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New attack on Syria going on right now, according to the Syrians I follow on Twitter.
Isra-Hell is pumping off more missiles today 4/16 into Syria from jets in Lebanon.
When are more Pantsirs and more S-400s due to arrive in Syria?
What next? A hand off to Saudi Arabia to lob in a few from Jordan?
This whole situation is beyond sublimely ridiculous.
Good cop/bad cop routine? Israel is targeting bases with Russian personnel supposedly.? or “highly likely” according to my twitter source. Are They are trying to up the ante in this tag team event?
This Friday will be another difficult energetic time. Mars and Pluto combined.
In the last cafe, Bro asked whether the EOS crypto platform could displace Ethereum or even Bitcoin itself.
At stake here is what the future of the Internet of Money looks like, and what future alternatives we might have to the current system of global finance that has been used, for example, to maintain a status quo of gross economic inequality across the world via the wealth-extraction policies of states, central banks, the IMF, etc.
Bro and I have discussed EOS a little in previous cafes, and my feeling remains that it’s still too early to say about its fortunes relative to existing cryptos. There’s lots of enthusiasm, but today EOS remains pre-alpha. We’ll have a better idea in a few months, when the EOS blockchain is actually live and we can see what sorts of applications are being deployed on it.
That said, it strikes me that for the near term the important comparison is probably not with Bitcoin but rather with Ethereum. In order to take on Bitcoin, EOS would need to first displace Ethereum. Here, the EOS implementation of smart contacts is possibly the decisive factor. On paper, it sounds good, but again, the proof will be in the pudding.
For the moment, then, I will try to think out loud about how I see the EOS ecosystem taking shape over the next year or so, and my current question about it.
First, regarding Ethereum, it has been observed that ETH is akin to a technology asset (as opposed to a monetary asset). The value of a technology asset derives from the advanced features of its technology, which means that it is always subject to competition from other, newer technologies that emerge to provide a more advanced platform for holding equity. I gather a large part of the enthusiasm around EOS is that it is widely perceived to “get smart contracts right” (on paper, at least) and is thus in a position to displace Ethereum. By this comparison, though, EOS is also akin to a technology asset. It could displace ETH over the next year or so, but whether it also becomes a stable store of value over the longer term, i.e., whether it becomes a currency and not just a system of payments for specialized services — this is a separate question.
Following Bro’s suggestion, I watched two videos about EOS by CryptoPortfolio. In “Deep Dive into EOS”, CryptoPortfolio summarizes the white papers, while in “Why EOS price will be huge long-term” he does a little back-of-the-napkin price projection. The delivery is a bit rough but the graphics are good, making both videos pretty straight forward guides to understanding EOS.
My question about EOS remains on its offering for developers. I haven’t seen this addressed in much depth by anybody on the Internet, as most of the videos seem to be pitched at investors. Somebody may have explored this in greater detail, but I haven’t yet found it.
So let me next try to sketch out my question about this.
As far as I understand it, the EOS platform has four main groups of players: (1) investors who buy tokens; (2) block producers, who provide the blockchain services; (3) dApp developers who build the applications that work from the EOS network APIs; and (4) end users, who consume services built on the EOS platform, and who may not even be aware that EOS is driving the service. We could further subdivide these groups into investors who trade tokens vs. investors who rent them, or between dApp developers and the (generally separate) teams who build the tools for them (i.e., application frameworks), but for the sake of argument, I’ll just focus on these four groups.
Now, how does money flow through the EOS economy?
Looking at each group of players, it appears to me like this: (1) Investors buy EOS tokens either with fiat or other cryptos. (2) Block producers get paid in EOS tokens, which they must convert into fiat to pay for their operating costs. The total supply of EOS tokens is inflated by a few percent every year (estimates range from 2 to 5%) to pay them, but also they get direct revenue from the applications that use their services. (3) dApp developers probably get paid in fiat, but to use the EOS blockchain, they must pay the block producers for services and execution of smart contracts using EOS tokens. Managing accounts on the blockchain costs EOS tokens, for example. So, dApp developers must either buy EOS tokens or rent them from investors. (4) In order for services built on EOS to reach a broad audience, I assume end users will be able to pay for the services in fiat. It would of course be simpler for dApp providers to only accept payment in EOS tokens, but that would significantly limit their user base only to those who are savvy enough to set up a wallet, convert fiat to EOS, and then set up payments in EOS. For the sake of argument, then, I’m going to assume that end users can pay in fiat, and that most of the dApp service providers would take care of converting fiat to EOS tokens.
As I see it, the part of this economy that is most critical for the long-term success of EOS is the business model for the dApp developers. Let me try to explain why I believe this.
Investors will buy tokens to speculate on their value, so capital will flow into the EOS ecosystem. Indeed, the market cap is already #6 in the crypto universe, just below Litecoin. At present, then, this revenue is not an issue. Sentiment is high. Next, in the near term, the block producers will get paid by inflating the total supply of EOS tokens, thus drawing a revenue stream from the vast pool of investment capital that’s gone into EOS. Longer term, they will get paid in fees from the dApps. End users will put money into the ecosystem when there are services that interest them, and which are competitive with other non-EOS-based services. But for end users to “invest” in the ecosystem by paying for services built using EOS, obviously those services need to exist, which means dApp developers must first build them.
This brings us to the business model for the dApp developers/providers who will build and then provide the services between the blockchain and the end users. Again, they must pay the block producers using EOS and I am assuming they get paid in fiat. If they run ads on their web sites to monetize free services to end users, for example, the ad revenue will come in as fiat. Ditto if they collect subscription fees from end users. Block.one has accumulated a vast war chest to help dApp developers, but I haven’t seen anything about how this money will actually be used, and in any case it’s only starting capital for dApp development, not operating revenue.
So the model for dApp developers/providers looks like this: collect revenue in fiat from end users or ads, and then use that to buy/rent EOS from investors, to pay the block producers for blockchain services required to run the dApps.
And here we are getting to my question…
CryptoPortfolio sketches out a few different scenarios about where he thinks the price of EOS tokens is going. When he made this video (less than two weeks ago), EOS was around $6. Today, as I write, it is at $8.74, up 5.43% in 24 hours. Depending upon various milestones, CryptoPortfolio projects EOS token prices from $6, to $38, to $90, to $160, to $350. Going to $38 would be 4.3x today’s price. You can see how he explains it here:
https://youtu.be/Su34Mp8UzFM?t=7m12s
The numbers he projects all sound pretty good for investors, but what about for dApp providers?
Imagine that you are an application developer seeking to create a business based upon EOS, from which you collect revenue by providing a service on the web. Profit is the revenue minus your expenses. Your business provides a service, but the EOS platform provides the underlying infrastructure. To provide service to customer X, your app must use an EOS account and pay the block providers for all services related to customer X. Maybe there is an EOS account for each of your customers, or maybe you have a separate system for that; either way, you need to pay using EOS tokens. Aside from the costs of running your own infrastructure (servers to host web apps, etc.), one of your main expenses, then, is paying for the EOS network.
So now you are providing a service for your customers, but the cost to you is in EOS tokens. Meanwhile, as EOS grows, the cost of EOS tokens goes up. If CryptoPortfolio is correct, if EOS reaches the market share of ETH in a $1 trillion market for cryptos (and I agree with him that this is a reasonable number, assuming that services using EOS became a reality), the projected price for EOS would go up to $160, i.e., 26x the price of EOS when he made this video. If EOS overtakes ETH, the price could be headed towards $350, or, who knows, even beyond.
My question then: how can the dApp business model be made to work if the expense of using the EOS blockchain could go up 26x as it grows to displace Ethereum? Again, imagine you have a business in a new sector of the economy, but the success of this new sector drives up some of your expenses 26 times.
I’m hoping that somebody with greater understanding of this might step in and help clear this up.
Mujo,
Thanks for expanding on this matter.
Like you, I am going to run it by a few people smarter than myself in this revolutionary realm. Hopefully a lot more light will be shed. I do it here in front of this community but hopefully it spreads to other communities that intersect.
For example, a person who I meet with regularly and who is unofficially mentoring (in terms of business startup) the filmmaker who was invited to hang out in Puerto Rico for a week with some of the key people in the EOS project.
Being younger and much quicker than I, he has already explored an earlier Larimer project Steemit where instead of empowering Zuckerberg and the AZ Empire (as I understand it….but have yet to use it…..still trying to get over the conceptual hurdle of how someone basically as anti-social as myself would possibly want to have anything to do with “Social Media” ….in ANY form….LOL ) you might be participating in what will disrupt and destroy the Z-prick!
And there’s the filmaker and his contacts, some quite close to the EOS project itself….perahps as close as you can get without being Dan the Man Himself.
So, patience:
“I wuking on it.”, as they say in China.
Anyway, what might make me social is the collective intelligence aspect of this.
You are drilling down on details (apparently) that didn’t even occur to me. I will study your comment more closely within the week, but I am in a somewhat exhausting seminar for the next couple of days, typing this at 5 am.
My perspective or interest, rather, is this currently TINY (350 billion dollars capitalization is just the embryonic stage!!) organism within the whole civilizational panorama comprising the currewnt strategic situation….and figuring out how important or unimportant this flank, or this organism is , presently and potentailly, within the overall process…or struggle to evolve….without a sudden devolution into a Dark Age or even Planetary Death.
This process of individuals and growing connectivity of ideas could almost be compared to the development of the human brain: The more it is used creatively, the more complex its structure becomes, and the more capacity for further creativity grows….and it all could accelerate dramatically and pull us through, in a balanced way…in contrast to what Zuckerberg, Gates, Soros et all have in mind.
Because they don’t seem to care enough about the bulk of humanity…..not to participate in enslaving humanity.
The first and third are clearly no damned good and sandwiched in between is Bill…whose software may have doubtlessly contributed to some of the potential I am discussing here…but who I distrust based on some of the people he has associated himself with. Let’s see where some of these people go, in the end. It’s all in flux….and though some may be fixed…others may change. There are examples!
But on your cost issues raised, taking the more macro view….I was not owrried about it, before your comment. Why? Because the over-arching (maybe coorect, maybe wrong!) assumption I am operating on is that blockchain can solve fundamental issues of “middlemen” (“trusted” intermediaries like bankers, insurance companiesw, etc) costs that can be vastly reduced or even eliminated theoretically at least, and partially ALREADY, in practice.
Example: People stress about alll the electircal energy burned up in “mining” Bitcoin and other principal cryto-currencies to maintain the blockchain, clear transactions on the public ledger, etdc.
Here’s a basic priinciple from Real Estate, where almost everything is based on “comps”….comparables….this patch of land versus another, this house within ones in a half mile radius…etc.,etc:
Mining Electricity Costs Campared to WHAT???
How does that cost compare to all these obscene bank towers all over the world?
Could their constructions costs go into something more beneficiail than intimidating people?
What about the energy costs of lighting and warming and cooling all those towers owned by the Slave Masters???
What about all the tellers and janitors etc??? Could they be doing something far more rewarding for themselves and others?
That’s why, if the basic assumption I am making (That blockchain inherently and fundamentally cuts costs) its adoption in business is inexorable, like it or not. Because if you don’t like it, for some prejudicial reason, but your competitor does, and he cuts his costs and you don’t….he will eventually “Eat Your Lunch>”, as they say.
My basic instinct is that these sorts of consideration probably outweigh what you are raising in this particaul comment about particular cost hurdles.
I would be quite surprised if they can’t be worked out equitably or if they aren’t worked out intrinsically, by the very nature of the greater efficiancy of the technology itself, in a more over-arching way.
But maybe I am wrong. Or you are partially right or I am partially. right, and someone else will come along and elevate our understanding much higher. For sure I appreciate the questions and let the answers fall where they may!
Maybe EOS has flaws that will be owrked out. Maybe something else will be better.
I am not stuck cheering for any particular team. I just don’t have time to closely evaluate more than 1 or 2 and I can only do that as a layman, not an IT professional!
I am enthusiatic about the evolutionary process, however. May the best Man, Team, Idea, whatever, Win!
I don’t know if this is the answer that you are looking for. For all blockchains in my view it is necessary to build value into the token itself – no value = failed token and failed blockchain. And of course, we can use fractions of tokens – so, why worry about the price per token as such?. The entry cost for developing daps remains low enough. Far as my understanding goes, the developers only have to basically fund their wallet? It is not an expensive entry point. The business application must then carry the rest of the cost. Eth was up there over 1,200 dollars just a bit ago and trading was still brisk.
I have no idea if I really understood your basic question?.
As far as EOS being an Ethereum killer, I am not so sure of that. We will have to wait for applications being built and we cannot see too much of that at the moment. Besides the usual starting point of games and betting type daps, I don’t see anything exciting today.
Perhaps we should ask the question in a different way, i.e., which blockchain solves scaling in the most optimum way without breaking the consensus rules that keeps the system honest? We have Neo and Onchain, which is the Chinese Ethereum and businesses are developing there as we speak. Today, if you asked me, I would give NEO an advantage as an ersthwile Ethereum killer. EOS is baby in the house regarding the infrastructure world. And then there of course are a batch of other babies .. ubiq, cardano, icon and a whole lot more. I can’t even keep up. And who knows, Ethereum itself is not stopping developing with all kinds of sharding technologies and so on. I would also give Vitalik a huge advantage with his experience gained already and it might sound smart to talk about Ethereum killers, but we aint there yet. And, who wants to kill Ethereum? I don’t.
We are very early in the development of infrastructure. For me it helps to keep in mind the core problem of scaling. The blockchain that scales is the one that will knock the others out of the water. It is early days. But yes, I like the process here between you and Bro. Choosing one, basing your education on one, can only but help to speed up education on any of the others. In terms of investment only, one has of course to decide whether you like infrastructure better than business applications of if you want to take the learning curve to like both or only distributed business applications?
On a sweeter note it seems as if the market as a whole is beginning to show some life again.
And just after I wrote my reply, this came up first: Worth while reading.
https://medium.com/s/story/divided-we-fail-the-irrational-insanity-of-crypto-tribalism-6acc54465769
The summary para:
The Zero-Sum Myth
The short-sighted “us vs. them” perspective that drives tribalist thinking rests on the misguided and dangerous assumption that crypto is a zero-sum game, where the successes and gains of one platform must necessarily come at the expense of others.
The rapid increase in the value of digital assets belies this notion. Far from being a zero-sum environment, the blockchain world is characterized by rapid growth — both in terms of money and participants. Each platform has its own slice of the overall pie. Yet the pie itself is rapidly growing in size.
Waiter,
Can I order for a cup of cappuccino please? Need a strong one to deliberate over Russia-China cooperation – while we can weep at the complete breakdown of international laws and morality due to Zionist Fascist actions, we need to plan better for effective resistance!
If I lament that, the planet is at crossroads, I should not be accused of exaggeration; rather this statement is really a much diluted one! Why so? Because, never before in the history (10000 BCE till date, about which we have basic knowledge) the planet has been threatened with total destruction of all forms of advanced life that found hospitable environment in mother earth’s lap. Because, never before any ‘intelligent’ species went on a path that could cause immeasurable devastation of the atmosphere around the earth (600+ kilometre from earth surface).
To put it in simple words, at the dawn of 19th century, the Zionist Fascist elite-oligarch-plutocrat families and their lackeys (capitalist industrialists-bankers in modern age) decided that they will permanently rule over all societies/countries on the earth & own all resources/sources of wealth of the entire planet – in case, any society/country wants to live independently and utilise their resources as they wish, the society/country will be punished the way the Zionist Fascist cabal want. As we have witnessed, in 19th century, North America and Australasia continents were invaded and occupied after genocide killing of the aboriginals, more than four-fifth of Asia and Africa continents were colonised; and in 20th century first half, Europe and Asia continents were utterly destroyed/ravaged in war, in 20th century second half, Soviet Union and Yugoslavia were broken into pieces; and in 21st century beginning, the pace and nature of destruction only got uglier – Iraq and Libya were bombed into stone age, Syria and Yemen have been turned into happy hunting ground for soulless man-eating terrorists, Afghanistan and Somalia have been converted into weapon testing ground, Ukraine and Lithuania are being systematically depopulated using open and no-so-open Nazi-minded ‘Storm troopers’! List is too long to write here… Had every society/country accepted what the Zionist Fascist cabal wants/wishes, the planet would not have come to such a dangerous crossroads where people like me have to lament so much! Because of their nature-culture-ethos, citizens and leaders of two very large countries refused to comply with the ‘norms’/’diktats’ of the Zionist Fascist cabal – Russia and China.
Under such grave global environment when it is becoming increasingly difficult to live and breathe freely without the hegemon prompting what needs to be done at every step of life, how far Russia and China moved along the long road of “strategic comprehensive partnership”? Lot of peoples still discussing and debating over the issue of Russia-China partnership – and, I agree with all of them that such transparent and open discussion and debate is a must for developing a healthy friendship (notwithstanding the fact that both the Presidents are working towards achieving that goal very sincerely)!
Let’s dwell over key points like, what is the necessity to create such “strategic comprehensive partnership”, how the partnership can be forged, and what are the headwinds for such partnership.
Why such “strategic comprehensive partnership” is a necessity?
This is the trickiest question to answer. Let me address this from a negative perspective – why the “strategic comprehensive partnership” between China and USA, or Russia and USA, or Russia and EU, or China and EU will not serve the purpose for 90% of the common people of China and Russia? Any strong partnership between two countries where USA or EU represent one side, essentially is planned, and shaped by the Zionist Fascist cabal consisting of Jewish, Anglo, Germanic elite families with roots in both sides of Atlantic. Since the cabal represents 1% elite-oligarch class of North American and European countries, the “strategic comprehensive partnership” shaped by the cabal can only serve the purpose of 10% of both the partnering countries. Other than lip-service for so-called ‘democratic human rights’ the 90% population will get nothing – the life become more tough, investment in domestic economy become sparse, earning become thinner, health deterioration become normal, depopulation become norm! At the same time, the 1% elite-oligarch class of both the sides of partnering countries amass wealth by all means – legal and illegal, while their managers-technocrats also build fortunes within a short period of time! One need not scratch head to find examples of this – look at the socio-economic conditions of 90% common population of the country where the elites entered in cosy partnership with USA recently – Russia during 1990s, Ukraine during 2010s, India during 2000s and 2010s. Thus the possible partnerships (Russia or China on one side while USA or EU on the other side) will be detrimental to the interests of the common people of both Russia and China.
Now, someone may ask a very valid question – why should there be any “strategic comprehensive partnership” at all? Isn’t China and Russia too big a society/country to stand on its own feet, isn’t Russia and China too resourceful to withstand any invasion? Doesn’t Russia and China possess enough talent to grow and sustain their economy? Well, ever since the first post-Ice Age Neolithic civilisation appeared around 9000 BC in north Africa and west Asia, societies (and all forms of political entity) interacted among themselves – trading interaction, socio-cultural interaction, intellectual interaction. Without interaction and exchange of ideas and materials, no society/city-state/kingdom/empire/country/nation could ever prosper. Inquisitiveness about how another society is doing is as old as civilisation – sending ’emissary’ to neighbouring kingdoms used to be a normal regular feature of ancient and medieval world. Between neighbouring societies/countries there is one added reason for a continuous and consistent interaction – both the sides need to have clear understanding of socio-political environment prevailing in its neighbourhood. So, even if it is assumed that Russia and China are great countries and great powers, there are strong practical reasons for a partnership. In reality, China is deficient in energy resources (which is abundant in Russia) and China has shortage of arable land (while Russia has vast landmass that remains under-utilised), while Russia is deficient in ‘human resources’ (that is abundant in China), Russia has limited ‘market’ (which is large in China) – hence, it is a win-win scenario for both the countries to forge a strong and stable relationship.
If we bring in the current geopolitical tensions and overall global environment into consideration (which partly arise because of refusal by the citizens and the leadership of Russia and China to comply with the ‘diktats’ of the Zionist Fascist cabal) the necessity of a partnership dramatically increases. Since 1800 AD, the Zionist Fascist cabal has been controlling the industrial and economic base of USA-UK- Canada-Australia-France-Germany-Italy-Netherland-Japan which churn out military machinery relentlessly – by 2001, USA-NATO became the owner of the largest military machinery the world has ever seen. It is beyond doubt that USA-NATO can inflict stupendous destruction/damage on any society it chooses to attack with full force – more importantly, the 1% elite-oligarch Zionist Fascist cabal possess a psychopathic and sociopathic bent of mind which allow them to accept any damage/destruction to their own countrymen, the 90% common people (they like to call it ‘collateral damage’) caused by the opponent strikes, as long as they get enough young people to serve the military machinery!
To guard against such adversary, China will need material-technical support from Russia and Russia will need manpower-material-technical support from China. A “strategic comprehensive partnership” needs to be put in place with due urgency and importance – it will serve both the countries very well!
How the “strategic comprehensive partnership” can be forged?
Instead of grow-as-you-go approach, it is always better if there is a well-planned approach under which specific tasks get identified with targeted cost, and with fixed timeframe. We, the common people of the world do not know what is the current status of the partnership between Russia and China – we can guess from news articles, speeches etc. that the partnership is growing stronger by the day. Let’s find out what should be the essential components of the so-called “strategic comprehensive partnership”:
1) Contrary to most of the bloggers and commenters, I will put ‘Economy’ as the first and foremost component of any partnership – essentially a partnership starts with participation of both the sides in economic activities. Bilateral trade between these two giants have been steadily growing (except during global financial crisis of 2008 and economic sanctions against Russia during 2015 – 2017). However, the depth and breadth of trade and commerce should be much more than existing data suggests. While China can rely on its partner for, may be half of its energy imports (oil, gas), Russia can depend on its partner for a mix of industrial (electrical machinery, nuclear plant components) and consumer products (garments, footwear) thereby ensuring a balanced trade (as much as possible). We notice a growing trend of Chinese financial participation in Russian energy ventures (from Yamal to Arctic) – this is a matured way of dealing the overall economic relationship. Apart from energy and mining, Chinese government should come forward with large-scale investments through AIIB in Russian infrastructure (as part of Belt and Road Initiative) – not only Chinese and Russian interests will be addressed, but economic rejuvenation of entire Eurasia (covered by SCO, EEU, and APEC blocks) will get a boost.
There are knowledgeable sceptics who point out that Russian industry should, probably at any cost to its nation and sovereignty, establish close business relationship with USA, UK, France and Germany, since those are the leading industrialised countries who have technology and capital to infuse new life in Russian economy and to generate employment in Russia. There could be nothing further from truth:
(a) Look at Poland and other east European countries which were part of Soviet block – those countries had a high level of industrial base between 1950 to 1990, in the following 3 decades when those countries became partners of EU and USA, the rate of deindustrialisation, import of industrial and consumer products from foreign Multi-National Corporations (owned by Zionist oligarchy), and dependency of government on grant/loan for anything and everything increased dramatically;
(b) Look at China – the country today is not only among the world’s leading countries in mobile, robotics, and artificial intelligence technology, but Chinese government dare to declare to the global audience that China wants to lead this sector of technology. (Shouldn’t a highly intelligent society like Russia seize this opportunity and establish enterprises in this sector for targeting the Chinese market?) China opened its economy only to the extent that required capital and technology comes in to generate a much larger economy, which in-turn creates a self-sustaining economy that will finally take on the initial benefactors – China played the same game which other industrialised countries did at some point of time.
The reason for which Russian private industrialists/bankers will not be very enthusiastic to make investments in China and/or Chinese private industrialists/bankers will not be very enthusiastic to make investments in Russia is not what the elites suggest as ‘socio-cultural differences’, it is simply that profit accumulation and perking such cash in ‘tax-free heavens’ become much more difficult under watchful eyes of both Chinese and Russian governments.
Straight-Bat
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2) ‘Security’ certainly merits to be listed as the second most important component of a partnership – the necessity of safeguarding national boundary and maintaining internal peace have always been the prime mover for security cooperation between neighbouring countries. China and Russia are no exception. The consistent threat of large-scale Salafist terrorism (Islamic societies have high rate of population growth but lack good affordable education and employment, all of which result in easy recruitment of terrorists by the agents of Zionist cabal) and resultant violence-disturbances in China, Russia, and other central Asian countries resulted in institutionalising anti-terrorist procedures of SCO and CSTO. Apart from that, if we step back and review the military policy-cooperation-deployment by USA-UK-France-NATO countries during past 15 years, it becomes very clear that the technological research, development of military hardware and software, deployment of military machinery everywhere around the globe, operation and maintenance of military bases (USA has 800+ bases) thousands of kilometres away from own country everything are aimed at firstly, to contain Russian and Chinese military within their national boundary, secondly, to carry out a lightning strike to destroy Russian and Chinese nuclear missile stock (not simultaneously), third, to install Zionist oligarch stooges since the ruling leaders ‘failed to protect the country’, finally to divide the countries (Russia into 5 – 7 parts, and China into 3 – 4 parts) to permanently subjugate and break the spirit of Russian and Chinese people and state.
So, it is imperative that China and Russia join hands in three-fold defensive cooperation:
(a) Develop and deploy land-based/ocean-based/space-based systems/machineries/procedures that can track, inactivate, and completely destroy the enemy’s Command-Control-Communications-Computing-Intelligence-Surveillance-Target Acquisition-Reconnaissance (C4ISTAR) system based on land/ocean/ space at any stage of a war;
(b) Develop and deploy land-based/ocean-based/space-based machineries/weapons which can track, and destroy the enemy’s machineries/weapons (that will be used for first strike on Russian and/or Chinese strategic and tactical nuclear forces and military installations) in asymmetric warfare; destroy the key machinery like Missile defence systems, Satellite network, and Orbital strike vehicles of USA and NATO that otherwise will deter retaliatory strike by Russian and/or Chinese nuclear missiles/bombers;
(c) Construct hundreds of very large impenetrable shelters deep under mountains, deserts, and barren unfertile landmass which can act as ‘alternate townships’ each of which can provide emergency accommodation for up to half a million citizens and soldiers for at least two years – considering that only the large/medium cities will be targeted by enemy and they will need such alternate townships, China will need 10 times more such alternate townships than what Russia needs. Undoubtedly, such massive investment in creating ‘unproductive’ infrastructure may not be explainable with the economic theories that are practiced today, but what purpose such theoretical Economics will serve to the societies in Eurasia if the Zionist Fascist cabal is able to strike with nuclear and conventional ammunition to wipe off around half of the population who reside in cities in China and Russia?
There are bloggers/commenters who feel that Russian government should never expect Chinese government to deploy its military forces away from Chinese landmass and adjacent sea. Well, they have the past statistics to back-up their claim – apart from fighting limited battles on India-China border, and Vietnam-China border, Chinese government never deployed military personnel for engaging in war (deployment of half a million strong Chinese army during Korean war is conveniently forgotten by all!). I would like to remind those bloggers/commenters that, till 2017 Chinese leadership never felt that their economic interests got seriously threatened by USA and/or NATO (China could afford to look other way when Libya was ruined and the leadership was killed, because only about 5 billion US Dollars of investments went down the drain). China will certainly not think twice before deploying large contingent of force if Malaysia is similarly attacked by Zionist forces because the economic interests are much higher with tens of billions of US Dollar investments there. Similarly, Chinese government will ensure all kinds of military mobilisation if Pakistan government requests for active help and support in case its sovereignty is put to test (which Russian government did in Syria). If push comes to shove, the Chinese military forces will be confident enough to fight the Zionist cabal led military forces shoulder to shoulder with Russian (and Iranian) military forces – however, another 2-4 years of rigorous joint exercises and war games are needed for China’s participation in ‘hot’ war away from own border.
3) ‘Socio-cultural aspects’ may not find a place of importance in analysis done by many serious Analysts’ – my contention is that socio-cultural bonding between the societies of neighbouring countries go a long way to reduce historical frictions and animosities (if any) which results in increased understanding, as well as increase interactions between peoples that enhance trade and commerce. Coming specifically to Chinese-Russian partnership, isn’t it a matter of historical fact that both the societies/countries share some socio-cultural traditions since the Mongol empire brought both these giant countries under one umbrella (between 1230 to 1280 CE) – neither Russian kingdom nor Chinese empire (nor any other central Asian principalities) and the societies liked the idea of Genghis Khan’s forceful integration, but empire-building being a historical phenomenon the societies adopted quickly. Though the Mongolian empire splinters gave way to Russian empire and Chinese empire (and other central Asian Khanates), some traces of common culture lived on in society as well as in governance. It will be worthwhile if Chinese and Russian governments draw out specific plans targeting two segments of their population:
(a) Youth of the age group 15-30 should be actively encouraged and supported by their respective governments to go to the partner country for study and research in language and literature, social science, science, economics etc. They should be encouraged to participate in ‘live’ projects in industrial units, government departments, social organisations etc.;
(b) People of the age group 30-60 should be actively encouraged by their respective governments to go to the partner country for study and research in language and literature, social science etc. They should be encouraged to participate in fee-based assignments in industrial units, social organisations etc.
Apart from that, cultural/entertainment groups should maintain a periodic presence in partner country, which should be promoted by government and tourism industry in both the countries. On another serious subject, adequate government support should be provided – the study of religious philosophies that have deep roots in Chinese and Russian societies, particularly Christianity, Confucius Thoughts, Buddhism, and Islam. This will increase peoples understanding of the original message of the founder of a specific religion as well as bring tolerance and cohesiveness among people belonging to different religion but are citizens of the same country for generations.
4) If in any sphere Russia and China has been cooperating like true partners since beginning of 21st century, that is ‘Strategic aspects’ – however, even in this 4th dimension which is culmination of the previously mentioned 3 dimensions, I feel, a lot more needs to be done. China and Russia have been deepening their understanding and relationship on geopolitically sensitive matters (like Russian moves in Georgia, Crimea, east Ukraine and Syria, Chinese move in South China Sea, Taiwan and Pakistan, joint Russian-Chinese initiative in Korean peninsula etc.), they have been coordinating key geo-economic decisions (accumulating gold in central banks, moving away from US Dollar based trade, establishing new banking system like AIIB, promoting infrastructure-trade-commerce in Asia-Africa through BRI programmes etc.). Following areas need to be explored as integral part of ‘Strategic aspect’:
(a) Joint technological research and development in the fields of solar system exploration, outer space exploration, life science-medicine-medical equipment, applied science-materials, artificial intelligence-robotics, communication systems, energy exploration-power generation etc. will not only open new frontiers of China-Russia collaboration, but will create opportunities for new economic ventures. Ultimately mankind will gain tremendously from such partnership between two giant civilisations;
(b) Joint technological research and development of defensive and offensive weapons of conventional, nuclear, biological, weather-control categories, primarily to counter the technological advancements and breakthroughs achieved by USA government agency DARPA;
(c) Joint development of foreign military bases to install defensive and offensive weapons in Asia, Africa, and South America continents – around 10 owned by Russian military and around 20 owned by Chinese military. The objective should be building up capability for hard power projection to safeguard the economic and socio-cultural interests of Eurasian Resistance camp as well as their allies;
(d) Collaboration on how to spread socio-cultural influence of Chinese and Russian civilisations and their contribution in the fields of art and literature, science and technology, religion and philosophy etc. Such soft-power projection will be more useful for influencing public opinion across the world than anything else. All countries in Asian, African, and South American continents should be targeted.
There is every reason to pray and hope that the ‘strategic comprehensive partnership’ between China and Russia will grow and bring in the much-needed ‘multipolar world order’ along with gold-backed national currencies or gold-backed international currency of exchange and international relations based on internationally accepted law. This is one aspect where most of the serious anti-hegemonic minded bloggers/commenters are of the same opinion – Russia and China must enhance their partnership in the strategic domain as much as possible. And, we strongly believe possibilities are endless!
What are the headwinds blowing against the “strategic comprehensive partnership”?
1) Mind-set of the elites-aristocrats among the Russian bureaucracy-‘liberal’ political leadership-industrialists-bankers-professional managers-technocrats that, since Russian society-religion-social culture-political tradition etc. everything belong to European civilisation, Russian government and people should effectively move towards ‘Europeanisation’ of their society. It’s true that, after the Mongol rule was brought to an end in Russian landmass in 15th century, Russian empire was most of the time engaged in political tussle and military campaigns vis-a-vis European kingdoms/empires, but primary reason for that was, most of the times the Russian throne was occupied by aristocrat family from Europe (to be more specific, German). I will rather put forward a question, does the concept of “European culture/tradition” really exist in the socio-economic and socio-political landscape across a not-so-big landmass of Europe divided in more than 35 sovereign countries? Is it not just a ‘socio-philosophical thought’ ever since the Germanic tribes brought (western) Roman empire to an end that many thinkers-intellectuals and political leaders-rulers considered as a probable ‘unifying glue’ for planned expansion of their empire? A thorough study and analysis of European history of the ancient, medieval and modern times only prove that there was never anything called ‘European culture’ and/or ethos – it was Greek culture – Celtic culture – Viking culture – Roman culture – Visigoth and Goth culture – Frank culture (which got mixed with Gauls and resulted in French culture in modern times) – AngloSaxon culture (which got mixed with Normans and resulted in English culture in modern times) – Polish culture – Bulgarian culture, Russian culture, so on and so forth. As a matter of fact, even if religious proselytization to replace the pagan religious faith and social traditions of different regions of Europe by Christianity was always carried out since 5th century, due to different schism within the church and religious leadership, European societies never came under same religious culture, let alone language or social tradition. Thus while continuous military campaigns for building kingdoms/empires kept the political landscape divided into hundreds of camps, religious splits created 3 major groups (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant) of Christianity which were again divided into sub-groups, all of which created dozens of ‘religious cultural groups’ within the society.
Interestingly, modern history of European landmass shows that, if ever there was a concept and culture of “European-ness” the same got worldly expression through joint military campaign by the political leadership all other societies/countries (in which some societies/countries directly participated while more diplomatic/manipulative countries remained behind the stage) against Russian state and society! Time and again the European powers marched against Russia, and every time the campaign ended when Russian forces stormed their capitals! If Russian elites-aristocrats are hell-bent on proving “European culture” then also, sadly, they have to keep Russia out of that concept simply to make it exist!
2) Brooding of the elites-aristocrats among both the Chinese and the Russian bureaucracy-middle level political leadership-intellectuals-academicians over the fact that, Russian empire acquired sizeable landmass (between 1858 to 1860 CE during Opium War) from Chinese empire through unequal treaties, which at some point of time in future, might reappear to haunt both the sides. I think, both the sides forget easily that Russian state lost landmass during USSR break-up in 1990-91 which in terms of area of land-demography-economic output was many times more than what Chinese state lost 130 years before. Now, if we look into the history of central Asia and north Asia, the regions for which Russian and Chinese empires had so much of clash and dispute, mostly belonged to the splinter groups (khanates) of the Mongol empire. An effective way of tackling such contentious historical issues is to hold discussions/ conventions among knowledgeable and wise peoples (representing government and citizens of both the countries) to understand viewpoints of both the sides and formulate policies for permanent resolution.
And, if elites-intellectuals-academicians of Russia and China are still unable to come to terms about those historical animosities, then they should concentrate on mid-20th century incidents which reveal an astounding level of strategic cooperation and partnership that happened between USSR and China:
(a) How Soviet Union under Comrade Stalin provided material help and moral support to China during 1930s and 1940s to gain independence and to establish government of peoples’ republic;
(b) How China under Comrade Mao provided material help and manpower support to North Korea during 1950s so that Soviet Union need not mobilise manpower (after they lost at least 25 million people in WW II).
The entire world is keenly watching if such comprehensive strategic partnership between China and Russia will be re-established for the sake of entire mankind – after all, Stalin and Mao built that partnership around an ideology that wanted to protect the interests of common people (may be, at times at the expense of the elites-oligarchs of the society). And, ideology where common people are at the centre is indispensable for building a comprehensive strategic partnership which calls for immense sacrifices from both the sides!
Straight-Bat
Dear Straight-Bat, let me take down my hat for this comprehensive analysis of yours. All very interesting thoughts and realistic, you spent a lot of time and it worth reading for everyone. Thank you for sharing it with us, with the new and old, your precious thoughts full of wisdom and gold !
Dear ioan,
Thank you for the kind words and thoughtful comments. Yes, all of us, the activists can contribute with whatever capacity we have.
Since past about 10 days, when POTUS showed inclination for repeating missile attack on Syria, I have been thinking on how a broader collaboration between the leading anti-Hegemonic nuclear powers (Russia and China) should get shaped.
As you noted, I also wish this note should be read by Russians, Chinese people, and other Eurasian people – all of us need to realise that, there is no alternative to collaborative resistance to Hegemony.
Thank you, very inspiring reading. I‘ll try my best to spread the word/s… and act upon them – ako Bog da, obviously.
bp
@ bp,
please spread the news wide and far,
planet earth is under seizure;
worthy sons of Slav’s and Han’s
you need to again join hands!
“In the early 1930s there was a massive infusion of foreign technology, engineers, and equipment to build the military-industrial complex wanted by the Soviets (see p.69, n.9).
Most of these engineers left by 1932, but they left behind a gigantic productive capacity.”
Extracted from page 43 of National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union
By Antony C. Sutton, New Rochelle, New York: Arlington House 1973.
https://www.alor.org/Library/Sutton_AC_national_suicide.pdf
Yuliaon her new twitter account, if it really is hers and not someone joking or pretending, sent 15 twits yesterday saying that they are making a vegetable out of her with pills and asking for help.
I don’t know what to think.
First 5 twits are from 12th and 13th April. They have pictures of medical staff with twits “Thanks to these people!”, “My guardian angel.”.
In the next twit she says “# Zakharova is lying. This was my statement. Yes, I was helped by British representatives.“
Then she says ”Thanks to everyone who worries about me!”
Her last twit says “We are very quiet and not public people. What happened with my father was a shock to me and all of us.”
[with my father?, not what happened with us? Translation is with Google. Yandex translates the phrase ‘to my father’: “We are very quiet and not public people. What happened to my father was a shock to me and all of us.” ]
Then nothing for three days.
Yesterday afternoon and evening London time on April 16th she sent a series of 15 twits with a completely different tone desperately asking for help. All twits in her account except the very last one from yesterday are in Russian.
All caps are in original. Translated with Google.
“ME MAKE THE VEGETABLES IN THE GREAT BRITAIN !!!! HELP!!!! ”
“I’m in despair. I do not believe doctors. I think they want to make me a vegetable. “
“I wrote to everyone, no one can hear me! I have no way to get it! I’m going crazy!!! “
“It seemed to me that they saved me, but now I do not believe them! They make me a vegetable !!! These blue pills destroy me !!! Force to drink !!! “
“They are kicking me !!! “ [Yandex: “They bring them to me!!!”]
“HELP ME!!! HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME HELP “
“Cry !!! “ [Yandex says it could also be “Vika!!!” short for Victoria?]
“I lost my password from Vkontakte !!! “
“I’m like in a bunker !!! They stuff me with medicines !!! “
“They want me to lose my memory !!! Help me!!! “
“I’m as drunk after their pills !!! I do not believe them !!! “
“FOR WHAT?!?!?! “
“I KILL TABLETS !!!! I’m like a drunk !!!! HELP ME!!! “ [Yandex: “KILL ME PILLS!!!! I LIKE DRUNK!!!! SAVE ME!!!”]
“I’am being made a vegetable in Britain!!!! Help!!! #Skripal “ [This one is in English.]
https://twitter.com/skripalyulia
Google image search doesn’t yield any results for the photos of the nurse and the two doctors.
But notice that the name on the nurse’s ID has been carefully scrubbed out with Photoshop.
Vika is short for Victoria.
She should also – most likely – have a VK account, anybody know what the url is?
She claims to have lost her VK account.
This feels like a hoax, tbh.
It does draw attention to the conspicuous silence of the Skripals, though.
Whoever is managing her account is making an effort. I found additional reply twits from Yulia (or impersonator provocateur) which are not shown on her twitter page, but were retweeted by others. She or whoever wants attention.
Translated with Google.
On 15th April Yulia replied to @RusEmbSwiss (Russian Embassy in Bern), @MID_RF (The Ministry of Foreign Affairs) and 6 others. Among 6 others are @lentaruofficial, @Privat24_news, @the_newtimes. The last three addresses could also be on top of 6 others.
“Save! I’m being held in a hospital in England! “
https://twitter.com/SkripalYulia/status/985479807239708672
Yesterday she replied to @Alexey_Pushkov, @aavst (Alexey Venediktov | Echo of Moscow radio) and @govoritmsk (govoritmoskva).
“Alexei Konstantinovich, I want to make a statement. I was forcibly kept in a hospital in the UK. I do not want to be here any more. “
https://twitter.com/SkripalYulia/status/985863817392517122
“I’m scared, scared, scared, scared, scared scared, scared, scared !! I’m dying !!! I’m all traitors, all !!! “
https://twitter.com/SkripalYulia/status/985974359276904449
“ME MAKE THE VEGETABLES IN THE GREAT BRITAIN !!!! HELP!!!! “
https://twitter.com/SkripalYulia/status/985935333106900992
In the comment below by Azorka1861, is there a link with Christoph Hörstel in which he said : ” the both Skripals have no liberty at all…” and both are Russian citizens. We here nothing about that from Russia’s part, namely, what are their response to this situation, how would they defend their rights, what kind of measures they may have to deal with this situation ?
In comments under ‘A Curious Incident Part X’ that twitter account was debunked. “Guardian angel” from a picture is an Australian paediatric nurse from New South Wales.
Oxford international law professors clear discussion of the legality of the attack on Syria… from Craig Murrays site, which also includes his earlier longer discussion of the issue
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/the-british-governments-legal-justification-for-bombing-is-entirely-false-and-without-merit/
” Dapo Akande, Professor of Public International Law, Oxford University, gave this opinion for the Labour Party…
In the opinion I reach the following conclusions:
1. Contrary to the position of the government, neither the UN charter nor customary international law permits military action on the basis of the doctrine of humanitarian intervention. There is very little support by states for such an exception to the prohibition of the use of force. The UK is one of very few states that advocates for such a legal principle but the vast majority of states have explicitly rejected it.
2. The legal position advanced by the government ignores the structure of the international law rules relating to the use of force, in particular, because a customary international law rule does not prevail over the rule in the United Nations charter prohibiting the use of force. To accept the position advocated by the government would be to undermine the supremacy of the UN charter.
3. Even if there was a doctrine of humanitarian intervention in international law, the strikes against Syria would not appear to meet the tests set out by the government. The action taken by the government was not directed at bringing “immediate and urgent relief” with regard to the specific evil it sought to prevent, and was taken before the inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons were able to reach the affected area.
4. If the position taken by the government were to be accepted by states globally, it would allow for individual assessments of when force was necessary to achieve humanitarian ends, with the risk of abuse. It is because of the humanitarian suffering that will ensue from such abusive uses of force, that other states and many scholars have been reluctant to endorse the doctrine of humanitarian action.
“
The sheer tooth – enamel stripping stupidity of EU ‘regulations’ for ‘robot rights’ leaves me speechless :
https://www.rt.com/news/424353-robot-human-rights-eu/
But if corporations are ‘persons’, why not?
Vladimir Zhirinovsky: When the German people ask us to help, Russia will help – Video*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScnD3pRoh9k
Confrontation with Russia: Christoph Hörstel: to the situation calendar week 15 – Video*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqgUyNhIU8g
*You can change the language of the subtitles from German to English
Alarm clocks put:: 3d World War! – Christoph Hörstel to the situation
calendar week 15 / 2018 – Video*
*You can change the language of the subtitles from German to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v4U3LYPv90&t=3s
Hello Saker, my first post on the blog here, although I did send you a spoof last year of Putin shooting down Amelia Earhart…
Well, they finally did it. On Friday the pedo-fascist imperialist spawn of hell walked up to the line marking world war 3 and stepped across it. Our worst dreams have indeed come true, and we now find ourselves, I think as President Putin pointed out, in one of these strategic WWIII escalatory scenarios that the war planners have so often gamed through.
For what it’s worth, I was sitting at my computer yesterday and I had a nagging feeling that there was something I wasn’t getting. Then I read a good article by Tom Luongo [https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-15/luongo-trump-done-mattis-won] and I think I have now got a better understanding.
The talk about Trump being a hostage of the Deep State and so on is bumkum. I think we have underestimated the extent to which Trump is genuinely delusional. Luongo references a Seymour Hersh article which points out that Trump ordered the first missile strike on Syria last year even after the CIA and Pentagon told him that there was no chemical attack, also that he wants verbal briefings and photographs, and constantly watches television news. When he talked about “beautiful babies” and “chocolate cake” it wasn’t bravado or 4D chess, it is because he is genuinely living in his own version of reality.
The ‘Trump is genuinely delusional’ theory I think explains the sudden and bizarre changes in policy. “Let’s bomb Russia” “Lets make peace with Russia” “Sanctions for Russia” “No sanctions for Russia” all literally changing by the day, even by the hour.
So we have a genuinely delusional emperor sitting on top of his vast imperial machine. And the pedo-fascists gloat and boast that he’s “on-side” with them. Does understanding this make any difference? Who knows. Maybe there is a “containment strategy” among the people around him?
Thanks for all of your writings and hard work Saker. [And then if you can imagine how little I feel that the word “thanks” conveys the enormous gratitude I have to you for your beyond-informative, genuinely horizon expanding, and spiritual perspective blog and writings, then you will begin to appreciate the enormous gratitude I have to you… :-) ]
It isn’t easy to say this, but I think we are in the hands of the military men now. May the Gods bless Russia, the principled Russian people, and all her allies and friends…
Brother Ray says that’s not so good, the military are delusional about the constitution itself and “understand” their oath as a loyalty oath to the person who is el presidente
“An experience I had teaching a class at the Naval Academy in Annapolis 12 years ago suggests that students at U.S. military academies are led to think that Article II supersedes Article I. Lecturing to a third-year class of about 50 students about political/military events, I referred innocently to the solemn oath required of military personnel and asked what that oath was all about. “Well, it is an oath to the President, of course,” said the first student who threw up his hand, with several others nodding assent. I said that was quite wrong. And it turned out to be like pulling teeth to find one student who knew that the oath was to defend the Constitution.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49233.htm
I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/values/posters/officers.pdf
civilian oath everybody takes:
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)
Now That Is Delusion…to imagine that these oaths say anything like the students at the military academies believe…
Meantime they have a flotilla of marines and nifty obsolete weapons bravely sailing to Syria, where they are supposed to stop Syria from kicking the US out of the oil fields…without air support…
Good luck fellas!
I add that this flotilla, I suspect, exists for and moves toward Syria based on the assumption that Syrian airfields would be ruined by the recent attacks.. It seems that the attack was broken-off before it was finished – because the missiles were not functioning as intended…that 300 or more missiles were to be launched. This means that:
A ) they will use other means to ruin the Syrian airfields and planes
because…
B ) that the ships and soldiers are going to have to go somewhere…
Like Napoleon said, You can do anything with bayonets except sit on them
Maybe they’ll go to Odessa… another “Plan B”?
Such a change of course would be problematic, and for the large ships, illegal.
Crises at the Bosporus?
Maybe…
Israeli defense minister claims right of ‘total freedom of action’ in Syrian airspace
17 Apr, 2018
“Israel will not accept any limitations to its operations in Syrian airspace against ‘Iranian threat’, the defense minister said, expressing hope that “communication” lines with Moscow will help avoid any “friction” in the air…
“We do not want to provoke the Russians,” Lieberman told Walla News. “We have an open line of communication at the level of senior officers. The Russians understand usand the fact is that for years we have managed to avoid friction with them.” [https://www.rt.com/news/424336-lieberman-syria-action-freedom/]
zion can – like anybody else – say what they wish… Doing as they wish? This is over. Pantsir S1 and so on make this a fact.
Interesting is this: “In the wake of their failures in Syria, the US will try to open new fronts against Russia in Transcaucasia, Central Asia and eastern Ukraine.” http://katehon.com/article/revolution-began-armenia-soros-sends-greetings-putin
I watched the Russian OPCW fellas…. They seem exhausted, and disgusted… In the presser…being badgered by the western prestitute
” Airstrikes on Syria were ‘for the honour of the international community’ – Macron ” !
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/airstrikes-on-syria-were-for-the-honour-of-the-international-community-macron/
there is the story of Frenchman who asks the Swiss
” Why is that you Swiss fight for money while we French fight only for honour ? ”
The Swiss replies,
” I suppose each one fights for what he most lacks “
One America News Network reporter Pearson Sharp goes to Douma and files this report of what he sees and hears there about the alleged chemical attack… worth watching… from Caitlin Johnstones article in Consortium news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXwG-901yU&feature=youtu.be
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/16/syrian-chemical-victims-suffered-from-dust-inhalation-reports-say/
And here is an AFP (agence france presse) report with testimony from one of the medics in Douma,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUhz_t2IcVk
Here are 2 former top British Armed Forces officers questioning the Douma chemical attack and the rush to war.
Admiral lord West, the ex-head of the British navy says that when he was head of British intelligence, he had huge pressure put on him to say, for example, that the bombing campaign in Bosnia was achieving all sorts of things that it was not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIA_dNkscsw
The other officer was the head of the British special forces, General Jonathan Shaw ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpdT79rm1ts
Pearson Sharps second report from ground zero of the ‘chemical attack’ in Douma, Syria, He cant find a single person among all those he randomly interviews there who saw or heard anything, or knows anyone hurt in the alleged attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9C9koRmro
It looks as if he will have more reports from the site in the coming days..
This is a video of the original 2 medics found by the Russians at the clinic in Douma , testifying about the ‘chemical attack’. The subtitles are in Russian, not English…
https://ria.ru/video/20180413/1518600398.html?inj=1
The Duran quotes a Ria Novosti article, that one of the boys in the Douma ‘chemical attack’ video has been found and interviewed, along with his father.. their translation is the following
http://theduran.com/president-trump-furious-as-holes-continue-to-appear-in-american-syria-narrative/
” Two other reports conflict, one saying that there was a chemical weapons attack, and others like this one from RIA Novosti – although the article is in Russian, we have translated a pertinent section here below:
Syrian boy Hasan Diab, presented in the production clip ‘White Helmets’ as a ‘victim’ of the chemical attack in the city of Douma, revealed the details of the filming…
‘We were in the basement; my mother told me that today there is nothing to eat, we will eat only tomorrow.’ We heard a shout in the street, someone yelling, ‘go to the hospital.’ We ran to the hospital, and as soon as I entered, I was seized and hosed down with water. After this we were put on the bed with other people, ‘ said the boy on the air of TV channel ‘Russia-24.’
The military correspondent of the television channel Yevgeny Poddubny noted that the boy was forced to appear in the video.
‘The boy had nothing to eat; he was offered rice, dates and cookies for this filming,’ he said.
The boy’s words were confirmed by his father, who added that there was no chemical attack in the city.
‘When I found out that the child was in the hospital, I asked to quit my job and ran there.’ There was no chemical weapon, I smoked in the street, felt nothing, went to the hospital and saw my family. ‘The militants gave dates, cookies , rice and everyone was allowed to go home.My child was feeling great,’ the boy’s father told the television channel.” “
The boy in the White Helmets Douma ‘ chemical attack ‘ video has now been interviewed by 2 tv channels, Rossiya 24 and RT arabic … the interviews can be seen here…
https://www.rt.com/news/424563-douma-boy-chemical-video/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZRZo9FGQI
now some limited armslength coverage is beginning to appear in msm, e.g in the Sun UK
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6089508/syria-chemical-attack-video-boy-hosed-down-russia-tv-staged/
Sensible questions on Douma by a US army officer Col. Douglas Macgregor, being shouted down by Sebastian Gorka, a british-born hungarian who became a US citizen in 2012….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdkdIOPeQkw
The 3rd of Pearson Sharps on-the-ground reports from Douma about the ‘chemical attack’. Here he goes to the field hospital at ground-zero, and talks to 2 doctors, 1 surgeon and nursing staff. None of them saw any symptoms of a ‘chemical attack’. No deaths at the hospital that day. Only strangers who came running in shouting ‘chemical attack’, and then filmed the panic as everyone started dousing each other with water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9w8j-avq_0
ps. for completeness of the record of hard reporting on this issue, here is original report from douma by Robert Fisk
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
Eva Bartlett found a report on East Ghouta by a young belgian man, Bas Spliet, who went to syria and interviewed people coming out of east ghouta, Again, they say the militants hoarded food, restricted medical aid, mistreated the people etc etc. If amateurs like Bas Spliet can get into these places relatively easily, the msm journalists should have no trouble. Why are they not there interviewing the people ? Are they afraid of what they might find..?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx1sTDRwLjw&feature=youtu.be
A couple of msm journalists (cbs and swedish tv4) find what they claim might be a chemical gas cylinder, and one person who says people died from gas from the cylinder in one building in douma …. but no medical confirmation… and is chlorine even a chemical weapon, its extremely inefficient, and its everywhere, municipal water is disinfected with chlorine, as are swimming pools, and ordinary people use it routinely for cleaning in the form of bleaching powder.? the militants may have opened a chlorine cylinder in increasingly disorganised attempts to stage a ‘chemical attack’ in their chaotic last moments in douma… even their staged incidents at the medical clinic have the feel of desperation…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m_gpBch0Fs&feature=youtu.be&t=41s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDey9vvPmlM&feature=youtu.be
The german public broadcaster ZDF has a journalist in Syria, who after touring Douma refugee camps and conducting interviews there thinks the ‘ chemical attack ‘ was probably staged. Here is the ZDF report (in german) and the RT news article about it…
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/heute-19-uhr/videos/zitat-sgs-gack-syrien-100.html
https://www.rt.com/news/424832-douma-attack-german-media/
“People told us in a very convincing manner that this whole story was staged,” Uli Gack, a reporter with the German ZDF public broadcaster, said (referring to the alleged Douma chemical attack) while he spoke live on ZDF Heute (‘Today’) show on Satuday.
Gack had travelled to Syria and visited one of the refugee camps near Damascus, where “some 20,000 people from Eastern Ghouta and particularly from Douma” were living.
The scene of the attack, which allegedly took place on April 7, was in fact the “command post” of a local Islamist group, the reporter said, citing the witnesses he was able to speak to at the refugee camp.
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He went on to say that, according to the locals, the militants brought canisters containing chlorine to the area and “actually waited for the Syrian Air Force to bomb the place, which was of particular interest for them.”
The Best Titanic Conspiracy Documentary 2012
https://youtu.be/cG10XV0oit4?t=2799
“Iran didn’t make any effort to hide its military preparations: targets were set against all US military bases in the Middle East and against the US’s closest Arab allies. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah coordinated the preparation of immediate counter attack on that same evening which would unleash hundreds of missiles against selected objectives. This war plan, ready and updated, was presented to Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah. During the course of his leadership he has always looked into the minute details of every single movement of officers, plans of defence and indeed all military plans related to warfare preparation. The Secretary General of Hezbollah is thus not only a political leader but the effective commander of his organised-irregular, well equipped army. So the Syrian command and Hezbollah turned their missiles towards one single objective: Israel.”
https://ejmagnier.com/2018/04/17/the-syrian-war-is-dangerous-for-the-world-disaster-only-missed-at-the-last-minute/
Article from Elijah Magnier. Looks like things can blow up at anytime.
The flotilla with T Roosevelt carriers is explained (by implication) in the very logical, credible, and I think factual essay (cited above) as https://ejmagnier.com/2018/04/17/the-syrian-war-is-dangerous-for-the-world-disaster-only-missed-at-the-last-minute/
It is my opinion that it ought to be republished in media that murkinz read…people might send it off to small local newspapers in USAstan…
The essay raises, aslo by implication, a reality that need close thought – what does the US and zion do with 150,000 men they can’t use? One can’t sit on bayonets…
And in longer terms…what does Fate hold for these men – Takfiris – If one cannot use them?
If they disperse into Europe…?
if they disperse into Russia…?
The English expression “loose cannon” comes to mind…
Meantime, as after action analysis in pet-a-gone works its way along…and the fake attack fairytale comes apart… (and recalling that Empire cannot retreat or stop without financial chaos enveloping it)… If they follow past practice there will be a new and bigger “attack” – quite possibly a chemical version of 911. One does wonder at the ruthlessness…and also about where such a (possibly real) false flag might take place…
getyerbetsdown…
In Paris, during the Algerian war, my take was to forget about the bombing in Paris – fairly small bombing – they always happened somewheres else.. The encore is going to have to look big…if it’s to work even briefly.
Bummer!
search term “mustard Bari german bombs” (by the way) yields the stories about a big, real, “gas” attack (is liquid and mixed with bunckeroil in sea) for example: http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-german-raid-on-bari.htm and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari
The logic suggest that…well you tell me… Is obvious. Real attack with real stuff, then blame target…and attack more, so the 150 k takfiris will be able to move out into western syria…
It is not over. Obvious.
If this evil continues trying to light up the ME it will be very bad.
Peace would sure be nice…
Logic would suggest that in your scenario then all bets are off for the Russians. After all, they have already given an ultimatum to the terrorists– surrender and be reintegrated or be moved to our designated space.
The ones who moved have rejected surrender. I believe that the Russians were quite clear on the outcome of that option. The point about an ultimatum is that it is the last offer on the table, never given lightly. If you don’t intend to back it up, serious people don’t make them.
And the Russians seem to me deadly serious folks in this instance.
Yes, Empire cannot retreat.
Ru cannot retreat.
Seems probable empire will, since the fake attacks didn’t do the job, simply load a big fat can of the real stuff and drop in on a Syrian Army target. Then claim that this proves Syria has (or had) poisons. Well, it would be sort of true…the real stuff and the real dead would be clear…the provenance could be obscured in the shrill accusations.
What countries actually have these awful materials? That’s where they’ll come from.
It would be only a small variation on what they have already done.
In war all bets are always off.
This is the big problem with violence – you cannot control outcomes.
But empires is in a dead end – all is due to economic problems associated with greed and looting. It must either expand, or collapse. Empire has one option only.
Knowing option set of opponent tells Ru what opponent will do – and in this case there is only one option in the set.
Of course the tactic may be applied in other places…but Syria is on the schedule, which is running behind. How long can empire delay? Nobody knows…1 year, 5, 10? Best estimate I have read from economists is 5 to 10 years to collapse due to economic failure.
Trump’s election did screw up the schedule…but it seems to have recovered.
I think that the Empire is already ‘a dead man walking’ and has been for a while. How it continues to crumble is anyone’s guess but that it is hurtling down the slippery slope is obvious.
No recovery possible. I just hope that they don’t manage to get us all vapourised in the meantime, after all Mr Putin’s hard work, shamelessly ignored to date, to avoid that scenario.
Here a link about a recent big “affaire”: the Dinosaurs.
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/09/dinosaur-hoax-dinosaurs-never-existed.html
If it is a hoax, another big brick of the Narrative that falls down.
That is very interesting.
Once upon a time I would have paid no attention to such ‘conspiracy theories’.
Not any more.
It is a remote possibility I suppose, but there is overwhelming evidence of bones and fossils, including almost complete skeletons. I’m not really into dinos but something that perked my interest recently was the claim that they were covered with feathers, like gigantic chickens.
I was a bit more wary feeding the birdies (supposedly descended from dinos) after that, just in case.
It is necessary to be open but skeptical and withhold judgment until there is enough evidence from a variety of perspectives that confirm the hypothesis through corroboration or refute it through clear contradiction.
The biggest problem I see is a difficulty in enduring the tension of “not knowing” or rather “not deciding, and moving on” when neither of these fortunate results are encountered as readily, immediately available.
A prime example is TRUMP. At this point, no matter what position 99.9999% of the world takes……they might ALL be wrong.
Face the plain facts of the matter:
There WILL be unknowns that we will take with us to our graves, even though most of us think we go there “knowing many things”….which turn out not to be true at all!
The link on dinosaurs being fake is interesting, but I am not deciding yet. Why? Because I can’t with near enough certainty.
The idea that fraud and deception may have been employed by many or even most paleontologists is somewhat plausible if there is an overarching egoistic motive of deception overlaid on top of masonic conspiracies for One World Empire based on their sponsors’ justifications of superior “fitness” to not only “survive” but eliminate huge swaths of humanity and other beings, for their egoistic purposes.
However, if ONE complete or even largely intact skeleton of one of the larger dinosaurs is proven to exist the link goes into a different category than that of Irrefutable God-given Truth.
Then where would I put it??
I would put it in the Psy-op Basket.
I am not putting it there yet, because I am not certain yet of enough particulars, but that is where I am suspecting that it will probably end up.
WHY?
Because I am quite certain that there is a natural human tendency to “rush to judgment” and err….or be manipulated into an overly simplistic conclusion….because of a variety of emotional, psychological, cultural…and other motivations….including the need to ration TIME….and move on!
“Ahhh! Now I know something all the fools and sheeple don’t know!” is a very appealing egoistic source of error.
The best, most widespread example of this is the Flat Earth Conspiracy Theory which states that the Spherical Earth Conclusion is …..FALSE!
And, an elaborate World View (pun intended) is spun out of that conviction which has captured an amazing percentage of the beliefs of….our younger generations, who have “decided” either
1. The Earth is a Flat Plane and the Center of the Universe…….OR
2. They aren’t sure!
While what we don’t know will most probably always “outweigh” what we do know, on virtually any wide and deep subject, it would be useful to know that we CAN pin down certain basics and then proceed from there!
If not, EVERYTHING is in doubt, always….which is a little bit too much uncertainty to endure, and proceed from, with any half way productive purposefulness.
And I would submit that THAT is the objective of the Psy-op: To make you stand down, hesistate, and do nothing, eliminate yourself as a positive factor and not get in the way or interfere with a certain agenda….such as organizing Unipolar World Empire………..or positioning your group under such an umbrella favorably….by promoting particular psy-ops for your ego gratification or material gain…..by disempowering millions if not billions of individuals….who hesitate to act…because they don’t have the confidence that they can even know…..anything!
In fact, they end up doubting whether they themselves exist. Or, they make the mistake of Rene Descartes…who declared:
“I think, therefore, I am.”
No, Rene, your Being is much deeper than your thoughts.
At any rate, why am I leaning toward placing Prisoneer’s Dino-link in the Psy-op basket??
Well, for one, on the same webpage is a link to a book by the title of The Flat Earth Conspiracy…which supports and does not debunk “Flat Earth”
Sometimes I ask myself: “If you had to choose between two choices, A or B (no C, D, or E alternatives being available….) and it was a life or death, split second decision, and you had no luxury of postponing your choice of Most Probable Truth ….WHICH would you choose?
Flat or Sphere is not likely to ever be Life or Death for me, but based on what I know about Eratothenes, Aristarchos, Kepler and others not as “authorities” passing down “Scientific Commandments”…….but as rigoruous thinkers willing to share the intelligibility of their duplicatable methodology……I’d go with round…and Sphere…not Round Flat Plane! LOL.
And here’s a young guy that will venture way, way out on the edge of a lot of things about our world and Universe….who, IMHO does exhibit the subtlety of mind, (combining skepticism of a non-rigid character….with 100 times the openeness of most persons…..), often enough for me to check in with him somewhat regularly….and here he is, taking on that subject most will shy away from….from fear of ridicule….no matter which way they are leaning!:
https://crowcaws.com/2017/03/01/jordan-sather-and-flat-earth-not/
The Flat Earth Society Has Members All Across The Globe!
IMHO Jordan nails the psyop “stand down and do nothing” motivation behind the psyop, with some interesting specifics and informed strategic depth. CIA, etc. .
Thank you all for replies. There are conspiracy theories that are absurd (flat earth), others that are rational and possible, IMHO. I seriously think, based mainly of physiological arguments, that this one can be in effect a hoax. If you download the little book (available as .PDF – query Google):
“Debunking Evolution:
problems between the theory and reality;
the false science of evolution”
you can find inside a good description of the system of regulation of blood pressure of giraffe. This animal has serious problems cause its long neck and the high pressure of blood in its head (the highest in nature), and the solution adopted is astonishing: quite impossible thinking of something better, and to have blood pressures even more high. Therefore, how can the gigantic long-necked Diplodocus lower the pressure of the blood in its head, if its neck is very longer that one of the giraffe?
Another strange animal is the T.Rex. Unbalanced, the skull too huge, the ribs too thin without sternum (imagine the whole internal organs!), the legs attached laterally upwards and not under… given the weight of the animal.
Hmmm… I’ll continue my researches.
” Little Mars leads war back:
https://mundanestagebuch.blogspot.de/2018/04/4.html
It is not over yet—there is another shoe to drop but Mars will complete the job and seal the deal in the next 10 days or so it seems. Neptune-Venus-Scorpio play ring around the rosie/ pass-you-not.
Latest on Syria ‘chemical weapons’ attack in Douma – OPCW fact finding group prevented from conducting analysis by a ‘large crowd’ and ‘gunfire’, despite getting clearance from Syria’s National Authority and the Russian Military Police :
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-alert-update-on-the-deployment-of-the-opcw-fact-finding-mission-to-douma-syria/
Who doesn’t want the facts made public?
Salisbury currently being cleansed of ‘contamination’, including destruction of Skripal house.
Seems destroying evidence is a Maybot special – she was Home Secretary when thousands of landing cards recording the arrival of the Windrush generation – the only proof many had of their immigration – were destroyed :
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/windrush-home-office-evidence-deport-theresa-may-david-lammy-a8308936.html
Presumably the deportations freed up assets to accommodate all those jihadists once employed in Syria and elsewhere – Saudi money can only buy so much, and Britain is a pretty small island…
They reckon its going to take until Christmas, whew. No time to investigate of course.
There is already a whistleblower disputing that the Windrush docs were destroyed. This was a deliberate ploy of the sly and underhand Maybot when Home Secretary (in 2011, I think). She demanded and got a ‘hostile environment’ to immigration to counter the votes defecting to UKIP.
She went for vulnerables, (brown people, 50 thousand) just coming up to pensionable age, to save a few shillings.
There is one Windrush gentleman who despite paying taxes and National Insurance for 50+ years, has been told to pay £60,000 (lost his NHS entitlement) for his cancer treatment. Others have lost jobs, benefits and been deported to a strange land. All because the Maybot changed the rules with no measures for retrospective provision–and kept it quiet.
What a despicable piece of work.
Don’t you just love the compassion of Austerity?
And this government has the gall to be currently trying to recruit trained nurses for the NHS in the Caribbean.
Its a big story there so I wonder how many takers they’ll get for the deal…
‘Come and work in Britain, we need you. But when you get older we will shaft you every which way from Sunday.’
People speculate on Trumpster…whther he knows this or that…
He cannot logically detect BS for several reasons.
He is lied to
He has no technical education, no chemistry, no engineering, no physics, and does not self-educate.
He feels comfortable among officers…a legacy from his military school.
His primary driver is emotion…the weakest point of rhetoric… But he cannot know this, never studied rhetoric.
CV from wiki Donald John Trump was born on June 14, 1946, at the Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, Queens, New York City, the fourth of five children.[12] Trump grew up in Jamaica, Queens, and attended the Kew-Forest School from kindergarten through seventh grade. At age 13, he enrolled in the New York Military Academy, a private boarding school, after his parents discovered that he had made frequent trips into Manhattan without their permission.[13][14]
In 1964, Trump began his higher education at Fordham University.[10][15] After two years, he transferred to the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, because it offered one of the few real-estate studies departments in United States academia at the time.[15][16] Trump was inspired by his father and Manhattan developer William Zeckendorf, vowing to be “even bigger and better”.[17] While at Wharton, he worked at the family business, Elizabeth Trump & Son,[18] and graduated in May 1968 with a Bachelor of Science in economics.[15][19][20]
Real estate is a “science”? C’mon! Recall what the word actually means.. T Man majored in BS, not a science.
Real estate in US is all based on belief – the expectation of an increase in “value”, of buildings that are in fact declining and expensive to maintain as structures. D. Orlov wrote about that in one of his papers of collapse. Is one of the few points of his with which we agree. Value of real estate in US is based on delusion.
What you can get from a sale is based on what the buyers imagines he will get for it later. Tax law is, in this, a big part.
I feel sorry for him.
I don’t. I feel sorry for his victims.
Look up the history of ‘Trump University’ (for which he got off lightly, paying nominal compensation, being Prez-elect I believe at the time). If that doesn’t scream “scam, scam!” at first glance then I’ll buy Brooklyn Bridge myself.
Feeling sorry for an incompetent schmuck does not mean not feeling sorry for the other people being ruined..
Obviously the man and the entire host of T man’s class are both pitiful and criminal…
Forgive them Father for they know not what they do…along those lines.
In the election period the choice presented was between two criminals…one was already established as a mass murderer. The other was not.
( I do not know who would be in the position of el presidente if the voting had been honest…did Murkinz chose anything? Was it two competing intelops? dunno…)
Now of course they both are…
But we are interested in outcomes.
Law inside empire became oxymoronic in 22 nov 1963…being replaced by simulacrum run by ukase. Of course at the beginning of the imperial period Rome (er… ” Murka”) followed the forms of the Republic… Does that sound familiar? (Tacitus…)
Radio, 30 minutes, episode on USSR https://cprnews.podbean.com/e/cpr-news-april-18-2018/
The almost – comically HYPERBOLIC British Express ‘newspaper’ is OUTRAGED that the HUGE Russian warship ‘Minsk’ will be passing through the ENGLISH Channel on its way home from the Mediterranean this Saturday:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/947804/russia-news-uk-war-world-war-3-vladimir-putin-english-channel/amp?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
Will this be the scene of a UK-staged ‘Gulf of Tonkin ‘ redux now that the Skripal fflag and Douma hoax are being exposed?
It is an International shipping channel despite what the Express is trying to imply. If they meddle with smooth passage, we will starve first and half the rest of the world will also suffer.
Thank the gods that most seamen have a more pragmatic take than the Express.
Hopefully all these kinds of people might burst a blood vessel or too…then headlines could be interesting of “Putins secret weapon kills off concerned citizens…”
A repost of an analytical chemist’s take on the Skripal affair :
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am an analytical chemist with 30 years experience.
You have to take other things into consideration when looking at half lives of chemical components and the rate of spontaneous breakdown in the medium in which they are held and the storage conditions etc.
So I do amongst other things patulin analysis which is a mycotoxin produced by apples in molds etc.
I wrote a paper up on it in 2016 for an improved method.
I store the stock solution for calibration in acetonitrile in deep freeze at -20C as it is otherwise potentially much less stable.
In chemical analysis eg pesticide analysis in particular analytical chemists who are congenitally lazy will often cheat, at first, and look for just the breakdown products of what they are interested in as it is easier.
The presence a breakdown product can imply the existence of the ‘parent’ molecule although the Swiss lab seem to be using the ‘virgin’ metaphor which is new to me.
Finding a for instance ‘captan’ (pesticide) residue breakdown product in an organic apple juice and not finding the parent molecule in an analysis more dedicated to pick up the parent or virgin molecule can generate problems with ‘interpretation’.
As datasets on the half life of captan in an apple juice medium and captan residue in authenticated organic apple juice might not be available.
The manner in which this novichok might breakdown in its storage medium/conditions may or may not be different to how it breaks down or what it breaks down into in a in vitro or in situ environment.
Or in other words how it might breakdown when added to a blood sample and how or what it breaks down into in a poisoned mammal.
These are questions I do not pretend to know the answer to.
However the Lavrov interpretation of the alleged Swiss lab report seem to suggest that they thought there was something strange about the relative proportions of the parent or virgin Novichok and its breakdown products.
Breakdown products and ‘precursors’ can be two sides of the same coin as something has the potential to break back down to its ‘precursors’.
What appears to be missing as well is the potential for this A-234 to have been administered as a ‘binary agent’.
So you for instance smear agent ‘A’ which is a harmless novichok A-234 ‘precursor’ on a door handle perhaps and clear off.
It is on the hand of the victim and his loose change and everything else.
And then smear acetonitrile on the outside of a beer glass that they are going to pick up and run for the exit.
There is babble on chemistry forums about a ‘one pot’ synthesis of novichok A-234 from ‘A’ and acetonitrile.
It looks ok to me but I won’t pretend that it is my game.
I think however that they have knocked them out with BZ toxin.
Spiked the blood samples with novichok A-234.
And not expected the anally retentive German Swiss chemists to have noticed anything odd.
I agree.
(Not myself a chemist, but I read chemistry for fun)
Bet MI6 “salted the mine”…then scrubbed the scenes and imprisoned the stooges.
BZ fits. A 234 does not.
Thanks to Elmer!
One really nasty “unintended delayed secondary after-effect” is that amateurs in the criminal worlds of drug synthesis are going to see what they can do… This popularization of chemical substances is incredibly irresponsible…
Excellent video presentation by former Welcome chemist on why the Skripal poisoning could not have been done by Russia in the UK :
https://youtu.be/J4utEI2EU64
We live in interesting times – here is a BBC reporter telling off a UK General for telling the truth:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-18/bbc-reporter-discourages-syria-questions-due-information-war-russia
Thanks for posting…hope video stays safe somewhere…maybe he could be contacted to write more for saker especially on the OPCW investigations…..
” From that, he relates that the synthesis of a specific small organic chemical like the supposed Novichoks is not very difficult.”
More to come? The genie is out…
At the YTVideo the summary text runs:
“Dr Busby says a few words about the Russian Nerve Agent issue. He speaks as an expert in this area. Chris worked for several years at the famous Wellcome Research laboratories in Beckenham, London as a Senior Scientist in the Department of Physical Chemistry. His job, at the basic level, was to help determine the structure and origin of pharmaceutical compounds. So, he is an expert in this area. He also carried out similar work at Queen Mary College London for his first PhD and synthesised complex organic chemicals. From that, he relates that the synthesis of a specific small organic chemical like the supposed Novichoks is not very difficult. Most sythetic organic chemists could knock up small quantities of the 234 compound, given the structure. Mainly, there is no way that the compound that was detected in the Skripal attack could be traced to a Russian laboratory (or any laboratory) by any lab unless the lab already had a sample known to come from the Russian laboratory (or the source laboratory). The determination and identification methods mainly depend on mass spectrometric fragmentation patterns, and include the spectrum of stray molecular fragments from impurities associated with the synthesis route. This is how Wellcome located Patent jumping, and took this evidence ( from Busby and colleagues) into the courts. All chemists know this, and that is why the Porton head said what he said, as any chemist would have been able to raise this issue and show that he was lying, if he said anything else. It is basic physical chemistry. So, the new headline in the Times, about a secret Russian laboratory is also bogus. What is also clear is that the mass spectrum of the A234 compound was put on the NIST database in 1998 by a worker from the USA chemical warfare laboratory. Chris therefore concludes that this whole affair is a tissue of lies and misdirection, rather like the WMD Iraq scenario and is aimed at creating a war with Russia that no one can win and where all life will lose. Why is this being done? Because the only way for the rich and powerful to escape the coming US Economic catastrophe caused by the destruction of the petrodollar is to pull the house down and hope to escape in the general confusion and disaster from the wreckage.”
http://russialist.org/british-media-regulator-probing-rts-impartiality-after-salisbury-poisoning/
Talk about the pot callig the kettle black. How long before Russians or anyone supporting Russia will have to wear an armband in the UK?
A sandstorm obstructs visibility in Yazd, Iran on April 16, 2018.
See the wind catcher towers atop of buildings. With wind being driven downward and picking up evaporating water from a pool at ground level the temperature in one mosque was recorded to be around 25 Centigrade when the outside temperature was around 40 degrees C.
https://sputniknews.com/photo/201804181063673272-huge-sandstorm-yazd-iran/
Windcatcher – بادگیر (bod wind باد … ghir گیر catch/chase/pursue … read Farsi right to left)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher
Eastern music with song to get your day moving along …
Rastak – Vasoonak (Faars) (رستاک – واسونک – فارس)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll4kcpA7Ec8
… and …
Rastak – Sanin Yadegarin (Azarbaijan) (رستاک – سنین یادگارین – آذربایجان)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdIdkBoa1ow
Thank you. Fascinated by musical instruments and colours. Pity I don’t understand the words.
Russian Ballet Dancers Denied US Visa Ahead of Concert
Prima ballerina Olga Smirnova and premier dancer Jacopo Tissi from Moscow’s Bolshoi Theatre were set to perform at New York’s Lincoln Center.
The US authorities have denied visas to the Russian ballet dancers, according to Page Six news outlet. Despite the decision on visa refusal being made on April 10, the dancers were only informed about it on April 18.
The Bolshoi Theatre’s press service has issued a statement that the artists were denied entry because the US authorities didn’t have time to arrange documents to issue the visas.
https://sputniknews.com/world/201804191063721806-russian-ballet-dancers/
Jacopo Tissi – Video
You can change the language of the subtitles from Italian to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPP7_2Oiyc4
Olga Smirnova -Video
You can change the language of the subtitles from Russian to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4N9Xoj_x0c
Pyotr Tchaikovsky Swan Lake – Dying Swan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5aChARXv9Q
You might think that all the Lib-tards in NYC cultural scene would pull a few strings for Cultural community and the Arts. But no they’ve all “gone fishing” with cult approved bait and will come up sadly missing.
Can Russia further develop its own internal markets to absorb excess capacity? I would like to think that Russia can do more for Russian living standards than be an exporter of raw materials:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-19/russian-aluminum-giant-seeking-rescue-us-sanctions-china
The magnitude of antagonistic forces, making up armies of destruction on this planet at every split moment and multi-level of natural life, is exponential by the day. I wonder how it is possible to remain real, or detached with informal indifference as any careless individual would, or even face the truth with much compassionate love for everyone without exception… or even in perpetuating the simple need to exist as a person.
At a time when serious public questioning is viewed as criminal by Authorities, I have to ask myself if personal self-inquiry is still ok: a true ‘Selfie’; especially when the heart is good.
Although silence often reflects the best intent at mirroring the truth, I would rinse and repeat myself in the shortest way possible:
Life is a dream, make it real
Life is a challenge, meet it
Life is a game, play it
Life is love, share it
When all of the above happens at once I feel like a miracle is taking place with no fear, in a simple synchronicity of events. Whenever I cannot love, I just don’t hate.
Is it about liberation of a person or from… the person?
Are we enslaved in the more existing ‘peaceful’ emotional body (or part thereof ‘more cultivated’ people) or just attached to some egotistic person conditioned by whatever makeshift reasons? Or simply… longing to be free from this ‘personality’ shell all together? I am working on it.
There is no active volcano crater deep enough to bury the ashes left behind by some degenerated species and ‘powerful’ hidden evil characters. No trace of human values would feature in their remains after spending their existential lives creating chaos on earth by whatever means, either dark rituals or secret bonding cults. They are in essence ‘highly likely’ much worse than animals, although I don’t have any proof. All I know is that actions do bind in many ways and we may possibly have just run out of sin-eaters.
Why bother? The most expensive schooling systems developed in high English societies is applied to some of the ‘best’ brains available, ultimately to be fitted on the worst sycophants… simply meant to deliver the worst kind of educational patterns and promoted, rotten to the core, on elevated psychotic benchmarks.
We are not talking here about ‘British Beef sCatology’ reporting from home but oceans of human blood being drained out of dry stones.
No better in French jetset anthropology faculties (not sure about Chinese, Hindi or Hebrew) by watching the pre-hysteric rediscovery of “L’Homme de Micron-mignon’’ alive. The current French President would make anyone think Napoleon is re-incarnated and… remodeled in his saner or more humble embalmed version. Napoleon to his Minister Talleyrand: “You are nothing but a bag of s@#t in silk stockings” or about his imperial pay package: “My yearly wage as an Emperor is one million soldiers”. [Wasn’t Napoleon wearing silk himself or didn’t he wholeheartedly waste an entire army of 600000 (+) against the Russians?]. Obviously we don’t account neither for loyal horses at work… nor windbags of vintage horse manure blasted raw on breaking news !
While The Saker, Soakers and Fakers, fearlessly debate on the scene in surreal surroundings, head high but knee deep (‘The Soakers’ being all seekers of truth, soaked in it… caught up in between the Saker initiative vs Fakers endeavour), the ‘suckers’ are being dealt handsomely at face value by… Zuck.
Down below is far from my favorite style of writing but somehow felt compelled by this very unique episode of successive ‘à la British’ attempts at abusing and manipulating the more mentally depleted beings living on this planet (obviously acting on behalf of a more deceptive and deeper fertilizer base). Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Absolutely, what has ‘Stupid’ more to gain and ‘Malicious’ more to loose… at the very end of time?
Proper English language wouldn’t come close enough, in a sketch beyond satire and parody:
Her Highest Altered ‘Grumptyness’ (HHAG)
May be merry… maybe not
But May… be not in May.
If you ever asked me
When tail wagth God…
Down from ‘Badshitheil Bridge’
Now well dabbled in Royal Fudge
Holy crap’s gone to Hell’s bowels
‘BoJaw’ munched on sour shells
Blew the lid off White Hats’ job
And dribbled on Skrewball’s knob
Fatty lobs mothballs at slaves
Farty May said… she’d save
While her hubby’s raking dough
By bucket loads from mercs cow
May be merry… maybe not
But May… be not in May.
If you ever asked me
When tail wagth God…
Moscow walks the Milky Way
Talking Mickey out of the way
The Bear pulls down the chains
Raining down on Humpty’s chems
Russians don’t play much… ‘Porkers’
Hearts and spades iced in pairs
Regal Flush and gloves in hands
Over Pinky’s promised Lala lands
But wreck’d Dumpty’s dancin’bowl
Bobo’s… in A flat major… hooowl !
May be merry… maybe not
But May… be not in May.
If you ever asked me
Hard to say at this stage, if these droplets of caustic sweat (just passed recently like some gallbladder stones through the very straw… that made my Ka-mel backside warp a little…) are going to make it through the mods’ MO, maybe, maybe not: comme-ci, comme ça…
:-)
So be it… I wldn’t shed a single tear if a ‘coupla verses’ don’t pass the test. I cannot be caught with both hands in one sleeve (La Manche) judging myself on a discovery trip across the British Channel.
By the way, just wondering if any one invested in performing arts could apply some fine K…rap tune on these very fine lyrics of contemporary rap (or vice versa !). Thx.
I can’t do music of any kind but liked what you wrote, including the poetry. Thanks for sharing !
Russia 1 – News at 20 o’clock – Video*
(Moscow 8:00 pm, Berlin 7:00 pm, NY 1:00 pm, LA 10 am; vor some years there is no summertime in Russia)
*You can change the language of the subtitles from Russian to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_sp0VmJ5g
Here’s a little positive news:
Russia And Iran Complete Their First Oil-For-Goods Transfer, And Extend the Agreement For A Year
“Nearly four years after Iran and Russia first agreed to an oil-for-goods swap agreement worth billions of dollars, RT is reporting that the first delivery of Iranian crude oil to Russia under the program has been completed…”
UN rep of Cote d’Ivoire died suddenly. His final speech in the UN was at the Security Council meeting on April 14.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?444087-1/rejects-russian-resolution-condemning-strikes-syria
There are People who have Researched these matters, and they think that there is a Definite Connection between England’s Shadow Regime, and with the Bogus Christopher Steele ‘dossier’ that Alleged that America’s President was at one time Secretly Filmed in Russia, and with the Hoax that the Skripals were allegedly poisoned by Russia, and with the Hoax chemical weapons attack in Syria that the British Corruptly and Slanderously accused the Syrian Government, and Russia is helping to Defend the Syrian People from Terrorists.
It is Not Britain who was behind those Hoaxes, but it is England’s Shadow Regime who were behind those Hoaxes, and they may even have used People of English ancestry from its Puppet Colony of Australia to help them with some of that, and we saw how Tommy Robinson who was speaking against the Pedophilia Epidemic in Britain, and how he was Wrongly arrested, because England’s Shadow Regime does Not want People to Know how they make Puppets of People in Britain and in other Countries, by Secretly Filming them in an Acts of Pedophilia, and then Blackmailing them to walk back Brexit, because they want Britain to eventually use the Euro Currency, because George Soros is a Currency Trader who Knows how to Bribe and Puppetize British and American Politicians, and Soros is Funding an attempt to walk back Brexit at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1138497/Theresa-May-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html and those File are Not missing, but they are in a Secret place to be able to Blackmail and Puppetize certain Members of the British Parliament and People from other Countries including Commonwealth Countries at https://www.thepileus.com/uk/theresa-may-and-the-missing-child-sex-abuse-files/ , and this is Why there are People who think that this was how England’s Shadow Regime was able to Puppetize Sufficient Influential Scots who were Puppetized to keep Scotland as part of Britain, and there are English People who Approve of the English Shadow Regime using Pedophilia if it keeps Scotland as a Puppet Colony of England, and this is Why those English People are Not defending Tommy Robinson, who Should be Free in a Once Free Country, and Scotland wants to rejoin the European Union, and Julian Assange is Also an Innocent Victim of the Corrupt English Shadow Regime.
There are Many People from England’s Puppet Colony of Australia who Consider themselves to be English, before they consider themselves to be Australians, Regardless of how long their English Ancestors have been in Australia at http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/alexander-downer-george-papadopoulos-mueller/ .
That is Perfectly Understandable, and I do Not criticize them for that, but I Only mentioned that to Clarify that for the unacquainted Reader, as to where the Natural Loyalties of those ‘Australians’ are; however, it is Highly Improper for England’s Shadow Regime and their Puppets to Scheme a Subtle Coup on England’s Best Friend and Closest Partner, and for them to Interfere in the American Election, and try to blame Russia for their actions, because they did Not want Candidate Donald Trump to become President, because he said that if Britain leaves the European Union, then America will have a Free Trade Deal with Britain, and England’s Shadow Regime wanted Britain to be a Member of the European Union, and the Irrefutable Evidence for these things is provided in this comment, and England had Plenty of time to Properly Investigate the Christopher Steele ‘dossier’, because he is British, and announce that the Christopher Steele ‘dossier’ is Bogus, and Hillary Clinton has Admitted that she Funded that Bogus opposition ‘research dossier’, and he or she who Pays the Piper, Calls the Tune, and the Fact that England did Not do any Investigation on that, then it means that the English Shadow Regime and their Puppets Knew that they were Behind that, and they Interfered in the American Elections, because Christopher Steele was Obligated to inform the British Government of what was going on, and he would have Informed the British Government, Regardless of any Lying denials to the contrary, and which was either a matter of genuine concern to Britain, or it was a Coup attempt by England’s Shadow Regime on Britain’s Best Friend and Closest Partner, and that is Why there are People who think that the British Government (England’s Shadow Regime and their Puppets) were among the First to be Aware of these things, because they Secretly worked with the Clinton Campaign, and England’s Shadow Regime and their Puppets may also be Responsible to some degree for the Unnecessary Mueller ‘investigation’, because for a Country to Campaign Dishonorably and Secretly and use Criminal and Undemocratic Methods in favor of one Candidate over another Candidate, is a Coup attempt on that Country.
There are Many Australian Politicians of English descent whose First Loyalty is to England, before they would Represent the People of Australia.
There are Many Examples of that, and one of those examples is the ‘Australian’ who served as the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom.
Wikipedia says that the father of this Person was Knighted, and that he also served as an Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, and the grandfather of this Person also received a Knighthood at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-31/alexander-downer-allegedly-linked-to-us-russia-investigation/9295180 .
It is Alleged that certain things were Revealed by a former Trump aide while he had Allegedly drank a significant quantity of alcohol, and where that Alleged occasion, or that Alleged venue, or that Alleged matter may be based Entirely on Lies, and would have been organized with the help of England, and is Alleged to have occurred in May of 2016.
It has been Alleged that during that alleged meeting of the then Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and of a low level Trump aide, and it is Suspicious as to Why they would even speak to each other, unless the ‘Australian’ Diplomat wanted to use him to begin an FBI investigation on Candidate Donald Trump as a Contrived Pretext for Improper Spying on the Trump Campaign, and where it is alleged that Russia had Hillary Clinton’s deleted Emails that were allegedly deleted with BleachBit were Allegedly revealed to the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, and Hillary Clinton may have wanted other Countries to think that someone had her deleted Emails that contained Classified Information, so that other Countries would hope that Hillary Clinton became President, and this would Encourage some of them to help Hillary Clinton by Donating to the Clinton Foundation.
These Lies then became the subject of a Politically Motivated Corrupt FBI ‘investigation’, which was based on the Bogus Christopher Steele ‘dossier’, as the Flimsy and Contrived Pretext for that Improper Politically Motivated Spying on an opposition Political Candidate for the recent American Election, and for the subsequent Improper FBI ‘investigation’, whose Only purpose was to make Hillary Clinton the President of America, because that is what was wanted by England’s Shadow Regime.
It could be that the former Trump aide was Not drunk on that occasion, if he was there in the first place, and which is claimed to have occurred in May of 2016, while David Cameron was the Prime Minister of Britain, but he may have been drugged, and then he may have been Unwittingly Photographed in what appears to be an Act of Pedophilia, rather than being Filmed in an Act of Unwilling Pedophilia, while he was Unconscious or Semi Conscience, and then the Photographs were shown to him, and then he may have became a Puppet of England’s Shadow Regime, or he Could have been Bribed or Blackmailed on something else to Lie for England’s Shadow Regime, and say that he was drunk at that time, and that he did Not know what he said while he was Allegedly drunk, and who could prove otherwise, but that Allegation Could Easily be a Lie, if he was in Fact Blackmailed or Bribed to Lie, or he could have been drunk, but did Not say what was Alleged, and perhaps he does Not know what he said while he was drunk, if he was drunk, and Photographs can Disguise Facts much better than Film, and Photographs can be photo shopped, and this Alleged occasion was written of in an Article of what could Easily be Alleged News or Fake News, and that is because some Aspects of some Journalism is where some Journalists may have themselves been Secretly Filmed, and then Blackmailed, and then Puppetized, and so they merely write or say what they are Ordered to write or say by their Puppet Masters, and where they unquestionably accept one side’s account of Alleged events, before asking for the account of the other side, which would provide more balanced Journalism regarding alleged events and alleged conversations, and that provides for more honest journalism, and some Journalists Like their Pay Packets, and they Like to Stay out of Jail, Much More than they like Integrity and Genuine Public Service, and this is Why there are People who think that at least some Aspects as told by some People of that Alleged event Could Very Easily be Deliberate Lies and Slander at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-31/alexander-downer-allegedly-linked-to-us-russia-investigation/9295180 .
It has been said that in September of 2015, that Christopher Steele was hired to compile an opposition ‘research dossier’ on Candidate Donald Trump, and we Know that the Clinton Campaign Elevated Candidate Donald Trump, and hoped that he would become the Republican Party nominee for Presidential Candidate, and if Candidate Donald Trump was colluding with a foreign Country and susceptible to being Blackmailed by a foreign Country, then Why would an Allegedly patriotic Clinton Campaign who had alleged information from her Puppet Obama Administration, want him to be the Republican nominee to be in the Presidential Election, and Why would a ‘patriotic’ Clinton Campaign Not produce any evidence that Candidate Donald Trump was colluding with a foreign Country and was susceptible to being Blackmailed by a foreign Country, and Why would these ‘patriots’ Not try to Prevent him from becoming President at the Election rather than using the Mueller Team for an attempt to commit a Coup on a Democratically Elected Legitimate President, as their act of alleged patriotism, in defense of America and its Laws and its Constitution, and the answer is that the Clinton Campaign and its Puppets are acting as Traitors to America, to its Laws, and to its Constitution, as the Hillary Clinton Private Email Servergate Crimes Proves, and it Shows that they Always Knew that the Christopher Steele ‘dossier’ was Entirely based on Slander and Lies, and it was for such situations of Intrigue and Treason that the Founding Father gave the President the Constitutional Right to Pardon People, to Safeguard the Republic by Frustrating the Schemes of Traitors and Troublemakers and Unprincipled Opportunists who want to make America a Dictatorship, and who want to Mislead Americans, with Lies and with Carefully Crafted Deceptive arguments, and Christopher Steele and the British Government of David Cameron Knew of the Emails Published by WikiLeaks that said these things, and that means that England’s Shadow Regime wanted Hillary Clinton to become President, and it was for such situations of Intrigue and Possible Coup attempt or actual Treason that the Founding Father gave the President the Constitutional Right to Pardon People, and that means that the President Can or Should Pardon Most or All of the People that the Confirmed Obstruction of Justice Known as the Mueller ‘investigation’ charges with a crime, in order to Discourage this Coup attempt and future Coup attempts in America, and Christopher Steele Also Knew that, and he Knew that Hillary Clinton was Bribing him, and that the British Government had More Money for his Lies, and that there would be More Money for him, if he Helped Hillary Clinton become President, and his purpose was mainly that of providing a Contrived Pretext for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Warrants and National Security Letters to Improperly Spy on an opposition Political Candidate, and Christopher Steele may have been Bribed and Ordered by England’s Shadow Regime, who may have been Bribed by the Clinton Foundation Slush Fund to Help the Clinton Campaign at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/28/documents-suggest-possible-coordination-between-cia-fbi-obama-wh-and-dem-officials-early-in-trump-russia-probe-investigators.html .
England’s Shadow Regime and their Puppets may have had Connections to the Clinton Foundation, and Possibly to Substantial Bribes from the Clinton Foundation Slush Fund, and the FBI and Mueller have Known that Hillary Clinton took over the Funding of the Bogus Christopher Steele ‘opposition research dossier’, since at least last year, and Hillary Clinton said that there is a difference between paying for that information and colluding with Russia to influence the Election.
However, the Christopher Steele ‘dossier’ was Not information, but it is Slander and Lies, which was intended to Rig that Election, and therefore it was a Coup attempt, even as Hillary Clinton Rigged the Senator Sanders Primaries, and she Usurped the Democratic Party’s nomination, with a Coup on Senator Sanders Rightful Presidential nomination of the Democratic Party, and the FBI began its Sham ‘investigation’ in the summer of 2016, and Candidate Donald Trump won the Republican Party nomination for Presidential Candidate in the summer of 2016 at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5042027/Hillary-Clinton-DEFENDS-paying-Steele-dossier-Trump.html .
We have seen Many Example of England’s Shadow Regime and their Puppets Slandering Russia, and this is Why there are People who are wondering if England ordered Ukraine to shoot down MH17 passenger plane and Wrongly blame Russia for that, as the Research of Unbiased Investigative Journalists on the Global Research Website say, and using the Search function for that Website onMH17 gives the following News Articles on this at https://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=MH17&x=0&y=0 , and we have seen how England is Responsible for other Problems on Continental Europe, such as Kosovo, and what the European Union to Pay for that, while they leave the European Union.
Furthermore, there was No colluding of Candidate Donald Trump with a foreign Country to influence that Election, because if there was any evidence for that Slander, then it would have been provided after all of this time, but there was a Conspiracy by the Clinton/Obama Administration to Invent a Contrived Pretext to Improperly Spy upon and to Interfere with the Trump Campaign, with the intention of Rigging the 2016 Presidential Election.