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China holds military parade to mark PLA 90th birthday (by New China)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4kVqsfA5s
Here is a piece of news on 28th on what big movements in front line while Doval was in Beijing where Chinese leadership has given him some big face saving chances.:
1. Indian occupied area 5 km inside Donglang has increased 1/3.
2. Indian has Invited MSM include CNN and other Western MSM to the the front line through Bhutan. Changing the non dispute area into Bhutan, India, China dispute area. A few western MSM’s on the way to front line, and indian is to report how Chinese invaded Donglang.
3. Another mountain division arrive Bhutan. the back up are driving to Buthan day and night.
4. Continuously brain washing the South Tibetan people, telling them they are not Chinese, but Indian. Force international media as well.
Conclusion: Even if Indian withdraw from Donglang, Indian army has successfully occupied Bhutan, another step closer to Sikkim-ize Bhutan.
As a countermeasure, China would be smart to integrate Nepal into the new silk road and to keep India out of Nepal.
The problem is the mountain. The roads are very dangerous, and blocked in the winter. Chinese is going to build a tunnel to get to Nepal. Some how, they will manager to get to Bhutan as well.
Someone made comments that because China did not do anything to help Sikkim, so we have this problem to Donglang. However, it is very hard to get to those three kingdoms.
I bet now, China will put the borders with India on high priority. I hope they will build decent shelters for the troop there. The soldiers have to endure extreme hardship guarding the borders. The wind, the cold, the lack of oxygen, and the sudden change of weather can also be deadly.
The Chinese won’t start the fight in Donglong region. The Indians picked to fight. The Chinese will pick where and how to fight. Sikkim will likely become independent again and Bhutan will get real independence. The Indian wants Tibet and Xingjiang. The attitude of the Indians has made it an existential war with China.
Unlikely the Indians will withdraw. It’s their only strong point along the LAC with China. By inviting the Western MSM, they are confident of victory in a dust-up with China. And if China does nothing, the Indians can also claim credible ‘victory’ with implications for China’s defence of the South China Sea.
Modi has chosen to fight and perhaps stop China’s economic development in the process. For this he is willing to use nuclear weapons. and sacrifice India. After all he has both US-Western support as well as Russia’s tacit support. What’s in it for Russia? A China diminished by a nuclear war with India will relieve Chinese economic and population ‘pressure’ in Russia’s Far East which was China’s Outer Manchuria.
My guts tell me that there will be war with India. But the outcome will be Kashmiri independence and the Independence of India’s Assam region (which was conquered by the British Raj). China may lose a city or two due to nuclear bombs, but India will no longer have New Delhi and several other large cities. India’s Dravidian South may also opt for Independence. These are what I feel are the arithmetics of a war with India.
In fact my guts tell me when China will fight. But my lips are sealed. I can only pray that there would be no fight and that both India and China will find the wisdom to compromise.
Simon, India still refuse to back down since they have missiles for war. We will see.
India has changed from a neighbor country, a friendly country, thorn on the side, to some one who want a war, and active undermine of territorial integrity. It plays out on internet too now.
J, I observed India all these years from outside of China, many years from the West. I also know the Indian mindset from young. I have never concluded that India was ever a ‘friendly’ country to China. Even during the days when they were outwardly ‘friendly’ there were signs that betrayed their hatred. E.g. for the Bandung Conference in Indonesia in 1956, Nehru sent a plane to China to fly Zhou En Lai (my zho lai) to Bandung because he thought that China did not have air transport. Zhou declined. The plane that Nehru sent crashed near Hong Kong killing all on board. That’s what I read anyway when I was studying in the West.
It was the British Raj that gave them an imperialist mindset – one that set their minds on establishing an hegemonic empire (like the British Raj) and viewed China as being in the way. Nehru was eyeing Tibet and Xinjiang and hinted to Mao as much. They think that the British were in the process of incorporating Tibet and then Xinjiang into the British Raj (part of the ‘Great Game’ with Russia for the control of Central Asia and therefore paramountcy in Asia), when they were distracted by the first and second world war. Therefore they think that Tibet and Xinjiang should be theirs. For this the Indians want to continue the “Great Game” this time with China.
Mao read their minds correctly and quickly took control of Tibet first – which was a shock to the Indians from which they never recovered. That’s why, goaded by the US, they started their ‘Forward Policy’.
As I have posted before, China under Mao retreated and gave up some of the most important of their gains in the war of 1962 – Southern Tibet and especially Tawang. This was construed as weakness.
J, if you review some of the arguments with Indian readers of this blog in the past, you can sense their mindset. This type of mindset is well known to people like me who grew up with Indians. As individuals, a few make very good friends. But as a community, their mindset is their own worst enemy because it invite scorn and mistrust. Their cultural propensity to bare-faced lying is legend. Therefore their community is characterised by very extremes of poverty and wealth – a few very rich individuals, with the rest mired in dire poverty and unable to extricate themselves without outside help. This is much like what India is today.
I am not sure that India can change without a revolution, much as China changed through a revolution. But China must be realistic about India especially when offering peace. E.g. India invaded Donglong just after she was accepted into the SCA. The SCA is likely to be made irrelevant if war breaks out between India and China, thereby rendering decades of hard work and treasure void. This is a typical example of the Indian mindset – win all and not win-win for all!
The coming war with India will cost China in blood and treasure but is unlikely to stop the progress of China as a global power. But it was a cost that was paid in 1962 and now a higher cost have to be paid again because China by withdrawing, misread the Indian mindset. But this time, China should ensure that future generations should not have to pay again.
J, as far as the border with India is concerned, China should reject the Mcmahon line out right. China had never accepted the line and never signed the Simla agreement in 1914. China only initialed the pages in order to freeze the text for further deliberation. Diplomatically it is recognised that initialing the pages without signing means that the text of the treaty is forzen for further discussion and or consideration. It does not mean agreement with the text. It is well known that the British and Indians committed a fraud by saying that the Chinese agreed to the line.
By observing the LAC along the Mcmahon line, China hoped to get peace from India. But China iwill then be willingly submitting to a historical fraud committed against her. This is considered a weakness by the Indian mindset and will be scorned and exploited. Mao should have maintained the line at the perimeter of China’s actual and historically recognised boundaries i.e. recognised by the locals (Assamese and Tibetans) in the 1962 war. This would include Ladakh in the west and the hill country right down to the Assamese lowlands. The locals there have long recognised these areas as belonging to Qing China.
But now, given the Indians’ impudence to not even recognise settled boundaries in Sikkim-Bhutan-China tri-junction, India has exposed her perfidy that she has never recognised any border understanding with China, not even the fraudulent Mcmahon line which was very much in her favour. In the coming war, China should be resolute about this. Otherwisea future generation may have to pay an even higher cost in order to rectify.
Simon, from what I hear, from Zhou En Lai, to Deng XiaoPing want to settle the border issues with India even with almost little change to current line o control, Zhou even said, the Eastern coast line are our priority, we wanted to concentrate on the east, we never consider India a threat, I do not remember anything negative said about India. Like some Chinese once commented, India was West Heaven in Journey to the West, where the gods live, and your sprint end up when you die. Now this stand off let average Chinese know India’s desire to invade China, and actively act on it. Even as they talk about trade, relationship at one side of mouth, on the other side, it talk about war, how to undermine china. I am glad Chinese no longer has illusions.
I don’t think China will allow/accept/permit the sikkim-isation of Bhutan. She cannot condon this type of annexation at her door-step without losing ‘face’ globally.
US Wants to Hold UN Security Council Meeting on 2nd Korean ICBM Test on Monday
https://sputniknews.com/military/201707301056002168-usa-unsc-meeting-korean-icbm/
“The United States expects the UN Security Council to discuss the international community’s response to the recent Pyongyang’s missile test, the CBS News broadcaster reported on late Saturday citing its diplomatic sources.
The information is not confirmed by US officials – moreover, earlier in the day, US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley told CBS News that Washington had not called for the UN Security Council’s meeting on the issue.”
Say what? The cbs network got the memo before the un ambassador?
NATO again:
In Georgia there has arrived a party of American military equipment
http://micetimes.asia/in-georgia-there-has-arrived-a-party-of-american-military-equipment/
The english in the Mice Times is quite endearing:
“Turkish women decided to radically resist the prohibition to wear any clothes”
http://micetimes.asia/turkish-women-decided-to-radically-resist-the-prohibition-to-wear-any-clothes/
You may also like:
http://micetimes.asia/pictures-of-soviet-moscow-made-foreign-tourist-photo/
I thought the ‘swamp” though was in Washington?
Strengthened by War, Hezbollah Displays Regional Power
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/strengthened-war-hezbollah-displays-regional-power/
Donald Trump and the Coming Fall of American Empire
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/22/donald-trump-and-the-coming-fall-of-american-empire/
Donald Trump’s Defenders on the Left
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/russia-trump-left/534534/
What Does Russiagate Look Like to Russians?
Russia isn’t as strong as we think, but they do have nukes – which is why beating the war drum is a mistake
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-what-does-russiagate-look-like-to-russians-w493462
INTERCEPTED PODCAST: GLENN GREENWALD ON THE NEW COLD WAR
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/intercepted-podcast/
Why some progressives are minimizing Russia’s election meddling
Giraldi has a decent article on the influence of the zionazi lobby, both the american branch and some of it in other countries. A few excerpts:
Should AIPAC Register as a Foreign Agent?
Pro-Israel organization should not get a pass.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/aipac-should-register-as-a-foreign-agent/
“Ironically, the most powerful and effective foreign-government lobby in Washington is so dominant that it has been able to avoid registering for the past 55 years. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was last confronted by FARA when its predecessor organization the American Zionist Council was pressured by John F. Kennedy’s Justice Department in 1962 and 1963. Kennedy’s death stopped that effort—and ended White House attempts to hold Israel accountable for the development of its secret nuclear weapons program (which depended on nuclear material removed illegally from the United States with the connivance of a company located in Pennsylvania called NUMEC).
AIPAC’s website declares that it is “America’s Pro-Israel Lobby,” so by its own admission it functions pretty clearly as Israel’s proxy. It spent $102 million in 2015, had 396 employees in 2013, and claims to have 100,000 members, many of whom are organized into state and city chapters. It also benefits from being a tax exempt 501(c)4 organization classified as promoting “international understanding.” Its annual Summit in Washington attracts more than 15,000 participants, including scores of congressmen and other senior government officials. It blankets Capitol Hill with its lobbyists and is a prolific source of position papers explaining Israel’s perception of what is taking place in the Middle East. Its easy access to the media and also to politicians in Washington is so widely accepted on Capitol Hill that it reportedly frequently drafts bills that Congress then goes on to propose.
Once upon a time AIPAC’s Steven Rosen boasted to an interviewer, “You see this napkin? In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.” He meant that congressmen would sign on to anything if they thought it would please Israel.
The Israeli government and its American supporters particularly fear BDS because it has become quite popular, particularly on university campuses, where administrative steps have frequently been taken to suppress it. The denial of free speech on campus when it relates to Israel has sometimes been referred to as the “Palestinian exception.” Nevertheless, the message continues to resonate, due both to its non-violence its and human rights appeal. It challenges Israel’s arbitrary military rule over 3 million Palestinians on the West Bank who have onerous restrictions placed on nearly every aspect of their daily lives. And its underlying message is that Israel is a rogue state engaging in actions that are widely considered to be both illegal and immoral, which the Israeli government rightly sees as potentially delegitimizing.
Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim, writing at The Intercept, observe that “…the very mention of the word ‘Israel’ causes most members of both parties to quickly snap into line in a show of unanimity that would make the regime of North Korea blush with envy.”
Finally, the seemingly unrelenting pressure to make criticism of Israel illegal is particularly dangerous as it is international. Indeed, it is a global phenomenon. Wherever one goes—Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States—there is a well-organized and funded lobby ready, willing, and able to go to war to protect Israel. In France it is illegal to wear a t-shirt supporting BDS or to demonstrate in favor of it. Britain has introduced laws that include defining criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism. In Canada, support of BDS has been regarded as a hate crime.”
98 to 2 , 400+ for sanction?
All one needs to know.
Double pluss good!
‘Wherever one goes—Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States—there is a well-organized and funded lobby ready, willing, and able to go to war to protect Israel’
That’s not “wherever one goes”, that’s not the whole world, that’s merely the bought governments of the Five Eyes countries.
“Giraldi has a decent article on the influence of the zionazi lobby, both the american branch and some of it in other countries.”
This is just scratching the surface. The USA was founded by the British aristocracy, who just happen to be crypto-Jewish. All of them. Hard to believe, I know, but quite easy to prove.
Here, for example, Miles Mathis takes the Hollywood hagiography of founding father Benjamin Franklin apart. Without much effort and with utmost ease.
http://mileswmathis.com/ben.pdf
Sun and Mars in excess in Leo like the representatives of US-wealth.
For German reading Sacerits otherwise see you with the Wednesday-version.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2017/07/31-week-draft-version-for-German-readers.html
What is the likelihood that hordes of African and Middle Eastern immigrants will assimilate into the cultures of their European host countries? I once knew a Turk who spoke German as a mother tongue and who also spoke the local German dialect of Stuttgart fluently (Schwaebisch). He once told me that he would never be fully accepted by the native Germans, as he was Muslim and had dark skin.
Fred Reed is a retired US marine married to a Latina and living in Mexico. Below are his interesting reflections regarding the ability of certain races and cultures to integrate into American society.
Fred Reed argues that after 50 years of federal government policies, black people cannot and will not integrate:
https://fredoneverything.org/oncoming-racial-doom-the-clash-of-cultures/
By contrast, Fred Reed counters that most Latinos can and do assimilate into American society:
https://fredoneverything.org/oncoming-racial-doom-the-clash-of-cultures/
In an interview with Jason Ross, Ray McGovern of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity breaks down the actual physics of the DNC leaks and physically proves there was no hack, but there was a secondary NSA/CIA leak for the prophylactic purpose of clouding the whole issue with mind-control Cold War Leftovers fear of Russia, in a most obvious, clumsy and amateurish fashion, guaranteed to do the trick with dumbed down automaton zombies:
https://youtu.be/__6wROkp8Dk
Those zombies swallowing such Cold War Swill whole are only estimated to be about 6% of the US adult population, but the rest of the population shows too much awe for their lockstep idiocy and actually fears it…………..and needs to come out of their cowed silence and make greater fun and sport of the zombies and those who believe that their success with manipulating The (brain) Dead is their best shot at controlling all the rest, as well.
I wasn’t aware that the US did a “great big favor” for China in trading with her. But it seems the US believes it does.All the countless items that the US “is forced to buy from China” you see in almost every store in the US. I’m sure the Chinese must threaten the US to get them to buy those products.
But,oh wait,you say ,no,they aren’t forced. That the US companies “willingly” buy those products. That its far cheaper for those companies to buy those goods from China. And that and not,”kindness,favors,or threats”,are the reason they buy those products. Well “maybe” its time China reminded the US of that fact. And that China refuses to let the US blackmail them over trade. Remind them that trade is a “two-way”. And that the Chinese buy billions of dollars from US companies.That many US companies make a fortune from the two-way trade with China. And that even though it might be a problem for China for a short period. The cutting off of trade with the US in the long run would be a good thing for China.But a long lasting disaster for a lot of US companies.
Also mention to the US regime that they never/ever want to be talked about in the insulting condescending way that Trump is talking about them “ever again”.Or they will start proving to the US the truth of what I said. Starting with banning the US dollar from all non-US trade with China.
And lastly, that while its true that China and the US both agree that the North Korean nuclear weapons program is a danger for the Korean Peninsula. The US misunderstands the meaning behind that. The danger is not from North Korea. The danger that the US will use that as an excuse to bring war and destruction to East Asia.I believe China needs to make that clear to the US. Since they seem to think differently on that subject.A strong bit of clarity is never a bad thing in dealing with the US. As they tend to “always” view matters only from their own viewpoint.
https://www.rt.com/news/397991-trump-china-north-korea/
Regarding the N.Korean issue, Trump said : ” the Chinese are doing nothing…” just like a self-appointed aristocrat who make dirt allover the places blaming it on others, while always expecting others to do the cleaning as if that is their strict obligation. Well, who does, accepts the servitude thus recognizing “the master’s aristocratic voice”. As long the “others” are tolerating such behavior and turn their other cheek for a snap and their ass for a kick – because of fear, or even worst, because of some “business dreams come true” – the things will not change. The servitude has a price and many are eager to sell or buy just to keep their boat afloat. When a business man does this, man can understand, but when a state is doing this in the name of it’s people, that smells as treason.
Some poetry for the poetry lovers a-la-Saker’s Cafe :
Power
A golden trumpet is singing to the Hill
About the lack or courage,
About the lack of will,
In his anger and frustration,
He will sign the famous Bill.
The other Bill, his former friend,
Is laughing in the corner,
With his Gal, till the bitter end.
Golden hair with golden Tower
Reaching to the empty Sky,
He got everything, but Power
Will he ask himself on “Why” ?
Ukrop minister (friend of Sahkishvili) who vowed to stop corruption caught trying to escape Ukraine for Paris with US $4 million in her suitcase!
US AF tries to purchase samples of “Russian (not Ukranian) Caucasian tissue”
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=5891545db8f955e347e3493a9575e7df&tab=core&tabmode=list
Would be understandable purchase if USA had some military biochem labs in Ukraine and Georgia, but since USA would absolutely totally never have done anything like this i may only wonder why….
Cloning and genome manipulation to create an augmentation russian antirussian invincible programmable colour revolution personalty …imagine a cross between Navalny and Arnie Swarsz. in his various roles and a Borg running for Russian presidenc in a few decades….
You do not need language abilities to get this message.
СУД
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zdGnaKWBI
For those who understand French. Love does not end.
Puisque vous partez en voyage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQG6aIaSRL8
For those who understand Nordic languages. If engels exist. My time is short.
Om englar finns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC9Rr14AWK4
Thanks for the music Anonymous (for all three of them) !
What allowed Trump to win the election. And how does that affect US-Russian relations? While those two questions are related,there are a few points of light between them. I heard an analogy on CrossTalk that I think answered the first part nicely. I think it was Mark Sloboda or maybe Peter Lavelle,who said that the average American citizen that Saker talked about were like prisoners on the way in trucks to the execution grounds when at the “last moment” they rebelled against their fate. Thinking “I have nothing to lose if I rebel”,and voted for Trump “hoping” against hope to save themselves. Even if they end failing. There was certainly no hope if they voted for Clinton. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vX7RECzG8
But it goes deeper than that. In the last decades (6 of them) the US has changed itself. I’m not sure how much of that Saker saw on his trip. If he avoided the big cities,maybe not as much. But as of today,the US population is close to 25% to 30%,either immigrant or the children of immigrants. All in all 35% of the US population today is made up of racial minority populations. And the percentages go up yearly. That has created a breeding ground for disunity and the rise of “identity politics” in the US. It is the greatest threat Trump faces in his Presidency. And if he falls,a big part of the reason will be because of that. His enemies have firmly convinced a majority of that 35% that Trump is their enemy. And no amount of truth telling will change that. So how does that affect Russia-US relations? The same Trump enemies are the enemies of Russia. So they can count on that 35% to follow them because they are against Trump. Even if they don’t hate Russia at all.
Trump was for draining the ” swamp”….now his enemies are following there impeachment desires….I was just reading about neolithic Danish (for example,) so called “bog burials”(if you sed my allegorical comparison) where either victims or outcasts or even sacrificial persons sometimes are tortured, murdered in sometimes what seems to be ceremonial methods, and dealt with in this manner.Perhaps Mundo can answer…considering the family Trump can apparently be traced back in part to northern Germany, are we seeing the re-enaction, revival or continuance of some prechristian society ideology in preparation of Trump for a ritual slaughter and sacrifice today….in that contemporary troubled times the old evils or senses of justice/injustice are reawakened from the history and trauma embeded in the earth to continue their existence and haunt the living descendants???????
Hmmm …..
What is really mind blowing, is that the americans and westerners in general, swallow all the way in and out this : – The Sanctions – How is that possible, for a state, to unilaterally sanction any other state because it suits them so – against international law – ? and if not enough, they put pressure on others to adhere in pursuing those sanctions, even if detrimental to their economies and political agreements.The americans may think “how great and powerful is our country” and many are really proud of that “achievement”. The same with the petro-dollar. What would the their thoughts if the petro-dollar will not be and the prices will go up because there will be nobody else to pay for debt of the US ?
Well it’s called infantile regression and refusal to face reality.
This fantasy life I have privately dubbed “The Leave It To Beaver” consciousness……. prevalent in my own extended family.
https://youtu.be/P_pKi_mnjm0?list=PLJazJ_0rjvbqgrIyhHwyT1oNp_5OW1BbV
2-3 minutes gives you the flavor…..school children….but later drugs including LSD were added to this slop.
One cousin, with the “shock and awe” bombing of Iraq actually blurted out that “It made up for Vietnam and he “felt great”!
I can hardly think of any level of consciousness and ignorance more embarassing than that………
And I blame TV for it.
Saker is more generous with them in his last article, than I tend to be, sometimes. I don’t think any people in history, so positioned to positively affect the world have so grievously “blown it”. Thus far.
Another term for it, that I like (given my penchant for higher mathematics…..LOL…) is “Banality Squared”.
And it can literally be deadly to all concerned, except the social engineers and “elites of a garbage can” that did this to the USA…..
Thanks for the poem! Good to see stalwarts still here. I will be scarce due to a current intensive commitment, for a week or two.
30 July, 2017 – The Main Naval Parade in St Petersburg
Putin attends the the parade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgccV6CUIHk
Putin`s speech at the parade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRz8VkqvHLo
Senator Graham: Trump Is Prepared To Strike; “There Is A Military Option To Destroy North Korea”
“There is a military option to destroy North Korea’s program and North Korea itself. If there’s going to be a war to stop him [Kim Jong Un], it will be over there. If thousands die, they’re going to die over there, they’re not going to die here and he’s [Trump] told me that to my face.”
In the Esoteric Corner of this Cafe Repose (38 comments in 3 days has to be the record for Being Laid Back………or anemia……LOL……) I must acknowledge Ockham’s Razor Kinda Gal for her one-ups man-ship (Whew! Is THAT one ever loaded with gender-related metaphorical potential….!) in her follow on to the Cassidy/Steele interview that I posted, with this reply of hers (Eimear’s) that goes WAY farther out than Steele….or maybe even Cassidy. Or certainly what I woud ever claim to “know”.
/moveable-feast-cafe-2017-07-26/#comment-383601
featuring an as yet unknown to me John Desouza hosted by Rex Baer of Leak Project.
A number of things Desouza says in that interview are quite sensible to me, not only about the Steele kerfuffle with Alex Jones, but in several more general ways. Such as the elite way of herding people through “data flooding” (shutting off promising leads by flooding the environment with nonsense that then is used to taint the serious and soberminded venturers forth into the mostly unkown areas, in addition to all the thrill seekers and totally unhinged, unrigorous fun or money or ego seeking idiots….) and a few more principles Desouza illustrated quite credibly. While treading very far into “dangerous” (to the long-standing world views of most living persons…..) and highly esoteric territory. I’m not going to toss him out just yet……..
The huge hundreds of meters tall and long one-piece flat, smooth rock hillside mountain side photos (I sent one from Eastern Yosemite I took a few days ago to ioan…….) are also all over the place near Sedona Arizona and especially the slanted 1.5 mile hike into Delicate Arch in the park Saker probably drove right through, lacking time for walking to that particular iconic arch.
This reminds me of the 2 most striking (to me, personally, at least) PHYSICAL pieces of evidence Zecharia Sitchin cites (among hundreds!) in his Earth Chronicles series:
# 1. Was a Sumerian cylinder said to be in a museum in St Petersburg, Russia, and I will discuss it later, especially if prompted.
# 2 IS the Bay of Paracas…….PERU……. “Prehistoric Petroglyph” carved into a smoother hardened soil hillside than the rock one in Eastern Yosemite.
Now, if I had time to visit that remote coastline,and check on a couple of other related matters, I would no doubt be thrilled with the anticipation of either discovering first hand that Sitchin was full of poo-poo…..OR….that all the rest of his evidence, also has to be seriously considered, INDEED.
Let the chips fall where they may!
So what is there?
Ostensibly, according to this link presumably unconnected to Sitchin and his work:
http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/mysterious-prehistoric-geoglyph-paracas-candelabra-002203
an ancient carving into “hardened soil” hundreds of feet tall and wide of what they name “a candelabra”.
Sitchin links it to the Sumerian symbol for mining and states that it is the closest ocean transport access to Lake Titicaca, Bolivia and the world’s greatest concentration of tin ores, as well as being THE prime source of all the rooms full of gold Pizzaro ransomed Atahualpa for, and then renegged, and executed the Inca Emperor.
Now there is some real steak to sink your teeth into to (eventually) discover whether Sitchin was a Shape Shifting Reptilian that Arizona Wilder witnessed in “illuminattit” rituals (as related to David Icke in an interview you can find online) OR She’s out of her gourd AND so was Sitchin OR……..he was on to something..HUUUGE as Pres would say……..It’s bound to be ONE of those possibilities. Which is it?
The symbol either is Sumerian Or it isn’t.
It’s either many thousands of years old Or it isn’t.
It shouldn’t be that impossible to determine.
What I like about Paracas (other than the eerie Ego-identification with having lived on the west coast of South America 5 years and having remembered the name of one of the Ecuadorian archeologists Sitchin worked with (Emilio Estrada…..my dad was into “Pre-Colombian” artifacts and digs…and knew Estrada…..and I went on a couple as a 11 or 12 year old…..) is that there it has stood, in PLAIN SIGHT…..apparently, for thousands of years, etched 2 feet deep into hard hillside, hundreds of feet tall and wide.
And how many educated people are even aware of it’s existence????
Let the chips fall where they may, is my attitude.
Amazing clue or amazing HOAX, either way, I cannot see the HOW the truth about that hillside in Paracas Bay, either way, cannot be very, very significant. Why? Because it is such a great testing ground for rigorous or unrigorous methodology and thought.
Like the “Flat Earth” buzz…..and people you thought last week were serious persons, are suddenly “on board”! WTF???
“Well, what DO you know??” Apparently, not much!
It just may take a few years. Or decades. Or lifeftimes. OR, maybe within our lifetimes, we will get to the bottom of Paracas. And much else.
Shape of the earth? I am pretty confident of that one right now. So were Aristarchus and Eratosthenes more than 2 millenia ago, and they knew what discovery and proof were all about………Despite what Lumi says about Apollo and iCBMS and nukes not existing. Same genre.
Methodology. Intellectual rigor. Epistemology. Very important!
Of course mock ups of the moon and atomic blasts have been employed. they are easierto obtain than the real thing. But that does NOT mean no one went there or the destructive power of the atom was never harnessed.
I’m one for opening cans of worms and going fishing both for keepers and trash fish posing as keepers. You start with the obvious fact that what you think you know isn’t even 1% of the total picture. Then you just might get to 2 or 3%, with a lot of help from other seekers living or long gone.
But not if you now think you know 50%. Because you surely DO NOT know 2% of that amount, if you even imagine that you have anywhere near that much nailed down as hard fact.
With your permission, let me add this : it is very simple and easy to say No or YES but much much harder to backup these two sentences with substance. In other words, the majority of people are very much influenced by professional “story makers” and by fun seekers who very much contribute to the derail of the essence. This is very much so, especially with the younger generations ( at least they have an excuse – the age and the actual agglomerated level of information available )
This excuse cannot be invoked by the older ones, who had enough time to learn how to discern between various info’s and experience. True, man can learn till the last breath and….and if that is not enough, shall continue that learning in the next life (as usual). So, nothing is lost…just some precious time.
We set here the negative record in comments ?