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Grunt Work: Extremely Loud Sex Interrupts Tennis Match at Sarasota Open (LISTEN)
https://sputniknews.com/society/201704191052794481-loud-sex-interrupts-tennis-match/
Remember the film Porky’s from the 1980s?
Alright,starting tomorrow we should expect an avalanche of Russophobia,and Putin-hate to breakout. Not that we don’t see that now. But there will be much more tomorrow: A 5th column “journalist” died after being beaten in St Petersburg. And there is “no doubt” in my mind the cry throughout the MSM is going to be “Putin did it”.
https://www.rt.com/news/385354-journalist-dies-suspected-beating-russia/
Here is what I saw on Twitter:
Here is another one a few days old, the crazy Jobh Bolton:
He might be right that “reunification” is the ultimate answer. But not,as he means,under US domination. And a united Korea as a stooge ally of the US.First it would take a “neutralization” of the Peninsula. With no US bases or control anywhere in Korea.And then a period of divided rule. In which the two separate regions are only “de jure” united. While being separate “de facto”. After that begin small steps to unite the two. Then they can begin to create a “meaningful” union.Probably under some kind of a Federal system.But the US plan of conquering North Korea and a forced union. So as to strengthen US control in East Asia,is a “no go”.
I agree. A few month ago, some one actually argued that Korean does not want to be united, only older generation does. SK younger generations do not think they have much in common with North, and do not want to bear the cost. However, a united Korea will out shining Japan quickly.
Yes,a united neutral Korea would be an economic powerhouse. Not having to pay “tribute” to the US. And spend massive sums on defense. Would help them greatly.
With North Korea back in focus …
brings back memories of how my family loved to watch M*A*S*H – the American television series that followed a team of doctors and support staff stationed at the “4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital” in South Korea during the Korean War.
The show’s title sequence features an instrumental-only version of “Suicide Is Painless”. (Yuk)
OMG how innocent we were back then to lap up this claptrap of propaganda.
Will make amends by studying real facts:
http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/04/18/the-historical-and-factual-basis-of-north-korean-hatred-against-america/
Interesting article…
“There’s no country in the world that needs nuclear weapons more than North Korea. Brainwashed Americans (and Aussies), who get their news from FOX or CNN, may differ on this point, but if a hostile nation deployed carrier strike-groups off the coast of California while conducting massive war games on the Mexican border (with the express intention of scaring the shit of people) then they might see things differently. They might see the value of having a few nuclear weapons to deter that hostile nation from doing something really stupid.”
http://www.4thmedia.org/2017/04/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/
Thanks Babushka for the links. Indeed, is about time people understand that the US invaded Korea, not to fight the Japanese as they had already surrendered, but to install their own puppet, Syngman Rhee, an americanized Korean, as their “own guy” dictator, and stop the Koreans from self-rule. Vietnam and now Ukraine are just repeats of the same barbaric stratagems practised and honed since the Monroe doctrine in America south of Rio Grande.
I’m sure they had already lined up “their guy” to rule Syria, except for the Russian snag on their plans on behalf of Israel Zionism.
Compared to Hitler, American presidents would win hands down on brutality and viciousness.
South Korea’s history of cruelty to its people since the 1950s is shocking and little known since their are a vassal state of the hegemon.
Terrorists lured children in with potato chips before sending off car bomb. This is how US-coalition on “moderate rebells” are working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmkK0jXSJQs&feature=youtu.be
And you know what: not a single world in our bright western mainstream media.
Discovered Saker a few months ago and being from UK (apologies for the empire) love his Russian take on news re geopolitics.
So am posting as a thank you – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ykKUkB-p4 and suggest all readers check out Larkin Rose’s book “The Most Dangerous Superstition”.
Best wishes to all.
Cooperation is fundamental for the human existence. One can decry the results of cooperation as long and loud as one wishes. Being uncooperative is possible and a deliberate choice, but not within a society built on and run by cooperation of a majority of inhabitants. For those that do not want to pay taxes, nations could ask them to pay for every state-run/-funded service on a pay-per-use basis. Road prizing, private schools, etc. pp. Doesn’t make live easier, but if someone opts for it, I won’t care.
I seriously hope Moscow is following the beating the drums for war with Iran coming out of Washington. And if the Iranians aren’t following them closely they are fools.Both Russia and Iran are quickly going to have to solemnly decide that they must stop the US now. Its past the point of return (I believe). I’ve seen this several times in my lifetime and I recognize the signs.I don’t see the question is “if” there will be war. But instead the question is “when” and where the war will be.
If the US succeeds in Syria and Iran (which they certainly intend to) they will control all the MENA. And with it all the gas and oil resources of that vital region. Which would give them the “whip-hand” over countries that import those resources (i.e China and India,among others). Russian influence would vanish from the region.
As bad as that would be,there is worse.The US destruction of Iran would mean the US would control all the Southern borders to Central Asia. Able to easily stir up terrorism in those states.And also it would put them on the border of Azerbaijan to foment terrorism there.And push terrorist gangs into Dagestan and Chechnya. And try to gain them too.That would give them all the World’s oil and gas ,minus Russia’s.Having those resources would allow them to push Russian oil and gas out of European markets.While forcing China to either knell to the US or only depend on Russian gas and oil.Assuming Russia would be able to quickly provide that much of a supply. For Russia as an independent state,the fall of Syria and Iran,would be a catastrophic disaster.
Putin has said that Russia will never again fight a war within Russia’s borders. But if the US is successful with this gambit that is almost certain what would happen.If he is serious in what he said. Russia needs to make sure Syria and Iran aren’t destroyed and taken over by the US. Russia’s only chance to not fight a war inside Russia is to fight it defending their friends.It isn’t a “gift” to those states for Russia to help defend them.Russia is defending herself by helping them. The threat to Russia’s future is to dire to think any other way.
I’m not advocating starting a war,unless there is no other way out. But I think there “might” be another way out. I am advocating that Russia proclaim that Syria and Iran are their allies. And offer them security guarantee’s against aggression from “any” state.That by itself “might” be enough to back the US off. Knowing that an attack on those states would mean war with well armed nuclear Russia. Would give pause to the US and NATO military leaders.Its one thing for them to push for war against weak states like Syria. And even though somewhat stronger,not strong enough, Iran.Not knowing how Russia would react. And thinking at the last Russia would not help them. But its a totally different matter to know right from the start that an attack on those states means war with Russia.Unless they have gone beyond saving insane. That would contain their aggression.At least for a time.
https://www.rt.com/usa/385342-tillerson-iran-many-threats/
Along the lines of what I said about the US’s plans we have this:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/23/will-washington-risk-ww3-to-block-an-emerging-eu-russia-superstate/
There is nothing new in this will. The US, as a docile dog, is doing the long term will of UK, which is the real master on the chess-field of world policy. With the visit of May at White House some time ago, the cards have been shown to Trump on who is the Master. Until 1945, Germany was the main enemy who had to be blocked from any kind of close relation with Russia, they risked even a world war (first) and later a second one, succeeding in antagonizing the two nations. Now, the situation is repeating itself, this time with the inclusion of China. Europe must be secured from Russia and the Empire is doing anything to achieve this, even risking a new war with Russia. At the moment is not clear if they want to destroy Russia or just weaken her with a “partially” war, which means destruction of Eastern-Europe – these states having the role of cordonne-sanitaire. The coming elections in France – I mean the final results (and don’t hold your breath, there will be two tours ) – will give us some points of reflection.
@ Uncle Bob:
As ever, very interesting post from you, Uncle B. Since you seem to have most angles covered, here’s something I can add to this particular suspicion of yours…
[UB Quote] “[..] Both Russia and Iran are quickly going to have to solemnly decide that they must stop the US now. Its past the point of return (I believe). I’ve seen this several times in my lifetime and I recognize the signs. I don’t see the question is “if” there will be war. But instead the question is “when” and where the war will be.”
Sharia May called for snap elections in the UK…
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Britain’s Prime Minister Theresa May called a snap election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/20/britains-prime-minister-theresa-may-called-a-snap-election-heres-what-that-means/
And while the reason for her to “call for this snap elections” is being sold to the bamboozled public as a means for her to gain a proper electoral “mandate” to negotiate “a good deal” over Brexit, I do feel the true reason behind it all is: war.
It would seem, as you rightly suspect, war is coming. And as always; Britain will jump into it head first as they always do…
…Aah! But Sharia May wasn’t voted into office, if she goes to war following the lead from the Pentagon controlled US, the anti-war camp will latch onto the fact that she doesn’t have a “mandate” to go to war. Because… she wasn’t voted-in, she just inherited the job from Cameron. (Imagine the anti-war rallies that would follow).
In other words; she’s after a “mandate” alright…. but it has little if anything at all to do with the so-called Brexit negotiations.
Meanwhile… as I’ve said, the public is being led to believe they are [ultimately] voting for a ‘hard’ or ‘soft’ Brexit, that’s if they’ll get a Brexit at all!
And since the main opposition to May – Labour Party [plus all the others: SNP, Greens, LibDems etc are all pro-EU / anti-Brexit] – don’t even want a Brexit on the first place!
Hey Presto! The only choice for the deluded (not so much “deluded” as being viciously lied to, btw) pro-Brexit voters is the back-stabbing Tory Party (May’s).
To make matters worse, all projections show she will win in a landslide. Little do the voters realize that by voting for her party they would be giving her a “mandate” not only to go to war when-ever the Pentagon says jump, but also the power to annul the infamous ‘Article 50’ and therefore Brexit altogether.
This little witch said time and time again: “Brexit means Brexit” …yeah, and if the Brits believe that, I have a nice bridge I’d like to sell to them.
It may very well turn out to be that; Brexit means “[No]Brexit” and also actually means: we’ll bomb Syria, Iraq, Iran, North Korea and even mainland Russia if we must to. And you will like it, and all just because you idiots voted for me, and I can do whatever the hell I like!
-TL2Q
[* UPDATE: And apologies for the delay on this one…]
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Boris Johnson: UK could strike Syria ‘without parliamentary approval’ – [April 27 – 2017]
“The UK could participate in US-led airstrikes on Syria without parliamentary approval, British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson suggested on Thursday.
Johnson told BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme that it would be “very difficult to say no” if US President Donald Trump requested military backing against Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad in the event of another chemical attack.
“I think it will be very difficult if the United States has a proposal to have some sort of action in response to a chemical weapons attack, and if they come to us and ask for our support, whether it’s with submarine-based cruise missiles in the (Mediterranean), or whatever it happens to be, as was the case back in 2013, it would be in my view – and I know this is also the view of the Prime Minister – it would be very difficult for us to say no,” he said [..]”
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/4/27/boris-johnson-uk-could-strike-syria-without-parliamentary-approval
-TL2Q
I think if a nation (any nation) is actually sovereign, it is a target for war or color revolution.
This being all about money, if part of the nations resources are not being paid into the empire of corruption, then empire will come after that nation and attempt to bring them in by whatever means necessary based on the “income potential”
The only way to prevent this is if the cost (to the corrupt themselves) of bringing the nation into the fold exceeds the income benefit. But everyone must realize when I say “cost” this refers to the cost that the direct beneficiaries must pay NOT the cost the government/nation that they control pays because they don’t care about that cost.
On a side note:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-21/everythings-out-san-francisco-blackout-shuts-down-bart-traffic-lights-business-acros
Without electricity to see the numbers on the screen, how much money do you have? A good thing to ponder in today’s world.
One of the few sane articles from a US publication on the Korean crisis:
https://www.thenation.com/article/this-is-whats-really-behind-north-koreas-nuclear-provocations/
Thierry Meyssan still believes in Trump playing some kind of “original good game”…
http://www.voltairenet.org/article196048.html
Yeah, maybe, Thierry.
Sports Analogy:
…………. But far too many “head fakes” can confuse not only the Unipolar Team defensive tacklers trying to save Empire (Deep State and the British and all their mental, spiritual and physical slaves like Boris Johnson, MSM, etc and other pedophiles and their protectors) from Trump dealing himself in to OBOR and dealing them out of their imperial wars , by bankrupting the Empire through Glass-Steagall and peace but also confuse most of his well wishers at home and abroad, as well.
The guy’s running around in circles faking everybody out, possibly even himself (crocodile tears about Syrian babies he blames Assasd for killing…..)and he may not even know which goal line he ends up approaching within ten yards of.
Meanwhile very, very few are enthusiastic blockers on his team and nearly everyone on the field wonders if they might have to end up tackling him, or at least desperately giving it a try.
Now that’s a lonely, lonely man.
That’s the problem with broken plays.Chaotic. Dangerous. Crazy.
The only hope that this craziness ends well is if he sees the Empire Uber Alles Goal Line impossibly blocked off by Russia, China and his own base, and some phalanx of blockers forming for a run in the opposite direction.
By confusing his own base and attempting to split Russia and China, he just looks like a nutty Crazy Legs trying to avoid getting tackled in the next 3 seconds. If he won’t recover very soon behind the multi-polar phalanx, IT may have to tackle him:
Cynthia McKinney and Robert David Steele form new PAC, give Trump til May 1 to choose a clear, positive direction:
https://youtu.be/8UfYLA7FCqQ
Rather than milling about, it would seem that people of good will, anywhere in the world, should make any steps toward unipolarity increasingly dangerous for Crazy Legs Trump and the Multipolar Goal Line increasingly appealing.
Even if, worst case scenario, Donald always was and still is Deep State, he should still be hemmed in, and tackled, if necessary, if he can’t or won’t see the daylight opening in the opposite direction.
But why must he be reined in, we are living in “idiocracy”. The rest of the world thinks he’s crazy and unpredictable with the finger on the nuclear button and that is the strength of the idiot nation.
I think that if we are ever to stop the war on Russia, we have to stop war itself. And to do that we have to understand and treat the causes of war. To do that we have to investigate seriously religion and sexuality. I have made some probes into these areas with the metaphors of the Love Army and the Love Bower.
Religion means literally to “tie back” which I interpret as returning to Source. I am most familiar with Roman Catholic Christianity since I was raised in it. I took it seriously and became a Catholic priest and monk. I left that at thirty and after a worldly hiatus of some ten years became a priest and an initiate in a new age religion which combined Christianity with the eastern religions that were coming west at the time. I left that about age sixty. I am now 77.
I have degrees in philosophy, theology, nursing and psychology. I have never lost my interest in religion. Due to disappointments with the corruptions in religion, I have had to take the best of what I learned and incorporate it into a system called The Love Government. l am attracted to this site because of its desire to stop war and because of its background in Orthodox Christianity.
Religion is centered around God and his supernatural Revelation and more natural Incarnation. I think of God as an acronym meaning Greatest Of Divinities. In the Jewish religion, God said “Do not put strange gods before me.” He is not saying that other gods do not exist but that he is over them all. For me God represents the metaphysical vastness beyond our comprehension which needs to be contacted by both reason and faith.
In the Catholic tradition Saint Thomas Aquinas used Aristotle and reason in the service of faith. The church fathers used Greek philosophy in the service of faith, as far as I know, but the Saker can correct me if needed.
For me in my present state of development, I find two problems with the doctrine of God. First, God is associated with patriarchy which makes him a war God as well as a love God. Second, the very term God comes from the Germanic Gott which has the sound resonance of “got to” as in you have got to do this.
I believe that language has a power in and of itself and has much to do with the information war. If we are to change a war culture, we have to look at language as a major cause. That is why I use the word Love in preference to the word God and assign “think love” to the Love Army’s first division. My justification for this in religious and Christian terms is from Saint John the Beloved’s teaching that “God is Love,” and especially from Jesus’ words and deeds relative to love.
If this is so, in language logic, the predicate is greater than the subject, as in the proposition “an oak is a tree” while a tree is not necessarily an oak. One is particular and the other is universal. A reversal of the terms illustrates this. To say “Love is God” is not logical since one can love without believing in God. One can believe in God and also love.
By using the word God, we receive many useful benefits but also support certain unforeseen consequences such as patriarchal war. Hence we must distinguish benign from malignant patriarchy. Even so, patriarchy per se will always remain war oriented. Loverarchy is not burdened with this limitation.
To illustrate how language “hooks” us, take feminism’s use of the word “goddess.” It wished to get away from a patriarchal God but is hooked by the word God which is embedded in “Goddess,” as in “femaleness” which has “male-(n)ess” embedded in it.
I think that religion, including Christianity, has to be developed in the sense of “returning to source.” Development should not scare us away, since Christianity developed from Judaism and was developed from Jesus by Paul and the Apostles who were developed in doctrine by the Fathers (at Nicea) who were developed by the various denominations of Christianity; and in my view developed for the worse by the Protestant movement which led to the Enlightenment and God-less narcissism and monetary technocracy.
I believe that this development of Christianity makes it the religion with the greatest potential for good if it does not stagnate out of fear. Orthodoxy, with its communitarian council of bishops sharing power, rather than a one man show Pope, has a more solid foundation.
I am attempting to return myself to the source of religion itself, not an easy task. I believe I have to do this in order to stop war. Our civilization, due mostly to Christianity in the west and middle east, has incorporated and caused much humanitarian progress but is threatened by a culture war on all sides which pushes a secular and nihilistic atheism. This can only lead to self-destruction.
The second problem associated with patriarchal religions is a corrupted sexuality. This post is getting long so I want to leave sexuality for another time. For now I want to open a serious dialogue (if only with myself in this public domain) on the question of religion and the quest for a real solution to the tragedy of war. Religion and sex are at the heart of that dark matter.
Love, Dennis
bla, bla, bla , sorry brother
your problem is your dis – belief
pray for it
I would like to walk together with you
a first thousand years
never met a mirror like you
and ioan, are you
in a silent chamber?
I need your breath
in this rational only
overwhelming
fright-chamber
Denis always comes with a di-chotomy
white and black
war and love
sex and religion
and he is right
and wrong
but his horizon is to be widened
in God’s heavenly circles
accordin to Mose
there are six days of God’s calls
and nature’s answers
and the seventh day is for celebration = 7
taking the heritage of our oldest fathers
the zodiac of God’s heaven
together we are sheltered in
12 varities each sign
in 12 “houses” of heaven
each placed on its place around
the daily horizon
and this should not be in accordance
with God from his first call for light?
heaven mirrored in spinning earth
the zodiacal key to God’s
West-Eurasian civilisation’s unconscious
spiritual crystal of order
Gods in the depth and above heaven
ruling our archytypal triggers from
beneath and above the horizon?
Denis your love army is a life-boat
of imagination I love it
but it’s boring a paper tiger
of disbelief who teached you that
you can conceive God in a
rational formula brother
I embrace you and your genius
for now my neigbor
And here is the meta-rant with the marvel
of time and sign
mundo’s-rant-on-adolf’s-day
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2017/04/mundo's-rant-on-adolf's-day.html
I hear you mundo, your rant is not there, (or is not allowed ) maybe because of adolf.
Die Deutsche Gesetze sind raus
Und Sie wirken in Deinem Haus…
The German Laws are out
And they rule in your house…
Probably you scared the shit out of them, well, Germany is a “democracy” as we know :
Das ist Hassrede – sagt der Gesetz
Und Wir hershen über Dein Netz
This is Hate speech – say the Law
And we reign over your net-glow.
You might be right, Adolf and April 20. might be ‘verboten’, but Ukrainian
atrocities are allowed, not to speak of Syrian human-rights-gas.
Try this one, whithout A. H.http:
//mundanestagebuch.blogspot.de/2017/04/mundos-rant.html
By the way, double is the rant, meta is the chart.
Cheers
Adolf is not allowed because he failed in his mission for the West. Operation Barbarossa was backed by the entire West.
The Bush family, who to this day are involved with illegal and legal arms investment as the Carlyle Group, rearmed the Third Reich, doing an end run around the Versailles Treaty.
I think no one knows this because it is almost too obvious.
It is certainly not ‘convenient’ for the prevailing narratives.
But just think for a moment of Ashcanazi Zionism, as Jewish Nazism and the pieces of the puzzle start to fall into place.
and, dear Franz ,
think a moment , who’se net is always betting on each side
but beyond Mose was and remains the zodiac to be passed by a universal wo/man into the tunnel of an earthly birth
A few weeks ago zerohedge reported that Delta-force+Seal team 6 were training to infiltrate Pyongyang, similar to “Operation Storm 333” by Spetsnaz.
Before anyone flames me for being “brainwashed,” consider some facts:
•USA has overwhelming edge in aircraft, ships, & cruise missiles
•USA has more recent combat experience than North Korea (whether or not USA learned from its mistakes is another question.)
•US military & its rulers are mostly sociopaths.
My question to Saker (or others): is the USA capable of pulling off such a daring mission?
Very doubtful. The guarding of Kim must be a very high priority in North Korea. And since North Koreans are a homogeneous ethnic group. The likelihood of any non-Korean looking people being able to “infiltrate Pyongyang” to pull of an attack would be slight. Certainly there are Korean-Americans in the US. But how many are in a Seal Team.While unknown to me, I’m going to guess not that many.But even if they somehow where successful. What makes them think that would help them.If anything it might enrage the North Koreans so much that they would simply attack right then.Firing off any and all weaponry they have against US and SK,or Japanese targets.More than likely a military official would take Kim’s place. And use is murder as a rallying cry for vengeance.The US never considers any consequences from their actions. And that blind policy will get them/us killed one day. It also might get into the Chinese and Russians minds (correctly),that the US was willing to brazenly murder leaders that they don’t like. And that they could be next. So that only the total military destruction of the US would be the needed prevention to that.And WWIII would be their move,out of self-defense.
Uncle Bob 1 got the point. I would have more courage to humiliate N’Drangheta boss than do something as stupid as to try to infiltrate to Pyongyang. North Korean society has even 10 times more strong cohesion than Finnish northeastern village community in 1920’s.
Matsi, you are right. A refugee from Russian Karelia told me his parents spoke Russian at home, Finnish at work and they all spoke Swedish. When I was in Finnish Karelia I learned many studied Russian. Partly for economic reasons. They easily get visas and buy cheap gas and other things in Russia. There is still an interesting cultural exhange between the two countries. There were many Russian visitors in Finnish Karelia and they had purchasing power.
When I was in Viborg a woman approached me speaking Finnish. I told her I am riksi ruotsalainen, a Swede from the Kingdom. She was impressed I spoke some Finnish, though probably badly.
How was it in Petsamo? How many know Finland lost its access to the Arctic? I have read horror stories about the forest camps the population was sent to. They came there in the autumn and food was delivered perhaps in March the next year. That was the Sovjets, not the Russians, doing that.
They can’t sneak into Bin Laden’s Pakistani village unnoticed, so…
If their tale is true on that. Its best to remember that unstable divided Pakistan isn’t close-nit constantly on the watch NK. And the protection of someone like Bin Laden would pale before a head of state in a massively armed state. A Seal Team attempted “hit” would be a suicide mission for its members.
We seem to have a classic process going on in, simultaneously, each of the several theaters of W3 – Korea, Iran Syria Baltics, Venezuela, and so forth. If the process proceeds there will be major kinetic conflict.
That occurs when the actor(s) believe things that are not true about the pathway they have taken. They are delusional. How is this important?
They seem to imagine that there are no material consequences to be expected to affect the actors themselves. But in the present example there are two delusions. One is that they themselves will not suffer. The other is that the engagements will go according to plan. This almost never happens, however.
And the ECW capacity of Russ combined with carrier-killer missiles… Well, you do see the delusion, eh?
They mean to do it. We are looking at a global attack profile (as they say). And of course the fellas down at the shop – in DC, in Moscow, down at the shops in the several major states everybody sees it building.
When they see you coming they’re liable to meet you at the gate, so to speak. And Tillerson blathers about “imminent threat”! Yes indeed, there is an imminent threat… but he’s looking the wrong way – does he not shave himself? I wonder…
When I see the latest anti-Trump “scandal” in the US. As a student of history,it shocks me,how ignorant so many of my own people are about history. It appears any history before 1776 is almost unknown to most Americans. It seems that when Trump was talking to Xi about North Korea. Xi filled him in on the ancient history of the Peninsula. And mentioned that in the ancient past North Korea had formed part of China. More than likely in the attempt to explain to Trump the deep connections China has always had in Korea’s history. Any history study of that period confirms that. They did form integral parts of several ancient Chinese dynastic states.And even latter after Korea gained independence they were a tributary state of China’s.That period off and on (more on than off) lasted for centuries. After hearing about that,the US “Twitter World” is outraged,denies it. And is portraying Trump as a clown,not knowing history.But instead they show themselves to be the fools,with no knowledge of history.
” In the 12th century BC Gija, a prince from the Shang dynasty of China, purportedly founded Gija Joseon (in Korea).”
“In 108 BC, the Han dynasty defeated Wiman Joseon and installed four commanderies in the northern Korean peninsula.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Han_Dynasty_100_BCE.png
https://www.rt.com/usa/385409-trump-china-part-korea/
It is typical practice o divide and conquer. Trump has claimed that Xi said he understands why Trump bombed Syria, and imply that China is disagree with Russia and Syria. Then claim China will help with North Korea, imply that Xi threw NK off bus. All those claim have proven being false.
And now this.
I can tell you I, and Chinese I know, only discuss things that is common interest with our neighbors. We consider Korean and Japanese very closely related. Many South East Asian we know are having Chinese blood.
If average Chinese like me can act respectfully with our neighbors, I am sure President Xi, can do even better in front of totally unreliable Trump.
Here is the global times article about this, and I think it did good job address the issue:
South Korea overly sensitive about historical ties with China
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1043469.shtml
And Chinese troop is training at China,NK border:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1043632.shtml
Caesar, if I recall correctly, assured posterity that India was a vassal of Rome. (There was contact at the diplomatic level, and trade, but never tribute..)
So, let’s assume that the Pope comes to dinner and tells Trump that India used to be part of Rome…
Marx said it brother, history repeats as farce…well, we have a clown, so it can’t be long until the circus starts, eh?
Doanya jus’ love a party!
Since spotting The King (Elvis) in the Window up above the E in the neon Cafe sign here, I’ve been thinking about music.
That’s what got Mark Passio in trouble. Evidently he had rebellious talent and was brought to the attention of Anton LaVey and sucked into The Dark Side for 10 years, as a result of his interest in creating music and expressing his rebellion against the superficial, hypocritical Catholicism of his South Philadelphia Italian Catholic family.
Then the darkness almost killed him, according to his account, until his own “Get thee behind me, Satan!” moment.
Now, I feel Elvis Presley was not so fortunate. And though he may have had love in his heart (and sex in his hips and his lips), The Dark Side got him and killed him.
Then there’s the rebellion thing. An area where I differ from Mark. I remember a section of Ken Burns’ Civil War Documentary……… Sherman’s men had captured a rebel soldier fighting a completely LOST (and IMHO totally wrong) cause against Abraham Lincoln and the Union Army.
The captors asked the rebel captive “WHY are you fighting us???”
His answer (which always struck me as incredibly ignorant and stupid of the bigger picture) was:
“…..’Cause y’all are down heah!”
Mark’s a bit too soft on that rebellion IMHO.
Twice, according to Kasdyrov, Chechens were suckered, and thought (about Russian forces)
“…’Cause y’all are UP here!” …in OUR mountains. But it wasn’t that simple, in either case…..again, IMHO!
iaon shared with me a German seafaring song a day or two ago. Danke! I liked it. But I need to get into that Russian boat song deeper. That was transcendental!
Meanwhile for rebels like Mark (Elvis???) I wish they’d get a little more classical:
https://youtu.be/Bm_AKMV0ME0 Elizabeth Schwartzkopf sings Schubert’s
An Die Musik (To Music)
Music: breath of statues. Maybe:
stillness of pictures. You language where languages
end. You time
that stands upright on the axis along which hearts fade.
Feelings to whom? Oh, of feelings
the transformation into what?– into audible landscape.
You stranger: music. Grown from us, you
heart space. Our most heart-felt,
that, exceeding us, presses on outward–
holy leavetaking:
as the inmost surrounds us
as most practiced distance, as an other
side of the air:
pure,
great,
no longer uninhabitable.
The link says “inhabitable” but I am having trouble making sense of that. Here’s the German, last part:
Seite der Luft:
rein,
riesig,
nicht mehr bewohnbar.
habitable wohn is “living” bewohbar mean plainly “habitable” I might translate though the thing as “worth living”
“…..’Cause y’all are down heah!”
if I get it right it’s … are down here?
But is’t this the tragedy in Donbass and the ME?
just saying
I mean it’s in the deeper “ignorant” realms below from where the answer comes,
patriarchal or matriarchal by the way
Correctomundo!
In some deplorable regional accents the “r” is not pronounced.
The “townies” in New England would invite us ivy leaguers to a “potty”. (party)
But this pervades all social classes, not just the middle to lower class “townie” girls.
JFK: “We choose to go to the moon not because it’s easy, but because it’s hahd.”
Having no accent myself, I tease all that do.
My favorite, of all time; Long Islanders.
Where are YOU from?
“I’m from Lon Gisland.”
“Ah, the Gisland!”
“Yes, the Gisland.”
what an arrow, Bro
what a gift
I love it
an american
floating a german
deeper into classical
german poetry
your mojo to me is nearest
to the yucca of Victorville
in our kitchen
meaning there’s no house in air ( but for the clouds)
and the birds?
Swallows sleep, fuck, shit and die in the air.
pure,
great,
no longer uninhabitable
is to me Aquarius the spirit
as there is no house to be build
in spirit but f o r spirit to
dwell in it
OMG Deutschland is achieving freiheit 130 years (give or take 5 or 10) since their demented inbred Kaiser got rid of Bismark to accommodate his satanic relative Edward the 7th desire to plunge the “World Island” into a century of misery and war.
Well at least in the Cafe, there is freiheit auf Deutschland! This is extremely useful and wunderbar. Makes me happy. It’s important!
This isn’t as classical, but it is German, happy and Alpine, meinen Bruder:
https://youtu.be/4g84dejrJXI
EdelWeiss the noble white alpine flower song in the Sound of Music.
Thank you Bro, with my wife, I hiked in the Alpen for 30 years but never saw
an Edelweiss. It’s for the climbers only.
I very much like this one, and the one about “Just Me and my Horse”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8slArpj_XU
the “other side of the air
pure
vast
no longer inhabitable
this “no longer” tells me: into getting outside of a star’s family
into the emptyness of “air”: it allowes the photones to pass
and the star to warm the family
Having read Mr. Leary’s “Christianity without God” post, I feel moved to step once more into the breech: Like him, I am not interested in any standard theological replies, and will not respond to any attempts to drag my part of this thread there. Readers all now where to find the Religion Incorporated material, no need to repeat it here. maybe the mods can do Dennis and I a favour by screening out the obvious noise, leaving room for innovative though. And so we go…
The source and sustaining mechanism of religion is what humans don’t know about nature and the universe. All “just believe” religious/cultural “truths” stem from the drive to explain the unknown and have comfortable certainty where none is readily apparent.
Unfortunately, the main product of the religion industry is FEAR… fear of transgressing “god’s will”, and then to conveniently supply the confession/forgiveness ritual opiate of faux certainty. And give them your money… As Carlin said, why is it god always needs your money? God owns the universe, why does he need my money? Ergo, the primary byproduct of the Big 3 Religion Incorporated industry is earthly wealth, and the power that wealth brings.
Trying to separate the personal beliefs of individuals within the matrix of the overarching religious systems is pointless. This is essentially the process employed where believers decry the excesses of radicals or corrupt leaders, while maintaining the premise that religion has the inherent god-power to bring peace. Religion BY DEFINITION AND IN PRACTICE is a historical, culture-based system of dividing humans for exploitation and/or elimination. Peace can only be won when the un- or other-believers are converted or dead. History would be far different if this was not the case. 6,000 years is more than sufficient evidence to see this truth.
Dressed up in ambiguous language originating in prehistoric oral story telling, embellished and expanded by local leaders, then committed to text, subsequently collected, edited/massaged via translation and out-right fabrication to become “the divinely inspired, immutable word of god”. But which god and what was considered “moral”, and who the enemies of said god were depended upon which culture predominated.
Religion, and those who manipulate it to their own benefit and power over those around them, has been in constant denial/retreat/retrenchment/reinvention as humans incrementally figured out what was actually going on naturally around us. Science as we practice it has serious issues, but nothing compared to religion… and given religion’s 6,000 year run of terror vs science’s at most couple hundred years… And looking to science for factual reality does not mean no morals/ethics, it means not basing fundamental beliefs on made-up ancient stories.
Thor and Zeus no longer hurl lightning bolts, and the earth orbits the sun. While the likes of Thor and Zeus have been relegated to myth by the overwhelming majority of humans, gods still survive in various forms despite most of what is displayed in the ancient holy scriptures as the main characteristics and raison d’etre of said gods is no longer reflected in the most advanced human knowledge of reality.
Humans evolved from a very small population in Africa, subsequently occasionally interbreeding with other older hominid species to form the genetic makeup at play today. No rib, no mud, no apple, no seven days, no 6,000 earth years of begats since the beginning of the universe. No turtle to be on the back of, no rivers in the sky. And so on.
The entire god-thing now hinges on the fact certain natural phenomena still defy the most advanced science, let alone the 3-dimension+time framework that humans function within during our daily life. Humans figure out the speed and behaviour of light, and religious scholars scour the ancient texts to find tenuous parallels to the powers attributed to angels and the like. OF COURSE angels and gods were attributed supernatural powers… the point was for the ancient and later leaders to be able “explain” the unknown to their followers without having any actual knowledge of what those unknown, but natural phenomena were. OF COURSE Dark Matter/Energy is the god of the Biblical trio of major religions… not.
Scientists long ago learned not to directly confront the religious, business and political establishments, who most often act in concert to maintain their particular aspect of the iron grip on knowledge and power. The pressure not to be seen as undermining the underpinnings of theological “truths” is still very strong. That religion-based pressure is too often enabled by no less than the POTUS… It is no coincidence Billy Graham and other religious leaders were frequent official visitors to the White House over many administrations. So much for the separation of church and state… “In God We Trust”. Old Queen Liz is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
As robust discoveries into Quantum Mechanics and deep space physics/astronomy, etc. progress, there are ever fewer unknown niches for “god” to hide in. No longer can the sages merely point to the sky and declare “heaven” is somewhere up there, “hell” inside the obviously dark and fiery bowels of the earth (or variations thereof). Short of attributing god’s role to some omnipotent being controlling the universe from outside it, religion is running out of options. And to continue to claim god directly knows and acts on human issues, from the singular personal to which warmonger nation has god on its “side”, is becoming more difficult as the near-instantaneous electronic data/communication in all forms (for all its flaws) shows specific humans behind most what was once considered fate/god’s will in human affairs. The local natural processes of the earth are as they always have been, unpredictable, but now not attributed to “god”. Fire, flood, disease and earthquake are natural, only the most hide-bound ideologues or uneducated still believe gods send these as “judgements”. Conveniently, the apocalypse is now nuclear bombs launched by psychopathic leaders to fulfill the Old Testament/Book of Revelation/Quran/Torah/Talmud/whatever, not god directly raining down fire and brimstone.
The age old canard of predetermination gets trotted out, genetic and otherwise. When all else fails, it is all part of “god’s plan”… spare us that noise.
The indisputable effect of gravity on the movement of galaxies all across the universe, clearly indicating the existence of 96% of the universe we cannot directly sense, at first blush gives “god” a new lease on life. Dark Matter/Energy, the Higgs bosun (the god particle) and quantum entanglement-type phenomena share many traits with what scientifically-naive humans attributed to gods/ephemeral beings… being everywhere, but undetectable, obviously powerful in determining how the universe formed/operates, yet not amenable to prayers requesting the handing to an individual all earthly wants… and BONUS, we’ll know what that 96% is when we die and our life-energy is reabsorbed into the 96%, so the rewards of the religion-explained afterlife following a moral-believer life is still possible.
Readers will notice I have avoided invoking the declarations of past philosophers and current pundits. This is intentional. Giants similar to those Newton describes standing on the shoulders of are often very right in a couple specific instances and absolutely, totally wrong in most of the rest. Newton should have stuck to the mathematics of motion/gravity, as his late-to-the-game alchemy and god-based ideas on evolution have not stood the test of time. But in those days, mathematics was still mostly a “philosophy”, not the current bastion of fact and rational experimentation. Even theoretical physics has shed the trappings of theology/philosophy, making ever clearer the boundaries between what can reasonably taken as factual, what is yet to be confirmed and what is simply unknown.
Again, novel, innovative replies only please. Religious dogma is available anywhere.
Oh man (nice try)some pitches are balls, and some are strikes.
You succeeded in blazing that one right down the center of the plate. No spin, no dip, no sudden rise!
Fast, but the size of a grapefruit.
However, I’m just studying from the dugout. I’m not in a lead-off position.
I’m at the back end of the line-up. Maybe # 9. But I’m aspiring to 8th batter. Some day.
Got to wait my turn! And see what the first 8 do. That’s one advantage of being born in the Arabian Peninsula, non-muslim, but where no other religions were allowed.
big hug brother
Ya, unlike so many here, there is no mistaking what I intend to say. Unlike religion, there is no artifice, no intentional ambiguity. Curiosity? Absolutely. But it is impossible to discover anything new if “all is known”. But that pesky science keeps on finding things that refute all those tidy god-given, ancient scriptural explanations.
I doubt any of you are at the ball park, not in the stands, let alone on the bench. Not sure you know what the game is, so doubt you’d make it to the big leagues. Oddly your analogy is about deception, the pitcher trying to fool the batter. I have no intention to fool anyone. The bat you plan to use to hit my “pitch” does not exist as you think it does. Maybe your bat is a spoon. Or a cat in a box.
Look up, way WAY up, maybe 14billion lightyears or so up… see god looking back? Sorry, no god to see there. Stare at any item you like. Keep staring until a passage in god’s bible reveals to you how little actual matter there is there, and how that matter is actually just energy in the form of matter. Now trot out that it was god’s-will that science came into being so all that information might be known.
Funny thing about the universe and the stuff scientists figure out about it… it was there all the time, even when a bunch of late bronze/early-iron age semi-nomadic tribal sages/leaders thought they had the entire god thing worked out. For a profit, of course.
Time’s up, other stuff to do.
Even theoretical physics has shed the trappings of theology/philosophy, making ever clearer the boundaries between what can reasonably taken as factual, what is yet to be confirmed and what is simply unknown.
….but not the ‘ trapping’ of money, power, and bias. No institution devised by humans ever is – notwithstanding the decidedly naïve claims of Dawkins and co.
Lee Olin’s ‘ The Trouble With Physics’ is good introduction to the power of institutions to shape the course of scientific investigation through the allocation of funding.
Wait a minute! Are you trying to say that Science is not scientific!?
Reaching for an extra bottle of wine…
Franz
I like your irony, the reference for me in this question
is
https://www.amazon.de/Atom-Archetype-Pauli-Letters-1932-1958/dp/0415120780
it’s in another house but it refers to me at the mirror like the I’Ging
and the Tao Te King
and Vladimir under God
Enjoying this discussion.
I’m currently de-constructing Academe for fun and sport. I was born into it and left when of age, so I know the subject better than some.
The more I look at it, the stranger it gets, it’s like peeling an onion. One of the things that occurs to me is that given the tenure system, the social ladder-climbing that such a system will inevitably generate (in this country anyway), and the sources of funding for scientific research (this is a whole other issue), it occurs to me:
All academic research is agenda-based. All of it. That’s not the same as saying it’s “worthless”. I mean that there is bias in all of it, and that objectivity in Western scientific research (“hard” and “soft” sciences) is a chimera and largely a myth.
I can prove this in the social sciences, and I’ve known a few chemists rather well who told me that their greatest discoveries were not due to the “scientific method” but actually were accidents or something they hadn’t thought of. Again, not to throw out the scientific method, only the objectivity of it (ditto previous paragraph)…
Cheers to all, with a little whiskey in my coffee this (late) afternoon.
Well that’s how it’s gonna be?
Dawkins… that’s the best you’ve got?… You did exactly what I warned would happen… trotted out a strawman to attach to my post, so you could criticize me by implication.
That’s Lee Smolin… first law of journalism, get the names right. And one of the main tenets of science is even if the theory/experiment yields no result, the lesson learned is that there was no result. Teflon was a “mistake”, they were looking for a refrigerant. Now if they had just kept it off cookware…
Where did I say the science project is perfect? It’s a human system where now the money too often gets directed by the wealthiest, most powerful smartest-guys-in-the-room, so is prone to corruption and mismanagement. This is not news, it is part and parcel of the dumbing-down, corporatization of the entire education system. Whether string theory is right or wrong, or somewhere in-between, it needs to be reasonably investigated and given due attention. I hope you’re not comparing the debate over string theory vs. other possible scientific theories with the “debate” of science vs creationism, even though Smolin goes there. He used that comparison to show how dumb creationism was, and string theory along with it… time will tell if string theory is is the dud Smolin thinks. Take the corporate profit-making out of research science and there would be more money for… research.
But at least science is not constantly harping on about disproved Celestial Spheres or opinions on what Biblical writers thought matter might be made of. (which the writers said little to nothing, for there are only a handful of Biblical verses than can be stretched to address anything approaching science, so anything being passed off as a Big3 Religion Inc. response to scientific discoveries came far after 1 AD, when the apostles supposedly recorded god’s last direct words on earth… unless you ask George W. Bush, god talks to him all the time)
When I see science researchers invited to the White House to tell the POTUS to at least show an example to the voters on how to behave by showing up at weekly lectures (sorry, church services, and don’t forget to drop a little something in the offering plate) to ensure he and the voters “think properly” about their place in the universe, I’ll see a meaningful parallel to religion in power/wealth base.
Playing Elite manufactured ‘religion’ against Elite controlled ‘science’ is a zero sum game that can only be lost.
There is no difference between the sentences ‘God created the world’ and ‘In the beginning was the Big Bang.’ Both statements are unsubstantiated, nothing but wishful thinking, random ideological mambo-jumbo. Short: fear-control, crowd-control.
How said Bodhidharma the other day when asked about the highest dharma?
*Wide openness, nothing holy.”
This is the attitude of both the true scientist and the true spiritual seeker. Instead of ‘nothing holy’, Bodhidharma could also have said ‘everything holy’. It is the same. The key here is ‘wide openness’.
Wide openness is too vast for any monopoly to control, for any ideology to contain, for any science to break down to any set of neat algorithms, for any religious dogma to to cover up.
Wide openness is the playground of Leela, where only adventurers, explorers, artists and lovers thrive.
Wondered how long the “let’s just sit and meditate, do yoga, eat plants and all will be well in the world” contingent would take to appear. It bears noting that while the defining ideology of the above-described path, Buddhism, defines no “ultimate god” like the Big 3, there is a large number of minor gods/goddesses/demons etc. in their belief system. Even Jesus makes regular appearances I’m told, but only as one of the many gods, not Two Of Three, a fully enclosed subset of The One God Incorporated.
(For those who don’t get the Star Trek ref, this Borg-style designation describes an individual as a number withing the numerical size of the sub-group it is attached to… So, in Borg-Christian god parlance and using the most common linguistic orders: Father is “One of Three”, Son (Jesus) is “Two of Three”, the Holy Spirit Three of Three.)
Ancient knowledge is just that… ancient. And as always, the trick is to parse out the enduring, real and true from cultural sideshows filled with the after-effects of equally ancient tribal spats.
It is unreasonable to claim that by being able to connect to whatever ubiquitous energy/lifeforce permeates the the universe, we also understand all there is to be known about it. That is like getting a shock from sticking your finger in an electrical socket and claiming you understand electrons. Or falling on your butt and claiming to know the mechanism by which gravity operates.
I will again refer to Jill Bolte Taylor, who had a massive stroke and had what god/soul/religion believers would call a major “spiritual experience”. Surgery to repair to repair the broken blood vessel and much therapy gave a good recovery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
So now there is a reasonably strong exposition of the potential for physical mechanisms which can be learned (or induced with drugs, endogenous or exogenous, or produced by injury/dying) which can inhibit/enhance brain function in key areas to produce such mental phenomena.
The question then becomes, are humans in that “spiritual experience” state actually more connected to whatever that energy/lifeforce is, or is it merely an internal observation, a consequence of our neuronal activity in the absence of certain sensory inputs and brain interconnections? Were all the best guru’s and Timothy Leary right, Astral Planing is possible? Or is it all just internal mental delusions? Lots of stuff to make up stuff about. Oh wait, the ancients already did that.
And that brings us back to the three little words I love so much: “We Don’t Know”.
The mere act of labeling and defining the “spiritual” phenomena and also defining various “energy beings” around that phenomena shows the natural human drive to understand all we find around us. That drive to learn is what science should focus on, but like all human pursuits, science is increasingly succumbing to the equally ubiquitous human greed factor. The Science Industry did not become corrupted in isolation, those roots run back to the same illegitimate aristocracy (these days inhabiting corporate board rooms and Rothschild estates) which steals from the commons, working classes and poor to enrich and empower themselves.
If the only “good” science does going forward is to remove all doubt of human-construct gods, works for me. This pulls a key manipulation tool away from the entire religion/political/militarist combine. No gods to go marching into war for, no gods to say the other gods are false, and thereby end the bogus religious divides used to incite the endless and pointless wars. Politicians and banksters will be forced to say “it’s the oil, stupid”, or say “we’re intentionally crashing this economy to make profits/power for the 0.001%”.
If only, if only…
I agree, the science has a lot of work to do, they (the scientists) cannot explain what is a soul, a spirit or even a thought – and there are abundance of thoughts in our mind just in a few seconds. They can explain that there are multiple dimensions but cannot give a palpable example only mathematical. The science say : nothing disappears but transforms, so the death is also a transformation. Every religion is pointing at the death and, at the resurrection, so, the scientific research has to begin with that too, death being the most essential “casus-belli” for humans. The religions offer an “answer” to the death, they offer an answer to the soul and spirit, I think this is the essence of religions. The humans – fairly – don’t want to accept to have lived a life just in vain (that would provoke mass-suicides). It remains the Faith and Hope. The religions give them these both. Of course, you’re right, this has been exploited in various forms and it is still exploited as we witness by religious organisations and by politicians. As I said earlier in another Cafe, the science must be given free hand in research for these issues which are probably the most important ones. One day, if the politics and religions won’t destroy the world, the science will make that break-trough.
Agreed… Yet… science cannot explain these things YET. Would it matter if science never could? Gravity still works despite science’s continued inability to explain the mechanism by which it operates.
Why should humans have any more expectation of “purpose” in life than any other organism? Because we are aware of our life and mortality in greater degree than other organisms? Because we made up the concept of god as the cornerstone of morality/ethics and built societies that dispense the rewards that come with any particular stripe of that belief? Or just because we still believe the universe revolves around us despite the mounting evidence to the contrary?
Self awareness does not automatically infer a soul/spirit exists (god bestowed or not), or that same is required to bring meaningful purpose to human lives.
The possibility exists that any “soul/spirit” we may have is actually hindered by our self awareness. The experience of Jill Bolte Taylor gives one pause about the nature of our perceptions and which parts of the brain do what.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
And what defines a life lived “in vain”? Why would your premise lead to mass suicides, except that people had been wrongly taught (indoctrinated without their full knowledge or consent?) that their lives meant nothing without god…
If religions only delivered the best bits of faith and hope, soul/spirit and even to the white lies to assuage of the fear/sorrow of death, I admittedly would have less to argue against. But it’s a package deal, the hate/warmongering abuse of the god concept would appear to have been an integral part of religion since before recorded history.
Make no mistake, Putin is a calculatingly using the resurgent Orthodox Church to unify the Russian public. I only hope his belief is genuine, or at least not cynical.
The thing I cannot fathom about the religious/political leadership combine in the Zionist/US/NATO/EU regimes is how the public of those countries do not see the naked deception on obvious display. “Religious values” spouted ad nauseam while killing, starving and displacing innocents worldwide.
Why should humans have any more expectation of “purpose” in life than any other organism?
Because they are the only species who have the concept of purpose.
No other species has language to convey concepts – and I do mean language the system of representation, from the languages of the world to mathematics which is unique to humans.
As distinct from the lazy generalization ‘ communication’, often used by the high priests of genetic determinism ( and die-hard materialism) to ‘ explain away’ why our ‘ closest cousins’ ( the apes) have never generated even the most rudimentary of alphabets.
Do you not realize that the principle of cause-and-effect, on which scientific method predicates its claims to truth, is just a variation of purpose?
And that the prohibition on lying (Satan being the Father of them) by all religions ( characterised as sin) is no different from the true/ false bedrock of scientific method?
Both abstractions – ‘ religion/ science’ – are functionally different: one seeks to offer a faith- based ‘ solution’ to uncertainty, the other a knowledge- based solution.
But science cannot solve the question of cosmic significance for humans, so has no role to play as an antagonist to religion.
Both science and religion as institutions seek to control human nature – with control currently in favour of the former through the the Cult of Genes ( genetic determinism).
So I consider your
oppositional dichotomy to be a red herring, despite agreeing otherwise with much of your original post.
@ eimar:
So: Humans can have the expectation of some purpose because they can conceive the concept of it? Do you get dizzy going round-and-round on that circular thought? Humans have the same “purpose” as any other lifeforms on the planet. The purpose to be whatever lifeform you are, from a contractile vacuole to a human. Dragging god into this to make humans “special” is the core of the problem.
How important are humans to life on earth? Well take away all the microbial biomass and there’s isn’t much left organically that would survive. Life on earth survived quite well for a few billion years before humans recently showed up about 200,000 years ago to start destroying the place.
You said: “But science cannot solve the question of cosmic significance for humans, so has no role to play as an antagonist to religion.”
Nice trick… science cast as the aggressor, an antagonist to religion. It is Religion Incorporated which obstructs and attacks science. “cosmic significance”??? code for Kahane? Pretty standard pro-god stuff, goes a long way ’round to say “have faith, it’s god”.
Too much weapons of mass distraction, so little time.
@ Nice Try
*Sigh.*
I guess we could ‘ go round the mulberry bush’ all day and remain at cross-purposes.
I am also an agnostic – only further advanced in my awareness of my ignorance than you. (That the ‘ Unknowable’ cannot be ‘ known.’
Something at least believers in whatever god/ gods grasp by default, unlike atheists who believe the ‘ Unknowable’ can be refuted by what they misguidedly call ‘ logic. Heisenberg’ s axiom might help.)
The ‘ boxing match’ is only in your head.
Unless you think the US Creationists v Darwinists controversy exercises all adherents of any religion versus skeptics of all stripes?
What does it matter to Buddhists?
To Yorubans?
To Catholics?
Answer – it doesn’t.
The question of whether or not our capacity for representation ( should have included art, as well as language) has cosmic significance won’t be answered by scientific method: that is a question for philosophers.
For some, satisfactory answers are found in their religions .
You seems to have a ‘ faith’ in the capacity of science to ‘ deliver us from evil’. Sure, it gave us the means to fly, electricity , medicines that actually work.
But it also gave us the atom bomb,the technology to mass-murder, to poison the earth with industrial chemicals, eugenics and ‘ cures’ that are sometimes worse than the disease.
So for me, the merits of both religion( s)/ and science(s) are not intrinsic, but based on outcomes.
@ eimar: How can anyone be “more advanced in awareness of my ignorance” than I… my credo when at the end of a concerted effort looking at the most authoritative sources available, to confronted with the unknown is (and I have repeated it many times here at Saker blog)… “I Don’t Know”.
The rub is, I don’t acknowledge that anything in the universe is unknowable, there only the currently unknown. I also think making up labels to infer some reverential holy/spiritual/divine aspect to the unknown (and therefore your choice for some of it, unknowable) is to fall into the trap set for us by the ancients and perpetuated by religion/mystics. Leads to a lot of chanting and listening to old men in funny outfits and weird hats. A great deal of we now accept as perfectly natural was once considered of “cosmic significance”, even though the term had not been invented. Odd how new euphemisms for mislabeled unknowns arise as the religious/mystical must yield to new knowledge.
I have no problem GUESSING that some understanding of Dark Matter/Energy may eventually resolve many near-universal human beliefs like reincarnation, angels/demons and other “spiritual” phenomena. But like Chrystal Spheres holding planets and lightning being a god’s wrath, the reality will probably be far different than the ancients postulated and used to psychologically control the masses. The grains of truth in the ancient scriptures get smaller and smaller as the volume of knowledge grows.
No, the “boxing match” plays out where ever armies kill believing god is on their side. If the theological conflict remained within the confines of universities and prayer groups, ya, it is only in people’s heads. But heads are connected to bodies and those people will follow the methods demonstrated by Milgram and Zimbardo to commit inhumanity on others, on the illegitimate authority of leaders backed by religion/mysticism.
Knowledge has a better chance to “deliver us from evil”, where obscurant religion/mysticism has been repeatedly shown to be deficient in both natural fact and in the ability(will?) to turn the leaders and cultures to peace. About 50,000 years since the first prehistorical evidence of potential spiritual activity, about 6,000 of recorded spiritual history and where is the peace via divine knowledge which was promised humans by those controlling the god narrative? If 1/4 of human existence isn’t a long enough “test’ of religion/mysticism in all its forms, then what is? Or if one wants to chase the beneficent “unknowable” back to the Big Bang, 13billion years? Or to infinity and beyond?
The outcomes have already been seen, and while generalized criminal violence has been steadily trending down since forever, war violence has maintained a fairly steady pace. The fact 34,000 people per day are displaced by conflict or persecution should give pause for the success of “our better angels”. (and before you go off on a Pinker-rant, he, like most sci-philosophers gets some things right and others very wrong).
I have no great “faith” in science, especially as corrupted like you demonstrate by the bankster/corporatocracy and sociopathic leaders, but what I do believe makes a big positive social difference is literacy and critical thinking skills in the general population. Religion/mysticism too often obstructs any information or inquisitive though process which does not fit the ancient scripts, creationism as but one glaring current example.
And while correlation is not proof of causality, general social violence dropped more quickly as literacy/education proliferated. Religion/mysticism has been ubiquitous since forever and should have finished the job of peace millennia ago.
One of the problems with the religions is the fanaticism, which leads to the exactly opposite of what the religions are teaching : arrogance, hatred. I don’t need to go to the church every Sunday (or Friday or Saturday) to be a better human being. Being grown up in a communist country, I knew communists who were really good people even if going to church was not appreciated but not prohibited either. Many newly (or not so newly) formed sects are too offensive but the freedom of faith allows it, people can choose what they want, go to church or go to a brothel…each man is free. By imposing religion is like imposing communism by force, once the majority of people are not yet at that level – so to speak – to understand certain things, the impositions make only the things worst. Anyway, the human being is such a creation in itself, that loves to accumulate experiences and that is not bad, he/she needs that to further develop his/her soul. We fear the losses : the loss of our beloved ones, family members, friends and we cannot accept (or very hardly) that we shall never ever meet again with those loved ones. That’s why the Hope ! The sufferings and many tears left behind by many mothers, children, men, women, during
the time would be in vain, if there would not be any Hope for a Happy End. That’s the human character and we cannot change it, or if we can, than we will become some Cyborgs.
@ ioan: You had me nodding yes, until the necessity of a soul for Hope, and thereby for a Happy End denouement. And then Cyborgs.
I long wondered, when did homo sapiens acquire a soul? In Africa 200,000 years ago, when the handful of survivors struggled to avoid extinction? How did that whole occasional interbreeding with other (obviously soul-less) hominids affect human souls? Did humans only get a soul when they figured out the concept of god? Or were all human genetic predecessors given a soul, all the way back to (beyond?) the marine worms which just happened to evolve in a way to lead to all vertebrates. What about all the non-human producing organisms which developed from that specific worm genome, were they not favoured by god or the divine with a soul… as in not developing in the direct lineage of humans dispossessed the side-branch organisms of soul?
Yup, simply claiming a god-given human soul “must” exist is fraught with more and more unanswerable questions as science figures out more and more.
I don’t see how humans are destined to be Cyborgs. Or even mere meat-puppets (which is what I think you really mean, not human/mechanical/electronic hybrids), animals simply going through the motions of life because only a soul bestowed by god or the divine can give our lives meaning and that end-of-life hope?
Do not assume I dismiss the massive amounts of reliable empirical, anecdotal information regarding energy/life-force and obvious fact there is DEFINITELY something real under the umbrella of “intention” and “energy work”. I have seen so much that simply confounds the industrialized/pharma/surgery model of healthcare. But if I break a leg, I won’t be heading first to my energy healer… it’s get to the ER for X-rays, surgery if very severe and a cast, THEN to see my reiki master.
What is the mechanism that reiki operate under? (and other demonstrably effective energy-healing methods) There is far more than the placebo effect at play, which medical science likes to sweep it all into, while grudgingly admitting of the obvious beneficial effects, “we don’t know”. But I bet science will find a definitive answer long before god shows up to divinely reveal all (assuming the psychopaths don’t blow us all up first).
And not knowing is OK.
I like it when I’m provoked by intelligent people like you, nice try. Regarding the souls, yes, the animals have souls and each one of them has his own character, even in the same species. You know probably, I have a dog, I have taken him from the street, he was dropped out just like many others on his fate. When we go to the daily walk I use to say ” my little dog takes his bigger dog for a walk”. I love animals pretty much and don’t consider humans as being so much “super” over them, nevertheless, human can do good but they can harm. Not just other humans but the whole nature, man is behaving like a god on this planet. Just imagine, if some much more civilized aliens came here, will they make a contact with this actual humanity ? more so, after observing their behavior in every corner of the Earth. It is much to talk about this subject and probably we shall return, meanwhile the policy makers are struggling to keep us on the edge.
Animals do indeed have consciousness – which increases / decreases with their approach to the top of the consciousness ‘ chain’ – namely humans. So ants have a tiny bit of consciousness, while dogs and cats have much more.
Soul is a distillation of consciousness, and the degree of ‘ soulfullness’ is a function of individualism/ uniqueness.
Your dog’ s eyes reflected his consciousness of you – especially your love of him.
And that love was unique to him, so further individuating him as a unique and irreplaceable. It helped form his soul.
Perhaps one day we will understand the role of emotions in the formation of spirits – particularly how they differ from mere feelings:
I distinguish between feelings and emotions through the recognition the former have meaning ( we know why we feel sorrow/ grief ( emotion), but not why we feel ‘ sad’ or ‘ depressed’ ( feelings).
It seems language – which enables the ‘ why’ of what we feel – has a much greater significance than we gave yet managed to divine.
So when you look into your dig’ s
Whew- this is just the kind of thing I’d usually jump on (and I may yet do so).
But at this moment, I’m in this kind of mood. Goes well with a good cuppa..
k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93vQD9rNcc
Nice try- you would do well to try a little harder to seek a more encompassing narrative of humanity’s relationship to the Divine. It seems a bit arrogant on your part to dismiss all the wisdom of the ages as inferior to your mental construction about the fallacy of God. Kepler proved the “Harmony of the Spheres’- that the planetary orbits in relationship to the sun are in similar mathematical ratios to the notes of the musical scale. There is Divine music in the cosmos. Humanity and the earth belong to the larger body of universal existence. Manifest creation is the result of great cosmic influences that work upon matter. Look at the development of an embryo or at a Nautilus, and be humbled in realizing the power and the Glory of the Divine. Wonder, reverence and humility before the Majesty of Creation is the secret door you keep passing by while you are so mentally preoccupied disproving God.
Think with your heart
You’ll see the world anew
And come to understand
The mystery is the clue.
k
All peoples of all continents of all time believed in a) reincarnation and b) gods – plural ! – until the unfortunate onset of the Elite driven meme of the One God, that – aren’t we lucky ! – just happened to declare us the chosen people and everything and everybody else eternal outcasts.
Fake news! Fake religion! Fake science! For the purpose of mass mind control.
Gautama Buddha, interestingly, never talked about God, heaven, afterlife or any other metaphysical concepts. Why? Because it would have be been un-scientific to talk about the in-expressable. Instead he insisted on meditation, as if saying, “there are no ready made answers to the great questions of life. Be scientific. Go meditate and find out for yourself.”
Check out http://www.eternea.org…..?
Nice sermon, save it for the meditation session. It is arrogance to claim that the ancients had a total claim on defining the unknown in the universe as “divine/god” and beyond comprehension. And my position on the most persistent of that unknown is simply “I Don’t Know”. I don’t need the magical thinking the of ancients carried forwards to feel safe in the universe.
Claiming a “divine” is only a clever theological sidestep to avoid the whole “different supreme gods” argument. For me god and divine are interchangeable terms/concepts for this sort of discussion. A catch-all for the unknown and a vehicle for some claiming a special knowledge, and too often profiting from it. I wonder if the vengeful Abrahamic god is angry with Buddha for demoting him to an also-ran god. And since Buddha is not a god and a total pacifist, will the Abrahamic god beat up Buddha in revenge?
I refuse to limit my understanding by a priori assuming divine intervention in natural processes. There is no supernatural, only natural we have not yet figured out. Ultimately even if there is a god/divine, that is a natural part of the universe (or beyond).
I have a lot of questions for god, and having his advocates here on earth merely say “it’s god” to any unknown phenomena is of zero help. All-present, omnipotent? Surely god is capable of direct communication with a few billion of his chosen souls, given the rest of the universe appears to be on autopilot. Only speaking directly to the Pope and George W. Bush seems a bit odd for a god.
Are all the things you mention amazing? Absolutely. But are they proof of god? (the “divine” in your chosen euphemism) No more than a lack of understanding about lightning was considered proof of Zeus and Thor.
Maybe you should know that while certain frequencies correspond to certain musical notes, when building/tuning musical instruments, the frequencies are slightly tweaked (tempered) across the audible range to compensate for the presence of over/undertones and human subjective hearing preferences related to that. In other words, all the notes played are not the exact frequencies so it “sounds” right to humans.
So to extend the music metaphor directly to planets is a big ask. Like so many of his time, Kepler cross-connected many disciplines having insufficient information to come to accurate conclusions. He should have just said about the old “music of the planets” debate, “I Don’t Know” and left it alone. Ironically Kepler ended up putting his name on that work while trying to “refine” the work of Ptolomy using new elliptical orbits and non-Pythagorean musical scales/tuning.
Like Newton, Kepler was very correct about some things and very wrong about others. That is the nature of humans trying to make wider sense of the universe and all it contains. The error is in assuming infallibility, either in historical great and learned men, or in the ancients’ ability to know what “god/divine” is and accurately define (or euphmistically avoid defining) it for mass consumption.
“ancients”,” divine” check this out, maybe start with sacred geometry or the seven musical scales.
Doh! http://www.smphillips.mysite.com/
Nice comments kinterra and _smr and nice try,
Who stirred the pot, with Heaven, earth and sky.
Existence’s Paradox & Riddle
God’s a most vexing paradox
The direct reverse of my dog.
Evil’s a helluva bad-ass riddle
In a soup gloopy spiritual fog.
Is this Universe totally insane,
Lacking knowable Natural Laws?
Are we just meaningless effects,
Or a Part of a Greater Cause?
A Lab tech’s mere presence
Alters the physics experiment…
Mind’s a part of the equation:
Cosmic fun and merriment!
God’s absent, a deadbeat Dad
That so soon abandoned us
To our own pathetic devices?
Such a resentful Oedipal fuss!
Could it be He’s really a She?
OMG! Gender, such confusion!
God-dess, a sexy mama Gaia?
Is all a dream, an all-wet illusion?
No parcel or particle, is perfect,
That’s for Gaia-Gol-darned sure!
But is anything really missing
From the Whole? Are we poor?
Bedeviled by dearth of solid facts
Or is all this Irony just far too rich?
No God, no Cause for any of This.
Pitiful! Sad! Funny! Which is which?
For many thousands of years
Mid the bustle, wars and clatter
Our ancestors investigated This,
All Spirit, Thought and all Matter.
We could say they really mucked
It up and got it all so serious wrong.
Science? I love it! The more facts,
The more for deeper Truths we long!
I’ve wracked my weary silly brain
All night, a working on this riddle.
It’s dawn! Can we agree to disagree,
And meet somewhere in the middle?
Good one again, saved for posterity ( or post-senility, if I think at our age, without provoking an outrage…)
I would agree, this has been a very beneficial exercise, with many questions Bro 93 poetically circumscribes remaining.
The “riddle’ could be so much clearer were it not for the persistence of those who “just believe” because that’s what “was written”.
Dispensing with gods and mystical thinking does not mean there is no basic and non-negotiable human responsibility for moral/ethical behaviour. Quite the opposite. Humans cannot hide behind the “jealous” and “vengeful” god demanding they go to war or allowing them charge too much interest from foreigners.
The human moral code is already written, with no mention of god other than it being anyone’s right to believe in one… but no where does it say it’s OK to go to war thinking god is on your side.
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html
Check out developments of the “SoulPhone” by Professor Gary Schwartz?
What planet are you from?
Solid, educating and balanced article by Dr. Anthony F. Shaker. Worth of reading. “Trump’s Art of Confusion in Syria”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/trumps-art-of-confusion-in-syria/5586124
After a recent experience with the docs :
Medicare barking
Bow, wow, barked the doc
leaving his patient in the fog.
Bow, wow, barked the patient
“but doc, you took my last cent !”
“What is your age ?” – asked the doc
“I’m old enough but not on slope ”
– said the patient in his hope.
“In that case you had enough,
take your pills and have good luck…”
Good to know we have such docs
And paying our bills of care on nuts…
Let there be Mercy!
k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xo165fW500
Nice!!
Kent
Thank you, beautifull into the night
Mundo
Here is some irreverence from a member of the Hole in the Wall Gang ( another meme that lurks in the Cafe which is not necessarily contrary to the Love Bowerites ) courtesy of Bon Jovi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho
and a poem from Hafiz, one of my beloveds:
Dropping the Keys
The small man
builds cages for everyone
He
knows.
While the sage,
Who has to duck his head
When the moon is low,
Keeps dropping keys all night long
For the
Beautiful
Rowdy
Prisoners.
Of course nice try is right: This ain’t that Masonic game of 9’s and 3’s about “base” consciousness.
Or is it?
I was just trying to lure Leary into being the lead-off man.
Didn’t work though.
Too much attention makes him shy.
And like a good coach or scout, I was sharpening my eyes for who might be “clean-up” hitter.
‘Cause I was pretty sure this god/anti-god discussion was gonna get good and messy……”pretty fockin’ fast”.(as a Norwegian crew-mate of mine, would say, with that unique Scandinavian cadence ………………….. even without Leary and “communal sex”.
A lot of people feel burned up about religion. Especially ones that were trained in it as children, when their emotions were naive and infantile. I never had that problem. But I recall some thirty years ago the hatred for his trainers that an adult I met harbored, when he discovered (he said) the astro-theological antecedents to his Christianity, which he then felt obliged to jettison, in resentment, anger and shame for having been so stupid as to have been so thoroughly deceived.
What the hell?? Why so ego involved? Can you (he and other up-tight creatures) try to lighten up a little, already??
Speaking of mathematical “certainty” and irrelevant sports here’s where the two meet in irony:
Local Southland sports talk radio host established himself some years ago as a true peer of his deplorable ignoramus listeners by a regularly played few seconds of recording plugging his program: “Travis Rogers morning sports talk radio. Start your mornings with a smile and a smirk.
There are a lot of subjects I don’t know anything about. But I know TWO things: I know sports, and……..I know sports!”
This was around the time that all the mind controlled idiots in my neck of the woods were barreling down the freeway in their F-150s with American flags whipping in the wind, fantasizing that they were “defending their freedoms” from…..from Saddam????
Anyway, why get uptight about a cosmic joke you don’t “get” yet???
Relax. It’ll come.
Can anyone explain the Russian court’s ruling on the Jehovah Witnesses as “extremists”, with assets stripped and unable to congregate?
Al Jazeera is spinning it like all non-orthodox denominations are in the firing line as possible proxies for the West. But I mean ,i know they can be *extremely* annoying, but this is the sort of thing I expect from Israel.
They are similar to Scientologists in that they expect total obedience to the dictates of their leaders, with plenty of negative reinforcement thrown in: “You’re going to hell if you don’t do what we say.” That kind of stuff.
They tell everyone that only 144,000 of the most pure and holy Jehovah’s Witnesses are going to heaven (based on their ridiculous interpretation of the book of Revelation) and everyone else is going to hell. Very coercive and dark.
Since Russia is working on cleaning up the Scientologists it seems logical that they would move on to the next group of crazies on the list. Слава Богу.
Andrew, anyone truly familiar with JWs knows that they don’t preach hellfire or the immortality of the soul. I’m not sure where you are getting your information.
Friend, I think you may be confusing “JWs” as you call them with 7th Day Adventists. What I said is quite correct. If you’re really interested and don’t have access to a real theology text like Pelikan’s Christian Tradition you can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_beliefs
https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/news/clintons-assistant-j-w-mcgill-found-dead
another coincidence.. worth reading too.
Shakespearean tragedy in the 21st Century. “Murder, most foul.”
Everyone knows there’s a high risk of heart attack for persons in their 30’s.
If they know something about Hitlery she can’t afford for any others to know, that is.
Janet Phelan says, in part: “The US has now been caught red- handed in another covert program, facilitated by a secret handshake with selected pharmaceutical companies, to supply pre-determined targets with “imposter pharmaceuticals.” These imposter pharmaceuticals, which come in the same packaging as ordinary pills, will cause heart attacks/strokes in those who unwittingly consume them.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/12/isis-now-alleged-to-have-chemical-weapons-but-who-did-they-get-them-from/
So the old Tylenol affair was inspirational. – they say that it was an inside job – anyway the claim makes some primitive sense…
about halfway down the page, brother.
But always remember to doubt. What am I bringing into my space?
But the incredible story of the miraculous death might be explained by the claim.
Another hazard to avoid:
The Gaping Gullible Maw
One’s maw is like a drawbridge down.
One’s ears admit foolish clatter,
As if quality really doesn’t matter.
Eyes wide open but asleep
Are windows through which
Enemy commands will creep.
So, the defensive perimeter
Must be pushed further out.
When psychopathic poisoners
Haunt pharmacy mailrooms
And pederasts and satanists
Are in the realm and roam about
Stealing children and innocence,
And jets spray us like so many bugs
While our toothpaste encrusts
Our central command headquarters,
(That receptor and transmitter pineal….)
Until a mass of zombies cry
And salute the flag and swear to die,
Defending the occult swine that lie.
All so that they need not think! Unreal.
Mars now in Twins
in Mercury’s command
Mercury in Mars’
command in Aries
they do the Uoroboros
two heads biting two
tails
http://mundanestagebuch.blogspot.de/2017/04/der-ouroboros-von-mars-und-merkur.html
Mercury on way back
into blindness of ire
and innocence
and the woken mind
in man is waiting for
the mercuryan candidate
next week
what can wed do with this?
forget about it
and remember
Mundo….amazing photo on timeline photos Facebook from/via fantastic things in the world ….of Mercury Venus Saturn exactly positioned over the pyramids peaks……only happens every 2373 years…..sorry cannot copy paste link
Shades of Venus moving into Aries this coming week? from BBC and demos by wives of French policement
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39679097
Good morning to all in whatever time and space zone you are in. Here in this part of Southern California it was very, very windy all night long; as the winds blew south over the high desert and down the canyons carved by rivers from millions of years of wear and tear, to the valleys like this one where I live on its extreme northern verges, and then out to the Pacific Ocean where the dust settles into the primordial waters of creation.
I see the wind as spirit in the traditional sense of pneuma or breath, interpreted by Catholic and Orthodox as the Holy Spirit in the coming Pentecost, 50 days, including Easter (or 49 [7 x 7 weeks of days]) after the Great Pascha of Easter, a gift of the Father and Son–and as Nature’s zeitgeist or spirit of the times in earthly terms which reduces to our breath rising and falling as a sacred-sexual, meta-physical experience connecting us to our source of sources.
My own personal take on these depths at the borderline between knowledge and love is the art of the Love Army and Bower, a personal meta-story designed for the times. In other words, the Love Army is stirring up these winds (and is still doing so as I type) in order to clear the batting circle decks for the new zeitgeist of love bases full home-run unbound hit heard around the world.
That’s pretty far out and near in, so don’t worry about it and let it pass. I’ll switch keys to something more practical and present. What else but Trump? The star of stir himself, stirring up one wind after another, a perfect tool fool of the Love Army.
I wouldn’t write him off too quickly as almost everyone here seems to be doing. At the very least give him the benefit of the doubt for the gift he gave us in delivering us from Hillary. Despite appearances, Trump is not a one man, narcissistic show. He could never do what he’s doing if he did not have powerful backing. I’m talking about folks who have money that dwarfs the Rothschilds’ and the Rockefeller’s peanuts in comparison.
Trump’s cabinet is composed of billionaires. That should tell us something. Trump might be holding back his trump, don’t you think, and drawing out the other players in the art of the deal? And to suppose that Putin is not savvy to what Trump is up to is to discredit Putin.
In Hegelian dialectic, two sides oscillate like a pendulum so it’s important to not get distracted by the moves of the minor league losers but watch the middle manager which for me is the Love Army and Bower. Every action results in a reaction. For example, the astounding success of the Zionists is a set up for their fall, which we can already see in the Trump phenomenon which is not limited to the Donald.
Donald is being used by powerful forces that are ahead of the Zionist curve and are surfing it rather than being buried by it. Currently, the Anglo part of the Anglo-Zionist marriage is already passe and divorced because the English speakers have lost the war of words to the Hebrew Talmud. We are moving into the age of an Anti-Zionist/Zionist dialectic with Trump trumpeting the “changing of the guard,” according to the neo- CIA Dylan, Matthis and Jones. “Something is going on but you don’t know what it is, do you Mr. Jones?”
Before coming here this windy am, I skimmed what I missed since I last posted. It looks like a sumptuous moveable feast for sure, and I am looking forward to going over it with relish a bit later. But I just could not wait to see which way the wind was blowing and had to follow my parking-meter instincts of going out on a limb and shooting from the hip. I am so happy I found all of you in this Love Cafe. Every comment is a gem of wisdom and a pearl of great price.
Prior to my reading from the cafe unrolling scroll here I walked out among the sacred geometric art that I have created here over the years. The dawn was just beginning to show her lovely face so that her flashlight took the place of mine. A bright crescent moon with a bright Venus planet was preceding the sun in a starry parade before the fading stars in a spectacle only mundo or terra-name can integrate.
Sometimes I just don’t know what I am going to do; I was all right until I fell in love with you. I mean I was all right in thinking I was right which turns out to not be right but left off unfinished. “I was older then; I’m younger than that now.” The sun is just now cresting over “yon eastern hill.” A new day is dawning. I wanted to touch bases with you before I get on my way. Bro may be eighth in the line up so I can move up from bat boy to ninth.
No matter what I say, I am going to be misunderstood so I might as well say what I think and feel within the bounds of moderation. Love keeps pushing me to break all the rules for you so what can I do? I’m just a fool for you and tool in the Great Game of Love. I’m just a typist trying to keep up with the spinning wheel.
Keep on keeping on with your vision and version of truth because you might just be hitting clean-up when you think you’re heading for the dug-out after striking out. Don’t count Trump, yourself or me out just yet. Each one of us is a star like the daystar I can see now through the polyethylene sheeting of this makeshift outdoor office/kitchen love cafe west.
I love you all, each and every one. May the Holy Spirit in religious terms and my natural breath in earthly terms and communal sex in metaphorical bower terms hold me to my word when the hard winds of testing time comes at the end of the semester of my days.
Love, love and more love…until I’ve read again what you all have written here on the walls of this moving cafe with so much love and care. Carpe diem!
I saw that Latin in a strip mall the other day. Carpet Diem. But I don’t like carpet, generally.
Or carp for that matter, preferring salt water fish.
I’ve been too tired for my morning walk, what with all the driving I’m doing these days. So I’m falling behind on all those major and minor points of light, and appreciate the reports on what they are doing. “As above, so below” so look high first, THEN look low into the small self, for correspondence.
Michelle Obama and Hillary had it backwards. But they weren’t even talking about the reality of the heavenly sphere of influence.Their concern was merely doctoring earthly fake news spin.
My time to first base is about 25 seconds, so you got the 8-spot, Leary.I’m just scouting from now on.
Religion is right in your wheel house, so step right up to the plate. Your main problem with this pitcher (nice try) is your preference for the feminine curve ball (egg). But he just throws heaters and brushes back Bible beaters. So don’t crowd the plate.
If the Donald stops acting squirrelly with the truth and goes to Confession (publically!) I think Vineyarders may give Redemption a chance, but these patriotic Money Bags….I don’t know who they are……I’m just leery that personal wealth preservation and augmentation as a priority does not inspire confidence that great leadership is steering things in his close circle of friends.
Demonstrations of my error in judgment will be most gratefully received! But guts and judgment are the gold Trump needs, not fake One (Mon) eye….mon-ey(e) IMHO
Take Care!
OK. I know that most folks here cruise by The Duran and check it out but this article puts Adam Garrie on my top list of truth tellers ( plus he can write a mean bit of cheeky poetry worthy of our The Cafe here)
http://theduran.com/3-reasons-why-immoral-men-and-women-prosper-in-the-modern-west/
I have friends who are teachers who lament it all and have seen the changes since the 1970’s: the destruction of culture in America..
And some of the destruction is deliberate and hides under the guise of “plausible deniability” i.e. the incompetence of a few ” bad apples”
https://www.rt.com/usa/385512-cherokee-opioid-lawsuit-distributors/
I have other friends who have left the US to raise small children elsewhere and others who chose to make less money so that one stays in the home to school and socialize their children into happy, useful human beings.
One can understand why some countries execute drug dealers( Vietnam) and why others refuse to allow homosexuality to become an advocacy issue.( Russia) Shrieks of outrage can be raised for either of the above actions especially in Western countries ignorant of the history and traditions of others, but it is not that simple an either/or situation nor is it as bad as it is often portrayed in the fake stream media.
Perhaps to provide additional context for the recent declarations of loyalty to Putin (and the RF} by Kadyrov of Chechnia:
https://nsnbc.me/2017/04/21/83451/
Hi, Grandma, I don’t know where nsnbc is coming from; they claim to be independent. From personal experience, I don’t trust any court and don’t know this one. I send love to this whole situation. Thanks.
Thank you Try, this Religion pot’s so much fun!
Who says, “There’s nothing new, under the sun?”
Sure it can get rigidly doctrinaire and mighty stale,
But mix in some music and humor, it’ll turn out hale!
I know that’s the way they say “Hell” down in Dixie.
And no, I haven’t had a nip of Jack Daniels Whiskey.
Now hold tight, I got a Deplorable Spiritual for y’all
And that’s no sailboat, it’s Deplorable for You Plu-ral
The question is: “Can this sort of spirit from Dixie Land
Wed in Peace with that from Orthodox Russkie-Land?”
Some of you brainwashed crackers say, “Never! Nah!
They’re Godless!” But work on your God, He’ll say “Da!”
Daddy Sang Bass Written by Carl Perkins, song by Johnny Cash and Family
I remember when i was a lad
Times were hard and things were bad
But there’s a silver linin’ behind ev’ry cloud
Just four people that ‘s all we were
Tryin’ to make a livin’ out of black-land dirt
But we’d get together in a family circle singin’ loud
Daddy sang bass (mama sang tenor)
Me and little brother would join right in there
Singin’ seems to help a troubled soul
One of these days and it won’t be long
I’ll rejoin them in a song
I’m gonna join the family circle at the throne!
Tthough the circle won’t be broken
By and by, lord, by and by!
Daddy sang bass (mama sang tenor)
Me and little brother would join right in there
In the sky, Lord, in the sky.
Now i remember after work mama would call in all of us
You could hear us singin’ for a country mile.
Now little brother has done gone on
But i’ll rejoin him in a song
We’ll be together again up yonder in a little while.
Daddy sang bass (mama sang tenor)
Me and little brother would join right in there
‘Cause singin’ seems to help a troubled soul
One of these days and it won’t be long
I’ll rejoin them in a song
I’m gonna join the family circle at the throne
Oh no the circle won’t be broken
by and by, lord, by and by
Daddy sang bass (mama sang tenor)
Me and little brother would join right in there
In the sky, lord, in the sky.
In the sky, lord, in the sky.
https://youtu.be/NGUP8oc9Bgs
I hope y’all like it!
Y’all come back real soon now!
(That “circle” Johnny’s singin’ ’bout is ALL of Humanity. Let’s not blow it ’til Kingdom Come, Y’all! That just wouldn’t be right, now, would it?)
yawl definition: two-masted sailing vessel similar to a ketch but with the mizzenmast located aft of the rudderpost……. http://www.yourdictionary.com/yawl
Saker get together. . . Tobago or not Tobago, that is the question, whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of an outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, (…) (it’s nearly Shakespeare’s birthday)
To God or not to God, that is the question, let us all meet over the rainbow
https://youtu.be/2rd8VktT8xY
My favorite version of that ‘kalambur’ (conundrum) is from Victor Pelevin, (or is it Benny Yerofeev?):
“Chto luchshe? Kolymit’ na Gondurasakh ili Gondurasit’ na Kolyme?”
Riddle!!
What animal would this be?
http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/EkornCropEye.JPG
The reflection in the eye is our house. Distance, not to be disclosed.
Try guessing before opening this one:
http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/Ekorn_MG_4193Crop.JPG
Take Care
Kent
Got it in one second flat – squirrel!
Neat PIC
PS Is that house where the Norwegian version of the Adams Family live?
:-)
I’m Brazilian and I try to understand better this messy world.
I really admire this net place as a source of info. Congrats Saker!
I really would like to have more sources of information. I don’t care if they are not that trustable but have lots os true inside.
I like to read CNN and aljazeera and mixing with other sources I try to find some true in there.
Could you guys advise me some good sources of information in English? The only other language could be Portuguese but it’s not something vast.
Here in Brazil there are some good sources but only mixing them I can get something good.
I think those who rely in only one source is not in a good situation. Better than having fake news background.
Unfortunately there’s a lot of people in Brazil that follows fake news sources…
You’re part of BRICS so extra worthy of a friendly hand. At the top of the page is Comrades in Arms which you could explore.
Otherwise, follow comments for a few days or weeks and those people whose thinking resonates with your own or challenges it in thought provoking ways will provide you with plenty of links within their comments.
Quickly there will be more than you can keep up with, Which is a good thing!!
and in addition to all that information and opinion
some astrology about the meaning according to the
zodiacal (call-) forces working in the upper- and underground of
consciousness like ever
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/
I can’t say for sure if this report is true. The Duran reports it.And I’m posting the source of their report for people to see. But if it is true its a disturbing development:
https://thelastgreatstand.com/2017/04/20/operation-gotham-shield-2017-nuclear-detonation-drill-to-take-place-in-nyc-video/
The blackout did happend but the rest is pure especulation. I’m pretty sure the anglozionist empire is stupid enough to try his luck.
Another US airline meltdown. Is it just me or does the smouldering belligerent bully at the side door (not the captain) look like he just needs a set of SS runes and a death head cap set at an insolent twist?
‘Bring it on’: American Airlines employee accused of being violent with multiple passengers (VIDEO)
https://www.rt.com/viral/385691-american-airlines-video-confrontation/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation
In the grand scheme of things this is unremarkable, but as a metaphor for America and how the majority are completely cowed (remember Boston?) I think it fits perfectly.
This is a sickening new low in Syria. 200 children who did not have seen decent food since I don’t know for how long, were lured with chips out of a busses with refugees by terrorists and blown to death, while mothers had to watch in the closed off busses. The children were piled up in Turkish ambulances allready waiting and droven away to Turkey. White helmets appeared after the explosion with camera teams “helping” the victims. All the time the mothers were not allowed to go to their injured and dead children.
“On April 15th 2017, the people of Kafarya and Foua were attacked, their children mown down deliberately, by a suicide bomb or expolosive detonation, that targeted these innocent children who had been lured to their deaths by NATO and Gulf state terrorists, including Ahrar al Sham and Nusra Front (Al Qaeda). Mothers had to watch from behind the windows of the buses they had been imprisoned in for 48 hours, while strangers, terrorists, picked up their children, their wounded, bleeding, mutilated children, and piled them up in the backs of trucks and Turkish ambulances before driving them away from the horrific scene and stealing them from their distraught, powerless mothers.”
Vanessa Beeley reports:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_529XSOaalI
http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/21/rashideen-massacre-children-lured-to-their-deaths-by-nato-state-terrorists/
Time to realize what’s going on here on Planet Earth.
The walking, spiritually dead must make up for their utter moral bankruptcy by augmenting their control over the living, to expand their material accounts to the absolute limit, in compensation.
for their realization that they are slaves to evil, to the Void.
Since their spiritual account is frozen at zero, and there is nothing they can do there to grow such accounts, they now test the human race, to prove we are no different than they, except that we pretend that there is Love and Good, and what many of us call “God” (these 3, taken to their conceptual limits merge very imperfectly into conscience, with much incompleteness, contradiction (as nice try demonstrates) and other messinesses. While they have no such illusions or inconsistencies in their darker world view.
In this despair, motivated by their total abject spiritual abandonment, they are both enslaved by Fear and enslavers through Fear.
Why no whistle blowers among the idiot clones on the ground with white helmets on their heads who witness all this insanity?
Spiritual zombies out of a Star Wars sequel.
Order following cogs in the Empire of Fear machine.
Darth Vader and Dick Cheney know the score. It all depends on no guts, no love, no discernment….in a word, Fear.
Fear causing a mind-numbing disassociated state in billions of people seeing teams of zombie order followers with heads that are white. These viewers, unless awakened from their trances, will remember the western movies white-hatted heroes and console themselves that those order following clones on TV could never be mindless minions of Evil, if there helmets are white!
And then they sit back in their Lazy Boy gazing at their 60 inch flat screen and admitting more mind control sights and sounds and symbols and colors into their unconsciously programmed heads, not realizing that the “front” is not where those clones are running around as extras in a fake news set, but inside their own heads, where a prefrontal lobotomy is in progress, by means of remote control… .
War continues to rape and ravage. I just read Ingrid’s comment above as well as several other reports–like open air slave markets. I am pushed to speak out on behalf of the Love Army.
Something is terribly wrong with the world and it is getting worse. The tragedy is that we are not addressing the cause, in my opinion. The Love Army has identified ten causes which continued to be ignored by almost everyone.
The first cause is lack of true love. The first solution is to “think love.” That can be as simple as thinking the word itself and as expanded into a philosophy of love. Philosophy = love. Theology = love. Psychology = love. Politics = love, and so on.
Words do count. “In the beginning was the word…” “Beginning” in Greek means arche or archy; it also means first cause, great thing, first principle, the great arc including all, the sine qua non which includes all.
The main Christian doctrine is the Revelation of the Incarnation, the “homoousia” of Father and Son, of divinity and humanity–the same ousia or nature or essence. This doctrine is a development of an older one from the revelation and incarnation of Love; the loverology that was turned upside down by patriarchy. To stop war, we must turn right side up what was overturned.
The word, or the Logos in Greek, means order, reason and the very structure of reality. This Order or philosophy became flesh in the Christian doctrine of the Incarnation. Saint John said that “God is Love.” In his construction, God is the subject and Love is the predicate. The subject is one individual case and Love is the universal including all cases. An oak is a tree but a tree is not restricted to an oak.
This is reason; this is order; this is logos. Lose this and lose all. Lose this and cause war.
Herein we have the apparent contradiction between philosophy and theology. I say this is apparent but not real. Theology has been co-opted by patriarchy. Theology means the study of God, the order of God and the logos of God. God is very real. I am not an atheist nor an agnostic.
I believe in God but in the God of Saint John where God = Love according to reason, logos and logic. In other words, God is the particular and Love is the Universal.
God has been co-opted and corrupted by patriarchy into an all male club of Father, Son and male Spirit. Mother, daughter and woman have been thrown under the bus. We need a return to true logos, order and reason. We need to restore nature’s balance. We need a philosophy of love in order to do this.
God can remain male–but a true male who stands up for womam. After all, he did have a mother according to the doctrine of Theotokos, the Mother of God, proclaimed by the Council of Ephesus in 431. Would any true male God or true Man throw his mother under the bus, theologically speaking? It is my duty and honor to speak up for Womam and my Mother–and to enlist the support of God and all men in doing this. Womem are needed too but men got us into this mess and so have the main responsibility for getting us free again.
We must accept that patriarchal religions have turned order upside down by putting theology above philosophy, God above Love and power above reason. God and all Fathers down the line have the awesome privilege and honor of serving Womam and her Child. Men are the protectors and enhancers of Womem Lovers. Get that wrong and you get everything wrong and everlasting war.
That is why the Love Army says “think love” as its first principle. If you are going to think God, war, theology, culture, science and all down the line, then think of those things under the aegis of love. That is the way to stop the war on Russia and war as such.
Just as there were ten commandments under God, there are ten commendments under the Love Government and its Love Army and Bower. After the lead division there are nine other units that follow and ground and defend the first. All are important but we have to start somewhere and so we start with order, reason and logos.
In the beginning was the Logos. What is stated later by Saint John in the words and actions of Jesus was the primacy of love which has no beginning or end, the sine qua non of love. Love precedes and is above God.
There are many reasons for using the English word “love” but other equivalent words will do as well. Words have vibrations of emotional intelligence and they have meanings of intellectual relevance;– both are necessary. Love is additionally blessed with the icon-sign of the “heart,” a visual symbol recognized in all languages. The heart sign itself is developed from the womam’s triangle, a powerful conscious, unconscious and lovscious primal archetype embedded in all levels of our soul-psyche.
This cafe, vineyard and orthodox foundation are set up to turn the world right-side up. It is up to us to prove we are up to the challenge. To stop war is not easy. It’s been going on for 75,000 years and that’s just on this planet in this era of time.
Every third day I give up on that dream and resolve to quit, thinking I just don’t fit. But then something happens in the night dreams and I take up the fight once again. I think of the horrible suffering that war causes and I think of you and me as vineyarders extraordinaire. Yes, we can. There is real hope and change.
This is week 18 in the love calendar, with the theme-dream of Dream in the polarities of Sweet Dream and Sour Dream. Allow me to end this chant with a stream of consciousness poem of dream power:
Know it or not, there’s one thing we’ve got
And the thing of it is, it’s both hers and his
It’s the business of us and our consciousness
We’re not in the business of raising Cane
Nor in the busyness of banishing pain
Don’t worry, don’t hurry, don’t muss or fuss
Get down to the business of raising us
Live in the awareness of conscious us
The higher we get, the less we forget
If you’ll let it, you won’t fret it
You won’t regret it when you’ve met it
There’s a Dream all around us
It’s a stream that is conscious
Even bigger, it’s a river
Flowing to the one receiver giver
The fourth level of the stream
Is the fourth dimension of the dream
Dreams can be Sweet or Sour
Can awaken you at any hour
Daydreams and nightdreams are the same
They’re all roses with a different name
Kings and queens in the same card game
Your Dream wakes you, sometimes shakes you
Often takes you to one who makes you
Your Dream rocks you to sleep
Unlocks the treasure chest you keep
Simple as it seems, you are symbols and streams
Dreams don’t go away at the time of day
They’re a part of your way, the heart of your play
I’ve got a Dream the Everyman pled
You’ve got a scheme the devilman said
Follow your Dream is the road to power
But taste the difference between Sweet and Sour
Follow your Dreams is not quite true
You allow your Dreams because they follow you
The Dream of being a star is the stream of who you are
A mystery of shuffling cards, a tapestry of shuttled yarns
All mixed up like awakened skeins
Not quite sure of what it means
Oh, Sweet and Sour Dreams
You’re not the end but the means
Oh, Sweet Dream, you’re the thing
To catch the conscience of the king
To reach the queen and her consciousness ring
When you hear that bell
You’ll know it well
It rings for you and your Dream
The time has come to be one
Go through the door to her Cor.
Love, Dennis