2020/01/27 13:00:01
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Sputnik News is reporting that a plane has crashed in Ghazni Province, Afghanistan. Allegedly there were 83 people aboard. The ownership of the plane remains uncertain. One video online appears to show a United States Air Force marking. Is it a USSA military plane?
Ariana Airlines denies that one of their planes crashed.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ariana-airlines-plane-crashes-eastern-afghanistan-200127101145634.html
The Governor of Ghazni Province is saying that the crashed plane belonged to a foreign company that cannot be identified, since the plane was consumed by fire.
Foreign “company” = CIA? Some mercenary company? Something or someone else?
Just a few hours ago, I wrote in the previous cafe some expectations for this coming week, provided there is no big bang or boom. /moveable-feast-cafe-2020-01-24/#comment-751655
I guess we’ve seen the big bang or boom already in this day.
South Front is also reporting : https://southfront.org/us-air-force-passenger-plane-crashes-into-taliban-controlled-ghazni-province-updated/
Yeah. A lot of this is astrologically driven, and no, not the phony-baloney, daily horoscope sort of astrology in the tabloid newspapers. I mean the extremely complex, intricate, ancient science of astrology which is quite sophisticated. All of the agencies use it, and fiendishly so. They know very well the effect of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction this month, and all of the other powerful conjunctions and alignments still to come later this year.
I learned years ago that the CIA uses astrology when I went to a very good astrologer in a certain major city in the USSA, that has a heavy military and alphabet soup agency presence. She gave me quite a good reading, which went off on some fascinating tangents, and as we were talking she mentioned that she did regular readings for figures in the government, including a certain CIA personage whom she named.
It is not accidental that all of these events are happening in January of 2020. There is much more to come.
And yes, the Iranians (Persians) and Chinese are past masters of astrology. There are various systems — Vedic, Muslim/Arabic, Mayan, Persian, Chinese, European, etc. In the hands of skilled practitioners they all yield good results.
And, yes, celestial and astrological alignments and movements do very heavily influence Earthly events. The simplest example is the diurnal cycle of the Sun — night and day — which has an enormous influence on humanity. The shift in the Earth’s axis relative to the Sun as it orbits the Sun produces the cycle of the seasons — summer and winter — which also have an enormous influence on humanity. And the phases of the Moon. Criminologists have long known that aberrant behavior and criminal activity spike around the time of the full Moon.
Those are just very simple, ABC, Astrology 101 examples of the influence that the movements of celestial bodies have on human behavior and society. It gets vastly more complex from there, even mathematical and statistical.
This year sets the astrological tone for decades to come, and all of the heavy players know it. Look for more, momentous events. If it seems like there is a rare flurry of BIG events this month — there is! That’s why. The global power brokers have been playing this game for thousands of years; there is an ancient conflict, and it follows ancient rules.
All of the heavy players know what I’m telling you, and they will try to use the powerful astrology of this year to their advantage. It is a heavily scripted, high stakes poker game game, and high-level astrology is very much a part of the maneuvering.
Watch and learn.
“This year sets the astrological tone for decades to come”
This Conjunction did it: you might have read it:
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/01/putin-leading.html
and my ‘disinformation starchart’:
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/01/angela-regiert.html
Anything wrong with it?
My reading of the current 7 years is this one:
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2019/07/today-pack-of-7-years-2019-2026-was_17.html
These 6,5 of seven years are the run to the finish of the 84 -years- period since 1935
when in the septar-rhythms of the earth-element Neptune entered
Capricorn and the process of resolution of states, borders and constitutions
took it’s course.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/search?q=resolution
Your contribution in the Cafe is interesting
I had thought that the gods would have used the 2 blue moons in a row a couple years ago to advance their cause in some way, but the event came and went with nothing to show for it. I was naturally disappointed in the gods as they proved they are far less worthy of controlling events than say, an ant is over their domain.
Moon is ‘advancing’ her cause on the everyday-and- night level. Moon is lord of Cancer, the fourth
sign in zodiac, after fire, earth, air the fourth element: water. I propose it in C.G.Jung’s ‘Quaternary of
Orientation’ being as: ‘the feeling’ , like ‘thinking’ being a a rationale function.
Cancer, the essential mood-changing female sign, image: the lap; well, what did you expect by Moon?
Moonofalabama reports
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/the-air-war-in-afghanistan-expands-on-both-sides.html#more
Any number of countries may begin to supply Afghan insurgents with weapons and related tech capable of knocking down drowns and aircraft.
I also sent a link to Saker regarding a 58 page essay by Ron Unz regarding a book about the history of Mossad and assassinations. The comments section is worth looking at.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/
Now there’s a claim that the CIA agent behind the assassination of Gen. Qassem Soleimani was on the US military plane that crashed/was shot down yesterday in Afghanistan.
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iranian-media-CIA-agent-behind-Soleimani-killing-shot-down-in-Afghanistan-615652
Could be. Who knows?
Taliban claims they downed plane carrying high-ranking US officers in Afghanistan
https://www.rt.com/news/479303-taliban-claims-ghazni-plane-crash/
“Taliban militants have claimed they shot down a US military aircraft over Ghazni in central Afghanistan, killing everyone on board. US military says it’s investigating the crash, and has not yet confirmed the loss of the plane.
The so-far unverified claim includes a suggestion that the officers belonged to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Earlier in the day, footage of charred remains of a crashed aircraft emerged online. It appears to be the Bombardier/Northrop Grumman E-11A — a surveillance and communications plane, employed by the US Air Force. The wreckage features distinctive markings used by the US military.”
@vot talk
It looks like it is USSA military or CIA, a Bombardier Global Express E-11A BACN reconnaissance plane.
https://samchui.com/2020/01/27/unidentified-aircraft-crashes-in-afghanistan/
The Taliban are claiming that it is CIA.
Taliban Says ‘Enemy Plane’ Crashed in Afghanistan, Killing All Military Personnel On Board
#AlFath
Enemy intelligence aircraft crashed in Sado Khelo area of Deh Yak district #Ghazni noon hours today resulting in all crew & high-ranking CIA members killed.
Wreckage & dead bodies laying at crash site. https://t.co/DL7qwHpcRe
— Zabihullah (..ذبـــــیح الله م ) (@Zabehulah_M33) January 27, 2020
https://sputniknews.com/asia/202001271078148595-ariana-afghan-airlines-plane-crashes-in-eastern-afghanistan—tv/#article_item_1078152770
The “exceptionals” admit it was one of theirs.
US Confirms American E-11A Aircraft Crashed in Afghanistan
https://sputniknews.com/world/202001271078154833-us-confirms-american-e-11a-aircraft-crashed-in-afghanistan/
“US Air Force Chief of Staff General David Goldfein has confirmed that the country has lost one of its Bombardier E-11A communications network aircraft in Afghanistan. He didn’t elaborate on the cause of the crash and said no information on casualties was available at the time.
“It appears we have lost an aircraft. We don’t know the status of the crew”, Goldfein stated.
US military spokesman Sonny Leggett, in turn, stated that there is no indication that the plane was downed by enemy fire and that an investigation into the incident is ongoing.
The Bombardier E-11A is one of two components in the Battlefield Airborne Communications Node – a technology that is designed to provide military forces on the ground and in the air with real-time information about the situation on the battlefield and enable communications between units, even in the most difficult terrain, such as mountains.”
The taliban claim to have downed a helicopter in another incident, but the americans claim the e-11 is the only aircraft of theirs crashing today.
I’m not certain, but I believe the taliban have only short range anti-air weapons. I would guess an aircraft like the e-11 would operate from middle to high altitude, out of range of short ranged aa. This makes it unlikely the e-11 was shot down by missile. But without more info about the incident, this is only idle speculation.
Nonetheless, the loss is worse than that of a strike aircraft, as the u.s. military rely heavily on these aircraft and doubtful there is an abundance of spare crews to replace the one lost with the plane.
Reports are that only 2 were on board, but with the credibility of military reports at an all time low, only time shall tell.
Vot, Alabama
When it comes to the “credibility of military reports” I think the Taliban has the edge by some margin!
LOL
Col
In this context (of the Soleimani killer’s killing by unknowns) a strange phenomenon turned up everytime I tried one source for strange info, namely the site of ‘The Sisters of Sorcha Faal’ (aka Naval Intelligence or whoever), http://www.whatdoesitmean.com (SoFa). I found it too weird lately, but now it might be OK for a weird ‘accident’. Yes, they have an article about it (…/index3112.htm), but everytime I tried to read it, SoFa was pushed aside by another site, reduxmedia.com (in several variants). This domain is vacant and for sale, but has properties: it is German, the little text there is is “clever” in a stupid way typical for Angela’s nazi shtasi, and what it does is typical for Angela and her filth regime, but not for vacant domains: “verfassungsfeindlich”, here impeaching an info source.
The info I caught short glimpses of is that the CIA scum over Afghanistan was killed by a “vimana” (UFO in vedic scriptures) which “sliced” the E-11A as if as a quick revenge for the murder of Soleimani.
Sounds weird but the CIA killer seems to be gone AND the slaves of the CIA slave Frau Shitler do everything for stopping this info to get out. At least here, at my desk, on all internet devices I tried.
Which leads me to my questions, 1: did someone else here try SoFa, too?, and 2: if yes, was it also sabotaged, and also by germ agents?, and if not, 3: what more did they write, and is it credible? And if yes, 4: what do we here make of it?
bp
A longer more comprehensive comment will follow on the Fear of the Big Neighbor (China) thread near the end of the last Cafe…..which leads beautifully to many many resolutions (potentially!) in the current extraordinarily tense strategic situation.
Before that effort I am going to invite Rob….who appreciated the daily update from My Main Tutor:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-01-20/#comment-749461
and another other reader anywhere who agrees with Rob that Harley’s analysis is “razor sharp” to share whatever 5 such updates per weekday particularly strike them as useful………….without considering that I have some sort of franchise on sharing Harley’s weekday updates.
The ones following that which Rob liked struck me as just as sharp and relevant but I didn’t have time to post them…and I give up any imagined (by anyone lese anywhere, not by me!) Harley Schlanger franchise.
Today’s however, I must share as the over-arching context for my more particular remarks later today:
https://youtu.be/qCsMiGsjNcg
Back at the time of the early nineties….while still imprisoned (by Mueller…amarynth…there’s some decades old context here! lol) Lyndon LaRouche, 100% aware of western sponsorship of Wahhabi terror against the Eurasian Heartland…. (See: Storm Over Asia…documentary….from later in the nineties…….after release from prison and many trips to Russia….especially its Academy of Sciences) called for a Four Powers Agreement to avoid a new Empire Instigated World War.
President of Putin has recently echoed LHL’s widow, The Silk Road Lady….Helga (still urging the same decades old, and still needed action!) with his own call ….in the very near term………..for a FIVE Power Summit.
Four, Five..what’s the difference??? So,..why quibble???
That now Putinesque action………….is the context for my following attempt to stitch various seemingly separate threads..for amarynth, for the Kiwi Col., for our Vietnamese comrade, …and any other participant who cares to join us………..together ….with common principles……of attempted cognition….in some small or not so insignificant way conceivably realizing …….Peace Through Development ………of a woefully underdeveloped, fearful and manipulated world.
I’ll be back.
@Bro93
Very thoughtful!! Thank you so much for very kind word!!!
No worry, I know what say about China is really harsh and some people think I am Sinophobic (I think I will try to change the way I talk). In fact, I already read many comments about China Socialist System (I personal think China is more like good capitalist) from people like MC and they are almost same to what I heard from Vietnamese who have business travel in China.
I am very untrust on Chinese elites.
A weird story I want to share:
We already know that Stalin is assassinated by Nikita Khrushchev or the British spy. I asked some Vietnamese veterans about this and you guys know what they told me? They told me that Stalin death by broken stomach because he drank too much alcohol. I, of course, don’t believe it and tell them about the assassinate on Stalin, they have dumb look at (unbelievable more exactly) and agree with me that Stalin is assassinated. What I heard above is the proof (in my opinion) to prove that North Vietnamese Intelligence Agency had lied to Vietnamese about Stalin death to maintain peace between Soviet and Vietnam, and I notice that the majority of Vietnamese from last generation don’t even know how Stalin died.
How about being assasinated by the secret police? Reason? By orders of Rothschilds, the top of the pyramid secret rulers. That had conspired to create the Bolzhevik Revolution in the first place and went on to kill the tsar and his entire family and were behind the WW1 and WW2.
https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/
Stalin was one of the original assets of the Soviet Union.
One reason is that Stalin were employed in a Rothschild east european bank a very anonymous position but well connected via the Rothschild Bank manager for Russia. He may have been Stalin’s real father.
For the real story of the Soviet Union under Stalin Solzhenitzyn is a good source, it is a history of mass deportation and murder , a russian christian holocaust, the planned destruction of Russia.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/03/the-jews-in-the-soviet-union-by-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
So why was Stalin killed then? The zionist Soviet had secret communication lines with the west, and as it turned out they decided the fate of the Soviet Union. That happened with the dissolution of the Soviet Union under pres. Gorbachev.
The reason for killing Stalin was obvious to their system. (The same that happened to Saddam Hussein, Moammar Qadaffi happened to Stalin). He was no more use to them and they happened to fall into disgrace.
The system did not allow a gold rubel. The Gold Rubel was discontinued after Stalin’s death.
The Cabal of Rothschild had left Russia (Soviet Union) to its isolation, to its ruin with a fixed system of communism. The Cabal could find another leader to replace Stalin, and a new leader would follow their orders.
They installed Khrutshov. Khrutshov was made to annex Crimea for Ukraine. Right now this annexation is playing out in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the purpose of that move was to remove it from Russia, the greater plan involve exploitation of the several republics once part of Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7pGPbWWOU
https://www.pravdareport.com/history/9457-stalin/
There are those who believe everything was better under Stalin. That depends on the beholder. Not for the russian people, Soviet Union and even communism was created to destroy Russia .
Okay…Unorthodox Black Sheep VN:
Seemingly Unrelated Topics….. but when it comes to Principles of Scientific Method ….including the Science of Knowledge……..Epistemology……and Human History………..everything is related …in some not necessarily immediately self-evident way.
First a bow of respect to Vietnamese Comrade who inspired this essay, at the conclusion of the Last Café.
Forgive me, however, if after this second paragraph and 2 – 3 more….I give much more attention to Nice English Lady….You are the spark…V BC N .but she’s the fuel that keeps the fingers tapping the keyboard, for subsequent paragraphs!
China is your nearest, biggest neighbor but has it been the worst in the last 75 years??? Or is there another, more distant neighbor that has been Your Bigger, But Maybe Less Visible Problem? I want you to listen very carefully for a few minutes to Mr X….the real-life person from the Oliver Stone movie J.F. K….. the no longer living today Lt Col Fletcher Prouty…..first on Vietnam…then later……. if you have the time or interest…..the rest of his interview…..now decades old:
https://youtu.be/WeW4GcJ0oro?t=162
Now, this man gives a unique, rare glimpse into history……..as his military deployment in WW II was in charge of security for FDR’s diplomatic travels to Cairo, Teheran, Yalta etc. to confer with allies UK and USSR, Churchill and Stalin.
So please listen very carefully to what he says about Vietnam soon enough ( US war material shipments out of Okinawa Sept 1945..days after the war’s end ) but first, in regard to China at the Teheran Conference with FDR, Stalin and Churchill…… but NOT in the history books! Then, if you have the time…the entire interview whose principles of history….decades later and indeed affects the entire planet……..but no part of it as stunningly………as Vietnam, 1940s until today!
Aw shucks! This is already long enough…..Nice English Lady can wait a few hours…or maybe a day. We’ll see!
So I will break January 27, 2020 Café Essay into parts.
THE END PART ONE (But Don’t Worry! There will still be some Vietnam in next parts….hopefully it all won’t be completely alien to you!.)
@Bro 93
Thank you so much for sharing your information to me. I agree with you that anything is connected in indirect, direct, or hidden ways.
I will said that the nature of the elite or ruler class is pretty sinister, gray color. I will take some examples about my country, Vietnam, as an example for many thing Fletcher Prouty said in the video and I hope I’m not off-topic.
1. Ho Chi Minh and Ngo Dinh Diem, in fair point, are both patriotism and love Vietnam in their own way. One thing I find out that Vietnam history class never mention, I heard from one Vietnamese Veteran, that Ho Chi Minh also wanted to united Vietnam in peaceful way and Ho Chi Minh even send an offer letter to Ngo Dinh Diem to become Vice-Prime Minister. However, Ngo Dinh Diem rejected the offer because some of his family members who served SVN army was killed by NVN army, and he distrusted communism so much (possible mainly due to disaster of North Vietnam Land Reform that killed many innocents include many NVN patriotism). We knew that Ngo Dinh Diem was killed by US because Ngo Dinh Diem tried to stop the war between North and South.
2. During 1990s, both Vietnam and China try to normalize relationship to each other so they decided to censore (delete) anything that talk bad to each other to maintain the peace until 2011. During 2000s, the Chinese invasion on Vietnam 1979 was something that rarely or sometimes mention. Some Vietnamese Veteran tell me that the Ping-Pong Diplomacy did not only ties the relationship between US and China but also it was a secret deals. First, China will stop the Soviet support to Vietnam in the land and US will stop Soviet support in the sea. Second and finally, China would claim a large area of Pacific from China to Midway island.
3. Vietnam government arrest many anti-communism Vietnam bloggers, FULRO, or any individual or group like that but they never dare to mention who funded them (US fund them mainly). Vietnam never mention the Japanese and South Korea war crime against Vietnam due to politics reasons.
4. https://www.unz.com/article/was-vietnam-a-holocaust-for-zion/
First time I heard.
5. Three reports that relate to Vietnam from Unz Review:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-legacy-of-sydney-schanberg/
https://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
I truly don’t know if the US POW missing in Vietnam and the part from “McCain And The POW Cover Up”:
I don’t know they are real or not but I just personally believe they are real. I ask one Vietnamese Veteran about this, and he said that it is absurd, hoax, all of US POW was returned to US (and is nearly angry when I explain about Sydney Schanberg????).
Just some example about the true nature of elites in potitics.
Thank you and best regard,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
I see the link in the RH sidebar to a story Jan 25 about this coronavirus latest moneymaker hysteria scam, because all we have to do is think back to that outrageous worldwide 2009 SARS hysteria and the hundreds of billions in costs, lost productivity, restrictions & delays, etc. ,to see deja vu all over again.
All for something that claimed far fewer then than the daily w/w total of traffic deaths of all kinds.
Even if we accept as gospel the number of deaths from that one, not even asking the age, previous chronic complicating health issues (like being on several rx drugs already, as example), poor nutrition leading to a low immune system (which today would mean a huge percentage of USA/Canada), nothing was done to correct the root causes of why the body would not be able to successfully fight off any randomly appearing virus.
Just research the swine flu fiasco of the 1970’s, which outrageously tainted defective vaccine “for” ruined the lives of thousands for life.
Well, precisely. In all these this-flu-that-flu events the personal immune system conditions of the vulnerable is never discussed except in reference to vaccines which must be developed by the usual mysterious labs that more often than not fail but get paid billions anyway. The us-ans and canadians are sitting ducks from the conditions of their immune systems, living on junk food, vitamin and mineral deficiencies, ratrace stress,obesity, pharma junk, all this the failure of so-called health departments(cdc, usda,et.al.) due to the blatant bribery of those outfits by big ag, pharma, packaging and distribution. Even one or two preventative measures, say like sufficent Vit. C.and D, enough magnesium and zinc, all cheap, cheap, would immunize millions from anything defined as virus. oh well…
Remember all the media hype and panic about sars, mers, zita, etc. etc. Perhaps it was a low-news day so creating fear usually works well.
Ahem…Ahem…I politely suggest that you probably couldn’t be more wrong and that you take a good look at Chris Martenson’s latest model projections.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-update-the-calm-before-the-storm/
Well, excuse me while I clip-clop into the Cafe on my dappled grey high horse and take a quick circus break…
I refer to one trusty, highly intelligent commentator being subjected to the trial of being told by another that they did not know what they were talking about, and this after an extremely interesting, valid comment they made that included their own thoughts with the thoughts and experiences of others known to them personally.
What gives anyone the right to deny others their own view points, convictions because they have a different take than theirs, on any subject whatsoever?
Thank you for your attention, back to the arena.
right you are, but
we are experiencing, that what you call view points, are appearing
on a number of different levels, hence a fair number of friends and relatives do
not share with another since the resolution/crack of 2014.
“What gives anyone the right to deny others their own viewpoints, convictions, because they have a different take than theirs, on any subject whatsoever?”
It’s called vanity.
Well in theory the moderators do, so, there is always that.
If I read you correctly, you seem to be saying ‘free speech is free and entitled’…
Is that so?
In the age of blatant fake news, contractor initiated propaganda, and the ministry of truth in plain sight,
is ‘free speech’ entitled?
Again, into the finer details, is that genuine free speech? or purposeful targeted propaganda? or deliberate mis-info dis-info mal-info? or just crazy narcissistic egoist insisting he is right and cannot be wrong in his point of view he determine it must be ‘truth’ (and force everyone else to swallow it)?
Free speech, if it be, must also be subject to correction and scrutiny. Isn’t that so?
Free speech must be responsible and be held accountable. Isn’t that so?
Free speech is not free.
… and if persist, that character of question should be asked to leave
… and if refuse, should be cast out without mercy!
In a larger sense, is war crime mere kinetic action and not to be corrected?
So it is, in the arena, and only an arena we agree, is blatant propaganda-style point of personal view be fit to be classified as ‘free speech’?
Should we not act more forcefully to protect the yourger minds of newbies ‘truth seeker’ here?
Are we to let the fine tradition in this arena be compomised and eventually ruin by ‘free speech’ of particular character in question?
But then, you or one may argue its a form of censorship, I imagine. Well, yes and no, I would say.
I would also clarify that there is a YUGE different from censorship and restrictive speech. The former is blatant works of ministry of truth, the later is form of classification potentially for to good of public. The later, say if one want to quote their fav bible verse, can freely express him or her self at the appropriate venue. So it is, if one wish to express his patriotic chants by dissing another country, he should go somewhere else with the right audience.
This arena, if I am correct, are of vast and wider variety of very insightful and intelligent international audience. To outright denounce a country and its ppl, not of his own, streaming from his or her personal negative feelings and and possible extreme blinded bias, is not only unprofessional but, well, lets say, character in question. Furthermore, if he or she can do it, who else on this arena cannot return the kind favour?
These are some of the question of ‘free speech’ we are mature adults needs to consider and evaluate further. Do you agree?
Let’s hear from the jury. Its a open question and discussion for all :)
Be great if you Anon can share your thoughts as well. Much appreciated in advance :)
Don’t take it to your heart, we are not perfect, otherwise we wouldn’t be here, still, on this planet, swallowing a lot of lessons. We may speak of freedom, freedom but nothing is free, nothing is granted, each of us has to transpire during our learning. The world is like a huge prison camp where all kind of people are bent to live together with more or less freedom of movement which is an illusion by the way but somehow we generate ourselves the hope for better. In another thread, someone wrote about Enoch, well, I recommend to read it, there you’ll find another answers regarding the gods/or wardens who reign over this prison camp. Some people here and everywhere talk about extremes represented by different parties. People tend to embrace one or the other but what if sometimes one extreme is right likewise the other extreme ? Finding the truth is definitely a hard work but without growing a wider spectrum, people will jump in one or the other, accepting one or the other view in the way which had been planned by the masters of deception. I’m not afraid to say for example that left wing have likewise good and bad points like the right wing, sometimes they even have commonalities. Of course, our sympathies make us to overlook the truth and jump in fast conclusions. The earthly gods think about themselves that they are indeed gods, who, led by their positions in power can rule over everything. The don’t, they are victims of their own illusions not realizing the fact that they are also part of the common prison camp, in the same way like the jail-gang bosses have the power to rule over prisoners, being themselves in prison. And guess what : the wardens are well aware of this but they approve it because at least the gang-bosses are helping their job, keeping the other prisoners under pressure, under the rule of order.
ioan
re my question.
Mundo, I think speech and communication are about nuance, contextual validity,
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ioan, a welcome and helpful mix of observation, philosophy and wisdom regarding life, community, and my question.
Dimitar, in the context and nuanced expression of the moment, unfortunately yes, you are one hundred percent correct.
WoW! I am so special and xmas has passed – are you sure I derserve it? or do you think I need more than just hair condition? but I suppose you right, bad hair day right? HA :D still no use if I have a ugly face… I think I am lacking… maybe I should just shave it off and receive transmittion straight from the sun-kiss ball of light? for some of us, all hair products are hopeless it seems… Thanks anyway so kind of you :) I will remember to smile and giggle a little bit more :) be well anon
I have posted the original comment and my question on equestrian free time, and hardly imagine anyone confusing this with a comment by ioan, and doing so clearly fall’s under the category of a ruse, of which the less said the better and this is my final comment on a very significant and important point.
I would like to thank the mod(s) for posting my first comment, the replies and my responses to them.
I was surprised and grateful that even this first comment was posted. Thank you, and deep thanks to the Saker as well for hosting this great blog, with it’s banner of truth and the fight against the empire’s war on Russia !
@ioan not sure if you are the same anon of the original post
you are such a peace-maker :) in mind and in words and in your art :) god bless you dear
For me the imagery is more like – a splinter that is not remove from the wound will cause it to fester, and if still not treated will cause the whole limp, then to the whole body and eventually kill the whole person.
But I have learn to RESPECT god’s will and mod’s will (no choice in there). Saker’s turf Saker’s rules – is the final bottom and all important guideline. I am, also with concealed personal motivation (if we are all honest), is nothing but also another crucible point of view here :) trying to find a way or our way ‘home’ to the ‘better tomorrow’ we imagine and yearn for…
Peace to you, ioan :)
LOL, sorry about bad hair day – the conditioner is marvelous – you can give it to a friend ; )
But just to clarify re my original question, it was not about free speech per se, but the free right for a different take on any subject whatsoever, a different stand point, a new perspective, an unexpected development. (People write what they think and feel is true at any given moment, and that can change as well)
My question therefore, concerned any perceived enforced engineering of narratives to follow given sets of beliefs, or opinions, on any topic that may be subject to change. I think it is clear !
Nah… I am cheapskate… I will bring to the mall and ask for a refund. By any chance you still have the receipt? :)
I understand you first time but perhaps let me expend here abit…
One is of course free to think what they want and there is no way to stop them anyway (other than Thought Police – which is another matter)
…but once it take the expression form – be it written or speech or even art – and further directed to an audience, then its no longer private thoughts, thus the “right” is no longer free.
Why not? Because after the transmitting of the msg, in this cal I just crudely call it ‘free speech’, is in the public space and NOT private (head) space no more. Thus its in the shared space and we need some commonly agreed rules to function, in socially acceptable manner.
So for a start, we should be as careful as possible and as humble as possible since one can never be certain of the ‘facts’ they have derived (in their heads), is the ultimate unchanged truth, or even truth at all, dare to verbalise it as ‘The Truth’, esp with other possible hidden motivation, such as humiliation, slender, lie, flaming anti-X sentiment etc. Such expression, once it is in the public space, will cause an reaction/behaviour from and by others (the listener), and perhaps the person intend to do so, whatever motivation, again is no longer private and thus it does not have the rights, as when it is just inside their head space.
So, again, to answer your question, its a matter of private and public space, if the thought become speech or written format, that determined if the “free right” is still valid or not.
Does that make sense? This addresses the first part.
The second part about forced narrative, is a problem, generally speaking, worldwide since, I am committing the ‘sin’ here (full acknowledge) quoting the bible, “my ppl are destroyed for lack of knowledge”. So ppl are easily deceive, I would say, not forced into a narrative. And if you can see, I was also arguing that the character in question, is just doing that, deceiving and forcing other to go along with his narratives, in public space.
So all in all, this is a deep and troubling issue. But would you call the gov system, the education system, the modern progressive system, a forced narrative? You are already in one, if not multiple many. So, again, I just narrow down to the ‘free speech’ part, that is the expression part, after it is broadcast in public – a shared space, thus there is no free rights (which is a private right if you will).
Let me give you an imagery example – you can do whatever you want in your room, but perhaps not so in the rest of the house (which you share with other family members), and even lesser in the public place (which is no longer your private property space). So you see the rights in full to minimal as you go into the public space. This forum space is a public space. I think you agree with me on that :)
Does that make sense?
Anyone is free to comment or share your opinion. Thanks :)
@? – No, I’m not the same anon, I don’t know what is the cause that my name doesn’t appear after a comment and signing in the Name part with my name, so I will write it below at the end of my comment. Last week I wrote a comment regarding this issue but never surfaced, therefore, from now on, I will copy each comment written by me and save it before posting it. Probably there are some technical issues I’m not aware of.
ioan
?
I am the anon of the first comment on this thread.
Here it is :
“I refer to one trusty, highly intelligent commentator being subjected to the trial of being told by another that they did not know what they were talking about, and this after an extremely interesting, valid comment they made that included their own thoughts with the thoughts and experiences of others known to them personally.”
My stated question clearly related to this, and my thoughts and answers on here to those who responded clearly related to this, and nothing else.
The topic under discussion at the time is a subject open for discussion by anyone. I hardly need to say any more.to make this clearer. I think you perhaps have not read my comment or obfuscate deliberately.
If you choose to make hay with those who are guilty of falsehood, go ahead. (Past observations of this reveal those doing so will be dropped when no longer useful)
Personally I abhor falsehood, have done since my earliest years. and recognize it a mile away. It is why I stated that Dimitar’s answer “Vanity” to my original question was right.
I have tried in the past to to write genuinely positive comments to your posts, as I very much appreciate what you are capable of.
At present I don’t feel that you exhibit this, and what was once your high regard in my eyes has reached a dismal level.
Please take some time to consider my original thoughts and question in the light they were intended
And please forbear any “dear, be well, and peace” idioms, as they strike me as deeply insincere coming from any position of prejudice or non tolerance, and possibly also one lacking in genuine interest or understanding…
@first anon
the fact you still reply shows you at least still care… for whatever reason of your own and I thank you. I did read several times of your ‘original thoughts and question in the light they were intended’ and I have tried to reply to the best of my sincere thoughts on the issue. Perhaps there be a east-west cultural filter issue we have here, and then fruther compound on personal life experiences. I guess we still fail to understand each other – thats ok. Anyhow I guess we should drop this and I wont say any pleasantry that you deem insincere.
“Perhaps there be an east-west cultural filter issue here, compounded further by personal life experiences”… That is often the case.
That is most likely, not often, but largely the case !
However, I consider any construct of east-west cultural filtering increasing defunct, if not totally so unless one wishes to remain blinkered in some miasmic world of illusion.
As the blogger Quite Frankly through out in passing during some political discussion or other, “the Stalinist’s are all in the west now”, (north and south anyone ?)
The filters to understanding another lie in the highly complex functioning systems of the heart in tandem with the respiratory system and the human brain. People think of moral intuition and love as something vague and scary, but everything under the sun is science based in the light of true sense, providing one does not set up barriers to limit knowledge.
I liked ioan’s thought’s on freedom in response to my question on here a lot, when I wake up in the morning I am happy, life is a gift, and freedom of thought worth fighting for…
As pres. Trump is meeting with israeli PM Netanyahu in the White House , he announced his “peace plan” for Palestine. On question he denied to answer whether they had discussed it with the palestinians, and said he would come to that tomorrow.
Well, the palestinian refuse to talk to Netanyahu about any peaceplan and has vowed to withdraw from the Oslo Accords in response, while earlier has called for its withdrawal of recognizition of Israel.
While the Trump peace initiative is delusional, it is also dangerous. The real status of the situation for Palestine is the ICC investigation of Israel that is ongoing concerning the israeli continued illegal attacks and blockade on Gaza. According to international law, the mandate of Palestine, a jewish state may have autonomy in Palestine, so it is Palestine that has the legal status of sovereign country. Israel has as its only legal status, the diplomatic or political UN recognizion by the borders of 1948. The UN partition plan was not accepted by the parties and a war broke out, later Israel was recognized by UN’s political body (diplomatic recognition).
https://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/documents-borders-palestine/
The legal basis of Israel:
Here is the UN resolution 181 that is based on:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_181
3. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below.
B. THE JEWISH STATE
The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Trans-jordan. It includes the whole of the Huleh Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan Sub-District, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State. The Jewish section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat El-Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza Sub-District and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.
The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba Sub-District, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza Sub-District, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron Sub-District boundary line to ‘Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.
Trump is obviously delusional. A peace plan based on bombing the palestinan people, destroy and then occupy their land, ethnic cleansing and then israel settlements on stolen land ? What a peace plan is that.
The recent political actions regarding Israel should be referred to the UN security council because it can only be the cause of war in the Middle East.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/palestinian-leaders-threaten-to-withdraw-from-oslo-agreement-over-trump-peace-plan/
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/zero-possibility-of-peace-talks-with-israel-as-long-as-netanyahu-is-pm-palestinian-top-diplomat/
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/palestinian-leaders-vote-call-suspension-recognition-israel-afp/
John
Absolutely!
It is indeed an extremely simple plan…just keep bombing until the situation [and morale] improves.
YCHMTSU
Col
Probably so for extreme bullies, yes.
The recognition of Israel are linked to UN res. 181. For the Res. to be fulfulled though, an arab state must also be recognized. It appears to be a unilateral recognition, a plot made by the means of USA, that was forcing the issue on UN. Remarkable that the issue of palestinian were referred to as arab. I think that the palestinian were the rightful citizens of Palestine, and they are not predominately arab , at least not at the time. Why were they not referred to as palestinians? This is remarkable. And the UN forced the arab states to go to war over Palestine in a plot by USA. This became the UN grand plan, and people are still refugees or live under constant threat , blockage, harassment and bombing from this recognition of Israel without a clear legal basis!
The Palestinians are the real SEMITES!
Palestinians should be regarded as the peoples of the land in Palestine. Culturally palestinians are semittic meaning arabic which in my view is culturally based on the spread of islam from Arabia which was based on
expansion and conquest under the Rashidun caliphs 632-661. The villages of Palestine were a mix of roman, greek-roman and ancient israeli. There had been colonisation and christianisation. There had also been a total roman war against the ancient israeli that caused the name of Palestine to be adopted. So under the Rashidun
most of the people were to become muslim and to speak arabic. Therefore a palestinian may be ancient israelite. Less known is their greek/roman heritage. Excluding modern palestinian arabs, dna research of the palestinians has found to inherit a geographic average to be somewhat north of Palestine, perhaps the greek islands or even Rome.
references Hadriani Relandi et Vicus Palaestinae :
https://archive.org/details/gri_hadrianirela00aree/page/n5/mode/2up
And jews may not be israelites at all, it was actually confirmed by recent dna studies placing the geographic average as close to Georgia, in reality european jews were as many thought from Khazaria who adopted a
israelite religion in the 10th century ad. Jewish are therefore not israelites and have no historic claim to Palestine.
https://hshidayat.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/zionist-jews-are-not-descendants-of-abraham-palestinians-are/
CJ…[the Ausy lady that doesn’t pull punches] on ‘impeachment’ and the coming ‘elections’ which both in reality are little more Kabuki Theatre…
“Obviously the establishment would rather have someone in the White House who doesn’t constantly put an ugly face on the empire by accidentally exposing its mechanics all the time as Trump does, and obviously it would rather have an incompetent oaf like Trump in office than someone who actively points out the evils of oligarchy and imperialism like Sanders. But the establishment which runs the US-centralized empire is not afraid of Trump, and it is not afraid of Sanders. It’s afraid of you.”
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/01/27/the-establishment-doesnt-fear-trump-and-it-doesnt-fear-bernie-it-fears-you/
Can anybody confirm that Michael D’Andrea was among the victims of the Bombardier E11A crash in Ghazni? If he is among the victims it can not be excluded that Iran possibly retaliated for the Soleimani targeted killing and that we see the beginning of a real intelligence war.
@Berto J
Just as many would have needed to duckduckgo for Soleimani, I had to look up your man.
Interesting.
https://www.newsweek.com/cia-iran-chief-michael-dandrea-osama-bin-laden-619912
But would this dude be flying around Afghanistan to be taken out?
I would have thought he’d be riding a desk somewhere cosy?
I have also seen this:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/cia-boss-behind-soleimani-death-is-killed-in-downing-of-jet-iran-claims/ar-BBZoACQ?ocid=spartandhp
A top CIA chief who orchestrated the assassination of an Iranian general was killed when a US military plane crashed in Taliban territory in Afghanistan, Tehran has claimed.
The US has not yet commented on reports that Michael D’Andrea, who was involved in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and is nicknamed the “Dark Prince”, was on board the jet and among those killed.
The Iran-backed Taliban claims it shot down a CIA plane, which had US Air Force and Air Combat Command logos, but hasn’t provided any evidence. The US has denied the claims.
There were conflicting claims over the number of dead and people on board, with the Taliban claiming it recovered six bodies, an Afghan police chief saying four were dead and two were missing, and a US official stating the jet was carrying fewer than five people.
© AP Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani, center, attends an annual rally commemorating the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution, in Tehran, Iran.
In a report on Tuesday, Iranian state media outlet Mizan, the mouthpiece for Tehran’s Judiciary, claimed D’Andrea was among those killed, but did not provide any evidence.
D’Andrea, the head of CIA operations against Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, is said to have planned America’s killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, who was killed in a US drone strike in Baghdad earlier this month.
The Bombardier E-11A aircraft that went down in the central province of Ghazni was the mobile CIA command for D’Andrea, the Veterans Today website claimed.
© REUTERS The jet features the logos of the US Air Force and Air Combat Command
The report, citing Russian intelligence sources, claims D’Andrea was killed.
The CIA veteran is one of the most senior American spies, joining the CIA in 1979, and was given the nickname “Ayatollah Mike” for his operations against Iran.
He was involved in the hunt for 9/11 terror mastermind bin Laden and is said to have overseen drone strikes that killed thousands of Islamist militants and hundreds of civilians in the Middle East.
D’Andrea was the inspiration for the character of “The Wolf” in the Hollywood film Zero Dark Thirty, which dramatised the search for bin Laden, who was assassinated in a US raid on his secret compound in Pakistan in May 2011.
© Xinhua/REX An Afghan police chief says two survivors were missing and four people were killed
D’Andrea previously served as director of the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center between 2006 and 2015, when he was publicly known only by his codename, “Roger”.
When he was outed in a New York Times report in 2015, he was described as a “gaunt, chain-smoking convert to Islam” who oversaw the CIA’s detention, interrogation and torture programme before he “became an architect of the targeted [drone] killing programme.
It is said that he converted to Islam to marry his wife.
In 2017, the New York Times reported that the Trump administration had appointed him to run the CIA’s espionage operations against Iran.
© REUTERS The plane went down in Taliban territory in central Afghanistan
The Taliban said there were no survivors after the plane went down in the snow-covered and mountainous Deh Yak district.
Washington said an E-11A had crashed, but it disputed the Taliban’s claims that it brought down the plane.
The US military did not reveal how many people were on board or if anyone was killed.
Related: US-Iran tensions soar (Photos)
1/50 SLIDES © Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP
In this photo released by the official website of the office of the Iranian supreme leader, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei delivers his sermon in the Friday prayers at Imam Khomeini Grand Mosque in Tehran, Iran, on Jan. 17. Iran’s supreme leader said President Donald Trump is a “clown” who only pretends to support the Iranian people but will “push a poisonous dagger” into their backs, as he struck a defiant tone in his first Friday sermon in Tehran in eight years.
Photos posted on social media allegedly show charred bodies and documents recovered from the wreck after the plane exploded into flames.
The remains of passengers and/or crew, the charred wreckage and anything salvaged from the aircraft are now in Taliban hands.
Afghan special forces, rescuers and air crash investigators have been unable to access the site, and soldiers were repelled after clashing with Taliban fighters near the remote site.
Ghazni provincial police chief Khalid Wardak told Reuters that security forces were ambushed by the Taliban.
He added: “As per our information, there are four bodies and two on board were alive and they are missing.”
© US AIR FORCE/AFP via Getty Image An E-11A plane prepares to take off from Kandahar Airfield (file photo)
The Afghan troops were given an order to retreat, he said, adding that airborne action is to be taken instead.
Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told Reuters that Afghan forces backed by US military support had tried to capture the area around the crashed aircraft and clashed with fighters of the Islamist militant group.
The attempt was repelled, he said.
He said the Taliban would allow a rescue team access to recover bodies from the crash site.
© REUTERS Afghan soldiers were repelled by Taliban fighters when they tried to access the site
He added: “Taliban fighters on the ground counted six bodies at the site of the US aeroplane crash.”
The Taliban spokesman said there could have been more victims, but the militant group could not be certain because fire had reduced everything to ashes.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, US officials said the plane was carrying fewer than five when it crashed, with one official saying initial information showed there were at least two.
The site has not been visited by US officials or any other members of the international force in Afghanistan, but the Taliban claim to have brought down the plane is misleading, a US defence official told Reuters.
© Xinhua/REX It is said that the plane was a mobile command for a top US spy chief
The official said a preliminary probe showed there was a mechanical error.
The crashed aircraft, built by Bombardier Inc, is used to provide communication capabilities in remote locations.
Earlier, US Forces Afghanistan spokesman Col Sonny Leggett said: “A US Bombardier E-11A crashed today [Monday] in Ghazni province, Afghanistan.
“While the cause of crash is under investigation, there are no indications the crash was caused by enemy fire.
“We will provide additional information as it becomes available.
“Taliban claims that additional aircraft have crashed are false.”
Game is sure getting “interesting” now!!!!!!
Trump not twittering about this!!!!!
It is likely that the Taliban are more honestly reporting the facts in this incident than the Pentagon. The CIA has been publicly silent.
If it is true that the CIA’s “Dark Prince” was on board, and there were a total of 4 dead and 2 survivors whose whereabouts are presently unknown, then has he possibly been taken captive by the Taliban? Was he perhaps one of the two survivors?
In recent days the Pentagon has said that it recovered the remains of the dead crew, and faced no resistance from the Taliban.
The articles that you present here claim otherwise, that there was an armed clash between the Taliban and the Afghan Army recovery effort at the site, which was beaten back.
What if in the run-up to a big war, the Pentagon and CIA spectacularly lose a whole slew of high ranking officers and agents to a series of crashes, “accidents” and other unexplained events? I mean the upper echelon of officials, agents and officers mysteriously going down one after another. After all, there they were, anonymously cruising along at 33,000 feet, secure in their expensive USSA military aircraft and all of a sudden — they’re hamburger! being burned alive in their crashed plane or taken captive by the Taliban and/or being sold to the Iranians.
That is the industrial-sized can of karmic “whup-ass” that Donald Trump and his high command have intentionally(!) opened up on themselves. I suspect that my analysis is, in fact, very much the situation.
Donald Trump very publicly and pointedly asked the Iranians for “reciprocity” in their response to the assassination of General Soleimani.
It looks like the “reciprocity” has begun.
“January 23, Vladimir Putin suggested holding a meeting of the leaders of Russia, Britain, China, the United States and France (permanent UN member states) to discuss global problems. Speaking at the 5th World Holocaust Summit the Russian leader stated that the UN founding states can and must set an example of preserving peace. Putin said the summit might be held at any point on the globe his counterparts would find appropriate and that Russia was prepared for such a serious dialogue and determined to send corresponding invitations to the leaders of the quintet.” Tass.
Is the rogue pathogical psychotic USA gonna behave…..what was the result of UN enquiry into USA not issuing viada to Russians…… will it still be advocating war by various means …threats…promises…breaking international laws without concern or fear…..or is this conference call a wake up or else Russia will have to think of something else eg declare USA a terrorist nation and put UN on hold…..move UN to another location……censure them and let afflicted countries sue for reparations….realise they are not ever going to extend renew or replace existing arms treaties ….what happens with JCPOA ….etc etc….clock is two minutes to midnight now.
OPCW on agenda?
Russia also threatens to walk away from PACE if it does not deal with Russian concerns over WW2 revisionism and still ongoing complaints by eg Baltics that Russia should still be badly and discriminately treated there.
The EU approved additional sanctions against Russia right before holding an EU-Ukraine Association Council meeting in Brussels on Tuesday. Ukrainian Prime Minister Alexei Goncharuk is scheduled to attend the meeting.
Tass
STRASBOURG (Sputnik) – Pyotr Tolstoy, the head of the Russian delegation at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) was elected on Tuesday a PACE vice-president, according to the results of the vote.
A total of 132 EU lawmakers voted in favor of Tolstoy, while 117 voted against his candidacy. Out of 252 ballots, three were deemed invalid.
In general, PACE President has twenty deputies who are elected at the beginning of the year during the assembly’s winter session.
Might even up things a bit? But still be a battle…..
https://tass.com/politics/1113859
Several articles here you can pick up about this guy and what he is facing in PACE and how he is handling it….very determined….hmm…thinks….a potential follow on diplomat after Lavrov?
Such a Security Council Meeting is exactly what is needed now! Way to go.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/27/ratcliffe-meadows-stefanik-jordan-and-johnson-deconstruct-the-house-bolton-maneuver/
Sundance @ Treehouse does excellent work on impeachment.
The Saker Community
…listen very carefully I vill say this only vonce…
And also to anyone else for that matter who has eyes or ears on and is not comfortably numb…you absolutely need to listen to this podcast before you set foot in any international airport.
This info comes from a very rare beast…Chris Martenson…not only is he one of the most respected geopolitical commentators on the globe but he just happens to have a Ph.D. degree in pathology and specialized in neurotoxicology.
Take particular note of these time marks:
8.40 CV is 4th generation already
9.46 RNOT is at least 2.5
17.0 condition yellow…WE ARE HERE NOW!!
18.50 condition red…hope it doesn’t get to this
20.00 condition black…ditto
I really do hope you all treat this as condition yellow. Otherwise, you are risking your own health plus anybody else’s that you come into contact with.
Col
PS Sadly the response that I observe so far in many parts of the world to contain the virus is akin to trying to defend one’s self against an F35 with a plastic broken handled fly-swat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_o624hesB4
Coronavirus is Novel Virus, is created by US military. Thank God my “China created Coronavirus” is wrong.
https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/01/wuhan-coronavirus-pandemic-bioengineered-whos-behind-it-why-now-and-why-china/
Trump’s Mideast Plan ‘Final US Rubber Stamp’ for Israeli Rule Over Palestine
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202001281078157429-trumps-mideast-plan-final-us-rubber-stamp-for-israeli-rule-over-palestine/
“This whole hype over this ‘deal of the century,’ which is not a deal for anybody, is basically giving the final rubber stamp, a US rubber stamp, for Israel to go ahead and control all of Palestine and take all of the West Bank, or as much as it wants, and place Israeli sovereignty or recognize Israeli sovereignty on parts of the West Bank that have not yet been officially become part of Israeli sovereignty,” Peled, who is also the author of “Injustice: The Story of the Holy Land Foundation Five,” told Loud & Clear host Brian Becker on Monday.
https://www.spreaker.com/user/radiosputnik/netanyahu-and-rival-both-meet-with-trump
“Palestinians have rightly said that they will have nothing to do with this,” Peled said.
Palestinians are rightfully skeptical of Washington’s mediator veneer. The Trump administration in late 2017 recognized Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state, a claim by Israel that is in violation of international law. In addition, Trump’s so-called peace plan is expected to allow Israeli annexation of large chunks of the occupied West Bank. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has also repeatedly promised to annex the Jordan Valley if re-elected in the March 2020 Israeli elections.
“All Palestine has been under Israeli control, colonized, settled by Israeli Jews. This is just adding another stamp of approval to kind of the final step, if you will. But the reality doesn’t change. We have 7 million Palestinians living in historic Palestine, what is now Israel, who have no rights. Depending on where they live precisely, their rights vary, but they basically have no rights, no access to resources; they are being killed and arrested and forced into exile every single day. Their lands are being confiscated, and again, there’s 5 million Palestinians living in refugee camps banned from returning … We can see that even the King of Jordan [Abdullah II] is saying that Jordan stands in opposition to this,” Peled added.”
Another class act by the Orange-utan* is this I found in notes:
Trump Will Demand UN Revoke 90% of Palestinians’ Refugee Status;
Seeks to dramatically curb refugee aid into West Bank
Jason Ditz Posted on August 26, 2018 Categories
According to media reports in Israel, President Trump is poised to demand that the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which handles aid to 5.3 million Palestinian refugees across the Middle East, formally revoke refugee status from over 90% of them.;
*Ironic. in malay means “man of the forest”, but this one claims to be up to his ass in alligators draining a swamp somewhere, no one knows where or has seen any evidence for in 3 years.
Oh, Trump drained the swamp alright – he drained it right into his cabinet. :-/
sgage
“he drained it right into his cabinet.”
Yup. The likud quisling trump was a fraud from the very beginning.
Trump wanted to drain the swamp, but ended up having to fight gators first.
That’s true!
Let’s see who gets the upper hand….and while almost all of you, under tremendous peer pressure…..would be loathe to EVER assist POTUS in any way in that fight…………..I caution against Gator Aid!
….in THIS instance….at any rate!
Silk Road Diplomacy – Twists, Turns and Distorted History
https://web.archive.org/web/20140927002210/https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/silk-road-diplomacy-%E2%80%93-twists-turns-and-distorted-history
We need to be skeptical about Silk Road Diplomacy.
I thought the link is deleted but it is not so I decide to post the original link here again:
https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/silk-road-diplomacy-twists-turns-and-distorted-history
We should be very skeptical on the true agenda of Silk Road Diplomacy.
Chinese Elites sweet talks are usually deadly poison.
wanting nothing else;
sleeping on a bed of straw,
with you beside me
The Miracle
When darkness falls,
and the night-watch begins;
The drunkard awakes,
his head in a spin.
Down by the reach
where the shipwreck lies keeled,
The night-watchman found him –
His broken leg healed!
“It’s a miracle,” they said;
“A miracle for sure…
He’s been on a bender
for three days or more!”
Just what happened,
No one quite knew;
But one thing was certain –
that leg was brand new!
When darkness fades,
And the night-watch ends;
The night-watchman turns,
taking leave of his friends.
When the secrets you hold,
Become mysteries untold –
The night-watch begins,
without and within…
“It’s a miracle,” they say,
“A miracle for sure;
He’d been on a bender,
for ten years or more!”
Down by the reach;
the shipwreck lies keeled.
The night-watchman found him –
His broken leg healed.
Just as you are the sickness,
so you are the medicine and cure.
A hole, eggs, toothpaste and fish for a family. File under category of “now for something completely different”, or ‘toothpaste is a neurotoxin’, or “whoever thinks up this stuff?”
https://twitter.com/Brink_Thinker/status/1218287968756142080
My project for the day is far, far less urgent than JJ’s continuation of the theme my old tutor Harley brought up yesterday.
So I will delay it until after I receive another unrelated tutoring session on the micro-issue of raising my boys until they are able to fend for themselves. But hopefully I will get to it later this morning!
Meanwhile, far more macro-urgent, JJ’s comment above:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-01-27/#comment-751780
And more from the site Harley offers strategic tutorials of @ 10 minutes on….M-F:
A Great Power Summit in 2020 Is the Opportunity for a New Paradigm Agenda
The January 15 proposal by Russian President Vladimir Putin for a 2020 summit of the heads of state and government of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (U.S., Russia, China, France, the U.K.)—to confer on securing global peace, reflects the Jan. 3 summit proposal by Helga Zepp-LaRouche, now circulating internationally through the Schiller Institute and other networks. She calls for an emergency meeting among Presidents Donald Trump, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin because of the immediate danger from the U.S.-Iran confrontation, and moreover, “to establish a higher level of cooperation” to deal properly with all crises.
Though the two proposals differ on which are to be the participating nations, the concept of the summit is the same, and such an action is crucial at this moment in history. Now is the time for all nations and citizens to organize for what should be the content of such a summit. …………………
further down:
“By all indications Putin has gone beyond the propaganda phase of simply proposing a summit, into the active organizing phase. Potential times for such a summit were identified Jan. 24 by Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Anatoly Antonov. TASS reported yesterday that Antonov said, “such a meeting could be organized, either ahead of the May NPT [Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty] review conference, or ahead of, or during, the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the United Nations Organization [in September, during the UN General Assembly]. I think the implementation of this initiative would be very useful for international peace and security.” When Putin repeated his proposal on Jan. 23 in Israel, he said Russia will send messages to leaders without delay………………….
and ends:
“Many people hold back because they literally “don’t know any better,” or because they have given up on transforming the world. But now is the moment to address all relevant “issues” people may have, in the largest sense, and implement optimism. President Trump’s Jan. 21 speech in Davos helps open the door to just such an approach.”
Many, however just love imbibing their Gator Aid ….far, far too much ……….to even remotely consider even the hypothetical possibility of such a thing!
Unlike Putin.
Quite a masterful Tutor, by the way!
The LEAD the excerpts are from….yesterday’s:
https://larouchepac.com/20200127/great-power-summit-2020-opportunity-new-paradigm-agenda :
Ta for the extra info bro. I still feel edgy with clock 2 mins to midnight….when USA seems to be relatiely slumbering….it must be planning sumpthin….
You can’t make this stuff up! OrangeJesus is in Kabbalah Numerology proving he is the ‘messiah’
Messiah Complex: Lev Parnas Delivered Chabad Lubavitch Gift to “Messiah Trump”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNiFacfgqR8 by TruNews
if you have some time….
We know what comes next from the Kabbalah Krew: The Krew-See-Fiction!
If you see Fake Impeachment THEIR way.
It’s all about Blind Mob Manipulation.
Careful, now, Gator Fans!
You could land in bed (eeeeeyou!….It tickles!!! ..lol ) with Bolton, just like the Demonrats:
Who Really Is John Bolton?
Many who have not followed politics in the United States, may not know the full story about the knuckle-dragger John Bolton and why nominally anti-war Democrats and the liberal news media giving him a big wet kiss is both so revealing and absolutely disgusting.
Bolton supports regime change in Iran, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba, Yemen, and North Korea. He recently re-founded, with others like him, the Committee on the Present Danger-China, aimed at stoking red scare-type hysteria against China and undermining the President’s friendship with Xi Jinping and major progress on U.S. China relationships. Typical of his ilk, he still supports the Viet Nam War while having taken every action to avoid deployment there during the draft. When President Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea the “Axis of Evil” in 2002 in a prelude to the disastrous war in Iraq, Bolton wrote an article demanding that Cuba, Libya, and Syria be added to the mix. When then head of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, José Bustani, refused to rubber stamp U.S. claims about Iraq, Bolton flew to Europe and demanded that Bustani step down in 24 hours, because, “We know where your children are”.
He has repeatedly claimed that Cuba has a biological weapons program threatening the United States, claims so lacking in evidence and veracity that the Bush Administration itself disclaimed him. According to former Congressman Henry Waxman, it was Bolton who encouraged the insertion of the entirely false British intelligence claim that Iraq attempted to procure yellowcake uranium from Niger, which George Bush first used in his 2003 State of the Union Address. This was a key forgery used to justify the Iraq War. Bolton’s initial nomination to be UN Ambassador went up in flames when people who worked for him testified to extraordinary incidents of abuse, intimidation, and harassment, calling their former boss a kiss-up, kick-down personality who would habitually abuse his subordinates. Typical of Bolton’s sulfuric operating style, he first called allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 election a possible false flag operation in order to please Trump, but then characterized sanctions as a weak response to the interference, saying the U.S. response should make Russia feel pain.
Bolton set up the John Bolton Super Pac in 2013, raising $11.3 million for Republican candidates in the 2014 and 2016 elections, particularly the RINO Republican head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Richard Burr, who played a leading role in the coup against Donald Trump. Bolton used the data profiling firm Cambridge Analytica in his PAC operations, the British offshoot of the British military intelligence firm SCL, founded by Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer. Mercer gave $4 million to Bolton’s PAC, which also received major donations from Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus and Los Angeles real estate developer Geoffrey Palmer. Bolton proudly claims to be a devout follower of Edmund Burke, the philosophical inspiration for the horrendous European Reformation along with the synarchist and satanist Joseph de Maistre.
Bolton, Bannon, Kelly Anne Conway, and the Mercers were all backers of the Tory choice for President in 2016, Ted Cruz. They came over to the Trump Campaign after Trump had won the nomination.
Why was this snake brought into the President Trump’s Administration, particularly since the President has campaigned against endless wars? Well, look at the Republican Party which Trump was saddled with from 2016 forward, a whole section of which is composed of knuckledraggers like Bolton, Dick Cheney, and the media and Washington favorite, John McCain. Another whole section is composed of Christian Zionists like Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo. Mitt Romney heads the old George H.W. Bush section of the party. It is this party which the President has to wield to govern while he attempts its wholesale transformation.”
How long would you, could YOU last in that swamp/snake/alligator pit???
From today’s LPAC Lead, more of the actual complicated and exceedingly treacherous context overlooked by the simpler emotions and blind prejudices of the Gator Fans:
https://larouchepac.com/20200128/who-really-john-bolton-washington-swamp-snakes-emerge
Gosh, what do you know …Nostradamus 93 has reinvented his writing style…well at least with six of the ‘quatrains’ anyway…or then again is it just simply copy and paste without quotation marks?
Whatever…at least it is relatively easy to read… even someone as dumb and uninformed as me can make light work of some of this piece. Looks like there may well be hope for all of us to be gradually brought up to speed now…bring it on!
Cheers
The Kiwi Colonel
Here in the states the political civil war rages on as the democrats demand to call witness but then refuse and get very vocally desperate when republicans want to call the bidens and have joe perjure his self. The closer one gets to that reality that further one gets from the truth out of the democrats, they appear to be in the last stages of life as a party and this shall be a welcome event.
And here on the streets, the military is going bonkers as they attempt to tap into the citizens oppositions phone, but cant quite get the opposition to go along with their rules. They are a very frustrated bunch. The moore they try, the less they gain, but still take the electrical hit of the war battles. The military recruits are endless but so is the determination of the opposition.
And the need of the public to scam one another for money is also prevalent, the older (and it seems moore religious) one is the more experience they are, but the dilapidated inventory is building up as the buyers appear to be few and far between, you had better know your product well and bargain the price down for the weak links, otherwise you become the sucker of last resort.
People should start paying attention to this. The influence of the christian zionists is now greater than the influence of the jewish zionists. I only watched 20 minutes or so, but that already tells the story. Don’t know what I missed, but anyways, the story is in the first 20 minutes if one can put it together. Flush with cash these christian evangelical zionists.
I only listen into 2-3 minute and I flipped out… and just scroll forward to the ‘evidence clip’ at about 13.45 to examine it myself and I was shocked DJT actually buy this stuff and sounded very happy by his tone??? and then there is the Ukies connections and Kushners mentioned and yes, christian zionist, as you mentioned. Not good.
See if anything in the Bible codes?
http://www.biblecodessoftware.com
About 60 dollars…but there is afreeware available….https://www.freewarefiles.com/Bible-Code_program_100275.html
NOTE: may be off-topic and for JJ (and other who may be interested in dream analysis)
p/s Viewer Warning – Leak project features a variety of UFO and other woo topics.
@JJ
This could hep you in your dream quest – Layne actually give you the full 6 steps/approach and give you many examples how to do it. Quite nice as I like the multi-disciplinary approach. I personally prefer the Adler-future approach but it can get candy cloudy and too mystical. All in All sound and straightforward. Use in your own judgement. Just another word of caution/advice – In dream there is no time. Do take that into account. Generally safe (if you do it while in the body on earth) Have fun :)
Changing the Future thru Dreams, Master Dreamscape Interpreter, Layne Dalfen by Leak Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAcEfKhN0X8
Sorry JJ, wont go into the details and personal stuff but I wont touch the bible. I rather go with I-Ching. Also I think the orthodox tradition has their methods too but I am not farmiliar with that.
p/s sorry Col from NZ – should warn on the ‘ridiculous verbal diarrhea’ and TL is not for everyone. Note taken. Thanks :) Once I filter out the artist liberal expression, he does have some good out of the normal narrative points worth some deep thoughts on it and thats why I listen to him. But I respect you and enjoy many of your post here. Thanks again for the feedback. Will put viewer warning from now on :)
I cannot help but notice that this Kushner-Trump peaceplan for Israel has been launched continuously since taking office. So this one must be a great distraction from severe defeats in international politics and especially defeated in the Middle East. There is the question what is the distraction for. We have
1 million people protesting against US presence in Iraq.
International call for war crime investigation against Trump for assasinations.
A US airforce jet downed in Afghanistan, the unknown implication for this question.
PM Netanyahu is under prosectution for corruption in Israel, support withdrawn from Likud, his own party.
Syria’s permanent rep to UN named Rothschild, Cheney, Murdoch and others representing US Genie Oil for Golan Height illegal oil drilling in the Golan in the UN Security Council and US scheme for illegally recognizing Golan as Israel territory.
Iranian precision missile strikes against US bases in Iraq.
WEF world economic forum embraces nazi ideology for corporate business.
UN embraces WEF nazi ideology for corporate business.
Work in progress, feel free to ad distractions we must look out for. WEF officials has indicated that democracy will end soon, so that seem to be the main plan.
A couple of interesting articles about “the only democracy in the ME” (sic):
Israel as a serial murderer: (blows the lid off of LBJ’s deceipt and corruption as well as truman who was subject to intense manipulation by the zionists).
https://www.unz.com/article/fifteen-years-before-kennedy-zionists-murdered-forrestal/
Mossad “record” on assassinations:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/
Good reads if you have the time and interest!
There was still something
All the poets in the world
Could not erase it
All the politicians in the world
Could not evade it
All the evildoers in the world
Could not move it
All the welldoers in the world
Could not conquer
The eternal truth
@John4truth.
Truth is:
I really like your poem!
Much appreciated !
Tao teh Ching ryme but this one is mine.
Tao is ultimate truth, hard to understand.
People are resorting to lies.
game of hide and seek,
without beginning or end;
the one in many
the eternal truth
resides within everyone;
waiting to be found
‘Deal of the Century’. It is just a cheap bribe with undertones of violence. It is made by the christian zionists for the zionists. My mind leads me into very serious sexual type horribleness words here .. :-)
‘Jerusalem is not for sale, your conspiracy deal will not pass’ – Abbas reacts to Trump’s Middle east peace deal.
It is same old, same old – displays no respect, despite the fancy words that Trump was using in his ‘unveiling’. The so-called map (find it on Trump’s twitter) … what shall I say … I have no words excepting very bad ones.
Suck it up Palestinians, we will pay you to suck it up. Jerusalem belongs to Israel – non-divided. Did Trump really talk about the Mosque, and called it something else. Palestinians, f@ck on out of here and go and worship at your own Mosque … did he really say Al Aqua Mosque? WTH did he say?
Its is a cheap sales job. And I followed this – quite a few real bad lies in there. I followed Trump’s speech, but stopped when Bibi started speaking. Cannot do it – cannot listen to that scum. I also could not abide it when Mike Pompeo got a standing ovation from a bunch of christian zionists and zionists.
Well, the 80 page ‘deal’ is not to be found anywhere. There still are no transcripts to the speeches, and the maps exist only on Trump’s twitter. I think today I came to the point that I realized Trump is a TeeVee personality and incredibly stupid but a very good marketeer. Yes, I listened to the speech and now I need some rest.
(save the emotional junk for later Bro! or, go and check out the map and get real.)
There is now information here:
https://www.rt.com/news/479419-abbas-peace-deal-palestine/
The iranian spokesman sums it up:
“They have forgotten over 70 years of anti-human crimes by the Zionist regime [either] deliberately or due to strategic ignorance.”
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/28/617334/Mousavi-Trump-Deal-century-Iran-US-Palestine
I love it .. strategic ignorance. I was struggling to put words to it but strategic ignorance is as close as what one can get. One must actually listen to that speech to get the feel of the underlying bribe and underlying threat and yes, the breathtaking depth of the ‘strategic ignorance’. Israel will still have ‘security responsibility’. So, it is a bribe, carrot and stick.
OK, I’m on page 40 of this Vision of Peace and Prosperity – just going into the Trump Economic Plan. So far, Israel controls all crossings (eve the new bridge between Gaza and the West Bank – what has changed?), Israel controls all airspace (what has changed), Israel controls all ports (what has changed), Israel may demolish what they choose to demolish (what has changed) The so-called New Palestinian State may not make agreement with anyone else without the agreement of Israel … and so we go. Nothing has changed.
The idea here overall is to ensure the Security of the State of Israel.
If you are interested, it can be downloaded at this link: https://www.scribd.com/document/444638295/Vision-for-Peace-Prosperity-and-a-Brighter-Future-of-Israelis-and-Palestinians#download
And here is some more commentary. https://www.rt.com/op-ed/479425-trump-israel-palestine-vision/
Except it all goes down the tubes if a middle eastern war breaks out.
Yes .. that is the question.
George Galloway has the last word on this for me.
“While the ambitious announcement of the “deal of the century” is likely to spark a “furious” reaction across the region, it’s unlikely to have any actual effect and change the situation on the ground, Galloway believes. Trump’s administration will be simply unable to implement the ‘deal’ by any means – even if he manages to secure the second presidential term – and no Palestinian leaders would dare to try and impose it on their people.
“Nothing changes as a result of this, at least de facto,” the former MP added. “De jure, between the US and Israel it writes new crimes into the book, but it doesn’t change anything on the ground.”
‘Mix of tragedy & farce’: Trump’s ‘deal of the century’ is set to cause outrage, but won’t change anything
https://www.rt.com/news/479417-trump-deal-middle-east-farce/
What are the Chinese hiding in Wuhan?
“In the previous epidemics, which turned out to be duds—West Nile, SARS, bird flu, Swine Flu, MERS, Zika, Ebola—there were people claiming the virus had been diabolically weaponized, it was spreading unchecked, and THIS WAS THE BIG ONE. If they had been right, we would not be here to discuss epidemics. We would all be dead. Of course, this history of duds gives these doomsayers no pause at all. They keep predicting THE END. They have miraculously short memories.” (Jon Rappoport, The Underground)
I’ve been investigating and writing about fake epidemics for over 30 years. One of my prime strategies: were there hidden and unreported causes that would explain people’s symptoms and illnesses—causes having nothing to do with viruses? I found them. “The virus” turned out to be a convenient and very effective cover story that would obscure the true causes that important forces wanted to hide.
So I began looking into Wuhan, the center of the current “coronavirus epidemic.” I was particularly interested in the one symptom that was slightly different from the typical flu symptoms from past fake epidemics: the emphasis on lung problems and pneumonia.
Here is what I’ve found out so far.
First of all, Wuhan, a city of 11 million, is called “the Chicago of China.” It is both an economic juggernaut and a transportation hub—railroads, roads, highways connecting travelers to other Chinese cities.
Several sources list the annual GDP of Wuhan at a staggering $220 billion dollars………
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/27/what-are-the-chinese-hiding-in-wuhan/
I suspect all the media froth and bubble about coronavirus is due to the fact that no major news stories were around. watch the froth and bubble fade away as more sensational events take place – which they will.
@ May Hem.
conversely…. II suspect all the media froth and bubble about coronavirus is due to some major event/uphevel in play, and “they” want all the news stories to provide distraction and cover….
… that has been my observation over the past (almost) 2 decades of conspiracy nutjobing…
May
I like your optimism but the increase in cases looks pretty scary to me…perhaps even exponential…having COPD myself I won’t be going anywhere near international airports in the foreseeable future.
A quote from the below link…
“That brings the toll to 6,049, including 263 cases deemed “severe.” The death toll has climbed to 132, according to SCMP.
Those who have been closely comparing this outbreak with the 2003 SARS outbreak may notice that the coronavirus has achieved an important milestone. Barely a week into global response to the outbreak, the number of confirmed cases has already passed the number of SARS cases reported during the entire months long ordeal.
Sars infected 5,327 people in mainland China in nine months and killed 349 people, according to the World Health Organisation (WHO).”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-curbs-travel-hong-kong-sends-6000-medics-hubei-death-toll-soars
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-29/wuhan-coronavirus-created-in-australian-lab-outside-of-china/1190639
@Col….farming in NZ.
Nothing to fear mate.
Aussies to the rescue!
[my conspiratoid nerve just experienced a significant twitch]
White Whale
Hmm…That link has been removed already!
Cheers
Col
Australian lab first outside of China to copy coronavirus, helping vaccine push
In a major breakthrough in the global fight against coronavirus, scientists in Australia have developed a lab-grown version of the disease.
Key points:
Australian scientists have become the world’s first outside of China to copy the coronavirus
The discovery will enable scientists to develop a test to identify people who might be infected, even before they show any symptoms
It will also help speed up work towards a vaccine for the disease, which has claimed more than 100 lives in China and infected six Australians
Described as a “game changer” that will help scientists determine whether a future vaccine is effective, experts at Melbourne’s Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity on Tuesday became the world’s first scientific lab outside of China to copy the virus.
They will now share it with the World Health Organisation (WHO) in Europe, which will in turn share it with labs worldwide — including one from Queensland — involved in the worldwide race to develop a vaccine.
The team of scientists grew the virus from a patient who had been infected since Friday.
The ABC was in the lab the moment scientists discovered they had successfully grown the virus, with Mike Catton, the co-deputy director of the Doherty Institute, confirming it with three words.
“We got it,” he said. “Fantastic.”
Photo Mike Catton said the discovery was “vitally important”.
Dr Catton told the ABC the discovery was “vitally important” and would become a critical part of the toolkit to show if vaccines work, with scientists able to test any potential vaccine against a lab-grown version of the disease.
It will also enable researchers to develop a test to identify people who might be infected with the virus, even before they show any symptoms.
Right now in Australia, patients with initial coronavirus symptoms undergo testing in hospital, with samples sent to the Doherty Institute, the only lab in Australia that can test samples a second time and give a 100 per cent answer about whether someone is infected or not.
But this could all change following Tuesday’s discovery.
As the number of confirmed cases of deadly coronavirus in Australia continues to grow, experts are beginning to get a greater understanding of the disease and its impact.
Doherty Institute lead scientist Julian Druce, who was there with Dr Catton at the moment of discovery, described it as a significant development in the global understanding of the virus, and for the response to it.
“This will be a game changer for other labs within Australia,” Dr Druce said.
Growing the virus will also help experts understand more about how coronavirus behaves.
The Doherty Institute is the second lab in the world to copy the disease. A lab in China was the first, but did not share its discovery with the WHO.
However, the same lab released images of the genetic sequence of the disease, which helped scientists at the Doherty Institute copy it.
Dr Druce said scientists at the institute had been working hard to understand more about the illness, which has already claimed at least 106 lives in China and infected another 4,200 people worldwide.
“It’s been 10-12 hour days, 2:00am finishes; so it’s been pretty full on,” he said.
“We’ve designed and planned for an exercise like this for many years. This is what the Doherty Institute was built for.
“And that’s really why we’re able to get an answer from Friday to today [of] diagnosis, detection, sequencing, and isolation.”
Photo Doherty Institute lead scientist Julian Druce celebrating the discovery.
Australia ‘alert not alarmed’
Dr Catton, who is also the pathologist supervising at The Doherty Institute, said Australian scientific facilities were well prepared to deal with outbreaks like the coronavirus.
“This virus qualifies as a three out of four, so it’s a level three virus and that’s based off our understanding of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome), which are its close cousins,” Dr Catton said.
There are at least 140 Australian children currently in Wuhan, the Chinese mega-city under strict lockdown. Their parents seek help to escape this nightmare.
“It’s dangerous, it does kill some people, but it hasn’t got the lethality that viruses like Ebola do.”
But he said early diagnosis of a disease outbreak like the coronavirus was important because it gave health authorities around the world a better chance of containing its spread or, at the least, its severity.
What is different is how much more mobile the world is, he said.
“I’d still say we’re alert but not alarmed,” Dr Catton said.
“We shared the view of national health authorities that it was likely there would be cases in Australia. That didn’t happen with SARS, which is a similar virus.
“I think it’s something like 150 million visits more each year with China to countries like Australia than was true back then.”
Photo A woman being tested in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where coronavirus originated from.
At this stage, coronavirus does not have a death rate as high as SARS.
“SARS we know had a death rate — a mortality rate — of about 10 per cent. This [coronavirus] appears to be 3 per cent; my personal opinion is it will turn out to be lower than that,” Dr Catton said.
Chief medical officer Brendan Murphy said there has been no known human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus in Australia.
“There is no cause for concern in the Australian public, there is no human to human transmission of this virus,” he said.
“It’s important to note because we had some media [ask] about masks today; there is no need for the Australian public to wear masks.”
Those who have the illness are being kept in isolation.
All Australian-based patients are in stable conditions.
//#Retrieved from my cache…..
Now my conspiratoid nerve is really agitated.
Why the F. Would the ABC pull that….they even had a clip of being on site the moment the duscovery was made……..!
What a totally foolish and irresponsible statement to make when it is accepted fact that the virus has an incubation period of up to 14 days….
“Chief medical officer Brendan Murphy said there has been no known human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus in Australia.
“There is no cause for concern in the Australian public, there is no human to human transmission of this virus,” he said.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
€£¥$$$$ Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic? $$$$#?
In light of growing speculation, most of it wijthin less than official circles, that the official theory for the spread of the Coronavirus epidemic, namely because someone ate bat soup at a Wuhan seafood and animal market… … is a fabricated farce, and that the real reason behind the viral spread is because a weaponized version of the coronavirus (one which may have originally been obtained from Canada), was released by Wuhan's Institute of Virology (accidentally or not), a top, level-4 biohazard lab which was studying "the world's most dangerous pathogens", perhaps it would be a good idea for the same Wuhan Institute of Virology to remove the following "help wanted" notice, posted on November 18, 2019, according to which the institute is seeking to hire one or two post-doc fellows, who will use "bats to research the molecular mechanism that allows Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses to lie dormant for a long time without causing diseases." ………. The full job posting, which can still be found on the Wuhan Institute of Virology website can be found here (and screengrabbed below as it will be gone within a few hours). And google translated: Why is this notable? Because as it turns out, this is a job posting for the lab of Dr. Peng Zhou (周鹏), Ph.D., a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Leader of the Bat Virus Infection and Immunization Group.
Some more on Zhou's background from the Institute (google translated): He received his PhD in Wuhan Virus Research Institute in 2010 and has worked on bat virus and immunology in 》 Australia 《 and Singapore. In 2009 , he took the lead in starting the research on the immune mechanism of bat long-term carrying and transmitting virus in the world.
So far, he has published more than 30 SCI articles, including the first and corresponding author's Nature , Cell Host Microbe and PNAS . At present, research on bat virus and immunology is continuing, and it has received support from the National "You Qing" Fund, the pilot project of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the major project of the Ministry of Science and Technology. Below is a list of several recent papers published by Dr. Zhou Which brings us to the punchline: courtesy of the Wuhan institute of virology, here is a press release from Dr Zhou's lab titled "How bats carry viruses without getting sick": Bats are known to harbor highly pathogenic viruses like Ebola, Marburg, Hendra, Nipah, and SARS-CoV, and yet they do not show clinical signs of disease.
In a paper published in the journal Cell Host & Microbe on February 22, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China find that in bats, an antiviral immune pathway called the STING-interferon pathway is dampened, and bats can maintain just enough defense against illness without triggering a heightened immune reaction. "We believe there is a balance between bats and the pathogens they carry," says senior author Peng Zhou. "This work demonstrated that in order to maintain a balance with viruses, bats may have evolved to dampen certain pathways."
In humans and other mammals, an immune-based over-response to one of these and other pathogenic viruses can trigger severe illness.
For example, in humans, an activated STING pathway is linked with severe autoimmune diseases.
"In human history, we have been chasing infectious diseases one after another," says Zhou, "but bats appear to be a 'super-mammal' to these deadly viruses."
By identifying a weakened but not defunct STING pathway, researchers have some new insight into how bats fine-tune antiviral defenses……….
China coronavirus: what you need to know
A surge in cases on the eve of the country’s major annual holiday prompted concerns about
the spread of the disease
Here is what we know so far
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047066/what-do-you-need-know-about-new-coronavirus-china
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‘Made in China’: how Wuhan coronavirus spread anti-Chinese racism like a disease
through Asia
Xenophobic chatter about Chinese eating habits is going viral on the internet
Such ignorance isn’t just unpalatable – in misdiagnosing the problem, it’s dangerous, too
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3048104/made-china-how-wuhan-coronavirus-spread-anti-chinese
Russia Insight
Putin’s New Team! Who Is Who In The New Russian Government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbIGndJlwgM
Be careful Russia Insight,
They are the part of Neo Nazi Charles Bausman Russia Insider. I don’t know why the youtube channel change the name from “Russia Insider” to “Russia Insight”. This is some proof for their Neo Nazi behavior.
http://www.russianinsight.com/hitler-is-loved-as-a-hero-across-much-of-3rd-world-india-pakistan-egypt-indonesia-turkey-philippines-middle-east/
http://www.russianinsight.com/the-russian-church-in-exile-strongly-and-rightly-supported-hitlers-invasion-of-russia-the-amazing-hidden-history/
It’s a TRAP!!
And Quite An Odd One At That!
At first I thought your links were warning of a delusion….but evidently not, especially when so many of the commenters can’t keep their straight right arms from jerking up at a 45 degree angle, with palm down!
However I am not so sure that the link provided by Azorka is affiliated with your links.
Probably the Hilter Fan Club (Russian???) Insider/Insight and this you tube Insight Channel are not affiliated??
Especially from the comments, like this interchange with the closest thing (and he’s covert…not overt….and quite possibly even unaware!) to a Nazi/Rossophobe being a certain Mr McKenna, who is vastly outnumbered by Russophile commenters, with not one Adolf admirer amongst them…and all chiding him for his NATOist stand:
Lone Ranger
1 day ago
Ukronazis will cry and rage especially Bill McKenna ;)
William McKenna
14 hours ago
Lone Ranger. Since the people of Ukraine elect their own government while the Russian people do not, won’t the Russian people cry and rage? Or are they too stupid to be trusted to elect their own government. In Soviet Russia, government elects the voters.
Lone Ranger
14 hours ago
@William McKenna
Wrong as usual.
Ukrainian govt is elected by the CIA and local oligarchs.
Russian govt is elected by the Russian people.
Have fun being a CIA lapdog ;)
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kat kin
11 hours ago
William McKenna What a load of crap. Russian polling places are WAY more transparent than the dysfunctional no paper trail systems that remain in the US. In Russia all election places are monitored and videos can be viewed by the general public. All elections are paper based and paper records are kept. There are no black box digital polling places that obscure voting records like in the US. You are totally FOS.
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Everyone needs be careful about old political land mines from the 1930’s and 1940’s.
Especially the poor Poles!
Oh my GOD!!!!
The Torment
The Torture
And the Talmud……next from Israel Shamir…..which I would title “The Shame Game” or “Gauntlet of Guilt” which many people far and wide are STILL caught up in…but few so tragically…..so pathetically….. as the Poles!
Comin’ right up.
The original link from Azorka1861, has a bunch of Vesti News videos chained – nothing wrong with those – we post the most important ones regularly on The Saker.
Russia Insight looks like an online aggregator of news stories about Russia. I don’t know who runs it, but you can find everything they aggregate on better sites anyway. It is just the same business model as Zerohedge. They pump the headlines, but in many cases, they change the headlines so that one cannot immediately figure out that it is just news aggregation. They aggregate from Tass, The Moscow Times, RT, Sputnik and a bunch more. They aggregate from an outfit called Meduza, which looks to me like 5th column stuff. I do not see a preponderance of white supremacist sites aggregated, like on ‘Russia Insider’ for example. I also do not see much advertising so I don’t know where their money comes from.
No need to be careful so far, but really, give the original sites the benefit of your click. And don’t forget the Russian sites listed on The Saker – Top bar, right hand side – News Sources.
The Russian Insight is not the same as the Russia (without n) Insight.
Russian Insight – What the world is saying about Russia
It aggregates the latest stories, tweets and videos about Russia from around
the world. Updated every minute, this website is an English-language primer
on all things Russia.
The Russia Insight is the Russia Insider TV
https://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaInsiderTV
@amarynth, Bro93, Azorka1861, and everyone
In case you guys don’t notice my explain about the Russia Insider:
Removed. Please stop pushing your views about another site over and over. Mod.
This is a very thoughtful discussion about the coronavirus with Dr. Paul Cottrell
At 23:58 the doctor begins talking about how the pandemic involves the New World Order, Globalists taking control of the event, Neo-Cons, the middle east, etc, as if he writes for the Saker. Maybe he could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJr5ZeHIe_M
Let's do a mid-game corona virus recap from the commentary box…..
¤ Wuhan has a Level 4 bio hazard lab…
¤ An employ from this lab has been researching bats, and their ability to be infected with Ebola and SARS and corona beer, while remaining healthy.
¤ Wuhan lab guy also looking at transmission from bats to humans
¤ Early initial reports linked the "novel" corona-chan to bat eating and bats at the Wuhan market.
¤ Wuhan is a major major major transport hub.
¤ Corona-chan made its appearance right at the start of lunar new year, impacting travel plans for China and extended Asia/world.
¤ Wuhan lab guy studied bats and virus transmission in Australia.
¤ Australia is identified/nominated right at the start of the alarm to be the country to "solve" the problem.
¤ Within a week…. Australia announces a major break-through in de-bugging the corona-chan bat bug.
Cute. Isn't it.
Almost "made for TV"…
Some links:
Dr Peng Zhou. Wuhan batboy researcher:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
Aussies in to bat:
https://www.sciencealert.com/australian-scientists-asked-to-make-coronavirus-vaccine-at-unprecedented-speed
Nice bio hazard lab you got. Shame if a bug were to slip out.
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487
Why The Pentagon Collects And Studies Bats-
Bats are allegedly the reservoir hosts to the Ebola Virus, 》Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), 《 and other deadly diseases.
https://www.sott.net/article/375723-Pentagon-Biological-Weapons-Program-Never-Ended-US-Bio-labs-Around-The-World
Nice work there White Whale :)
I’ll add 2 more points of observation – both Xi and Lee, No.1 and No.2 man in the standing committee of CCP, has been quite vocal and even showed up in the streets of Wuhan, to ‘monitor things’…
This is the REAL BATSHITCRAZY, ppl!
Francis Boyle: Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsyujjitOFM
Published on Jan 30, 2020
Dr. Francis Boyle discusses the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China and the Biosafety Level 4 laboratory (BSL-4) from which he believes the infectious disease escaped. He believes the virus is potentially lethal and an offensive biological warfare weapon or dual-use biowarfare weapons agent genetically modified with gain of function properties, which is why the Chinese government originally tried to cover it up and is now taking drastic measures to contain it. The Wuhan BSL-4 lab is also a specially designated World Health Organization (WHO) research lab and Dr. Boyle contends that the WHO knows full well what is occurring.
https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-battle-for-auschwitz/
and Part II:
https://www.unz.com/ishamir/battle-for-auschwitz-ii/
(The Photo of Putin and Bibi is priceless!)
A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words…………but Shamir is A Great Writing Tutor in getting the most impact with the shortest sentences. And then proving his point with only a few more.
Such as:
1) “Gratitude is not a strong feature of the Polish national character:”
This follows close behind the opening paragraph of this Choppy Etude:
“On Friday, January 17, 2020, three thousand salvos shook the earth of the Russian capital city; the sky over Moscow had been emblazoned by glorious fireworks. This was the repeat of the memorable salute given seventy-five years ago, on January 17, 1945 by 24 salvos of 324 heavy cannons at liberation of Warsaw by the Red Army. Ruined Warsaw had been saved from total loss.”
The Proof of Polish Ingratitude:
” The Polish government ignored the event. Instead, the Poles destroyed the memorials and tombs of Russian soldiers. It was mighty annoying, but much less important than Warsaw’s decision to establish the US radar system of a European missile shield on its soil, the system that made a sudden US nuclear strike on Russia a very tangible possibility. Poland’s effort to undermine Russia’s pipeline to Germany; Poland’s invitation of US armour to take positions on its eastern border; Poland’s endless hostility to Russia in the Europarliament made the Russians to view this old founding member of the Warsaw Pact as its enemy No. 1 in the European continent.”
And Surprise!:
2) “You won’t be amazed that the Russians had used a good opportunity to pay tit for tat.”
The Prelude to the Punchy Proof:
“This opportunity came from the Jewish offensive against Poland. The Jews attacked this anti-Communist eastern bulwark of the West from two sides at once, powerful US Jewry and the mighty Jewish state. Or almost at once. American Jews began the operation by pushing through the obsequious Congress Bill S. 447 (it became the Public Law No. 115-171) . This bill told Poland to cough up $300 Billion to American Jewish organisations.”
And:
3) “Israel and American Jews keep the pressure on Poland.”
Proof:
“They call Auschwitz a “Polish concentration camp”, which offends the Poles very much. They say that many Poles helped the Nazis to realise the “final solution to the Jewish question.” Poles made a law forbidding saying that; the Jews took to chanting it in the streets.”
First you get robbed blind by “friends” and then this, from Putin the Punisher:
4) “President Putin is aware of the Polish controversy, and he decided to show the Poles that their relentless hostility to Russia just does not pay.”
Quod erat demonstratum:
” A few weeks ago on December 24, at the meeting of the Russian Ministry of Defence, Putin presented certain documents of the World War Two period, attesting to the rabidly anti-Jewish attitude of the pre-war Polish leadership. For instance, Jozef Lipsky, the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany until 1939, told the Germans that the Poles would erect a monument to the Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler in Warsaw if he were to rid Poland of its Jews. “Such an anti-Semitic pig!” – exclaimed Putin indignantly.”
Ouch! An Endless Shame Game Gauntlet! Which end is worse, the Eastern or the Western End?? Sigh.
You get the picture??
Part II is just as good. Sampler, not even a sentence, just a phrase of more subtle nuance, regarding the visitors to Israel for….”……. the Auschwitz Forum in Yad Vashem, The World Holocaust Remembrance Center: kings, presidents, prime ministers; a living proof the Jews have some pull in the world.”
Prince Charles, Macron…..and:
…
“…..the mighty US of A sent VP Pence, this supreme achievement of AI (he looks almost human, though not quite). ”
With that I’ll chuckle myself to sleep! But pray for Poland at the same time……….
G’night!
Hi Bro,
„ … pray for Poland at the same time…“ Nice Guy! I never knew you had a tender heart, but now I see and thank you for that. What more can I say at 03:00 local time? Let‘s try:
Imagine that in the aftermath of the Trump failure Mexico and Canada meet in Havanna to solve the problem with those eternal trumpers. Surprisingly they find out that both of them see no need for the further existence of Trumpland – „The whole world will thank us!“ – and so they convene to each take his part of „The Territory in Question“(the hot states for Mexico, the cool ones for Canada) and the position of the Canadian chieftain will from now on sound „President of Canada and America“. Since the coffee in Havanna was really good, Cuba will get Florida – „only swamps anyway“. Wouldn‘t that be the ideal solution for all the world‘s problems? Everybody loves it! Then imagine that during the next world war – there are always world wars, God wanted it this way, one can‘t change it – suddenly some bushrunners from Virginia, on horses, screaming loudly, how impolite! – turn up, whom everybody had thought helpless or dead or both, „how dare they!“ – and scream and shoot so much that the Glorious armies of CanadAmerica and Mexico choose not to resist these madmen too much… and in the end they have the insolence to steal a big (much too big for such ones!) territory, name it illegally „America“ (although this trademark is now Canadian), and introduce new laws, „Robber Rights“, as the furious but uncapable Canadians and Mexicans shout when no madman is present. Then, 100 years later, the glorious fuehrer of Canada proudly launches his trick to decapitate the rulers of unloved new Murica by cleverly packing them into only one plane which was cleverly exploded leaving no one alive which was then cleverly explained away up by a mock investigation that said „Who steals our territory can obviously not steer a plane – they can only be guilty themselves of their death and, yes, they a_r_e_!“ And after this great victory over people who had reconciliation in mind when they were slaughtered …somehow like the Soleimani act, isn‘t it?… everybody expects that scum to never ever say beep again – but they have the audace of still speaking out… – so that a big new campaign has to be started for securing the endsieg over these nasty, unruly targets: „These swines…“ the new liberator sets the tone… and now it is your and mine duty to play being the church choir who melodically repeats „These swines, these swines…“
It is then so nice to hear one (1) voice, whispering „… „but I‘ll pray for them at the same time…“
Thank you, Sir.
bp
Jànos Arany
Civilisation (Civilizàcio) – 1877
In the past the warring nations
Did not follow any precept:
The strong plundered what he could, and
Everything he looted, he kept.
That has changed now, as the world has
A more legalistic flavour:
When the strong now do some mischief
They confer and – vote in favor.
Translated by Zollman, Peter
Jànos Arany – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1nos_Arany
Iran’s money from exports of gas and electricity has piled up to $5 billion in a bank account in Iraq, but Tehran cannot transfer it because of the US sanctions, an official says.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/29/617374/Iran-Iraq-gas-electricity-exports-US-sanctions
Harley’s Wednesday Update on Impeachment & Trump’s Middle East Peace Plan:
https://youtu.be/mU6GHSKG1B8
The Plan is deeply flawed, by staying within an Imperial framework designed by the exact same people that want to turn The Deplorables, as Hitlery regards them………….from confused citizens into permanently enslaved subjects of Empire…………and its parliamentary system: The British Ruling Class, The City of London……and its colonial satellite, Wall Street.
The very same people running the mind control Russia, Russia, Russia Impeachment Scam.
LPAC has more on that connection, zeroing in on obvious Anglo-Zionist Anti- Trumper Michael Bloomberg over the last couple of days:
https://larouchepac.com/20200122/mike-bloomberg-dossier
There is a video by 30 year anti-Mueller legal aid and intelligence specialist Barbara Boyd imbedded within that link. Here’s the printed intro:
“As the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump gets underway, it is now possible to clearly see the overall strategy of the world’s globalist oligarchy who are determined to remove him from office and swallow any remaining independence of the United States in the process. That strategy consists of (1) a drawn-out impeachment proceeding challenging the very premises of the U.S. Constitution and its presidential and electoral system, (2) a continuous mobilization of extant imperial assets in the Middle East and in other world hotspots to pull Trump into another endless war, and (3) the use of a wall of billions of dollars in cash to fund information warfare and political profiling operations, centered in the campaign of Michael Bloomberg.
The immediate context for this attack is — as it has been — the inevitable implosion of the fatally flawed present world financial system, centered in the City of London and Wall Street, and a President of the United States who is a builder and refuses to go along with the financiers’ plans to once again preserve their wealth at the expense of the world’s citizens, particularly its workers, whose benefit and creative potential Donald Trump insists must be at the center of all economic policies.”
But most of you have been not so subtlely profiled to either reject that “for the people” possibility absolutely 100% from the outset….OR if you’re not a US Citizen…to write off every single MAGA aspirer to non-Imperial Subject status……right along with Trump….AND the libtard impeachers
Just as many Westerners, and some Asians……….profiled by the same Imperial Mind Benders….. cause many to believe that nothing good………… could ever possibly come out of the current government of China!
The Wizards of “Geopolitics” gloat at their success and maintain enormous confidence in the continued and eternal stupidity of their victims: The Entire Human Race…which they would sooner incinerate in WW III…….than free from their ideological “divide and conquer” control.
But I don’t write off all of the English. Or all others within their “Commonwealth”.
Because doing so would be falling into the same trap.
That, next.
There is hope against the hierarchy of technocrats running the world for their own benefits:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/29/china-epidemic-the-strange-role-of-the-middle-class/
Yes, and We have our own homegrown “scholar-monsters” too
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
Sorry about the source on this one, but the information is OK. And we have those visionary leaders who know the old clamp down and repress ways of medieval times really won’t work in the long run
https://www.timesofisrael.com/irans-rouhani-slams-disqualification-of-thousands-from-running-for-parliament/
The British tabloid Daily Mail has just announced that all flights from the UK to Beijing and Shanghai have been suspended, and no bookings are accepted at the moment. Flight to HK continue. This information is also in the British Airways website. Additionally, United Airlines has also suspended flights to China.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7941645/British-Airways-suspends-flights-mainland-China-amid-growing-coronavirus-crisis.html/
Is this a war against China, or just fear of the coronavirus?
MC, it is probably both those things.
Lufthansa has also cancelled flights to China.
@amarynth, Bro93, and anyone else
I post my comment here to get more attention.
I decide to explain why I think Russian Insight is ‘subsidiary’ of Russia Insider
In case anyone don’t know about the Russia-Insider Scandal:
/the-scandal-at-russia-insider-saker-message/
https://akarlin.com/2016/04/scandal/
Let talk about the youtube channel Russia Insight.
Today: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvBcst08Tfo4VNtIaRPTNw
In 2014: https://web.archive.org/web/20140915070320/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvBcst08Tfo4VNtIaRPTNw
I watch Russia Insider you channel about 2 years since the 2016 and I am 100% sure that the video on Russia Insight youtube channel is exactly same to Russia Insider youtube channel. In conclusion, Russia Insight youtube channel is Russia Insider.
During 2016-2017, Russia Insider youtube channel just post the pro-Russia reports meanwhile the official website Russia Insider post many pro-Nazi news with the mixing of amateur and expert, and they also posted many pro-Russia from RT, TASS, Sputnik, etc. at the same time but I find out that in the recently time Russia Insider seem post more pro-Nazi than pro-Russia. Even some Martyanov’s report was used for Russia Insider own agenda. Mr. Martyanov responsed to Russia Insider:
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/10/statement-on-russia-insider.html
If you go to russianinsight.com and use search engine to find “hitler”, you guys will find out that the Russian Insight behavior is exactly same to Russia Insider behavior by the result from search engine. Russian Insight just post the pro-Russia into front page to build the “anti-imperialism” clothes, meanwhile the website still promote pro-Nazi propaganda behind people back. In my own conclusion, Russian Insight website is the ‘subsidiary’ of Russia Insider.
My own theory:
Russian Insight and the youtube channel Russia Insight was created by Russia Insider to make more money from Russian and anti imperialism audiences because they will lose more money from anti-imperialism audiences especially the Russian if they just use Russia Insider and its name, that has Nazi Propaganda. They may begin to lose money during 2017 so Russia Insider decide to change the name of youtube channel from “Russia Insider” to “Russia Insight” and create the website russianinsight.com to lure the new audiences, especially the anti-Nazi one and people who don’t know anything about the hidden connection between Russia Insight and Russia Insider, so can make more moneys against from the audience views.
This is reason why I say that Russia Insight is the website of Neo Nazi Charles Bausman. The website post anti-imperialism reports does not mean they are good person.
So be careful on anything. In radical, I suggest people should always be skeptical on anything 24hrs/24hrs.
Yes, u BS vn, we get the need for attention and also the need for skepticism.
Azorka is a long time poster that is not in the habit of posting nonsense. We try to avoid that here but the Cafe is more forgiving.
Of all that you posted, The Saker and Smoothie are reliable.
News aggregators, they are just aggregating – no need to be scared, just need to be aware of what one is working with.
Please take a look at what the poster said and as I expected, the link was vetted sufficiently and there is no reason to create yet another conspiracy because there is no conspiracy.
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-01-27/#comment-752542
Reliable Russian sites for beginners are on The Saker drop down menu, top, under news sources, and of course on The Saker itself. But of course, you may enjoy it to read about old scandal. But it is not today’s scandal and things have changed so much that conspiracy cannot be created around that – its done and already sorted out years ago. No need to build ‘theory’.
That’s “the World” the U.S.A. likes to propagandise… Justice & so called Human Rights
always bloody compromised… Humanism has become a swearword…. hence human
lives really don’t count on the “wrong side” of its paradigm… misery, hardship, poverty,
injustice, prejudice, racism, tragedy and death all excusable for the greater greed and
its evil of projected hegemony at all costs… and it’s effecting destructively millions and
millions of people all around this globe. . .
Colombia: 27 Social Leaders Killed in 27 days of 2020
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Colombia-27-Social-Leaders-Killed-in-27-days-of-2020-20200128-0014.html
Novel take on detecting supposedly breakout clusters in disease outbreaks like the present Wuhan coronavirus (huge family includes cold & flu viruses).
https://www.wired.com/story/ai-epidemiologist-wuhan-public-health-warnings/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
But he does have one trick up his sleeve: access to global airline ticketing data that can help predict where and when infected residents are headed next. It correctly predicted that the virus would jump from Wuhan to Bangkok, Seoul, Taipei, and Tokyo in the days following its initial appearance.
On January 9, the World Health Organization notified the public of a flu-like outbreak in China: a cluster of pneumonia cases had been reported in Wuhan, possibly from vendors’ exposure to live animals at the Huanan Seafood Market.
Killer shrimp??
WHAT is wrong with this picture??
Absolutely nothing.
http://fotovision.no/GLP1/Karl_Rove_Empire_Faces_of_Evil.jpg
Why? Think about it. Isn’t this exactly what we are doing in excruciating detail 24/7. Caught with our pants down again and again, analyzing the shit out of details, never realizing (or admitting that the WAR ongoing is on a completely different level), spiritual that is.
Think about it one more time please. And for the ones that just recently have realized that something didn’t add up on the 9/11 events (The Saker among many others) (Smokescreens with benefits)
Here is a hole, which is a hole, and was the primary target.
https://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/physics911pentagon.jpg
I’ve done, some of (the very few heroes), and quite a few of “The faces of evil” for the past five or six years. literally hundreds as some of you might have noticed.
Yet, I feel, that quite a few of us ends up like wounded angels, one way or another.
http://fotovision.no/GLP1/X_0002_WoundedAngelMiller.jpg
BAD guy, very bad. Still only a face, disposable entity.
http://fotovision.no/GLP1/CheneyBuste.jpg
Good Guy: http://fotovision.no/GLP1/PutinBuste02_resize.jpg
Another good guy: http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/Givi01.jpg
Bad karma for some: http://fotovision.no/GLP1/Ukranium_0000_Ukranium%20copy%202.jpg
Response (occasionally, mild version): http://fotovision.no/GLP1/TalkToTheFistMil.jpg
Take care friends in maze
Kent
For the record.
This guy were as bad or worse, https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Winston_Churchill_Color01_Faces_of_Evil.jpg
than this guy: https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Hitler091.jpg
And then for the music lovers. creative common license, free high res. for print.
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Hendrix.jpg
And, one of my fairly decent minus 10 celsius pictures. free.
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Fullm%c3%a5ne%20H%c3%b8gefoss%2008-02-2012.jpg
Kent
What is this then? https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Pope-Benedict_01_Faces_of_Evil.jpg
A Pope?? No, no no, couldn’t be?
Kent
Remember Icarus??
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/John_Lennon_Poet.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMewtlmkV6c
And then the other one, not easy to put into a puzzle, but still.
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Jim_Morrison.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJY8jJkDoMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VScSEXRwUqQ
And Joni Mitchell is still alive right? (Dylan/Cohen hint) She knows.
Kent
P.S. Still only very small parts of A picture.
It appears she is, still alive, and here she is, standing next to Neil Young for the last song of the last venue on tour with, the band.
And also, rumors were flying around during this time that Bob Dylan had lost his voice, and all were there as Dylan was expect to participate to find out of this possible tragic event. Check out the reaction of Neil once the story was removed from doubt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjtPBjEz-BA
Open season on academics with Chinese links?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/28/21112269/harvard-charles-lieber-arrested-fbi-china-lie-false-statements
Head of Harvard’s chemistry department arrested for lying about work with China
Charles Lieber is one of Harvard’s most distinguished professors and a leader in nanoscience and nanotechnology research.
The Filibuster/Coup/Impeachment Trifecta
Red pilled sister sent an email with “ looks like Bolton’s book isn’t coming out tomorrow.. in the subject line and a Feisty Cat Twitter thread the only contents:
https://twitter.com/CHHR01/status/1222589018581454851/photo/1
I inquired of all recipients:
“What’s the title of the delaying tactic book, Full Spectrum Dominance & The Zen of Mustache Maintenance Machismo????”
Things are getting mighty ticklish in DC
Truth, by default, is never in the details.
Details ARE the clouds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16V-wNwlTw0
Kent
It’s a time, where the hidden dynamics are busy in the background of coming times. Anybody,
knowing the four quadrants of the zodiac, can see that.
To me the toppler Uranus keeps associating herds for another 6 years.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/01/mars-kicking-kore-mercury-talks-old.html
I can’t see that, but you my friend can. I trust you and your knowledge, but as i’m sure you appreciate, I have to interpret/bring in sort of your knowledge into my/ours daily life.
Thank you
Kent
A good hint.
Even astrologers are only human.
Tools are only as good as the hand can perform …
You shall recognize them by their deeds
They are not always reliable people
Vampirs are in any form
” I have to interpret/bring in sort of your knowledge into my/ours daily life”
Same to me Kent, since 39 years, but as one scholar said “you’ve made a lot
possible for me” , so it was and is to me
– what you know, only
when it’s happening -you understand it
but anyway, to know what the gods in the unconscious architecture of our S u n do
unconsciously to us rotating in ten times, providing us with a kind of north-hemispheric playlist each week, to the best of my poor understanding, I describe their heaven/E a r t h l y plot (Northern hemisphere). I’m a simple man, dark Cancer, but, as it proved, with an enormous desire for light. Hence read a lot about inner meanings of ‘great things’.
And my vision, knowing of the double-structure of light – being push and wave –
I find this ‘beginning’ as the Water/spirit – fire/matter – mirror – paradox which zodiac provides with 30° Pisces = 0° Aries free to each scholar of astrology with time-order in the brain-jungle of time and an increasing deep content to be living in a, thank God, given order of times.
Always in the mirror of push/wave or matter/spirit never ever invades a time
the zodiac, leaving this 6 days- 6 signs-mirror-status hence never ever anything
will be but a well of synchronicities in universe according to their place in universe.
But much of the day I’ shopping for me and my old Lady, doing other ways appreciating the
beauty I was placed in, cleaning the home economy, cooking, dishes WC anything happy
that my sweet one can be cared for by me.
Now tell me how to relate to the gods, to me Ps 82. is the entrance … and zodiac is higher and purer in
our religious body than any single tribe’s vision. And to the honor of Islam thinking: the highest peak
of astrological contemplation had it’s place in Bagdad’s “Bayt al-Hikma” s. wiki.
the new wave of human thinking starts at the deepest point and since 2014 to this cafe the drop I weekly
drip, now has resounded, not to me, but to astrology.
What a beginning
This one, is so far out that it is very difficult for me to comprehend and acknowledge .
“17) New! One more: arguments about global warming. First, I take no position on that issue. Second, this is hugely controversial, which is fine, but also totally outside the scope of this blog. Simply put – whatever the merits of your position on climate change are, the Saker Blog is not the place to discuss them. So don’t. And yes, I am also officially banning this topic.”
This is the “Open Thread”. The Cafe’ right. Presumably visited by some of the best schooled brains in a variety of scientific (and spiritual) disciplines, and yet, we are not allowed to discuss one of the biggest scams of any century, not allowed to fend off with scientific proof, valid arguments in excruciating details, based on serious research, “arguments” postulations by bots and bewildered individuals (tumblebrains etc).
IF, you my friend The Saker, do not trust our combined capacities in fending of/fighting/destroying attempts to disrupt the flow of interacting mutual exchange of knowledge on a very large field of subjects, I’m alfraid that the overall importance and influence of this “open thread” will diminish.
In practical terms (whatever the moderators had to cope with) on this issue, most of us had to just stay on the sideline and first hand had the experience and privilege to watch a first class warrior adhering to decent rules completely/utterly destroying the “tumblebrain” “arguments”.
If I were into stuff like “man of the year” or something,. I would not hesitate for one second to suggest Amarynth as Sakerista of the year (or any year) for the excellent rebutals based on research and knowledge.
I do appreciate all others who participated with research and knowledge in this debate (no names, they know).
For me, personally it was very refreshing, I actually learned quite a bit on a subject I’ve spent 8+ years on (on and off).
So my friend. You are actually telling me, that at one of the very long term agendas with profound geo-political consequences for generations is NOT allowed to be discussed in the “Open Thread” Cafe’??
Give me a break!!
I am truly sorry. This is not acceptable.
Regards
Kent
“we are not allowed to discuss one of the biggest scams of any century, not allowed to fend off with scientific proof, valid arguments in excruciating details, based on serious research, “arguments” postulations by bots and bewildered individuals (tumblebrains etc).”
Right, spoken like a person who is open to dispassionate discussion of the issue.
The Saker is right to ban this topic, because it results in very divisive venom and invective, and not much more.
There are many topics that are beyond the scope of reason and wind up in an endless debate that eventually becomes political. It is more than a reasonable mind should have to attempt to manage and so as a consequence of keeping the relevant conversations going in some type of orderly fashion, some of these topics must be eliminated from discussion.
I know this first hand and proved it (in a universal court setting,) beyond a reasonable doubt in another venue, that politicians are nothing moore than the infinite study of human denial, I will one day being this charge to a lower human court of law once the appropriate mechanism allows me to do so.
But say to retry the case again here would simply not only be unfair to the moderators, but not be a prudent matter in general as it has already been tried in a higher court. Some things simply don’t need to be endlessly politically discussed, and climate change is one of them and an acceptable topic to be eliminated..
I’m sorry if you were/are offended but proof is proof and the rules are the rules, they evolve to keep people as sane as is possible in this growingly insane global political environment that we currently live under.
Fair enough my friend. I do appreciate your reply, thank you.
However. My arguments still stands. Are we a fighting force with some impacts somewhere or a geriatric discussion club with restrictions in weapons allowed to use in a fight for souls and humanity??
Regards
Kent
Perhaps both, yet in the long run, one man and courage, make a majority. And one must have faith that somewhere, somehow, the fight for and with humanity in mind, can and shall be fought.
There is a case though, (proof I might add) that so far to date, some 4.5+billions years worth, has been fought, but not been won, and she says no one is to blame, though even I, have my doubts about this.
Kent …..I admire the intent and the idealism and energy you have to do something….not sure if peoples here would wish to be active warriors say in cyber hacking for example…eg even cyber berkyt seems sadly to have gone very quiet
But how about volunteering for southfront or setting up something similar.but more radical..or the guy at Fortruss had moved to really get going with an active world socialist kind of action group you could join up with….
Sadly Amerynth community forum where climate etc could be discussed seems to get very little attention despute her dedicated work.
Why not report back here places sites organisations media where you have checked out where peoples can be active participate ….kinda review them their aims ideals objectives …solidity and well being…are they thriving….relevant fundings available or not…..can you support them in any way etc etc.
Whats wrong with going over to the internet insane asylum zero hedge and doing battle over there?
We closed the last blog that allowed all comments, corralled most, if not all the critters there into silence, and made our conclusions, that one day will be brought into a working court and observed once again.
Dear Kent
The truth is that I have already decided a long time ago to *informally* ban this topic, but when the “demand” for it grew too bit, I formally banned it. Why? For two crucial reasons:
1) This blog is not AT ALL a science blog, it is a military, security and political blog. Since (apparently) everybody (besides me) has VERY strong feelings about climate change, surely they can find another, much better suited place to discuss this issue.
2) I have NO opinion WHATSOEVER about climate change for two simple reasons: first, I am not a scientist and I have no expertise whatsoever to express any opinion about it and, second, because being clueless on this topic, I cannot enforce any kind of reasonable parameters for a discussion of this topic.
Besides, there are other banned topics, such as “Q anon” and the “use of nuclear weapons”. But, at least, I do have some qualifications to make a judgement call on these topics. I leave science, especially controversial science, to scientists.
So no, while the Cafe is much more liberally moderated than the rest of the blog, this NEVER was a ‘free for all’ where any topic gets discussed, In fact, I have even banned some people on the basis on their insistence NOT to abide by the rules.
I urge you to think about my arguments again. And if you remain as opposed to these rules as you were initially, then I can only express my regret to have to disappoint you. But there is NO WAY I can lift these bans, this will open up the comments section to the favorite tactic of the (many!) trolls whom we battle every day: to sidetrack any and all threads into a hugely controversial topic thereby killing any ontopic discussion.
Kind regards
The Saker
“I urge you to think about my arguments again. And if you remain as opposed to these rules as you were initially, then I can only express my regret to have to disappoint you. But there is NO WAY I can lift these bans, this will open up the comments section to the favorite tactic of the (many!) trolls whom we battle every day: to sidetrack any and all threads into a hugely controversial topic thereby killing any ontopic discussion.”
It’s ok. I will as always abide the rules. BUT, whether you like it or not. (you don’t like it I know), you are actually a commander (of sorts) of a force that if directed (or let loose in some way or another) can have influence beyond the obviously influence in terms of analytics from very prominent people on a daily basis.
The “Open thread” is (or could be) an excellent battleground for greenhorns and veterans alike with presumably a very large audience, setting some standards for battle based on facts, research, knowledge, that no other forum could match.
So. you’ve got the soldiers, commanders, experienced warriors, poets,or greenhorns of any age. Let us loose for a few months OR remove the headline “Open” on the Cafe’ . Actually the “Open” it is for me an insult. Look at it this way.
I’m (you) are in Paris, Santiago, L.A. Cape Town, whatever, you walk into a cafe’ to have a drink, meet people, talk casually about whatever, and without warning you get kicked out for conversing, discussing something you do not even consider controversial (you did not notice the sign outside specifying 17 points you were not allowed to discuss or talk about on the premises.
Please put this into Any context, and draw a somewhat logical conclusion based on standard perceptions of censorship. Not good at all.
Comment sections on topics elsewhere, any topic should off-course be strictly moderated, actually imo stricter than now, equal off topic delete.
I did publish, here, and elsewhere, the imo very best translation of “The Art Of War”with in build.
search engine It’s still online reversed from flash to html5.’ Study it carefully, and try to bring it into context where you are, please.
WE, are at war spiritually first and foremost. The kinetic stuff will for the foreseeable future be limited (a few hundred thousands here and there as always) The psy-ops and the spiritual war will intensify.
So, am I at the right place at the wrong time, or at the wrong place at the right time?
Who knows? I’m here as well.
Kent
Actually to be fair to new listeners/readers on The Saker blog, and to keep it within legally (US Laws), anybody should digitally sign of, agree on the 17 points to get access. Small, but essential vulnerability.
IF I was ever presented to these conditions anywhere to get access, my reaction would have been SAY WHAT!!, NO Fucking way I sign this.’
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Think about it all.
AND don’t get me wrong, I will continue supporting this blog financially and more importantly (actually) promoting it on venues most of you don’t even know about.
@ setting some standards for battle based on facts, research, knowledge, that no other forum could match.
What eventually happens with statements like this, are responses from people like me that say, you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts, then nasty (key) words start being thrown around (you lose the battle) and then once it becomes a political battle, well, we know the rest of the story. Stinks don’t it?
Dear friend
I hear you and I cannot disagree. But at the end, it is a judgement call. I really noticed over the years that sidetracking a thread is the tool which modern trolls prefer. Just look at how devastatingly effective this technique is by visiting unmoderated comments section. I mean, it’s like you post a detailed analysis of, say, the capabilities of Chinese military naval construction and then some guy posts something like “Greta Thunberg is a CIA puppet used to hinder the growth of the Chinese economy”, then some other guy tosses in “Q Anon predicted it all” and then all hell will break loose and Chinese naval construction will be completely forgotten. I have seen that too many times to count.
To be honest, ALL security is ALWAYS a bore, a drag and a pain in the rear. But there are times when security, strict security, is needed. I believe that our times are such times.
Again, I am very sorry for having to impose so many moderation rules, I hate that too…
Kind regards
The Saker
Re last sentance…..fabulous….thank you for getting saker out there. I visited my oldwork and referred someone to thesaker who still continues to say Russia shot down MH17.
Slogan?
“Stop the empires war on Russia” ??
How? Who cares. Nobody!! . At this very moment there are 3555 views on this thread. Wow, impressive right?
Present me how. to stop the empires war on Russia let’s discuss it.
Before I started attending this blog 4-5 years ago, On the battlefield forums. Tavistock – CIA , we had 10 to fifty thousand visitors per comment for months, and had to fight idiot moderators, and executives for weeks, using their own IP’s to prevent banning to 10 seconds to post from anywhere after being banned. At one time the site 2+ million visits per day, closed down all acces in all of Europe to anybody. Thread was Syria and Ukraine (not The Ukraine)
I do admire the contributors on this blog, and I do appreciate all the various inputs from guest analyst, The Saker, and a large variety of very informed commentators. Thank you all.
BUT. As soldiers in any war, most of you does not count in my book.
I could write a novel on the subject. Luckily for you I’ll refrain. Most of you wouldn’t survive a week in even mild extraordinary disruptions of your daily life, which you are bound to experience in the very near future. And still some of you (quite a few actually) believe that posting with a nickname here, or as anonymous somewhat protects you from whatever. I does not!! The good news is that nobody cares and gives a flying ###.
For me, if you haven’t got a face, eyes,adress a voice. Anything you write, or say means nothing to me. Can you spell coward`?
Here, there is no battlefield, fighting not allowed, no enemy, no weapons, all is nice in this geriatric clinic (no offense to my poetry and astrological friends, for the record only. they know that (I hope).
So here, there is no battle, not even small ones allowed. Not the very best environment for a Warrior and strategist.
If there is no clear objective in any war, you loose. Slogans doesn’t cut it.
Regards
Kent
I will post according to the rules in the future, mostly lyrics (can be subtle as you know).
Apart from that, I will leave you and go back to the real battlefield for a year or two.
Thank you
Kent
Kent, we have to choose our battles. And if we think this one is a science battle, then I have some educating to do. The overhead may have became too much to handle for our resources because every slimy creature and slithery gun for hire came crawling in, sniffing out that the powers and principalities were afoot. Again, we have to choose our battles. Leave this tired warrior for a while to get some good R&R. I don’t think I’ve stood still since January 3rd. And don’t you dare go away now :-)!
It is a good rule. It takes the science out of the picture and leaves us an open page to deal with the real issues, which are of course political and financial and social and completely aligned with what the Saker’s Blog stands for. I agree with you in principle on basically everything. It has been clear to me that a rethink is necessary as we are looking at possibly a bleak future.
And thanks for the very kind words.
This is a nice piece about closing a debate about the climate:
aitia.fr/erd/quand-le-débat-est-clos-antipresse/#more-14295/ by a Slobodan Despot.
bp
‘all is nice in this geriatric clinic’
my vision is the natural one, a tent slightly at the edge of the camp,
with the old wise persons of the camp in a circle smoking some pipe
of peace, listening, speaking, silent, contemplating the meaning of
the year.
The poets are speaking into the silence. The gods act invisibly, the
astro-wise watch their steps.
Dear Saker,
Banning the topic of AGW is a wise strategic denial of the favourite troll subject, as we readers understand this site is frequented by the smartest hasbara I’ve seen, anywhere.
But. AGW is not a science subject, but a belief system which precludes open and argumented discussion.
Therefore I applaud your decision.
Very best regards
40+ years since I paid rent on anything.
Raise of nothing wouldn’t do anybody any good!
Anyway, very nice, Enjoy!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqqyhNO0Dk
Kent
I did not mention that quite a few of the sceneries is actually normal here. Sorry about that. We’re used to it-.
Kent
Kent, at the beginning of your stream of thoughts and images etc, you wrote this :
‘…analyzing the shit out of details, never realizing (or admitting that the WAR ongoing is on a completely different level), spiritual that is.’
Analyzing is OK by me, I scroll if not interested and otherwise learn, but the war, it is spiritual indeed, hence my poems etc,
A spiritual war that is global, and in each one of us, billion upon billion of microcosmic battles !
And of course, on here too, that is obvious, hence I appreciate the honesty and courage to speak out that you have shown, even though I do not agree on certain key points, so what, it is not a matter of agreeing all the time. (Truth is objective, and if it turns into a witch hunt is prey to evil …)
But it is a matter of not remaining silent, which so many do.
What is the little enemy we carry around inside us, and what is the collective force of this on a global scale ? That is what we need to identify with courage.
What remains hidden has power, and only by throwing light onto evil, does it begin to lose its massive force.
We’ll see us at the next cafe, at weekend I will have more time to read along the lines here and elsewhere and hopefully bring in some heart. Until then somebody will have to wash the cups and dishes…it would be unfair to ask the waiter to do that…
ioan –
I’d rather be planting trees… in Siberia!
Under the guidance of the American University in Moscow, an effort is underway to create an NGO for reforestation. From “make love, not war” to “don’t fight, plant trees”
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2020-01-20/Obozrevatel-Washington-Times-Rossii-i
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/17/crosstalk-can-russia-be-key-in-fighting-climate-ch/
Truth is by nature self-evident.
As soon as you remove the cobwebs
of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.
Mahatma Gandhi
Best lullaby for meow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp–Y2I85rg
BBC is sacking 450 out of 6000 news staff…from what they put put I tnought there were about 50 maximum…I suppose less of them is better but remaing ones will just resort even more to the insane internet and social media as news gatherers…..
i’m not after cramping anyone’s style on here,
that’s not my style nor job let’s leave it at that
it’s been a whirl a gas with hyena’s and more
so drink a toast to some poet soon forgotten !
I wonder what happened to nj mike? He had stated he was going to china and was worried about something. With all the virus’s going around I really couldn’t imagine he would attempt such a thing, but since we have not heard from him lately, perhaps he did risk his well being and go over.
He left before the official news came out but if the latest info is right, the virus was already out in Oct 2019… so none of us knew… also it depends which part of china did he visit. He mentioned Kashmir before and I suggested him to consider Mongolia, so if he is in that area he shold be better in much less risk area. But if he went to join the CNY celebration, then the city blocks are the worst. Also it seems to be highly depended on one’s innate immune system and perhaps even individual genetic make-up, possibly race or ancestry roots. Hope he is good. Then again all of us should be more aware and alert. This could be a BIG nasty potentially rival the black death if ‘they’ are still leaking the virus. Be safe all
Here he is on the 18th of this month so the news of it was out.
Mike from Jersey on January 18, 2020 · at 9:55 am EST/EDT
Ioan,
I respectfully disagree. I think that globalism is on the run. Brexit, the Yellow Vests, the election of Trump (granted, Trump is a fool, but the globalists hate him), the declining popularity of the Republican/Democrat Globalist Coalition and so on. Throughout the world people are realizing that the promise of globalism (cheaper goods and services) is vastly outweighed by the costs (income inequality, mass migrations, the destruction of cultural identity which is replaced by a vapid consumer culture).
Could some different wickness be plaguing him? Of course I naturally think gvt b/c they are synonomous.
Oh I must have got the dates wrong… Hope he is alright
ON this c-virus, in the east, many are viewing this, as with SARs and all other bioweapon grade virus, as attacking the economy. This one is clearly, aimed at the chicago fo china – wuhan – already said to be the ‘Lehman trigger in the east’. But I cant help, in my pessimism, it somewhat has a genecoide shade in there? Potentially, chinese race gene-linked (if there is such a thing). The implication of hidden gene-tech from the general public would be profound! They has already done the ‘ebola’ trail on africans and all the usual players were here again this time.
If so, and if the private family of the east thinks so, what would be the payback-asymmetry move, be in the west?
Also, possibly a nano-tech agenda here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDvH9cadb0
Love to hear your thoughts and feel free to move to the new Cafe. Thanks Alabama
I attribute it to a worsening of health in the human being, unknown to many are the gods ability to reset the human equation, and sort of give the everyday human a rest so as to not burn themselves out so quickly.
But just like the climate change phenomenon, if this step is skipped for some reason, the balance of forces is lost and things become out of whack so to speak.
It has been skipped this time, and we (some of us) are seeing the consequences of this action.
So the telomeres – used by date? Hmmmm… okie fair enough I accept that. Still we have the other 95% of ‘junk’ DNA unexplained.
I personally observe ‘there is no freewill’ either. There may be free choice but not freewill – that is, one may choose or interrupt how a sequence of event unfold, but the begining/ending is set and non-changeable. Abit like to tie a rope (space/time) at both end to something stationary, the middle of the rope can swing and wiggle anyway and direction or even stretched, but one who travels along that rope (destiny) must come to the (pre)fixed end, eventually. I observe this also in waves, say sine waves – it just flactuates in cycles and the particle travel along its path.
At the big picture level, I agree with you. A reset is a reset – the story of individual human emotion and personal feelings are not really counted that much. There is a bigger unknown force operating here.
I have a wild idea that we, as soul, perhaps were in other bodies once before, say dinosaurs or maybe even a rock? Just souls wearing a different body. So a future soul could potentially wear a robot-suit too! And some would say, we were wearing robot-suits and got boring and decided to wear a biological human body and we are simply returning to the new old-fashion of metalic body. Ha :D
Hv a gd wk
Soul (an invisible to the eye cob web, complete with electronics) doesn’t really quite work like that, soul is trapped inside of ones body unless the keys to remove it are obtained, then once released, it wants to return from where it came. Only then, (and it only allows a split second of time to react), can the human take measures to collect ones soul back into the body where it remains to continue the fight of the forces of gravity that collapse most all human body’s over time.
Its possible that after death the soul is free to escape back to where it originated from, but that is here nor there as upon birth of another human, the whole process is begun again.