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For this act of rank recklessness by Trump, Iran and its allies, must ensure that at the very least, the US is forced to leave Iraq and Syria.
The cowardly Israelis who have been begging and pleading and pushing for the clueless Americans to go to war with Iran on its behalf, must not be allowed to cash this in as a victory.
They must come to see Jan. 03. 2020 as the day on which America’s empire began to tangibly retreat goblally and Israel’s prophesied eternal ruination was set in motion.
Selah
It’s allies?
I hope you don’t mean the Saudi TOS-1A MLRS weapon suppliers i.e. the Russians https://sputniknews.com/military/201904101073985275-russia-saudi-arabia-solntsepek/
[I repost it because I forget to type my nick name.]
I know you guys will not agree with but we need to listen the discussion between Kevin Barrett, Jason Unruhe, and Peter Myers on China imperialist behaviors.
https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_welcome-to-2020-baghdad-anti-us-uprising-pros-and-cons-of-the-rise-of-china/
VN, if you listen to Americans on China, especially Americans that truly have not been there and lived there, you will only encounter a truly deep seated cultural bias.
Again, and I think I’ve said this before, go and seek out Godfree Roberts on Unz. He had to change his mind.
And then seek out everything by Jeff J. Brown – author of China is Communist, Dammit!: Dawn of the Red Dynasty. He is an American that changed his views by living there.
You can follow his work from here:
https://www.greanvillepost.com/beijing-dispatch/
And then, seek out the series that Ramin Mazaheri wrote for The Saker Blog on China. This is part 1 and all the other parts are listed there.
/a-necessary-revolution-in-discussing-chinas-cultural-revolution-an-8-part-series-1-8/
No doubt Chinese thought is different and sometimes I do not understand it, not even after reading about 3 years of 3 Chinese publications five days a week. China is this era’s economic juggernaut. But they have long put their imperial ambitions in the past. They know very well what imperialism is, and so does Russia as both have tried this, and suffered under it.
Anyway, up to you to do deeper reading. Do bear in mind that China will take care of its own interests. But unlike the United States, she will think of the world at large as well. This is very clear if you follow their media for some extended time.
Just one more comment. What do you think will happen if China does not keep interest in the South China seas. If they do not insist that the decisions there have to be made in the region. I don’t think it looks fair to the other countries, but if they slack there, you will all be overrun by an Empire at the moment focused on plunder because it is falling. Think this through for a moment. Think who they really are protecting, as well as themselves.
… well said and also the Chinese have no option other than to adopt mass production exports worldwide to gather the economic ability to acquire what is needed in the modern world to keep thieves at a distance.
A truly socialist China is a nice thought but then the Chinese want freedom and independence and are observing the world with reality according to recent history. When the western empire falls there will be opportunities for socialism and a brave new world.
@amarynth
South China Sea is disputed territory.
China, Philippine, Indonesia, Malaysia, especially its nemesis Vietnam, must set the table to have very serious discuss on how they can have fair share on South China Sea but none of them do it one and for all.
I agree with you that Xinjiang is really complicated and chaos. This is reason why I posted here not only let people noticed the matter but I also want to know more about the Xinjiang from people who actually live here.
Both Godfree Roberts and Ramin Mazaheri does not live in China but they still successful to debunked the lied on China (I think so) but I don’t think they are accurate 100% about China. I think I should be fair to listen Kevin Barrett, Peter Myers, and Jason Unruhe who don’t not actually live in China but they have successfully point out the Imperialist nature on China but they don’t accurate on China 100% too, of course.
I will tell you that China claim on South China Sea is ridiculous and very dangerous to the country around the South China Sea. China had right to have interest on South China Sea but they should not do ram and harrass Vietnam and Filippino Fisher Boats. Why China should protect its neighbors? I don’t see any “big goal” on this and all I see in South China Sea that China is an imperialism country. If the China want to work with Philippine, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brumei, especially its nemesis Vietnam, then set the table and have very seriously discussion on how they have fair share on South China Sea.
About this:
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/this-is-mass-rape-china-slammed-over-program-that-appoints-men-to-sleep-with-uighur-women/news-story/ed45cd065e39690354b6402d02904557
https://supchina.com/2019/08/07/uyghur-love-in-a-time-of-interethnic-marriage/
I have to tell you that the thing above is exactly same to “Black Husband White Wife” thing you see in the ads from TV and internet. If China want true interacial marriage, then they should have “Uyghur Husband Han Wife” too not only “Han Husband Uyghur Wife”.
This is literally genocide via marriage. Men dominate women and that means Uyghur women must become Han when they marry Han men.
I have close Chinese friends and what Westerners say about Chinese is usually besides the point It is difficult for a western mind to grasp Oriental ways. Let kevin talk about something else
@amarynth
I agree that China has right to take care its own interest I encourage them to do it. I am in fact admire China in many things. However, that does not mean that I will not turn blind eyes on China imperialism behavior. Do not underestimate the greedy and sino-centrism mind set of Chinese elites.
On Godfree Roberts, according from what I know, not everyone else, I found out that he does not actually live in China, and somehow he can write everything about China. Moreover, whenever someone criticize China, he will act like a bot more than an actual person like how he response to commenter Corey in “The Hidden Power of Pro-US Facton In Vietnam”. (Please correct me if I wrong on the part “Godfree Roberts does not live in China”).
Ramin Mazaheri, from my own knowledge, he also does not live in China too. I read 4 parts of Ramin Mazaheri of China Culture revolution and I agree that AngloZionist had demonized China. However, the atrocities of land reform is real with the incident like children kill their parent for “being landlord”, destroy the ancient temple for “being feudal” or something like that, the only matter that there is no discussion of that how many people. How do I know that, because the land reform in North Vietnam was in fact a copy cat of China land reform and Red Guard, and even Ho Chi Minh had cried and admited how disaster it was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_North_Vietnam
I use the wikipedia not because I believe the Western propaganda but because the link had describe exactly what Vietnamese I know describe, who survived and saved by Ho Chi Minh from the Vietnamese version of Red Guard. Vietnamese during the 60s also heard many atrocites in China, remember that the 60s Vietnamese generation are actually smarter than 80s and 90s generation, and many people I know said the same thing about China.
Mazaheri’s series is based on the Dongping Han books, not actual research. I mean Mazaheri should went to China, interview the people or the descendant of people who live during the China Land Reform, not from a Chinese book because Chinese, like Vietnamese, always cut many parts that describe the bad parts of their country history to “save the face” and avoid the inferiority complex. Dongping Han and his village may very lucky not to be the victim of the Red Guard so he is bias. I mean China is big right? People just cannot know all of the thing that happen in China due to how big it is (Please Correct me if I’m wrong).
From Godfree Roberts and Ramin Mazaheri, Why I should not listen Kevin Barrett, Jason Unruhe, Peter Myers? Because they don’t live in China? I mean Godfree Roberts and Ramin Mazaheri don’t live in China too. And many pro-China commenters here doesn’t even live in China too and for some reason they are unhealthy protective on China in front of any crticism.
I agree that Xinjang is really complicated and chaos so we don’t exactly what truly happen. This is reason why I posted the link because I also want to know the viewpoint from people who actually live in Xinjang.
About “Chinese thought,” what “Chinese thought”? I don’t understand why should I understand the Chinese thought? All I see from my view point is arrogant, and greedy nature of Chinese elites. My viewpoint from China is not AngloZionist viewpoint, my viewpoint on China is older Vietnamese Generation view point on China, not Vietnamese Sinophobia today (If I use the word correctly).
I don’t see China “think of world at large as well”, all I see from China ridiculous claim on South China Sea with hoax documents, ramming on Vietnamese and Filipino fisher boats, etc, that show the imperialism nature of China. You can go and look again the China Dash Line, and you will find out how dangerous it is to the country around the South China Sea. By the way, Vietnam also pretty imperialism too on its claim of South China Sea on Paracel and Spratly Islands with “solid line” which is smaller than China dash line about 1/3.
About this:
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/this-is-mass-rape-china-slammed-over-program-that-appoints-men-to-sleep-with-uighur-women/news-story/ed45cd065e39690354b6402d02904557
https://supchina.com/2019/08/07/uyghur-love-in-a-time-of-interethnic-marriage/
I’m so sorry but I have to said that it is exactly to “interacial agenda” that majority of the google pictures is always the scene “Black Husband And White Wife”. In my own reasearch on China culture, Uyghur woman marries Han man must become Han woman. Man dominate Woman, you know?
Interacial Marriage (many of the picture is Black Husband and White Wife)
https://www.google.com/search?q=interracial+marriage&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS879US879&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwim79qY2efmAhVZyIsBHSzuDAkQ_AUICigB&biw=1517&bih=730&dpr=0.9
The Interracial Agenda is Very Real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDDCA-s2yFM
Why Interracial Relationships Are Pushed On White Women 720p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Rj-HGJiNY
And bunch of adviertising you may see on TV with the scene “Black Husband White Wife”
From this, I conclude that this another form of Genocide of Uyghur population under through “marry”.
Please just correct me if I’m wrong.
@Unorthodox Black Sheep VN
Thank you for your balanced views regarding China and the fallacy of turning a blind eye to their imperialist actions and their sinocentric xenophobia and calculated policy of cultural assimilation. Like you I admire them and even love their culture even to the point of learning to read, write and speak mandarin (that takes commitment and real respect). I even respect a lot of what the CCP has done in showing the way to Asia to respect your own culture as well as some of their policies toward lifting themselves with a singular focus. However, admiration should not blind us to their flaws and bad actions.
I like your posts and articles (even if a particular point you make might make me uncomfortable or challenge my own assumptions) because they are non-linear, unique in perspective, blunt and non-conformist, truly unorthodox, and apparently from an honest point of view. And they are informative.
Thank you again for courageously sticking to the truth and doing your best to remain objective. (Happy New Year)
@Anaam
Thank you for your kind word!
Please just tell me if my opinion puzzle you. I really want to learn more from different view point.
Happy New Year!
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN,
I read this very interesting conversation between you and amarynth – I’m interfering in this conversation, not to judge or criticise, I only would like to express my views that are based on recent history and have no subjective bias.
Historically at different point of time in last millennium, Chinese empire expanded and included Tibet (in south-west), Kyrghizstan (in north-west), Mongolia, Amur & Vladivostok region of Russia, North-eastern Frontier region of India, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macao. However, except India, no other land border of China remains disputed as of 2020 (and it can be easily noted that Chinese government didn’t make excessive claim while sorting out border issues). Historical references to navy-backed trading through South China sea routes are available for Chinese empires but not for Vietnamese and Filipino kingdoms – so it is assumed that Chinese empires controlled that zone. Even Vietnamese leaders agreed (I forgot the year, may be 1960s) However, that doesn’t automatically mean that China will treat SCS as it’s lake – Chinese government indeed has been reaching out to other claimants on how to share resources. Vietnam and Phillipines governments need to understand that China treats SCS as it’s Achilles Heel – since 1840s Chinese mainland have been repeatedly invaded by European powers through SCS. China treats this as existential threat – so, apart from protecting the trading route, (Chinese economic growth happened through this route), China has to ensure that Zionist Imperialist Invaders are away from this region. To that effect Vietnam, Malaysia, Phillipines should settle resource-sharing formula with Chinese government while keeping the Navy forces out of the scenario.
Coming to your point of China behaving as “imperialist” power – i haven’t found any instance of such behaviour in the way they functioned since 1949 (except once, when China sent PLA units into Vietnam in 1979, I think, to teach a lesson – that was entirely a wrong step by Deng). To identify China as imperialist power nowadays (by the academia and media paid by zionist capitalist clique) reminds me of similar campaign against Russia. IMO, if Russia doesn’t claim back it’s civilizational space in novorossia, belarus etc. and China doesn’t claim back it’s civilizational space in Taiwan, Hong Kong, it is their capitulation to Zionist Imperialist designs !
Finally, about Uighurs, I will suggest you to read the history of many Muslim communities in China (among which Uighur is one). Chinese government rule of 1-child was not applied for any non-Han communities , on the contrary Uighur elites always tried to undermine CPC rule. Now, Chinese government can’t be blamed for forced ‘education camps’ for them. If minority community acts against Vietnam government policies in Vietnam will you say they are doing ok ?
Thanks Straight-Bat for this input. Needless to say I am not very focused on this at present, but just today I was reminded of another source that I wanted to add to the list of sources for Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
This one is Ambassador Chas W. Freeman, with decades of experience in China. I wanted to specifically suggest this article : https://chasfreeman.net/china-in-the-post-american-world/
And then a dive into his work, specifically his speeches on that same site.
@amarynth
From my own understanding, your link just prove my point that China is an opportunism, not a savior like many anti-imperialism here believe. China has right to do anything to put its own interest first and I encourage and applaud China to do it. However, that means China will throw its allies US, Russia, Vietnam, or anyone under the bus when its allies are not useful anymore. From my own knowledge, the reason why US does not move its factories out of China, and China doesn’t want US do it because US today has very low number of blue-collar workers who have less experience than Chinese labors. China does not want to do it too because they are not innovative on the technology subject, and they cannot product many things like phone, laptop, etc. with the technology scripts of US, Russia, and Europe. From the information:
https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discriminate-against-asians/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_large_modular_space_station#Technology_exchanges
https://airlinerwatch.com/russia-and-china-to-agree-on-location-of-the-cr929-design-center/
/the-pentagon-realised-what-it-has-done-the-chinese-put-the-us-army-on-its-knees/
I conclude that China cannot do anything with the technology of US and Russia, especially US, and China and US need each other. About the link:
https://chasfreeman.net/china-in-the-post-american-world/
I will post some paragraph that prove my point from the link and I hope I don’t misrepresent anything:
“Throughout the 1980s, the United States and the West worked with Deng’s China to bring down the common enemy – the USSR. China’s military and intelligence role in this effort in the last decade of the Soviet Union is little known or discussed. Public debate then focused somewhat irrelevantly on whether the United States should sell arms to China. At that very moment, Washington was secretly buying billions of dollars of Chinese weaponry to counter the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and to equip so-called “aggressor squadrons” that could train U.S. forces against real-world Soviet doctrine and equipment. While American scholars argued over how to categorize China ideologically, it facilitated American listening posts on its territory that provided unique insights into Soviet military research, development, capabilities, and deployments. Sino-American cooperation proved to be a tipping point toward the ultimate success of George Kennan’s grand strategy of “containment.” It is ironic that, while all but a few in the West never knew or have forgotten this, some in China now join Vladimir Putin in lamenting the Soviet collapse Sino-American cooperation helped engineer.”
Opportunism, you know, and China will to take wrong path (like funding polpot, mujahideen in the past, anything like that in the future) if the path bring profits to China. So, China is not anti-imperialsm.
Next:
“China’s exports to the United States, a majority from US-invested companies, have kept American consumer prices and inflation low. China has been America’s fastest growing foreign market. The Chinese government has been the largest foreign financier of the U.S. fiscal deficit. In 2016, Chinese enterprises invested more than $50 billion in the U.S. private sector. These investments have created more than 200,000 American jobs. If this is evidence of some sort of U.S. policy failure, what would success have looked like?
Much like the American founding fathers (and for the same stated reasons), China seems to regard allies as liabilities rather than assets. It has no entangling alliances. (U.S. policies are, however, pushing it into an anti-American entente with its traditional Russian adversary.) China has emerged as a staunch defender of the U.N. Charter, sovereignty, multilateralism, and transnational regulatory regimes like the World Trade Organization (WTO). Among the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, China is the largest contributor to peacekeeping operations. Some of its practices are objectionable to other members of the international community, but then so are some of ours.”
From two paragraph, we can see that China is really opportunism. From my own understanding, China try to take control UN because UN is the puppet of US and they try to become the new investor for the UN, and UN can kick out US from UN thank for the new investor. China is very smart when they send their troop to become UN peacekeepers to gain their truth. But what will they do in the future when they can control the UN? Nobody can tell. From my personal opinion, China use the UN to legalize their illegal actions like how US use UN.
In conclusion, the link that prove that China is more opportunism than imperialism, but it not prove that China is not imperialism.
Sorry, my opinion on China that China is imperialism and opportunism is reinforced more thank for the link.
“China’s expectations of deference may offend but they do not raise concerns about conquest.“
Set the scene, get the context, not only content. This is a previous US Ambassador teaching the US about China. In his view, and throughout his works, he confirms that China is not out for imperialism or conquest.
He sketches the past … 1980’s, and then he comes to today .. Take a look: “Europe is concerned about Chinese economic behavior but does not fear that China will erode its autonomy, corrupt its democracy, or menace it militarily.”
That is all I have time for.
That his own assumption. In my own opinion, this is not true. He says this because he is stuck in the believe “China never invade any country”.
amarynth, thanks a lot for the link. I found it very interesting to read Ambassador Freeman’s views. I think Unorthodox Black Sheep is unable to see the larger picture because of Vietnam-China tustles – but as a truth-seeker we can’t get blinded by any regional conflict (that have too many roots in 1000-year history).
@Straight-Bat
Don’t worry, I can see the big picture with the long term. I truly hope I’m wrong but I have to tell you that China ramming of boat fisher is the proof to prove that China is an imperialism country. History prove that they are opportunism, not anti-imperialism.
@Straight-Bat
Today, it is really hard to invaded a strong country in land more than invade from sea because sea border is really hard to controlled than land border. I will said that sea border disputed is happening a lot in South China Sea.
The reason China was invaded by many European countries since the 1840s was because their arrogant Sinocentrism. China did not developed powerful naval because they never actually saw the European naval, and they thought they are the best one. Ten Great Campaign was the imperialism campaign of China that bring more harms than goods to China, and many people (if my memory serve me right) argued that the campaign was the reason for the downfall of China in the 19th century. Linh Dinh explain:
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/tet-offensives-hungry-china-and-dumbed-down-americans/
”By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes. If you haven’t heard of the last two groups, it’s because they’ve been mostly wiped out. Though extremely costly, with two clear defeats, these wars were dubbed the Ten Great Campaigns by the vain and delusional Qianlong Emperor.
Incompetently ruled, slow to modernize, corrupt, decadent, with many of its men on drugs and its women’s feet bound, China was racked by rebellions then defeated and gang-raped by Japan, Russia, Britain, France, the United States, Germany, Italy and Austro-Hungary, thus came the end of Imperial China. Backward through much of the 20th century, China hardly invaded anybody because it couldn’t.
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The China historical reference means nothing today because it is already hundred years ago, most of the country in Asia and Africa before 18th century understand how important on building Naval is, and they don’t how big sea is, and it does not excuse for Chinese navy harass and ram on Vietnam, Filipino, and other countries fisher boats on the South China Sea.
If China truly want to have fair share the South China Sea with other countries especially Vietnam who is its nemesis, then China should set the table to discuss with other countries on how to have fair share on South China Sea, but no countries think about this, and all of them want to claim South China Sea to their own. China already want to claim the whole South China Sea with its dash line since the 1980s.
China has right to build powerful Navy but that does not excused their behavior on South China Sea. China literally copies American Aircraft Carrier formation, the formation that is used to attack the defenseless country not protect purposes. China can ask Russia to help them build naval that more practical and peaceful but China choose the US aircraft carrier that is more warmonger instead. You can read (if you don’t read yet):
/is-there-a-future-for-russian-aircraft-carriers/
I view China as an imperialism not with the AngloZionism view point but with old Vietnamese generation viewpoints, not Vietnamese Sinophobia today of course. China cannot be trusted due its imperialism actions in South China Sea. If they want to gain trust from its neighbors, then stop the nonsense “dash line” with hoax documents.
I don’t say that China treat Uighur brutality, Xinjiang is a complicated and chaos area so nobody except the people who live there know exactly what is going on. However, I point out that the interracial marriage with “Han Husband Uighur Wife” is a genocide via marriage because when Chinese elites want to dominate or remove the ethnicity, they must remove the male and force women to bear their children. If China government just want Uighur to become China, they should also have the “Uighur Husband Han Wife” too to be fair. What China government are doing to Uighur is exactly to what British had done to Australia Aboriginal. You can view the information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-Proof_Fence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
This is joke so don’t take it seriously: China had more women than men so China should practice polygamy against like “One Han Husband Four Uighur Wives” and “One Uighur Husband Four Han Wives”.
Let comeback to Vietnam on treatment minorities. Comparing China to Vietnam like compare Orange to Apple so it can be irrelevant but I will say that it is not ok to let minorities act again Vietnam Government Policies and I will try to explain. Today, minorities in North Vietnam since the 15th century (if my memory serve me right) had accepted to become Vietnamese so the problem is settled and no interracial agenda. In Vietnamese Central Highlands, after Vietnam be united in 1975, Vietnamese Government had immigrated hundred thousands Vietnamese, especially the poor and unemployment ones from North to new economic zones in Central Highlands to modernized the areas and lift people out from poor but the true agenda is overpopulation to highlander minorities, stopping minorities gain more land to form new country like what FULRO had tried to do in the past. However, Vietnam Government does not have interracial agenda like what Chinese are doing today. I suggest you should read:
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/endless-culture-war/
From this, I can concluded that for some reason Vietnam deal with rebellion minorities better than China. FULRO still actives in Central Highland but they are weak right now.
By the way, in 1979, China invaded Vietnam unreasonable, the true reason is unknown right but there are two theories:
1. US paid China to do it. Remember that China had very good relationship with US until 2010s, and they even funded Mujahideen to fight Soviet Union.
2. China just wanted to expand more lands.
There is not such thing “teach a lesson to Vietnam” because Vietnam is still not united in political and social during 1975 and 1980. In the South Vietnam, many SVN soldiers and families had been arrested and sent to the re-education camps. I heard that China invaded Vietnam to save the South East Asia from being invaded by Vietnam because Soviet wanted to use Vietnam to spread communist. However, this is very absurd because it is true that Vietnamese military is very powerful after 1975 but Vietnam, in fact, was not united political and social like I mention above. To invaded the whole South East Asia, Vietnam need the whole military from North to South to do it, Vietnam did not have ability to do it during this time especially when Khmer Rouge began invaded Vietnam in the South in 1976.
That all and I hope my explain help you understand more.
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN,
Your main points are – first, Peoples Republic of China can’t be trusted because of its imperialist behaviour, secondly, China wrongly treats it’s Uighur minority.
In support of your first point, you mentioned that PRC uses “hoax documents of 9-dash lines”. However in your writings in this cafe, you never mentioned that 9-dash lines were not invented by PRC, but Republic of China put this claim in the 1930’s (when Japan was invading Chinese mainland plus spartley & paracel islands) – in fact, Taiwan government as well as Beijing government both based their claims on that. As I mentioned, China’s claim is based on it’s maritime history, so it is not really possible for Vietnam-Malaysia-Philippines to dislodge Chinese claim … The best way to deal is all 3 countries should make treaties with China for resource-sharing with couple of islands for commercial use.
With my understanding of the world order (of past 500 years) I can confidently say that, in case the USA-5 Eyes-NATO wants their navy to attack mainland China and Taiwan, the Deep State oligarchy will ‘buy’ out each and every government around SCS so that those countries provide all support to Deep State. What will China do – with such types of existential issue you can’t expect China to behave any way other than what they are doing now.
Let’s not stress that China is ‘imperialist’ in it’s behaviour – you need to read the history and political studies to understand what imperialism is all about !!! There is nothing like “imperialism in Anglo Zionist way” or “old Vietnam vs China” way – as per as I understand, ‘Imperialism’ is one , China used to be imperialist before 1912, Russia used to be Imperialist before 1917.
@Straight-Bat
In support of your first point, you mentioned that PRC uses “hoax documents of 9-dash lines”. However in your writings in this cafe, you never mentioned that 9-dash lines were not invented by PRC, but Republic of China put this claim in the 1930’s (when Japan was invading Chinese mainland plus spartley & paracel islands) – in fact, Taiwan government as well as Beijing government both based their claims on that.
I have to thank you so much for correct me that the 9-dash line was been invented by Republic of China. I truly don’t know about this, I truly think that it just appeared in1979 or 1980. However, the claim is not practical anymore because in the past, no Asian Countries (except Japan) know or understand the potential of South China Sea on harvesting oil, gas, etc. You had to take note that WWII can be considered the first oil war.
As I mentioned, China’s claim is based on it’s maritime history, so it is not really possible for Vietnam-Malaysia-Philippines to dislodge Chinese claim … The best way to deal is all 3 countries should make treaties with China for resource-sharing with couple of islands for commercial use.
South China Sea is not used for trading commercial anymore, it is used for harvesting oil, gas, etc. and it is important for support power to Navy, that mean who control the South China Sea they can control will become invincible (If I use the word correctly). In the past, China was the only Asian country that have true Navy until 18th century, and no country even think about developing Navy until 20th century. Today, many countries understand on how important building navy and controlling South China Sea is. The problem all of country around South China Sea want to have sharing, they just want to claim their own. China don’t understand about sharing South China Sea, you have to look the 9-dash line again and you will understand how dangerous it is to national security to country around it because it too close to the country around the the dash line.
With my understanding of the world order (of past 500 years) I can confidently say that, in case the USA-5 Eyes-NATO wants their navy to attack mainland China and Taiwan, the Deep State oligarchy will ‘buy’ out each and every government around SCS so that those countries provide all support to Deep State. What will China do – with such types of existential issue you can’t expect China to behave any way other than what they are doing now.
Let’s not stress that China is ‘imperialist’ in it’s behaviour – you need to read the history and political studies to understand what imperialism is all about !!! There is nothing like “imperialism in Anglo Zionist way” or “old Vietnam vs China” way – as per as I understand, ‘Imperialism’ is one , China used to be imperialist before 1912, Russia used to be Imperialist before 1917.
AngloZionist is really dangerous than China, I agree. However, You have to look again China action during the 20th century, you can see that China is an opportunism country not anti-imperialism. China will betray their allies, take wrong path (even devil path) to their own interest first. Working with China like working with a double agent. China and US in fact still depend to each other in many area especially the technology and Chinese innovative is really bad like Chanda Chisala had point out in the the Unz Review. China coast guard ramming to neighbor fishers is proof to prove China is an imperialism, they don’t respect other countries sovereign rights. I don’t use China-Vietnam conflict to build my argument, I observe China behavior in South China Sea.
The “Han Husband Uighur Wife” thing is happening when the women husband are absent or being sent to re-education camp. I approve China should send the Wahabism to re-education but the genocidal via marriage “Hand Husband Uighur Wife”, in my opinion, is not acceptable. I mean even my country don’t even have the agenda “Viet Husband Minority Wife”.
That all, I hope it help you understand more.
@Straight-Bat
I forget to tell you that my “hoax document” mean China claim they already have South China Sea since the B.C. and they don’t have any proof to prove that they put people live in Spratly and Paracel Islands at least 13th century. By the way, according to my knowledge, Not any sciencetist had come to the island to measure the age of Paracel and Spratly island. What if the island is the creation of Volcano actions and they just appear around 15th or 16th century century thank for the action?
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN,
“… You have to look again China action during the 20th century, you can see that China is an opportunism country not anti-imperialism. China will betray their allies …” >>
Sorry, i’m 100% confident (backed by understanding of historical facts and geopolitical incidents) that Peoples Republic of China (and Soviet Union) were/are neither opportunist nor imperialist country.
PRC had ideological tustle with post-Stalin Soviet Union – while PRC’s stand against Zionist revisionist clique within Communist Party of Soviet Union was definitely correct, PRC’s actions were completely wrong in (1) Afghanistan to help (anti-Soviet Union) Sunni terrorist forces who were created by USA/5 Eyes/NATO/Israel, and (2) Cambodia to help anti-Vietnamese government of Khmer Rouge who were on a self-destructive path. No idea how Deng did such mistakes in foreign policy.
Coming to interaction between China and USA, the Zionist capitalist oligarchy thought in the 1980s and 1990s that they have got PRC in their camp – not because Chinese Communist Party ever expressed such intentions, but because the oligarchy thought due to financing & technical know-how transfers PRC will be beholden to the capitalists forever ! Little do they knew that Chinese empire achieved highly sophisticated level of technological & industrial society even 1 millenium back. PRC (under Deng) wanted to kick-start the industrial society while retaining a Leninist political structure – under Xi, PRC really achieved that goal (with less than 5% population at poverty level).
“Han husband Uighur wife”, if being promoted by PRC govt, is wrong policy. Interethnic marriages can happen normally in modern society – but can’t be a state policy. However if you really want to know how ‘ethnic cleansing’ can be tool of imperialism , you need to study North American history of past 500 years and Australian history of past 300 years and note how the British (and other Germanic communities) led by zionist imperialist aristocrats and oligarchs slaughtered the aboriginals (few thousands of whom are still around as a reminder to those genocides), to build imperial outposts – the colonies .
@Straight-Bat
Forgive me for making you confuse because I don’t specify one thing: I don’t say that China is brutality like AngloZionism. I know the genocide on Native American and I am highly confident and agree with you that China is no way to brutality like AngloZionism. This the problem I try to convince to some Vietnamese I know, especially the Sinophobia that China is just dangerous to Vietnam because it just next to Vietnam. I even bring other imperialism country like Turkey, Israel, etc. and bring the Pedophilia Ring in Western countries and anything else I know but you know what, they are unconvinced due to First World Propaganda.
I have to admit and apologized to you that I honestly think you are a blindly pro-China with the mindset “China doesn’t do anything wrong” but I glad you are not from your comment above when you recognize the wrong thing they are doing.
Xi Jinping, in my own opinion, is a good leader to China and I truly admire Xi Jinping in many things like lifting poverty, building super traffic system, kill the corrupted, etc. and this is the thing I hope my country Vietnam can do it but unfortunately my country is going to hellhole little by little.
Chinese today is less innovative than Western country since the 18th century until now. People cannot stuck in the past forever, you know. If China can rebuild their innovative skill in the past, good for China. However, from my own knowledge, China today is not innovative, US and China are depended to each other in many ways like US does not have skill blue collar workers so they must need Chinese cheap labors meanwhile China still need US because they don’t have innovative skill in technology. Right now, US begin to move their factories to Vietnam, and this a big threat for China. Even China somehow nationalized the factories, their technology still lower than US and Western and they will not develop further more, according to my own knowledge.
I suggest you should read (If you don’t read yet):
https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discriminate-against-asians/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_large_modular_space_station#Technology_exchanges
https://airlinerwatch.com/russia-and-china-to-agree-on-location-of-the-cr929-design-center/
/the-pentagon-realised-what-it-has-done-the-chinese-put-the-us-army-on-its-knees/
PRC’s actions were completely wrong in (1) Afghanistan to help (anti-Soviet Union) Sunni terrorist forces who were created by USA/5 Eyes/NATO/Israel, and (2) Cambodia to help anti-Vietnamese government of Khmer Rouge who were on a self-destructive path. No idea how Deng did such mistakes in foreign policy.
I suggest you read the Ping-Pong Diplomacy: Ping-Pong Diplomacy did not only normalize the relationship between China and US but also there are many secret deals like trading technology (people already know), and some people in the internet joke that US born the modern China.
Let me tell you one unbelievable thing about the Ping-Pong Diplomacy that only Vietnamese Older Generation Intelligence Agency know and you cannot find it in the google or anywhere else and I’m not suprise that you will not trust me: is that China want to control 50% of Pacific from South China Sea to Midway island and US will control the remain 50%. I know you will not trust it but I’m not liar because this is what I heard from Vietnamese veterans and they don’t lie to me. I even try to google the sharing Pacific part in Diplomacy but I cannot find it on the internet.
https://www.corbettreport.com/china-and-the-new-world-order-transcript/
https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=pZkJDgAAQBAJ&pg=PT209&lpg=PT209&dq=By+about+the+year+2000+Communist+China+will+be+a+%E2%80%9Csuperpower%E2%80%9D+built+by&source=bl&ots=nmRhpoBhX4&sig=ACfU3U2UDXTdjh2pRvi31YH8vaE0sMtkHw&hl=vi&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0xrbEpO_mAhUNBKYKHYCNCUkQ6AEwAHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=By%20about%20the%20year%202000%20Communist%20China%20will%20be%20a%20%E2%80%9Csuperpower%E2%80%9D%20built%20by&f=false
(If the google link don’t work, then google “antony sutton by 2000s, china will become” and you find he google book)
From the information above, China and US had worked together to make the deal: China will become US factory with Cheap Labors and US will give China US technology if China worked with US to destroy Communism. In conclusion, they are opportunism.
China is imperialism country and their actions in South China Sea has proved it. Of course, China Imperialism is not brutal like AngloZionism at least right now.
Let view this:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-takeover-china-is-building-enormous-self-sustaining-chinese-cities-all-over-the-african-continent
The China exclusive zones is the tactic that Vietnam government had used on the New Economic Zones on Vietnam Central Highland to take more land from minorities and prevent FULRO build their own country in 1980s. One more imperialism action.
China will have ethnic cleansing when they have chance. In the 18th, when British is commiting genocide on Native American, China do this:
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/tet-offensives-hungry-china-and-dumbed-down-americans/
By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes. If you haven’t heard of the last two groups, it’s because they’ve been mostly wiped out. Though extremely costly, with two clear defeats, these wars were dubbed the Ten Great Campaigns by the vain and delusional Qianlong Emperor.
China build the Aircraft Carrier to invasion purpose not defending purposes, if they just want to protect their country, they can ask Russia to help them build powerful navy instead wasting so much money to copy US. If you don’t read yet, you should read:
/is-there-a-future-for-russian-aircraft-carriers
Combine its past to present, I conclude that China is an imperialsm country.
In conclusion, China is an opportunism and imperialism country. However, I aslo admire China so greatly, and I even hope and pray that China don’t step into the fallen step of Vietnam.
I hope my explain help you more.
@ Unorthodox Black Sheep VN,
Don’t worry – at my age and with my study background, there is nothing that can confuse me.
All the links you sent are known to me (and read earlier). As I wrote earlier, I will repeat – Peoples Republic of China is not imperialist, rather the core of Resistance (to Zionist Capitalist Imperialism and Hegemony) …
The bilateral issues that PRC is facing need to be resolved with other South East Asian countries.
Industry and innovation are something which Chinese leadership is taking care of – it is their responsibility how they forge tie-up with Russian industry and USA industry.
As I noted before, the Zionist oligarchy (bankers & industrialists) thought they got (Deng era) PRC in their lap during 1980s and 1990s. Kissinger & Brezensky (apparently two camps, but both represent same Deep State clique) both touted the concept of “bi-polar world order” where USA/NATO and China forming two poles – Corbett reports and few others provide details of that “conceptual plan” plus views of Zionist elites …. Chinese Communist Party is too intelligent/knowledgeable (with dedication to Marxist-Leninist ideology) to fall in the trap set by zionist capitalist clique.
If you are still thinking on ‘1970s Vietnam-style’ about Chinese imperialism then it is time to rethink and reread everything afresh !
China, for many hundreds of years was always imperial………….they ruled the waves and vassel countries paid tributaries to the Chinese…………but the huburis of Dynasty became thier downfall, they, full of themselves, let thier navy fall into disrepair………….the rest as they say, is history.
Arose, arose, arose from out the a-azure main,
…
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Lyrics from “Rule (over whom?) Britannia”
You have the wrong country, Sean.
Sorry, what sean the leprechaun says above is true. China is an imperialism country and they still at it right now.
@UBS VN re: the ads on tv. It’s just part and parcel of the ‘keep them confused’ agenda, homo, lesbo, dogbo, lghbtxyzbo…………..now this is when to be really, and I mean really concrened, when you see an ad with two husbands in tutus meeting the one wife at the door after work…………..when you see that…….oy vey. Don’t say I didn’t predict it.
The Mings, 1300’s to 1600’s but you need to study history………….the Britanic Empire destroyed the Chinese Empire……..Empires beget Empires………….And yes, that was long before the English learned to write songs/anthems but history is, history, guess you never heard of the Imperial Chinese Navy……….which begets the question………..does histroy repeat.
Imperialism I understand, but always had vague notions of its exact meaning, being the extending of force to achieve domination. I knew the word imperious, however, as a child, because of a friend whose mother I was told later was Imperious. (She was scary.) I recall that now, as one does, and the exact meaning – here of all places ; )
@Annonymous 12:01 PM EST/EDT
@ sean the leprechaun
I complete agree with what you guys say!!
No doubt about it Bro, your salivating support for the Oranguturd killer of Qasem Soleimani is the great white (Nazi) hope.
Extreme right wing support is skyhigh worldwide, the turkey farmers will continue to do very well. It is increasingly difficult to have any sympathy for the turkey’s.
… thinking of Iran … and Australia …
Enya – Echoes In Rain (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWFc5mkABNo
(just the right amount of rain needs to fall now)
… continuing …
Toto – Africa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_CNGOx2A8
A momentary change of pace. Can anyone ‘splain to me what is ‘pansexual’. Don’t get graphic for sure .-), but wth? What has a pan gotto do with it?
“The potential candidate for Liberal Democrat leadership announced on Friday that she was a pansexual, making her the first such in UK history to do so and prompting both applause and derison on social media.”
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202001031077928677-lib-dems-layla-moran-comes-out-as-uks-first-pansexual-mp-triggering-twitter-amid-leadership-race/
Well, I’d go down the Peter Pan road, but really, it’s actually a very complicated medical disorder that arises from centuries of inbreeding. Tea, anyone?
seems like more deep state undermining of Trump. Press release was quick to point out it was Trumps decision (Pompeo was ridiculous on CNN – ‘an attempt to de escalate the situation in Iraq/Iran’ – what a gross idiot) Deep state determined to undermine Trumps ‘no war’ policy, its the one thing they haven’t managed to do yet, it’s the one thing that would guarantee he doesn’t get re elected, being seen to break his ‘less war’ election promises. Neocons get their way yet again in the Whitehouse.
Look, while we were waiting last night to see if the US will take responsibility, the very first indication was Trump posting a US flag on his twitter. Nothing else, just the flag. That was the first indicator that it was the US that killed Soleimani. There is no more space to argue the ‘innocence’ of Trump, or Trump taking ‘bad advice’, or any of those flat excuses. Trump is a ziocon. The US is in economic trouble, whether they tell you so or not. Netanyahu is trying to get out of his criminal accusations. The Saker said just in the previous few days, that
“Trump is stuck in a position where he has no other choice but to continue to threaten anybody and everybody. This kind of manic aggression towards the entire planet is what passes for “looking presidential” in the current US political doxa.”
So, we cannot make excuses for Trump any longer.
Who’s doing that?
And who’s doing it for Her Satanic Majesty?
Perhaps without being even conscious of what one is doing?
All we know is……“It’s a TRAP!”
Who would benefit MOST from that trap???
Is Trump …The Trapper??? …or the Trappee…or just the INTENDED trappee that will, once more, sidestep the trap of WAR???
There are many, many other lesser questions that also need answers before sweeping directives on how people should think…or talk.
I seriously doubt you’re a Trapper, amarynth.
I am nearly certain, however, that you are currently in an emotional mind trap of ……Empire Origin.
Quite possibly right along with DJT. How do you “like them” apples (if you’re both in the same apple barrel, side by side) ?
We need the patience to root out more answers……….. before making flat declarations of certainty…that in MHO does not even remotely exist…..yet.
Maybe DJT does need “prophylactic measures” on his mind and emotions right now, as Kent’s grahic suggests
If so, however, he’s not the only one: Add in the British Crown, Macron, Merkel, The US Impeachers…..and the US Presstitutes in the Lamestream Media, currently gloating that this is………………
”
Donald Trump’s Benghazi”.
I don’t like traps, so I won’t think, write or say ONE F’ing thing that’ll help that cast of demonic characters.
And I would more take my cues …once more from the Supremely Under Control of Himself …..Putin….and like Auslander says………….
/extremely-dangerous-development-in-the-middle-east/#comment-738106
“Calm down.”
and
” For those of you who wish, call for, scream for, instant attack, then by all means, clap your helmet on your head, grab your sword, saddle up and have at it. Those of us with experience will sit back and watch, as I and my bride are doing. When our city is locked down, then and only then is it serious. ”
Since that lock down decision, if it comes at all…………. will be made not in ANY Cafe…but in the Kremlin…..I’m taking the advice of someone who’s seen plenty of hostile enemy fire before….remaining calm…and trying to get more….and deeper answers than ANY of my emotions can possibly give me….at this time.
There already was a drone strike, well publicized, against Solimani (how many attempts, we don’t know). He knew his days where numbered. I can’t see that the Iranians had’nt already gamed that out. He died how he wanted where he wanted otherwise you’d think he’d take precautions, unless………..nah, couldn’t be that dumb and rise to that rank. Sometimes double daring is unwise.
For those of you really familiar (and preferably personally familiar with the middle east and north africa, I have a question.
I am an American. I was contemplating a trip to Egypt.
Is such a trip to risky at this point?
I am very surprised that you even need to ask.
Look at the lies being promulgated. Do you really feel safe . . .even at home?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/118584834/good-riddance-to-qassem-soleimani
I travel a lot. People try to discourage me from going to a lot of places to which I travel. They say, “that is not a safe place.” I tell them that no place is safe anymore, even – and maybe especially – the United States. In fact, the sheer and utter irrationality of the most recent assassination may even force powerful nations to consider a preemptive strike against the United States. I don’t think that is an overstatement. In fact, I would not be surprised at all if that is being considered right now. The United States gives every indication of a nation gone mad which presents a grave threat to civilization as a whole. If the US could do what they have just done, they are capable of doing anything. I am sure that powerful nations understand that at this point and are considering all options.
However, I can’t control that.
I generally will travel to any country where I don’t feel I might be “targeted” on account of being an American. These are countries like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I wonder if this now includes Egypt.
Rick Steves says Europe is safer than here, but not sure what he said about ME or Africa.
Alabama, the Canadian Government website now lists France and Belgium as being just as dangerous for travelers as Egypt. I would not, for instance, travel to Paris at this time for obvious reasons.
I hear the stench in Paris has been bad for quite a while now, and even though his in site may be some years old, he could probably still show people the safe places in Belgium and France, or Paris to go, if one really wanted to see some sites. The no go zones today are obvious even to the law over there.
Me? I don’t intend to have a meal outside of the U.S. for quite some time.
Trapped in the same type of condom ??:
Putin seems to be the one most determined to get out.
http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/tr.jpg
http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/kim.jpg
http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/pt.jpg
Kent
Remember that a huge fifth column is working against President Putin at home and abroad.
Then there are the sanctions in multiple areas.
In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the situation in Russia was the same as in
Germany in the 1920s.
Kent, many thanks again for the flowers you sent me some time ago, I have forgotten to thank you back then !
And…gott nytt år !
Energean signs deal to sell Karish gas to Greece’s DEPA
Energean signed the LOI ahead of the signing of the EastMed pipeline agreement by the energy
ministers of Cyprus, Greece, and Israel.
The plan is to export Israeli gas to Greece through the projected undersea natural gas pipeline to
Europe, construction of which will cost an estimated $9 billion.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-energean-signs-deal-to-sell-gas-to-greeces-depa-1001313438
Source: An article of the Kuruc.info, titled “Kosher Israeli gas instead of non-kosher Russian gas
for Europe – but unfortunately only partially”
https://kuruc.info/r/4/206731/
“God’s Lion” – Soul, has no creed/religion, colour or race. It loves all of life, simply because it is Its nature to do so. The Persian poet, Rumi, in his great poem , “The Masnavi”, some 800 years ago, wrote “I tell you a story that cannot be spoken, And hide it from observers when I say it…” What is this great Soul telling us? He’s saying that God cannot be defined, only experienced. And once experienced, one is changed forever. This is the salvation the world’s religions speak of, yet know so little of in terms of directing their followers in how to achieve it. As the saying goes, ‘God is never for the masses but only for the few willing to sacrifice everything for IT’. The individual’s greatest problem is attachment, anchoring Soul firmly to this world. The antidote? Detachment, or rather, detached love, Charity.
God’s Lion
When God’s Lion roars
His Kingdom awakes;
The echo resounding
across the plain!
The deer and the antelope
pause in play,
Marking with reverence
their Monarch’s reign.
When God’s Lion roars
all creatures take heart;
The schemes of dissenters
have come to an end!
The leopard pays tribute,
licking its wounds –
Where once a contender,
now a friend.
When God’s Lion roars,
the wildwood shakes.
The quarry it trembles
deep in its lair!
Of what will the Sovereign
today partake;
Venison, giraffe or
fowl of the air?
When God’s Lion roars,
His Pride responds –
“Queens; make ready
to lead the hunt!”
The Eye of the Elephant
called to attend,
To the old and the sick,
that straggling runt.
When God’s Lion roars
wise men defer;
Those who live by the sword
take heed!
Whether lowly or haut,
of guile or blunt;
There’s nowhere to run,
it’s time to concede!
When God’s Lion roars,
His Kingdom is roused.
Small creatures emerge from
burrows and nests.
The deer and the antelope
pause in their play…
Summoned to become
the Monarch’s guests.
When God’s Lion roars
the signal has come –
Its echo resounding
throughout the land;
God’s table is rich
and laden with fare;
All creatures are invited
to bring a chair.
What is poetry if not music ? it can be sung alone or it can be played by an orchestra, it uses a single instrument but it also uses many, it can be a trumpet, a violin, a piano or a guitar, using them all including the drums…the writer is the composer, the singer and the conductor. The poetry has its rhythm, it can be melancholic, sad, humorous, patriotic, revolutionary, sarcastic, whatever, using a few colors or a large palette full with different nuances…and therefore it is a continuation of painting or another form of it.
Indeed, my friend. The best art/music/poetry evokes a pure world of feelings, of emotion, as do dreams. And this phenomenon serves to awaken that which is hidden in the subconscious mind of man, so that it may enter the conscious mind of those who long to know. It is a direct translation of the Music of the Spheres, or Divine Spirit, into the physical world through light and sound.
The deity of life and death
Once placed the lion in the heavens
For all to look up to from the earth
The brightest stars reveal his form
Eternal proud wanderer of the night
Free and holding the mighty space
Far below are worlds distractions
Human chaos senseless confusion
Fearless is the Lion and unheeding
Night gives way to the light of day
The stars of the lion sinking deep
Shining within your heart and mine
Beautiful reverie, thanks anon.
I couldn’t sleep last night…..until after 2 am.
Too many loose ends…. an unravelling situation and Quite Frankly’s musings about real and not real desires for peace, after some shocking data about arms dealer Mark Turi……a certain law firm that may ring a bell…and insinuations that even Iran is not immune to Deep State Plots within the Obama—Kerry Sec of State …and Killary Sec of State eras….that still fester??:
https://youtu.be/EKEoSgGX9SU?t=2748
My own feeling is that since Mossadegh’s over throw, especially, Persians have every right to defend their civilization from truly foul western abuse and intervention and “regime change”…..but is it THAT simple???
What about Valerie Jarrett…….Huma Abedin….etc AND: the pallets of USD bribe money of Iranians on Barry’s watch??
NONE are Deep State corrupted???
For me, It’s a sad day when John Bolton is happily tweeting.
Maybe he and his buddies finally got Donald by his gonads and we’re heading for war.
But “It ain’t over til it’s over.”
Excerpt from statement today by the Silk Road Lady:
“……………Whatever the views of other forces in the West and in southwest Asia are of Soleimani, it is a fact that he has probably done more than anyone to contribute to the defeat of ISIS, Daesh, al Nusra, al Qaida etc., and represents a national hero in the eyes of the Iranians. As is also to be expected, various Iranian proxies in the region have immediately promised revenge actions, while the Iraqi Government has announced it will introduce legislation in the Iraqi parliament on Jan. 4 to end the legal basis for the American military presence in Iraq. Me: A Silver LIning???
Given the extreme complexity of the history of southwest Asia in terms of ethnic and religious strife, the century-old manipulations by (primarily) the British Empire with the Great Game against Russia, and with the entanglement in this region of all the world’s nuclear powers, there is no question but that this present escalation has the potential of getting completely out of control, no matter what the forces involved in the coup against President Trump may think. If there is anything one can learn from military history, it is the recognition that wars almost never go as planned. If people would have known how World War I and II evolved, they would not have started them. Before any further escalation between the US, Iran and their proxies occurs, all peace loving people in the world should support an immediate summit among the Presidents of the US, Russia and China, now, in the spirit of the Meeting at the Elbe.
It is clear, that among the three presidents, President Trump—who promised to end the endless wars and has already taken several steps in that direction—and Presidents Putin and Xi, there is the intention and the capability to outflank the maneuvers of the war-mongers and to establish a higher level of cooperation. That potential is the reason that the coup—Russiagate and now the Impeachment—are orchestrated against Trump. It is now the time that those three outstanding leaders fulfill the potential that historical providence has bestowed upon them.”
Or are we trapped, into World War…a Third Time???
“It’s a trap!”
Avoid it. Let OBOR go through Iran, Donald, and connect the Americas to a World of Peace and Prosperity………and OBOR……….at the Bering Straits Tunnel.
There’s your better “Deal”.
Helga’s full statement: https://larouchepac.com/20200103/helga-zepp-larouche-statement-assassination-quassim-soleimani
Bro, and in general. As you can imagine, The Saker Blog is busy on various fronts! So, will probably not join you all here to talk smack for a while yet.
There are a few things though that I had in mind for the Cafe and as I am on coffee number 4, and the sun is not yet even showing a first false sunrise. I’ll put these things down now as I detox from coffee with a few large glasses of water. At least my body has found that it has a brain – that took a while after this night and the previous one.
A few things that Americans should read imho. These are from folks that I consider thoughtful and they love their country. First is
Tom Luongo from Gold, Goats and Guns.
Trump’s Point of No Return
https://tomluongo.me/2020/01/03/trump-point-of-no-return/
Then, two pieces from Patrick Lang’s blog (I read the information here because these guys are soldiers still with ethics and I am not a soldier, so, this exposes me to the way of soldier thinking – no matter if we differ in the details).
Will Trump welcome the ejection of the US from Iraq? – He should.
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/01/will-trump-welcome-the-ejection-of-the-us-from-iraq-he-should.html
Did Donald Trump Light the Fuse on a New Middle East War? by Larry C Johnson
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/01/did-donald-trump-light-the-fuse-on-a-new-middle-east-war-by-larry-c-johnson.html
And then, a quick recounting of a conversation that we had yesterday while working – of course, no details. I was monitoring something for The Saker Blog and I reported on this – from the group, a question came back to me and this was:
Do they understand that their welfare is now at stake.?
And that was the question of the day.
So, number 1 for me would be if Americans could start to understand that …. my comment was that I could not yet see clearly if there is understanding that the barrels of the guns are now turned toward them but some understanding is very slowly dawning.
We don’t know what the outcome of this killing of the head of Iran’s Quds force, Qassem Soleimani, and the head of Iraq’s Poplar Mobilization Forces, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. If I carried an American passport I would postpone travel for just a while until the dust settles (if it settles). I think you should take The Saker’s estimate of an 80/20 (the old Pareto principle) possibility of some kind of war seriously.
“As of right now (19:24 UTC) I still think that there is a roughly 80% chance of full scale war in the Middle-East and, again, will leave 20% of “unexpected events” (hopefully good ones).”
/soleimani-murder-what-could-happen-next/
So, number 2 for me would be to hold onto Trump, but change his cadre if you can. Heaven help us if Pence crawls in – nothing can be worse than Pompeo but Pence may just be. Not because Trump is anything special, I don’t think he is, but more for the little bit of stability that he still offers. But please keep his feet to the fire. This thing that he did (and they all are lying about) will certainly drive most everyone in the world away – even further. MAGA is not plunder the rest of the world. Draining the Swamp is not killing leaders in other countries. Keep Trump’s feet to the fire directly .. Don’t bother with anyone else I would think. Write him .. He needs to sincerely apologize for this action of the US, and he needs to also overturn the last Decree on Israel – he hollowed out the freedom of speech principle. Economically I don’t believe any of the numbers coming from the US. Nobody wants to see a worldwide economic crash and nobody wants to see a new war in the ME or anywhere else. Keep your man’s feet to the fire, directly, direct democracy. That is about the only think that I think could work. Chris Hedges says massive street action, but I think massive letter writing action can do the same thing. Talk to your man directly .. lose the Twitter and put your words on paper and do it massively. Lose the intrigue – for now, we have to stop a war and you do not want to be implicit in that for sure and neither do I.
OK, back to work.
From Helga Larouche’s statement, (excerpts below), the impression strikes me as one of a a deliberate inflammation of tensions to further demonize/demolish Trump rather than engage in war. The blood lusty hoards are crying for revenge. What is the dynamic probability of open conflict during a ‘process of impeachment ?
‘… large crowds assembled in various Iranian cities screaming death threats to Trump and expressing their hatred for Americans. Whatever the views of other forces in the West and in southwest Asia are of Soleimani, it is a fact that he has probably done more than anyone to contribute to the defeat of ISIS, Daesh, al Nusra, al Qaida etc., and represents a national hero in the eyes of the Iranians…
‘…all peace loving people in the world should support an immediate summit among the Presidents of the US, Russia and China, now, in the spirit of the Meeting at the Elbe.
It is clear, that among the three presidents, President Trump—who promised to end the endless wars and has already taken several steps in that direction—and Presidents Putin and Xi, there is the intention and the capability to outflank the maneuvers of the war-mongers and to establish a higher level of cooperation. That potential is the reason that the coup—Russiagate and now the Impeachment—are orchestrated against Trump.’
Waiter,
After a long pause i got some time to visit the cafe, that i used to visit quite often. A strong cappuccino please … Decade of 2020’s just started with a bad news of killing of the great leader of Resistance, Gen. Soleimani. Iran government will surely take appropriate actions at appropriate time while avoiding the trap of Zionist Imperialist designs of another world war.
Happy New Year to one and all who are managing the blog-site cafeteria. Wishing Happy New Year to our beloved The Saker and regular visitors like ioan, Mulga Mumblebrain, Larchmonter, nussiminen, Uncle Bob, JJ, vot tak and all others!
The decade of 2010’s is over – the humankind crossed yet another milestone in time dimension. I strongly believe that, we passed a decade which was ‘good’, and that the new decade will be ‘brighter’ than the recent one !
Why the decade of 2010’s can be identified as ‘good’?
Well, we the common people of the earth found a solace with the Russian Revolution when Bolshevik Party seized power in 1917 (which achieved a tremendous level of material well-being for its 90% population that couldn’t be derailed by its Zionist imperialist conspirator clique) that, someone somewhere in the globe is serious about uplifting the standard of living of the commoners (and someday even we can dream the same for us). Our confidence level went up greatly with the Chinese Revolution when Chinese Communist Party seized power in 1949. However, by 1990s all that remained with us was a simple belief that, somehow Marx-Engels and their followers messed up everything in the ongoing tustle with the capitalist-imperialist ideology and its followers, the world-wide-web of swindlers !
But, as it is said, the more you live the more you learn, we the ‘wretched’ of the earth started to notice flickering light at the end of the tunnel in the noughties (i.e. 2000’s) with President Putin taking a pro-people patriotic stance in Russia and President Hu taking measures on state-sponsored programmes for common people. In the decade of 2010’s the light became consistent with high intensity with enough promise that the coming decade of 2020’s will provide sufficient ‘enlightenment’ of the common people across the globe.
Who would have thought about such resistance (put up by the Syrian government-Hezbollah-Iran-Russia-China combination) to the Hegemonic plan by Zionist Fascist Deep State (spanning across Israel-5 Eyes-France) to create and sustain chaos in Syria-Lebanon ??
— The decade of 2010’s showed us that such resistance is practically feasible – as a result of which, the ‘Yinon plan’ of greater Israel, through destruction-chaos in west Asian states followed by installation of zionist clique in state power, got thoroughly derailed.
Who could have thought that Russia (a ‘gas filling station’ as per the Deep State elites) will bring renaissance in the military domain with hypersonic attack missiles like Avangard, Kinzhal (that can hit anything on the earth and low-earth-orbit against any defensive mechanism) plus air defence systems like S 400, S 500 (that can destroy anything approaching a guarded facility even with hypersonic speed) ?
— The decade of 2010’s showed us that such asymmetric warfare is practically feasible – as a result of which, the ‘First Strike Capability’ of Zionist Fascist Deep State, through deployment of anti-missile defence followed by nuclear missile attack on Eurasian states from land-air-ocean, got completely nullified.
Who could have thought that China will bring new dimensions in ‘access/area denial’ strategy across thousands of kilometres of its south-east sea-shore with deployment of MIRV attack missiles like Dong Feng (that can even hit moving aircraft carrier strike groups) plus S 400 air defence system, along with deployment of a pair of aircraft carriers in South China Sea?
— The decade of 2010’s showed us that such asymmetric warfare is practically feasible – as a result of which, the ‘First Strike Capability’ of Zionist Fascist Deep State, through deployment of anti-missile defence followed by nuclear missile attack on Eurasian states from land-air-ocean, got completely nullified.
Who could have thought that Russia will change the entire energy business scenario of eastern hemisphere by capturing a large market share of natural gas and petroleum (competing with OPEC countries) in the two of the three biggest economic regions of the world (i.e. west and central Europe, China and east Asia) supplying from traditionally known mines as well as from Arctic ?
— The decade of 2010’s showed us that such gigantic exploration projects are practically feasible even in inhospitable environment – as a result of which, the designs of Zionist Imperialist oligarchy to make Europeans permanently dependent on energy supplied by MNCs owned by Zionist Imperialist oligarchy, went bankrupt.
Who could have thought that China (source of ‘yellow peril’ as per the academia and media owned by Deep State/ Zionist Imperialist oligarchy) will lead ‘5G’ race among the technology companies across the world (most of which are owned by Deep State/ Zionist Imperialist oligarchy) that will revolutionise the communication system on earth impacting industry, utility, healhcare, education thereby opening up new opportunities of Trillions of Dollars of business?
— The decade of 2010’s showed us that such technological innovation is reality even in non-western regions – as a result of which, designs of Zionist Imperialist oligarchy to make entire earth permanently hostage to communication technology provided by MNCs owned by Zionist Imperialist oligarchy, went bankrupt.
Who can even dream of a second Cuba in-the-making in western hemisphere – i’m talking about Venezuela ? With all its pretensions of post-fossil fuel economy, the Zionist Capitalist oligarchy was in deep conspiracy to ‘acquire’ Venezulan assets i.e. the largest petroleum deposits in the world. They spent hundreds of millions of Dollars to purchase the political party leaders and defense officers.
— The decade of 2010’s showed us that the Chavista political and military leadership is strong enough to foil all such attempts of the Deep State elites, and proudly stand as the supporter of non-interference and independence in the western hemisphere.
And, how am I looking into the decade of 2020s as ‘brighter’ than 2010’s ?
Being an optimist, i’m counting on the leaders of Russia, China, Iran that they will not treat the ‘means’ as the ‘end’ – to tell more clearly, the actions in decade of 2010’s can be treated as the methods and procedures to achieve an ultimate objective (of a society which is based on equitable distribution of wealth and power among the non-elite 90% population, a society free from exploitation and injustice, a society where spiritualism is preferred over greed and immorality, an environment where human don’t destroy the plant and animal ‘kingdoms’). While it is true that any action should be taken in right time, it is equally true that every mass leader creates his/her ‘right time’. If one looks into the history of how Mujibur Rahman impacted the creation of a new state ‘Bangladesh’ in the 1960’s and 1970’s, one can appreciate how a mass leader converts the prevailing political situation into ‘right time’ to achieve the final objective. Particularly, President Putin and President Xi need to play anchor roles for such transition which, in my opinion, may cover some of the following points.
(1) As far as the regional geopolitics is concerned, the Deep State funded programmes for destabilisation in the entire Eurasian region are spreading by the day – not only the old fissures are being rediscovered by the Zionist elites, new fissures are being invented at a rapid pace. For Iran-China-Russia, passive resistance may not be the solution anymore, active tustle within their re-defined geographical boundaries is more suitable.
Russia should now concentrate on the Union of Eurasian states of Belarus, Novorossian regions, Kazakhstan, and Russia — May’2020 being the 75th anniversary of WWII Victory, it is also time to reconstitute a feasible union of states which is economically stable, independent, and militarily strong. The common people of each of the participant states (except Russia none of which had independent existence in history) should be duly represented and empowered in this ‘peoples republic’.
Similarly, China should concentrate on the union of Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, and China– September’2020 being the 75th anniversary of WWII Victory, it is also time to construct union of chinese populated regions which strengthens the society, economy, and military. The common people of each of the participant regions (except China none of which had independent existence in history) should be duly represented and empowered in this ‘re-union’.
(2) As far as the military deployment is concerned, the Deep State made a series of wrong steps towards funding of military equipments that are dated and ineffective, in addition to clinging on the utterly ridiculous concept that USA/NATO nuclear triad can execute a ‘first strike’ on Eurasian powers. That also inadvertently helped Russia and China to take a lead of at least a decade in the military technology – this will ensure that Zionist Capitalist Deep State won’t take any suicidal action to directly attack on China, Russia, Iran and their (true) strategic allies. However, wise decision is to deploy sufficient military hardware.
Russia and China should continue to manufacture and deploy hypersonic attack missiles, air defence systems, MIRV nuclear missiles, air dominance jets, UAV, nuclear bombers, electronic warefare systems, nuclear submarines, ocean going destroyers and aircraft carriers, littoral combat ships in addition to deployment of relevant components of C4ISTAR in relevant zone – in land, underground, sea, submarine, air, earth orbit, and near space. Asymmetric warfare is the key to success with appropriate attention on relevant symmetric warfare (especially on land).
(3) In the global diplomacy, impact of ‘alliances’ and ‘blocks’ are more than what meets the eye. The USA/NATO Deep State elites not only maintain strong alliances with like-minded country (where the political elites of all colours are joined together in unwritten covenant to support and benefit from the Zionist Capitalist connection), but they continuously increase the ‘region of influence’ across the globe. Hardly any country, today, is out of their indirect control.
Russia-China-Iran need to take proactive steps to create economic alliances with as many countries as possible. When required, they need to use ‘soft power projection’ in other countries across the globe, and if required, they should create ‘pressure groups’ in the targeted countries (particularly in Asia-Africa-Europe).
(4) As far as the global geo-economics is concerned, for over four centuries the zionist capitalist bankers created and maintained the continuous-plundering machine through fiat currency printing and fractional reserve banking. For China and Russia, following the old system may not bring sufficient benefits anymore, alternative mechanism to redefine the monetary transactions is the way-forward that will re-define the society at least in the eastern hemisphere.
China supported by Russia-Iran (and India-Turkey-Brazil-Argentina as participants) should create new mechanism which must include at least two features – first, the physical/digital currency has to be backed by gold, secondly, the ponzi scheme of fractional reserve has to be withdrawn. If required, the monetary system should be completely redesigned in a way that provides transparency to money creation and that provides the common people easy way of access to money. There are thousands of bright minds and fine intellects in China and Russia who can be brought together to devise such mechanisms.
(5) Finally, like many other netizens, i’m also optimistic that, the BRI programme steered by China (and protected by Russian defense equipments) will bring unparallel prosperity (and peace) in most of the countries in Asia-Africa-Europe in the decade of 2020’s. But, in order to achieve that, it is equally important tomaintain order at ‘home’ (of Resistance camp) through regrouping of the geopolitical regions, and defeat the existing octopus-like control of Zionist Imperialist Deep State and and local agents/lapdogs.
Am I dreaming ? Thinking in the year 2010 about the (above-mentioned) achievements at the end of 2010’s, someone could have suggested as effect of LSD. Thinking in 2020 beginning about the target achievements at end of 2020s is not really a pipe dream.
I am in almost 100% agreement with your 20/20 vision, Straight-Bat ….and after 15 years of avoiding it….maybe it’s time for a visit to my optometrist…for some professional attention to the remaining few percentages of fuzzy vision ….on the periphery of things.
Everyone’s periphery is unique to themselves, but many parts are nevertheless shared.
My mission in 2020 may take quite a bit of my time away from My Favorite Cafe In the World…..however I am sure I will report back from time to time, this year…on a few specific areas you have mentioned.
Besides attempting to improve my own vision, My New Decade’s Visionary Resolution includes some dedication to shedding more light on the most serious blind spot of the anti-globalist bloggers, researchers and aggregators of North America: Their lack of information…..and historical perspective regarding the bulk of territory, resources and inhabitants of this planet: EURASIA. I emailed one of them today….and I will share the contents….(some critique of their research into Ukraine….from a Russian acquaintance….from St P) later…time permitting.
On the other hand, besides learning ever more here in the Vineyard, my revisits will be to report any breakthroughs from my modest efforts made in attempting to get any of those North American anti-globalists…..to share in some of the sharper vision of the rest of the world possessed by a great many authors, readers and commenters here….and …conversely, to widen the vision of a few, at least, here in the Vineyard …that Yanks and Canadians (como Mejicanos e Hispanos mas al sur, tambien!) can, indeed, be valuable allies in defeating and burying forever……….The Empire Model…….of Enslavement of Humanity.
Happy and Prosperous New Decade, SB and everyone!
Bro,
Among some of my fellow combat vets from Nam I’m simply Hound’, short for Wolfhound. The Army’s 27th Infantry Regiment’s nickname, officially is Wolfhound gained in the east of Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. Wolfhounds hunt for wolves. I look for “human” wolves and there are many.
What I like about this Saker Cafe is that some tend to look at the long sweep of history to form an opinion as to what is happening now and soon. Others tend to look at more recent events and players for clues. The history I pay most attention to has become “real time”, as in right now. Trump’s presidency, love him or hate him, will go down as one of or THE most exciting of all time. He has spooked the “Deep State”, and there IS one that spans the globe, out into the open and forced to show their cards. The DS players concerning Ukraine, N. Korea, Iran, Iraq, and yes, China, Russia, and especially, Israel, and the “5 Eyes” have been pushed into the spotlight. Look no further than the “witnesses” the Democrats paraded in the “Impeachment”. Ukraine is a major weapons funnel and a money laundering operation thru Kolomoisky. $billions of “aid money” vanished. The 14′ coup was initiated and run by the U.S. State Dept. N. Korea’s weapons/missile programs are U.S. DS for blackmail purposes, Iran too. World MSM is NOT where you will find the meta data or “White Hat” insiders who will give you good info.
There are several reliable sites, including Saker, that I trust for real info. “George Webb youtube” is very good as he was deep tech for many years and rubbed elbows in the “Swamp”and saw the action from the inside.
“In Pursuit of Truth-Patrick Mack” is also very good in putting the puzzle pieces together, especially if you are attuned to the 17th letter of the alphabet. Mack made some interesting connections between NK and the recent hits on the Iranian figures in his report today, 1-4-20 He’s funny too. X22 report, Mint Press, etc are also very good. “Quite Frankly” can provoke thought but he verges on fart-pee humor. That’s ok.
I was 19 yrs old in 66′ Nam. The math says I’m 72+. Through hard work and decent luck I have time and the resources for world travel and following my nose in human affairs. Trust but verify. Things will probably get rough in the near term. Trust yourself. Branch out from there. My best to Saker and all.
Hound
Bro 93,
You have noted very important point as you mentioned “… their lack of information…”.
To be specific, I must suggest my take on this issue –
Not only among North American anti-globalists, but across the globe among all types of anti-zionist anti-imperialist anti-globalists activists (netizens and citizens) correct and complete information on important areas like history, geopolitics, defense, economy, industry remains elusive. Probably because the academia and media owned by oligarchy believe that (common people’s) access to correct and complete information is dangerous to the 4 centuries of accumulation of wealth and power, they make every effort to spread falsehood and create zombie citizens – in every society in every country.
Best wishes for a happy New Year!
Dear Straight-Bat, I would like to share your optimism but at the moment I can’t. That doesn’t mean that I’m pessimist even if it sounds as a contradiction. Let me explain : I don’t share the earthly side of optimism, the kid in me is still there and he is still optimist, sometimes I wonder myself, trying to ask him why but he doesn’t seem to bother with answering to my questions. Therefore, in his silence and resilience, he pushes me to think at the multitude of aspects of my personal life both in the past and present, including the past and present of the entire human society, the causes and effects, the gaining and the losses, the dreams and the reality. Gathering conclusions of the past and making plans for the future in a positive way is a normal view of human thinking because nobody wants to live in misery and fear. On the other hand there are those who, led by greed and dark thinking, have no intention to let that happen, why should they share their power and tremendous benefits with others representing the larger numbers of humans ? The same struggle occurred in the past, the same struggle it taking place in the present and we still have hope that the future will be better, “brighter” !
Many are saying – understandable by the way – “think positively” that’s alright but are they, those actors on the bigger stage have the same thinking ? The greatest corruption of the human soul is the power.
Dear Anonymous (4-Jan 2:52 pm),
Let me tell you I really appreciated your “reflections” on life and society. It is absolutely true that the 1% elite-oligarchy (the world order owners aka Deep State) will never wish to surrender their position of strength. The conflicts took place in past (Spartacus proved it) – it will continue in future as well.
Only optimism will ensure that the anti-imperialist camp plan actions and implement the action plan appropriately.
I am disturbed by repeatedly seeing the writers and commenters I highly respect make references to the “5G race” and it’s significance in world affairs with apparent zero awareness of the well documented biological destructiveness of that technology. It would be at this moment tedious to post a bunch of links, but will do so if I can instigate a thread on this topic. We are all, worldwide, going to be inextricably immersed in this EMF field which not been examined and has many scientists deeply concerned. Because it involves huge sums of money(and power) the race is on, the billionaires naturally, as capitalists, recklessly plunging forward Musk is to put up something like 20,000 space junk satellites to cover the earth. This is like letting them soak the planet with roundup in the name of free market enterprise.
anybody?
Am also deeply disturbed by the imposition of the EMF net over the planet, and esp. with the upping of the ante to 5G. I must admit, I cannot get my mind around how supposedly progressive human beings are leading the charge toward certain death for countless human beings, and am wondering if there is any exit from the coming hell, whatsoever? Esp. depressing is being a parent with small to young teenage children and seeing how they are so reliant on smart phones etc. etc. Regards.
highplains44,
mentioning of “5G” doesn’t really mean that any commenter/writer is careless about the destructive effects of electromagnetic radiation. Not only 5G, there are dozens of technological appliances and applications which have detrimental effect on living creatures and environment ! As the humankind proceeds towards harnessing technology, I’m hopeful that there will be steps to counter such adverse effects.
Personally I don’t think the research on genetic engineering is good for humankind – however I can’t deny there are many positive applications of that particularly in medical science.
It appears that we have, as a society, crossed the threshold of pressing to many buttons, our own.
Thanks SB;
My point was that development is always assumed to be benign, just an item that is inevitable.being presented as necessary. And just as recklessly pursued as the damned genetic meddling. Already out of hand and promoted for BS reasons. The genetic horse is out of the barn, crossbreeding with everything, out of control.
See F. William Engdahl’s Seeds of Destruction to find what they’re up to, which is to control the world’s food.
All these agendas are linked.
Hi. The new decade will be brighter…..? I think it is going to become incandescant…….in all sorts of bad ways……volatile…explosive…..not much more is needed to set off world wide fireworks……stresses and tensions and temperatures are rising much more everywhere in very very many things to a point of no return. Everything could become a desparate struggle.
In ww2 years …several groups set up a certain time of day for world prayer for peace.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Minute
Appropiate.
Another group….
“The Great Invocation
From the point of Light within the Mind of God
Let light stream forth into the minds of men.
Let Light descend on Earth.
From the point of Love within the Heart of God
Let love stream forth into the hearts of men.
May Christ* return to Earth.
From the centre where the Will of God is known
Let purpose guide the little wills of men –
The purpose which the Masters know and serve.
From the centre which we call the race of men
Let the Plan of Love and Light work out
And may it seal the door where evil dwells.
Let Light and Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.”
JJ,
While I agree with your point that there can be indeed ” … Volatile … Explosive … ” situation in this decade of 2020s , can you deny that the earth has encountered even more explosive reality in 1930s and 1940s ? Being an optimist, I am confident that leaders like Putin and Xi will guide their team and utilize their resources prudently and brilliantly to create a long-lasting peace and prosperity in Eurasia and Africa (even after the Zionist imperialist camp demonised Stalin and Mao for past 100 years, history tells a very different story of how Soviet and China created society which tried to uphold equality-justice-fraternity). Every mass leader has to steer through volatile situation with nerves of steel !
J e r U S A l e m
So this weekend I’m helping a friend who owns the local true value store to deliver and install some appliances, cloths washers and dryers today. Our second stop happens to be of a mom buying her daughter and boyfriend a pair of these, they live in a two room apt. Through the walk way, past the kitchen and living room to the master room, and then finally to the laundry bath room. So we’re there for like a 1/2 hour and the only tv in the place is packed into this main room, she is there watching, (he joins about 15 minutes later).
But after a short while I ask my self what is this we are watching on a sat afternoon? My partner is crammed into the closet where these units are going and i’m in the door way, I listen closer, and what i’m hearing is a pain show, and the concerns these people have for their future well being.
Now walking in the front door I was greeted by two very young (very skinny) light skinned black people, couldn’t have been but 19 or 20. And we are tuned in heavy to this pain show.
Which can only lead me to believe that our youth somehow (technological greatness?), is in serious pain, (lot more than I would have thought), so much so that they take refuge in seeing different people who are in more or a greater pain than they are in.
I about couldn’t believe what I was witnessing.
On the way back to the store my partner and I were talking about them slightly and I told him about the pain story, he said he didn’t hear a thing but wasn’t listening.
This is not a good sign for the future of our youth, I hope she’s bringing some people by the end of the day cause there aint gonna be no one to help by the time we get to where it is that we’re a goin.
orlov gives three good reason why the us will not go to war ……..
“First, based on all of its recent experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan and beyond, it knows that it cannot win.
Second, it knows that it can no longer even fight for any length of time because the industrial base needed to resupply troops in the field no longer exists.
Third, it knows that it can no longer protect the US mainland; all it would take is a few rocket attacks to take out the large power line transformers that maintain the electric grid and the oil and gas pipeline pumping stations that provide for the rest of the energy infrastructure and its entire economy would simply stop.
In all, I am optimistic that a large-scale war will be avoided, for the simple fact that wars are fought to be won, not to be lost.”
I think the USA psychology of learning is to continue to try and try again to start and try to actually finish a war on their terms so they can claim success- note DT says he alone beat ISIS as an example of this false ego delusion to prove themselves exceptional and the battlefield will move to space based as he just promised-…..so until then……
Mayhem, JJ
Winning and Losing in war begs questions. “Countries”, USA, Russia, China, Germany, France, etc etc etc are presented by standard media as a singular black or white entity. In fact, they are composed of many entities private and public. The regular citizen who wants nothing more than to earn a decent living while raising the next generation to continue their religious (or not) beliefs and cultural heritage has a huge stake in war. They usually have to fight or support it. Sometimes they are the “prize”. Their elected (or not) leaders may or may not decide to go to war.The Banking, business, manufacturing, military complex have great influence also, apparently, in deciding who and when we go to war. And then there is the “Deep State”. They are multi-generation unelected (mostly) bureaucrats who decide when little and big wars happen so that “resource allocation” benefits them the most. They really don’t care about “winning and losing” as they are basically stateless and can by coercion and blackmail control the “winners”. “Germany” lost WWII but the Nazis live on. Operation Paperclip flowed East and West. My Catholic grade school in the 40’s and 50’s was loaded with their kids. The janitor Hans Schumacher spoke broken english but great German. I’m pretty sure the other kids parents were not all janitors.
What I’m trying to say is that I understand how it is easy to say USA this or Iran that, but, it is way more complicated than that. Putin has made great strides in 20 years in shedding those who sacked Russia after the dissolution of the USSR. Trump is immersed in a Swamp (Deep State) that he is trying to drain. He can say he defeated ISIS because the US/Israel (John McCain etc) created it to destroy Syria! That’s one of many examples.
If you listen to and believe mainstream media, the people who were killed in these recent strikes were the Second Coming. They are not. Iran has a “DS” also. Our CIA etc were/are running ops out of Armenia according to reports over the last several years. Iran Nuclear Deal, Iran Contra, October Surprise, etc etc. Where do you think the centrifuges came from? Trump’s first statement to Iran after the “hit” was that Iran may “reciprocate” meaning our DS pukes are fair game for them. DS likes pallets of cash.
Look; We need a “Toto” to pull back the curtain to expose the “Wizard”. Our “Toto” just may have orange hair.
Trump is an asshole and that is exactly what the times dictate.
There will be no more large land Army wars in the future. Carrier Battle Groups are obsolete. The Earth cannot survive the present and near future weapons.
Again, “countries” are complex arrangements where war and peace are not decided on by me or you. If certain decision makers think they can be safe in their “boltholes”, they may start an unstoppable exchange on the surface. Plug the holes and we got a chance. I have direct experience with holes/tunnels in Nam 66′. They only went to the water table. DS Boltholes a mile+.
to the hound-we all know it is pile of crap-as you said hard work and good luck got you through-I never fought in a war-i don’t think I could have killed any man,no matter what I think he has done-no matter if he is after me .If’n he thinks I am the object of his vengeance-well,there is little to be done.
Dave,
You don’t know how you will react till it happens. I didn’t. After all these years I still relive every minute. Any bitterness is for those that put me in that position.
Steve.
In fact, you’re right. On the battlefield, in the heat of action, every man (soldier or other kind of combatant) goes through a radical change, dictated by the situation itself. Man doesn’t realize how quick he changes into a wild animal, there is no time for thinking, the survival instinct takes the lead. Only after the battle comes the ease, with tremors and sometimes vomiting. After awhile you get used to the new situation, it evolves in a daily routine. You get used to the cadavers and the smell, to the destruction and sufferings of all kind. All these are cycles which cannot be avoided – once you are in the first line. Every combatant tends (by nature) to forget as fast as possible everything but everything comes back again, later.
What was the outcome of Donald Trumps “Draining of the Swamp”?
Wrong Question, Mike.
“Was” presumes the action has stopped.
Obviously, however, it has not stopped, but rather, in fact, it is barely begun.
No, not barely begun in terms of time elapsed (3 years). In terms of headway made in relation to remaining depth and breadth…….and time (5/8) remaining to complete a job said not be possible.
If he’s assassinated we can use the past tense.
Meanwhile, the hardest part (other than The Conundrum of Solving the Great Quantitative Easing Financial Bubble) …..outlasting and gaining the upper hand over Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Hitlery, Obama IS 90% done.
The Question Now Is: What more than that WILL be done??
I don’t have a crystal ball. Do you???
All I can say is that the coup plotters and MSM are floundering in treasonous putrid waters…..and I’d much, much rather be in his position than their position. Because the draining CAN in fact accelerate significantly, now that they have mostly slipped off his back ……..and are currently Up To Their Necks in Deep State Doo-Doo, flailing away less and less effectively, every day.
It is inevitable that the swamp will be drained. Trump and his handlers were astute enough to foresee this and put himself and this idea out there with his candidacy. (If I still used Youtube, I would post a clip of Pee Wee Herman riding his bike, showing off, wrecking his bike and seeming miraculously landing on his feet claiming “I meant to do that!”
I am afraid that the draining will be as when the oracle told Croesus that an empire will fall. ( He wrongly assumed the oracle was talking about his enemy.)
BCP travels to Italy and then Spain and reports on graffiti in both countries…………..proclaiming: “Eroe Assange”
https://youtu.be/cMS7b2TxcIY
UPDATE: JULIAN IN SPANISH COURT OVER CENTRAL INTEL SPYING ON HIM AS MEX PREZ CALLS FOR HIS RELEASE!
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Bro93 and all,
This is a followup on my 2 recent posts regarding “countries” vs Deep State actors. If there is a “Toto” pulling back the curtain on the “Wizards” it just well may be the man in this video. GW ties past and present and supplies the names. Well worth 30 minutes of your time. He is not alone in his work.
Wolfhound
https://youtu.be/vnEJchSAH_U
I believe the propaganda overdrive of the last days has been to install a wedge of worldwide fear .
Every calm and positive thought can only help to deflate the current crisis.
It is Orthodox Christmas eve, go out and breathe the fresh air, look at nature, the sky and away from darkness.
I just read through most of the comments here. I may agree and disagree with some comments. Nevertheless all done respectfully. I am enjoying The Saker website, after quitting the hell hole that is called twitter. It does not deserve my time and effort anymore. I have signed up at mastodon which is organic and pleasant. But yes, reading here at all these blogs and websites, instead of looking at twitter, is a breath of fresh air. It is nice to see a thriving community out here at Saker website. I will be looking at places like Unz too.