2016/06/14 11:00:02
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/paul-craig-roberts/im-skeptical-orlando/
http://www.moonofalabama.org//
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/13/questions-grow-on-orlando-shooter-a-regular-at-attacked-nightclub/
Tragedy, or what Guy Debord called the spectacle, has replaced the imperial purple of the emperors, giving politicians a venue to express remorse, condemn violence like Fanucci at the carnival puppet show in Godfather II
@chimmy: Excellent links.Here’s some more links I posted. ( /the-shooting-in-orlando-a-few-very-basic-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-249486 )
chimmy
The questions are growing and the answers remain on hold, probably we’ll never find out the truth ever, just like in other similar cases. Of course, we can find many sources with many information, even contradictory one to another, some of them posted with purpose, to make us a black-out nuts. The Empire is laughing in our face, yet another success for him in bringing the people in chaos, chaos of information. It is gender case, it is racist case, it is a religious-background case, it is psychical illness case, it is a political motivated case or all in one ?
Virtual reality. When it reaches 100%, we know all the names of God, at which moment the “world” ceases to exist. (http://amazingstoriesmag.com/2014/03/nine-billion-names-god-arthur-c-clarke/)
Over and over, too, this amazing paragraph comes to mind:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” (attributed to Karl Rove)
Today, the President AND the V. President were both in Orlando together — one “terror attack” short of Paul Ryan’s becoming President of the U.S. (and Commander-in-Chief of military forces, because we are, after all, “at war”). Just something to think about.
Or, we know all the names of G__ (but not the heart) and humanity is consigned to damnation. A remnant however will be saved.
Good morning. First impressions can be lasting. I was impressed by the picture of a young woman gazing intently at her hazy partner, with French fries (frites) all over the place. Her questioning gaze speaks volumes.
Then I noticed that the icon to my right on the sidebar has been changed, from God and Christ and Man to Mary, yes Mary, with Jesus and all his men gathered around her. True care and the goddess (God forbid, in Mary’s case) have come full circle to front and center. See how powerful this vineyard is. It brings men to their senses, that their first and only duty is to protect, honor and serve the interests of womam; and therefore her children and the earth.
Then, I notice that the one and only comment, at this time, is the one from chimmy, that questions the Orlando event. Have we been suckered and played once again? It shows that the information war is, guess what?, about information, regardless of truth. Like the woman in the French Fry Cafe, I wonder what the hell is this guy thinking.
Well, I came here to do serious business: the work of stopping the war on Russia, and thereby on the world. My work is to report on the love army which has been invited to help, not to do it for us. The love army has already sent nine of its ten divisions; and now the tenth is deploying in the information zone of 85%, alongside the 10% economic and 5% military. Did I get that right?
The tenth division is about persons and objects generally, and specifically related to sex, which is the make or break point of war. It’s called pornography, or porn, for short. Porn unquestionably makes persons objects, involving sale and sell-outs. The fact that porn has become wholly associated with sex testifies to central importance of sex in love and war, where all is fair game.
So let us use porn as a barometer of our times. Porn extends to all aspects of our lives, not just sexual. Increasingly, in our decaying world, we are being made into disposable objects for commerce. Persons used to be held sacred by law and custom. Now corporations have succeeded persons in value, have the force of law, that corporations are persons, and in practice a thousand times more valuable. From another angle, we see the attack on personhood coming from the third division’s area, that of pethood. Some avid pet lovers are pushing for acceptance of the idea that pets are persons, and should have equal rights, at least as great as woman’s rights to equality.
The tenth division of the love army focuses on supporting the ideal of personhood, and therefore will counterattack, from an informational and even spiritual strategy, the empire’s onslaught and slaughter of persons in the name of power and money.
Persons are sacred, even in their bombed and droned state of exhaustion and despair in our failing world. This sacredness is reflected in the old values and orders of the gods. In the Christian tradition, it is dogma that there are three persons in one God; as if one person is not enough to wake us up to value of persons. Then there is the Hindu tradition of the supreme personality of Godhead. And so on in ancient cultures and traditions.
In our mad rush for individual power and wealth, made in the whatever, we hardly know what a person is anymore, so objectified have we become. We are reduced to numbers where even our names are digitalized (1 and 0): by numerical: age, social security number, address, height, weight, credit rating, rank in class and society, drivers’ license number, police record, NSA file, number of wives and children, degrees, number of social network followers, annual salary, estimated money in the bank, IQ, insurance number, credit or debit #, to mention but a few of the omnipresent, objective identifications, without which we are invisible nobodies, not even worth the price of the chemicals in our body. In fact, we have negative value, for it costs plenty to burn or bury or person-less bodies.
And then we wonder why there is war. There has been war on persons ever since the first merchant sold his soul, or soulmate, for a piece of god, gold or silver. Anyway, the tenth division has its work cut out for it. It deploys at the front line, facing Mordor, along with its companions in arms divisions, nine, eight and seven. These four linemen of the four elements or love face-off the four horsemen of the apocalypse: war, death, famine and disease.
Well, I’m getting ahead of the story. My hands are sweaty and I haven’t even started yet. The armies are jockeying for position in “the powers of the air,” as Saint Paul called them. The war is coming to a head around the fall of 2016, which may go down as “the fall of ’16,” sixteen being a multiple of 4 x 4 as referred to before in the front-lines of war. I’ll leave it up to the experts here in numerology and astro-numerology and graphology to unravel, what I get by intuitive love logic.
I just read a piece by Orlov on the number 150, as the max for a self-sufficient community; with the extrapolation of many 150’s as the network of sustainability in the global commons. I’m wondering if I can be part of one of those 150’s, including the mavericks here in this virtual vineyard, my own relatives and friends, the folks I live with here on three acres and the ones in our Ojai Valley who are interested in the things we are. I think a 150 virtual + real? community is possible and the way to save Russiana. It’s not ideal to my desires and way of thinking but it’s a start. It’s not communal (at least three) sex yet but it’s getting there.
Dennis, I read your report on the developments of the Love Army. I believe a special section of this tenth division should be dedicated to organ transplant and trafficking. I think Capitalism has put a price on the human life so that it will be traded by the hour, by the piece and per unit. This is beyond sad and outrageous.
By the way, I was very surprised about your mention of Orlov’s Village, of which I read last night and thought would be the most perfect place to scape the war, with my kids. It really seems like to most safe place to be.
Thank you for all your ideas. I enjoy every post you make. A hug, vercia
for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQS9_ZN5k_c
Vercia
Beautiful song, I get very impressed, many thanks !
Thanks for the video of stars and lovers. I am drawn to these spiraling galaxies as source models for who we are and from whence we came. A community of lovers is my source, which is gathered into one idea: The Lover; a conceptual abstraction of all of us as lovers.
I had not heard of a Orlov Village, as such. I know of Club Orlov and Dimitri Orlov, but not that there was a village in his name. It sounds compatible with his thoughts about the 150 number; and seems a logical application, which you may have drawn out.
Yes, the tenth division is about personography as opposing pornography. And the dismembering of persons and their bodies should never have happened. With our degraded condition now, I suppose organ transplants could be morally justified, but never organ trafficking as a commercial trade, by the hour, piece and unit. This is what happens when persons become objects.
Your love for your children, and desire to take them to a safe place, is touching. Yesterday, at the library, there was group of young girls, with their teacher, interacting as girls of that age do. I was struck by their innocence, beauty and vulnerabililty, as they approach womamhood. How could we ever hurt them, or stifle their growth? They were telling me that I must do everything in my power to make the world safe for them.
I spoke at city council last night about the threats to our safety coming from our national government, relative to finances. They listened attentively but I don’t think they really believe there is a clear and present danger. We live in bubble here. I’d like to see some kind of an Orlov Village here but time will tell.
Tonight I’m going to lead a discussion group on “who/what is a person?” I pray that your spiraling stars of personhood will join in, with our small circle of a dozen or so.
@ Dennis Leary: here is the link to Orlov’s Village. It really seems to me like a place that could a Cafe with aquintances included…take a look. I mean, there has to be somebody left to populate the earth after those lunatics finish their work. I do not want to sound pessimistic, and hope our Love Army will do a good job.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11CHdKaxGZRAN2ia99Qy03KuzNyTJcDmVEDF7n53XxRQ/edit
Hi. Thanks for the link to Our Village. I remember reading this but it was at his website, Club Orlov, I think. The idea, ideal of a village is a good one but I think it has to be some combo of real, physical people and a virtual village, such as here at this vineyard, and even more specifically, at this cafe.
I’ve had this idea for some time, but I thought of it as groups of 30 to 60, somewhat smaller than Orlov’s. Also, I ground the concept on herstorical reality, going back 100,000 years ago, and linking through the ages to now.
The Love Army is an extension of the core group of lovers, of 30-60, which itself develops into many such groups, sharing the same idea-ology. I’m intrigued by the sense that such a group of 30-60 is in fact coalescing here in the cafe; and potentially in my small valley community of 8000 in Ojai Town, and 30,000 in the Ojai Valley.
Dennis
Here is a resumé :
Tenth Division
Tenth division and the porn ?
Put together what they own,
Not to count the smaller worm,
That’s a very big big horn.
Everything gets sexual
Decaying, comes mutual
Objects being sensual
World is far from ideal.
Porn is used as barometer,
Some sort of a smart meter.
Barometer of our times
Measuring our sacred lies.
Think we are sacred persons ?
Oh, you didn’t learn the lessons,
Law and custom, equations…
Persons are now corporations…
Do we have again to wonder,
When we got reduced to number ?
Live your life as a binary
Without which you’re nobody
Thanks for the added poetic resonance. How’s your mother doing? Another sacred person.
Dennis
Thanks for your question. My mother is doing for a couple of weeks better, with some bad days between. Sadly, her dementia is increasing so I have to be and talk very carefully with her, repeating words and things many times a day. A big part of my energy is going there, other parts are going in the daily house-work which has to be done. Yesterday I have washed clothes with my hands, cause she destroyed the machine when I was in the kitchen. She reads the newspaper once, twice, and has no clue on what she just saw in that paper. It’s not easy honey moon with my mom. However, I love her as she is and I will take care of her as long as I could. She accepts nobody from outside to do this. The life is not easy, there is destiny. who interferes with our internal affairs.
Our thoughts, love and and support are always with you Ioan, even if we don’t articulate them.
Keep poetizing – this audience really appreciates them :-)
Hugs,
Eimar
ioan
you are so strong and so brave to take your destiny with so much love in your heart. As eimar says, we do not always say it, but support you with our positive energies. Blessings to you and Mama
thanks to all of you, I love you all !
All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,
That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Douay Rheims translation.
What is eschatology? I think the answer is knowing the world and knowing ourselves. When Paul wrote the above words, the canon as we know it today had not yet been defined. And so I feel justified to a certain point of interpreting here the word ‘scripture’ broadly. Take the work of Kafka, while it does not touch the heart as the Gospels do, it describes the world in which we live, the inoperability of politics.
In the aftermath of 9/11, a smarmy functionary of the regime spake thus:
And so this is our climate.
“That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work”
If that were the man then the creature would be much better than the creator.
@ Chimmy
That statement encapsulates a vision and explains many events that evade us mere mortals, including the current predicament of war or peace facing us, the victims of the reality makers. It may have been said as a triumphalist expression of power or an insider’s Freudian slip hinting at the causes and execution of 9/11.
It has been observed that in the current geopolitical game the Russians are always performing the roles of “reactors” to the American actors, that is, the latter have the initiative while the former are condemned to forever chasing the shadows.
Allow me to speak to you, and chimmy (above) and Anonymous (above) regardingyour intriguing ideas.
“…scripture…to correct…” I think scripture is a living, changing, thinking organism, not a dead letter. Church fathers, like my namesake, Denys, developed the ideas of Jesus and the apostles. Can we do less? Without destroying the base.
A “smarmy functionary” …”creating other new realities … we’re history’s actors … you study what we do…” American actors and Russian reactors.
If the “man of God is perfect”, is he better than the creator?
I believe that up to now, we have not been creators of new realities, and that’s why the empire is getting away with their version of reality (false as it is). However, things are changing. Russia is learning how to be a leader and a bringer in of new realities based on the best of the old ones.
I don’t know if it’s too little, too late but I see signs that this vineyard is not going to take this evildom sitting down. Thanks to this community of “150,” I am learning to stand up for the best of the old and creating newness based on that. Old seasoned wine in new wine-skins.
“Russia is learning how to be a leader”
If the Russian leaders are learning to lead then it is on the exact same basis as that which the empire leads…inequality is nothing to hope for.
Russia has one of the best leaders this world has seen, VV Putin. In fact, he could lead the whole world to happiness and prosperity. Some like it, some do not have what it takes to realize it.
“In fact, he could lead the whole world to happiness and prosperity. ”
Oh dear, another unknown Putin fanboy/girl who needs to be led.
I am a supporter of Putin but no fan or groupie. I think we do need leaders but leaders of a certain kind that are not blind or themselves led by power needs. Putin has done an excellent job so far but the ante keeps getting raised in this war, and whether Putin can meet the greater challenges remains to be seen.
Really, it’s unfair to put so much of the burden on Putin. It’s the people as a whole that bear the main responsibility. Putin leads from behind as much as he is a figurehead out front. The consciousness of the Russians themselves will determine the outcome. In effect and by extension, that means each one of us.
“I am a supporter of Putin”
Well support for (on some measures) the “leader” of the most unequal society on earth means you and I are diametrically opposed.
Lesson nr. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_8IK3Sy8E
Lesson nr. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvP6r4tV3CE
Lesson nr. 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4G60Mr8-o
comment above was for anonymous at June 16, 2:04pm
“comment above was for anonymous at June 16, 2:04pm”
I detest celebrity culture – neither has “style” any substance in comparison to content.
“Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
Are you referencing this? Also, I’m not sure what this site is about, but I would seek to prevent war with Russia as well.
Someone tell the pope there are nuclear weapons in Italia.
Shooting tragedy in Orlando : “the biggest shooting tragedy in Us history” ? and how about Waco ?
80 killed people : 22 children the complete list is here :
http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-victims.html
Janet Reno had a roomful of press people and tech at Waco, not one ambulance. This was to be an operation to benefit the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. What was reported widely was not what happened. Just the beginning of the Clinton´s propaganda machine. The demonisation of religious groups, the justification of government attacks on innocent civilians within the US borders. There is an interesting video at Brasscheck.com showing original interviews with local sheriffs, etc. as to what really happened. Worth a view.
Thanks for the link
14.06.2016 Author: Phil Butler
What If Vladimir Putin Does Know a “Third Way” for Society?
Vladimir Putin saved Russia from the scavengers of the Yeltsin era. What’s more, he’s fundamentally re-forming the world’s biggest country in ways few understand. Unfortunately, most of this select group are bitter enemies of the notion of a Russian led world. While think tanks and “new world” evangelists in the west promise change and progress, Putin and his colleagues are at work, resolutely forging a new Russia.
http://journal-neo.org/2016/06/14/what-if-vladimir-putin-does-know-a-third-way-for-society/
The rest:
journal-neo.org/2016/06/14/what-if-vladimir-putin-does-know-a-third-way-for-society/
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Vladimir Putin-The Prince
By Christopher Caldwell
By certain traditional measures, Russian president Vladimir Putin is the pre-eminent statesman of his time. When he took power in the winter of 1999–2000, his defenseless and bankrupt country was being carved up by its new kleptocratic elites, in collusion with its old imperial rivals. Much as Kemal Atatürk had done in Turkey seven decades earlier, Putin rescued a nation-state from the ruins of an empire and gave it coherence and purpose.
The Rest:
http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-prince/
or
http://swarajyamag.com/world/vladimir-putin-the-prince
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Ivan Ilyin: On the Devil
In this 1947 essay, Russian philosopher Ivan Ilyin (1883-1954) addresses the reality of the devil in history and our own time. Tellingly, the advance of the secular and materialist outlook has corresponded with an ever-growing fascination with the demonic – along with its public justification. Translated by Mark Hackard.
https://souloftheeast.org/2015/01/08/ivan-ilyin-on-the-devil/
JeamesW: Topical. The last link rings mostly true…… except that leftists will have a difficult time with part of it.
Otherwise I am fairly certain that not all the Western artists that treat the topic of deviltry in their art endorse it, like Nietzsche did. Though I have heard contrary views of Milton I have not studied the matter in his case. I am fairly certain Schiller was in no way shape or form any sort of apologist.
Readers should know that the first commenter on that other blog says: Very interesting. According to Vineyard Saker, Putin has quoted Ilyin in his speeches. Thanks for translating.
Now will try to find the time to follow up on your other links. Thanks!
yesterday, when I went to write the “Mundanes Tagebuch” suddenly and for the first time in nine years
before my eyes was a vision off fume and dust arrising into the invisible spirit and fuming out of a dark eliptc well down in the center in the depth … bordered by a eliptic wall – – – high above over it was like small clouds under a clear sky a ridge of hills like a spine and to each side the surging fumes divided and floated down
today in the bath remembering yesterdays vision two items appeared: Hillary Clinton and inkpots, fuming inkpot as well of all the grey spirit emerging of more and “more of the same” …
… but then today in the “Recent Items” there was the flash: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/06/fear-and-loathing-at-saint-anselm-the-donald-gives-a-presidential-speech-on-national-security.html
And today: It’s Donald-Day, Day of the builder. Sunn in “God’s footstep” called “Twins”, calling those off the birth- dough who will command in nuce an abundance of all kinds of ramifications, coming lords of the 3, coming lord of the words, and in best condition those who will foster all kinds of smart regulations.
And you might not know my elaboration about the Donald from March:
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2016/03/the-donald-in-front-of-triumph.html
Have nice hours here, to me a gelato spezial and a double Expresso
Cheers m.
Re: inauguration day USA
Loved by some
by others hated
Will America be again great
or for destruction be slated?
If the City on the Hill
must be breached to pay the bill
What better agent ,
a bankrupt trickster
unable to fix her
himself a shrill shill.
But a Sag. moon, the peoples advocate
might call for the powerful ones to abdicate
the brazen stealing replaced by New Dealing
unless, by that time, it happens too little, too late.
for hearts that beat for Micha el, fiery Prince of Thought.
teranam13
The title might be : City on the Hill, and is very appropriate what you put into verses. It’s working.
Thanks for sharing it. May I pay the bill, for this verse on City’s Hill ?
Fumes? That does not sound healthful, but then the oracle of Delphi sat over a vent which gave off fumes emanating from the chthonic depths. Oh yes, there will be more foulness from Killary–her Scorpio stays low, not high like others blessed to be given this personal energy with which to manifest. She would love to deal Putin like she dealt Khaddafi. and laugh. Avaunt , foul beast, quit my sight!
VVP is her scapegoat for Bill.
she’s not getting it. VV Putin plays in a very superior (spiritually) league then hers…no way. Not that she will not try…but she is not getting it
Thanks to Stefan in the last Cafe, I’m probably delayed another week in my “Getting Inside The Skivvies (eeeeeyouuu!! as my boys used to say……..) of the NWO Psychopaths” cafe paper, The self-loathing underlying their psychopathy, and the parental abandonment (especially “daddy ” issues……..) driving their victim/abuser/victim/abuser secondary psychopathy, …………which something can be done about….as opposed to the primary psychopaths…who must simply be prevented from cloning their behavior onto the Hillarys and Baracks of this world…no cure in sight for them but death through old age or legal execution.
But that’s good! If delayed it will be better researched , maybe with more interest and input from others.
There’s stuff in this book by Russian naturalist Kropotkin that totally relates to the above topic (as counter to their Social Darwinism and that Dennis, Martin, ioan and others will doubtless appreciate if they don’t already know this work Mutual Aid- A Factor of Evolution.
Half done! But before much cafe dialogue or going around in many more circles with people who can’t comprehend that there is a Sacred Masculine as well as a Sacred Feminine, and the trick ain’t one or the other , it’s both, in balance I need to finish the book!
So with that intro I repost my initial excitement about it yesterday, which was hard to read (sorry) because of being so narrow, with broken up lines, in my haste, and also posted so close to closing time:
Bro on June 14, 2016 · at 1:17 am UTC
Many thanks, Stefan. I already read 3 pages of “Mutual Aid- A Factor of Evolution” available for free here:
https://www.complementarycurrency.org/ccLibrary/Mutual_Aid-A_Factor_of_Evolution-Peter_Kropotkin.pdf
and intend to finish its 196 pages.
It is already very interesting in regard to Eastern Russia or “Northern Asia” as Kropotkin calls it, and should probably be read before anyone charges off for that free hectare, only to get buried in snow in early October:
“The terrible snow-storms which sweep over the northern portion of Eurasia in the
later part of the winter, and the glazed frost that often follows them; the frosts and
the snow-storms which return every year in the second half of May, when the
trees are already in full blossom and insect life swarms everywhere; the early
frosts and, occasionally, the heavy snowfalls in July and August, which suddenly
destroy myriads of insects, as well as the second broods of the birds in the
prairies; the torrential rains, due to the monsoons, which fall in more temperate
regions in August and September – resulting in inundations on a scale which is
only known in America and in Eastern Asia, and swamping, on the plateaus,
areas as wide as European States; and finally, the heavy snowfalls, early in
October, which eventually render a territory as large as France and Germany,
absolutely impracticable for ruminants, and destroy them by the thousand –
these were the conditions under which I saw animal life struggling in Northern
Asia. They made me realize at an early date the overwhelming importance in
Nature of what Darwin described as “the natural checks to over-multiplication,” in
comparison to the struggle between individuals of the same species for the
means of subsistence, which may go on here and there, to some limited extent,
but never attains the importance of the former. Paucity of life, under-population –
not over-population – being the distinctive feature of that immense part of the
globe which we name Northern Asia, I conceived since then serious doubts –
which subsequent study has only confirmed – as to the reality of that fearful
competition for food and life within each species, which was an article of faith
with most Darwinists, and, consequently, as to the dominant part which this sort
of competition was supposed to play in the evolution of new species.
On the other hand, wherever I saw animal life in abundance, as, for instance, on
the lakes where scores of species and millions of individuals came together to
rear their progeny; in the colonies of rodents; in the migrations of birds which
took place at that time on a truly American scale along the Usuri; and especially
in a migration of fallow-deer which I witnessed on the Amur, and during which
scores of thousands of these intelligent animals came together from an immense
territory, flying before the coming deep snow, in order to cross the Amur where it
is narrowest – in all these scenes of animal life which passed before my eyes, I
saw Mutual Aid and Mutual Support carried on to an extent which made me
suspect in it a feature of the greatest importance for the maintenance of life, the
preservation of each species, and its further evolution.
And finally, I saw among the semi-wild cattle and horses in Transbaikalia, among……. ”
Just a short taste, for others that don’t read Russian, and want to know more about an area of the world they (Like I) know very little about. The idea of “mutual aid” sounds so politically relevant, in contrast to Darwinism, which I have always regarded as an excuse for aggression and immorality.
Highly topical material for the struggle against Uni-polar Empire, I am eagerly supposing, before devouring the other 193 pages! Heartfelt thanks, Stefan!
(A day later: Halfway through, and still excited, got some great excerpts I’d like to share…..will respond or put some short comments in, but want to press on with the reading, and finish…..)
Bro
Hello my friend, thanks for posting that excerpt, very impressive indeed. The weather conditions haven’t change too much since then, so the living condition is very hard, not acceptable for many westerners who are used to temperate climate and little work around their house or garden, or even having animals around to feed. It seems so romantic in summer but that is too short, the people who want to survive the winter have to work hard to be prepared for the long winter months, gathering a lot of necessary things etc. You need to have some skills or to learn very quickly under those circumstances. To read the entire book, need time, which sometimes I miss, but I will try because you made me curious. Reading this excerpt, it is very entertaining. Thanks again to post this one.
ioan, warm thanks! Every teacher should learn what this Kropotkin learned and taught. Makes Darwinism look insane, satanic and just plain incompetent, and does so with such a nice spirit!
The book is apparently over 100 years old (pre-1917 revolution) and now I feel silly for thinking, ‘What a find!”, because as I finished it late this afternoon, and told my wife what I was reading, she said, “Oh yes, I really liked that book all my life!”
So I realized other Russians reading my post must be laughing at me.
But I don’t mind, I’ll join in the fun and laugh at myself! Hahahahaha!
And ask others, like Saker to post some recommended reading of Russian sources, available in English that are not already famous and known to everyone like the fiction of Tolstoy, Dostoeyevsky, etc.
Really glad I found this one. I will be rethinking a lot of things for months to come. Whew! Give me a chance to rest and I’ll provide a few examples of what I mean.
Dear Saker,
May be of interest in the increasingly not so cold war:
Russia takes control of and lands US drone in Crimea:
https://youtu.be/_taR2VcKQKY
@ Aunt Sally
That American jet drone is indeed huge, it must be very costly, it easily costs more than a jet bomber. What a loss for Pentagon. I had always thought those were much smaller, a few meters at most, but it is not so… What is most surprising, however, is the revelation that these American brazen intrusions into the Russian air space are now commonplace!
One wonders, is Russia planning to do anything active about this? I certainly do not have any “diplomatic” crap in mind, but something military – other than merely passively reacting, by capturing or shooting these drones. Such as, sending own drones to bomb the Banderastan bases of their drones. Why not take initiative? Seems as if the Kremlin crew is not quite up to it, so the American “partners” are getting the wrong (or right?) message.
RT exposes Killery’s election fraud in California primary with the connivance of the MSM:
https://www.rt.com/usa/346685-sanders-california-counties-flip/
Ironically, he may end up winning California even after he capitulates ( which he was going to do all along) to Killery and urges us all to vote “lesser” evil for Killery. Moral relativism is the bane of Western civilization.
Mister Youknowwho: Good golly, this cafe’s hot isn’t it?
Miss Molly: Mmmh, sure is….
Mister Youknowwho: Love the poems, don’t you?
Miss Molly: Mmmh I sure do…
Mister Youknowwho: Let’s dance!
Miss Molly: Rock ‘n roll – yea let’s dance!!
https://youtu.be/kZ6h0kyqSRk
Anonymous
Great verse with great music with Little Richard ! thanks a lot
And ‘transgenderism’ is naught of ‘alt’
But the axe of each gestalt
The Whole doth sum the greater
Of the Parts : so must the Theatre
Of Absurd go stage the Play
Truth and Honour to disarray
By means subvert and despotic
Through destruction of the Demotic
The Lords of Chaos endarken Logos
In the silken skeins of bogus
Claims to ‘Equality’:
Nay , for in Reality
‘Man, Woman and godblessed Child ‘
Hath their name-truth defiled
And in the name of Liberty
Crooked liars /lawyers vie
To bury Life in secret labs
And lay upon the mortuary slab
Our very souls: so to Minds,
Guard ye agin these binds
For in the Beginning was the Word:
So make of it Truth’s own sword.
Wow .. in skeins of bogus…
so true thanks.
eimar
Oh, this poem perfectly describes the meaning of “equality” and ” reality” we have, we live in. Good to have you again here in the Cafe. I hope you will come again with new poems, I like it. Thanks !
Saker, did you notice this similarity of date, possibly message to west..
1941 June 14:
/TASS/ issued a report, labelling groundless the statements about the
forthcoming war with Germany, spread by foreign and particularly British
press
2016 June 14
/TASS/ The Russian Defense Ministry has notified foreign military
attaches as well as parties to the 2011 Vienna Document through channels
of the OSCE European security agency about the start of a snap inspection
of the Russian Armed Forces..
More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/881873
—-
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3361252
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3362505
and I do not believe Putin would not notice this strange similarity..
(just see here his knowledge of history ww2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yg2Sqj9E9U
The weather is overcast. And all the bad, confusing news is overcasting me with sadness. I turn to poetry for relief, and a temporary break from analysis.
21 lines of love, Love:
I’m sitting here wondering what it is that I can do
Don’t cry, love, you know we can make it through
How can I ever tell what is false from what is true?
There’s so much information making me feel blue
The only thing that makes sense is the love of you
I feel you moving through me, from my head to my toes
I feel a sadness that I doubt anyone except you knows
I wish I could turn the world inside out
Then there would only be you to think about
But you cry out to me from the corners of the globe
About bodies that are burned and souls that are sold
Oh, Love, my love, what is it that we can do
To change the course of rivers or the morning dew?
I will speak of you in the best way that I can
From spiraling stars to the lonely grain of sand
The sadness gathers flowers all around my throat
I could break down like a child, lost and all alone
Like the falling sparrow that will never sing another note
Somehow, somehow, I’ve got to stand up like a man
And turn my sorrow into something you can understand
For all the burned out, desperate ones, dying in our land
Dennis
Again very good (save it) I have save it too for the posterity (if remains somebody). If not, we shall see it again in heaven and we shall have a very good time together. Watch out Dennis, when i’ll come there I will ask for you and for others from this Vineyard as well. There will be fun, the real one.
Here on planet Earth, everything has an end. It would be the greatest punishment not to be a continuation on another level, just to live our life in vain ? The kid in my soul is there and gives me hope for that DAY.
It seems to be a heavy birth – on Monday and on Wednesday – to bring a Saturn in Sagittarius into the World.That seems to be up to the Pluto in Capricorn, which has to appear with his ruler Saturn.
By the way the dark bluegray fume welling in my vision – yesterday associated with Killary and the corporate inkpots, today appaered to me as welling around the central logo of the Adobe Ps sinister Cs6 program.
Why possibly more and more black on our screens?
And this is the Mercury (wednesday-) version of the week.
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2016/06/donald-and-ramifications-this-week-in.html
wow, the poetry is flowing and inspired here…Well, in humility I add lines . ..” too near to funnels out of time” yes, some of us have positions out-of-bounds a bit above the usual 23-25 ecliptic..It can be difficult to hold steady and to ground with skill those messages Uranus passes thru( the pass-you-not ) to Saturn, King of Form.
Moon’s Monthly consummation on Solstice stage
Moon tags in passing Scorpio Mars, ” You’re it!”
Sag Saturn his proud tail she playfully tweeks
on her way to Summer Solstice arriving next week.
She poses on one foot , not wavering a bit
then with rays from the sun and “bras en couronne”
she dives into Cancer’s waters cool and deep,
Says,” take rest ,remember- there is much yet to be done.”
w
teranam13
putting the stars in verses ? very good idea from you T13, thanks !
Judging by my body, I’d say the love war has begun in earnest. Yesterday I felt light and energized; today I feel heavy and lethargic. The war starts with me. As the bombs fell around me, I focused on the thought of love, saying her name over and over. Half-way home on my walk, I thought I would just collapse on my bed but instead I came here. Love would have it so.
The battle formations are now in place with all ten divisions deployed in a 1, 2, 3, 4 triangle formation. Across the lines the anti-love forces have a similar but opposite formation. The battleground is between the mountains of Athos, Tabor, Sinai and Carmel in the Megiddo / Armageddon valley, a two day march to Jerusalem.
As you might surmise, this is no ordinary battle but it does affect us if we are sensitive to what’s going on. My body seemed to pick up the vibrations which managed to weaken me but I feel better now that I can see more clearly the love army through the fog.
The first division is the number one point at the center-back, protected by the forward lines 2, 3, and 4, with 4 being in closest proximity to the enemy’s front 4. From the first position, high ground, thought is directed to our army and against the opposing army. In our case, the thought is love, and the enemy’s is a vast array of schemes designed to destroy love.
I felt the attacks on my own thought of love, as a trace of what the general war is about. The disguises, jamming and misinformation is also something that I can faintly sense. I just keep thinking love which acts as some kind of missile shield, disabling the attacks; and then continuing on to weaken the generators on the other side.
I was told in an earlier briefing, the battle had started at dawn, about the time I got up, and was struck by the bad news here. Our tenth division, on the right front flank, began probing actions from land, sea and air. The enemy was taken off guard, not expecting a just arrived division to engage, having just made the march.
The forces of their opposing division were mostly new recruits, including many religious fanatics, who did not exactly panic but they were upset enough to jam their own communications. Our forces are seasoned veterans, since love is “recruiting men who are tough sons of bitches; raising an army from the old religious.”
The tenth divisions, on their side and ours, using the forces of pornography and personography, respectively, engage within all of us over the choice of people as objects or as persons. I feel this struggle in myself, as the dynamics play out in the only place I have any control over; although that does not deny that I have, by those choices, an influence on the over-all course of the war.
Love has chosen the battlefield perspectives well. We charge from the East, with the sun at our backs at sunrise, and with the sun in their eyes. By the time the sun sets in the West, the battle has been won or lost, although the war is far from over. Psychologically, the West is about sundown while the East rises with the sun. As love rises, the empire will go down to drown and be recycled by the watery elements.
Well, I’m just the messenger, and a very poor one at that, so don’t shoot the one who brings uncertain news. I can say that we achieved our purpose: to rattle their cages and let them know we are here. It’s not easy reporting on a war that goes from the virtual saker valley masthead to the usual ojai valley watershed; from the Forest of Eden to the Fields of Stardom; and from the Luciferian thought field to the Michaelian love fest.
I guess I should put this day to rest. We have cast the die, and crossed the Rubicon. Ours is not Caesar’s triumph at Pharsalus, nor a Vercingetorix victory. It is something much more that cannot be told by history books or action movies. This war is inscribed in the memories of our brain and in the herstory of our heart. The victor will write the history but a vineyard rite will act out the mystery of love when the war is won and done.
Even now, to use poetic license, the love army is turning into a love story, the greatest story ever told, the one foretold by Christos, the forerunner of Christa and Chrestos. We are in a transition from romantic to semantic to volcanic, of which this war of wars fulfills the prophecy: “I have come to cast fire upon the earth, and how restless I am until it be blazing.”
After a dreary day, the setting sun has warmed away the clouds. It shines through my western window and through this computer window, swifter than the thought of love; for we travel much faster than light; we move at lovespeed.
Back to basics. The Lord was the Promised One,.the Messiah, the annointed One, the King, the One who decides, the Ruler and He comes back. The One, who was a victor at Golgata. He opened Heaven for us and taught me about His victory in the 1980-ties, when I needed it the most.. The One who can keep anglosaxons and Russians from destroying each other. Ann, if she is still here, will understand me. The Sun will rise in the West, a promise in the three monoteistic religions, Christianity, Islam and the Jewish religion. There is a reason we honour Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
In Norwegian (paa norsk).
Himmellosen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHZMKnFDXIE
Norwegian visitor, the spirit of comfort and care, like family love is required (necessary) to avert barbarism. But Christianity is not in the best of shape, when the elites are coming out of the closet/tunnel with the goat-king
/wanna-see-the-new-european-homo-erotic-culture/
and putting Lancaster, California inside a pentagram, this month
https://youtu.be/NCYeFfcPftI as iaon brought to our attention. (No TV for me….a network of international sentries, some of whom may have tv but keep it down to a minimum level… is best, I think. )
The narrator of the second video may be more active (at least in speaking) or less active than you. I can’t tell, because I don’t know either of you.
What I do know is that the reason for the decline of morality, and real Christianity is that the satanic elites penetrated esoteric early Christianity a long, long time ago in order to put masses of believers under submissive mind control.
A key principle of satanism is the idea of “falling short” and unfortunately most Christians are, without being conscious of it, falling one short by looking entirely outside of themselves for salvation, instead of connecting the inner soul, mind, and body to the outer universe and its creator.
I am not saying that you or the narrator of the video about Lancaster do not make the inner connection. You both might, for all I know. But what I do know is that most Christians are Christians in name only and are content to await “salvation” by adopting some belief in something outside of themselves, that they rely on to do all the work, all the thinking, all the fighting, all of whatever action is required, and your and my problem is that they are pretty much as useless to this effort to stop the Empire’s War on Russia, as they say down south, as “:tits on a boar hog”.
What to do about the fact that they have unconsciously adopted a belief that satanists have tricked them into adopting? I suggest a little basic arithmentic:
It has been known since the dawn of human awareness that the Creator, the Creation and the individually conscious being all have a triune nature composed of Thought, Spirit and Action. Spirit or emotion or heart is a necessary guide to right action. But how are we to judge the emotion/spirit it if it leads to inaction, as it most assuredly does among the vast majority of so-called Christians?
It has to be judged by its result, which is the falling short of the required 3 elements of completion of the full realization of being, and settling for 2 out of 3. Which is 2/3, which is expressed in decimals as .666
Action is also necessary for the sufficiency of wholeness to be manifest in the individual. Much, much, more work to be done in instilling the will, love, courage to act in the flocks of people that say they are Christian but are falling “one short” by design of their occult controllers within many of the churches.
Jesus Christ is coming to save us – we heard that over and over again in the churches in the schools on internet. But we are to make the cleaning in our house, I don’t call the neighbor to do the dirty job for me. That’s mean, that we have to clean ourselves from our sins before Jesus will come. If the time which has been given for the mankind to do it, is at the end, and we are still kept in our traps, much painful intervention has to be implemented to solve it. That could also mean war. Any way, something has to happen to wake up the people.
No, Christianity is not in best shape and that is sort of my point. We are the feet of Heaven and when we stumble, Heaven takes action. That is why He intervened in Palestine when the keys to the Word were hidden. He opened the door to Heaven for us. He will do it again.
I see decay everywhere. Some congregations are sick and will go down. This is true in several religions. When truth leaves a Church it cannot survive.
Where is it worse? In the West. When the Lord works, He starts from the bottom. That is why He came to Palestine, that is why He will come to the West.
We all have responsibility, but we cannot fight the powerful rulers, we can only try to manage our lives as best we can.
Thanks. That’s a powerful message. Christ as the Man of men.
But the emotional undertone of Jesus the man, as lover of womam, children and the earth, has been underplayed, which your link of song in a bar of wine and women displayed openly for all.
When Jesus the Lover and Christ the Ruler come together in a new rendition which has been in readiness for 2000 years opens a new field of vision, we will be imported (not transported) to where we were meant to be. God the Father Himself will authorize the change by acknowledging Love the Mother and the Womam as Lover.
Russia and Malaysia conducting independent investigation into MH-17 crash – results to be announced in October:
http://dnidefence.com/en/posts/malaysia-to-start-independent-mh17-investigation-results-in-october-2016/
Interesting timing……
I’m enjoying the verses of far better poets than I who are coming forth in the cafe. Ah, sweet rest!
I’ve had my Pope ready for the inevitable critics, but they seem to have abandoned the Cafe and are taking pot shots in the war rooms, against invited authors and themselves of course. I’ve gotten sucked into those arguments, despite bearing down on my reading. And so, I criticize my own criticism.
Well, Pope’s Essays on Criticism was written for critics of poets, but I think I will deploy it also for defense of any authors. But before I do, one more for the cafe poets, to embolden them, knowing that 700 more lines like these are ready for any critics that emerge, with readiness to answer any half-baked aspect of that art of criticism:
“All fools still have an itching to deride,
And fain would be upon the laughing side.
If Maevius scribble in Apollo’s spite, (M. a minor Roman poet ridiculed by Horace and Virgil)
There are, who judge still worse than he can write.
Some have at first for Wits, then Poets past,
Turn’d Critics next, and prov’d plain fools at last.
Some neither can for Wits nor Critics pass,
As heavy mules are neither horse nor ass.
Those half-learn’d witlings, num’rous in our isle,
As half-form’d insects on the banks of Nile;
Unfinish’d things, one knows not what to call,
Their generation’s so equivocal:
To tell’em, would a hundred tongues require,
Or one vain wit’s, that might a hundred tire.”
Now I have found a couple of Russians that can beat up on my favorite Empire whipping boy of the moment, Charles Darwin. However at least the first one (Peter Kropotkin…haven’t gotten to Tcherneshevsky yet……..) is so gentle and nice that he is 99% leading by alternative evidence example, and only occasionally reminding the reader of that prophet of dog eat dog competition he so ably disproves by innumerable examples from the animal and the human world.
Here’s how he ends the 2nd of 2 chapters on the animal world, before moving on to primitive Man:
“…………………………………………………………… All that natural selection can do
in times of calamities is to spare the individuals endowed with the greatest
endurance for privations of all kinds. So it does among the Siberian horses and
cattle. They are enduring; they can feed upon the Polar birch in case of need;
they resist cold and hunger. But no Siberian horse is capable of carrying half the
weight which a European horse carries with ease; no Siberian cow gives half the
amount of milk given by a Jersey cow, and no natives of uncivilized countries can
bear a comparison with Europeans. They may better endure hunger and cold,
but their physical force is very far below that of a well-fed European, and their
intellectual progress is despairingly slow. “Evil cannot be productive of good,” as
Tchernyshevsky wrote in a remarkable essay upon Darwinism.(42*)
Happily enough, competition is not the rule either in the animal world or in
mankind. It is limited among animals to exceptional periods, and natural selection
finds better fields for its activity. Better conditions are created by the elimination
of competition by means of mutual aid and mutual Support.(43*) In the great
struggle for life — for the greatest possible fullness and intensity of life with the
least waste of energy — natural selection continually seeks out the ways precisely
for avoiding competition as much as possible. The ants combine in nests and
nations; they pile up their stores, they rear their cattle — and thus avoid
competition; and natural selection picks out of the ants’ family the species which
know best how to avoid competition, with its unavoidably deleterious
consequences. Most of our birds slowly move southwards as the winter comes,
or gather in numberless societies and undertake long journeys — and thus avoid
competition. Many rodents fall asleep when the time comes that competition
should set in; while other rodents store food for the winter, and gather in large
villages for obtaining the necessary protection when at work. The reindeer, when
the lichens are dry in the interior of the continent, migrate towards the sea.
Buffaloes cross an immense continent in order to find plenty of food. And the
beavers, when they grow numerous on a river, divide into two parties, and go,
the old ones down the river, and the young ones up the river and avoid
competition. And when animals can neither fall asleep, nor migrate, nor lay in
stores, nor themselves grow their food like the ants, they do what the titmouse
does, and what Wallace (Darwinism, ch. v) has so charmingly described: they
resort to new kinds of food — and thus, again, avoid competition.(44*)“Don’t
compete! — competition is always injurious to the species, and you have plenty of
resources to avoid it!”(Bro: if only the fake illuminati would heed Kropotkin!…no crisis.)
That is the tendency of nature, not always realized in full,
but always present. That is the watchword which comes to us from the bush, the
forest, the river, the ocean. “Therefore combine — practice mutual aid! That is the
surest means for giving to each and to all the greatest safety, the best guarantee
of existence and progress, bodily, intellectual, and moral.” That is what Nature
teaches us; and that is what all those animals which have attained the highest
position in their respective classes have done. That is also what man — the most
primitive man — has been doing; and that is why man has reached the position
upon which we stand now, as we shall see in the subsequent chapters devoted
to mutual aid in human societies.”
Next comes 6-7 chapters on humans, which touch upon many Vineyard themes, including some of Dennis’ that sometimes have me scratching my head (!!!!) at times (????) and wondering where his sources are. Wherever they are, he will find Kropotkin agreeable in his study of wider clans and sharing of bodies and roles, before the patriarchal family separated itself more from the communal groups where aunts and uncles were also fathers and mothers to numerous children.
Same with Martin. I thought K would grate on M, and other leftists initially, but to my surprise I find K mentioning numerous examples of “communistic” cooperation in primitive, medieval, and even modern societies in these chapters of his written a decade or two before 1917.
Also refining my idea of what “anarchist” means. Antonsen used to put me off with his anarchism, before it was presented to me as “every man his own king, without external dominator”. Kroptkin as “anarchist” is certainly a promoter of mutual aid and cooperation, and hardly a promoter of chaos or Hobbes’ war of “each against all”. Now I can no longer dismiss everyone labelled or self-labelled “anarchist” as a nut case. Kropotkin is the opposite, IMHO.
All for now.
Bro
I use to read your posts in the war-rooms also and appreciate them as well. Here in the Cafe is peace (relatively) and the posts have other colors. By the way, I’m glad you posted the excerpts from Kropotkin, hence saving me time and your comments on it are great, a delight for me to read.
Verses ? I have some in the pocket, ready for the Cafe, in advance.
Totally hilarious….from RI
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/brilliant-german-politician-mocks-pc-addresses-parliament-60-different-genders-video
Whoever said it was going to be heavy on Wednesday described my day described my day of “Saturn in Sagittarius to the World.” The army of evil was hitting me heavy. The meeting I led that evening on “what is a person?” went well but not without inner turmoil and angst.
Yesterday was cloudy to fit the occasion but today is as it should be: sunny at around 80 F. So is my mood and activity of watering my ex’s plants and trees, about 200 mostly in pots around my moveable, sizable cart. I am now catching up with the moveable cafe news. I also try to read the war room but seldom comment anymore. I did notice Bro’s appearance there.
I feel now more in tune with T13’s Moon tags in passing Scorpio Mars, “you’re it.” Just too precious for adult children. And for the grown-ups: Moon’s Monthly consummation on Solstice Stage; Sag Saturn she tweeks on her way to Summer Solstice weeks, posing on one foot and diving in waters cool and deep–is precious, nutritious, delicious.
Bro’s reprise of Kropotkin is a revelation. I never trusted Darwin and now I know why. I agree that the snows and storms of N. Eurasia makes Darwinism look insane and satanic. And speaking of precious moments: Bro’s wife saying she already read and loved the book makes me want to hug her in the Snows of Kilimanjaro, with Hemingway to the right and Bro the chaperon to my left. “Avoid competition” is a revelatory manifesto, applicable right there. Not to worry, Bro: I’m no competition.
Speaking of the Brothers Karamazov, and the Sacred Mass(culine) of Feminism, I appreciated the jab at the NWO’s abandonment program as a monster daddy issue. Also, the update on act, emotion and thought, where spirit relates to emotion and heart. Spirit has always been a conundrum in the Trinity of Father and Son. Spirit? Emotion? Can God emote? The one short, .666 is intriguing as the NWO Psychopath’s Cafe. A dark mirror for ours?
ioan and T13 get in the last words, for now. What is new in that? Ioan on war as cleaning house (as he does for mom); and T13 moons’s to the sixty genders in Germany is just too much to process for my addled brain. Time to break and nap if I can; but with my brain cell spinning it may not happen.
Thanks for the herstory lesson, one and all.
Hi all. Well, to take a lively conversation and dull it down a little, I thought I’d include this article from “Foreign Affairs” on Germany’s global role. :-)
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Infoservice/Presse/Interview/2016/160615_Namensartikel_ForeignAffairs.html
It lays out some specific terms of a unique foreign policy for Germany. It is very complex and delicate, but I suppose that reflects the complexity of the situation right now. In terms of relations with Russia, I think we will have to watch Putin and Lavrov for indications of whether Germany is able to build a functioning relationship with them. It won’t be easy within the framework expressed in this article (in my opinion!)
@ S113
Without the benefit of reading your link (which I thank you and will read sometime later) I have started having strong doubts about Germany’s intentions towards Russia. After all, pre-1990 Germany was all for deeper EU integration but that policy suffered a sudden volte-face after reunification in favour of absorbing Eastern Europe and of which Germany was the main driver. The German ruling elite knew that the opportunity had arrived to pivot East towards Russia and achieve, under the protection of Nato, what Hitler had failed.
That explains the ambivalent posture presented by Merkel and her subservient ministers and the pretence that the anti-Russian sanctions are the work of the Yanks alone.
@Parfois
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You raise several key points. Since I’ve complained repeatedly that the German govt won’t talk openly about its foreign policy, I felt I should post this. :-) The good news is that a European vassal state is expressing an independent foreign policy. I think we’d all agree that this is an extremely positive sign! Here’s what I concluded from this:
With Russia, there is a re-framing of this issue to a rift between Russia vs. the EU and US – no offence to Germany directly. Very delicate parsing down of this, to dismiss direct conflict between Russia and Germany!
Germany’s opposition to entering the war in Iraq is raised, with pride, to directly show that Germany will not automatically follow NATO into a Russia vs. the EU and US fight. Which doesn’t involve Germany. Delicate positioning.
And criticism is leveled at the US and the EU. Germany aligns itself with Obama but not with the neocons, and with a unified Europe, but not with the EU. While still being in an alliance with the US and the EU.
Having said that, there is still the reference to annexation of Crimea which is clearly false. This makes me wonder if Germany has enough political clout to pull off this very careful separation. Only Russia can decide that, I think. I’ve noticed that aggression in the context of Russia is positioned as natural, understandable conflicts arising from Russia standing up to the US. Germany has done this in s few instances. This seems to be their response to accusations of Russian aggression which I’m sure their diplomats hear from many members of the EU. This is very delicate, but I think the German diplomatic army is encouraging other European countries to let the US, EU and Russia work out their differences, and just stay out of it. Focus on national interests and partnering with other European countries, in your own interests.
On another war-room thread, somebody stated that the Germans will never go to war with Russia, saying that some 70%of the population thinks this way. Well, there’s the trap : if you don’t want to fight Russia then why you accept your government impotence in providing liberty and independence to your own country ? You (referring to Germans)don’t want any fight, do you ? just leave us alone and rot ? So, what is my presumption : – if they will be drafted and given the order to go against Russia, they will do it 70%, if they will go against their own government to fight for independence, they will do it 30%
Would not the new EU Mogherini defence and security policyctake precedent one wonders?
This is a very good point. I think it’s supposed to but Germany is not cooperating? Thus, the expression of an independent German foreign policy (which technically isn’t allowed? :-) If it wasn’t so serious, this would be amusing.
I’ve been trying to ‘think between the lines’ with all the German foreign policy materials I’ve been reading. (Steinmeier blasted the NATO exercises in Poland in the Bild am Sonntag newspaper today too.) Do you think Germany is developing a proposal to use the European army to militarily take Ukraine? Without involving Russia or NATO – just in the name of European security of something (I am sure the diplomats will find some way to explain this!)
Maybe a coalition of Germany, Austria, Hungary, Switzerland? And France, if Merkel can convince Hollande? Does this seem possible?
A little more fuel to add to this fire… Steinmeier met with Poland and Czech republic in past few days. Emphasised friendship / friendship agreements.
Merkel hosted PM of Georgia. So…. Today, Kiev, then tomorrow, Ankara??
No need to migrate to Germany, Germany and other countries from Europe may come to you! Minsk agreements get implemented. Pipelines get approved. Everything generally calms the —- down. Could it be??
While giving “fairly light” sentences to English and French football fans for the violence at Euro 2016. French courts have given Russian fans harsh sentences,one of 2 years. Why the Russians tolerate such bias is totally beyond my understanding.Its past time to “wise-up” and give up on the idea of “friendship” with “any” EU country. Having a business relationship (maybe) is possible .But any other relationship other than that is just a sad foolish dream.
@ Uncle Bob
It’s beyond the pale, I would call it masochism. I always thought the bear was a proud animal, maybe it’s about time another, more docile, mascot be adopted.
Rus going to appeal cos accused were not allowed any legal representation.
Meanwhile…
…to the ‘nothing to do with Islam’ regressive-left crowd, Muslims don’t kill people, Guns kill people. Solution? Ban all guns! – A nutter (with a mental health history, psychotherapy, medication, the full nine…) shoots an MP in broad daylight in England, which is clearly impossible because “guns don’t exist” in the UK thanks to their draconian gun-ban /end heavy sarc.
[For reference only] Labour MP Jo Cox dies after being shot and stabbed as husband urges people to ‘fight against the hate’ that killed her
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-leeds-witnesses-report/
The victim was also stabbed on top of being shot, but the liberals can’t spin that as banning blades/knives either, because – oops! – that was already done years ago… who is to blame for the tragedy? Wait for it…
…Brexit (!?)
The whole media is working their butts-off trying to pin it on a “political motivated” attack that links her killer and the shooting, just mere hours (less than two, btw) since the incident was first announced.
But, since blaming Brexit (or Brexit supporters) is proving too difficult to nail down, they’re looking for links to the “far-right,” allegedly, to a group called Britain First.
Even though they have no knowledge of this guy and his own neighbors already went on record stating that they’ve never noticed the guy had any political inclination of any kind.
Early reports (that are swiftly being swept under the carpet) said; there was an altercation between two men arguing outside a place where she was meeting members of her constituency, on her way out, she heard the argument and tried to intervene and diffuse the situation, the then to-be-shooter turned on her instead (according to witnesses).
Additionally; going back to media looking for a motive to pin the blame on, since the suspect is alive an in police custody [I believe is different, from a legal stand point if the suspect was dead], there’s a good chance he’ll be facing trail at some point in the future. In this regard there are quite restrictive laws in the UK on the media to even make suggestions about ‘motives’ since it’s considered a way of trying to influence a possible future trial. The media still do it, of course, but they’re usually far more sneaky about it than in this particular case.
Last but not least; the whole Brexit/Remain campaigning was halted – with a week to go for the actual voting – in order to show respect for the victim.
I do wonder if some random Senator/Congressman gets shot in the US, with one week to go for the big presidential elections, the whole campaigning, on both sides, btw, would screech to halt. I somewhat doubt it. At best they’ll do a minute of silence, lay some flowers, light a couple of candles, and then get the hell on with business. The point being; a general election that comes only once in four years is far more important than someone getting shot, however tragic someone getting needlessly shot may be.
This referendum is even more important than a US general election, since the Brits have been waiting for this for near to 40 years, never mind four!
But no! The almighty media has spoken: the killing of the one person if far more important than the future of the population of an entire nation. So the referendum campaigning must wait, because after such a tragedy (and this is sort of a quote from a presstitute) it puts all trivialities [meaning the referendum] into the right perspective, doesn’t it?
My opinion: no it freakin’ doesn’t.
-TL2Q
Like the Trump/Clinton pantomime – Brexit is neither here nor there.
It doesn’t matter…Nationalist & Globalist bad guys are all still bad.
Watching US off official rhetoric, we seem to be taking two steps forward, then a pause then another two steps forward towards nuclear WWIII. I keep scanning the MSM headlines for a game changer that means we are not going to war, but always, when anything happens, the two steps forward.
[Part II from my previous post – this is the following day]
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What is happening here is the exact reverse of what happened to Trump and his comments on the Orlando shootings, where essentially, all he said was “I told you so.” And to be fair to him: he did!
He’s been saying it from day one and he has every right to rub it on people’s faces when what he’s been trying to warn everybody about, finally happens.
But no, the media and the whole political establishment went in unison for Trump’s jugular; ‘how dare he try to make political capital out of such a tragedy,’ the regressive-left, neo-cons, MSM and even the “alternative” media all cried at the same time…
….goes to show on what side they’re all are, but in any case…
Even Obongo jumped on the Trump-bashing bandwagon while addressing his nation about the shootings, even though this ‘Trump issue’ should be no skin off his nose. He’s on the way out, what’s it to him, anyway?
What is happening in UK is the very opposite of that; the media and the whole Eurowhore establishment are in fact quite intentionally “making political capital” against Brexit out of the killing of this MP: the referendum campaign has been halted (don’t get me started on that), there’s been wall-to-wall coverage (for two days in a row, uninterruptedly) of an individual, however lovely she might have been, but quite frankly, there can’t possibly be THIS much to say about her or her killing in general.
This has to be the biggest, longest and most public eulogy a non-high profile person in history ever had (and I wish I was exaggerating!).
It shows clearly that it doesn’t matter who is saying what, or for what reasons, nor how similar events might mirror each other; the only constant is the pre-approved by the establishment general consensus.
In this particular two cases it boils down to this: making political capital against Brexit out of a random MP getting shot by an equally random mentally ill person [who, so far, has no credible links, nor has been showed to have inclinations towards Brexit] = good.
It’s the only sensible way, you understand… to deal with this horrible tragedy and this lady’s memory (which is rapidly approaching sainthood-heights hype as I typing this).
None of this has absolutely anything to do with sabotaging the UK leaving the EU – just as several polls revealed only two (or maybe three) days ago a humiliating lead for Brexit over the Remaniacs.
Noooo… nothing to with that at all!
Yet, as they’re saying that to you with a straight face, the whole pro-EU crowd are also implying this has everything to do with those “haters” on the Brexit-side, and of course, they’re all to blame for inciting “hatred,” and therefor they’re, naturally, all collectively guilty for the killing of this ‘Diana 2.0’ MP lady.
On the other hand… we have the establishment telling us that…
Trump, making “political capital” out of something he’s been warning everybody all along (Orlando shootings) = bad.
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[A couple of headlines:]
‘Making political capital out of this is disgusting’: Labour MP faces backlash after appearing on Newsnight to criticise Leave campaign’s ‘dangerous material’ just hours after Jo Cox’s tragic murder
“He appeared to criticise Leave Campaign’s ‘dangerous material’ on Newsnight
Labour MP Neil Coyle criticised for trying to ‘politicise’ murder of Jo Cox.
37-year-old is accused of ‘making political capital’ out of colleague’s death [..]”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3645914/Making-political-capital-disgusting-Labour-MP-faces-backlash-appearing-Newsnight-criticise-Leave-campaign-s-dangerous-material-just-hours-Jo-Cox-s-tragic-murder.html
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EXCLUSIVE – Jo Cox Friend And Eyewitness: ‘Immoral’ For Her To Be Used As Referendum ‘Token’
“BIRSTALL, United Kingdom – A friend, fellow Labour Party campaigner, and eyewitness to the murder of Member of Parliament Jo Cox has told Breitbart London that he does not believe her murder should be used as a “token” for “political ego” in the referendum campaign [..]”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/exclusive-jo-cox-friend-eyewitness-immoral-used-referendum-token/
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-TL2Q
remain, remain, go, go
https://www.theguardian.com/money/work-blog/2013/jan/24/europe-legacy-uk-workplaces
@ Anon: “remain, remain, go, go [+ Guardian link]”
(Try not to laugh folks…)
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Oh! Give it rest already!
Which I’m guessing you’re the same as the previous summer-fly Anon [June 17, 2016 · 7:41 am UTC] – (and if you’re not: Well! Pick a name for yourself already, so people can tell you apart!)
But in any case, you’re quoting the Guardian (of all news papers!)… LoL! – No! Seriously?!?
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Guardian wastes no time in turning tragedy into politcal capital
“Less than 24 hours after the violent death of the Labour MP Jo Cox, the Guardian has unleashed two editorials that seek to pin the blame, not on the suspect currently in custody, but on the people campaigning for Britain to leave the EU [..]”
https://off-guardian.org/2016/06/17/guardian-wastes-no-time-in-turning-tragedy-into-politcal-capital/
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-TL2Q
There’s no democracy just dictatorship of the Capitalist Oligarchy in the UK.
Here’s another – the UK is the hornet’s nest of Capitalsm http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jan/19/david-cameron-pledges-popular-capitalism
Prime minister blames Labour for ‘turbo-capitalism’ of recent decades and says Tories are best placed to lead new type of capitalism
Tories/Labour – that your non-choice.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for. Give me anything but the UK as an independent nation…even Global Capitalist’s are better than this scum.
remain, remain, go, go.
@ Anon:
Whatever you say, dude, you’re just blabbing incoherently at this point…
Since you like quoting the Guardian so much, why not quote this guy, writing from the Guardian, btw…
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I like the EU, but I’m voting out
“[..] Why? I know a painter/decorator who has not been able to raise his wages for 15 years. There’s always someone else, he says, willing to work for less. A driver who arrived from Turkey 18 years ago, who says the bus companies used to pay more than £12 an hour, but can now pay £10 or less because they have so many takers (and yes, the irony is noted). A care-home cleaner in a rundown seaside town who reckons her hopes of ever getting more than the minimum wage are zero. Each blames an influx of workers from the EU. Each of them are voting out. Tell them the EU protects workers’ rights and they just laugh.
When companies launch recruitment drives in eastern Europe they blame skills shortages in Britain. Really? If a big business wants to hire, say, drivers on £25 an hour, it will find it can do so easily; what they really mean is that they can’t find people willing to work for £10 an hour or less, with antisocial hours to boot. Meanwhile, workers here rejecting low wages are told they are lazy, chavvy and feckless when they refuse to be part of the so-called “jobs factory of Europe”.
Meanwhile, as wages for people in low-income groups are pegged back, rents rise [..]”
“Rents in parts of the country are at catastrophic levels, snatching as much as 60% of pay. Migration is only part of the reason why that is happening. But when George Osborne declares house prices will fall by 18% if Britain quits, he’s giving the game away. He is saying membership of the EU keeps prices and rents much higher than they would otherwise be. Young people struggling with ludicrous rents, take note [..]”
https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2016/jun/18/eu-vote-brexit-working-people-rents-wages
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So, basically, what Remaniacs like yourself are saying, essentially is… , the working-class, whether they’re natives or not, every single last one of them!
people who don’t own their own homes outright and have to pay extortionate prices on rents to already rich landlords. the young who are facing gloomy prospects and have little to no hopes of ever getting on the so-called “property ladder.” them all, because you’re one of those I’m all right Jack types (aren’t you?) and to hell with the “under achievers” who just happened to be born after you lot did.
I see… :/
Say no more.
Oh, and I’m sure you’ll be delighted to hear Brexit is still surging in the polls, regardless of the death of ‘Saint’ Jo Cox.
-TL2Q
PS: Now! Where did I put that Raid flying insect killer spray?
“people who don’t own their own homes outright and have to pay extortionate prices on rents to already rich landlords”
Geez, you finally got it & then forgot what you’d just noticed.
The problem is not the EU – it is Capitalism.
You argue against a race to the bottom (of wages) by building walls so the dogs of Capitalism are bound in their exploitation…it’s a pathetic argument.
The poor, uneducated labourer from the East of Europe is due the same reward as the poor, uneducated labourer from Walsall. The Bulgarian bricklayer will, of course, try to raise himself from poverty by movement – it is not his fault.
I prefer to have my Bulgarian brother benefit at my expense but you focus on the wrong issue – neither I nor my Bulgarian brother need suffer – the cause of which suffering is Capitalism and it’s competitve exploitation of labour in its aim of profit maximisation.
The home ownership you refer to is just symptomatic of the disease – home ownership should be outlawed replaced by social housing.
I’m only too aware Brexit seems inevitable.
PS:
Here’s a decent facebook posting I recently noticed for your amusement, not:
“I think I’ve changed my mind about border control. I think we should close our borders completely now, for about a year. With any luck, that will stop the England fans coming back. I also think the French people should make it very clear that the English hooligans (and of course they will assume that all England fans are hooligans) aren’t welcome there. So eventually all the England fans will end up sitting in makeshift accommodation in Calais waiting for their applications for citizenship to be processed.
Refugees? Why yes; I’d never thought of it like that. They’ll be refugees. And then of course we can all point out that a large number of them are young men and not women or children, and speculate about how they’re only coming here to spread their intolerance and violence throughout our otherwise peaceful and civilised society. And this time the point will be valid.
The other thing about these hooligans, of course, is that the large buildings in which they worship and in which their faith in their violent and divisive beliefs are intensified are everywhere in Britain now. So where are the campaigns to stop more football stadia being built?
Wait; this isn’t fair. Most football fans are perfectly nice, decent, peaceful folk. Some of my best friends go to football matches. We can’t be blaming the sport of football for what is obviously a bunch of violent arseholes looking for an excuse. What sort of idiot would see a small number of violent arseholes and assume that the entire culture they claim to represent is to blame?”
PPS: Now! Where did I put that Raid flying insect killer spray?
PPPS: remain, remain, go, go.
@ Anon:
“I’m only too aware Brexit seems inevitable [..]”
Well! At last we agree on something! Whether Brexit happens due to the referendum or not, the issue is not going away, it will keep coming back.
The EU is likely to implode financially in the next 12 to 24 months. And in any case, there’s a line of countries wishing to exit anyway even if ‘Brexit’ doesn’t happen: Netherlands, Germany, France, newly joined by Greece and no-doubt plenty of others will join-in the anti-EU movemnet, eventually.
Switzerland already voted by withdrawing their long-standing application to join the EU. They want nothing to do with it, and I don’t blame them.
“You argue against a race to the bottom (of wages) by building walls so the dogs of Capitalism are bound in their exploitation…it’s a pathetic argument [etc-etc]”
First of all, I can’t care less about your Bulgarian “brothers,” second of all; I’m in favor of Social Democracy [politically speaking I’m just a notch, but not by much, below being a Communist], that’s why I hate to witness succesuful Social Democracies being destroyed by the EU, btw, in Scandinavian countries, particularly.
So, do stop making assumptions, that me, or anybody else on this site are blissfully unaware of the ills of Capitalism. Because, generally, most people posting in a site like this one, are well informed.
Aaaand then there’s even more assumptions on your part that a give three hoots about hooligans, or sports in general. Ban them all for all I care, including, *Oh-gasp* the goddamn Olympics too.
If anything, I’m sick and tired of the ‘weekly sports news reports’ getting on the way of the real news (which the MSM suppress anyway, their tactics of reporting non-issues like sports, is just one of the many ploys they use), and while we’re at it… let’s get rid of every half-hour weather reports that go-on on air for longer than 10 seconds too.
-TL2Q
“I can’t care less about your Bulgarian “brothers”
If that’s so you’re a lot more than a notch away from Communist – removed. Stop personally attacking other commenters.Mod – most are though.
PS: i’ll now be more than surprised by a Brexit – not that it matters one way or other.
Belarus and Russia reacting together to NATO alignment
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/06/17/together-against-nato-russia-moves-forces-to-belarusian-ukrainian-border.html
Greetings from Bekaa and Baalbek! The most friendly people in Lebanon with difference! Wonderful mosque with shrine of Hussein’ s daughter. They were so friendly letting us go into, despite the insecurity they live in…..
How is all around here?
I am coming soon.
Hugs!
elsi!! great to hear from you. Wonderful expereinces you’re having. We missed you! come back safely.
V
Take care elsi. Hope to hear from you soon. You’ve had a rare experience, congratulations. Best wishes.
First posr didn’t go through, so here goes again –
Welcome back Elsi!!
Full lowdown on El Libnan when you get a chance..
Hugs
Surprising media criticism from zio-rag Breitbart – and an interview with just-returned from Moscow Sharryl Atkisson.
It seems control over media narratives by the elites us slipping…who would have thought the celebrity-worshipping, wealth-aspiring US public would finally realise the rich are the enemy?
the link:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/17/sharyl-attkisson-media-distorting-facts-to-serve-world-elites/