2018/05/25 05:00:01
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Mohammed Bin Salman is Alive We Have No Video Proof?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV72aj5BNF4
… remembering Carlos the Kiev Air-Traffic Controller … transcript of events …
ETN received information from an air traffic controller (Carlos) in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
https://slavyangrad.org/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/
(ETN Global Travel Industry News, July 17, 2014)
reddit has a page saying spanish carlos does not exist.
i recall seeing the tweets the same day, so whomever he was, he was ready.
his spanish is almost perfect. only found 1 minor error after analizing the tweets. all accents on the proper place, and even i cant be bothered to do that.
any further news regarding him?
Carlos returned to Spain and gave some interviews which were on YouTube. While on this subject and with reference to MSM fake news, it is important to understand a Boeing 777 does not go missing because it is constantly being multi-communicated with. The Iranian Pilots Association have signed a joint statement stating the 777 cannot “go missing”. Rolls Royce engines remain their property and are monitored by automatic communications to Derbyshire in England. Initially information was forthcoming from RR … the plane flew for five hours after its course diversion. The 777 was monitored by others who had information, but silence quickly prevailed. The plane carried just enough fuel to get to Beijing, as is modern operating economics practice, so if a radius is set with a compass between Malaysia and Beijing and a circle drawn over the map, pinned at the departure point, the plane was within that area, unless landed, refueled and airborne again. When the plane was spotted over the Maldives there was an MSM reporting shutdown on the Maldives and MSM was ‘guided’ into the Southern Indian Ocean, well away from basic logic and reality and taxpayers money wasted on searching over four years.
So you follow the theory both flights where the same?
MH17 was really MH370 —- https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/26/mh17-was-really-mh370/
… ask Malaysian airlines if they are one plane down, or two !
(why interrogate me?)
Who Are The Good Guys?? The “White Hats”.
Not Hard White Helmets, like the SWars Cloned Storm-troopers or the NWO Fakers in Syria. (what a disgusting assignment…..be a Zombie Clone in a NWO Spielberg Movie….like Zuckerface…..
“Yuckiescusting!” is a word my now 16 yr old exclaimed at a refueling stop in Redding when the front of our car was splattered with insects going through the rice fields of Northern California, when he was 5. Now I give you: “YuckieZuckyScusting”…….the Evolution of Language….LOL
I’d submit that Putin merits first rank consideration. Most here think saving his country (and Syria, and -Chechnya, and…….(other parts of Eurasia that the NWO Elites of a Garbage Can Care Not One Whit About) might qualify one for consideration.
Xi is another nominee that more here may quibble with, but without his (China’s) cooperation to date I do not think that Putin could have been nearly as successful as he has been. If you distrust the Mandarins, maybe at least trust that the prior sentence is true, even if you don’t like it, hmmmm?
Trump?? Oooh, boy. Stopping Hitlery was a service to humanity but few thinking Trump voters like myself (last minute….didn’t plan on it until about Nov 2, 2016) have no concerns about him really “Screwing the Pooch” here before he’s done.
He seems to be well into the act, but will he pivot and Mass Arrest the White is Black Helmets and Their New World Order Masters in their Communal Criminal “In-Flagrante Delicto Act” of Buggery Against The Human Race?
The Odds Are Running Extremely Long at the Moment.
Place your bets. “No Guts, No Glory.”
I have to go to my training session now, but that’s my theme for this Cafe.
Who are YOUR Good Guys nominees???
Please be serious. Don’t say “Robert DeNiro and Joe Pesci.”
Today my Man of the Day is Putin, for this quote:
“We don’t need trade wars today or even temporary trade ceasefires. We need a comprehensive trade peace
Well VVP I ascertain is the current Front Runner for # 1 White Hat World Wide…….and one source of data regarding the symbol of colored head gear, the grey matter between the ears under the hat, and the heart below is http://www.thesiriusreport.
One of the first things we do to maintain strategic moral bearings is conduct the Russia Litmus Test. It seems Sirius Report is serious about the Keystone Nation of Eurasia. If we click on the Russia Tab of their Home Page one article adds older quotes of VVP to Amarynth’s VVP Quote of the Day:
https://www.thesiriusreport.com/analysis-opinion/vladimir-putin-quotes/
My favorite:
“People in Russia say that those who do not regret the collapse of the Soviet Union have no heart, and those that do regret it have no brain. We do not regret this, we simply state the fact and know that we need to look ahead, not backwards. We will not allow the past to drag us down and stop us from moving ahead. We understand where we should move. But we must act based on a clear understanding of what happened..”
There are many others at the above link you might prefer.
I confess I got the idea for my Current Cafe Theme at Sirius Report from this article, by their apparently main staff writer, LISA…..which is not so long:
“First of all, in our opinion the term ‘white hats’ isn’t very accurate, because this is most commonly used to refer to so-called good guys in the Pentagon. The reality is that most of these people operate not in the US, but in other parts of the world. Also, we find that a lot of information that has come out in the alternative media regarding the actions of these supposed white hats is questionable to say the least. Hardly have any promises or predictions from these white hats actually come to pass.
Furthermore, it should be noted that the real ‘white hats’, meaning people around the globe who are taking action against the cabal, operate like ghosts. These people don’t exist. This doesn’t mean they literally don’t exist, but what it means is that they are extremely obscure and do not like to be referenced. They go about their business quietly and don’t make a big fuss about it. It’s not an ego trip for them. Most of us are so used to people in alternative media who claim to have intel shouting it from the rooftops and making themselves out to be the person on top of the food chain who has all the answers to everything that we almost can’t imagine that maybe the real movers and shakers are actually the complete opposite of this. If they weren’t their very lives would be in danger.
There is also an idea going around that suggests that these ‘white hats’ are part of a loose alliance of some sort. This is inaccurate. There is a very coordinated effort underway, and has been for years, to remove the cabal. There are groups of people all around the world who are doing this in a concerted effort. They may have some different perspectives and viewpoints, but the general consensus is that they want to get humanity out of this mess.
A question that might arise is: ‘what do these people have that we don’t have?’ The answer to that is quite simple. They just happen to be in a position where they can affect change. There are many Trojan horses everywhere. One may then ask: how do we know we can trust these people? And why do they have the right to do this, because it’s not as if they’ve been elected. That is a very valid question and one that cannot be fully answered. The unfortunate truth is that this is war situation and the people who are working behind the scenes cannot take the risk of exposing themselves. We cannot have democratic elections to decide who gets to do this at this point in time. Only after the cabal is removed will that be possible. Although it should be noted that these people are working directly with elected officials such as Putin and other world leaders. This is the reality of the situation, whether we like it or not. What we can say though from our own perspective is that what was stated above is not guesswork on our behalf. We have no reason to doubt the integrity of these people. That may not be much of an answer, but it’s all that can be said about it at this point.”
END of Lisa’s White Hats Article
Obviously this bears on the Q Anon phenomenon which I have referenced and tried to make clear that I neither profess to know “the skinny” (or “straight poop” if you would prefer….on the down side…LOL) nor do I feel any urgency to “believe” anything particular about its strategic relevancy. All I assert is that it IS a Mass Phenomenon THAT CLAIMS to have some idea of Who the White Hats Might Be with all kinds of personal prejudices wildly varying in interpretation of Q Clues across the Entire Spectrum of Possible Interpretations.
But this isn’t about White Hats According to Q.
This is about White Hats According to……..YOU!
Lisa makes a bunch of sense.
I read Q Anon – periodically – out of curiosity, not to be informed of tactics/strategy.
Nor would I spend a single nanosecond trying to ‘solve’ the cryptic ‘messages’.
Best way to ‘solve’ anything that is consciously cryptic anyway, is to let it percolate into your subconscious, whereupon such ‘patterns’ that may be beneath will – possibly, no guarantees. – emerge.
Thanks for the Lisa repost, it was a good reminder not to waste time on solving puzzles, instead of researching yourself.
By the way, The Goodfellas gangster movie is an insight into American “Entertainment.”
Good is Bad.
Bad is funny and “entertaining.”
The “Now Go Home and Get Your F-ing Shine Box!” Scene:
Pesci gets insulted by an older mobster:
https://youtu.be/PJzNUydlQ4I
Pesci returns to the bar an hour later, blindsides his former shoe shine customer with a knockout punch from the side and behind, stumps his face into a bloody mess, killing him, then with De Niro’s and some other “Good” Fellas’ help loads him into the trunk of their car for disposal in a New Jersey dumpster.
And that’s family entertainment, at least for kids shortly before or after high school graduation.
“Good” Grief!
Jill Stein who at least refused to bow to Hilary and Roger Stone for being one crusty conservative duster-upper who has some class and principles.
For a few laughs …
https://www.duffelblog.com/2014/05/ukraine-drinking-contest/
“Four hours later, a half-naked, sweaty and pale-looking Obama was rolled out on a stretcher, his chair surrounded by empty Zima bottles. The president was vomiting every 30 seconds or so into a hotel ice bucket as his detail wheeled him to the waiting Marine One transport helicopter.
For his part, Putin walked out of the room on his own power, still fully dressed in suit and tie, leaving empty vodka bottles in neat rows beside his chair. Putin announced he was a little peckish, and devoured a rack of yak ribs before going on a 10-mile jog and house-training a wild ocelot.
What the contest’s outcome will mean to Ukraine and the Balkan region in general is not clear at this time. Russian diplomats refused to comment on the contest, but the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine said he was “ deeply concerned.“
I’m still laughing – especially at the ‘house – training a wild ocelot’ and the ‘deeply concerned’ bits…
I actually had to look up what Zima was!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zima_(drink)
“…cited Zima’s perceived reputation as a “girly-man” beverage and its persistent parodying by late-night TV host David Letterman.[3…”
A new flotilla of ships intent on breaking Israel’s 10-year blockade of the Gaza Strip
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-flotilla-set-to-leave-denmark-in-bid-to-break-blockade-on-gaza/
ukrops had another ‘fire sale’ – get it while it’s still hot!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=cP5u1plo2uU
So is it for Moscow to confess to the downing of the Malaysian plane over Ukraine in 2014?
No actual evidence presented. Indeed, the actual evidence (from Russia) points quite clearly to Ukraine being responsible.
It is clear that the MH17 farce is just going to be used to attack Russia.
… Australian “fake news” … Starring BellingCat in a New Exciting Episode !
“Research network ‘Bellingcat’ and news outlet ‘The Insider’ named former Russian military adviser and activities directorate Oleg Vladimirovich Ivannikov as a person who had direct influence over the area where the plane was shot down.”
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/top-russian-named-over-downing-of-mh17/ar-AAxMhU8?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout
(an Indian would say … “lower than a snake’s belly”)
Russia’s Great Leap Forward of the Middle Way is celebrating its first Economic Forum after the seminal speech of 3/1/18 by President Putin. He has 6 years and will need vast amounts of capital and expertise. The morality will be in how much of the wealth generated goes to create social structures and income to support a stabilizing middle class. Hopefully Russia will not go 1 percent gets gold and 99 percent gets wage or debt slavery.
More importantly for the upcoming Month in which Trump promises “something big” like a gleeful little boy about to pop. Hmmm I wonder what. Oh yes, the World Football extravaganza hosted by Russia. Now what could spoil that? The fans don’t care about politics or poisoning or the right and wrongs of the Middle East conflicts; however, if all flights to Russia were cancelled by concerned governments ( yes, the same ones who trot along after the FUKUS demands to expel Russian diplomats), they would have no means to get to the play offs.
Note that the dead carcass of the M-17 investigation was dug up moldering with accusatory letters sent by grieving relatives to Russian authorities. Whoever was on the Save Yulia Skirpal campaign ( congratulations for keeping her alive, by the way) should launch into this big time. At least she had the sense to say that she wanted to return to Russia at some time so that crack in the door can be widened. RT can cover counter information ( if it was a Buk it was an outdated Uk-Buk) and narrative and it should do so.
As for the Ukraine, Russian intelligence will not be fooled by weak kneed Ukrainian allies or the stratagems of the CIA nor by the lengths to which they will go i.e. using chaos in the skies over Donbass to create a false flag. The idiots in the FUKUS false flag department will certainly attempt the “same-old/same/old”….
Let the Games begin—the real games.
A good advice for football fans travelling via Air to the games in Russia, checkout whether the flight crosses eastern Ukraine territory, if so look for another flight ! Don’t book a flight from a Israhell controlled airport either. Some nasty will go off during the games that’s a given, the only question is, how nasty….. Pray while entering Moscow Subway or better use a Taxi instead.
“Don’t book a flight from a Israhell controlled airport either”
You raise a very interesting point – are there any such airports in the Zionist occupied ‘West’? I would be surprised.
Al Jazeera documentary on the history of the Zionist movement in palestine and their machinations in europe seems promising (recommended by 21stCenturyWire)
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/05/20/sunday-screening-how-britain-created-israel-2013/
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/44549-corporate-lawyers-hijack-un-meeting-while-civil-society-is-sidelined#15272342488851&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=
Requiring arbitration, rather than recourse to courts of law is one of the ways the 1% rigs the system against ordinary people. In disputes between parties of unequal power, while courts of law try to make the formal process more fair, in arbitration, the weaker party ( individual worker, or consumer or country ) is exposed to the naked power of the powerful (corporation, vulture capitalist) . The arbitrators themselves are usually corporate lawyers beholden to the corporation for their future livelihood, and their attitudes are shaped by that lifelong dependency.
Here is a case where the UN agency on arbitration UNCITRAL, convenes a meeting to make arbitration less unfair, but invites almost only private interest arbitration lawyers, not public interest ngos etc.
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/44549-corporate-lawyers-hijack-un-meeting-while-civil-society-is-sidelined#15272342488851&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=
One sees similar tactics in Palestine, where the israelis usually insist on one-on-one negotiations with the Palestinians, without even the US present as observer. That maximises israeli power in the process.
Recently in the US, the new SupremeCourt judge neil gorsuch joined 4 of his colleagues, preventing workers from joining in class action suits against their employers. Instead each worker will be forced to pursue their individual interest alone in arbitration, if that was forced on them in their employment contract.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/supreme-court-shuts-workers-out-of-the-courthouse-for-good.html
today VVP stated at St P Conference that Europe, specifically France, did not need US security…and that Russia would take care of that…
I am minded to recall that pragmatic matters come before politics or ideology…
……..
If, one might speculate, USSR had stood at Normandy (after failed D Day actions) Comrade S might have said the same thing.
US is losing Eu…and Brother VVP knows it.
Now T Man claims (at Annapolis today) that US will dominate the Seas… Xerxes tried that… I gather that the Unification of the Heartland is OK with T Man… Smells like retreat, eh? Not that he’s gunna do better’n Xerxes…
Ah yes.
That was a candidate for my best Vladimir Putin quote, bur the chaos one won by a whisker.
It will be interesting to see how the NATO/corporate Anglo media spin that little gem.
Maybe ‘Russia threatens to invade France’?
Bin Laden and the Deep State
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/24/blockbuster-bin-laden-and-the-deep-state-published-in-russia/
Good news! The U.S. House just passed the No War with Iran amendment clarifying that Trump and
Pompeo do not have authority to launch war against Iran
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/25/us-house-passed-amendment-blocking-war-on-iran-story-buried/
Really? And just which way do you think the vote will go given a hearty debate (not happening) and thorough discussion ( dream on) throughout the Corporate media?
This is stil just an amendment added to a bill. It still has to be passed as a law.
‘ Our work is not over. The amendment could be stripped out in negotiations with the Senate, as has happened to both productive and dangerous amendments in the past. ‘
That would be good news for Iran. What about other countries.
What about Russia , Lebanon, N. Korea ….. ?
Zion can not survive without war. Is not that vote a step for the False Flag ?
Since when the world can trust the Warmonger House ?
Good Luck Stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6reue2o4NAE
Oops …it was a Uk-Buk/ Uk-dupe
Four years pass, the M-17 gathers
dust, mold–its debris scatters
still in that quiet countryside
its dead rest now but not the lies
A plane a plan, simulation ran
Buk fired in the fog of war?
but no missiles roared
or chem trail soared.
So who or what was in those skies
when booms were heard and bodies fell
May someone someday truth’s story tell.
So sick are we of half truths and lies.
It fell what had to fall just in time in order TO PRESS the EU into the sanction regime. Merkel made it clear MH17 was the game changer !
So ‘somebody’ cashed in big time and got some returns of what had been spent in the case already ( > 2 billions).
Can you sniff the smell and from where it originated, east or west ? If you can kill 3500 of your own country men (if dual citizens qualify as such..), then another 200 are certainly worth it as well.
America’s Fifth Column Will Destroy Russia
Posted By pcr3 On May 25, 2018 @ 6:00 pm In Articles & Columns | Comments Disabled
America’s Fifth Column Will Destroy Russia
This is the lecture I would have given if I had been able to accept the invitation to address the St. Petersburg Economic Conference in Russia this weekend.
Paul Craig Roberts
Executive Summary: From the standpoint of Russia’s dilemma, this is an important column. Putin’s partial impotence via-a-vis Washington is due to the grip that neoliberal economics exercises over the Russian government. Putin cannot break with the West, because he believes that Russian economic development is dependent on Russia’s integration within the Western economy. That is what neoliberal economics tells the Russian economic and financial establishment.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/25/americas-fifth-column-will-destroy-russia/print/
There is only one problem with this comment.
Putin and Russia are using the same economic modus now as the one Putin started to put into place when he started out, in 2000.
He doesn’t believe in any integration with the “West” – more accurately the Anglo Fascist Empire – neither do any of his economic managers.
What Putin did realise was that Central Control of Economy and Government ownership of everything didn’t work.
Everyone now knows it doesn’t work.
Where its been tried, it’s failed.
There is little doubt that market driven economics works best for the economy.
However the America model of unrestrained oligarchy and corporatism is also the main road to Fascism and disaster. Certainly Vladimir Putin knows this.
Thus, in Russia, the Market economy model first explicated by Anglo economists, has been used to drive Russia. The reason probably is that, with all it’s failures, it’s fair to say that the economic model first founded by the Anglo West is probably the best there has ever been for any society numbering in the millions. Just because another culture recognizes this and copies some of it’s main points doesn’t mean that the culture is falling to being a vassal of the West. That’s a short sighted and rather silly point of view. Russia in any case, has only copied some of it – not all of it. What Russia has is what we would expect of her – the Russian version.
Has it been a terrible failure, as PCR would suggest? After 18 yrs Russia’s huge bound forward is undeniable.
Russia is still as much a sovereign state as ever – in fact much much more so. There is little doubt that Putin has no time for Gorbachev and will never, ever, imitate him. To do so is to accuse him of treachery, and I can’t think of person less deserving of that label, nor more insulted.
It was Deripaska who said “Russia is building Capitalism, with no Capitalists”. I agree – it’s a superb concept and far removed from the Reaganist Economics PCR was largely responsible for, and which caused such despair and misery to so many, and helped paved the road to the Corporatocratic Fascist Nation America has become.
It’s strange, that PCR and others wish to criticise Putine for the market model he is using, whilst staring them in the face is the fact that it is this very same model, and to a large extent the very same people, who have driven Russia from circling the drain, to being 5th in the world in several market and economic indicators.
Somehow or other, I get the feeling that Vladimir Putin [Ph.D. Economics,] knows more of what he is doing than his armchair critics.
Oh, by the way, re that “5th column” thing.
I saw one of his Q & A’s were someone asked him about this, and Kudrin. His response was that yes, in many advisory positions he had people of many different view points. He found it useful and instructive to listen to them. But in the end, he made up his own mind. And, he added, as for this ‘5th’ column stuff, it really is nonsense, he said – quietly and a bit tiredly and bored. Not furiously defensive at all. There is no such thing, he added. Everyone is working together for Russia, and people are allowed to hold their own viewpoints. But there is no such thing as any imaginary “5th column”.
So – from the horses mouth, there you have it.
In regard to your last paragraph – please provide a link to VVP stating this. Thanks. Mod
Take a Break From Headgear At the Moment, and Let’s Go to The Opposite End of The Spectrum: Footwear.
I take my leave of the excellent “It All Depends On Your Values” thread where I posted something to do with shoes to chime in with the post by Vot Tak that resonated with several of us readers:
/it-all-depends-on-your-values/#comment-525630
I wrote a comment there to tease one regular (on the one hand) and warm the cockles of ioan’s heart (on the other….) regarding the Iconic TOTO, the veritable Canine Incarnation of the Conscious Balance of Intuition and Intelligence, from the Classic 1939 film adaptation of Frank Baum’s Wizard of Oz…..”Children’s” masterpiece of Symbolism.
But continuing on to share the following commentary there, in regard to footwear, and keeping our feet on the ground and not allowing too much to go to our heads in regard to the White Hats versus Black Hats Global Struggle, I felt might be going a bit too far. So here goes:
An online commenter on the film answers the question:
“In the book ‘The Wizard of Oz’ are Dorothy’s slippers silver?
Yes. Author and Oz series originator Lyman Frank Baum [May 15, 1856-May 5, 1919] made the Slippers Silver in both the original book published in 1900, and in the 1902/1903 stage version of The Wizard of Oz. It was only in the posthumous 1939 film version that the Slippers were Ruby. For those involved in the film found silver to look washed out in comparison to the riotous colors of their Technicolor production. And so red was chosen instead.. The original Wizard of Oz books had a deep level of symbolism and touched many of controversial topics of the time through symbolism. Dorothy’s Slippers were silver to represent using silver to back the US treasury at the time, and the yellow brick road was gold to represent how the nation used gold as its national backing standard.
The yellow brick road seemed like the proper answer to all of Dorothy’s problems, but at the end of the day, it was her silver slippers that held salvation all along. Baum felt that if the united states switched to silver to back its national currency, it would resolve many of the US’s then-current economic troubles. There are also many symbolic connections between the books cast of characters and stereotyped peoples of the time. For example, the Tin man represented factory workers, the scarecrow represented farmers, and the cowardly Lion represented a politician at the time (cant remember who). I believe that the movie changed a good deal of things, to not only be more visually and emotional appealing, but to make the story more timeless.”
End of Answer.
My comment there makes the point that Baum makes the dog Toto more insightful and intelligent than any of the human-like characters (Talking Cowardly Lion, Scarecrow and Tin Man) representing the US population. I hope you appreciate Baum’s gently biting, wry sense of irony and humor. I am fairly sure at least ioan will!
/it-all-depends-on-your-values/#comment-525876
… let us focus on the flight path of MH17 and be aware of the air corridor used by the previous ten aircraft.
https://youtu.be/YFlGLqiDogA?t=288
Yes, Pavel!
And ALSO the quite likely possibility that the very same paint in 7s on both sides of the aircraft is the SAME paint originally sprayed onto flight 370.
“17” was created in Diego Garcia, so the intriguing theory goes (my theory, but I am sure many others figured this all out years ago…so I don’t claim it, by any means, many others being “Johnny on the Spot” much earlier than I…OR someone leading many down such a rabbit hole…….) by removing the 3 and the 0 and painting a fresh 1 in front of the 7….. and Presto: Malaysian Flight 17 ready for False Flag Mass Brainwashing Duty, In Service of The Masters of Discourse.
There are a few itty bitty slight details of How You Get The Responsible Management of Malaysian Airways to abide by the Old Switcheroo (Deep State Agent in Place??? on the Inside???) and other matters that some persons more qualified than I might take a stab at……but check this out:
https://youtu.be/x2RMqViKohg
I am not staking MY life on the absolute certainty of ANY of the details, but putting this out as a distinct possibility that “kills two birds (aircraft…..M370 + M17) with 1 stone” that should be retained as a possibility awaiting proof of probability….then just perhaps, rock hard certainty ….OR the opposite: disproof in time.
This does not seem the least bit flakey to me, YET..and if true I think the Government of Malaysia Already Knows All of This, as my quote from Ben Fulford asserts, in the last Cafe.
/moveable-feast-cafe-2018-05-21/#comment-525217
And so do a lot of other informed and influential people around the world, probably already know much, much more detail than any of us here have run across 1% of.
But a Tug of War for the Distracted Mind of the Public, and Who Wins That Tug of War Is Part of The Resistance to the Empire…..and all the hand wringing angst is unwarranted about the new pathetic propaganda push on MH 17…….IMHO …..when people like you and I and countless others have so many pieces falling into our laps….er laptops…..without much effort at all!
The dam may be about to break in consciousness terms. And that NEVER means a voting majority. It means a critical mass of more informed minority, such as the people who visit this site and others like it, and what radiates out to people they know directly……and then filters out to SOME of the masses….but enough to break the formerly virtually automatic mind control ….that one very fine day….just can’t do what it used to do,….. any longer.
But more interesting to me than all these details (one literally supposedly pulled out of —–I assume the crack…. in one IT qualified passenger’s butt…..) is the methodology of Acacia’s rejection of these things…..on the basis……apparently of……mental fatigue…….followed up with mere assertion, gossip, with no links, no documentation, no real argument….just assertion….:
Acacia on May 25, 2018 · at 5:57 am EST/EDT
“Whew. Too complicated. Not credible.
The iPhone photo has been debunked, I think, and the semiconductor patent is nothing worth killing two hundred people for.”
Now listen to what I am saying, Acacia: You might be right!
But is your METHOD of mere assertion right?
Does IT suffice to discard the hypothesis put forward by persons who labored to provide a lot more leads, a ton more than you have succeeded in “debunking” by just the use of the WORD “debunked” as though that word without disproof has magical nominalist powers to do the job, just by being uttered or typed……with no more than that required??
Ummm??? Seriously!!!
Could be that you are right! I admit that possibility.
However, what about your methodology??? I can’t rate it very highly. Show us!
Debunked by WHO??
Using what proof?
Available Where?
You’ve had cogent comments in the past.
But do you see that your “debunked” comments are way over on the Extremely Weak side of available choices of methodology………as though the comfortable choice of not wanting to strain your own brain (or put anyone else’s brain to ANY strenuous work) clearly outweighs any possible benefit to bearing down and concentrating on such matters long enough to discard them……based on rigorous method (as opposed to gossipy assertion) because “WHEW!” that would just clearly be “too much work”, “too complicated” , and “clearly not worth the strain.”
Wow! LOL.
I will applaud your proof when it is forthcoming. Out with it!!
@ Bro
You are right. Just asserting is not enough.
Some of the claims sound credible to me, but some do not.
Was MH370 diverted, possibly by remote control? Did it land somewhere? Were the passengers killed or taken hostage? I’m willing to entertain those claims.
Regarding the photo allegedly from Philip Wood, here’s my reasoning…
(1) Since the image is almost completely black, the claim that it was sent from Diego Garcia rests on the circumstantial evidence of the EXIF data attached to the photo. A significant problem here is that is it very simple to replace EXIF data. There are a number of apps that will help you do it. The GPS co-ords — everything can be replaced/faked very easily. Basically, there is no way to validate that the EXIF data is legit.
(2) The photo was uploaded to 4chan /pol/. The source is here: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/27834494/#27834494
Why 4chan? And think about what we are being asked to believe here. An IBM employee is supposedly being held hostage but somehow he hides an iPhone in his a** for eleven days and his captors don’t notice. Then he gets Internet access. He’s at a black site, a prison, but he just logs into their WiFi? Next, does he quickly send an e-mail and image to a bunch of people on his address list, or does he open up a web browser, head over to 4chan, somehow rename the file from the iOS default (e.g., “IMG_1234.JPG”) to “photo.jpg” (can somebody tell me how that is even possible on iOS?) and then upload it to 4chan?
You can read the discussion in the 4chan thread and decide for yourself if this seems credible.
(3) There are significant inconsistencies in the jpeg and the EXIF data. It seems to me that the data was faked poorly. Don’t just take my word for it. You can see and examine the EXIF data yourself, using this tool:
http://exif.regex.info/exif.cgi
Enter the following URL for the original image, posted on 4chan:
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1395/19/1395192158752.jpg
For example, I happen to have many photos in my possession that were taken with an iPhone 5 (I used to own one). Comparing the EXIF data, I note the following…
(3.1) EXIF for photos from my iPhone 5 say “Lens: 4.1 mm”, while EXIF from the black photo says: “Lens: iPhone 5 back camera 4.12mm f/2.4 Shot at 4.1 mm”. Which one do you believe? The Lens data that has one parameter for the focal length of the lens, or the Lens data that includes everything, including two different inconsistent focal lengths? It looks to me like the black photo’s EXIF was touched up by a sloppy cut and paste job.
(3.2) EXIF data from my iPhone says: “File: 3,264 × 2,448 JPEG (8.0 megapixels) 2,639,250 bytes (2.5 megabytes)”, while EXIF from the black photo says: “240 × 320 JPEG 13,590 bytes (13 kilobytes)”. You can easily verify on the Internet that an iPhone 5 has an 8-megapixel rear camera with a 3,264 × 2,448 resolution sensor. So, how did the black photo come out at 240 x 320 pixels? The resolution is wrong. You can check for yourself. There’s no way to select this resolution with an iPhone 5, though of course it could be changed with Photoshop or GIMP, but then we enter the realm of a faked photo.
I could go on about further inconsistencies in the EXIF, but I think you get the idea.
Next, I agree with Paul (above) that this type of plane doesn’t just go missing. As he points out, the engine systems are in satellite contact with the vendor in the UK. Moreover, modern airplanes have transponders, or ADS-B, to announce themselves to ground control. Somebody knew something about at least the first leg of the flight.
Let’s assume that MH370 was diverted and flown to Diego Garcia. The passengers were taken hostage. The transponders were disabled. The engine status systems were also disabled.
From there, the theory being advanced is that the plane was flown from the Indian Ocean to Florida, where it landed without a transponder. A 777 would have to also land somewhere else en route to Florida, because from the Indian Ocean that distance is beyond the range of a Boeing 777. From there, it was supposedly flown to Holland to be used in a failed terrorist attack. The article claims it then landed at a “secret place in Europe” but the evidence provided to support this claim — an article from Zerohedge — clearly says the plane landed in Frankfurt.
Again, think about what we being asked to believe here: a 777 is flying around the world without a transponder, avoiding every civil aviation radar system. Nobody notices it and nobody asks questions when a 777 with its transponder disabled lands in Florida, and then again en route from Florida to Holland? Finally, after a pair of Dutch fighter jets scare it away, the same 777 with no transponder lands at Frankfurt — one of the busiest air spaces in Europe — and nobody asks any questions? Or, some ATC staff notice and do ask questions, but (((they))) are always conveniently right there in every ATC center from Florida to Holland to Frankfurt to hush things up?
I find this chain of claims very hard to believe. The mental gymnastics the author goes through to connect MH370 with MH17 and to say they are the same plane… dunno… it just seems to strain credibility to me.
As for the semiconductor patent that was another putative motivation… my dismissal of its significance is based upon some familiarity with the industry, as well as the design and manufacture of integrated circuits. I would prefer to not cite papers here or go into details about visits to factories where chips are produced, but even a little decoding of the patent indicates that it is essentially about optimizing the number of chips (dies) that can be obtained from a single wafer of silicon. The title of the patent announces this clearly enough. It’s about getting more chips out of a wafer. It’s not some new world-altering technology like AI or robotics. It’s an optimization of an industrial process to do something a little better.
The breathless importance ascribed to this patent in the aforementioned theory — which is, btw, based upon no analysis — and all the scary-sounding stuff about the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the Vatican, the eye in the pyramid, etc., strikes me as totally blown out of proportion.
Imagine that FedEx filed a patent about a way to pack more cardboard boxes into a delivery truck — that’s pretty much what we’re talking about here. And then… (((they))) disappeared the 777 carrying the guys who signed the patent so that… what… the Vatican could get control of the sooper-secret box-packing trick and compete with FedEx? Again, to me this just sounds totally overblown and more than slightly absurd.
Is the photo from Diego Garcia legit? Was the plane flying all around the world unnoticed? Does the patent matter? I am not persuaded by those claims.
I would say: scratch these off the list and take it from there.
The sources for the article include ‘humansarefree’, ‘beforeitsnews’, 21st Century Wire’-all of them pretty much unreliable at best, and – wittingly, or unwittingly – disinformation peddlers.
For that reason alone I have would not take this particular conspiracy theory seriously,) (assuming that I ever did. I haven’t.)
Like you say Acacia, it strains credulity too far, not least the logistics and the motivation.
Bringing down the MH-17 had a Geopolitical purpose, and there is a lot of information on the incident from believable sources (not the official narrative obviously).
One conspiracy theory (outside of the obvious geopolitics) is that the group of leading AIDS specialists on the MH-17 were deliberately targeted: that there was no mention of them discredits this conspiracy theory even further.
And how to explain the local eye witness accounts? (Remember Lev?)
The order for the shoot-down came from Ukraine Minister of the Interior according to Carlos.
If that agency wasn’t /isn’t under the control of the CIA, I’m Kim Kardashian.
Speaking of Footwear, Will You Walk Or Fly Home? And how will you get around, once you’re there?
“I got shoes, you got shoes, all a’ God’s chillun got shoes” the most beautiful version I could find is:
https://youtu.be/b2pjdAFLsWw
I always heard one line as “Everybody’s talkin’ ’bout heb’n an’ goin’ there,……..heb’n, heb’n, heb’n”
and that’s what I hear in the above version………………but “you learn something new every day”, and to my astonished delight, there’s a more original version with a LOT more bite……
At first I thought, “What a misprint!”
When I saw “Everybody talkin’ ’bout heb’n AIN’T goin’ there heb’n. heb’n, heb’n”
But this version makes it clear that is NO misprint:
https://youtu.be/EYfnGTnnobs
The man introducing the song: “The Hypocrisy of a Slave Owner Who CLAIMS to be a Christian is affirmed in the lyrics.”
Wow. Now THAT’s Some Spirit of Resistance With Some Bite, In Defiance of Evil!
We lost one of great musicians guitarist, Phil Emmanuel this week.
Saker likes the guitar… so here is a treat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdmY3bCvY0U
Brothers, Tommy and Phil giving a clinic in France in 2001. They play “Guitar Boogie” and demonstrate the importance of listening to each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj3nJCTFtdg
… take a look at this …
Russia Today anchor Abby Martin speaks out against Russian invasion of Crimea 3/3/2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs
(I wonder what she thinks now, with hindsight)
Germans now getting the sanctions treatment from Saudi Barbaria :
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-25/saudis-halt-orders-german-companies-crown-prince-deeply-offended
So here is how the US is going to invade Venezuela – they are making Colombia a member of NATO and arming them to act as their proxy against Maduro:
Juan Manuel Santos
✔
@JuanManSantos
Y otra gran noticia. La próxima semana formalizaremos el ingreso de Colombia a la OTAN, @NATO, en la categoría de socio global. Seremos el único país de Latinoamérica con este privilegio.
A link to the news about Colombia becoming an eager slave of the Empire.
““We are getting into the big leagues. We will be measured, compared and evaluated with the best,” Santos said.”
Yeah.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/colombia-latest-nation-to-join-nato/
I met a Colombian couple on a flight from South America back to LA…..just a few months after Maidan and the Crimea Referendum.
Tried to engage them in a discussion of World Events.Crimea came up.
100% Empire MSM dupes, ALL THE WAY!
How the slaves, dearly love their chains……and pine for more, heavier ones shielding their craniums from Any Responsibility to Resist Evil.
Pathetic.
In some places, such as Indonesia, where I see the same thing, I think it is sheer terror at being caught on the wrong side of a political divide. They may or may not be the dupes they make themselves out to be. “The tanner takes more skins of foxes than asses.” Ambrose Bierce
Maybe they felt that strangers on plane might not be the best people to trust. I too adopt such lies in public, it depends…
Look out Harley and BMW… https://www.facebook.com/RussianMachinery/photos/a.1736752476367406.1073741973.136326356410034/1736754106367243/?type=3&theater
Monster bike to go with new limo…
Discussion with Comrade P about this and the cars..
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/57486
Me myself, I see bike has double disk laced front wheel and is liquid cooled (I believe). I would estimate that stripped down it’d be fast, but with the fairings in place, faster yet.
VVP say it here “better”…
quote Vladimir Putin: Will you keep working on it?
Sergei Chemezov: Yes, certainly. It has been through basically all the tests, there is not much left to be done. It is going to be a beautiful motorcycle, every bit as good as those made by western manufacturers.
Vladimir Putin: It should be better.
Sergei Chemezov: It will be. We will work to make it better.
If Empire “sanctions” this bike, then we may understand that Harley is wearing brown pants over the fact.
I
“Look out Harley and BMW”
Richard Thompson – 1952 Vincent Black Lightning
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kJdrfzjAg#
Says Red Molly, to James, “Well that’s a fine motorbike.
A girl could feel special on any such like.”
Says James, to Red Molly, “My hat’s off to you.
It’s a Vincent Black Lightning, 1952.
And I’ve seen you on the corners and cafes, it seems.
Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme.”
And he pulled her on behind,
And down to Boxhill,
They’d Ride.
Says James, to Red Molly, “Here’s a ring for your right hand.
But I’ll tell you in earnest I’m a dangerous man;
For I’ve fought with the law since I was seventeen.
I’ve robbed many a man to get my Vincent machine.
And now I’m twenty-one years, I might make twenty-two.
And I don’t mind dyin’ but for the love of you.
But if fate should break my stride, then I’ll give you my Vincent, To Ride.”
“Come down Red Molly, ” called Sargent McQuade.
“For they’ve taken young James Aidee for Armed Robbery.
Shotgun blast hit his chest, left nothing inside.
Oh, come down, Red Molly, to his dying bedside.”
When she came to the hospital, there wasn’t much left.
He was runnin’ out of road. He was runnin’ out of breath.
But he smiled, to see her cry.
And said, “I’ll give you my Vincent.
To Ride.”
Said James, “In my opinion, there’s nothing in this world
Beats a ’52 Vincent and a Redheaded girl.
Now Nortons and Indians and Greavses won’t do.
Oh, they don’t have a Soul like a Vincent ’52.”
Well he reached for her hand and he slipped her the keys.
He said, “I’ve got no further use…for these.
I see Angels on Ariels in leather and chrome,
Swoopin’ down from Heaven to carry me home.”
And he gave her one last kiss and died.
And he gave her his Vincent.
To Ride.
Soviet Movie Time … with a film to have you laughing and smiling.
Gals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CYY8EM5xYE&list=PLN-OqwyTMPAxs2ZMXxdORqqFWkNOxqzZN&index=15
(must be watched attentively with passion)
I greatly enjoy Russian (and Soviet period) movies. Maybe it’s not that they are great, but the stuff from Hollywood is mostly terrible.
Paul often suggests good stuff. Thanks Paul.
One I like is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IZc_0Q20BY (Poor Liz)
Essentially a Russian expat second generation canuk finds home…
… good to remember this “comedy” and here is a best part which leads to a live performance.
https://youtu.be/8IZc_0Q20BY?t=3195
(hopefully will get others interested)
‘We’re off to see the wizard
The wonderful wizard of Oz
Because because because… ‘ ;
Dorothy’s shoes fitted her feet
But Cinderella golden slippers
Though perfectly fitting her own
Had evil sisters forcing a foot
Into a shoe too small and fine
Blood spilled from the shoes
Upon the floor- oh – that all saw !
Never, never force your foot
Into the slipper whose rightful owner
Has been gang mobbed into silence,
For these slippers are gifts of God
For perfect matches made in heaven.
Who would have expected such insights from a bankster?
:-)
To avoid shirking my crypto assignment entirely, I post this fellow from Carlsbad, California……. Clay Albright I think his name is:
https://youtu.be/VTZmQ9XbSG4
EOS: The WORLD Reserve Currency
I love people who do not hesitate to go “over the top” with hyperbole.
Waiter, in my 3/4 full cup of crypto-coffee, could you please add a half cup of EOS Cream???
Well, Clay does pull back from that…..a little….saying “blockchain reserve currency” ……but in that realm he IS one of the guys with enough savvy to ask questions of Dan Larimer directly, evidently.
Or is Clay someone else in Federal Web Services?
https://youtu.be/Xfv4jdyxdrw
Lining up sources.
Notice on Federal Web Services website our English EOS friend Kyle’s channel The Awakenment
This DOES have something to do with the Who Are The White Hats? theme…..but I will have to expound on that later….busy day in the field today…..45 minutes left before I take off out of here…..
Oh, Acacia and M370 M17 sleuths…….here is a bit more on the I-phone GPS coordinates from Diego Garcia by the IBM trained specialist that says he got it out to the world…..after hiding it in his butt crack so it would not be confiscated as he sat in the toilet in the plane in a special hangar on Diego Garcia where the Whole Switcheroo…..was underway….and in his own way, he resisted it….in the only way he knew how……he says…and this you tuber calls out the guy Acacia evidently listened to ………
https://youtu.be/nbu5pCAnqYs
Who are the White Hats??
This may take more than a few minutes to sort out. LOL.
From the cyrpto-ops corner
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dark-journalist-catherine-austin-fitts-black-budget-bitcoin-and-mind-control/
Two very savvy ladies Lynette Zang and Caatherine Austin Fitts with strong economic backgrounds and very well informed on deep state activities are calling out ‘crypto-ops”
Worth considering their wisdom……
k
kinterra, I am a Fitts groupie and really follow her on economics and have the greatest respect for her. What she is saying about Bitcoin, is absolutely correct and we have in fact see this play out in the past 4 years. Yet, in depth in the technology, she has many gaps and does not want to hear one thing about her own gaps. Still, I respect her and understand that Bitcoin itself became an Op. I personally called it in my own community years ago, and could point out the ops manual at that time already. I do not use Bitcoin for this reason, but I use other cryptos.
Three things but all of this is a big discussion in itself:
– if one bases your assessment of everything on fear of the control op, (to use Catherine language), one will really not get out of your front door. She talks about the very intelligent software developers, but she gives them no credit for actually knowing what is an op, and what not. Her thinking on this is does not reflect the crypto community – the real community, the technical community, the economic community and the sovereignty community that have thought these things through, and understand them as well if not better than Catherine.
. Catherine talks about being ‘in compliance’. Clever crypto people are in compliance with what they have to be in a landscape of shifting compliance regulations because the controllers do not understand in general what a crypto is and make control measures that are laughable. The other part of our work is being resistant to the economic system – with knowledge. She talks about for example the registration on the Ethereum blockchain of her business name and she could not accept the legals there. Well, I wonder if she has ever looked at the legals on owning (or not owning) her own domain name as one example? We are in a rent-seeking world. So, even though I have the greatest respect for her, her understanding is just lacking. Does she really think the crypto community is unaware that the control system will take their part? Of course they will – and we have seen it and I even wrote about it some months ago. The controllers get their cryptos by stealing them.
. Building the train tracks of our own control? We are today controlled by the financial system. We have all these really clever people – does Fitts really think there is nobody else out there that can build an alternative track? She cannot get it into her thinking that we may be building the train tracks of our own sovereignty and we can do it again and again, until we are sovereign economically.
So, again, I respect her enormously but I wish she would sit down with someone with in depth real cryptocurrency knowledge. One conversation with someone like Vitalik Buterin, or say Rick Falkvinge on the side of sovereignty, or Andreas Antonopoulis or I can give her a list of people that has the kind of indepth understanding that she lacks. Nobody in cryptocurrencies expect to truly unseat the controllers of the op in one fell swoop, but the real knowledge here understand that we are, instead of on a train track, on a river and more and more control of the river will move to a sovereign system. She has come a long way from when she said the controllers built Bitcoin .. she had to step back from that for one. On the cryptocurrency issue, I really find Catherine as cautious about controllers and control ops as what one has to be, but also peddling fear porn because of lack of vision in this space, and lack of in-depth knowledge. It is as if nothing can lift her outside of the prevailing system and come hell or high water, she will use the prevailing system and try and make that better and more honest. Well, good luck to her in this quest. I personally do not see it. Again, I have the greatest respect for Catherine but in this space, our opinions differ.
kinterra, I will watch this later, when time permits.
I’ve seen Dark Journalist videos before and the secret space program stuff he and Catherine Fitts “airdrop” to us early in this video (for a month from now….) is now on my radar.
Notice she does not discuss this (space) when interviewing Saker….probably on this basis of both agreeing to not discuss that which they have made clear they either don’t want to discuss, or simply haven’t had the time to research with any confidence…..so, it’s not worth discussing ala the attendant risk of association with some guy like Robert David Steele….who does “go there” ….like Buzz Lightyear…..”To Infinity and Beyond!” ….(and into re-incarnation according to Amranyth….making outrageous, laughable, absurd claims that obviously discredit everything else he has ever said or done…….sidenote: RDS feigns a lot of humility, but the Ever-present Ego….THE ENEMY……exists in all of us imperfect beings….him included….LOL) that causes a huge number of level headed people to cross him ….or any other reckless character like him…. entirely off their list of persons they’d be caught dead considering ANY intput from…….lest the ridicule rub off on them, by association, in any way.
But space is a big deal to Catherine Austin Fitts and she adapts and wants her audience to adapt to the notion that the All-powerful Elites WILL take earthbound civilization galactic….soon….Done Deal!
Just as Lynette Zang (who has a career brokering precious metals to persons who want to opt out of Wall Street investment options) uses the old (late 1980’s ???) London Economist cover of a Phoenix Rising from the ashes of dead currencies to warn that IT (Bitcoin, crypto in general, as an evolution in money IS ALL a Plot to “Chip Us All”….for ZERO Financial Privacy as a stepping stone to implanting other chips that will take over our very thoughts and harness us (Ala The Matrix Movie) to one giant Slave Labor Planet.Energy Extraction Factory..To Feed (The Extraterrestrial???? LOL ) Elites OUR Life Energy…..which “they” need a virtually infinite supply of ….To Survive!!…The Poor Psychopaths! Truly Cosmic Pathos!
But many opponents of the New World Order Empire (like our Amarynth here) insist Lynette is out of her league, beset with irrational fears of the unknown, and simply incompetent, technically …..untrained less than novice in the good and bad that computer coding can do now and might soon do in the near and, somewhat later, far future…….. in all her fearmongering about Masters of the Universe Going For Total Control Over The Rest of Us…….using Bitcoin!
That’s a pretty wide divide, no?? Something of a slight disagreement. LOL
More on all of this later. But look how people’s background, career, subscriber and client lists and requirement to keep their operation’s “lights on”, “pay the bills” (and even grow!) affects their judgment….nearly 100% on nearly everything ….almost ALL of the time!
I agree with Pavel (Paul) on MH 370 and 17 amateur sleuthing and Lisa in her article Who Are the White Hats, when Lisa says they are unlike us (in that they have capacities to affect change we lack…).
We don’t need to “worry” about everything. Most people are in NO position to affect much of anything anyway, unless their intellect and capacity to use it to affect history is magnified by a lifetime of work a million or a billion times more, in such capacity, than it exists at the present moment.
But “The Longest Journey Starts With A Single Step”….and the Lover of Truth Has An Obligation ….not to “worry” but to get started thinking better, and better and better! At least as an exercise to improve the Aggregate Intelligence and Consciousnes of the Human Race….instead of Adding to Aggregate Stupefaction and Unconsciousness……..much less psychopathy by being Bound By Fears and Hesitations
More Freedom. More Love.
It could be nice to have a lot of subscribers and clients. Or they could be a kind of anchor, that holds you back and restricts you……..
If you or I don’t have a blog’s reputation to “worry” about or a list of subscribers to keep from unsubscribing (Fiitts) or a bunch of current clients and prospective future clients that might reduce our fees by diversifying into a bit of Crypto if we don’t do something!…..(Zang) aren’t we much freer to seek the truth of many, many important and related matters?
I think so. We have nothing, or at least, much, much less to lose. So have fun!! Get started! Keep going!
The World Is Our Oyster!
Oh boy! Bro and I will make people’s eyes glaze over. Of course for some of us this cryptocurrency stuff is important and we can discuss it till the cows come home. Tomorrow is the day that we eventually and formally open saker.community. I would suggest that we take the long debating discussions over there to the forum, and bring back to here in the Cafe, shorter educational pieces, as a community ‘service’, if you like. Those that are interested may always hop over and see the whole discussion.
My eyes glaze over with interest and delight, on the whole picture, that has such broad human ramifications !
Excellent expose of the faux left in France, and the role the faux ‘anti – fascists play in the farce : https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/25/the-death-of-free-speech-in-france/
From “Uriel” to Hafiz: a poem in verse inspired by the saying “a true lover is swayed neither by heaven or hell.” I call it
Hungry Man Blues
People just don’t know babe
No people just don’t know
How deep is hell
And how I love you so.
You can be cruel in your way
Your (w)hips they bite so deep
But your lash keeps me on the track
My heart is yours to keep.
In the end I eat your hell
I have a fiery heart
Just let me get my teeth in you
And let the loving start!
You know I mean no disrespect
I worship you my friend
The fire of my house
Burns without end!
You’re the one Babe
The only One for me
Living in hell for you Babe
Is heav’n not misery!
(I’m hungry, I need a bite, Starving Babe, just need to get my teeth in You, fade….)
“From “Uriel” to Hafiz: a poem in verse inspired by the saying “a true lover is swayed neither by heaven or hell.”
Do you know any more of this saying?
It reminds me of Shakespeares’
“Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments,
Love is not love when it alteration finds
‘Or bends with the remover to remove
Oh no, it is an ever fixed mark….”
Sonnet No. 116.
I like your “saying” and would be interested to know more of it.
Many thanks.
Hi Isabella. A few thoughts on the saying, “a true lover is swayed neither by heaven or hell”, if I may. Different interpretions of love aside, it must be noted that as far as we humans are concerned there are two polarities to love. A human, predominantly emotional or warm love, and a more detached or cooler, divine love. The first is characterised by endless declarations of ever-lasting fidelity to the object of one’s love, especially while that love is running “hot”, however, the moment that conditions change we are apt to declare, “guess I was mistaken, perhaps this wasnt ‘true love’ after all”. In this case, we may have mistaken love for karma, ie; once the conditions change, so does the nature of the love.
Divine love is different. We all originate from an “Ocean of Love and Mercy”, and its our destiny to one day return, however as a responsible Being who has earned Its place in the Divine Order. To do that, countless lifetimes are necessary in order to become a “magnet of love”. God loves all of life, not necessarily because we deserve it, but because that is IT’s nature. So, in life, we are given freedom to experience. Experience has a price of course. The upshot of it all, is that we learn to love. To be bearers of (non-judgemental) detached love, or charity, to all of life. We exist because God loves us. That simple.
Someone who truly loves knows that love is all there is, indeed, love is the core of Being. All else is passing. Heaven and hell are states of consciousness first and foremost. So, someone who is swayed by neither, is living what he/she knows, ie; that love is greater than both heaven and hell, and he/she will not be swayed by either, but will remain true to his/her own heart. The quote from Shakespeare is along this same line, I believe. “The marriage of true minds” being the meeting of states of consciousness that share the same understanding. The law is ‘like attracts like’. It is ego, that finds fault. Ego that bemoans trifles. Imposes conditions etc. The ever fixed mark, being the nature of divine or true love.
To elaborate a touch more ( apologies I get carried away ) on what Ive written above, I’ll share a few poems. The first illustrates the loss of human love. Its the edited lyric of a song of mine. The second two point to divine love, and are from Rumi. Once again, C. Barks translations from “Soul Fury”.
“Where Does Love Go?”
Fell through a crack in the sky it seems,
Shed one last tear for all our dreams.
Blinded by a golden sun,
Blackened by a noon-day gun.
Awoke in a different room it seems,
Different light, different dreams.
But all light is pain
And sunshine, sunshine is rain…
Can you tell me, can you tell me
Where does love go?
And why does the eagle smile
And the dove die down below?
Can you tell me…where does,
Where does love go?
Even in hell, if you are
with me I would not want
to leave.
And if I should find myself in heaven
without you, those wide fields
would be confining to my
breathing heart.
Love is an ocean
without a floor, or an
edge, a drop suspended with
all Souls drowning in it.
Love is among the most
ancient secrets, containing
one small bit of hope.
Hi Dimitar,
I’m sorry I took so long to get back to you. I hope you do get to come and see that I did.
I think re what is “Love” we agree on some points, but not on others.
I don’t believe that there is any “polarity” in Love. Although certainly the Universe is, as Schwaller de Lubicz explained and the Ancient Egyptians did also, dualised in all major aspects, that is not Love itself. The point of the dualised Universe is that it is complementary, not opposing, in it’s forces. Like the Yin and Yang, each needs the other to be fully balanced.
Love is a Force, in fact The Force. The force that makes the Universe and everything in it. As the Oracles at Delphi said, “there is a flame which is beyond the Heavens, but is everywhere and in everything. All things are in it, and it is in all things. This is the Mind of God, God perfected”. It is also perfect Love. It makes us, and is a Force actually detected now by the most sensitive of instruments. The part that is polarised is, not Love, but us. IN humans, Love is polarised by the sexualisation of life. Male and Female Principles, which are complementary to each other. This duality is, of all the dualities, the strongest, most powerful, for it gives life. Not only the reproductive principle, but even when the two loves are not reproducing physically, they are causing a growing of the energies such that they give back to the Divine Matrix we are a part of – they feed the life of the world with the energy their loving causes.
Regarding the poem of “where does Love go” Love never dies, nor goes away, it is we who change. Often our early loves are part of our growth, of our learning who and what it is we truly love. And of course, we make mistakes. We continue to grow and two may grow apart as their paths diverge. It is said we love truly 3 times in our lives – apart from those lucky enough to find their “true love” early in life. The first two are “learning curve” loves, the last the one that really matters.
I agree, that the purest love occurs between “like drawn to like”, where the values, integrities, are shared because the vibrations are almost identical, between the two. And this love, certainly, is not swayed “by heaven or hell”. I think we would all say to that particular “one” person – “I will walk into hell beside you, face down demons with you, and count it an honour”.
Hi Isabella. Thanks for your reply. I’d say we’re closer in our understanding of what love is than not, since at issue as always, is the question of semantics. First and foremost, you’re exactly right, there is no polarity to love of itself, since this is the great law of life. We exist because God loves us, and IT’s great gift to us is life, or consciousness, in order to learn to give and receive love. The stability within the Godhead, that which Ive referred to as the Ocean of Love and Mercy is due to this principle of unity or oneness, but at a certain point in God’s universes, ( which I think of as the “lower worlds” since they are subject to dynamic change and eventual destruction ) this unity is simulated by the interchange between opposites, ie; yin and yang, feminine and masculine and so on.
So the polarity I’m referring to is directly related to our perception and experience of love, which of course we experience as extremes due to the intensity of emotion and so on. We eventually move to a more detached experience due to the balancing of the negative and positive within us, that which Buddha called the “Middle Path”. This is the crucial element in the manifestation of all phenomena, on whatever scale and in whatever world it may take place. Its also crucial to us as individuals in achieving spiritual freedom. The extremes serve to refine us, as we get exactly that which we’ve earned, and we’re eventually able to become more effective vehicles for love. The wonderful thing about the law of love is that it is inclusive. All spiritual laws spring out of the law of love. It is at the heart of our very being and is able to overcome even death. Best, D.
It is a paraphrase and extreme shortening of this quote from “the Bab”:
“Worship thou God in such wise that if thy worship lead thee to the fire, no alteration in thine adoration would be produced, and so likewise if thy recompense should be paradise.Thus and thus alone should be the worship which befitteth the one True God. Shouldst thou worship Him because of fear, this would be unseemly in the sanctified Court of His presence, and could not be regarded as an act by thee dedicated to the Oneness of His Being. Or if thy gaze should be on paradise, amd thou shouldst worship Him while cherishing such a hope, thou wouldst make God’s creation a partner with Him, notwithstanding the fact that paradise is desired by men.
Fire and paradise both bow down and prostrate themselves before God. That which is worthy of His Essence is to worship Him for His sake, without fear of fire, or hope of paradise.”
And as I said in the last cafe: I like Rumi, I LOVE Hafiz.
Is this Hafiz, Last True Believer?
Hafiz was a poet in Persia , I think in Isfahan, a bit after Rumi. The Bab was a merchant in Persia, born in 1819 who arose in Isfahan, I think, saying he was “the promised one of god.” Eventually getting shot. And of course “the promised one of god” to those with seeing eyes and hearing ears. It’s just that I always think of Hafiz as being more “in love with god.” Than Rumi.
Lasttruebeliever, I sent a “thankyou” to you for your response and elucidation to me – it didn’t make it into print. No idea why. So again, I’d like to say thank you.
I should look into Rumi. I think he is the one Greg Bradden said wrote “Beyond right and wrong, good and bad, there is a field. I will meet you there”.
I have only explored Khalil Gibran of the Persian poets and some Omar Kayyam, a long time ago.
“You can be cruel in your way
Your (w)hips they bite so deep
But your lash keeps me on the track
My heart is yours to keep.”
and in the later hours
or dreams and later in life
your growing holes in mind
are cared by patience kind
I like that “growing holes in mind”: like the holes developing in senior’s brains such as ourselves, and : “are cared by patience kind” : bringing to mind piers plowman’s personification of the virtue of patience. Perhaps you had in mind our more mundane partners? Peace.
Looks like “phillip cross” has been id’ed.
War on the left: Targets of relentless Wikipedia editor Philip Cross report intriguing patterns
https://www.rt.com/uk/427791-cross-kamm-wikipedia-edit/
“Pundits like George Galloway, academic Tim Hayward, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, and even the former political editor of The Guardian, Michael White, have fallen in the ‘cross’-hairs. Ex-UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray has also been targeted.
“Six times I have personally had hostile edits to my Wikipedia page by ‘Philip Cross’ made in precise conjunction with attacks on me by Kamm, either on Twitter, in a Times editorial or in Prospect magazine,” Murray writes.
“Altogether ‘Philip Cross’ has made 275 edits to my Wikipedia page. These include calling my wife a stripper, deleting my photo, removing my reply to attacks made on me by Kamm and Harding among others, and deleting my refusal of all honours while a British diplomat.”
Hahaha on 6 June last year I had insignificant Twitter spat with Times journalist Oliver Kamm. Same day the alias Philip Cross edited my insignificant Wikipedia page. What a weirdo! https://t.co/xu48kg4974
— Alex Nunns (@alexnunns) May 24, 2018
US journalist Chris Hedges has also had his page meddled with by Cross – leftist twitter account @Reg_Left_Media highlighted “the matching date re (sic) Kamms only tweets [on Hedges] and Cross’ only editing of Chris Hedges Wiki”.
When RT reached out to the enthusiastic Wikipedia editor he told RT – despite not actually being asked – that “I am not Oliver Kamm”.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/the-philip-cross-affair/#respond
133,612 edits by ‘philipcross’ , it is difficult to believe one person is doing all of it . it may be a group. There are organized groups that try to slant wikepedia in their favor…e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups
” Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups
Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site.
….Yesha is building an information taskforce to engage with new media, by posting to sites such as Facebook and YouTube, and claims to have 12,000 active members, with up to 100 more signing up each month. “It turns out there is quite a thirst for this activity,”
….The organisiers of the Wikipedia courses, are already planning a competition to find the “Best Zionist editor”,
…..on Wikipedia, they believe that there is much work to do.
Take the page on Israel, for a start: “The map of Israel is portrayed without the Golan heights or Judea and Samaria,” said [naftali]Bennett, referring to the annexed Syrian territory and the West Bank area occupied by Israel in 1967.
…”We learned what not to do: don’t jump into deep waters immediately, don’t be argumentative, realise that there is a semi-democratic community out there, realise how not to get yourself banned,” says Yisrael Medad, one of the course participants, from Shiloh.
….One Jerusalem-based Wikipedia editor, who doesn’t want to be named, said that publicising the initiative might not be such a good idea. “Going public in the past has had a bad effect,” she says. “There is a war going on and unfortunately the way to fight it has to be underground.”
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Saker , your input is needed , pls.
US House strips Trump of War Powers on Iran . — https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/25/us-house-passed-amendment-blocking-war-on-iran-story-buried/
robin,
Check out
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr5515
This amendment is very unlikely to make it into the NDAA that is passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law. Explore the above web site for understanding of the “National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2019” (NDAA 2018). They will haggle over this probably until September and then once they have to, they will stop haggling and pass it and it will be signed by the POTUS. If they really wanted this amendment in it, they would wait and sneak it in at the last minute. Somebody’s stuck that into the House (current) version to make some sort of trouble, or maybe just so it can be there for “negotiations.” In any case, I sure am not getting excited about it at this point.
A non-story. Technically, in the USA, only congress has the lawful ability to declare war. That ability was usurped by Bush II and later again by Obama. These were creeping steps on the road to complete fascism that the congress of that time fully approved of.
The congress of today is comprised of most of the same people.
TRUMP WILL DEPLOY RUSSIAN TROOPS TO PURGE U.S. DEEP STATE
“Democrats and the media called the move, “the very definition of treason,” and demanded the President be impeached, but Trump quickly tweeted a denial.”
http://www.satirewire.com/content1/?p=6570
When the girlfriend of Phillip Woods had used up thousands of tissues to dry her eyes on worldwide TV media, while pleading for someone to find Phillip … suddenly information of Phillip’s cellphone message appeared and she disappeared from television … quicker and quieter than a mouse !
The original cellphone photo was on Jim Stone’s computer … his computer was hacked and the photo destroyed. He had an intact copy.
This military operation might concern micro-chip technology or perhaps an excuse to show China who is boss … and who is powerful … or both … information blocked here !
Dots of extrapolated and circumstantial evidence are firmly in place, ready for any impartial court of international law, should that ever occur, but the dead are dead and the dogs bark and the caravans roll on.
The real story is well understood by military people in China, Malaysia and Russia … we should not overly concern ourselves because there is nothing ordinary people can do and disinformation is rife, produces doubt and worry. Most airplane flights are safe.
Partner of missing man on Flight 370 gives emotional plea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALSZjoLcX0
(the miracle did happen … the cellphone message !)
Take a Music Break …
Eurovision entry for Spain in 1973 with remastered audio
Mocedades “Eres Tu” (Remastered Audio) HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naAC37W42ro
… continuing the break …
The Buggles – Video Killed The Radio Star HD (Live 2004)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUgF49Rtg7Q
(remember to watch the Soviet Movie … Девчата … it’s great)
Best quote by Putin from the St Petersburg Economic Forum :
“The situation in the world today is like everyone is seemingly playing football, but by the rules of judo. Some game it is – neither football nor judo. It’s simply chaos.”
Yup. This is what happens when we let psychopaths take-over…
Glad to have some time today to comment here.
As you probably recall, I had serious doubts on whether the Skripals are still alive. Fortunately, Yulia appears to be alright as taken from her first appearance on TV since the Salisbury incident. Maybe the petition to let her speak helped in this regard.
Anyways – now I am really intrigued about what happened.
Just to illustrate how simple the beginnings of this episode could have been it is quite plausible that the Skripals merely suffered seafood poisoning from the mussels they ate prior to collapsing on the park bench. Everything else was improvisation added on by 3 letter agencies to villify Russia -the latter certainly the case in all the other plausible scenarios.
… a Miracle on the Neva River … Soviet Aviation History
1963 TU-124 Neva River Ditching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3hbsYDpeto
Cool:
The only aircarft in History that was brand new, towed to shore by a 70 year old steam tugboat from the late 1800’s…………with all passengers and crew still aboard the airliner…….that workers on the Neva Bridge had to duck…because it lost power 14 seconds earlier at too low an altitude to glide to the Leningrad airport just a few miles away…..
Savona is the desired candidate for economic reform in Italy, and is a fierce euro critic. He calls it a ‘German cage’.
His appointment is currently being blocked by the president.
He recently resigned from the board of this investment fund, presumably to avoid conflict of interests issues should his appointment go ahead :
https://www.euklid.fund/
Does anyone know anything about this funds approach?
It uses block chain technology, but does not trade in bitcoins.
Since there’s much interest in methods of payment here in the café, maybe a few members will be interested in this. Payments Canada, which owns and operates Canada’s core payment systems, is seeking feedback. Details and contact information in this link:
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2018/05/department-of-finance-canada-launches-consultations-on-the-review-of-the-canadian-payments-act.html
Thanks for the lead-in Eimear and Anonymous of Canada.
I’ll take it.
The pace of developments is overwhelming and I am tempted to search for my Dmitri Orlov book “Shrinking the Technosphere” in which he describes the individual human, overwhelmed by non-living techno-developments that take on a life of their own like duckweed starting as a few units of vegetation, choking off every square centimeter of surface area of a small lake a mere handful of short months later, as having no (75% coverage in last 2 days….exponentially accelerating growth…..) survival/sanity/coping recourse but to curl up in the fetal position……and weep!
Such is the work load I have no hope of keeping up with, having failed to post a single thing about the crypto-sphere nor White Headgear in numerous “OPEN” Cafe hours this weekend.
So, I am re-vamping my concept, inspired by the M 370 M17 debate…and for the sake of economic, energy and time efficiency, will attempt to take out 2 “BIRDS”……with one drone (ing) comment.
(Groan…….. in background….)
First off, in ten seconds…. (sorry…time rationing in effect) Savona’s Anti-Hun Vendetta for the Fall of the Roman Empire looks a bit like Centralized Cosa Nostra Revenge on the Berlin Centered Euro-Reich, but my reconnaissance is sketchy at best, and I could be way off.
In terms of Canada as long as they are under the Sovereign Saxe-Gotha ELizabeth or one of her German descendants they seem caught in the same loopy oligarchism.
Now HERE is one of my White Hats:
https://youtu.be/xUNGFZDO8mM
trying to teach the Canadian Senate freedom, but by their dumb questions, I am not sure they will ever be free, as long as the portrait of Elizabeth II hangs in every Canadian Home, keeping Her Subjects Down Through Occultic Powers of Mind Control, her image also on every bit of their paper or metal currency, brainwashing them subliminally and almost constantly.
Andreas’ presentation to the Canadian Senate is short and concise…..the dumb questions last almost 2 hours. That’s why they call it “The Great Work”. Like drilling through miles of cranial concrete…. If it were easy it couldn’t be called “Great”.
Now, here’s another White Crypto Hat, IMHO: https://youtu.be/YKAEv5UnC9U
Listen carefully. This youngster knows his stuff, and makes much of the new crypto-terminology fully intelligible.
Update on Operation Soft Underbelly: Deep State meets its fate?
http://theduran.com/credible-report-alleges-us-relocates-isis-fro
With mud on his hands!!
“Deep River Blues”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcbxsG3OWfA
Enjoy
Kent
Teenage girl tackled by two police officers, punched in the head…. For refusing to give her name when accosted for consuming alcohol underage :
https://www.rt.com/usa/427968-police-punch-girl-beach-video/
Where? US of course.
The irony is that stopping underage drinking is intended to protect their health.
Hard to see how a grown man punching a teenage girl in the head facilitates this.
But little in US culture makes any sense anymore.
America’s down-home tradition of square-dancing… is a ‘tool of white supremacy.
Just so you know.
In case any of you MF’ ers harbour supremacist plans to go clogging off with Adele in the horn-rimmed specs or Elmer in the dungarees…
https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy/amp/
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As one who went through this govno in elementary school, I never understood what that was about. Thanks for posting that link. I have not thought about that nonsense for decades now, but those forced sq dance classes turned me off dancing in general. I remember the crap only being inflicted up to grades 7 or 8, later grades I don’t recall any anal dance requirements.
They did offer another co-ed class in physical ed in high school that I do remember. Fondly. It was swimming. Which just about everybody wanted to sign up for. ;-D
I’m not surprised you were put off.
What kid wants to be a ‘square’?
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A great video by Graham Phillips – the intrepid journalist who put his life on the line for Donbass – now presents Russia in all her glory, to dispel the fears of would be tourists.
https://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/05/27/a-first-hand-guide-to-moscow-for-all-world-cup-visitors-from-graham-phillips-video/
We hear a lot about the abuse US cops mete out to citizens.
But not so much on what ‘ superiors’ do to subordinates.
There is clearly a culture of sadism and degradation throughout the US police system, just as there is in the military:
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-bosses-beat-rookies-dildos-pooped-boots-raped-flashlights/
Drugs and porn addicting surely play a role in these revolting incidents.
Kazakhstan tries to get back $22bn in frozen assets
https://www.rt.com/business/427943-kazakhstan-frozen-assets-us/
Any country with assets in the zionazified-gay colonies will be faced with the same piracy.
… music break …
Sei tara vora rate – Ayub Bachchu ( English subtitle )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPsmqX67SAc
… live performance …
গিটার গুরু আইয়ুব বাচ্চু ও জালালের পাগলামি | Ayub Bachchu & Jalal Live at Naogaon Zilla School 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJKRmnEj5Ko
… if Heaven is a place on Earth … surely it is here …
Pyaar Ki Ek Kahani-Krrish Blu-Ray Song 1080p [HD].mp4 – YouTube.mp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBQmO8n7xAA
For those still interested in the Skripal saga there is a detailed analysis of the scripted English garden party by John Helmer:
http://johnhelmer.net/yulia-skripals-postscript-what-did-she-write-and-what-didnt-she-say-in-the-london-garden-event-plus-the-neurology-evidence/#more-19247
“On the other hand, according to the neurologist, Yulia’s recovery over the eleven weeks since the poisoning in Salisbury on March 4 has been so swift and so sure, this by itself casts doubt over the nature of the poison to which she was exposed”.
You don’t say….. funny that, eh? Madame May & BOJO, are you listening?
… an enchanted heavenly chase …
Dhivara Video full Song HD || Baahubali (Hindi) || Prabhas, Rana, Anushka, Tamannaah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E_pljIlZ_k
Always fly Bollywood AirKing … Indian Airlines
krrish 3 Hrithik Roshan flight or aeroplane action scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QicgJkefm8U
(follow the series for more super action)
No time at this particular moment to review ALL of this interview with Jim Rogers, who moved his family to Singapore and encouraged his daughter to learn Chinese….”because that’s where the future is”.
But I have seen enough to know that it should be fun for others, as well, full of ironies!
https://youtu.be/D4Kk6miiymk
He’s been to North Korea twice, wants to invest there, thinks “The Kid” is doing a great job….
More ironies. Can’t relate to Blockchain, Crypto or even Belt and Road?
Change your perspective. It’s not about you. Or me. Or even “Them”.
It’s about Us. And 75% of Us are “unbanked” and unconnected.
Not just with roads, fiber optic and rail. Unconnected with almost anything.
You haven’t lived in the Third World, and can’t put yourself in their shoes?
Once again, no time to review it all, but I have seen enough to share this, as it may help put you in others’ shoes:
https://youtu.be/cUU88lIx8uQ
Maybe it belongs in the New Saker Community, which, were it to include some of these human beings in it (that’s now feasible!) Would Include A Whole LOT of Us!
But that will take time for me to post there, being a Creature of Habit and Little Time.
Cheers!
I’ve got to get out of here and get something done today. Sometimes there are not enough connections.
Sometimes there may be too many…..LOL!
General attack on Russia: Christoph Hörstel to the situation calendar week 21
You can change the video’s subtitles to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpmuWJ_GVY