Moveable Feast Cafe 2019/10/08 … Open Thread

Funny, world Pamela!

I attended 4th-7th grades in Ecuador..in Spanish of course…and experienced Pro-Cuba (“Cuba Si! Yanqui No!”…was the chant do jour…….) demonstrations of the poor against the government (with some deaths from Army or Police gunfire………we were cautioned to stay away from the 5th floor windows…..and any stray bullets…) around the Bay of Pigs time.

Articles in Time Magazine about Ecuador in that period read like someone reporting on some other planet.

It’s good to know that the News is Fake……….by the time you’re nine!

During college (east Coast…USA) I dreamed of escaping to Australia – New Zealand…….on my own sailboat ….no less……….not returning to South America, while evidently your yearning compass was pointed in almost the opposite direction.

Well, it’s true: The Grass is Greener in Ecuador, It is an extremely fertile land. I once overheard my father observing that all you had to do was plant a stick in the ground……….and it would root…and grow. So famine there is extremely unlikely…but the underdevelopment of such countries and their victimization by the world financial oligarchy ……the IMF ……is vicious and assisted by the Egos of the Vendepatrias (sellers of the Fatherland) Class who have the wherewithall to fly to Miami, NYC, LA or San Francisco and set up their dollar investment and bank accounts………out of Ecuador….refusing “to risk” serious investing there….while being in fear of China doing so!

So, its a stark contrast that I want to end with: China….and the IMF….Hong Kong Demonstrators and Ecuadorian Demonstrators.

Hong Kong……grabbed by force by the British Empire to facilitate the Opium Trade and Looting of China.

And the Alternative to the IMF …the Empire’s Financial Octopus …………represented by OBOR and real development…not looting “loans”:

The Silk Road Lady (reporting on official functions she attended in May and Last month……….in China..) does not discuss small countries here………..but I think she would make very clear the distinction between what you report in Ecuador and what she observes of Empire Desperation…..in pulling their strings in Hong Kong:

Interviewer Harley Schlanger:

“While the Regime Change Coup escalates here in the United States, there is another place where it is clear that the intention is regime change and that’s Hong Kong………..What’s your view of what’s happening there?”

https://youtu.be/P135BcyHxGA?t=454

‘It is a COUP!’ — As Regime Changers Go WILD, a Revolutionary Spirit Sparks Optimism

As usual…the Question IS: Which spark is one of real revolutionary spirit……………and which is that of the Empire Arsonists that want to burn anything and anyone they can’t own…………to the ground??

Discernment of the difference….will make the difference…. for the Future of Mankind…………everywhere.

I have spoken to many here about “what happens to those who cannot work, who beg. Who are deformed, or severely injured”? What does the Government do? The answer always is – “nothing. They’re family help, if they can”. I asked “does the church”? the answer is “Well, a little. Some churches, sometimes? ” Well, I ask, what happens to those with no family. The answer is a shrug and “I dont know. I guess maybe they have some friends”
There are some terrible levels of poverty here Anonymous. I mean dirt floor in the bedroom, a sink to wash in, no hot water, no flush toilet. Go live in Yunguilla Valley, as I have done. Ecuador isn’t all the nice homes you see on main city streets.
My taxi driver pays little in taxes. But he earns little. In a country where the basic minimum wage is US$400 per month, but inflation is rising all the time, that’s not enough to live on.
It’s hardly a socialist paradise, no matter what the tax is, when the poor get little to none of that tax take!!

Hi Kinterra,
I am in Cuenca. I think one could see this coming a little while back. Moreno’s “U” turn on Correa’s policies, his lies regarding Correa, which he could not substantiate, his moves to prevent Correa returning to run against him again these were all very suspicious.
However his abrogation of the sacred right of sanctuary, now called asylum, was the bottom of the barrel. I can’t find words to describe the sort of person who would do this. But it made what was coming inevitable – I was warning Ecuadorian friends of mine of this a few months back.
I am on the outskirts of the Historic Centre, so have managed to avoid danger. But it does hold up much of normal life – I’m trying to find new accommodation, but without transport everything stops.
But my heart is with the strikers. We’ve seen this happen so much in other countries. Someone has to stand up to the bloodsuckers, the vampires running around sucking every country dry they can find. .
It also, for me, calls into question the wisdom of limited terms. If you have a good man, and no-one to take his place, why kick him out for no good reason.? I worry about Russia for the same reason – but I think Putin has been thinking about this for a long time, and hopefully can find a way to avert it.
Stay safe and well and I join with you in prayers for little Ecuador.

Peskov warns Erdo not to harm peace process…Iran moves troops to Turkey border..personally I hope they seal off the whole Turkish Syrian border…Russia urges SDF to negotiate with Damascus….SDF asks USA for no fly zone while it says it will negotiate as a partner of Assad to confront Turkey(SDF desparate to keep their self determination)…. questions whether Turkey has actually started operations and has claimed has done actions to prevent SDF reinforcements arriving………oh dear….

https://southfront.org/independent-decision-not-linked-to-us-withdrawal-sdf-is-once-again-ready-to-negotiate-with-damascus/

Quote : “Actually, the global mean temperature has trended 1 C. degree higher over the last 100 years unaffected by solar cycles. ”

Huh? Read this again …. and you get back to Huh? So, sir Phil, how do you calculate that over the last 100 years and back out solar cycles? And then, if you try to do that, how do you make sense?

Phil, OK, thanks for the explanation – by global mean? you (mean) lol surface temperature, yes?

This is a more general response and not meant to put anyone on the spot or something – but yes, we gotto be accurate or otherwise we gotto say that we are estimating or guesstimating or reaching lol otherwise the boogeyman will get us or something.

I’ll just use your pretty picture to respond to your first sentence and not the second sentence because I don’t want to bore everyone to death. In reality, I get sufficient email to thank me for what I’ve said throughout the months that the climate change debate heated up here in the Cafe, to continue on although I am bone weary and want to look at other things.

OK, two things on that graph …
100 years is absolutely nothing in terms of solar cycles. These are clearly long term. The Chinese have done deep studies and the shortest visible and truly plot-able climate cycle they found, was 500 years – where data could be considered as representative of the actual climatic cycles and anomalies were pronounced enough to make sense of. The most important here is that they contrasted their cyclical climate data with social stages, so, they have a very clear idea of how the cycles affected their people, as well as a very nifty confirmation of their studies and truly proving the hypothesis that they set out initially. This is recent.

If you are talking about mean surface temp over the past 100 years, and you quote wikipedia (politically correct and on one side of the debate) with a pretty graph from Nasa in turn taking their numbers from Goddard, there are a few issues.

Climate is cyclical, it is not linear – so, plotting or constructing data on a linear basis must be looked at correctly. I can prove anything, warming, cooling, staying the same, by picking my starting point of data at the beginning of a cycle, or end of a cycle or middle of a cycle and I can make my plot, construction or graph go up or down, as I wish. We also know that we are in an inter-glacial period. Neither of these statements are controversial in the least excepting that we should choose our representation fairly, and we should say so and set the context.

We also know that even Nasa admits nowadays that we are into a cooling cycle, and not a warming cycle.

Take a quick look at some actuals using normalized data: http://climate4you.com
Scroll down to the pretty picture that is titled
Quality class 1: Satellite record of recent global air temperature change. The data itself is fully sourced and circumscribed, So, the 1% that you quote, I question – and if you look at the actuals, you will know why I question it.

I use that quality satellite data because we know the problems with previously constructed temperature records where at least Russia and further major parts of the world basically the whole of Eurasia only had accurate measuring stations where the data was only made available after the 2nd WW. The oft-repeated mantra that we have a 200 year climate record is just not accurate because of quality of data, and even availability of data, and even weather data hidden during the 2 world wars for military reasons.

Those that think and mantrically repeat that we have a 200 year consistent climate record can only go and look at the join dates of the various countries to the World Meteorological Organization which is also about the date where countries started submitting regular climate data. Just look at it, and you will know that we have a short term and spotty climate record.
https://public.wmo.int/en/about-us/members

To cut to the chase, I not only question the 1% trend, I also question the wisdom of plotting and comparing over a short 100 years something like solar cycles with a much longer cyclical lifespan than 100 years.
Of course we can do it, the problem comes when we try to use that as a predictive tool or to prove something.

Let’s take a look quick at solar plots. Again go to http://climate4you.com/
Scroll down on the left hand side blue menu until you find sun
Then, take a look at solar irradiance since 1610
No need to spend much time on the data really, but look at the last 100 years. I trust that it is clear that the 100 years were either a cherry picked made for wiki representation, (that would be my guess), or for what reason they present that, I cannot really fathom.

The solar physicists almost to a “man” or a “woman” are expecting some kind of minimum, ie., cooling – with an argument of course of just how much and just how long. Professor Valentina Zharkova, a true breakaway from the stupid consensus which is now called science, is one to follow here. https://nextgrandminimum.com/2018/11/22/professor-valentina-zharkova-breaks-her-silence-and-confirms-super-grand-solar-minimum/
and another one more politically correct. saying, no, only a little bitty cooling, don’t lose your shirt about it. http://www.spaceweatherwoman.com/meet-tamitha/

In the mean time, Extinction Rebellion is sitting everywhere chanting their dirges and death chants wanting someone else to do something for them and offer them eternal life at the minimum. Lets look at the funding:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/global-warming-and-the-ozone-layer-whats-more-dangerous-co2-or-nuclear-war/5690216

Before I leave this topic altogether, I can just say we know very little and every little fact has to be verified as there is so much propaganda going on and this whole thing is just another example of how people in general are forced into basically two different camps on a divide and conquer basis. And yet, even here on this blog, some play that game with gusto and evidently cannot see that we have to come to some kind of unity as humankind otherwise we’re just being used as livestock in this camp, or the other camp. It does not enter into their minds that we can sit together, study together and at the end come to some way forward.

I just want to leave this for those that think the Great Barrier Reef is dying. This is another guy that lost his job for speaking the truth and he actually gets out there and actually looks at that massive reef.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7j75L38PlI

Now I just have to wait for the chorus singing that Professor Peter Ridd is a dirty lier (how do you spell that word anyway?) and a denialist and a prospective murderer of humankind and just not worth the air that he consumes on a daily basis – just because he physically inspects what he works on, and constructs instruments to measure reef conditions. I’ve not memorized all the insults from the box of insults – aah yes, I remember being called rightwing recently and that made me laugh out loud.

Without the global dimming’ of particulate smogs, temperatures would be 1 to 2 degrees Celsius higher, so when we decarbonise, if we ever do, there are those degrees baked in, and they take us up near the mass extermination event threshhold. And then there are the positive feedbacks of warming oceans emitting carbon gases, warming soils ditto, melting permafrost, ditto, megafires, ditto, etc, etc.

You missed the point of Jupiter entirely, Mulga.

Allow me to help you to “get” the point:

Jupiter is also in OUR SOLAR system.

Which means the same sun, you see, as varies for us, varies for Jupiter and the other planets that orbit the same star……our star..The Sun.

Therefore, if Jupiter was heating up at the same time as the earth was (years ago…it was……very, very marginally…due to the sun………………….. to the delight of the oligarchs using it as an excuse to get us here to agree to be taxed out of existence to “save the planet”…for them….LOL) …. THEN the cause of warming of The Earth was likely the same cause as the warming of Jupiter….which OBVIOUSLY was not a “Man-Made” cause…you see???

Because Jupiter is not a home for the human herd….which the oligarchs are maniacally committed to culling…by the way….so we can’t be blamed!

Unless we are willfully, suicidally blind to their cleared stated intentions.

Ti ponimaesh sichas?

Actually I got the name wrong !! LOL. My apologies, and thankyou so much for kindly searching for me. Someone used the correct name in another thread and my memory jogged. It was Starikov, who wrote a paper on Sovereignty using four aspects. It’s the latter, about Cultural Sovereignty that caught my thought.