Pro-NATO military coup failed after a few hours. The rebels immediately closed the straits of Dardanelles for all ships to stop Russian ships traveling to and from Syria. The coup organizers wanted closer relations with NATO and Washington. Turks want closer relations with Russia, and no Washington. Turks want to survive and eat, and to stay warm in coming winter. They need Russia’s market and Russia’s gas for these. Everyone knows by now that any pro- Washington coup means war, foreign occupation, collapse of economy, misery and civilian deaths. Everyone talks about Ukraine as an example.
- Prime Minister of Turkey said that the country protecting the opposition leader Gulan, who is believed to be an organizer of the military coup, cannot be a friend of Turkey. Needless to say, he means the US. It’s a huge step for Turkey towards Russia and Eurasia and away from the West. It looks like Turkey has decided that non-West is winning in a standoff with the West, and that they are not really “Europeans” after all.
- The Mayor of Ankara: Russian jet was shot down by people loyal to the shadow government and by a follower of radical cleric Gulen to destroy Turkey’s relations with Russia,
- Erdogan demonstrate a miracle of political endurance. He is not Ukraine’s Yanukovich, who is hiding in Rostov. For those saying that military “wanted” to give more freedom to people and to politically solve the Kurds problem. The military coup was pro-Washington and pro-NATO and against Russia. It’s all we need to know. I don’t support Erdogan’s polices to keep many people in jails including the military officers and journalists, but he is good for Russia. A maidan in Turkey and Washington’s rule over Turkey would be truly devastating.
- At the very beginning of the coup the Western media and all of the so called military experts and analysts were in support of the coup. The White house was silent. The White house expressed support for Erdogan government via its tweeter only after it became obvious that the coup failed. Washington is a fair weather friend.
- After the coup failed, Donald Tusk came out angry and declared that now the EU will change its relations with Turkey. Oh, the irony! I can’t even comment on this here, it’s so profoundly deep.
Now, on the EU website he expresses support for “democratically elected” Erdogan, hehehe….
The entire EU government is in Mongolia now, trying to persuade Mongols that they are truly a European nation and that they should stand against undemocratic regimes of Russia and China. Mongols listen and nod politely, thinking: “these pale devils are up to no good.”
- For the future references, Russian internet is ablaze discussing how they would act if there is a coup against Putin: people would go on the streets in support of the president everywhere, demanding from FSB actions.
- Erdogan said that Turkey could not be ruled from Pennsylvania.
- Good relationships with Russia is the most important for Turkey now.
- Turkey’s prime minister just said that the Russia’s Turkish stream is very important for Turkey.
- Internet is full of images of Erdogan getting an Oskar for his stellar performance.
- Ukro media is crying out that Turkey is not a democracy and that Erdogan “has to go.”
- Turkish soldiers, arrested for the coup, say that they were told it was a drill; they didn’t know about a coup and wanted no part of it.
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#US #NATO #Incirlik Air Base in #Turkey is sealed & power cut off. Gov attempts to take control over the base pic.twitter.com/GtuMJ8H3RL
— Scott's Humor (@ScottsHumor) July 16, 2016
14. RIA Novosti, TASS and RT report that the coup members took control of the frigate Yavuz and kidnapped the commander of the Turkish NAVY
A group of supporters of the coup seized the frigate Yavuz on the main naval base of Turkey, Golcuk. In the hands of the rebels is also the commander of the Turkish Navy, according to Reuters referring to the Greek military source.
RIA Novosti writes that the plotters took control of the frigate Yavuz.
15. Eight military coup members landed in Greece in a Turkish military helicopter and have requested political asylum. Greece to Return Helicopter With Runaway Turkish Coup Supporters to Ankara
UPDATE
16. Russia and Turkey just confirmed their agreement to organize bilateral meeting of the countries leaders.
#Rusya ve #Türkiye liderleri en yakın zamanda ikili görüşmenin düzenlenmesi mutabakatını teyit ettiler. pic.twitter.com/urBn8AKgIz
— RusEmbTurkey (@RusEmbTurkey) July 17, 2016
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The info about the man involved with murdering the Russian pilot is in English at Sputnik:
Gulenist Involved in Killing of Russian Pilot Took Part in Attempted Coup
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160716/1043108695/turkey-coup-pilot-russia.html
That is just claims by Erdogan
The type of lie is as important as the truth.
No hard evidence. Just a convenient story so far.
Ankara Mayor: “We knew that he shot the Russian plane, but we kept it secret until now”. How’s that? Fairy tale for the gullible.
R
If it is true or not it seems to mean that the Turkish government want to reorienatead towards Russia and away from USA.
Turkish government will re-orient toward Osman Empire.
I read at the time that the son of a mayor – a membr of the Grey Wolves – was involved and that the actual order to down the plane was given by Davotoglu – the latter reported directly in the Turkish press.
Also, Russia Insider carried a piece which argued – pretty convincingly – that the technical means (specifically establishing co-ordinates/timing ) could only have been organized by NATO.
None of which denies Gulen influnce/involvement – he certainly appears to be a CIA asset.
Thanks Scott for the Sitrep and clarifying where the coup support was for – NATO (or USA). I had an inckling that might be the case.
Isn’t it interesting it happened while Kerry was in Moscow trying to get their way with Russia in Syria – hmm. Timing is everything. Though the talks failed as the coup did.
I didn’t know they had closed off ships from Russia to Syria. Also point (12) has backed up some thoughts I was having watching it unfold last night/this morning – the soldiers didn’t seem to be behaving like it was a coup – they all seemed young and not wanting to cause trouble and just sitting in tanks or standing around.
Erdogan is clamping down massivley though (taking advantage) – talk of introducing the death penalty; 2,500 judges suspended; Gulen already named etc. etc. He will now tighten his hold.
On another point – Israel didn’t say anything either way…..
No they were taking a break from negotiations at the time and the russians had said we do hope the negotiations will resume the following evening…lol
are you saying Kerry was waiting to hear the results of the coup?
by the way, how did the talks ended?
I think if we ever find the missing nukes from a few years ago, they will be in Syria. Think about it – there has to be one helluva reason why the US will do apparently ANYTHING to keep ISIS in control of that part of Syria, with all of the underground tunnels. They have gone to GREAT LENGTHS to keep Russia and Syria out of there…why? Has anybody wondered why those US nukes that went missing were forgot about so quickly?
Aleppo, Syria would put them in good striking distance from Russia…and what a shock it would be, for them to have come from their ally Syria. It would be perfect. I say we need tome more research in this area.
Access to Turkish US air base Incirlik blocked, power cut off – US Consulate
So, here is who pulls the strings:
http://politikus.ru/events/80656-kerri-sledite-ne-za-tem-chto-my-govorim-a-za-tem-chto-proizoydet.html
Kerry for days in Moscow…not a tourist trip obviously!
And what does it all mean to ISIL and Kurds?
To Kurds the choice is between plague and cholera.
To ISIL – military would cut their lifeline, Erdogan will continue to support them.
So was the coup failing a good thing or a bad thing? Yeesh, I thought getting rid of Daesh-supporting Erdoghan would be a good thing. So what’s the truth?
I don’t think he’s right about it being a pro-NATO coup. The mobs who stood up for Erdogan and who are attacking the soldiers are very Islamist.
The mobs are now torturing, whipping, slitting the throats and beheading soldiers.
Turks and Kurds call them AKP mobs.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CngScA4UMAE56Ip.jpg
Just elaborate on the message from Pyakin of July 11th.
Putin knew what is going on and warned Erdogan…
I tend to go with the theory the coup was to at least some extent directed from Washington. The statements from Obama supporting “the elected government” strikes me as exactly the kind of mealy-mouth response one could expect from someone deeply involved. James Woolsey, likewise told Fox News that the coup could be a “false flag”, staged by Erdogan to consolidate power. It hardly need to be repeated that when officials speak, they are acting by influencing opinion, not saying how things are, but how they fit in a ever changing official narrative. Finally there’s the braggadocio of the tie-eater: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/saakashvili-coup-in-turkey-ended-badly.html
I have two reflections. One is that it was mostly people in the turkish air force that was behind the coup attempt, not much from the rest of the military. That makes me think of the downing of the russian jet, and all the confusion about “who gave the order”. I suppose it was the same guys that now tried the coup card.
Second reflection is about how many of the “coup” soldiers say they were under the impression that it was just military drill in the cities. The last few years there has been more and more military drills right in populated areas, especially in USA. And the reason is maybe just this: that by letting soldiers getting used to city drills, when a coup is planned, they can get more military personal to be involved by saying it is a city drill.
Tegularius
I think these are very good and logical considerations, thanks.
Tegalarius: yes it was the air force (it is well known that an air force does not a war or coup win, however) and the details of the coup were being handled by military intelligence perhaps the guy who was sacked by Erdogon last week) which is why MIT was out of the loop for awhile at least.
So now we see the night of the long knives being played out on the Turkish judiciary, a typically conservative force despite screams about Gulen this and Gulen that. The Kurds are next and then Erdogan’s Islamist agenda in Universities, schools etc. And do not expect him to ease off pressure on Syria-not really. Maybe he will drop support of Isis as price for his continued survival.
Don’t be fooled–he is not all of a sudden a good guy vs a vs Russia. It is more like “any port in a storm” mentality. Perhaps Russian intelligence tipped him off and thus he owes, he owes?
I think you are right and that if he plays his cards right with Putin, he may be able to get close enough to Putin in order to have pull enough with him to get Putin to convince Assad to leave Syria peaceably so that both he and Putin can salvage what’s left of value in Syria and maybe even a good portion of the Middle East. Erdogan seems to have warmer relations now with Saudi Arabia, also an ISIS supporter, and with Putin’s help, perhaps even have closer ties to Iran. He may have to drop supporting ISIS, as I believe his ex-Prime Minister Davutoglu had been allowing ISIS to sell their stolen oil to them, to Erdogan’s son, but I think Erdogan believes it is best to be anti-ISIS and pro-Russian in order for his continual survival.
Political scientist Asad Abu Khalil thinks Saudi Arabia is behind the coup attempt.
The link to point 1 says President Putin has instructed evacuation of Russians in Turkey.
Thank You
Thanks
The link is fixed.
Very important news that the rebels closed the straits of the Dardanelles. Once there was a time in the West that such information would be headlines on all the news channels.The fact that I find reported only on the Saker blog says volumes about the “free press” of the West today.
Can you imagine the conversations going on at Langley today?!! This botched coup can completely pull the rug out from the crazed neocon attack on Russia through Syria.
I would like to ask Scott his opinion on how this will affect ISIS and “the moderate terrorists”? (since Turkey has been the conduit for aid to both coming from NATO and the Saudis).
Second question, how will this affect NATO itself? Will Turkey remain in NATO?
Third question, how long before another tidal wave of refugees heads towards the EU?
Excellent summary of the situation! My first instincts were that this was US backed. They never stop.
Access to Turkish US air base Incirlik blocked, power cut off – Consulate
I daresay that NATO is beginning to unravel. Mr. Kerry is probably planning another trip to Moscow and President Assad is wondering – what the hell is going on-. This actually can become a favorable harbinger to the Syrian Crises. Its interesting that Erdogan is in the process of sacking the judiciary. NATO types like the legality of ‘things’ . I wonder what kind of ‘reality’ was discussed between Mr. Lavrov and his Turkish counterpart, probably something like 50 percent of Turkey’s gas comes from Russia and Iran after all General Winter can be harsh at times .Patience will tell us how involved the promoters of Democracy and Human Rights – you know the guys – are involved in this latest Coup D’état.
A very notable thing in the timing of this is that if it was a FF by Erdogan (a drill gone live, etc.), then he picked a helluva poor time because his new sidekick was in the position since only about 1 month, altho stories say he has been a close friend of Erdo for 2 decades.
So Erdo would need absolute trust that he’d get the script right, because even in a planned fail FF, ten thousand things can go wrong & result in a real coup.
I doubt Erdo was even away at that resort, or that he was airborne at one point & requested asylum from that hideous evil panzerfrau.
Recall that entire failed ‘Twitter revolution’ against Iran just in 2009, almost every one of those faked Twitter messaged events never happened.
The 1 real hangover event standing out now is Incirlic without power–if we ever find out that not only is it off from some key commands shutting down the likely 2 redundant substations feeding power to it, but that perhaps some key infrastructure to deliver that power is ‘disabled’ in some way such that restoring power would take days of intense rebuilding & work, then…
Here’s my analysis of the latest events:
http://katehon.com/article/post-coup-turkey-will-be-distinctly-eurasian
In short, it was a pro-US coup attempt desperately launched in a last-ditch effort to sabotage the game-changing Russian-Turkish detente. Expect more Hybrid War as the US strategically retreats from its decades-long special relationship with Turkey and seeks to leave a trail of geopolitical “scorched earth” in its wake:
http://orientalreview.org/press-release/
Hi Andrew,
Good to see you here. It has been a while. Thanks for your article. Yes the turn towards Eurasia has been happening recently with Erdogan reaching out to Russia – followed by Airport attack (just after this reconciliation was announced) and now failed coup. I think Erdogan is taking advantage to “clean house”.
I see Kerry has already made a comment about Gulen (who was among the many who funded Hillary’s campaign):
“We fully anticipate that there will be questions raised about Mr Gulen, and obviously we invite the government of Turkey to present us with any legitimate evidence that withstands scrutiny and the United States will accept that and look at it and make judgments appropriately and I am confident there will be some discussion about that”.
Says it all……
25 degree turn, or less
R
Puts the US in a quandary. They like their nuke base at Incirlik and would love to give up Gulen, but then he’d squeal about all their dirty deals.
If the US gives up Mr. Gulen, Mr. Gulen will be forced (literally) to give up Mr. Obama to Mr. Erdogan. Goodbye Incirlik and Adana. Hard cheese on the US! If the US doesn’t give up Mr. Gulen, goodbye Incirlik and Adana. More hard cheese on the US. Surely Mr. Gulen will have a fatal heart attack prior to any US decision on the matter.
I agree that the potential detente’ was probably the motivating factor for these bumbling plotters. More specifically, I feel the recent acquiescence by Turkey to allow Obama to step up his arming of the Kurds and shun Al Nusra really upset some officers. Apparently, the Kurds are not liked by fractions within the Turkish military.
This is all about the ‘détente’. Some commentators are speculating that this may be a False Flag event , I don’t think so. Erdogan would not mention Pennsylvania as being part of this Coup without reason . This statement clearly separates the two nations and the Incirlic situation only amplifies the message.
Saakashvili belives the opposite
“Saakashvili: Coup in Turkey Ended Badly for the Rebels and Putin”
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/saakashvili-coup-in-turkey-ended-badly.html
NATO failed coup in Turkey.
the rats are angry…
1- they are angry because their sponsored coup FAILED
2-because they are afraid people may understand WHO sponsored the coup, they try -as usually- to direct the responsibility to president Putin
3-Erdogan understood where the coup came from, and not US or Merkel or EU will convince him of the contrary
4- and NATURALLY US-EU – being exceptional hypocrites- are on the side of democratically elected presidents…..but NOT in Ukraine!!!
5- there is now a new tendency to depict President Putin -not as aggressor, because it did not work- but as terrorist
Russian intelligence must have found out something and told Erdogan
Kerry, on one side is ready to sign PAX-RUSSIAN, on the other is prepared to stab Putin in the back….classical Godfather movie!
Did indeed Russian intelegence know?
They just opened turist season to Turkey and even an airplane to Istanbul with Russian turists had to turn back in the air.
Perfect !
Not that it matters much, but Shitsvili’s only explicit “contribution” to the contents at the above link is this absolutely void and doltish pronunciamento:
“We spent a sleepless night, but from the beginning of the coup I was told that it will end badly for Putin and the military, and good for democracy and our allies in Turkey”.
The only ‘slightly’ interesting thing I can think of is whether he spent that night chewing on ties for good measure. By contrast, the comment section below the article tells you all you need to know about the offal.
Legend has it his ‘diet’ now includes used CIA underpants – for the roughage, doncha know…
Unless of course there has scheming with ukraine and their methods…..scurge of anyone they believe opposes them incl so many judges, use of street thugs to control, assault, target anyone they believe who opposes Ergo, jet fightes that did not shoot down his jet, Erdo just escaping in time from asaults on his holiday home seems very co-incidental, I am still too sceptical and cynical about many things and events, some bits seem so fortuitous, PM office bombed in parliament building but also he was on holiday…..eg as part of rapprochement with rus are they going to separate from last few months of partnership with ukr and support for medglis and criminal tartars in Kherson?
first signs?
“Turkey halts US-led strikes on ISIS from southern air base”
More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/888780
and from Moon of Alabama:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/07/coup-against-wannabe-sultan-failed.html
3:41 AM – 16 Jul 2016 Putintintin @putintintin1 (https://twitter.com/putintintin1/status/754264742676561920)
“Turkey jets which bombed #Ankara refilled from fuel tankers took off from Incirlik airbase!!”
5:35 AM – 16 Jul 2016 Reuters World @ReutersWorld (https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/754293269614460928)
“Turkish PM: Any country that stands by cleric Gulen will be at war with Turkey reut.rs/29KtlNW pic.twitter.com/VJcTrtVi6M”
That is a direct Erdogan threat to the U.S. where Gülen lives.
If true about the Incirlik connection, this could be quite incriminating for the americans. There is a lot of evidence they organised and essentially ran the attack on the Russian Su-24, including using an american awacs aircraft to guide the attacking aircraft. The top level coup plotters appear to be Turkish af personnel, another american connection perhaps? And also to those involved in the Su-24 attack?
I’m going to speculate this coup was orchestrated by neocons in the usa (under israeli/zionazi orders, of course), using their quislings in Turkey. It has that amateur stink that neocon ops invariably emanate. I think also the Turks got wind of it beforehand and let it play out for their own reasons. This could explain the quick post coup roundup.
Is the basis for it being a pro-NATO coup only statements from the Erdogan government?
These salient facts are fundamental: Turkey supports the assault on Syria and, in doing that, supports Al Nusra, ISIS, and other lunatic fringe salafists. The Russian images and data on the ISIS oil highway for Turkish insider profit degrades and dismisses the Erdogan government and every one of it’s supporters. Any world leader coming to the support of Erdogan is simply affirming it’s support for Erdogan’s policies.
Ergogan’s protection from MIT and his other guardians is very weak. This should have been stopped. His post coup actions only reinforce the pre coup realities. 2500 judges are dismissed today! That was already in the pipeline. More businesses will be siezed by the AKP criminals and this time it will go beyond media outlets. AKP will, in triumph and desperation, begin a looting operation. That will be supported by the plurality of Turkish voters from AKP who endorse Erdogan blindly. Most regrettably, Turkey is finished in any imaginable scenario
The RT link in English,
https://www.rt.com/news/351611-turkey-us-friend-coup/
Don’ t know if I am right or wrong or maybe…..who benefits=Erdogan…2400 judges sacked, “alledged” dodgy treasonable army military brought to the fore after being identified-probably-(and Erdo has complete leadership control of military),arrested disposed of with no hope of fair trial, calls for death sentance for anyone perhaps who could be identified as a threat,suspicion is more than enough, populus whipped up into hysteria , or fervour ready for next alleged terrorist or protesting group whether is internal or external invcl. people suffring, Kurds or other ethnic groups, ex “buddy” Gulen who might have the goods against Ergo neutralised, military firmly under control ready for further actions against SAA possible after failure? of Kerry VP talks although some might believe progress has been made with regard to Turkey-Rus talks not supporting daesh or the others too much more…..German politicians permitted to visit airbase now or their aeroplanes are now justified to be kept there in case of further events???
Usa and Turkish military relationships behind the scenes are much more important than never get access to EU, witheld refugee money, failing eu, just like usa Poland relationships
are new axis for nato ukraine portal.Eu is being leapfrogged?
Sounds just as crazy as ukraine? Such as Minsk must proceed but no way pal for example.
I welcome further enlightenment, so I am bit contrary to the above Scott………?!!!!!!!!
It certainly raises questions over the prevention of German brass visiting Incirlik a few days ago….
I’m not so sure, Scott. The way Erdogan was all ready to round up his “enemies” after the coup failed made me think it might have been a false flag orchestrated by Mr Mustache himself.
I agree with you. Also, this coup seemed to be executed like a drill or a fake coup. If the USA and NATO were involved, believe me, it would not have ended in a mere few hours. I think Erdogan staged this as an excuse for a purge.
Turkey’s Incirlik Airbase Left Without Electricity – Reports
http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160716/1043122301/incirlik-electricity-turkey.html
Routine precaution or an indication of a major change coming in Turk-US relations. Also to look for is changes in the relations between Turkey and israel.
” but he is good for Russia. A maidan in Turkey and Washington’s rule over Turkey would be truly devastating.”
-I have a hard time seeing that, he shot down a Russian plane, he supports terrorists in Syria and in Ukraine, and trains Ukrainian wahhabi militias, after he shot down the Russian plane he ran directly to NATO. His government seems to be very pro-NATO and certainly not good for Russia.
Yes, it would be helpful to know the reasoning behind “Erdogan is good for Russia” after everything he’s done like Anonymous at 3:07 describes. He has shown himself as an unreliable, double-faced “partner”.
Thanks for the report, Scott. I was reading your commends on the other thread but it is good to get it all posted in a single report. Your information has helped clarify – at least for this simple observer – the events of the last 24 hours.
I believe the coup was a false flag, the goal of which was to give Erdogon a new chance after screwning up so badly, make him the hero of Turkey, allow him to increase his own power, allow him to purge his secular enemies in the army not to mention he can blame all the troubles Turk has had on this “mysterious coup group” that forced him to do all the bad things he did.
I believe the only thing that indicates anything positive is the fact that he seems to blame the coup on USA, the good thing with that is that it shows that Erdogan might want oriented towards Russia.
I was actually hoping for a military coup, if tends to happen in Turkey when the government becomes too islamists, so it seems about right for it too happen now.. But this seems like a very weird coup.. The first thing you do in a coup is to seize the leaders of the country and the media and shutdown internet, instead the coup people allows the president and PM to run free, make statements on media about how the people should resist the coup for “democracy” and twitter was untouched allowing chords of pro-Erdogan islamist or organize in the streets… Not to mention that many soldiers apparently didn’t even know it was a coup they thought it was a drill..
And what is the end result? As I said, now Erdogan is a hero, he will seize even more power and purge his enemies everywhere not to mention he can blame all his wrong doings on this “mysterious coup group”
KISS…
Just look at the timing… hit the wires at exactly 4:00 pm at the close of the week for US markets, giving them a full weekend to calm things down (CIA planned).
Agreed…how symbolic too , Erdo cannot even have a holiday safely, aahh, yet was not threatened personally in any way at his holiday home cos surely any sefious coup would have known where he was surely(shades of Gorbachov in Crimea anyone?) and helicopter shooting at parliament building symbolically too, was there anyone inside at all, not methinks, no reports of injured persons from inside the building or photos of bodies galore, it was just a symbolic gesture, and as ,I said on open thread , could cia have orchestrated this to have a bash at state dept usa for “harbouring a terrorist” Gulen(and usa having to rid of a potential embaressment against Erdo is now much much more easy) now under death threat sentance if Ergo gets his way, and btw which judge of any remaining is gonna argue against Ergo, even if there any reporters not in prison which of them is going to risk reporting any injustices?????l Ergo is now total provider of evidence, judge and exevutioner , do not mess with him, shutting Bosphorous could be a message to Putin to say see what I can do any time never mind with the straights treaty and if they are shut the nato exercise fleet cannot then get out from the Black Sea ah ha……
The entire ‘coup’ episode seems to be unrealistic.
It appears the ‘coup leaders’ (with possible support from CIA-backed Gullen) have been lured into believing that they can siege power from Erdoghan through a coup – while they walked into the stage for a ‘long stint of power’ the curtain fell down.
Interesting article re: Turkish coup
http://russia-insider.com/en/strange-kind-coup/ri15655
Very suspicious coup almost like it was a set up coup in order to purge the lower ranks of the army. If it were a CIA organized coup, it would have been better executed with much more support. First of all, Erdogan who was on vacation would have been “neutralized”. That it was not done first off ( remember Allende) is very telling. Seizing airports, government buildings, closing the borders including the Bosporus is rather standard first steps in coup making 101 so to read anything sinister into that is rather silly. The second very suspicious thing was that there was no clear announced leadership of the coup for disparate elements to coalesce around. Who was in charge? No Turkish Pinochet? why not? what happened?
Re: Gulen –Erdogan rants and raves as the Islamist that he is against Gulen. It is his “trotsky”, his whipping boy, his bete noir. Big yawn. As for CIA/USA: they ( the elites of Turkey) all have their hands in that honey pot almost like both the Democrats and Republicans in the USA receive money from the 1 percent and answer to it and dance to its tune.
Qui bono? Only Erdogan benefit holding on to his agenda which has not changed one bit for himself, his family and his idea of Islam ( which is retrograde to the max).
Stay strong Russia and on guard.
How somebody can see this outcome as positive is a miracle to me.
The tension between Putin and Erdogan was a good think since this
meant that couse of this the russians did for once the right thing and
fought islamists.
With everything good again between Putin and Erdogan we can only
wait for more Isis to kill christians and russians looking the other way.
Through the massiv influx to europe its just a question of time until
the ottoman-arab ISIS starts killing the european christians as well.
And dont think the Big Money antichrists off so called goods own
country will have a problem with this as well.
So Christians are betrayed from both sides…
Just like the Russians in WW2 look the other way while the nazis killed
the people off europe and just engaged when the nazi attacked the russians.
Is they closed the strait .. would that not be a braking off the montreaux peace
treaty and gave the option to take constantinople from the turks?
A once more lost opportunity….
Kotromanic
When I heard about the coup I simply thought:
“Once a dictator comes to lose clarity of mind, gets his feet off ground, normally it is the military who change their minds from obedience to the Leader to loyalty for the motherland itself and enact a coup (Putsch). They may do this much too late, as it was with Hitler, or a bit sooner to avoid circumstances as under Hitler in 1944 and this was the case with ERdogan.”
Now the putsch has failed, see, Erdogan does exactly the same as Hitler did: he says the putschists have been only a small clique and enacts a big and probably bloody purge amid his army and his officials.
I think the putsch was genuine but all too badly planned, so there must really have been an autonomous “clique” who enacted it. Secret services would have done a “better” job, so I dont think CIA or NATO based services behind it.
I rather think that the Western secret services helped the putsch fail. They need Erdogan… to let those ominous trucks thru to Syria… something a military junta perhaps would not allow anymore. No matter of Erdogans negotiations with Russia. This man speaks with a forked tongue, and he performs double diplomacy. Once for Russia, then again for the West, but always for money.
Erdogan is an islamist who backs the likes of AQ and ISIS but thinks of himself first and foremost. Also I am thinking he is a very smart cookie. Any regime change opperation would come from the US not Russia. Any US involvment in this is just Erdogan drawing them out into the open.
He will try and play Russia/US ect but in the end he would like to be the caliph/sultan.
Peter,
Your reasoning regarding Erdogan resonates very well with my own. Erdogan is a cynical opportunist with an all but infallible political instinct knowing only too well that his ‘enlightened’ Western colleagues are just as rotten ripe, only with much more blood, filth, sleaze, corruption, and squalor to show for them. Erdogan understands — as did Hitler 80 years ago — that Russia is the real enemy that haunts the West; not ISIS, not Saudi Arabia, or political Islam generally. To Erdogan, the pathetic invertebrates in the EU must be great fun to watch as they practice their ‘European values’, not least the imbeciles who pretend to be ‘ruling’ Greece and Bulgaria; two erstwhile Ottoman provinces.
Taking a look at the bigger picture: EU and the US are criminal entities that are being run by pure offal. From their point of view, it’s obvious that Erdogan (friend) and Putin (foe) both understand what it takes to earn “healthy respect” from this kind of specimina. Putin, being their arch-enemy, of course has to be far stronger when dealing with them as compared to what suffices for an associated gangster such as Erdogan.
Incirlik airbase was providing the air cover for the Kurds who were starting to close off the Syria Turkish border. This is Erdogan kicking the US out of Turkey, not a US coup. Eadogan is a prick, but he is no vassal. Be interesting to see how long he can stay alive.
One way of staying alive is aligning with Eurasia, working with Putin and getting back to growing his economy that he sent off its rails with his Islamic empire building.
He would have his back covered (and may have gotten Intel from the SVR and GRU via a whisper from Putin).
Russia’s Intel services could protect him if he is a straight player. If he chooses to dick around with the pipeline, with Syria, with playing US against Russia, he will eventually hang himself.
You can’t play the middle between giants.
Now the US will be determined to overthrow him no matter how he maneuvers.
He needs a trustworthy ally. None better than Russia.
I do not want to argue your view, just one thing – the “giants”. There are no small, read less valuable and big, read more valuable countries and nations, just like there are no apriory less and more valuable people. The “giants” must learn this, otherwise they are doomed to turn to dwarves themselves.
R
Beg to differ. There are indeed less valuable countries and peoples in this world. What do we make of Priest-ridden Poland, Banderastan, and the Brown And Little Tiny Insect CountrieS, for instance? What on Earth do they contribute for the Greater Good of humanity? CIA torture dungeons?
Should we erase them then? If you promote such ideology, you might find yourselves at the receiving end of it.
R
What you said makes common sense….
From Scott: “I don’t support Erdogan’s polices to keep many people in jails including the military officers and journalists, but he is good for Russia.”
I have a feeling that amongst Putin’s many gifts, one of his strongest, is to bring people to more reasonable and acceptable insights — mostly backed by on the ground floor practical examples of leadership — in other words: what has proves workable in practice. In that way, hard core leaders change their brutal stance and in doing so, their people begin to reap the benefits of such changes and approve — even if cautiously so initially. That is the moment their leader realizes that he does not have to rule with a rod of iron to stay in power and it changes him for the better as he becomes a more caring and people oriented leader. Whether Erdogan could ever become such a leader, one doesn’t know — but Erdogan already knows that the writing is on the wall and he has already taken the first steps towards change, maybe selfishly so, but hard lessons wait if he does not become more of a peoples leader. (My opinion)
Anyway, that’s what I hope.. Putin once said and not quoted verbatim, something to the effect, that he often has to work with leaders he does not particularly like, but doors have to remain open and the hope is always there that people can and will change for the better and that many times they do — that there are genuine avenues to pursue to bring insights to people, which result in positive changes. Better to lead by example than precept.
Yes, thank you, Marlene, this is excellent. It’s a point that is difficult to put into words. But the fact is that one accords with those one associates with. There are effects from relationships. People change, especially when the way they have to act changes.
I hope Erdogan shows mercy to the innocent and gullible in his retribution. Right now I’d be willing to bet a good 50/50 that he will. And much of this, from the influence of the company he now keeps, as well as the sheer security that comes from these seedling relationships with Russia and China (and soon, Iran and Syria).
I wonder if the time will come when we see that Erdogan finally saw that his relationship with the west spelled the dissolution and ultimate asset-stripping of Turkey, and that he acted decisively to shift its alliance to the East, and thus saved his country. It’s hard to hate a man who saves his country. That’s a Kemalist trait right there, and the Turks know how to be grateful for strong leadership that keeps the nation intact and strong, and the wolves at bay.
Erdogan softens as the Turkish world becomes more prosperous and allied with other strong partners? Yes, of course, how could it not be so?
Thanks for comprehending what I tried to express. So much hinges on Erdogan reforming for the better, as Turkey is much like a tinder box right now, ready to explode into anarchy at the drop of a hat. However, if Putin can bring his deep sense of humanity to Erdogan — awaken it in him, Erdogan will move to become a more politically mature leader, all to the benefit of Turkey and her people. One can only hope for such a change, because if Turkey plays straight with Russia, it would immediately diffuse tensions in the ME and set Putin’s plan for peace in motion with much more hope of it coming to fruition. Very complex as this many fronted situation is, still, as impossible as it may seem, peace can come and will happen, simply because Putin won’t give up, until it does.
Someone posted the truth of what happened. Just read these links if you want the truth in a nutshell:
http://katehon.com/agenda/pro-american-coup-turkey
http://katehon.com/article/gullen-influenced-coup
http://katehon.com/article/post-coup-turkey-will-be-distinctly-eurasian
note this was published before the coup attempt
http://katehon.com/news/alexander-dugin-gave-press-conference-ankara
This is longer but contains the big picture
http://katehon.com/1264-bestia-devictus-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization-eurasianism-and-the-end-of-liberalism.html
from your korybko link article.
Not only that, but Turkey are Russia are also back on track for reimplementing the Balkan Stream megaproject, which when paired with China’s complementary Balkan Silk Road high-speed rail project from Budapest to Piraeus, is perhaps the most ambitious multipolar outreach to Europe that has ever been attempted.
http://english.cntv.cn/2015/11/25/VIDE1448405041167225.shtml
SUZHOU, Jiangsu, Nov. 24 (Xinhua) — China signed separate deals with Hungary and Serbia to construct and revamp a rail link between the Serbian and Hungarian capitals on Tuesday.
Details of the two deals, made on the sidelines of an annual summit meeting between Chinese and Central and Eastern European (CEE) leaders, were not immediately available, but Chinese Premier Li Keqiang pledged earlier in the day that construction of the railway would be underway by the end of this year and be finished within two years.
Earlier reports said the high-speed rail link could cut travel time between Budapest and Belgrade by more than half.
capital-to-capital rail link old, decrepit to be rebuilt:
http://hungarytoday.hu/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/eu_vasuthalozat_online.jpg
Barbara — thank you for recommending KATEHON — you are right what deeply thought provoking articles and essays await one there! Like global team building on one site! Thanks again — I got so excited to thank you, that I posted the comment without completing my name etc …
IMHO The coup was well-orchestrated, but almost impossible to pull off after failing to apprehend Erdogan. Erdogan’s Facetime probably saved him by rallying the public. As soon as I saw the footage of people in the street I knew it was probably over and done.
The fact is that Erdogan has wide support in the country, and Turkey has a very strong nationalistic spirit. They managed to successfully defend themselves from Western domination, and that spirit was rekindled.
As for what’s next? I have no idea. I believe this could be a watershed event for Turk/Rus relations, and could be absolutely devastating for USA interests(I’m American btw). Erdog is a snake, but he’s proven himself to be a deft and very clever villain that’s been underestimated numerous times. Putin will have to weigh the cost/benefits and outline terms accordingly
I fear that Washington might authorize war on Turkey in a desperate attempt to restore its foothold, which has potential WW3 implications. Does USA have any contacts left? Many probably got purged or executed today, regardless..
What’s going to happen with Icirik airbase?
I cannot believe nato will war on its biggest partner turkey.
Yes it could become pretty grave — check out Sputnik:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043173747/turkey-washington-obama-kerry-erdogan.html
With regard to what you said about Incirlik, read both comments made on Sputnik side, made by ‘support’ — it makes the blood run cold.
another event mere 2 days before this ‘coup’ is this, a diplomatic one.
we all know on whose side S.A. is & has been since 1944.
The Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, Adel al-Jubeir, said that Turkey knows very well that it is incapable of betraying the Syrian opposition with such ease, questioning the sudden and unexpected shift of attitude adopted recently by the Turkish Prime Minister.
“He [Turkish PM] is aware that Turkey is vulnerable to be divided by the Kurds; making such a fatal mistake will probably lead Turkey to collapse”.
sounds like a clear hint of a threat, maybe even fightin’ words:
http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/06/Turkey-Erdogan_Horo-195×110.jpg
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/saudi-fm-threatens-turkey-policy-shift-toward-syria/
Thanks
It’s a very important point and a clear threat, coming from the US via Israel. Kurds are being manipulated by the US into believing in Santa Claus Just like in 19th century they were fooled by the British to stay in Turkey instead of joining the Russian Empire. Some people just never learn.
Some information that Russia’s military intelligence knew about the upcoming coup and alerted Erdogan, and that he managed to place officers loyal to him into the rebels groups.
I trust Putin to find the way to work with Turkey to diffuse tensions with Kurds.
The most important for Erdogan now to show restraint and leniency of prosecuting and punishing the rebels. They all have families, and to pardon people would be much more beneficial for Turkish society.
I’m sorry Scott, but I disagree in framing this as a pro-NATO or anti-NATO affair, as turkey will forever be NATO. I don’t think turkey can survive without Nato, as it is surrounded by enemies including nato Greece and the Balkans. This is an islamist (brotherhood and salafi) vs anti-islamist affair. It is true that turkey may improve its relationship with Russia but it will never abandon Nato regardless of who rules it. The couple could have been proded from behind the scenes by Erdogan to get rid of dissenting elements in the military. Time will tell us everything.
yes, maybe you are right. but, NATO maybe wants Turkey out? you see, there are only Isis/Nusra between USA an Russia right now. and they are disappearing and losing slowly on battlefields in Syria. Russia and USA are on collision path in Syria. none of them can afford to lose this conflict. nor Russia nor USA. somebody has to pay heavy price to reach “peace” agreement between Russia and USA. there is no other way to avoid direct confrontation. i think US is trying to sacrifice Turkey to get out from direct confrontation with Russia. actually, US is in panic searching for country to sacrifice, from Baltic to M.E. there is definitely no honest exit from Syria for United States of America. they fuc**d up this time.
i hope that this year will have all 12 months.
While it is true that Turkey is surrounded by historically hostile populations, that is of very little concern to Turkey’s ruling circles. If NATO and Turkey parted, that wouldn’t by itself trigger any aggressions from whatever anti-Turkish political movements there might be in Greece and the Balkans. If, however, Turkey were to be caught up in serious revolutionary turmoil threatening to team up with Eurasia, then NATO will instantly be at war with it. And then, yes, Zionazi fifefdoms such as Albania, Bulgaria, and Greece won’t hesitate to partake in some juicy land-grabbing.
This ‘coup’ is organised by Erdogan in order to eliminate oponents and take firmer control grip over Turkey. As simple as that.
Remember also that the US began removing the families of servicemen at Incirlik and their diplomats three months ago. Which illustrates that they probably knew something was coming. Whether or not they informed Erdogan why they were leaving is another matter altogether. Not definitive proof, but certainly serendipitous timing.
Squeezed into a tiny gap between Nice and the Turkey coup was the surprise release of the missing 28 pages on Saudi from the 9/11 report.
Someone has an incredible feel for bad news…
Turkish Labor Minister Süleyman Soylu claimed that Washington is behind the attempted coup in Turkey.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160716/1043134590/turkey-minister-us.html
Warrants against over 2700 judges and lawyers a few hours after the end of the coup…..it looks like a “Reichstagsbrand” to me. Perhaps Erdogans people didn’t stage this themselves, but they saw it coming……an decided to let it happen. I don’t have much proof for that but:
https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2016/07/16/what-actually-happened/
I mean the heavily armed police…hours before it all began…..
From the millennium report:
http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/07/turkey-coup-heres-why-they-did-it-and-who-the-real-plotters-are/#more-32011
And LO!, it only took 4 months for this to pass.
Will There Be a Coup Against Erdogan in Turkey?
By Michael Rubin On 3/24/16 at 7:21 AM
So if the Turkish military moves to oust Erdogan and place his inner circle behind bars, could they get away with it?
Neither the Republican nor Democratic front-runners would put U.S. prestige on the line to seek a return to the status quo ante. They might offer lip service against a coup, but they would work with the new regime.
Erdoğan might hope friends would rally to his side, but most of his friends—both internationally and inside Turkey—are attracted to his power. Once out of his palace, he may find himself very much alone, a shriveled and confused figure like Saddam Hussein at his own trial.
http://www.newsweek.com/will-there-be-coup-against-erdogan-turkey-439181
Looking a little too obvious now how this was planned & timelined at least 4-6 months ago.
Mere 2 days after the Newsspeak article in march, we got this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-29/state-department-and-dod-order-hundreds-military-families-evacuate-turkey
things start to get interesting…
“Turkish Minister Blames US Authorities for Organizing Coup Attempt”
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160716/1043134590/turkey-minister-us.html
I just can`t shake the feeling that the Turkish army rebels were drawn into a carefully prepared trap by Erdogan. He got the intelligence about the coup earlier, decided it will be more valuable to him to let the coup happen(so it doesn`t look like another purge or witch hunt) in strictly controlled conditions so he could profit much, much more. Turkish media also reported that they shot down a hellicopter full of coup leaders( which may be propaganda) but if it is true it means they were tipped off. It is also likely that the putschists were swindled by other officers(who were flipped by MIT) whom they counted for support.
Forgot to write in prev comment:
Or were prodding them into coup(either as agent provocateur or out of pure self gain, or belief in the “cause”), promising them support and than hanging them out to dry or simply failing to do so. Or army officers simply decided to sit it out on the sidelines and see which side gets the upper hand and then join them…
So now Erdogan, who helped with starting hybrid war in Syria, became enemy of the West and he is in the same position as Asad, and he can only call for help Russia. Karma is a bitch. :)
Putin warned that those responsible for the downing of the Su24 in Syria and the subsequent murder of Russian servicemen would be called to account and punished. Never forget Erdogan’s position in this. Ultimately he was the President of Turkey’s government. He must be recognised as bearing responsibility (remember he could have moved to arrest and punish the perpetrators, but instead acted in quite a different manner). He is not trustworthy. His future is not secure.
So Erdogan moved to “bury the hatchet” with Russia recently. He did that out of the realisation that the Turkish economy was going down the toilet- economic destabilisation was beginning to take its toll. His grip on power is not as secure as appearances might suggest. Turkish society has been starting to disintegrate and there was (and remains) a real chance of sectarianism and civil war hostilities. Fact is, Erdogan has not changed. He is as he was, if now a little more desperate than before. He is not a friend of Russia or anyone else, save for himself.
Russia has a tremendous opportunity here, as does Syria, the Kurds, the Albanians and the Greeks. Putin likely will hold his nose and continue a dialogue with Erdogan for a while. The future for Erdogan is not bright. It is likely he’ll end up assassinated or executed. Nor is the future for Turkey bright. Expect unrest and violence. There could be a break-up of that country.
Should Mr Trump be elected he now has confirmation of his bias in regards to NATO and a very good reason to declare NATO terminated. After all, what with Turkey and all….
Siotu
I think the real reason is not in the headline–perhaps first ground war front evidence of Erdo following through with a few promises to putin of what he will do from his side after the dust settles from the coup.
Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:12
Syria: Turkey Evacuating Own Intelligence Officers from Aleppo Battlefield
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950426000672
TEHRAN (FNA)- Informed sources said that the Turkish intelligence agents, who have been training Nouralddeen al-Zinki terrorists in Northern Syria, have been ordered to leave the battlefields in Aleppo due to the Syrian government forces’ increasing advances and meantime lack of unity among militant groups.
“Suicide attacks of al-Nusra front and Nouralddeen al-Zinki on the government forces’ position to reopen Castillo supply line to Northern part of Aleppo city have thus far failed and the Syrian army forces’ advances in different battlefields in Northern Aleppo have continued,” the sources said.
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2016/07/16/1131417/iranian-turkish-fms-hold-3rd-phone-conversation-after-turkey-s-failed-coup
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif and his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu spoke by phone for the third time on Saturday to discuss the latest developments in the wake of a midnight, abortive military coup in Turkey.
In the conversation, Cavusoglu updated the top Iranian diplomat on the current situation in Turkey after the coup.
The US definition of “Democracy” is any government they control.
Democracy is impossible when what we the people believe to be true is controlled by a handful of powerful oligarchs. The methods used by the US Secret government are the same as the methods used by cults, only the shore stories are different.
Expectin wholesale changes in alliances.
Imo there is more to come. What does the world expect from artifically created states?
Especially from a artificial state that expects to regain lands that “belonged” to them that rightfully was somebody else’s for thousands of years before that.
This is lunacy.
The world should look at these artificially created states more closely and sort it out.
If Iran is talking on better terms with Turkey and this has been in the process then Turkey Iran Syria Iraq state would be lethal.
Thinking caps on as those four states don’t want a Kurdistan.
Think outside the square.
The Nice Attack: French intelligence failure or Zionist agenda?
1. Make the state of emergency permanent, empowering the oligarchic state and further demoralising citizens by dividing the working class along religious and racial lines. This is part of NATO’s ‘strategy of tension’ in accordance with the longstanding intelligence operation Gladio. Citizens must turn to the anti-social state for ‘security’, thus precluding social revolt.
2. Justify an all out attack on Syria to finish the job of destroying Arab civilisation, in accordance with Zionism’s geopolitical interests. Only the willfully ignorant could possibly believe that ISIS is an enemy of France when the French have never had better relations with the country which openly backs them – Saudi Arabia. The intelligence reports, declassified documents and admissions of the highest officials of the French and American governments all confirm that ISIS is Israel’s Arab legion.
Both those two above-mentioned goals serve Zionism and until the French people liberate themselves from its yoke, Zionism will continue to poison the minds of men, making them consent to policies that no honest and compassionate human being would countenance. An awakening of working-class militancy is occurring but the labour movement in France remains divided and led by social-democratic reformists. Now, more than ever, seeing the link between terrorism and class war is essential if any political and social change is to occur. In an era of high-finance treason, oligarchy, austerity, and the triumph of avarice, terror increasingly becomes a feature of the normal rather than an exceptional exercise of state power.
http://www.gearoidocolmain.org/en/nice-truck-attack-2016/
Plus, we read that that one french fry short of a McHappy Meal prez there was down to 10% popularity in the polls.
And how many examples of these scheming evil maniacs posing as ‘leaders’ can we find all throughout history who were willing to pull any stunt (so long as its no skin off their ass) to further enrich, entrench or glorify themselves?
It was a NATO/US/EU ‘coup’ and take a look at this(in french but in summary it says that all French consulates in Turkey will be closed for ”security” reasons)but attention.. 2 DAYS before the ‘coup’.
http://lci.tf1.fr/monde/europe/turquie-l-ambassade-de-france-et-le-consulat-fermes-jusqu-a-nouvel-8765870.html
How could they know that in advance there would be ‘security reason closing needed’??
This the final evidence that they knew everything.
And think about Kerry in Moscow the very same day….strange,maybe with an ultimatum??
The day before one more deadly attack in Nice and without knowing anything about the suspect,Hollande has tweeted and then spoke live on tv at 03.45 am:we will retaliate in Syria.
The Charles de Gaulle was already en route(back again) to the gulf zone(5 days ago).
Remember the US plan B for Syria is supposed to be implemented by august or sept(before the US election anyway)..
Tonight the US and Cacanada want the all Russian delegation(even the games for the handi in sept) out of the RIO games.
USADA Asks IOC to Suspend Russia From 2016 Olympic Games in Rio.
http://sputniknews.com/sport/20160716/1043135769/olympics-russia-usada.html
Thanks. Note that the above link cannot be accessed from united arab emirates… (censored)
The US very nervous tonight in full panic mode(gmt + 2):
Kerry Blasts Turkey for Insinuating that Washington Plotted Coup of Erdogan.(lol)
The United States expressed concern that their longtime NATO ally and critical regional partner believed that Washington would try to overthrow their government calling the claims “harmful to bilateral relations.”
US Secretary of State John Kerry told Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavosoglu on Saturday that public claims suggesting that American officials masterminded the failed coup attempt in Turkey were categorically false and were harmful to relations between the two longtime NATO allies.
Kerry urged Turkey to show restraint in the wake of the coup attempt and to follow the rule of law closely in its investigation into the plot, State Department spokesman John Kirby explained in a statement.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043140902/Kerry-erdogan-soylu-ankara-coup.html
FAA Bans All Flights Between US and Turkey Indefinitely
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043140643/faa-erdogan-obama-ankara-washington.html
All the western world sold out to the saudi killers and terrorists
UK May Vote to Reelect Saudi ‘Child Killers’ to UN Human Rights Council.
London may help Riyadh return to the UN Human Rights Council despite a troubling United Nations report linking the Saudi regime to hospital and schoolhouse bombings in Yemen.
The UK is likely to back Saudi Arabia’s re-appointment as a member of UN Human Rights Council, despite international outcry over Riyadh’s practice of beheading its citizens as a punishment for crimes and its bloody military operation in Yemen.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043140337/uk-reeelect-saudi-arabia-un-human-council.html
What a shame for us all to have such so called ‘elites’.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043140337/uk-reeelect-saudi-arabia-un-human-council.html
An interesting photograph of Obama and Erdogan,
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnc_OdNXYAA171c.jpg:large
How sweet! You don’t suppose… oh never mind. Reminds me of those pictures of Dubya strolling the grounds of Camp David hand in hand with Saudi royalty.
Reminder: this the same Brits documented in excruciating detail this UN report landed on Camoron’s desk just 1-2 months ago he said he’d “look at it” when he found some time!
BTW, under int’l laws, any sovereign head-of-state is immune to war crimes prosecution while in office, but that arrogant *hole actually called for & held that BrExit vote June 23 smugly believing his handlers had the fixed vote in the bag, promised to resign if it was YES!
So now he’s out—has anyone arrested him yet?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/20/britain-selling-saudi-arabia-arms-yemen-corbyn
There Saudi Arabia, a regime that fits the definition of “extremist” if the term has any serious meaning, is leading a brutal military operation in which UK-supplied aircraft, bombs and missiles are playing a major role. One side-effect of the chaos resulting from the Saudi campaign is that the local franchises of al-Qaida and Isis are now thriving as never before.
Finally got the real details of what the coup was about.
Australian media tells everything except what happened.
Thank you very much.
An emboldened Erdogan is not good for Russia, the Kurds, the Syrian or anybody. Erdogan is reactionary Islamist and will still be even if he “pivots” to Eurasia. Did you not expect a reaction to his pro ISIS politics, sacking of the judiciary, repression of the press, criminal actions against the Kurds, Gezi Park? Did you expect anything else than some kind of internal turmoil after the embarrassment the Turks went through when Putin disclosed the stealing of Syrian oil and the clandestine pipeline run by Erdogan’s associates?
Dear Scott,
From the first minutes of watching the coup unfold on television, I had many many unanswered questions according to my analysis and experience.
Things did not add up…..
In the first minutes I actually thought Mr. Erdogan ordered his troops to occupy certain locations in order to prevent an expected coup.
…..then I actually understood that a coup was taking place.
But I kept asking myself, how can this coup possibly be successful if a substantial part of the intelligence services (MIT), armed forces and police intelligence are with Erdogan ?
By the way, I believe Mid-level operatives within the MIT not under Erdogan, were working with the armed forces to setup this coup.
It was not logic to me that these “coup plotters” could possibly succeed because they were not as complete as in the past, a large part of the armed forces did not participate in the coup.
From a strategic military stand-point, the entire coup looked to me more like a suicide mission as it unfolded……
…….was it possible that these coup plotting military high ranking officers were so blind that they believed they would actually succeed, or did they get some reassurances or guarantee from outside?
These men were either blinded by arrogance and stupidity, taking a huge risk without properly studying the scenarios, or either thought that they had enough forces and overestimated their capabilities or they got their hopes up and were fooled by Western intelligence services.
What we have possibly witnessed is the last and ultimate failure of the US-NATO alliance to hold on to Turkey..
Never in my wildest dreams did I believe that a rapprochement could take place between Turks and Russians……now I am starting to believe.
Now we know the Turkish pilot who shot down the Russian plane was a NATO insider, possibly working against Erdogan……..what does this tell us ???
Where was this information, and why was it hidden ??
Was Erdogan forced to save face by going against Russia on the downing issue from the NATO backed Army and intelligence services working against Erdogan ??
Did Russian intelligence know that the people who brought down the plane were possibly not connected to Erdogan and were merely NATO henchmen working to destroy relations between Turkey and Russia ?
THISSSS IS HUGEEE (as Trump would say)
Are we possibly seeing the start of the breaking away of Islamic Turkey from the NATO Western alliance ?
As a Muslim, I pray that Turkey goes towards the truth and justice, and makes a rapprochement with Orthodox Russia and peacefully returns the Hagia Sophia to our Orthodox brothers….
…..and we Muslims know according to authentic prophecies of the Prophet of Islam that Constantinople will have its rightful name returned and that it will be freed from the Western-NATO Zionist alliance.
We pray that Turkey stays a strong and prosperous state that allies itself with Russia against the US-Zionist empire.
We pray that all US military bases and ICBMs are removed from Turkey……and we know as an absolute fact that Constantinople will survive any kind of coming nuclear war.
Correction: with ICBMs, I was referring to US nuclear forces in Turkey in any shape or form, I believe there are no more ICBMs within Turkey since the removal of the Jupiter missiles.
Dear Harry Red,
thank you for your kind words about us, the Orthodox Christians. I believe that the feeling of sympathy between Russian Christians and Muslims is mutual.
“was it possible that these coup plotting military high ranking officers were so blind that they believed they would actually succeed” ?
Yes, it’s possible. From the reports I have been reading military officers behind the coup believed to the intelligence provided to them by there American handlers. The US absolutely convinced itself that Turkish people won’t support Erdogan and instead will go out in support the military coup.
Four months ago, an article in newsweek confirms this:
Will There Be a Coup Against Erdogan in Turkey? – Newsweek,
by Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. A former Pentagon official,
http://www.newsweek.com/will-there-be-coup-against-erdogan-turkey-439181
“So if the Turkish military moves to oust Erdogan and place his inner circle behind bars, could they get away with it?”
“In the realm of analysis rather than advocacy, the answer is yes. At this point in election season, it is doubtful that the Obama administration would do more than castigate any coup leaders, especially if they immediately laid out a clear path to the restoration of democracy.”
“Nor would Erdogan engender the type of sympathy that Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi did. When Morsi was ousted, his commitment to democracy was still subject to debate.”
“That debate is now moot when it comes to the Turkish strongman. Neither the Republican nor Democratic front-runners would put U.S. prestige on the line to seek a return to the status quo ante. They might offer lip service against a coup, but they would work with the new regime.”
“Coup leaders might moot European and American human rights and civil society criticism and that of journalists by immediately freeing all detained journalists and academics and by returning seized newspapers and television stations to their rightful owners.”
“Turkey’s NATO membership is no deterrent to action: Neither Turkey nor Greece lost their NATO membership after previous coups. Should a new leadership engage sincerely with Turkey’s Kurds, Kurds might come onboard.”
“Neither European nor American public opinion would likely be sympathetic to the execution of Erdogan, his son and son-in-law, or key aides like Egemen Bağış and Cüneyd Zapsu, although they would accept a trial for corruption and long incarceration.”
“Erdoğan might hope friends would rally to his side, but most of his friends—both internationally and inside Turkey—are attracted to his power. Once out of his palace, he may find himself very much alone, a shriveled and confused figure like Saddam Hussein at his own trial.”
As you can see, this is the entire rational behind going on with a coup: if we, Americans, hate him and want him out, it means that Turks want the same.
However, when Erdogan called the people to come out in his supports, people just poured into the the streets.
I think that the last time people who actually believe American promises were the Western Galician Ukrainians.
“Never in my wildest dreams did I believe that a rapprochement could take place between Turks and Russians”
It’s a marriage of convenience rather than love, but this sort of marriages last forever. Just don’t rock the boat. In addition,Russian people and Turks are getting along just fine in everyday life.
It seems that it was the Russian military intelligence that warned Erdogan about the upcoming coup and helped Turkish national security to set up an operation. They let the putsch members to go on with their plans and caught them in the actions.
I think Turks are deeply offended that Americans had decided to depose of their leader like he was a piece of used tissue.
The reaction and actions of Turkish society to the coup gives hope to all of us that the neo-cons and neo-liberals will be stopped at their tracks now on.
It had happened in Russia
/grandmaster-putin-grandiose-multi-step-operation-lasting-16-years/
Now, they are stopped in Turkey
How great is this?
Thank you very much Scott for this vital but shocking piece of information.
As a young scientist myself, I am becoming more shocked each day I delve more into the world of geo-strategical political analysis and intelligence.
It is obvious that people are capable of a lot of good or evil.
However, what is becoming clear to me is how this evil is making the most (supposedly) responsible and powerful people completely lose their state of logic, reason and humanity, to the point of not even looking after their long term interests…..
It is basically a form of madness on a global scale (obviously referring to the US).
The more I go deeper into the nitty-gritty details on a regional scale (Middle-East, Europe, China now Ukraine, Syria and Turkey for example)……..all the dots are connecting to what I believe is the inevitable nuclear confrontation between the US and Russia.
The Americans and their allies are basically going to single-handedly cause the destruction of the entire Western civilization.
Since I am convinced of the upcoming nuclear confrontation which is backed by my analysis including my spiritual and religious knowledge (the question is only when)…..I am actually more interested from an analytical perspective on the post-nuclear era….
….However, as you might know this is a step further, which rarely anyone in the West wants to discuss, let alone analyze.
[The Americans and their allies are basically going to single-handedly cause the destruction of the entire Western civilization].
I honestly doubt this, and don’t necessarily agree with this point of view.
From a scientific point of view, the western type of civilization seems – in any case ! – bound to collapse and disappear, not necessarily because of being destructed by nuclear war or anything like that or because of internal struggles and decline, but because of its overuse of and dependance on energy, as a result of which the problem of entropy will become – at some critical point – much more challenging than the problem of the supply of energy. That’s at least the point of view held by well-known astrophysician François Roddier. (website : http://www.francois-roddier.fr).
http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.be/2016/03/the-other-side-of-global-crisis-entropy.html?m=1
In my view as a layman and non-scientist, the basis of the current geo-political struggles we are witnessing in the Middle East and the Far East, is the legitimite desire of both China, Russia, Iran etc… to want to offer a higher standard of living to their respective populations by closing the gap in that respect with the west. To obtain this objective however, China and Russia don’t shy away of using violence, and are in that respect not much better than the western coalition. Even if these objectives are reached in a peaceful way, the fundamental problems Francois Roddier is referring to in his articles, remain unsolved.
As far as escatology and end times is/are concerned, Muslims and christians have their own prophecies which are apparently different.
I respect your opinion, but as a christian, I don’t share the same escathological expectations, at least not what I heard being said by Sheikh Imran Hoseim in his latest video.
According to the Bible, Israël and its chosen people will be attacked by huge armies some day; I doubt, if that evers happens, that it will be by the Americans and its allies.
Scott
“It seems that it was the Russian military intelligence that warned Erdogan about the upcoming coup and helped Turkish national security to set up an operation.”
Can you elaborate on this aspect. It would be good to know more.
Siotu
Salaam Harry -Red,
Sheikh Imran N. Hosein – Orthodox Christians and Muslims together will change the world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wlnXm8yK8E
Btw…He said the same thing you did in your post ( another video), about Muslims returning Hagia Sophia to the Orthodox Christians.
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea ( Christian, not Orthodox).
And Salaam be upon you Carmel,
Actually Carmel, what Imran Hosein has said is part of authenticated well known Hadiths = Narrations from the Prophet of Islam Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon all the prophets).
Just to explain as background info:
Authentic narrations are the highest form of narrations from the prophet of Islam which have multiple narrators (multiple sources, basically multiple people around him heard it being said), each narrator having a complete chain of narrators……any scholarly doubt on any original narrators or doubts on any of their chains of narrators, makes a Hadith categorized as “weak” (which are by the way also recorded).
Thus in Islam, hadiths are assessed based on a scientific/scholarly method.
Since hadiths are related to any topic in general (commerce, sanitation, jurisprudence, etc.), the hadiths containing actual prophecies, can only be properly understood and discussed after the occurrence of certain events in history.
…..many Hadiths could not possibly be properly understood say for example 1000 years ago. It is however ironic that these Hadiths were more studied and discussed back then, then they are now.
Turkey is not coming closer to Russia, Turkey is a NATO state and Erdogan has fully integrated Turkish economy into the system of neoliberal globalization.
Before the Turkish attack against the Russian aircraft, some analysts claimed that Turkey is part of the ” multipolar ” world and that there is an emerging Russo Turkish alliance. After the attack , the same analysts blamed Erdogan as a lunatic dictator.
The coup seems like a staged event by Erdogan.
The destruction of the Turkish military elites seems to have succeed. The military was the protector of the state institutions.
With Edrogan regime , Turkey becomes a destabilized entity and totally subservient to the NWO
Scott, thanks for the article. I actually think it is a ‘coup attempt’ done by some of Erdo’s closest (of course on his instructions) vs some of Erdo’s current and potential enemies. I think it is a result of US- RUS talks.
If this were a coup orchestrated by Gullen / US it would not have finished in farce. Also I doubt it is the job of a lone wolf- ex airforce head.
When I say Erdo on FaceTime on CNN, i started to think hat here is something fishy…then the lack of a ‘leader’ of the coup, failure to detain current govt, failure to disable / restrict key infrastructure, etc.
The only beneficiary of what happened is Erdo- more power, more fanatism, etc, etc.
I think Erdo has done that in order to increase his value as a US ally and extract more political ground / power from the current reshuffling of CEE and ME.
I may be wrong but that’s my reading. Turkey is in no way turning to Russia and Russianis in no way letting Turkey close. Also, Turkey cannot afford such a turn (if exist) without damaging consequences. Why we saw few days ago was nothing like a punishment for changing directions.
I agree.
Erdogan has lost a tremendous amount of ‘face’ lately with US/EU/NATO, with his corruptions and double dealings publicly exposed and his efforts to reinstate the Ottoman Empire thwarted.
In order to claw back some standing in the world, and to keep his supporters at home loyal and onside, he needs some dramatic shows of strength, thus this desperate gamble. Turkey is a seasoned user of the strategy of tension. I expect him to change sides several more times, from US to Russia, in the coming months as he attempts to ensure his own survival at any cost.
I think his life-expectancy will be radically curtailed, though who, amongst the many he has mortally offended, will administer the coup de grace is anybody’s guess.
Oh you are so refreshing. Finally some truth and plenty of it! So difficult to find so much great information all at once! Going back and re reading. Did not see anything about the man accused by Turkey of the coup living in PA and Obama’s response. Saw the new twist on the media trying to float the coup was an inside job as a way to possibly protect this creep living in PA. Wonder if the EU will pressure Washington as I thought the EU loved Turkey’s handling of the refugee crisis and wanted to float visa free passports but has been stalling? Very interesting… Wonder why Obama has so much skin in the game to protect someone that has been called from many sources the most dangerous Muslim Terriorist. Anyway, much to lean. Thank you!
Very fine extra news of the Turkish coup. Am learning how to capture and send on extra news I have found too. It is about the global network of contacts the US CIA set up after set up 9/11. Cheney closed down all surveillance of the USA East Coast just before 9/11 so there would be no stopping the coup plotters from Saudi Arabia,backed bySaudi Arabia and the Bush cabal. Bush1 and Senator father.
And the Russians are welcome in Incirlik!
https://www.rt.com/news/349413-turkey-russia-incirlik-airbase/
Scott
Who was it who said on this site Turkeys F16s have been upgraded recently to carry nukes.? And by a particular nation. And that the 61’s may not be as safe as nominally presumed. That the codes may be defeatable.
This stand off re the 61’s has the seeds of disaster within it. The Greek Ananais may well be right Turkey loses a third of its population and land mass.
Anybody….?
I was listening to a program with Evgeny Satanosvky, one of the best Russian specialist in the Middle East. He mentioned an interesting detail about the coup. He said that the reason the coup appeared so badly organized and chaotic is that the rebels failed to detain, kill, or otherwise securely neutralize Erdogan. After the attempt failed, all further actions were also doomed to fail. This is the number one rule in a successful execution of any coup.Most likely the number of conspirators was way bigger in all levels of army and government. When it became clear that Erdogan survived, they all jumped the ship.
There also has been a small scale attempt to destabilise the government of Armenia. A group of armed opposition took some hostages at a police station. The demands were that the government resgin and their leader be released. A while ago, there was a standard ‘color coded’ regime change exercise ‘electric Yerevan’ supposedly over increased electricity prices, but the main demand was again that the government should resign. The government is pro-Russian.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2850180.html
Given Erdogan’s insistence on exacting revenge and unleashing his AKP followers to do so in the streets, this whole vile farce may not be over soon
http://sputniknews.com/news/20160717/1043162524/helicopters-turkey-coup-erdogan-weapons.html
“16. Russia and Turkey just confirmed their agreement to organize bilateral meeting of the countries leaders.”
Seems like Russia is taking over (has taken over) Turkey. That would be an amazing development on the geopolitical scene (at least to say). No matter how much do you hate Erdogan, you must admit that he has the balls to stand up against the empire. Now it is obvious that he has no future with the west. Only option for survival left is Russia.
“At least 42 helicopters have gone missing from Turkey’s military inventory in the wake of the failed coup attempt on Friday evening causing concern that there may be another act to the attempted overthrow of Erdogan.”
http://sputniknews.com/news/20160717/1043162524/helicopters-turkey-coup-erdogan-weapons.html
“The United States will probably have two scenarios [of further relations with Turkey]. One is that maybe the US will want to pressurize Erdogan not to have any kind of agreement with Russians,” Krydee said.”
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160716/1043113978/turkey-coup-us-pressure.html
Carmel by the Sea
WARNING: Extremely Graphic images of the Neo Cons (read Zionist Jews) doings:
Tank drives over citizens
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da3_1468636610
Soldiers lynched on bridge after surrendering
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=603_1468690641
They cut the throats of the soldiers who had surrendered
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91f_1468752583
Beating unarmed soldiers who already surrendered:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bce_1468700472
Non- graphic video:
Turkish soldiers say they did not know they were involved in coup plot – report
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=596_1468750502
Carmel by the Sea
Erdogan said: “The putsch was gift from Allah for us!” The crowd responded:”Allah Akbar!”
R
This coup has been trap for Erdogan – I have try to explan on this link http://www.armyinfoforum.org/ionad/2016/07/17/ionad-007-017-2016-2200-turska-ko-stoji-iza-turskog-puca/#comment-569
Unfortunately your ideas are unlikely to be appreciated by many of us since your text is very long and not in the language of this version of TheSaker. Perhaps you can summarize the content in some sentences in english?
bp
I’d also like to know why it is a trap for Erdogan?
However, to my deep sense, I also feel that this coup is a litmus test for AK Party and Turkish democracy.
It tried in full stress (full media coverage, and probably logistics), but ofcourse, the guys behind knew the people support of AK Party, and that won’t be Egypt’s Sisi. And I guess, they’d (coup guys) a wish of getting support from at least one opposite party. But things happened so fast, (and fast involve of Davutoglu, {he appeared with satellite phone at Aljajeera} and thanks to Internet), didn’t allow other parties enough time to bargain.
And litmus test is already started (may be?). Dismissing each and every one more / little involve with Hizmet (Gulen group) without giving them enough time to justify whether Hizmet is wrong or right. Clearly Erdogan will apply some punishment to these people (even bring back of capital punishment). So, probably such action with more autocratic behaviour (banning Hizmet and hard punishment to their member / supporter) divide the society, and perhaps attract others to join.
In that case (while blind oppression against Hizmet got enough die-hard member only in few big cities) – I strongly believe the next coup will end up AK Party, their support, democracy and any deal with Russia, Syria and Iran.
or probably I’m total Wrong!!!
Interesting insight:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/16/coup-lihop/
Question . . .
I am still interested in the information that the coup leaders acted to close the Dardanelles. Is this reported anywhere else? Seems important . . .
Alexander Dugin in Ankara
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/russia-turkey-dugin-ankara/
Please excuse me for posting this totally off topic subject but I’m lost as to how to contact anyone. Maybe someone here can help me.
I tried to go to the http://novorossia.today/ website and I get a page that is black with white and red lettering saying something about being hijacked. I did not stay and read what it said. I clicked out of it real quick.
I just got started with a different Internet connection on Friday so that might be a problem. I don’t know.
Has anyone else had a problem getting on their website?
Heavily armed soldiers and military vehicles closed the two main bridges in Istanbul Friday evening, and while low-flying military jets could be heard overhead. All flights from Istanbul’s Ataturk International Airport have been canceled, Reuters reported citing a witness.