2016/10/17 17:00:02
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On War Criminals Pointing Ensanguined Fingers
Oh Deep in the State are Rulers Sociopathic
Who Indulge in a Sophisticated kind o’ Slapstick:
See, they’re only Playing a Game,
Where Mangled Pawns get th’Blame,
‘Cause Masses in Misery get their Portfolios Thick.
Oh, excellently done. If only I could get my thoughts to fit so fine in five fine lines.
A very interesting Cross Talk last night. While I feel flattered that something I said months ago was shown there (not that anyone couldn’t have guessed it as well). The most Russophobic candidate will win the election (barring a miracle). Trump though has surprised me. He has broken with that truism. And instead advocated for friendship with Russia. The sane policy, and that truly surprises me.
But more important in the program, were some statements by Dimitry Babich, the one Russian on the show last night. He said several things that while they are “well known” throughout Russia. Are down played constantly among some of us. He said, “80% of the quality newspapers (in Russia) are dominated by the pro-American Liberals”. And even more troubling, when he was asked why Russia puts up with the US actions, he said “Because the Russian elite has no other options, unfortunately. Our elite is dominated by the people who want an agreement with the West. That has been the policy for 25 or 28 years now. And it’s very difficult to change the paradigm. So our Minister, Lavrov, keeps trying, despite the fact it was the American side that ended the negotiations”. The failure to see that agreements on equal terms are impossible with the West and to change that “paradigm” is very, very frightening. Those are the facts that need to be changed if Russia is to be able to win this crisis, and more importantly, to survive as an independent state. It would seem to me that this is as plain a fact as could be seen. Why it’s not, is the most troubling issue. If your “elite” can not “bring” themselves to be patriotic, then the obvious answer is to “change” your elite.
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/362987-russia-us-relations-abyss/
Watching that talk-show, I was asking myself why is that so now, I mean today, after the Parliamentary elections, the situation is still moving nowhere. I thought that everything will change after this elections, Mr.Putin has a comfortable majority, allowing him to proceed with the so highly needed reforms. Maybe – playing with the thoughts – he is waiting the results of the US elections, not willing to give yet another “target” to the Empire’s people in the last stage of that election race. The same thing with Syria, the Geneva talks have come out with no solution till today and in my opinion there will be none till the same election results will be for sure. So the timing is there, after that I can’t imagine what kind of excuses will be found to go forward with reforms in all sectors, including the media. I expect hard and thick schedule for the second half of November.
rectification : “will be found not to go forward”
From what I am aware, he has made a lot and important reforms in what is of his competence, say, army, internal and external security and foreign policy ( included change at the head of Foreign Intelligence Service ) and even in this, you must take into account that he has to pledge to the agreements so can not do what he, most probably, would wish ).
Other reforms, as those related to food sobereignity are on the go since long before the elections, I would say that since the things started to seem out of control in The Ukraine and the first sanctions were stablished.
I would advice you and all the regulars in the cafe and in the blog who seemed to have agreed today on blaming Putin for all, to save sometime from poetry ( I also love Belle Arts, but I think all should be exercised with measure and from my point of view excess is always counterproducive ) and, at least from time to time, to visit the President Putin’s site and, of course, read with the due attention what is published there.
Hello Fatima
I have a different view regarding the reforms you referred to; they all were reaction to events from outside, a pragmatic response, not defined policies for a revival of Russian sovereignty. Notice how the Russian government consistently supported western hegemony until the Ukrainian crisis in 2014, which was a bit of a ‘bridge too far’, when finally Mr Putin “discovered” that Russia was in danger. It took too long though.
New Russia is a very inegalitarian society (the worst in Europe) and that is reflected in the nature of the ruling class as a composite of capitalist and political elites – as you very well know – very similar to the ones ruling in London and Washington.
On another topic , a few weeks ago you posted a link to a movie “The Night Train to Lisbon” which I watched and commented on because it addressed onw of the issues I have been dealing with for a while: causation, epistemic choice, determinism, free will, agency, scientific materialism and structuralism. And accidence, because that was the theme of the movie. Perhaps not by coincidence, the background to the movie was the resistance to fascism which led to the revolution in 1974.
Not being very familiar with the concrete conditions that led to the revolution (which then I had thought of being not more than a coup d’état) I had done some research and found out that the revolution itself was the result of a series of events setting out a chain of causality leading to an unexpected and unsuspected denouement.
So, a sudden trip on a train turned into a journey of personal discovery and also a philosophical excursion into the sources of everything. Is there a puppetmaster pulling all strings connected to all events (phenomena) in the natural and social worlds, or all there is is a succession of causal relationships occurring by accidence (chance) independent of will or determinism?
That 1974 revolution is a case study (like the book on which the film is based) on how a banal contestation by low-rank army officers, who were displeased with a regulation enabling conscripted officers with a minimum of 3-years military service to become commissioned officers, turned into a revolution that removed a nearly 50-year old dictatorship, dismembered an empire and got very close to have the first communist government in Western Europe. It did not happen because ex-CIA-cum-ambassador Carlucci was hastily dispatched to Lisbon to restore imperial order.
That post by Fatima Manoubia, like many others, shows the potential for this Vineyard as a means of sharing and spreading knowledge as if, by the unintended consequences of a simple act, a thread is loosened and the winds of chance weave it into a web whose shape or function nothing can predict. I even found out about that writer who wrote amazing poetry and prose and managed to hide himself and his work behind dozens of pseudonyms, personae and alter egos whose name was Pessoa (Person) – another discovery from that trip on the “Night Train to Lisbon”.
Thanks Fatima for your reply, I am aware of the reforms made in the army, security services and foreign policy. I am telling you straight : getting rid of the 5th column elements and establishing total control over the Central Bank and Russia’s economy. That is what I’m referring to. Of course I “dare” to criticize Putin because I do very much appreciate him and I’m sure Uncle Bob 1 has the same thoughts about him, if I wouldn’t care what he’s doing and I wouldn’t care for Russia I probably wouldn’t do that. And of course I wouldn’t come here in first place. But because I consider Russia as being the flag leader for our common struggle, I can’t stay idle and watch things gone not so well. So I criticize when is the case, and appreciate when is the case. That is absolute normal that we have great expectations from Russia’s leaders, from whom else ? Hillary, Merkel, Hollande, and many others, you name it ? As for poetry, stay tuned, I won’t do that for long…
Given your comment about the Russian Duma elections being over, adn why has Putin not acted on his party’s huge majority – I think you need to give a fair bit more time.
The election was a mere few days ago really
Politics – especially enacting change – is like diplomacy and getting things done at the UN, “It’s like elephants mating: It all takes place a very high level, there is a lot of noise and excitement, and it takes years to get the result.”.”
Exactly Isabella, it’s taking time, it’s taking years, you say. What I am fighting against (between other things) is this : time. The time is double edged sword in itself for someone who use it as that. You can win very fast but you can also loose very slow. Even the reverse is possible. That’s why is dangerous. The people’s life is but limited. I heard many times in my life this term :” wait for the better”, here I am over 60 and still waiting for the better, but it’s not just me, there are billions out there. Take the ww2 Russian veterans for example : they have sacrificed their life’s, their property, their family, fought the war and after that rebuild their country. Do the survivals have enough time to wait for the better ? So, dear Isabella, the question of timing is not so simple cause the pressure of it is felt much harder at the bottom than on the top.
Things take as long as they take.
You know, this “why haven’t they achieved Nirvana, they’ve had all of 16 yrs” meme really rocks me sometimes?.
I tell you what. You go take [another? can I assume you have taken one already?] look at the documentary “The Unknown Putin” – all 5 episode, for free, on YouTube.
Get a sense, see, the appalling mess and degradation Russia had been left in, the neglect, the losses, the poverty and widespread sense of hopelessness and death. Then look at it now and remind yourself, keep saying it over and over again – they’ve come this far in 16 yrs. And was this an easy 16 yrs? A 16 yrs of unobstructed growth in a world at peace? They’ve been under external attack from Day 1, given that the wars in Chechnya were American inspired and backed, as Afghanistan [where the USSR was invited in to help by the beleaguered government] way back in 1999.
And now, they’ve had, Putin has had – wow, 16 whole years, to pull a country back from not just circling the drain but half way down it.
But it hasn’t done enough?, you say .
I feel you are suggesting that Russia should pull up developing roots to see if the growth is coming along, as a child might get impatient that the seeds he planted haven’t sprouted yet, so he pulls up the plant to see what’s taking so long – and kills the plant in the process.
It takes 9 months to go from fertilization to a human child. And all the bitching in the world about “time, we feel it more, it’s not fair” cannot and will not change that.
But heaping blame from the sidelines on those carrying inhuman levels of responsibility and doing their very best isn’t going to help either.
Now you are turning the things upside down from within putting me in a chair where I’m not. Who is blaming ? I use criticism in a fairly reasonable way. Please don’t try to misinterpret my words.
In what way am I “trying” to turn your words upside down. I have no idea what you are talking about. Your accusation however implies a dishonourable attempt on my part – that is something I take very seriously. I have made no attempt to anything to your words – they are yours, my interpretation of them is mine, and is honest and honourable.
“But heaping blame from the sidelines on those carrying inhuman levels of responsibility and doing their very best isn’t going to help either.” these are your words.
Martin used to extol the “Unknown Putin” to me – but after looking at the rates for Russian Programers he stopped. He left here soon after.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
“I have no idea what you are talking about.”
Apologies – it was related to this /grandmaster-putin-grandiose-multi-step-operation-lasting-16-years/comment-page-1/#comment-250435
“So, what is the average income for Russians?
How expensive is life in Russia?
I know from my own attempts to find a job there that outside the american metropoles like Moscow or Leningrad the wages for a sophisticated programmer are hardly above 300 EUR per month and never exceeed 400 EUR per month.
I give a #$% on such polished GDB number in any country, because that only says if money is available in a country. But it says nothing about who gets and who steals it.
What is big Oligarchy-barrier Putin doing against the 5th column pro-western dual citizen Oligarchs in Russia?????
And where are his plans to undo the theft of the 90ties?”
Elites are not patriotic, or rather their patriotism tends to be limited to the places they can keep their wealth safe. The only solution would be to make things very unpleasant for them and force them out, but they won’t take it lying down, you can be sure. I suppose something will have to give and something will snap one way or another. The Financial Times was just openly calling for the Russian oligarcs to engineer a coup to “save” Russia. Check it out: https://www.ft.com/content/0b3a1bf3-c91a-34a9-b14f-917486ab4669
Either they try something like that (but of course ther is a big risk; if their coup fails they may not make it out alive) or things will just continue to deteriorate until some kind of Russian capitulation that does not involve excessive humiliation is arranged, and then we will be entering the truly dystopic unipolar world of tyranny by capitalists for the foreseeable future. If that happens, the life expectancy gap between elites and working class may very well be 20 or 30 years within a decade or two from now. It is already very large, this gap, I think about 10-15 years as can be seen by the difference between neighborhoods of a single metropolitan area separated by large class differences. Dystopic predictions made by thinkers in the past to the effect that eventually the human species will split (biologically) along class lines may not be that farfetched.
So what’s at stake in this fight (there IS a war fight on) is really a hell of a lot. The problem is that Russia does not have an alternative to the current system of strict economic-class dictatorship euphemistically called “liberal democracy”. From what I can see, Russia’s social thinkers mumble vague incantations about a return to spirituality and traditional values and so on. All that is cute, but as long as it is considered normal that capital ownership and the means of production in a society are controled by a small elite minority, it matters little weather the Russians that belong to that minority are satisfied or not.
Prospects are extremely bleak. Massive silent class genocide by sheer exploitation of a work-slave class will continue to grow. Those on whom marxist/communist ideas provoke anxiety and aprehension, should pause for a second to think about this question: Why did post WW2 working conditions and labor laws in the West deteriorate so rapidly after the Soviet Union disintegrated? Could it be that what kept those conditions from continuing as they were pre-WW2 was the existence of the Soviet block? Do western people really know how conditions were like in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union from 1950 till the late 80s? The answer is they don’t. And I mean they are convinced it was totally horrible, mainly because the amount of propaganda to which they were subjected is so massive as to be incomprehensible to them.
Why do you think they are trying to shut down RT? It is not very radical as an alternative media source. In fact it is rather meek. But it is getting a bit too popular, and they want to have the whole attention of the lobotomized patient forever.
@ Anonymous
I think you’ve answered many questions about the speed of power and wealth polarization after the dissolution of the USSR. It stares in the face ofe anyone who bothers to look, a first taste of things to come in the shape of a truly Orwellian world ruled by a repressive regime imposed by the dominant ideology of inequality and enforced by the apparatus of a police state. Notice in particular how the police forces are being militarized and trained by Israeli specialists to supress dissent.
Generally an excellent comment.
To add – a family member, studying Biological Chemistry, worked University placement in a law firm specialising in Biotech Intellectual Property / Patents. From “general” discussions at dinner times, he is convinced near immortality enhancements/treatments are now within the 10 year timeframe.
Very good latest article by Mercouris on the Duran re impotence of Kerry Johnson after latest London fiasco meeting etc…astute article.
Uncle Bob, ioan, I wonder if the issue is that Russia’s elites view themselves as Europeans? I say that having no evidence to back it up. But Putin’s commitment to that economic and security zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok suggests that the elites may be very attached to their Western European neighbours, even if they are growing more disgusted with the USA. In this Crosstalk, Dmitry Babich said that negative views of America are at an all-time high. Which leaves grand old Europe as the remaining West for the political class to be attached to. Perhaps the elites do not like to think of themselves as Asians. So maybe Putin is waiting for the US election, and some of the upcoming national elections in Europe to rearrange the pieces on the chessboard.
On a side note, Manuel Valls is an embarrassment to Francophones. What were they thinking sending him to Canada where the Francophone population is not quite as fiercely muzzled as in the EU. I’m not French-Canadian, but I can’t imagine his absolute subservience was well-received by those who are.
Your question, dear S113 implies another questions : who are the elites ? could we categorize them in those who are pro-Putin and those who are not ? probably yes. Then those who are not, they are globalists and pro-western as their agenda shows. Those in the pro-Putin camp, they are nationalists (in the good sense) and pro-Russia. But, the cultural heritage of Russia is another thing for discussion and I think we had such discussion here some time ago.
True, Babich does not specify who these elites are specifically. So lets assume you and I are both referring to Babich’s undefined group of Russian elites. Whoever they are. :-)
I was suggesting that both groups, the pro-Russian nationalists and the pro-western globalists may wish to maintain a close tie with Europe (as in the Lisbon to Vladivostok economic and security zone). If there is a consensus, more or less, on this topic, then who is Putin supposed to “clean out” in order to change it? Of course, traitors should be cleaned out. But what I was saying is that perhaps even among the pro-Russian nationalists, there is a wish to remain close to Europe. And maybe even among the European business owners and some other leaders, there is the same desire.
I’m not raising the topic of the cultural heritage of Russia. I’m raising the subject of who Russia’s elites identify with, or how they view themselves, whether that image matches correctly with the cultural heritage or not. If they see themselves as part of Europe, and have close ties with Europeans from other countries, then they may be less likely to abandon the European countries, even if some of those countries are asking to be rejected!!
@ Uncle Bob
Congratulations! Also for improving the readability of your comments by inserting a space after punctuation marks.
Maybe Marx is write after all: the infrastructure (capital) determines the form of the superstructure (the state).
The political elite is in cohorts with the Russian mafia-capitalism, which in turn is in cohorts with imperial financial capitalism. And that’s why the Russian Central Bank is part of the Wall St financial cabal.
The only thing that sustains the resistance to complete absorption of Russia as a western vassal state is the common people of Russia and that explains why Putin is so popular among the masses, and that alone may explain his apparent opposition to western hegemony.
I too found Babich’s comments curious, the more so since, me being very specific minded, it was so full of vagaries.
What and who are these “80% of Pro-western liberals”?.
What is that they do or say?
Do they have power to influence what the government can do – as he implies? If so— how? Blackmail?
Is he implying weakness and corruption at the highest level?
If it’s 80% – 80% of how many? What does this amount to in numbers? 10? 20?
And – how do they “dominate”? Again, by corruption? So he is saying all Russian newspapers are corrupt, just like the MSM of the West? Does he have proof?
And how is it that Putin could infiltrate the most corrupt weak Government ever, worst Russia has ever had, totally dominated by Oligarchs – Pro-Western ones I might add – who were bleeding Russia dry and who owned very single Duma member, and clear them out, tame them and turn around the ownership of major outlets, increase the tax take multiplie, and install law and order, yet he is incapable of handling a few Newspaper types?
You see, to me, none of this makes sense. I dont care who Dimitry Babich is, if he wants to sling off like this he needs to define his terminology, name names, and specify exactly, precisely what it is these people do that they are, apparently, running a Government we thought Putin had cleaned up. In fact – they are running Putin.
And to me, this is outright insanity.
Well said, Isabella
Babich is a fella
Can’t you tella?
Should ring a bella
Words of kindness
cloth the sword
of your clean insight.
Your short refrain but tight
I so good I think you might
Do Haiku.
Don’t forget Isabella, that Dmitry Babich is an insider, he lives in Russia and probably has more information as we have.
Babich is an “insider” you say.
Please elucidate. What is “an insider”?
How is it defined, what do you do to become one, who are other insiders and how do they get their “knowledge”
To me, just being “an insider” – whatever the blazes that is – is already suspicous.
I think maybe they carry their own agenda.
I dont care what tag Babich carries. If he wants to paint others with more vague tags, he needs to be specific and give evidence. As, indeed, do you.
Period.
Isabella
Wow ! you are very heavy today, relax. Dimitry Babich is a journalist as you may know. (that’s what an insider is – on the branch of journalism)And when he was voicing towards media being under the influence of 5th columnists he may know very well what is he speaking. If he didn’t gave any evidence (facts, names,etc), is not my problem, you need to ask him, subscribing to RT.
Uncle Bob seems a pessimist
But also a pragmatic realist
If Russia goes down the drain
Uncle’s brain proved to be sane
Motorola was assassinated, and Mr. Zakharchenko is very Very Angry. Watch and listen to him please.
Will they really take it to Kiev?
Have some coffee and talk amongst yourselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n4E_kkcpp4
I really expected to see a leading obituary here on Saker, of all sites! I can remember reading reports and interviews of the man, even videos of the hero. What is wrong, just timing, too much kaffee tischgespraeche?
Over 70% of Republicans Believe US Presidential Election Could Be Rigged
https://sputniknews.com/us/201610171046429147-us-election-trump-republicans/
“Of 1,999 registered voters surveyed from October 13 —15, 73 percent think the election could be stolen, according to the poll released by Politico/Morning Consult.
The poll also found that 41 percent of US voters say the November election could be stolen from Trump because of widespread voter fraud, with 17 percent of Democrats agreeing with the possibility of a fraud on Election Day.
Earlier on Monday, Trump claimed large-scale voter fraud was happening as the first early voting results were made public.
The US presidential election is scheduled to take place on November 8.”
See also:
Trump Claims ‘Large-Scale’ Fraud Takes Place in US Amid First Voting Results
https://sputniknews.com/us/201610171046416641-us-election-trump-pence/
I would say that the release of early voting results before the actual election day would also be “voter fraud”. Showing one or another candidate ahead from those votes is an initiation devise.Until the polls close on election day nationwide results aren’t shown,for that same reason. And yet early voting results are now being disclosed. Of course its a form of “voter fraud”. Trying to encourage the losing candidates supporters to stay home,and not “waste their time voting”. One more “democratic” system trick used in this election.If this election doesn’t show the US population the depths of political corruption in our society,nothing can.But then again in reality I’ve always said the route to real change is no different here than in other countries. Its not voting,its an “American Spring”,to emulate the “Russian Spring” we saw in Donbass in 2014.
I’m not voting this year
It’s more than I can bear
I live in the US of A
Where voting went astray
SO YOU LIKE HRC…
Mathias Döpfner at Axel Springer SE has coined a phrase which beautifully codifies the work ethics of the entire Ziomedia:
“By your Arsch, thou shalt write Scheisse”
Indeed a Chief Execrable Offal worth his salt, eh?
It’s a crying shame that the German term for their media, “Lügenpresse”, doesn’t sound in English more like its meaning – “Lying Press”.
Otherwise it is a lovely word and brilliant in its simplicity and accuracy.
Even the word “press” has another very clear and descriptive meaning: to put you down, to shape you and squash you.
This means war …
DPR president’s message to Kiev
I shared this poem just before closing time at the previous cafe.
Thinking ioan and other friends may have already left, I am reposting because it was written in response to iaon suggesting I might explain something I had written about evil. A couple of the anonymous’ didn’t take to it too well. This was my best response.
Meanwhile I am so grieving the DPR… Mosul.. and with a heavy heart seeking comfort, glad for this Saker place. CMMT is especially astute today.
K
Beyond the Crypt
The gateway lies outside the mirror mind
Where the prideful warden stalks.
The key was wagered for a treasure
Once gilded. Now it taunts
Its keeper within a labyrinth prison
Winding round and round.
Searching for some liberation,
But becoming tighter bound.
Yet when the winding serpent
Its enterprise surrenders,
For treasure far more precious
Then what it can engender.
Will the sun spear pierce the secret
Chamber of the heart,
The Land of Youth regained
From whence it did depart.
K
kinterra,
as I said in response to you there /moveable-feast-cafe-2016-10-14/comment-page-1/#comment-284912, it isn’t that I didn’t appreciate what you had written – it was just that I didn’t understand how it related to my query.
i missed that response. That cafe was a full house.
Honestly Anony, I think I have lost the pulse here.
Were we in a dialog about God and evil, to which I responded with a poem?
On another note, this anonymous posting is a bit odd to me. Do you want help choosing a name?
Just kidding…
K
“Were we in a dialog about God and evil, to which I responded with a poem? “
I thought so – sorry, that’s what you’re “Beyond the Crypt” appears as to me..
Where? /moveable-feast-cafe-2016-10-14/comment-page-1/#comment-284820
PS: I have been here as “Anonymous” for years – it suits just fine.;-)
Thanks kinterra for your wonderful and wisely encrypted poem. The soul shall return there where belongs after the realization that the warden who keeps the soul in this labyrinth of the serpent is actually the human weakness which allows the serpent to reign over the soul. Once the lessons learned, the soul will be stronger and better prepared for the Time when the gates will open, and “The Land of Youth regained From whence it did depart” …
ioan- you moved through that labyrinth with ease.
The prideful warden by your true heart appeased.
Shining treasures you now display
To all of us who come your way.
k
So, not only is it a poem (as I feared) but it is encrypted – whoa!
Geez, please [I am a poet and I didn’t even know it :-)].
Seriously though – please make it straightforward, ioan’s decryption is still totally opaque.
Here’s another restatement of the same issue /the-empire-and-the-battle-for-the-human-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-285443
that’s why you don’t see the labyrinth…
Dear Anony,
(I hope you don’t mind my term or endearment)
I admire your perserverence with this dialog and look forward to following your link and reading your post, and responding in plain terms.
Meanwhile as it always is with seekers for truth, we the answers to our own questions are already within us. In this case, you have already shed your own light on the labyrinth mystery in stating that you ARE a poet, you do not yet KNOW it.
It will take me a bit of time to come back to this as I am taking a cafe break today and heading into nature to commune with the All Mother..
all blessings
K
No problem kinterra – I don’t mind what you call me so long as it’s not too early in the morning.
So long as you don’t end up copying Bro (who calls me a “rat” below) we could get along just fine :-)
Greetings Anony,
I read both your posts. It seems to me that you are assuming that you and God think alike.
You have created a schema, an intellectual labyrinth in your own mind that does not go anywhere. The mysteries you seek to understand are answered only in the awakened heart.
It is kind of banal to say God or Divine source goes bananas or has hissy fits. This is a total misconception in your thinking. Nor does God make laws which are to be obeyed or disobeyed for merit or punishment. This is a most erroneous teaching, and I am sorry if a false preacher drilled something like that into you. That would be like saying the sun makes laws. The sun bestows light and force. If you stand in it too long, you get sunburn. The sun is not punishing you, you miscalculated and got burnt. Is it God’s fault because God created the sun, or your fault because you erred?
Human beings have innate faculties of intelligence and also of conscience. Conscience acting like kind of a compass needle for our choices of behavior and judgement. We can act in accordance with our inner promptings towards beneficence or choose to be a nasty bastard. That is free will.
God is all beneficence. We are allowed to err. We are given a long time to figure it all out- to wake up. (IMHO many lifetimes.) Each and every soul who finally wakes up to the vast beneficence and love of the Divine Source most naturally asks forgiveness. We are all forgiven for all our error, when we strive to make good the wrong we have done. God does not fix everything for us. It’s up to you to do that. Part of waking up to God is realizing how we acted against Divine Good. We are not punished by God, it is our own innate conscience that longs to make good,a nd to be in harmony with Love.
The serpent or the devil- what ever you call it, does promise the great prize of the kingdom of this world if ignore the inner conscience, and many pursue this path towards power, forsaking their heart.
At the crucifixion there were two criminals. One asked for forgiveness, and a future place in Paradise was granted. The other thief mocked Christ, demanding a show of power to free them. We cannot demand God to fix everything according to our will. The other side of the cross is a better deal. We are to humbly ask for the mysteries of God’s light and love and power to be revealed to our heart. We are to do good works and pray. We regain a state of innocence in a New Paradise- a New Heaven and a New Earth.
Many poems are slumbering in that heart of yours, dear Anony.
K
Thanks for comment kinterra (but please keep words like “banal” to yourself – in conversation between humans that implies contempt and we’ve only just met :-(.
Some follow-up you could perhaps consider & comment on further:
“The mysteries you seek to understand are answered only in the awakened heart.”
Do you consider that process an internal event only or prompted by external agency?
re sunburn – you say:
Is it God’s fault because God created the sun, or your fault because you erred?”
Aparently sunburn would not have arisen before original sin (which is defined as disobedience of God’s word) or at least pain, suffering and death only came to pass after that event
Romans 6:23
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
(let’s leave all the stuff, prior original sin, about the poor old plants that Adam must have killed for his life blood and what the Lion’s with those big teeth ate aside for the time being).
Anyway, I think we can safely assume the Sun existed prior original sin and since Adam was unclothed and probably didn’t understand too much about electromagnetic radiation it was God who was miraculously protecting him from those harmful rays, no?
Now – the pre-known eating of the apple and suddenly (banally?) after the the hissy fit God decides Adam’s going to get a right good sunburn?
Answer: In the circumstances, I think I blame God.
I’ll not make further comment at the minute until we get to the bottom of this “small” point, if that’s ok?
PS: maybe you could help me to understand your position by describing what you actually do consider sin to be?
Perhaps this link would be a reasonable beginning frame of reference for that
http://www.bccmnm.org/webpages/What_is_Sin.html
?
kinterra
You are a great soul and I’m happy to have such friends here, but as you may see, something is brewing and I have to change my tone. Maybe will not last too long, maybe this will be the new trend, I don’t know yet for sure.
ioan, thank-you, but I reserve ‘great soul” for such as Motorola, who have missions to serve the Truth with body, soul, and spirit. I am an apprentice to greatness, bowed low, to many truly great ones, and my comrade patrons and hosts of this cafe, where I can hear and speak Truth.
I am taking a cafe break today to spend time with the beloved All Mother Nature, and contemplate her wisdom, as well as the recent entries of Holy Sophia crowned with stars and new chapters of the Grail Mystery.
K
Searching for some liberation
It becomes tighter bound
You sure know how to turn a phrase
Please accept well-earned praise
The phrase of praise
Returns to you.
And raise a toast
to you our host
of lines in rhyme
for saddened times.
K
Syria and Ukraine, the battle for the soul, and the prize of human consciousness. . . The soul is of a value that far exceeds the imagination. Within the, living, conscious individuality, the soul of us, we think, comprehend and discover truth, and wisdom grows. But it is more, it is human warmth, inspiration and enthusiasm, like Saker initiating this site, where we share what we can of truth and wisdom, and laughs too, all of that is like gold. A human gold that is exchanged freely and not to grab and pile up underground and gloat over, like the spoils of the victory of knowledge. . .
In the Bible is found the story of the woman in heaven who is clothed with the sun, her feet resting on the moon where she stands. On her head there is the crown of the twelve stars. Crown, being derived from corolla, which is the halo of the moon or sun.
In the pain of giving birth of her child, she cries aloud, while in front of her awaits the fiery red dragon, desiring to devour the child when it is born. He has seven heads, ten horns, and seven diadems, different from a crown, as the word diadem is derived from διάδημα diádēma meaning: I bind round, I fasten.
The dragon has drawn a third of the stars of heaven with his tail and cast them onto the earth. The woman gives birth to a son, who is caught up into heaven, and she must flee to the desert and survive there for twelve hundred and sixty days.
After this is told of the great war in heaven, where the primeval serpent, of both diabolic and satanic nature are overcome by the strength of St Michael. The power of evil, the dragon, is banished from heaven and thrown down onto the earth with all his hosts. And, here on the earth, he rages with a wild fury “for his time is short”
Those are pictures for wisdom, and evil, of greed and covetousness. Pictures for our time, as the earth also has a soul, otherwise we would not speak of Mother Russia, who is regarded as treasure of inestimable value by western powers. . .
The mere mention of Russia sets alive furores of fire and our media is ablaze in a frenzy of lies and deceit.
And hence Ukraine, the coup, western ‘democratic’ intervention, and the growth of the alternative media to speak out the truth, and which first set the saker site alight.
Bleary Owl
Bleary Owl
Sincerely, I didn’t want to come out with a poem today, but your writings have made me change. Here is a poem related to your thoughts :
Piece of Revelation
(for those who know the Bible or,
who have heard about it, as fable)
One nation against others,
never mind if they are brothers
And the kingdom of the North,
rattling angry with his Sword
turns against the blasted South,
screaming from his mouth
And the kingdom of the South,
promising a tough revenge,
beats the heavy drums of war,
which the world will change.
But some news from North and East,
shall enrage the Beast
And the Beast, led by his rage,
let devils to cause rampage,
sending them against the Lord,
by flooding the entire World
Kings of Heaven, Kings of Earth,
are at war, since His Birth
The Lord, paid a price for many,
and they crucified His Body
Oh, they think, in their madness,
that their sins will be forgiven,
And they think, in their blindness,
they’ll get the best of Heaven
But the Day they hate the hardest, is the Holy Day of Harvest !
You believe this or you don’t,
don’t give up but keep the hope
Because your heart will be stronger,
your mind will be brighter
Your thought will be clear,
your soul will be free,…have no fear.
ioan, ioan, your name’s a poem
Like a magic, mystery koan
I looked for you many an eon
Your verse a universe to lean on
Bleary Owl with my name within
What a beautiful story you spin
Mixing reason and rhyme
You won this heart of mine
“You of the whirling wings,
circling, encompassing energy of God:
you quicken the world in your clasp.
One wing soars in heaven,
one wing sweeps the earth,
and the third flies all around us.
Praise to Sophia!
Let all the earth praise her!”
~ Hildegard of Bingen
A musical prayer offering for Motorla. I believe our loving thoughts and prayers for one who has just died can work as a healing balm. This Beethoven piece is a tribute to his heroic spirit- especially from about 7:30 on.
“sublime agitation and exquisite torment. This whole piece is so perfectly & so tightly wound, and everywhere throughout – even in the pauses – is Beethoven’s relentless and inexorable fury and compassion”
Eroica 2nd movement Funeral march
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqbgN-FL70
K
Musical tribute to Motorola: It is beautiful…Love it . thanks.
The Hero’s journey never ends
In the heart’s of his friends
He stands in for us all
Before Man’s fiendish fall
Does anyone have any thoughts on the implications arising from the assassination of Motorola today?
Sorrow for Motorola and family. Disgust for the AngloZionist Empire of Evil which is crossing all boundaries of human behaviour with exponential increase in speed. Cutting off Assange, cutting down Motorola, cutting RT’s banking in the UK, cutting down Syrians.
If we thought last week was bad, what will next week bring? And when does the uprising begin? Or did it end, in Oregon? Remember Oregon?
…except it was the “friendly ” Ecuadorean government that cut off Assange. Looks like Correia has spent all his money and is now selling Wikileaks to the highest bidder.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/wikileaks-provides-update-assange-internet-outage
Maduro, Rousseff, Correia: Crash course in economics is what you need!
Correa is not preciselly the president of a wealthy country and he was the only one in having the courage to give him a place to stay safe.
Please a bit of respect. If it had not been for Correa you even would not be talking about Assange any more since he would had been either jailed or killed.
What have you done for Assange and Wikileaks for to remain free and leaking information, or for that matter, the president of your country?
Ok then explain how is handing over your sovereign gold reserves to Goldman Sachs such great economic move.
I kind of liked Correa. Thought he was smarter than that.
As for “what has the president of my country done for Assange”? Exactly what he has done for his own citizens: Nothing.
Sure.
First of all, the presence and technical capabilities of the murderers to place command detonated ordnance and then execute right on time is…to me – astonishing. In a place, that is at war, against a highly sought after tatget, in his own building(neighbourhood) – any unknown face is suspect.
It has to b an inside job. No other way around – either way – inconpetence of the internal security services almost on the scale of 9/11.
Yes, that serious.
Come over to my place and try to steal an apple from me. You’ll see.
As to the consequences?
God only knows, mabbe not even him.
Forgot to add, rest in piece warrior, I am deeply deeply saddened.
Very late I had time to respond to Aivazivsky’s
/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-10-14/comment-page-1/#comment-284140
Referring to his “struggle against fear” I would like to share my experiences, which are different from what Aiva points at. So I put my contribution again into this cafe.
Moreover, mundanomaniac was asked in another comment, what has changed,
that Motorola could have been met by successfull assasination attempt.
There is a short hint in my comment.
mundanomaniac on October 17, 2016 · at 6:15 pm UTC
Arsen Pavlov fare well hero
your Moon has been met by
Mars and Pluto
taking your passing on such
a rare scale
The fruit of your’s was great
your wine will be more
children will memorize your name
streets will cary your name
as one of true born fighters
male model for fathers and sons
Now to Aivazovsky’s comment and my experiences:
“But to approach and fully use the power of truth we do need a high degree of psychological and spiritual consciousness, which in its turn is hindered by fear.”
“and truth can only gain ground by our own struggle against fear.”
“honest and conscious engagement with our own shortcomings”
Sorry, but in my experience there is no such thing like “struggle against fear”
and was never.
There was a struggle, to know what I am good for, what was and is my prong?
It was,without knowing it, a prayer.
This was not about my shortcomings but in the opposite about my unknown strength.
Since the answer unforseenly appeared in my life since then it had direction and patience to go it’s way step by step, build it stone by stone, still going till now, adding my thing, my prong in the common wheels – no place for fear being carried by carrying.
This seems to me the crucial thing: find out what your contribution is for the soul and if you hav’nt an answer, pray to God for it.
The general idea, ‘Battle for the Human Soul’ is what I share.
Yes the Grail Question : Parsifal (pierced through the heart) when faced with the wounded King and the stricken land, “How may I be of service?” And he had to first fail.
So maybe it is not such an easy process for some. Or maybe their time has not come.
Teranam you’ve given Parzival (pierce the veil) an entrance here.
I have had a feeling for a while that behind a curtain, in the back of the cafe, there is a secret door.
Your comment set me to thinking that we may have found that very Grail Hall.
A conversation I would love to continue.
BTW I saw that you visited Mt Shasta and am wondering if we are perhaps neighbors in this realm as well.
K
another ‘version’ of perceval or par-lui-fet (made himself through fire rituals?) is in the High History of the Holy Grail by Sebastian Evans
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/freebooks/ancient/highhistory.pdf
and is tied in with Arthurian legends particularly at Glastonbury….leading to Katherine Maltwood’s book re “Glastonburys temple of the stars” and others, taken up by research Into Lost Knowledge Organisation RILKO………………………….ie that the arthurian legends are particularly tied into the landscape as a giant celestial calendar on earth , as above so below, as a cup of knowledge wisdom as the grail cup…………..fascinating absolutely.
Thanks for this link and remark about the landscape as a giant calendar. I won’t have time to read the legend as I have several stacks of books to work through right now, and the vineyard articles and comments take a lot of my time I have come across similar ideas before about a landscape calendar. Is RILKO an organization? Your comment was a little obtuse for me.
K
Yup R.I.L.K.O.is like a friendly club society in quest for resurrection of ancient knowledge…check out website.book lists, lectures in London….who belonged eg John Mitchell etc etc The hhothg phew is a long long tale of the Arthurian legend….better explained in Maltwoods book, that the figures of the celestial circle are actually set, or engraved in a giant scale actually in the landscape….hence maybe Somer_set county, land of the summer people who maybe have migrated to UK from middle East bringing their celestial knowledge with them.Of course much many variations of grail interpretations in UK..some weird and wonderful..at least this is all part of the searching for the container of the treasure that is within .
Is a struggle against fear self-defeating?
Or a matter of fear’s self-deleting?
Nothing to fear save fear itself?
Or is fear the selfish self itself?
Just a little self-less selfish koan
For my better un-self knowing
A little strange I’m afraid
Out of step in this parade?
Thank you, mundanomaniac, for giving a glimpse at the cosmos with Motorola’s successful assassination. I’m very appreciative for this insight. Reconstruction begins? And your poem is beautiful.
Dennis, I am in awe of your extraordinary creative output lately!! And this creative energy seems to ripple outwards, to further motivate Bro 93, ioan and others. Just fantastic, all of if.
From a recent comment some days ago about the origin of the photos at the start of each café scene, it might suggest a sort of entertaining competition to guess as far as practicable the location or even the precise establishment. They all offer some clues, like the present one, which I guess to be the famous Le Quai, opposite the Musee’ D’Orsay. Can you do any better?
I don’t know where in the world this might be
Seven lasses at a table is a fine sight to see
Seven glasses I raise for a womam’s world
As a man I’m proud to raise her flag unfurled
@ Dennis
How quickly the muses urged you into poetic action with a hint lewd liberties. All that might have been added was a mast for the flag!
You saw the seven ladies but missed the ubiquitous man from the Deuxieme Bureau making himself very conspicuous to avoid detection! Or, perhaps from the old OSS/CIA who became notorious for splashing greenbacks in post-war Europe. With so much rhyming I could’ve made a stanza!
I just came from the All News room. It’s not looking good. One of the more depressing items is that Saker has to beg again for money, now under a pretense. I sent him $100 by snail mail for the semi-annual fund raiser. I’d send more but why should I when so many send nothing?
I know Saker is dead set against getting paid for services rendered other than by donation. I’m sure he has his reasons but it appears that the donation method is not working well.
I’m talking here rather than there. I have a suggestion that concerns us here in the cafe. I am more aware of the difference in tone between the original News room and this cafe, a later addition. Sometimes it strikes me as the play of darkness and light. I’ve been replying to other comments with double couplets in an attempt to lighten my own darkness; it’s worked, at least for me and for the time being.
If this side of the vineyard is indeed light, why don’t we put our heads together and put our collective money where our mouth is? Can’t we decide that each one of us will contribute something semi-annually, even if it is the proverbial widow’s mite? But by not relying on voluntary giving since that does not seem to work at the level needed.
People can continue to use the News room freely. But we here in the cafe would be required to give something twice a year in order to participate here by reading or commenting. It would require Saker’s cooperation and involve the added work of constructing a “paywall,” if that is the correct term. If we don’t pay, we can’t play; it’s as simple as that. I for one would be more than happy to pay.
OK, I’ve said my piece. It probably has the chance of a snowball in hell but what the hell, we’re heading that way anyway. If something is not working, some kind of a snowball effect is needed to cut the rut. I must be one of the nuts in the play of nuts and bolts.
Saker obviously loves freedom but freedom isn’t free. Even donations are a payment when pretending that they are not. I’d rather be like the seven sisters featured in this cafe, paying for their food and drink than seven freeloaders looking for a handout. I’d rather be with 100 who are willing to pay something than with 10,000 who are gaming the system. And Saker does have a system and an excellent one; I’d hate to see it go down.
So split the difference: get the news free but give a damn dime at the cafe. 80% of us vineyarders are in the States and should be able to afford a stamp for snail mail and one lousy dollar bill. Are USers just lazy or that poverty stricken? I don’t know how those outside the US get the money here but there must be a way that’s safe. I wouldn’t trust paypal if just because of the name. I’m not their pal, much less a pay-pal.
OK, my rant is done, and I’m about done in too. Time for beddy-by. If I have sweet dreams they will be of you.
Dennis, you have left me in the dust and captured the Most Prolific trophy from ioan in your wildly unhinged weekend lover’s rush through the Vineyard. Temporarily.
I have a sense you’re the hare’s mate, Jack, as in rabbit, capable of blinding bursts of speed, but prone (literally) to resting horizontally on your laurels, while plodding ioan, whose libido is less unbalanced, never stops composing, and is, therefore, likely to outpace you before you wake up from one of your dreams of communal ecstasy.
Now the shop is closing, so I can’t do much more in day one of Oct 17 café.
I did answer you in Café Oct 14, though:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-10-14/comment-page-1/#comment-285333
Now, to let the proprietor here go home, I will delay my idea on your Saker funding idea, and try to do it on that super-quirky laptop, back in the hotel.
I’ll get to the funding idea, as promised, Dennis and foreign guest.
But first, old business. I want to let Fatima and anyone who read her post two Cafe’s ago, right before closing, that I was able to read it, including the link, and answer her here:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-10-10/comment-page-1/#comment-285029
A week behind, but catching up!
Also answered the Unipolar Rat’s tit for tat a rat a tat tat, and all that …….and for everyone’s sake (when it comes to sheer boredom and delusions regarding his “influence” of Martin SEB) ………I think also in a Café that opened a week ago, undo his great bravado when he hopes no rat patrol is operative. .-
Actually I killed one today. It fell in a three foot deep post hole. C’est la Guerre!
But the funding dilemma, in all seriousness, is one all loyal Café patrons should share.
It’s unique after hours relaxation,
And right brain versification,
In an international café,
With a Deadly Poets’ purpose
Of keeping the Unipolar Rat Empire at Bay!
And as such, I think that’s a steal,
At a very modest “dollar a day”!
Dennis’ suggestion of a C-note twice
Annually sounds kinda nice.
(Franklin was a dirty old man,
But a wise one, I understand.)
I myself prefer to give Grants
To support Vineyard Saker rants!
But since numbers divine and arcane
Can delight some, but drive others insane,
And duality and dialectics are mental trap,
I’ve another suggestion for the funding gap:
Instead of two times a year, and podcasts free
I think we should honor the Holy Trinity!
‘Cause two thirds of Spirit, Action and Thought,
Is a ratio that ever and forever will come to naught!
Like the scheming of unipolar pyschopathic dicks,
One short of three, decimally,….. is point six, six, six!
So, I don’t know about you, but it’s obvious to me:
Real Café Lovers, treble that Franklin, joyfully!
Exception: ioan, as perennially Most Prolific Poet, yet plainly impecunious, can give and do even more in a real currency of time and passion, by cataloging and saving the poetic efforts most deadly to the Cowardly Dogs of Empire. He may already be doing that if I read a recent post of his accurately!!??
So, I pledge a buck, a dollar a day,
A modest sum for such a cool Café!
And such a worthy, necessary cause
Of Stopping Empire, if there ever was!
A third hundred before the month is out, and the other sixty-five in books by Auslander.
Next year I have to order another Saker book. My little Cossack destroyed my autographed copy by hurling it at his teasing older brother. The binding spine got torn. And some paternal warnings sworn.
He’s such a fright…..Peace, and good night!
Bro 93
Not this time my friend, not this time. Dennis can act freely (and I’m happy with it) cause I will not come up with poems for a while. Something has changed, the smell is in the air, something is brewing, something is pursuing, I won’t tell now, but I’ll answer somehow. In this endangered Cafe home, I have to change my very tone.
Sounds ominous, iaon. Well, there’s your fan base pulling for you and giving you the strength to pull through whatever it is that must take you away. I hope it is not very long, and it gives you a new charge of ideas.
Meanwhile, of the really notable original Cafe poems, I estimate you have written about 55-60%, if entire pages of Leary free association prose in one continuous line aren’t verse, even though they rhyme. Its a poetry/prose hybrid, I suppose. And then there’s all the new blood knocking on the door, and they are just getting warmed up and flowing, like a Russian river in late April.
Russian River, Autumn 2016
What will the dying old year bring?
What sounds will the new one sing?
Who and What will break the ice,
Flowing fast and free, ah, Paradise!
Hot passion melting Hope’s frozen floes,
And humanity’s deadliest,darkest foes.
What rays sparkle in this blackest hour?
What lovers’ hopes of sweetest bower?
Whisper answers in our weary ears,
Wise old river of a million years,
Of tides that turn and flow upstream,
That men and women dare to dream.
Be safe! Come back! Take Care!
Wonderful poem Bro ! (saved for posterity)
Thanks for the link to the 14th. I missed it. And your discussion of meat-eating opens what is broken.
Regarding poetry, for me it’s a right brain energy that can stir up ecstasy; the words are secondary. The energy stays with me while the words are soon forgotten. Your energy is quite high to say the least and your wit is sharp enough to kill the beast. When all of us give freely of our energy we create a truly memorable moveable feast.
But I also enjoy clear radiant prose of the left brain. Right and left in balance make for a very pleasing ball dance. And then there is the clean clarity of math, and the toiling turmoil of emotional potions, and hovering over all— the mystery of ministering spirits.
I’m sure you’re aware of Shakespeare’s description of the poet, lover and lunatic. I feel like I’m some kind of mix of the three; it’s rather scary so I’d like to return to the mother and forget all this bother. Oh, brother, what a fix I’m in, to be caught without the love within.
@ Dennis
Very kind and pragmatic of you to suggest a more forceful way to fund the Vineyard, especially your appeal to USers to be a bit less mean. But there are visitors and contributors to the Café who are far away, have no credit cards or other means for transfers plus the bank charges, which are quite substantial compared to the donation they could otherwise send.
After writing the above comment I was hit by a brainwave to make it more practicable for foreigners to donate. If the Saker has the means/ways off setting up representative/trustee in each of the countries with a large number of readers/contributors (e.g. Canada, UK, etc.) to collect local donations for aggregation for later transfer to Head Office, that would tempt more people to loosen the strings. There are some issues – such as verification and integrity – but this could be a good start for additional suggestions and improvements.
Good of you to bring attention to Saker’s request. Though I am not opposed to a cafe cover fee, a ‘suggested donation’ amount would be helpful for the vineyard site in general. How many supporters at what amount would meet a goal? I have no idea what the goal is, or what the gap is.
K
idea definitely worth considering Dennis.
Sheik Imran Hosein will be in Switzerland in November and has a few words to say about D. Trump et al
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5azL6oH5M
I wonder whether there is a connection between the Saker’s drive for funds and the photo of the current Café where a saucer is doing the rounds for a collection!
She’s not very on message! Selfie queen daughter of Putin’s PR chief blasts daddy’s boss over ban on gay marriage and Russia’s ‘hellish’ schools
Lisa Peskova’s father Dmitry has been Vladimir Putin’s spindoctor for many years and is part of the his trusted inner circle
Despite her father’s job, 18-year-old Lisa is an outspoken critic of Putin
She openly criticises Russia’s gay marriage ban and the education system
She said praised other European countries as being more adapted to the lives of ordinary people
By WILL STEWART FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:53, 18 October 2016 | UPDATED: 10:18, 18 October 2016
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Posing seductively for the camera in a swimsuit, this is the outspoken daughter of Vladimir Putin’s loyal spindoctor.
Despite her father’s position as Putin’s PR man, 18-year-old Lisa Peskova doesn’t shy away from picking a fight with the president, blasting his ban on gay marriage and the country’s ‘hellish’ schools.
She told Russian station Rain TV: ‘I am not against same sex couples. We never know what circumstances people grew in, I simply support everyone’s choice.’
Lisa, who speaks five languages and has won an army of 20,000 fans thanks to her racy Instagram posts, went on to say Russia is only good for ‘wealthy families’ like hers.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3837923/She-s-not-message-Selfie-queen-daughter-Putin-s-PR-chief-blasts-daddy-s-boss-ban-gay-marriage-Russia-s-hellish-schools.html#ixzz4NRKu4J00
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hhhhmaybe an example where that spoof of russians relatives must all return home be applied?
Otherwise is fodder for the fifth column…………………..as she may not be aware of how she has been manipulated………….perhaps.
Haykal Bafana
@BaFana3
Early reports : Egypt announces it has left the Saudi coalition waging war on Yemen.
TEHRAN (FNA)- A commander of the US Army Special Forces deployed in Northern Raqqa was killed by unknown assailants, local sources disclosed on Monday.
“The commander of the US Special Forces in Tal Abyadh was shot in the head and killed by unknown assailants,” the Arabic-language Sham Times said.
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950726001096
and, in Libya:
Anyways, here’s some ‘food or thought’ and I hope I am forgiven for such an unusual, long-winded rant ……….
1. LIBYA TRUTH – and a possible lesson for for Syria??
Libya, Benghazi: Gen Hafter’s proposed ‘evacuation plan’ defines just men, children and the elderly as the only ‘civilians’ remaining in Ganfouda and designates ALL males in that neighborhood as “fighters” who must surrender. Ahmed Al-Masmari, a Libyan National Army spokesman said, “There are Turkish, Qatari, Berber and African “families” in there and they are terrorists!”
http://www.themedialine.org/news/libya-racked-ongoing-fighting/
2. My own summary of the current situation in Libya (ignoring a handful of ISIS and the wasteful and ineffective US bombing of the desolate wasteland of Sirte):
– Whether or not Haftar is a ‘reformed Libyan’ he is head of the legitimate (remnants of) the Libyan National Army and he has killed many rats.
– He and the LNA is supported by all the tribes in the East.
– Benghazi is almost entirely cleared of rats, despite UN protests of ‘humanitarian concerns for innocent civilians (LOL!) – see number 1, above.
– Despite official denials, Egypt has re-equipped the LNA with updated fighter planes and munitions (against UN sanctions…shock, horror!). That Russia is using Egypt as ‘proxy’ supplier is likely but not proven.
– The latest ‘puppet’ Government set up by NATO and the US is dead. What did they expect with zero representation or even input from real Libyans?
– The real threat to the return of stability to Libya is the rogue city-state of Misrata, whose rat army is dying in their droves while obeying their NATO overlords in waging a wasteful campaign against ISIS, while the city itself is occupied by special forces from US, Turkey, Qatar, Britain, France et al.
– While the Zintan and others in the West remain sceptical of Hafter, they are allied in their intent to remove ISIS and destroy the Turk-backed Muslim Brotherhood from Tripoli. Life in the west of Libya is improving and Bani Walid is no longer living in fear of a return of Misrata (LOL, they have been to busy dying in Sirte!)
– While war plagues the East, Zintan has been busy patching up lots of truces (with traditional Libyan dialogue between elders) of neighboring Western tribes and regions. Their zone of influence now sees them in firm control of all areas from western border of Tunisia (notice, no dramas over border crossings any more?) to the very edge of Tripoli.
– Saif is ‘safe’ and both Western and Eastern tribes have pledged fealty to Ayesha and Saif
– Haftar’s LNA have taken full control of the South, since the necessary ‘withdrawal’ of the Misrata rats, to go die for Uncle Spam in Sirte. The South has always been green, just like Tobruk in the East. This means that the whole of Libya is now controlled by the LNA and ‘friends’ except for Tripoli and Misrata. … tick-tock!
– Last but not least: Ibrahim Jadhran is NOT a traitor. He has played a vital role in preventing Libya’s oil from being exploited. With the take-over by the LNA of the oilfields, his role is now done. If he has accepted a bribe to do so, he deserves it. Keep in mind the number of bribes from Misrata and the west that he has rejected in the past [http://www.libyanexpress.com/oil-facilities-guards-suspected-of-siphoning-libyas-oil-supplies/]. What he HAS done so well for 5 years is to follow the last instructions of Mutassim Billah Gadaffi, who said:
“We will trap them here in Libya to drain their resources, manpower and their will to fight. We will make them spend as much as they have stolen, if not more. We will disrupt and halt the flow of our oil, thus rendering their ‘strategies’ obsolete.”
*Note how his ‘Petrolium Guard’ surrendered to the LNA without a shot being fired and he was placed under ‘house arrest.’
I know this final observation will go down like a bag of shit to the less informed, but Jathran is a fukin’ hero for keeping the west, ISIS and Misrata hands off that oil for 5 long years. He was the best psy-ops agent the Jamahiriya had!
ALWAYS GREEN!
Oz
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Nice report with a sharp polemical edge to it!
I suspect a lot of others also know very little about post Hitlery Libya, other than writing it off as an area of NATO caused chaos and disaster. Your report is much more encouraging than that.
I have previously read reports by the Syrian attorney with the Michigan Wolverines cap. But it’s hard to read every long report by every Anonymous poster. Sounds from your excellent English that you may be north African university educated in Britain or America. It would be easier to spot your comments if you added Libya or some other clue to it. Thanks.
Life goes in rhythms and patterns, waves, pulses and surges of one kind and another. Last weekend, having an upsurge of darkness and evil in the world. I felt this, not a very pleasant experience, to put it mildly, but forewarned is forearmed . . .
We can always meet life with redoubled expressions of the soul, of Goodness, tolerance, and compassion, Truth, the spear of Michael, and Beauty, in the arts, nature, finding beauty everywhere.
With the dragons seven heads and seven diadems picture from Revelations I wrote of above, I did not want to disparage the wearing or possession of diadems! Only it is different from the crown of stars’ the ‘corolla’ of the woman ‘clothed with the sun.’ Diadem is individual centred: I bind round, I fasten, as an oath, or to a person and so on, and crown, is cosmic centred.
But in the case of ours not so truly, that primeval serpent, the diabolic and satanic natured beast, is fastening and binding the earth, and the human soul as usurper, against the will of the Gods.
Aggression infiltrates the good, the Lie subverts the truth, and Ugliness and Filth subverts and prostitutes beauty in a ghoulish profanation that defies words. It’s the devils ammo, so to speak, but know him, know your enemy.
Zhakharchenko, courage, take the truth diadem from Sakers well wishers, and Motorola, Sir, a song, an unashamed expression of appreciation and love from 1963, To Sir with Love
https://youtu.be/VrthnL1xi48
Saker, I forgot to add, please may we have a sidebar icon of St George and the dragon? Oh and also – the usual, via snail mail, will be delivered to you in time for your birthday in November – what date was it again?
We have heard how Donald Trump has said that Electronic Voting System will be Rigged, because of the American Plutocracy wants to cling to Power, but the Dictators of America are More Subtle and Deceptive than those of the Soviet Union.
There are Several ways to Rig the Election, and the Easiest and Most Convenient one of them is with Electronic Voting, and this is Why the Establishment likes Electronic Voting, and Hillary Clinton says that her Private Clandestine Unauthorized Illegal Private Email Server for State Department work was for convenience.
Joseph Stalin said that it does not matter who Votes, but Only those who Corruptly count the Votes, and Electronic Voting is the Easiest way to Rig an Election.
This is why there are Many Voters who think that there should Only be Paper Ballots for Elections, and then there is Gerrymandering of Congressional Districts, Fifth Columnist Treasonous Journalists, fake voters because of insufficient Voter Identification, the need for more Public Funding along with Only allowing small donations at a time which is done with an Anonymous method, as part of the Media’s Licensing Arrangement, and other things that Experts in these matters suggest could be part of minimizing Election Rigging.
It is Interesting how there is so much Hacking of Computers, and yet some Politicians and their Puppets say that Donald Trump is crazy to think that there could ever have been a Rigged Election in America, or that there will ever be a Rigged Election in America.
These Politicians who say that are either Corrupt Puppetized Liars or they are Unfit to serve the Public, or they are both of these.
Edward Snowden tried to help America, because he Knew that with the Corrupt Regime was Recording and Spying on Everyone in the name of Preserving Freedom, but their Real Motives were to gain the Dirt on People to Puppetize them for their Dictatorship.
There are Many Americans who think that this happened long ago with the Bush and Clinton Dynastic Dictatorships which includes the Clintons’ Puppet Obama Administration.
There are Liars who will say that Elections in America are honest, but they are as honest as are the FBI, the IRS, the Department of Justice, the State Department, the Democratic Party Primaries, the Treasonous Fifth Columnist Puppetized Journalists, and the list is much longer than that.
President George Bush the second said that Bill Clinton was his brother, and that Hillary Clinton was his sister in law, and American Social Democrats can see this in the photo of George Bush the second and Hillary Clinton that was taken in this Election year, and they say that a picture tells a thousand words at https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0de1c75741d26ac1ee1d4449038900d3e8830469/45_232_606_363/master/606.jpg?w=700&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=85016df7b6cb42e07e51911542152cfe , and then there is President George Bush the second campaigning for a Fellow Member of the Establishment Family at the Clinton Foundation at http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iwqGD6mTY9iY/v1/1200x-1.jpg .
This is why there are Many Americans who think that this Election is for either a Corrupt Clinton Plutocratic Dictatorship, or it is for a Trump Constitutional Republic and a Constitutional Democracy, and this is why there are Many Voters who want Anyone But Clinton for President of America.
There are People who say that there was Election Rigging against Al Gore, and yet these People will Also say that there is no Election Rigging in America if Donald Trump mentions the Obvious.
There are Websites where People can do their Research on Election Fraud in America, and one of them is at http://wesavedemocracy.org/corporations_control_vote.shtml , and at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/rigvote.html , and at http://www.wnd.com/wnd_petition/petition-urging-congress-to-investigate-fraud-and-abuse-in-americas-election-system/ .
Bill Clinton was Not impeached for his affair with Monica Lewinsky as Corruptocrats have said, but the impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of Perjury and one of Obstruction of Justice, in December 1998, because Bill Clinton Deliberately Lied Under Oath, and had the Corruptocrats in the Senate been Honest and Voted to Convict Bill Clinton, because the Evidence was Overwhelming and Obvious, then Al Gore would have become President, and Al Gore would have won the 2000 Presidential Election and President George Bush the second would Not have been President.
The Puppetized Unprincipled Bribed and Corrupt Corruptocrats may not have been aware of the Plutocrats wanting the Bush and Clinton Dynastic Dictatorships, which includes the Puppet Obama Administration, and so the Corruptocrats themselves helped President George Bush the second become President with the help of sufficient Election Rigging.
Hillary Clinton has Slandered Donald Trump again, and this time she says that he is a bully, and Hillary Clinton is Far Worse on most or even all of what she accuses Donald Trump of, and the Video is Titled: Clinton ad compares Trump to movie bully Biff Tannen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ6BfkqUWkw , and this should be Compared to the Bully that Hillary Clinton is, and wants to Continue to be, and that Video is Titled: Graphic Footage of Hillary Clinton Could Damage Her at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6dd_mtZvJE .
We can see that Hillary Clinton is an Unethical and Unprincipled Person, and took Bribes, and Acts with a Perverted sense of conviction to be Evil, Corrupt, and Unprincipled, and Corruptly and Despicably withholding for 6 years the 15 Billion Dollars that People donated to the Clinton Foundation to Pass on to Haiti for Reconstruction from their 2010 Earthquake is Bullying, and a Crime against Humanity, and there are Investigative Journalist who say that the Clinton Foundation has over 100 Billion Dollars, even though the Clintons say it only has 3 Billion Dollars.
This is because those Donors would have given that Money to Haiti directly or to other Needy People.
The Clintons were Never going to be able to spend that Money which was Not even their Money, they do Not want others to benefit from it, and perhaps that was also a ‘hard’ choice for the Clintons to Corruptly and Despicably withhold the Money for Haiti, and perhaps she can put that in her revise book that she called hard choices, even though she Laughs with Delight when she say they were hard choices to be War Criminals and Crimes against Humanity.
This is why America is Funding ISIS who is the Secret Ally of Terrorists in the Middle East, because the American Government is a War Criminal Dictatorship, Controlled by the Plutocratic Shadow Government.
There are People who think that Syria should File Charges of War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Genocide against America because America objects to the Democratically Elected Legitimate President of Syria and the Democratically Elected Parliament from fighting Against ISIS Terrorists who are the Secret Ally of America, and because Russia who is Legally in Syria, is Defending Syrians from Terrorists, and after Syria has Charged America with War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Genocide, then the People of the World can begin to Boycott All American Goods and Services, because People have a Right to Self Defense under International Law.
There are Many Voters who think that there is no one in American Politics who is more Corrupt, more of a Warmonger, more of a Criminal, more Dishonest, more Untrustworthy, more Unfit, and more Establishment than what Hillary Clinton is, and this is Why Hillary Clinton Needs to Rig the Election, because these Voters want Anyone But Clinton for President of America.
I agree, over 90%.
Problem is Gore is no damned good either. But, like most of the plutocrats, he obeys orders and rolls over and plays dead when so instructed. That was the message behind the killing of JFK:
Obey, or die.
Will President Trump disappoint? Maybe, but I don’t see how he can disappoint more than the gutless American people themselves. But they are getting increasingly angry about Killary, and her absurd “Going high.” and would like to see her brought low, and in increasing numbers are thinking, “Book her, Dono!!”
And throw away the key. If he does that and doesn’t get trapped into attacking Russia and China, Americans will have a chance to really get their act together and perhaps finally break the chains of mind control.
In the WSJ as of 10/17/16: They report that the Daesh militants are leaving Mosul . Counterpunch below has article agreeing with this information ( reproduced by RI)
http://russia-insider.com/en/real-aim-mosul-offensive-flood-syria-more-isis/ri17080
And an article on A9 of the WSJ: “Russia Faces New Mideast Pressure” in which there is this telling paragraph:
“Secretary of State John Kerry and British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson didn’t rule out military action in Syria’s war but came close, emphasizing there is little appetite in Europe or the West for it. ”
Then on the editorial page there is the weigh in by the neocons ( Robert D. Kaplan) , ” What Can the Next President Do About Russia?” in which he says,
…” just as Western military intervention in Syria risks a Russian response in Europe, a robust movement of American forces permanently back to Europe may cause Mr. Putin to be more reasonable in Syria. This may offer a way out of the sterile Syria debate…”…..By seriously pressuring Russia in Eastern and Central Europe, the US can create conditions for a meaningful negotiation whereby Moscow might have an incentive to shape the behavior of its Syrian client in a better direction.”
Do not expect events to let up one bit.
Canthama says:
October 18th, 2016 at 7:11 AM [Level 10 – Cesar]
ISIS seems to be fleeing Mosul almost in a straight line from Mosul to Der ez Zor Province, as already widely shared at Syrper and all alternative media.
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=pt&lat=35.572449&lon=41.824951&z=8&m=b
Russia warns USA coalition of the Killing that it won’t allow it to happen, it seems Russia may go into Iraq airspace to bomb ISIS in the Nineveh Desert. I just hope Abadi plays along with Russia and Syria in killing ISIS on the run as it was done in Fallujah, while double playing the US at the same time.
many ISIS and family groups have left Mosul in the last few months, a week ago a large convoy was spotted arriving in Raqqa, mostly civilians-ISIS relatives.
On the other side, military convoys, such as the one leaving Fallujah that was hit hard by IAF, were not spotted so far, until it seems this morning, and Elijah is reporting IAF hit it hard, no video and pics of yet.
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/788349863696228352
https://www.sott.net/article/331422-Lavrov-warns-of-appropriate-military-and-political-decisions-if-ISIS-fighters-flee-Mosul-for-Syria?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Der ez Zor is still very vulnerable, the Turdah mountains under ISIS makes it nearly impossible to use the airbase for planes.
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I’m standing on the edge of a precipice
Like the world and the rest of us
Love is pushing me over the edge
I’m clinging with one hand to the ledge
The Love Army says to be more plain
About all the people being slain
I hear them crying in their pain
From behind my rosy window pane
I know what the problem is
It’s all about hers and also his
The world war of the sexes
And their battle hardened hexes
Man started in killing animals
Which led to sacrificial annuals
Womem were next on the list
Betrayed by man’s twisted kiss
We’re killing animals by the ton
Making war that can’t be won
We forget that we are animals
Killing them makes us cannibals
We are blind leading the blind
Can’t escape the killer’s bind
We kill behind a covered screen
Lest we see the blood machine
We cry in vain to stop the war
While we push blood and gore
Men were jealous of womam’s blood
So they began an animal killing flood
Womam’s bleeding gave her power
Men’s envious eyes turned bitter sour
He plotted out how to get even
By destroying her fruitful Eden
He no longer served her gentle will
But took the course of kill, kill, kill
Womem naturally birth and nurse
And plainly abhor the killing curse
Men were clever in left-brained ways
And converted women to killing’s craze
With arguments hard as steel
Their chidren’s lives in the deal
The war on womem thus begun
It had to take its fatal, final run
To kill the earth by global terror
By slaying womam, the water bearer
Now we have men in female bodies
Masses of male trained nobodies
Animals killed to get back at womem
Who wanted to be in love with them
Man killing animals is a warlord’s curse
What he did to womem is even worse
Made her into an animal pet for man
So she forgot herself in the original plan
By default she kills like the worst of men
Catching the male disease way back when
Man-slaughtered animals she once protected
Rise from their mass graves undetected
“First he’s in the back, then he’s in the front
Both eyes looking like he’s on a rabbit hunt”
The rabid hunter still hunts her and her gifts
Jealous as ever, more clever with shifty riffs
Killing animals had unforeseen consequences
Like our fenced in compensatory self-defenses
The throats we slit turn out to be our own
So we wring our hands, complain and moan
The killing goes on with the lie of the con
We’re caught in the bind of our own put-on
We can’t see the forest for the fees of our doom
We can’t see out of our windowless room
Unless we stop the animal killing soon
We’ll reap the whirlwind of self-inflicted ruin
I hear the free animals’ call of the wild
I see with the eyes of an animal’s child
I love you all from now until eternity
Set the animals free and so we will be
Let’s get off the animals’ pillory pyre
And learn to burn with purified fire
This article below and Jill Stein’s comment on how uneasy she would sleep under a Killery Presidency, sigh, makes it clear that a vote for Trump is a tactical necessity at this time.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/17/donald-trump-on-michael-savage-show-i-will-meet-with-putin-as-president-elect/
The intent behind my content is to restore paradise in the here and now. An impossible dream you say. You could see it that way. With love the possible is easy; the impossible takes a little longer.
The first thing is to get my head on straight. The Love Army calls it “think love thoughts.” That means earth centered and womam realized–again. I’ve come to see that the patriarchal projected heaven is a false flag, red herring pie in the sky. At best it distracts from the work we have to do here and at worst instills an underground hatred of the earthly.
When we die we don’t go anywhere else; we hang around in alternate frequency bands until we restore what we have destroyed. Patriarchy inflates our minds like a balloon until it pops and deflates, the old boom and bust trick, sell high and buy low.
Patriarchy is rule by men, literally by fathers. This is a reversal of the natural governance by womem. If we don’t get this, we won’t understand anything about how the world goes. The recent change of women into femen just provides cover for the deceit.
At base, war is a result of the attack on womem values from the love culture of our origins where there was a balance between womem and men, but not that of equality. Men were more than happy to be helpmates. Again, if we don’t understand that it’s impossible to grasp the dynamics of present day disintegration.
But I grow weary of stating the obvious which is oblivious to the patrix conditioned mind. I need to turn it over to love instead and take a nap upon my bed.
Oh, love, I feel so bad
Is that bad?
Is it good?
It might be old stuff coming up
Do you think?
Probably
I know it’ll go away
Like it did before?
Yes
OK, I’ll let it be
Sounds good to me
It’s not that bad I suppose
It could be worse
Yes, it could
A lot worse
Well, people are dying all over the place
So you’re afraid?
I’m afraid so
Maybe it’s a friend
How so?
Telling you the truth
About what?
What you’ve got inside
And it’s a friend?
Listen to what it says
It said I love you
Can you feel that underneath?
I think so but it’s strange
Can you be a friend to it?
Yes, I’ll try.. Thanks
You’re welcome, love
my wife asked who is leary
who’s talking of vagina
and woman beauty
jesus as shesus
love army against pets
eating meat
this is sin he said
and other threats
communal sex is not
share my wife with
others that would be
for us too hot
cos’ we live in a
community of blacks
who are at odds
with your view
we vote for trump
and not hillary
he is for christianity
Ah, sweet irony!
I rented my home to a sweet black family who hug (me included) and go to church and are for Hillary, because I couldn’t trade it for a house in the OC…..Orange County. I’m too impecunious for that trade.
I argue with Dennis occasionally, and have roughed him up more than once, as well as come to his defense. It takes time to know someone, even if you are face to face.
The main thing is, you’re a new poet here, meaning the right hemisphere of your brain is not locked into immobility, as it is in so many, and you are starting to spar, with both hands.
As Mohammed Ali said:
This kid fights great, he’s got speed and endurance!
If you sign to fight him, increase your insurance!
Hi. Nothing gets by your radar. I love Ali’s poetry and the man himself. I don’t have insurance but I do have assurance. And I do appreciate your critical support more than your radar suspects. I’ve managed to get my hands on one of those advanced Russian systems so better look to it.
For those outside the USA, a new set of Hillary scandals are to be front and center in every American supermarket checkout line tomorrow. Breitbart and others are already running it. The National Enquirer is no joke, it’s probably read by way more people than the NYTimes and more importantly, its headlines are _seen_ by millions. Zero Hedge posters are correctly remembering the fate of John Edwards’ career after an expose that was vetted properly and turned out to be true. Of course, it was the Clintons who brought “sex” into this election in the first place.
Hilary Fixer Breaks Ranks…
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clinton-lesbian-sex-claims-vince-foster-fixer/
Interesting times. American pseudo-culture has crossed the point of no return, and lost any sense of decency! We’re gonna have to figure out another way. Greed and Power do not, in fact, make the world turn around, any more than money presses do (in the long run anyway.)
And here’s a priceless view of DNC environmentalism in action:
Witnesss: DNC tour bus dumps human waste into storm drain.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/33418363/witness-clinton-forward-together-tour-bus-dumps-human-waste-into-storm-drain
I think I’m not alone in thanking the creators and contributors for this site for being the sanest place on the internet. Donate? Well, duh! This site really could be a model for new kinds of paid subscriptions/content on the net. Auslander, Scott, and the Saker Sandbox I would gladly pay for, a bargain… Check your PO Box, Sir.
If the earth too has a soul, as in Mother Russia, for whom we battle and wage war against the Great Lie, then Truth is a universal light that binds us together, and in which the world soul awakens to life.
More music in memory of Motorola, for death is both sorrow and spirit triumph, it is from Songs of the Earth, lyrics from China, composition Germany, translations England, dedicated to Russia . . .
a song from the earth
https://youtu.be/f3hCCTRYcz0
The Farewell
The sun departs behind the mountains.
The cool shadows of evening
descend into all the valleys.
Look! Like a ship of silver
the moon floats in heaven’s blue lake.
I feel a light wind stir
behind the dark firs.
The brook sings so beautifully in the darkness.
The flowers grow pale in the twilight.
The earth breathes deeply, filled with peace and sleep.
Now yearning inclines toward dreams,
the weary turn homeward
to sleep, where they recapture
forgotten happiness and youth.
The birds crouch quietly on their branches.
The world falls asleep!
From the shadows of my firs comes a cool rustling.
I stand here and await my friend;
I await his last farewell.
Oh, my friend, I long to enjoy
this evening’s beauty at your side.
Where are you? You are leaving me alone so long!
I wander back and forth with my lute
along paths covered with soft grass.
Oh beauty! Oh world, drunk with love and life forever!
–Mong Kao-Jen
Thanks for this most beautiful tribute to a fallen soldier and a fallen world, both of which are exquisitely glorious in their greater sphere of love. If I may say so, this is a fine romantic prelude to my mind semantic precis which follows.
The Love Army’s third division is about pethood. This must be addressed if we are stop the war on Russia and war in general. It is a difficult task because so many here, including the Saker, are deeply invested in pets. It will require great sensitivity and compassion for people and pets because it’s highly emotional and been with us for thousands of years.
First, let me be clear. No person or pet is being threatened with permanent sleep or abandonment on the street. This project is a long range one, involving principle and deep understanding.
It should also be evident that the Empire of Evil intends to make all of us pets of itself. The Empire draws its power from us. We give it the power which is used against us. We are not islands but interacting agencies. Actions are not isolated but have necessary effects. Associations are deterministic and make deep changes across the board and up and down the line.
If we keep pets, for whatever reasons, that action will spread throughout the culture and tend to produce pet-like results. Reality cannot be condoned off and controlled by human will. The connection between keeping pets and being pets is porous and inevitable, no matter what we think or feel.
The counter-argument is made that animal pets and human pets are entirely different and do not effect each other. This is based on wishful thinking and denial of an interacting and influencing universe and is largely driven by emotional need.
It is said that pets have souls, have minds, morals and rights just as we do. Some people push the idea that pets are persons. This process blurs the difference between humans and pets and supports the argument that human and animal pets become closely linked.
People become deeply bonded with pets, sometimes to the point where people and pets become friends and lovers. Then pet lovers bond with each other to form societies and political action groups, in an analogous way to corporations having the rights of persons by law.
The force of pets is illustrated by the fact that millions of people can be killed with not much concern but let one tortured pet hit the news and a violent reaction by pet lovers ensues.
We ourselves are animals with something like 98% of the same genes as chimps. There is a cross-over effect when we make free animals into pets. It took thousands of years but as we domesticated animals and made them pets, we did the same to ourselves. Now that we’re in it so deeply, it’s difficult to see it.
That’s why we need some distance from the situation, starting with thought. We don’t have to take action but it is necessary to understand the dynamics involved. Pets are pets, whether human or animals. Our desires and needs are not going to change energetic facts, including physical conditioning.
The Love Army is a metaphor for the universal principle of love. Love has definite specifications and technological requirements. Freedom is built into the reality of love, including several other major qualities. Our species has indeed “sinned” or deviated from that principle by depriving a whole animal nation or species of their freedom.
The how and why of pet-hood is a secondary consideration which is a can of worms to open up. But it’s not necessary to the basic reasoning upon principle. To take the high ground of reason and the even higher ground of truth requires that we go there, and that can be a difficult journey. But if we are interested in stopping war, it is a necessary commitment.
Our species made war on animals by killing them, eating them and making them pets. This is a crime of the highest order. It has evoked a denial system of equally high order, reaching into the God realm itself. Patriarchal men used God to justify their animal killing and still do. When is the last time you heard a religious body condemn animal killing and pethood?
I love free animals because I want to be free myself. I also love pets but in a different way. I don’t keep them or own them but I have compassion for their situation, which was forced upon them. They talk to me just like to you. Pets know they have to obey and display affection for their masters or they will be eliminated.
Pethood is a huge economic, psychological, spiritual and social problem, entangled with other evils of empire. It is deeply rooted in ourselves, endemic and invisible; except in its effects like disease and war.
My former wife once said about her dog and cat: “Well, that’s all I have.” That’s a real pity, and a crime but knowing her abusive upbringing, it makes perfect sense and for her is a necessity of survival. The same may be true of others so we need to exercise sensitivity and compassion on pets and their people enablers. It may indeed be a matter of psychological and physical survival for persons and pets.
We need to put the problem into the larger framework of survival of our species as free persons. We’re facing extinction either of our freedoms or of life on the planet. We are trained to choose life as servants and serfs for the empire; and let’s face it, that is what most humans want, just to survive with some degree of comfort and pleasure. It is not stated that way but the truth is that most choose to be pets rather than bear the responsibility of free persons.
I am a pet in some respects but I don’t want to be and am working to get out of that straight-jacket. I like the idealism of this vineyard and the support I receive here. It is summed up in that neat mission statement: stop the empire’s war on Russia. Russia is the symbol of freedom at this time. Russia does not want to be the empire’s pet or slave. The empire is evil insofar as it strives to be a pet-owner and slave master.
The logic against pethood is unassailable and unshakable. But the history and emotionality of pet bondage is also defended to the death by its adherents. It will take great love to heal the wounds and bridge the gaps left by the sundering of love’s government. That’s why the Love Army is here: to defeat the Army of Evil on this and many other fronts.
There’s much more to be said but I think that’s the gist of it for now. I’m told I’m a double sagittarius. The sign is half man and half horse. The wild horse is one of my favorite symbols of freedom. The free man part I’m working on. To aid that image and its implementation I imagine getting off that high horse and setting her free and myself as well. Each of us, person and animal can stand on their own feet and be sovereign.
Well, that is one way to think about pets, but there are some other things to consider. If we love something so as to support it’s own inner essence (not love it for our own satisfaction), we are engaged in a creative act of love. This is good for the world and good for the animal. The animal’s soul develops through that love and so does the human soul. Domestication of animals has a long and honorable history. Many fine characteristics were bred into animals when it was understood as an noble art. Of course in our time everything is so degenerate and animals (and everything else) are mistreated horribly in agriculture and in pethood. But in essence it is a good thing for animals and people to develop relationship and generate love for one another. Perhaps it is not so much as abolishing pethood, as enobling it?
K
I was born in Lancashire, England and now live near London..and I am glad that both Dmitry Orlov and The Saker and their wives and children survived the latest hurricane to nearly hit Florida. I love the fact that you guys are just so honest – something I think that can’t be faked…
So I wrote this..it doesn’t matter if it it doesn’t get published…its already in the public domain.. Us English don’t like Secret Societies.
Yesterday, as a result of reading Dmitry Orlov’s blog – a man who I have massive respect for – I read his blog every week. This guy know’s how to think and write..even though I don’t always agree…I thought I would revisit my understandings of the origins of oil (which is quite critical to the future of the human race (if we’ve got one))…
I wrote this on his blog – which he didn’t publish – but that’s O.K. – its his blog.
“I discovered your blog about 3 years ago, love the way you think and write and especially your cutting sense of humour. About 15 years ago I came across dieoff.org, and for about 5 days was extremely worried about the future for my children (and now grandchildren). Then I came across J.F. Kenney and also remembered some of my physics and maths. That made me feel somewhat better about the future, and I didn’t think it worth betting on the price of oil heading for the stratosphere.
I wasn’t too impressed with some of the Peak Oiler’s – mainly because they were 100% convinced they were correct – and deleting opposing argument, is not a very scientific way to behave.
I have always been open to new information, research and evidence and am willing to change my mind on its basis if convincing. I don’t mind admitting that my view may have been wrong. So today as a result of reading your article I thought I would revisit the arguments re the origins of oil.
I think I found the very best arguments from both sides. One was written by a Ryan Carlyle, BSChE, (engineer at an oil company). If I had just stopped at that point, I might again have become seriously depressed about the future. It’s bad enough as it is, with these complete lunatics in Washington thinking they are in control of anything.
I then came across a Ron Maimon. He did physics and maths like me – though he is very much cleverer than me. He might even be as clever as you.
You should read him. Maybe even debate him. He gets deleted a lot. I don’t know why, cos I can’t read what’s been deleted.
But I was so interested in Ron Maimon, I spent much of the rest of yesterday reading everything I could find he had written on the internet.
The bloke is a Total Genius and he also has The Very Best Morals…and he’s only 43….Yes I know his Family History.
He lives in Harlem, New York. He left Israel where he was born, for very sensible reasons.
Tony
UK sends warships to shadow Russian naval task force
“British Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said the ships would be “man-marked” every step of the way.
“We will be watching as part of our steadfast commitment to keep Britain safe,” he said.”
Where do they find these toffee-nosed malodorous twits?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37706425
https://southfront.org/on-the-verge-of-a-major-war-is-there-a-pilot-in-the-cockpit/
In practice, the events that began four months after the death of the GRU General are mostly related to considerations of a military strategic nature and are aimed at blocking Russian naval forces to the Black Sea straits and strategic expansion of US missiles to the Urals. In the Syrian crisis, Russia not only protects its “geopolitical interests,” as they are accustomed to blaring in some environments. The danger of expelling the Russian fleet from the Mediterranean poses an existential threat to the Russian Federation.
The decision to build a permanent naval base in recent days is a breakthrough in the geopolitical strategy of “deterrence” and the concept of a “lightning strike” imposed by the US, and reflects the long-term prognosis for stabilising of Russian influence in the region.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-nato-idUSKCN12J2C6
NATO officials also say that strategically, Russia’s air strikes are securing its interests by protecting Assad and Russia’s Syrian port in Tartous, which boosts its access to the Black Sea that it controls after taking the Crimean peninsula.
Thanks, I missed that by being distracted lately by ‘things that had to get done’.
Here’s one (TiSA)you may have seen that needs broadcasting to all vassal countries e.g. Oz and Canada:
http://journal-neo.org/2016/10/19/is-there-something-we-should-know-about-the-new-obama-s-trade-agreement/
Churchill stated in 1913 that the traditions of the British Navy were “Rum, sodomy and the lash”.
He should know, he was the Lord of Admiralty. But he was also a liar.
There was no internet..all we had was a radio – “Listen with Mother” – and a black&white TV “Watch with Mother”. It was BBC – there was nothing else. There was no ITV.
There was nothing – except us – Our FAMILY and FRIENDS – us kids doing incredibly dangerous things when we were 6 years old walking home through the still Bombed Out Cotton Mills in Oldham..still not been demolished and cleared up over 10 years after the End of WWII
That’s how i grew up.
The radio was playing stuff from 1920’s – the Light Programme?
And then we could Hear…just wait for it…
RADIO LUXEMBOURG
and the on TV – We Saw The BEATLES
ENGLAND 1 REST OF THE WORLD 0
The Americans couldn’t compete with us English…because We wanted to know where The Real Soul. The Real Rhythm. The Real Beat. The Real song came from
We were Brought up on Bert Weedon, Perry Como, Cliff Richard, Elvis Prestley, The Everley Brother’s and Budd Holly.
But Tony Mcphee (Groundhogs ) ( still alive and occasionally gigging) and lots of other young english kids trying to become musicians – bought Black American records with our Pocket Money..and Sold Them Back To The Americans with
The BEATLES And The Rolling Stones.
ORIGINALLY WEST AFRICA
You Guy’s Got The BLUES
Chuck Berry 90 years old
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/18/chuck-berry-comeback-album
Tony
There was a very good article at South Front a few days ago on the big game.
The US needed Crimea and Syria to have full control of the Mediterranean and Black sea which would enable US first strike capability against Russia.
Pipelines or Israel do not explain the US doubling down/betting everything in Syria, but enabling first strike capability against Russia does cover it.
According to the SF article, a fully fledged Russian naval base was in the planning for Syria, which would include defences that would prevent the Mediterranean from being a US lake.
Rather than reforming their system, the US bet everything on gaining first strike capability over Russia, from which point it could then dictate terms. The US lost Crimea and they have lost Syria. Because they bet everything on this strategy, they have now lost.
This is the great game Putin and the Russian leadership have been playing. If anything, Russia may have first strike capability over the US with S-500 defence systems now being deployed, and ICBMs capable of evasive manoeuvring and cutting through all US defences.
This is the big game and Russia has won. Now its just a matter of watching to see if the US will become a suicide bomber in its death throes.
https://southfront.org/on-the-verge-of-a-major-war-is-there-a-pilot-in-the-cockpit/
@ Peter AU
SouthFront, like any other news/comment setup, creates issues, articulates positions, speculates motives and explores events. I for one do not see any connection between Crimea and Syria with the first-strike option and would appreciate a bit more detail on that. Turkey is very well positioned two provide many launch sites and airbases, and so are nearby Romania and Bulgaria. Besides, as I understand it, the USA relies more on sea-based launching platforms, especially submarines, to deliver its nuclear missiles. Consequently, in my view, the adventures into Ukraine and Syria have no relation to the first-strike option as the USA already has enough territories/space from where to strike at Russia but more to do with poking the Bear where it hurts to induce a reaction and justify aggression and non-stop propaganda.
If Russia has access to the Med via Crimea and Syria it also has maritime assets (think ship based ASW helicopters) that can detect those first-strike US subs or at least cause doubt. The strategy of getting as close as possible in order to reduce any defensive or retaliatory moves is important. Minutes count.
“Aries-blindness, “main thing gas”. And the old astrologer cant escape. Too much gas during reset”
“what a shame of relief …”
this weeks reckoned fatefull week
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2016/10/10_16.html
Aries and gas explosion: another view of Aries rendering.
Impulsive raw powered expression
leaves hole in psyche’s depression
better outward bursting
than inward rebirthing
the same old, same old
set in the old mold.
sometimes there’s no other way
to break the pattern end the day
of same old/ same old
let’s open up the new fold.
and become the bold now told.
the price to pay for a fender bent
is cheaper than a time spent
in heedless hurry going faster, and faster
into time heading into appalling disaster.
Aries in time is a paradox in making
whatever it plays there is never faking
always in motion as it hits the wall
stopping itself now from perhaps a worse fall.
Time inexorable is Aries worst curb
as it always tries its laws to disturb
The energy of impulsive matter
against time’s wall does splatter
but least not as the old chatter-palaver.
So good to have you here teranam13, this poem is yet another proof of your great heart and intellect.
terra
yours is resonance moreover in rhyme
I thought would occure only after my time
but it seems in the spirit of this vineyards cafe
one can fly above the long winded way
well, my mrs has just been sacked from her care home chef job, even though the residents think she is best chef, cos company “set up” other chefs to say they cannot work with her(she is the only one there professionally -russian -trained…)…..sighs
this is the way of the world folks now………
I’m sorry JJ, I hope and wish for your mrs to find a new job very quickly. Yes, unfortunately, this world is functioning very badly. That’s why I said to others here in my comments that something is brewing, I can feel it in the air. that smell is everywhere. My mom is getting worst.
I burnt my toast trying to find the right words for both of you. Let me just say this: I am sorry. When you see some smoke rising from a toaster, know that I am thinking of you, and wishing you strength and grace for the days ahead!
ta very much 4 thoughts both you and ioan—do not get toasted!
Burnt toast can always be fed to the birds, for a ritual sky funeral?
Carbon returned to air and earth maybe, for us carbon based lifeformes……..
hmm.
Listening to oophoi spiral of time part 2 and sator by thomas brennan….amazing stuff see ya next cafe folks.
He said to me – “They want to slaughter each other”..don’t be ridiculous – Who Where..???.
He said the, the,the the that lot (shakin’) over there – Where?? I couldn’t see..everything seems at peace up here locally
He says no look down there…below…
“The Russians and Americans want to Slaughter each other”
They have both got nuclear weapons to each destroy the entire human race 100 times over
I replied – What has That – Either got to do with us English?
Do you honestly think we can do anything to stop them?
He say’s “Can I bat for The Russians?”
I reply well as neither of them can play cricket you will probably win.
Tony
Good metaphor Tony. If you can’t play the game keep out of it. That’s what Europe should do – and that has been the Yanky’s game, come at the end to claim the laurels and spoils (WWI,II)
We Know that there are Factors that Influence People, and some of those Factors are their History and Associations, and we Know that America had Confederate States, and that Arkansas was one of them, and that the Clintons were Co Governors of Arkansas, and they were Co Presidents of America, and the World is 90 % Non White, and so America’s European Allies are also Concerned over this matter.
There are Investigative Journalists who say that the Clinton Foundation has over 100 Billion Dollars, even though the Clintons Falsely claim that it only has 3 Billion Dollars, and this would make the Clintons the Foremost Plutocrats of America.
There are Many People who believe that the Clintons are Secret Co Presidents of America during what is said to be the Obama Administration.
The Clintons were Co Governors of Arkansas, and Arkansas was one of the Confederate States, and we Know that Hillary Clinton was a supporter of Barry Goldwater.
Bill Clinton is an Apologist of Senator Robert Byrd, and Hillary Clinton said that Senator Byrd of the Democratic Party was her Mentor and Friend, and we Know of the Jim Crow Laws of the Southern Confederate States, and Arkansas was one of the Confederate States, and the Video is Titled: Hillary Clinton and her Mentor and Friend Robert Byrd at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFyBscZm4P4 .
There are People who think that the Clintons should Not be back in the White House for Many Reasons, and that one of those Many Reasons is how the Clintons Mistreated the People of Haiti, even though we will Evidence that the Clintons were the Secret Dictators of Haiti, and Haiti is a Country of Black People.
While it was that Bill Clinton was the Official Dictator or Plantation Owner of Haiti, we Know that Hillary Clinton is the More Dominant of the Clintons, and so it was a Co Dictatorship of Haiti, and the News Article is Titled: The Clinton Plan for Haiti at http://newsjunkiepost.com/2015/09/05/the-clinton-plan-for-haiti/ .
After reading that News Article, we Know that a highly controversial State of Emergency Law had already been Drafted by the Clintons and presented to Haiti’s Lower House of Parliament for a vote.
This was a law to allow an Interim Haiti Recovery Commission or IHRC, led by former President Bill Clinton, to Unnecessarily run Haiti under a State of Emergency, which is a Euphemism for a Clinton Plutocratic Plantation Dictatorship.
Haiti’s Parliament was Pressured to pass that Unconstitutional Law, even after suggestions that it be amended to allow a Senatorial Commission to oversee the IHRC, but all of their efforts failed, because the Shady Deal had been Insisted upon by those who had the Reconstruction Funds, and that was the Plantation Owning Clintons, and they were able to do that because they Insisted that Donations went to the Clinton Foundation before Haiti could receive them, and only 3 % of those Donations that went to the Clinton Foundation for Haiti have as yet been spent on Haiti since 2010, and Haiti has recently been Devastated by a Huge Hurricane ,and they Need that Money that Rightfully Belongs to them, and the News Article is Titled: How the Clintons Destroyed and Impoverished Haiti: Hillary’s “Dream Government” and Haiti’s Pay to Play “Recovery Commission” (IHRC) at http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-clintons-destroyed-and-impoverished-haiti-hillarys-dream-government-and-haitis-pay-to-play-recovery-commission-ihrc/5546737 .
Hillary Clinton recently transferred Billions of Dollars to the Qatar Central Bank, and perhaps the reason is because that is Money is Owed by the Clinton Foundation to the People of Haiti, and that the Central Bank of Qatar will send that Money to Haiti, and we Know that Qatar is an Ally of ISIS and Funds ISIS, and perhaps Hillary Clinton is transferring Clinton Foundation Money to ISIS, because Hillary Clinton helped to Create ISIS to commit War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Genocide in Syria at https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=ZZUIWNGeAarM8gfC_4ZY#q=Hillary+Clinton+transfers+Billions+of+Dollars+to+Qatar+Central+Bank .
It is better late than never that the Clintons do the Right Thing towards Haiti, and they should do the Right Thing toward the People of Haiti and give Haiti the Money that they have Corruptly and Despicably withheld for 6 years, and which they Need because of recently being Devastated by a Huge Hurricane.
There could be People who think that Haiti or the Union of South American Nations are considering Filing Charges Against the Clinton Foundation in America or some other Court which is located in another Country.
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are Nasty and Twisted People, and they have done so Many Bad Things to other Innocent Countries after they Maliciously Slandered them, and they have so Many Scandals, and they are Very Corrupt, and they have Corrupted the Governmental System in America, and they would like to further Corrupt America’s Governmental System in order to Enrich Themselves at the Expense of the American People,
America is a Country which has Elections, and there are Americans who wish to use their Vote for Better Government, but we Know of the Clintons will commit Electoral Fraud, and use Slander and Dirty Tricks, and they will use the Bribed and Corrupted Treasonous Fifth Columnist Mainstream Puppet Media to Usurp the Presidency, even as Hillary Clinton Usurped the nomination of the Undemocratic Party.
There are Many Voters who think that there is no one in American Politics with more of a Past that is Harmful to America and its Allies, who is more Corrupt, more Devious, more Incompetent, more Treacherous, more of a Warmonger, more of a Criminal, more of a Hardened Compulsive Liar, more Untrustworthy, more Unfit, and more Establishment than what Hillary Clinton is, and this is Why Hillary Clinton and the Shadow Government Will try to rig the (S)Election for Hillary Clinton as much as they can, but Many Voters want Anyone But Clinton to be President of America.
This is huge and historic:
“America Has Lost” – Duterte Announces “Separation” From United States, Alligns With China; Seeks Alliance With Putin
Today during a visit to China, Duterte announced his “separation” from the United States, declaring he had realigned with China as the two agreed to resolve their South China Sea dispute through talks.
“In this venue, your honours, in this venue, I announce my separation from the United States,” Duterte told Chinese and Philippine business people, to applause, at a forum in the Great Hall of the People attended by Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli. “Both in military, not maybe social, but economics also. America has lost.”
Notice his words: “… my separation from the United states.” Deliberately done to mislead? I’ll believe a shift when the US bases are removed.
I was waiting for the Oct 21 Cafe to open. The Girls’ Week Off Cafe may indeed last all week.
I am too tuckered out from my week on too look up every thread where someone might have answered something by me, and might be waiting for a reply. Catch up to me in the next Cafe, if anyone out there is wondering why I haven’t replied.
Post it in a new Cafe, and I will likely find it, now that I am back home. The intent is to respond with something other than silence, if I see a query. If I haven’t responded it means I missed the query, and welcome the asker or any other interested party to put it on a Cafe table to give me a second chance to spot it.
Despite exhaustion, I managed some Hillaric Vitriol here:
/the-messianic-lunatic-in-her-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-286708
and now, purged of any of the slightest propensities to propitiate her prostrated and prostituted pindo proponents, I retire for the evening, ready to sleep like a baby, before 9 pm. Unable to compose a single rhyme, barely able to alliterate.
There are People who Know that a Person’s Beliefs and their Experiences Influence them, and the Founding Fathers were Influenced by these things with how they wrote the Constitution.
The Founding Fathers were People who Believed that Humans were Created by God.
They Believed what the Bible says, and that Bible Principles are what lead to Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty, and the Founding Fathers were Motivated to Safeguard Americans from the bad Experiences of what happened in Europe.
They Knew that Gravity is Invisible to Humans and yet it is Real, and they Believed in the Invisible Devil and his Invisible Demons, and most of the times they were able to Discern the difference between what is Human imperfection, and those who had the behavior of what was reflected by a Person who was in League with the Devil.
The Founding Fathers did Not want to compel anyone to believe what they did, because they viewed such behavior to be a Characteristic of the Evil Devil, and that is why they Correctly wanted Freedom of Belief and Freedom of Speech.
They Believed that certain parts of the World would at times become Controlled by the Invisible Demons who Hate Humans, and that these Invisible Demons could even become the Real Rulers or Shadow Government of a Country, because the Invisible Demons are the Masters of Every Type of Trickery and Deception, and they have Far Superior Intellect and Knowledge and Experience, to that of Humans, and they Can and they Do Easily Deceive People.
This is why they wrote the Constitution to Protect Americans from the threat of an Evil Tyrannical Government, because they Knew what was Necessary to create a Dictatorship in America, and because Corruption is Forbidden by the Constitution, then the Devil could Not create a Dictatorship in America, and so the Devil left America and went to make Wars and Troubles and Sufferings in others parts of the World.
The Founding Fathers saw the Bad results of what happened in Europe, and they said among themselves that they did Not want the Invisible Demons to create an Evil Tyrannical Government in America.
They Believed that as long as the Elected Representatives were Determined to Obey the Constitution, then the Devil would Flee from America and go to some other part of the World, where the Invisible Devil and his Invisible Demons would cause Wars and Misery and Sufferings.
The Founding Fathers were able to Understand the Proper and Vital Prohibitions Needed to be placed on Elected Representatives by means of the Constitution, along with the Guarantee of certain Inalienable Rights for the Citizens in order to Protect America’s Government from coming under the Control of the Invisible Devil, which would make it an Evil Tyrannical Government.
The Proper and Vital Prohibitions were certain Wrong Attitudes and certain Evil Behaviors, regardless of what People Believe, because Most People Know the difference between what is Wrong and what is Right, and some of these are mentioned as the Inalienable Rights of the Citizens.
It is my Unbiased opinion based on Much Observation over several decades that Hillary Clinton is a Deliberately Lawless and Evil Person and a Hardened Liar and a Malicious Slanderer and a Traitor who does Not like the Constitution, and I think that Hillary Clinton became a Secret Devil Worshipper after she became Good Friends with the Marxist Communist Saul Alinsky who dedicated his book to the Devil, because it came to him under Demonic inspiration, and that Unprincipled book is called Rules for Radicals, and it contains the Devil’s Unprincipled and Deceptive Tactics and Methods for those who are Unprincipled.
We Know that WikiLeaks says that Hillary Clinton likes the methods of the Devil, and one of methods is to infiltrate the Christian Church, and which is described in verse 4 of the Book of Jude, and she suggested that Senator Sanders could be an atheist, because Atheism is a Trait of Dictators, and the Devil is a Hardened and Compulsive Liar and a Malicious Slanderer, and Hillary Clinton is a Liar and a Slanderer with public and Private positions, and I think that Tim Kaine is similar to Hillary Clinton in many ways, and Saul Alinsky would have advised Hillary Clinton to make False promises to Catholics, and Saul Alinsky would have advised Hillary Clinton that if she became President, that she should suspend the Constitution, and then she would take the Catholic Church’s Money to pay for her failed Marxist Socialism and other bad policies, because the People Cannot pay more Taxes and the Elites will Not give one cent, even though they Received Trillions of Dollars in Government Subsides rather than being allowed to go Bankrupt by Free Enterprise Rules, and this shows that the Elites Prefer that American goes Bankrupt and worker lose their jobs rather than having a Free Enterprise Economy that give People Employment, and we Know that Senator Sanders went to the Vatican during the Democratic Party Primaries, and we Know that there are Many Catholics south of the Mexican border with America.
There are People who think that America is a Marxist Socialist Country, because it does Not have Regulated Free Enterprise with Free and Fair Competition, and that Crony Capitalism with no borders and NAFTA and the Trans Pacific Partnership is the way to Create the Equivalent of an overly Marxist Socialist Economy, while making it look like America has a job Creating Free Enterprise Economy.
The result of Marxism is Not to create prosperity, even if everyone is working, but it is to Control People, because the Government has a Monopoly on Every Industry, and Inefficient Industries receive Subsidies with Taxes, and Most and possibly All Industries under Marxist Communism are Inefficient because they are Government owned Monopolies, and they do Not have Free and Fair Competition which can Only come from Private Ownership of Industries, but Marxist Industries Constantly Need Taxpayer Funded Subsidies to support them, but High Taxes Impoverishes the Citizens so that they do not have the money to buy from these Marxist Industries, and the Marxist Economy eventually collapses, and this is why Marxism Cannot created Prosperity, but Only Subsistence for the Many and Immense Wealth for the few Clintonite type Elites, and yet there are some Public Service Industries that the Government must Fund and Manage for good reasons, and the Police is one of several examples of this.
There Must be Sufficient and the Correct amount of Government Spending, which is a Proper Role for Government, which can be called Proper Socialism or Proper Government Spending in the Economy, because the Salaries of the Representatives are a Government Funded job Creation scheme, even as with the Police, who could Not make a profit unless there was so much crime in America that America became a Third World Country, but the Police are there to prevent crime and to prevent America from becoming a Third World Country, and so the Police have to be Funded with Taxpayers’ Money, which benefits the Taxpayers and the rest of the Community, and that is one of many examples of what can be defined as Good Socialism, or Good Government Spending, or a Proper Role for Government, because it is an Investment in the Economy, and a job Creation scheme, and there should Not be any corrupt or incompetent Public Servants, or too many overpaid Public Servants for a Good Economy.
The Founding Fathers Believed that the Invisible Devil wants America to be a Socialist Atheist Dictatorship, and this is why they Wrote the Constitution to Preserve Security, Prosperity, and Liberty, and History Proves Every time, that it is Regulated Free Enterprise with Free and Fair Competition that Creates a Society that has No Unemployment and that is Prosperous, and that can Afford Strong National Defenses, and where Citizens are More Law Abiding and pay lower taxes, because Most People have jobs and are looking after themselves, and do Not have to be criminals or do Not want to be criminals, but the Clintonite Crony Capitalists want to make America an Impoverished Third World Country with High Unemployment and High Taxes with much crime, so that they can Increase their Dictatorship, and Please the KKK who like to put Black People in Jail, and Hillary Clinton called Democratic Party Senator who was in the KKK her Mentor and Friend, and the Clintonite Dictators want to be Extremely Wealthy at the Expense of the American People.
I think that Hillary Nixon Clinton Barack Obama set up, and Secretly Recorded him after he won the Nobel Peace Prize, because Hillary Clinton did Not like that he became the Democratic Party nominee in 2008, and she wanted to be the Real Secret President, and she used Dirty Tricks and Electoral Fraud and Slander to Undemocratically Prevent Senator Sanders from being the Democratic Party nominee, and Hillary Clinton has been Blackmailing Barack Obama to be her Puppet to do the Evil Things that he has done for Hillary Clinton in Syria, Libya, Honduras, and Elsewhere, and we Know that Barack Obama was Not able to prevent Hillary Clinton from having a Secret Unauthorized Clandestine Unsecured Treasonous Private Email Server, even though Barack Obama had Full Knowledge of it, and this is because Barack Obama is Hillary Clinton’s Puppet.
This is why they said that the Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance.
The Founding Fathers said that it was Not Necessary for Elected Representatives to be Christians, but there were certain Corrupt things that they were Forbidden from doing by the American Constitution along with the Ensuring of the Inalienable Human Rights of American Citizens.
This would also include where Elected Representatives are Overly Greedy and place their Unnatural Personal Interests above that of the Legitimate Interests of the Public, and these things and other things are mentioned in the Writings of the Founding Fathers, rather than the Constitution.
This is why the Founding Fathers said that there Should be a Free Press, and Freedom of Speech.
This situation with a Free Press and Freedom of Speech is Needed to Preserve the Republic and Democracy, but if it is Misused, then the Devil will try to use it to create an Evil Tyrannical Government in America.
The Founding Fathers Believed that nothing good could come from Corruption, and Hillary Clinton is the Most Corrupt, the Most Devious, the Most Deceptive, the Most Untrustworthy, and the Most Dangerous Politician in American History, who could begin WW 3.
The Founding Fathers were People of such High Integrity, and they wrote words to Remind and to Encourage future Elected Representatives to act with Principle for the Public Good, and to Self Regulate their Speech and their Behavior in an Environment of a Free Press with Freedom of Speech, so that there could be Free and Fair Competition in Election Campaigns, which is a Vital Necessity for a Democracy.
There are Problems with trying to regulate the Press, because with the use of Carefully Crafted Deceptive Arguments by those with Dictatorial inclinations, then regulations can easily be used to suppress free speech, while making it appear as though they are protecting Free Speech, but Americans Should Know that America does Not have a Free Mainstream Press, because the Undemocratic Dictatorial Clintonites have Undermined and Sabotaged America’s Democracy.
This is because American Whistleblowers Cannot give their information to Most of the American Mainstream Media, because Much of the Mainstream Media is in League with the Clintonites, but these Whistleblowers have to leak that information to Foreigners, and this is a Deplorable Indictment on the current state of American Democracy, of which the Media is a Vital Fourth Estate of a Democracy, but the Bribed and Corrupt and Undemocratic Mainstream Media have been close to the point of Treason Against America, with their Extreme Bias and their Unethical Misrepresentation and Slander of Donald Trump, and with how they have written their Propaganda for the Clintons and other Clintonites.
It is Obvious that Much of the American Mainstream Media has come under the Control of the Clintons.
We Know that Donald Trump was a Democrat who was friends with the Crooked Clintons, and this association had a bad influence on him, but he is now a Republican, and does Not do some of the things he did in the past, and he appears to have Genuine desire to Serve the American People, and this is why the Crooked Clintonites are Maliciously Slandering Donald Trump and using their Puppet Media, and even some in the Entertainment Industry to do this.
The Founding Fathers Wrote the Constitution with the Wording that they did, because they wanted to keep the Invisible Devil away from America’s Government, so that Americans could have Prosperity, Liberty, and Democracy.
There are Many American Voters who think that there is no one in American Politics with more of a Past that is Harmful to America and its Allies, who is more Corrupt, more Devious, more Incompetent, more Treacherous, more of a Warmonger, more of a Criminal, more of a Hardened Compulsive Liar, more Untrustworthy, more Unfit, and more Establishment than what Hillary Clinton is, and this is Why Many Voters want Anyone But Clinton to be President of America.