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Some headlines from Russian media in the wake of Putin-Erdogan 5 March 2020 meeting in Moscow:
1) Interfax. Putin and Erdogan agreed on a document about Idlib, https://www.interfax.ru/russia/697966
Says, the two discussed the issues in private for some three hours, then were joined by their delegations for another three hours. The usual diplomatic gobbledygook (need for peaceful discourse “among all the conflicting parties” (!…), humanitarian issues … and so on and on and on).
2) Ria Novosti. Russia and Turkey build a safety corridor in Syria, https://ria.ru/20200305/1568216302.html
Says, they are establishing a “safety” corridor around the Latakia-Aleppo west-east highway M4 of 12 km width – 6 km to the north, 6 km to the south.
3) EurAsia Daily. Putin: Militants continue to attack Russian air base in Syria, https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/03/05/putin-boeviki-prodolzhayut-atakovat-rossiyskuyu-aviabazu-v-sirii
Putin refers here to the Russian air base “Hmeymim”.
And here’s the gem:
4) Rosbalt. Turkish deputies got into a physical fight in parliament because of Syria, https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2020/03/05/1831194.html
Says, the deputies got into a mass fist-fight because of the negotiations on Syria :-)
Assad to Russia 24: Erdogan Aligned with Al Qaeda Because of his Muslim Brotherhood Ideology
https://www.syrianews.cc/assad-to-russia-24-erdogan-aligned-with-al-qaeda-because-of-his-muslim-brotherhood-ideology/
President Bashar al Assad told Russia-24 TV that Erdogan’s Muslim Brotherhood ideology, not Turkish national interests, is the cause of his sending troops illegally into Syria, to fight for al Qaeda in Idlib.
Dr. Assad also discussed the challenges of the American occupation of Syrian oil fields and Syrian monies stolen by foreign banks.
Syria News provides the full transcript of the recent interview by Yevgeny Primokov, courtesy of SANA.
Putin is a smart guy, but I wonder why – at this point – he is trusting Erdogan to put more troops in the area.
Since Erdogan breached the first agreement – it would seem that allowing him to put more troops in Syria would be the very last thing to which Putin would agree.
But he agreed to it.
I don’t think he “trusts” him anymore; but diplomatic accords are important (particularly if, like Russia, you not only claim, but act, in a law abiding way).
Erdogan referred to the previous Sochi agrement as a justification to push syrian control at the “Sochi-line”, away of the M5 highway. But now Erdogan has been forced to accept the reality on the field, and accept not only control of M5 by Syria, but even lose full control of M4.
It remains to be seen if the Turkey can comply and guarantee the safety of the M4 highway; Ithink it will fail. But then it would be Turkey’s fault, and a justification for a new offensiv against the terrorists.
Of course, it would be possible also to not do any diplomacy at all, just claim things like “Erdogan must go” and just use military power to reach the goals.
But I wouldn’t like to live in a world where Russia will have the same moral compass and behavior as Israel and USA.
pavlo,
You wrote:
That is a good point. I think that Putin – among other things – is sending a message to Europe.
He is saying, “Unlike the United States, I do diplomacy. If you want to do diplomacy, the door is always open.”
Increasingly, it will be harder and harder for the Europeans to fail to understand that.
I honestly don’t think V.V. trusts Erdogan further than he can spit in t he face of a gale, but it’s called diplomacy and “saving face.” I would imagine Erdogan has been given very strict conditions – and what will happen if they are breached.
Pamela,
You suggested that Putin threatened Erdogan with “consequences” of another breach of trust.
The reason that I have a problem with that is that it is hard to threaten a madman – and Erdogan is a madman.
There comes a point where you just “give up.”
When Putin got sold out by the United States – he simply refused to negotiate with them further. They were, as Putin noted, “not agreement capable.”
When Netanyahu started betraying Putin’s trust, Putin sold the Syrians the S-300.
There comes a point when you just have to give up dealing with people.
Now, maybe Putin hasn’t become totally exasperated with Erdogan yet, but I can see it getting to that point.
Yes, I do agree with you – but I’m always aware of how little we actually know. So much is “classified” — as of course it must be. But it does mean that there are deals within deals, strings pulled, knots tied, of which we may know little or nothing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that or something like it is the case here. Dont forget, while he has been allowed more troops, his range of movement has been severely restricted.
As for Erdogan – and I agree with you, he appears to be so duplicitous as to be unstable, verging on megalomania, – maybe he should read the Bible again.
I am reminded of this – I’d forgotten it of late – from a Vesti piece reporting on the commemoration of the destruction of Dresden by the Allies :
“Hosea 8:7, “For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”
Maybe the American / Deep State warmongers could do with reading it too.
Or perhaps the deep state should read the quran, before a virus of possibly there own creation, comes back to destroy them in a war of their own making. Having the most expensive and least efficient health care system in the world is no way win a battle of attrition.
And does Erodgan use the bible as reference to any significance in fighting the battles in Syria? This would be new news to me if he has.
Hi Pamela.
The fact is that it takes two to tangle.
Our Sultan Erdoğan wants … ugh, only God (or Allah :-?) knows what!…
While Putin wants … to keep Turkish Stream cash cow running, build costly atomic plants for Turkey, sell Turkey costly fancy weapons, keep Bosporus wide open for his Black Sea fleet, wean Turkey away from NATO, etc., etc.
Interests knotted together like guts. Money, money, power, politics…
“Money, money, power, politics…”
All while the half million Syrian dead figure just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
I would like to apologise for the above, and make a correction. Since Russia was one of “the Allies” I should have said “the destruction of Dresden by UK and US Airforces”. Russia had nothing to do with that War Crime.
Pamela, the Soviet Union (not Russia) fought in the second world war. Stalin was a Georgian.
Sigh. Yes. I know.
“Sigh”
For a smart lady, you’re not very smart sometimes.
Sigh.
who is always smart ? all the ladies on here are smart, some smarter, depending on smart style suited…, some even genuinely know how to smart… line up for your smarties here kids.
Ras
The easiest thing for a stupid and weak man to do is hurl insults. Even chimpanzees hurl their turds at those who annoy them.
Maybe using your mind for creative thought would be a better use for it, don’t you think?
It’s this about the internet I have come to despise. It’s why I dont post much any more. Of all the intelligent discussions there could be, there are so many that end up like this.
However, as they say, if you give me a gift, it is mine to do as I wish, n’est pas? So thank you for your gift, and I hand it back to you.
the smart get smarter,
the stupid get stupider;
there’s no standing still…
Pamela, I am sure you are right. Putin is the best political strategist in the world. There is obviously more to this. I wish I knew what it was.
Dont you find that’s the case with so much that goes on? So little we know, or can know for national security. So much to wonder about the truth of. We can join a great many dots I think, but the final picture is bound to be flawed.
Pamela,
That is exactly how I feel.
Even worse, I now disregard the mainstream media completely. I assume that any of their articles on foreign policy are pure propaganda and completely untrustworthy.
That is one of the reasons that I like to travel. I like to see what is happening with my own eyes and see what ordinary people in other parts of the world actually have to say.
Traveling in China, for example, has been a real eye opener.
> Even worse, I now disregard the mainstream media completely.
Why it’s “worse”?
> I assume that any of their articles on foreign policy are pure propaganda and completely untrustworthy.
Why only on foreign policy? At this point they all are pure propaganda and completely untrustworthy until proven otherwise.
I don’t imply that it was a whole lot better in living memory… but at least they used to put worms on those hooks. =)
when’s a chimp a chump?
when he gladly suffers fools!
loading up the sling…
The troops are for joint Rus/Turk patrols, I believe that makes the Turk troops Volunteer human shields for the Russians.
It makes me think of a naughty boy being told “you can have some friends over, but you cant go outside the garden and your big brother is to be with you all the time”.
I doubt the Russians will be fired on if there are Turks with them – even Erdogan never thought of that I suspect.
Erdy got to make some speeches about Turkeys’ right to defend itself, which should read well back home, he and his Grey Wolves have been put under limited movement arrest, and Russia and Syria will go on with returning idlib to normal life as a Syrian territory.
What I am now wondering is — what are they going to do with the thousands of young Afghan, Somali, etc etc [but not Syrian] “refugees” swarming the Greek border??
And notice how quiet Merkel has gone re them?? No sign of her welcoming them to Germany I see!!
Love your naughty boy analogy.
Hope you do not mid if i “borrow”it. Brilliant.
:-)
Of course not. Feel free. Thank you.
Tribute to Comrade Stalin on March 5th. Rest in peace.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tFWC-Gxz3kE
@ Nussiminen
Thank you for remembering.
P.S.
Stalin’s epoch was when the word science meant something. And it was when
“…
Medicine in the USSR was absolutely free and accessible to everyone. There were at least 100 doctors per 10,000 people. The profession of a doctor was also one of the highest paid.
…
The USSR had the most powerful science in the world. About half of the world’s scientists and engineers worked for us.
…
In the USSR, every capable young person could get an education. The salaries of professors and teachers made it possible for teachers to focus on teaching the generation, rather than looking for additional earnings.
…
And this is not all! Free apartments. Rest in sanatoriums and resorts for everyone. Camp for children. Good pensions that you can live on with dignity. Normal prices in stores.
…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAmjcuvPqXI
No doubt the Sovjet education was excellent in the same way Catholic schools were, 10-15% ideology and 85% good classic education.
But the shops were with 1 type of bread, 1 type milk, 2 type cars, 1 type of refrigerator. Accommodation areas with hundreds of grey dirty boring 8-12 multi storey buildings. A grey simple life in many areas.
@ Tomsen
Of course, ultimately, it all depends on what your personal values are. I am an old-timer, a retired university professor, now in the U.S. by circumstances, who has lived, worked and studied in both systems, and is in some position to compare. However, I am afraid that there is hardly anything which I could say in a brief blog comment which would impart vivid and true colours of an epoch to the drab picture that you unwittingly carry. My apologies.
Peter, please consider that many folk in this Cafe would appreciate your memories being recalled and would be listening intently. I am very interested in Soviet Union life and to hear first hand accounts would be fascinating. I am interested to know what subjects you taught ?
Sure Peter, if you need to write a longer piece, please do so. The Saker himself decides on what gets published. You can send a longer piece to me, and I will give this background to The Saker, or directly to him, following the guidelines for posts.
@Peter,
I can only speak for myself, but just like Павел (Paul) I’d invite you to share with us your views on an epoch. When that would be a very long post, may I suggest that you write an article? You are free to do that, of course it will have to pass the sniffing test of the Saker, but I’m sure many readers will be interested.
You can find some guidelines for it here: /submissions-policy/
Just give it a thought ;-)
Cheers, Rob
There is lots to say about USSR and it’s satellites. With decline of the West the old Soviet system looks better and better by comparison.
Further, those “oppressive” regimes there was more personal freedom than in present western democracies, (except freedom to travel and enterprise).
”With decline of the West the old Soviet system looks better and better by comparison.”
That’s of course correct, but the truly monumental astonishing fact about Soviet rule is that it accomplished in merely three decades of ferocious struggle what took half a millennium of Western global genocide, oppression, greed, and lawlessness to grant to white European people. The West’s parasitic foundation hasn’t changed, but now the neoliberal rot has deprived the West of its erstwhile industrial and fiscal base. Its education has already become a total joke.
When evaluating with outmost objectivity the current state of the West, outcome is beyond disturbing. I am also old timer and I lived in both systems and my ideals were reset long ago.
North America where I live now is corrupted in every sphere of its existence and we are entering age of unimaginable darkness.
I am most concerned with spiritual state of the people and diminishing personal freedoms than let’s say economy, environment and such.
This is partially result of decades of worshipping wrong gods ranging from gods of Mammon to devil himself. On the same note I would discourage idolizing old Soviet regime because it was far from flawless, based on flawed ideology. The West is becoming to be ruled by multiple ideologies set by global oligarchy and laws apply less and less.
Soviet ideology was based on Marxism and Leninism written in communist manifesto what’s ideology which currently rules the West based on? Western leaders often mention “rule if law”, think about that one for a moment.
We live in unprecedented times which have no parallel in recorded human history.
I realise how tiring and time consuming writing is, but I add my voice to that others, to say how much I would enjoy learning from you about life in Soviet times.
I once saw a video someone posted – sorry I cannot give a link – of people living in Soviet Russia, and was astonished at how happy so many seemed; there was a shot of a big lake in a park I think, or maybe it was on one of the sea shores, of people sunning, yachting, sailing, laughing. There was an advert for Aeroflot that looked exactly like a 1950’s advert [same time, that is] for any US airline. In fact, there was little to separate it from what we saw of US in the 1950’s.
The problem for so many of us is that we only have what the “West” Regime rulers has chosen to tell us – and that has been distorted beyond belief.
There is a blog out there by the Russian Dmitry Orlov, who spent life in US but has returned to Russia now. He has written of some comparisons. I dont know if you know it, but if not it could interest you.
But should you wish to write of your life in Soviet Russia, there are many who would enjoy learning from you.
Pamela, there are numerous movies available on internet. If you do a search on YouTube using Cyrillic alphabet it opens new doors. Many movies are subtitled. Remember to insert “nsfw”youtube.com in the web address if YT blocks you. Other superb source is archive.org
I try to save anything for later read or watch as I don’t believe they allow us this freedom of information for much longer. New law in Canada will likely bloc Saker and such and eventually internet access will be illegal, similar as happened with driver’s licences.
You mentioned Mr Orlov, as his earlier works he wrote a good comparison between collapse of CCCP and collapse of USA, I consider him to be very astute thinker of our times.
Thank you very much for that S75ponny.
I have found a very few with an English language search, but more is always better. I found “Seventeen Moments of Spring” [absolutely fantastic], and “The White Tiger,” a very deep, almost mystical, look at war. Both had English subtitles. They are made and set back in Soviet times.
I used to do the saving as you do, using YTD, but it started charging which put it outside my budget. I’m looking for another free download program, if anyone does know of one to recommend.
I agree with you – I used to be able to look at “President:15 yrs in power” by Solovyev, interviews covering Putin’s power 2000 – 2015, but last time I tried to call it up on YouTube they claimed it “breached copy-write” – how it could do that being an all Russian TV show they dont’ say – and I couldn’t get it. I think I do have it saved on another computer.
What is this “new law in Canada”, can you say? I have not heard of it.
Agree with you regarding Mr. Orlov also.
Good Android downloader is VidMate available at Apkpure.com
YT copyright or unsuitability wall for watching can be breach by adding those four letters to the address
In Canada they want to impose a law that any news emitting entity must be licensed plus many more laws for population “protection”
I spent 9 months in 2017 at Vladivostok FEFU in the Russian Language course. It was badly taught, using very awful, modern, “Anglo empire” books, with little formal structure or meaning between relationships.
I was interested, therefor, to learn that so many of the young students and post grads I got to know would scour old bookshops, homes, anywhere, to find Soviet era text books.
They answer my “why” with “because they’re so much better than the rubbish we get now, where everything is all over the place. Soviet text books were orderly, logical, had a structured framework you can follow, and made sense. They just make it much easier to learn anything”.
It was another thread I seem to be picking up to ways in which that grey dull, miserable stereotype of life the Empire has pushed about Russia was so wrong – and designed to brainwash, which it has been very successful in doing.
@Peter
I think all inputs bring facts closer and you should contribute with your experience and angle.
I have only been in Baltic and seen the old system with a dollar shop and empty local shelves and nothing to buy for western money.
Outside the city were endless rows of dirty multi-storey buildings with washed clothes hanging outside. Dirty concrete slabs and partitions as playground for children. A smell of poverty and soup kitchens.
Going from Baltics to Sweden was to go from a poor simple world to a clean luxury eldorado of colours and possibilities.
I guess behind the surface of East-Europe were hidden many flowers and wonders as the excellent school system and classic music traditions.
But I understood why East-Europeans were crazy to adapt to Western culture because of the outlook and the attraction of getting richer.
Trust me, its not at all fun to be poor. Only rich people and academics find it romantic.
A little work on the traits of the two with their ‘six-hours-work’ in Moscow.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/03/moscow-six-hours-work-on-human-traits.html
“Dark to Light” is a hopeful intention, expressed in various seemingly disparate portions of present day consciousness………….which can be connected. But not by me, at least not today.
For today …I post yesterday’s Episode of Frank and Beanz Dark to Light podcast reporting on the unprecedented Democratic contortions and conspiracy……breathing together to one common purpose:…….to once again deny the nomination to “Bernie”:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/dark-to-light-with-frank-beanz/e/67788443?autoplay=true
Most of that episode reporting on Super Tuesday and the numerous candidates dropping out and endorsing the lecherous, corrupt, and senile Joe Biden is dedicated to their interview on Wednesday with Rich Baris of People’s Pundit Daily…..Rich being extremely well prepared with data of all sorts you never see in the Lamestream Media.
Tracy sums up her reaction, at the end…..”Oh, Gawd, I hope I don’t have nightmares tonight!.”
About all these machinations designed to bring about a brokered convention……….of two women from two families (with no love lost, between them, mind you)…in a “dream ticket”:…that is the stuff of nightmares for Tracy:
Michelle “Michael” Obama …(presidential nominee)….and Killery Clinton for vp.
Not to win, (they don’t seem to care about THAT because many Bernie supporters will either not vote or vote Trump rather than cave twice to the same upholders of “democracy” that screwed Bernie….again) …but to defend against indictments that should definitely be coming to those two families……….soon.
It’s a question of timing.
@Bro.
The Bloomberg + HRC ticket I saw developing has come off the rails.
I anticipated she’d Vince Foster ole Mike once she was back in the White House.
THIS site is seriously compromised by third? parties algorithms.
SO, how to circumvent that? Tell me please.
Where/what i s Florida?
Regards
Kent
Kent,
Not really sure what you’re talking about here. Can you elaborate?
Today’s haiku is from the last time we had this image as header. It’s one I particularly like, and perhaps the Cafe’s other haiku composers, or budding composers, might like to add to.
her refined features;
the way the light falls on them,
the bustling crowd dimmed…
The girl stands arrear
Focusing purposefully
Everyone engaged
Dimitar I did actually notice last time how others focused on the female illuminated at the front
This is my first effort
Thank you for your encouragement and constructive criticism
How lovely, Babuška, thank you!
“I did notice how others focused on the female illuminated at front…” That’s probably because most of the image is saturated in darks and mid-tones, and the beautiful face of the young woman in foreground is highlit. However, there’s a direct line from the illuminated face in the foreground, and the one you’ve addressed in the background moving directly over the shoulder of the female in middle ground, and so you’ve painted a nice connection there.
Here are a few quotes from “The Penguin Book of Haiku”, to refresh our understanding of this highly specific form;
Expressed in plain-spoken language amd concrete nature imagery rooted in the seasons, particularly in their evanescence, the haiku crystallizes an intensely perceived moment into a mere seventeen syllables to paradoxically profound, even philosophical effect.
Suggestiveness and subtlety have earned for the haiku, a reputation for inscrutability.
Much of the appeal of the haiku derives from the irresistably paradoxical combination of simplicity of form with the exquisite sophistication of aesthetics.
The notion of impersonality entails that the poet suspend the ego, entering into the essence of his subject matter, couching any personal feelings in the language of objective description.
luminous crossing
late afternoon serenade
orchids in half-light
Road floods from rain fields
people scrabble through
Hawk hovers on uplift wind.
a break in the rain;
clouds swirling in slow motion
children, puddles, dogs…
novel corona
panic pandemonium
blessed transcendence
a shaft of sunlight,
stillness within turbulence;
diving hawk!
“No art work is ever complete, it’s only abondoned…”, Leonardo da Vinči.
Poetry, like art, is often incomplete. It can be for a number of reasons. We never quite grasp the internal logic of a poem, and therefore cannot find the right arrangement of words. We lose patience, get bored. Or sometimes we understand what the poem is trying to say, but we’re a little too close emotionally, and so a bit of distance between the time of initial writing and it’s completion is all that’s needed. This is one of those, from late last year.
One more point… when I write in the first person, and am addressing “you”, it is obviously a deeply personal space I am writing from, since speaking to “you” in such intimate terms can only be with someone that we share such closeness with. For example, when we write a letter to a loved one, it is natural to use such intimate terms since both the letter-writer and the receiver, know and understand the shared experience in question. So, “you” is that person or being on whose words we hang, the one who raises the bar where our own state of consciousness is concerned, the one whose loving we look up to and want to be more like… in case anyone ever wondered.
The Taste of Humility
Bitter on my tongue, sour the taste;
The hand once dealt, gone to waste.
But sweet the gain of time’s defeat,
And tender the rest for tired feet.
Salt o’ the earth, salt o’ the sea;
The taste on my tongue, the taste on my knees.
The salt I have left is the salt I will give,
To love as you love, and live as you live!
The taste of humility, the taste of tears,
The nectar of Soul, the fruit of years;
All the provision you need ever make,
When there’s nothing to seek, there’s nothing at stake!
Sour on my tongue, bitter the taste,
The hand once dealt, gone to waste!
But sweet the gain as time departs,
And tender the rest for weary hearts.
Salt o’ the earth, salt o’ the sea;
The taste on my tongue, the taste on my knees.
The salt I have left is the salt I will give,
To love as you love and live as you live!
“We never quite grasp the internal logic of a poem, and therefore cannot find the right arrangement of words”
I liked your insight regarding poetry and the “the right arrangement of words”. You remind me of the aphorism attributed to Samuel Coleridge Taylor, that poetry was = “the best words in the best order”
This truth was well known to the ancient Bards of Celtic Cymru and Gaelic Ireland – after all, they studied for years, 6 – 12 yrs to attain what was regarded as extreme knowledge and proficiency in use of The Word. I think, from memory, It was Robert Graves, he of “I Claudius” and “the The White Goddess” who translated a very long ancient Bardic poem – and found that if you removed every – I think – 7th line, the poem still made sense. He then saw that if you put the removed lines together, they made sense too. And that you could repeat this action on them, and get the same result.
That’s some fantastic skill with words.
I was so impressed when, as a schoolgirl, we had to study the WWI poets, at seeing the rough notes for a poem written by Wilfred Owen, the many crossings out, the re-writes, the trials, just to get one or two lines “exactly right”.
It made me realise why often a few lines can stay with you vividly all your life bring back vivid memories; I found this with these two lines from Rupert Brookes; “the Great Lover” “the little dulling edge of foam, that browns and dwindles as the wave goes home” bringing back days of standing ankle deep in the seas edge watching the small waves do that.
It also explains why so much poetry contains such deep wide insights, in a few words. Just to read those last lines of “To Lucasta, on going to War” by Richard Lovelace in 1649, in which he touches on a seeming paradox, that he is leaving his beloved wife to go and fight, yet the reason he does makes his the value of his love so much greater, because it springs from a person of honour.
” Yet this inconstancy is such
As thou too, shalt adore;
I could not love thee Dear, so much
Loved I not Honour more”.
I’ve always envied those who can put their image of the world into poetry. For me, the urge comes so rarely, and I so admire those who can do it more, as you and others here can.
Thank you for your wonderful insights re: poetry, Pamela. One of the great things about being alive today is the unprecedented access we have to a good portion of the deeper yearnings of the human race, as expressed in poetry and the rest of the arts.
“For me, the urge comes so rarely, and I admire those who can do it more…”, you know, putting down a few lines is not as difficult as it seems. Babuška and JJ, as far as I know, are not regular writers, but have contributed perfectly fine haiku, and so, give it a try sometime. I’ve included the look at the approach to haiku writing so that’s a good place to start, if that’s your thing, otherwise, take almost any narrative poem/lyric and study the meter or internal rhythm, and try writing your own original lines over the same meter. If you can achieve a rhyming couplet, then you should be able to go to a second, etc.
These are simple exercises anyone can try; the point being, to get into the reflective state and see what comes.
There’s a very good documentary on Netflix called “The Creative Mind” which probes deeper into the creative mindset; it basically says, anyone can access this creativity within, we all have it and it comes with an uplifting and healing energy, that is entirely liberating to the individual. An example from the doc. is where prison inmates were able to transform their otherwise restricted worlds into a stimulating and transcendant experience, through doing creative projects. The actor, Tim Robbins was among those speaking about the brilliant work they came up with, and so on.
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Putin signs policy order encouraging Arctic population
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/06/620243/Russia-arctic-economy-security
https://www.newcoldwar.org/chinas-cases-of-covid-19-are-finally-declining-a
-who-expert-explains-why/
March 05/2020
China’s cases of Covid-19 are finally declining. WHO expert Bruce Aylward
explains why.
There’s one country in the world that currently has the most knowledge of and
experience with Covid-19: China.In recent weeks, though, the number of new i
nfections and deaths reported in China has been declining, which suggests spread
of the virus may have peaked there and that transmission is slowing down.
At the same time, cases are rapidly increasing in several other countries, with
major outbreaks in South Korea, Italy, and Iran — and a growing case count in
the United States.
Bruce Aylward
Are they (China) hiding things? No, they are not. We looked at many different things to try to corroborate that cases are dropping. When I went to fever clinics and talked to people working there, they’d say, “We used to have a line out the door, and now we see a case once per hour.”
According to the national data, fever clinics went from seeing 46,000 people per
day at one point and it’s now down to 1,000. So there’s been a huge drop in
numbers into the feeder system.
Second thing: When talking to physicians in hospitals, I heard again and again
that we have open beds, we can get people isolated even more rapidly. I heard
that in Wuhan and other provinces. The third thing: I talked to people running
clinical trials of drugs, and they are having a problem recruiting patients. All these
things helped corroborate [China’s data].
It’s also a predictable pattern which happens in population biology Wolf. The epicentre, or “ground zero” is the first hit, and recognised – the incident peaks there.
As it spreads out in a wave, like a pebble dropped in a pond, the waves move out from Ground zero, also after a few waves, reaching less and less intensity. At this point, the central waves have expended their energy and water here is flat.
Whilst human behaviours of course do have an impact, there is a built in pattern of replication while spreading which seems in many many cases to have the same effect.
Is Pompeo not a total idiot? I think he is and worse. Look at this .. it is China’s fault that the US is now on the back foot re Covid-19
Pompeo Claims ‘Imperfect Coronavirus Data’ From China Has Put US ‘Behind the Curve’
https://sputniknews.com/us/202003061078494563-pompeo-claims-imperfect-coronavirus-data-from-china-has-put-us-behind-the-curve/
I had visions of sending missiles up his big white fat political … you know what. Oh heavens! And then I could not stand the vision of his big white fat political you know what .. and refrained from this vision :-)
China’s data is not accurate and not complete because if you are fighting this kind of weap… uhm virus, you struggle to do that as well. The data is as accurate and as complete as what can be expected. Many believe that China knew about this long before they said anything and therefore they are responsible. So, the hatred gets churned and churned.
Together with deranged statements such as this from Pompeo, Russia (by the voice of Maria Zakharova but I have not found her specific briefing yet) says that Moscow now believes that starting a nuclear conflict is now ‘a political option’ for Washington. I’ll go and look for her statement – RT reports here (no doubt we have to find Zakharova’s statement in full before consuming this message completely).
https://www.rt.com/news/482489-us-nuclear-political-option/
Zakharova’s briefings are here if someone has time to search through for the real statement.
https://www.mid.ru/en_GB/press_service/spokesman/briefings
On Covid-19
If you take a look at the overnight new cases, it really is beginning to be alarming. It is here
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
and scroll down just a bit to
Latest Updates
March 6 (GMT):
The writing on alternative methods (non-pharmaceutical) for self-protection is coming along and will be posted in https://saker.community/ for discussion.
Most of the hard writing is done, it is just now for editing and for adding links and so on. Its been a busy week, so, this became last priority and yet, I feel I must get it done now, so I am hoping for a quiet day to push on for this. Here is the rough outline, that was done by Teranam13.
Proposed Protocol (non-pharma)
1. Stay in compassion always. ( I do the 91st Psalm ) be willling to serve
2. Never go to a hospital or when to go
3.Keep inflammatory foods, exposure to pollutants etc at a minimum
4. Prime the immune system every 3 days with herbals but not more frequent so that the body does not becomes “fast” to it. Just like a knock on the door. There is a theory that viruses move in complexes of virus, bacteria, mycoplasma and parasites and viruses usually do not operate alone.
5. Use your usual protocol for winter colds etc. (Have expectorant and decongestant at hand).
6. Use frequency modulator to control hyper response which you will know by an uptake in asthmatic or any auto immune symptoms.
7. Other techniques
8. Finally, if merited a last step which the medical-police state does not like and calls illegal.
Those that follow a non-pharmaceutical path can prep with already taking Chaga tea, liposomal Vit C and as much sun exposure as is possible, at least 3 times a week for 1 hour (open torso) to build up Vit D and the D family. We will tell you how to make liposomal at home, buy chaga now! It will disappear. The information is drawn from TCM practitioners in Wuhan and then a knowledge over many years from many people. OK, back to work I go to get this done, but please put any questions here for now.
– Have a serious conversation with your immediate family as to what you are going to do. You may decide to self-quarantine and to set up a quarantine room should someone in the family get infected. Start learning from experienced nurses here.
Kent may be able to tell us if people in Europe can get Chaga from him?
Amarynth, what is a ” frequency modulator”?
Thanks.
Anon, I’ll exlain as the writing gets done – this piece is not completely done yet .. And I’m writing believe you me. But there is also frequencies on the internet that can be used with a set of headphones. Some of us have modulators and generators. Perhaps Teranam13 steps by and can pick this up.
There are smartphone apps to generate audible “frequency” output is to phone speaker but through headphone jack it could be outputted to other devices such as coils. Few apps may have selectable wave form sinusoidal, square, saw tooth.
Just saying
Goodness .. really – now you’re teaching me something — I’ve never worked with this. My generator has a remote mode (some brilliant Rife guy from my home country made it and created it and I just love him but he has long passed away), so I can see how this would be hands-free and worth it. But we work with a bit of DNA (fingernail or something to create that Spooky action at a distance – the entanglement). I don’t intuitively understand how these smartphone frequencies would know who their ‘target’ is :-) but maybe I’m just a little dumb at the moment.
For our purposes now, we’re going to go with ‘pre-formatted’ stuff and wave forms already modulated to work at their peak for this purpose. So, for now, let me stick to what I know.
OK, let me continue with my work :-) and write this stuff up to try and assist folks with this virus thing.
No harm nor lecturing was intended, just saying!
Let’s all assume there is always something new to add to our knowledge we have already, that’s why there are symposiums to exchange pieces of the knowledge and those who gain the most are the careful listeners not the speakers.
I applaud you for your contribution anyway.
Not at all taken in any non-positive way … thanks for alerting me to this. I do believe the next phase of proper ‘medicine’ will depend heavily on these frequency type developments so, I’m thankful to see that it is getting to be easier for people.
:)
“Alternative” medicine of our ancestors is being rediscovered and few are breaking jail walls. Canada legalized marijuana and suddenly there is truly a miracle cure for many problems and some are wondering how such effective herb became illegal in past lol. There are many documented stories of suppression of real cures on behalf of pharma.
Yes, there is lots to discover atop of the already known in applying alternate magnetic field of certain frequency and wave shape to human body for better or worse. Same with permanent magnets used for healing for ages.
As per Royal Rife apparatus it’s a great invention and with current technologies and access to once expensive electronic lab equipment (used HP wave generator for pennies on Craigslist) it is possible to explore many new possibilities.
Best of luck to you.
Here is my humble explanation from a non technical or scientific background ( I did work as a respiratory therapist long ago). Here is a very technical article about EMF and wound healing. What I am grappling with now is how to be effective in a community about ( in my belief) to be slammed with a bioweaponized viral pneumonia.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236837580_Extremely_low_frequency_electromagnetic_field_and_wound_healing_Implication_of_cytokines_as_biological_mediators
So to quote:
” The ELF-EMF ( extremely low frequency-Electrical magnetic field which are sine waves up to 300 Hz but usually under 100Hz and low amplitutde, .2-20mT) represents a form of non-ionizing, low energy electromagnetic field radiation capable of inducing physiological effects.:
This seems to be a fair enough definition. to continue then
” Low frequency fields with specific wave shapes and amplitude are referred to as pulsed electromagnetic fields ( PEMFS), a sub set of ELF=EMF. In particular therapy, waves are grouped under the general heading of PEMF technology. …. ” in general, EMFs have been found to produce a variety of biological effects.:
1. cell proliferation
2. cell differentiation
3. cell cycle
4. apoptosis
5.DNA replication
6.cytokine expression
This last one is of supreme interest to me as one of the reported problems with the viral bioweapon is an acute
( after about 5-8 days of respiratory distress) cytokine storm which is an unregulated auto immune response by the body focussed in the lungs which kills the patient. Thus, the pictures of people dropping down dead . Yes, that happens…Acute Respiratory Distress Symptom. I’ve seen it kill within one hour of admission to ICU and in
a 35 year old healthy male.
OK. Here is what is most important about this article even if it only about wound healing problems and solutions.
“These experiments indicate that EMF exposure accelerates the switching from inflammatory phase to final repair phase during wound healing.” ( with non inflammatory cytokines)
Basically one wants an immune response if the virus penetrates the lungs which includes inflammation (mucous, cough, fever etc) but you want it to switch off when its work is done. So the aspect of this
Satanic assault( my opinion) in which the normal balance of the body is subverted is one that Amarynth and I are delving into.
Yes .. this is when the immune system, that works in defense of the physical body and does the right things, literally goes bananas and confused and forgets what it is there for and simply functions in overdrive.
On the next article over in the saker.community, I detail two physio therapy techniques to physically move the mucous from deep in the lungs to higher where it can be coughed up. And this is where a body flooded with the properties of Chaga Tea has a better ability to modulate this specific runaway immune response as this is exactly what Chaga does.
There is further good news – large parts of the world is just kicking over the secrecy and saying we will have the research that we need. Check this guy out .. They just got Elserivier, Wiley, Springer and other huge research conglomerates where you have to pay dearly for research to cough up every research ever done on corona virii and open it up for free. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1236150599760130054
All this research is now on an open site: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/
Read through that twitter feed to get a real idea what is going on. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing
“as much sun exposure as is possible, at least 3 times a week for 1 hour (open torso) to build up Vit D and the D family.” That’s no good in the N Hemisphere now. Rather supplement with 5000IU vitamin D3 per day to raise what is probably for most their low D3 levels.
Ralph, I’m talking sun, the real one – because we have early test results available. I’m not pulling these things out of my nose you know :-)
Thanks for the non-pharma tips, amarynth. Not that pharma can’t heal anything, but there are also disadvantages.
May I add this cool real time coronavirus tracker dashboard: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
(For those with a Michael Snyder-mood ;-) )
Though I still distrust those ‘official’ numbers. My instinct tells me it’s far worse.
Cheers, Rob
American comedian presents funny side of quarantine in China (ends at 16.00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-zeGU78-A
An American comedian has raised funds and sent medical supplies to affected areas in China by doing what he does best: Making people laugh. He is Jesse Appell, a former Fulbright scholar who studied the traditional art of Chinese comedy – Xiangsheng, or “cross-talk.” After returning to the U.S. over the Chinese New Year, he found himself unable to go back to China because of the COVID-19 outbreak. He barely sat still, putting on performances and presenting the funny side of Chinese lives in quarantine.
Jesse Appell
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuei4wLhQkQyyazpctkoKqA/videos?disable_polymer=1
The best MUST WATCH!
【STANDUP】FUN IN QUARANTINE! Coronavirus Charity Standup Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQQnH-A0fug
Now pls excuse me from going back to madness :D HA
Regarding Corona:
Look on the Sunny Side, Always on the Sunny Side!
In terms of the Sun….its Corona is nearly invisible……..until there is a Total Eclipse.
In terms of the Earth……….the sunny side of its Year of Corona…..Global Multipolar Cooperation……….. is only evident with the Incipient Total Eclipse of Empire!
Harley breaks down the opportunity for y’all …a rare event after a few centuries of “The Sun Never Sets”…………on the British Empire…… (Until a TOTAL Eclipse, that is!) now “dawning” upon the earth….sped up……..to…..three centuries in 10 minutes:
https://youtu.be/ijl1cmkcJds
Coronoavirus Forces Cooperation, ……….
Corona Virus accelerates moves toward global cooperation. The time has come to complete the unfinished business of World War II, and use upcoming summits for a New Bretton Woods and end the colonial system.
The summit where Pompeo among other uncooperative dividers……..(we have them here too.)…..will be entirely useless and counter-productive to the actual needs of the heads of state that are preparing to meet there. Including Trump.
Focus on what’s Real
It’s time to make a Deal.
How to learn? A brief synopsis on learning:
http://www.bushfarms.com/beeslearning.htm
Thanks to an earlier commentor for linking to Michael Bush, the Nebraskan beekeeper, am sharing this link to his webpage. Of all the discussions on learning, how to learn, and education in general, this is the best!!! IMHO
Also, check out his translation and reprint of Francis Huber, the blind beekeeper Swiss scientist.
The Russian View of Various Matters:
“I don’t always drink beer, but when I do, It’s Corona.”
https://f.vividscreen.info/soft/a4d4ae24a50c51380255eea123cd3dde/Corona-Extra-2048×2048.jpg
These days in Russia are an icy time…..and they take Corona with a disinfecting Lime.
And it’s BYOB and BYOL (Bring Your Own Beer ….to the party….and Bring Your Own Lime.) unlike in the Soviet Past….when The People Paid…and the Party Members Played
Meanwhile in ‘Murica it’s OPB………….which used to be the Practical Yachtsman’s Credo ………. of enjoying Other People’s Boats and leaving the owner with the cleanup, the moorage fees, the varnishing, the painting, the fuel bills….but now the pendulum has also swung to the opposite ideological extreme here……………and the B in OPB stands for “beer”:
https://im0-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=787d25eca47078d276efb61902d24dab&n=13&exp=1
But back to the Russian Long View Of Everything In One Article with Short Sentences:
https://www.unz.com/ishamir/syria-corona-aipac/
This part may make you want to order a Corona Beer …..or Virus…or, if you’re a Nice English Lady….a pint or two of Guinness…or whatever gets your Irish up:
“I have a warm spot for the Turkish ruler. He is not universally popular; many Turks hate him; Turkish economy is in a bad shape; by going to Libya he overextended his resources. Still he is a great man. If he would come to his senses and make peace with his neighbour Bashar al-Assad, his problems would be solved. It would be a difficult decision, bearing in mind many years of strife and bad blood; but great rulers are those who make hard decisions.
Such a man was Marshal Mannerheim who embraced Josef Stalin in 1944. He survived, and Finland survived and flourished thanks to this decision. Putin had tried to make peace with Ukrainian presidents; he befriended Erdogan. Trump had met with Kim, tried to make peace with Taliban. This is a sign of true greatness.”
But never fear! And be of Good Cheer:
In the Long Russian View of Things “Corona Isn’t Beer”.
So what is it, weak piss?? Compared to Stoly, Smirnoff, and the “Flagman” (Водка «Флагман»):Yuri bought me, I sorta see Shamir’s point:
“Corona isn’t Beer”
“There is nothing to panic about, said Trump about the Corona, and he is right. Corona is a mental virus of fear, not much else. We have a sterling proof: the Diamond Princess liner had been marooned in the ideal, for virus, circumstances of single ventilation system. Many people had got the decease, but only two persons, aged over 80, had died. No children became sick. Apparently it could be dangerous only for people over 60. There was no reason for panic at all.
I am proud of being a virus denier, and it feels good to have President Trump on our, deniers, side. We know it is less dangerous than usual flu, even if more contagious. Ignore, and everything will be fine.”
I admire Russian stoicism.
As well as the capacity to change subjects often, all within one article. The “Gaining Immunity to the AZ Virus” conclusion:
Bernie and AIPAC
A lot of surprises in Dem primaries! Sanders’ victory in first three primaries, a very rare occurrence. And then victory of Biden in SC primaries. Afro-Americans are an obedient folk despite their reputation of rebelliousness. They voted for Biden, the Senile Thief of Ukraine, as their bosses told them to. That is why Clinton et al like them so much! Real rebels, like MLK or wonderful Cynthia McKinney are rare. The vast majority still does what they are told.
But the biggest surprise is Bernie Sanders’ decision to give a miss to AIPAC gathering. It is a sign of wisdom for politician. It means he knows the secret that many people know but nobody utters. American people are sick and tired of what they see as Jewish predominance, and in particular of its obvious Israeli angle. They won’t admit it even on the rack, but you have to see how their eyes flash when they hear that. Donald Trump captured the American hearts when he said to AIPAC, “You’re not going to support me because I don’t want your money.” They didn’t understand what he meant exactly, but they thought it is a noble sentiment. Now Sanders had made the next step, refusing to come to AIPAC at all.
The received wisdom is that you have to come to AIPAC hat in hand if you want to succeed in US politics. Bernie is right: people are tired of ordinary politicians. They want something different. The establishment calls that ‘populism’. By denying AIPAC, Bernie proclaimed his populist agenda. Even if he fails, he made a huge step on the way to release Americans from the Jewish bondage.
Silly racists believe that Jews are some bio-robots, always fitting the Jewish agenda. The reality is different. Free will is the Divine gift to Adam, and we all possess it, even if so many give it up for the reasons of convenience. Jews are not exceptional from this angle. Being Jewish is also a question of choice nowadays, like being a Native American for Senator Elizabeth Warren.
Millions of Americans who identify themselves as Jews aren’t considered ‘Jews’ by Orthodox Rabbis; they know it. If they still retain some Jewishness it is because they think it has positive value. The moment they will find out it is not so, the numbers of American Jews will shrink rapidly. Only Orthodox Jews will remain ‘Jews’, a small not-too-prosperous Amish-like minority.
If and when this melting of American Jewish identity will occur, the decision of Senator Sanders to skip AIPAC pow wow will be seen as a turning point in the right direction.”
Bro
AT least 8 people have died from the Diamond princess – 7 in japan and 1 in Australia. there were about 3200 people (about 2800 passengers) aboard of whom 8 are dead. In addition 34 are in a critical condition so if only 25% of those die we have 15 at least dead. That does not include the 43 who went back to US and the others who went to UK etc and at a guess let us assume that 5 of the repatriated people eventually die (most are older). So 20 /2800. So we are looking at at least a 0.7% death rate and if more of those critically sick people die then it could well approach the 3.4% or more that is reported from Wuhan.
Be a virus denier if you like but this is the data.
Watcher: I deny that I denied anything!
Did you notice that this sentence:
“I am proud of being a virus denier, and it feels good to have President Trump on our, deniers, side. We know it is less dangerous than usual flu, even if more contagious. Ignore, and everything will be fine.”
was/is ………………in quotes……………… indicating that Israel Shamir (not yours truly) wrote it, and not I…………??????
But that detail aside, do YOU deny that the greater “virus” is that of THE FEAR (which Shamir is quite immune to!) used to manipulate the masses in the direction of ……………New World Order EMPIRE policies …..(the Georgia Guidestones are a slick piece of mental work, if one falsely imagines that he or she reading them is Chosen to be Spared the Mass Culling It Commands!) that would eliminate BILLIONS of those overfearful of one thing……………..and not even aware of another, infinitely more deadly, thing????
Ummm???
Calling Asterix and Obelix fans. Now I’ve seen it all … Remember the Asterix chariot race against the Roman Charioteer? Well, the Roman Charioteer was called Coronavirus.
https://saker.community/2020/03/06/asterix-and-obelix-fans/
For those who missed this classical French set of cartoons in their youth, it was a bunch of Gauls fighting the Romans in around 50BC. Just loads of fun. Getafix, Dogmatix and even Unhygenics, the bacteria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asterix_characters
Complete Asterix and the Chariot race as RAR file
http://telemarksporten.no/SakerPhotos/37%20-%20Asterix%20and%20the%20Chariot%20Race%20(2017)%20(Dogmatix-Empire)%20(WebP%20by%20Doc%20MaKS).rar
Kent
It is a Nasty viral pneumonia which targets the lungs’s immune system:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca
This article contains a good critique of neo-liberalism in light of the predictable problems engendered by the corona virus.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/06/the-neoliberal-plague/
Open sentence of abstract published below reads as follows:
“Abstract
PURPOSE:
Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference.”
In other words, the flu shot may accelerate Coronavirus infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599?fbclid=IwAR18MOEqrb3tLd1gA8QPII5fdD_2lj4_LrlM9iEIcEtUOGBeL_QHdLp231Y
Well, that is just wonderful, now isn’t it. (Sarcasm)
Good for me that I fear pharmaceutical companies more than I fear the flu.
No flu vaccine for Mikey, thank you.
The conclusion, though:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.
it seems like there is something going on in ksa..
https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/status/1236073350088110081
via https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/with_replies
(i cant verify or find much info yet so i post it here instead of the news feed.)
I am blind it seems😔
https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-saudi-royal-family-members-detained-11583531033?emailToken=8f38c515a232a660a7656fbc6fd45a6f/niCc0uvL3dpogGzDlt23en6v+Gs7NTJukC4zTxswcAunlMOdX8zcmg7rhqsL257NeB/YV0+QVe4BLhTw60D9CBgORbOyumo84KsQSZTN2o%3D&reflink=article_copyURL_share
I somehow managed to miss this on the Y.N.M.S feed😣
The Erdoganzist
Made this 2 years ago
Free to use. Creative common license 5
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Erdogan_Flag_Faces_of_Evil_resize01.jpg
Enjoy (or not).
Kent
Two people who attended the AIPAC convention have come down with Coronavirus.
https://www.rt.com/usa/482542-aipac-two-positive-coronavirus/
OK, the first few sections on the alternative approach to Covid-19 are up.
These are:
Overview of the proposal
1. Stay in compassion always. Be willling to serve
2. Never go to a hospital or when to go
3.Keep inflammatory foods, exposure to pollutants etc at a minimum
4. Prime the immune system every 3 days with herbals but not more frequent so that the body does not becomes “fast” to it. Just like a knock on the door. There is a theory that viruses move in complexes of virus, bacteria, mycoplasma and parasites and viruses usually do not operate alone.
5. More Anti-Virals : Colloidal Silver, Food Grade Iodine and Oregano Oil
This ends at the preparation phase and what to do for protection. These sections are still being written and they will deal with .. Oh damn .. I have a cry hacking cough and my temperature is increasing.
6. Use your usual protocol for winter colds etc. (Have expectorant and decongestant at hand).
7. Use frequency modulator to control hyper response which you will know by an uptake in asthmatic or any auto immune symptoms.
8. Other techniques and Finally, if merited a last step which the medical-police state does not like and calls illegal.
OK, so where do you go?
You go to https://saker.community/
Choose on the left hand side Forums
Scroll down and choose the Health forum. It is here:
https://saker.community/forum/health/
Start with the overview here and work your way up to the other topics. They are all together.
https://saker.community/topic/protocol-non-pharmaceutical-for-covid-19-for-consideration/
You have to register to reply .. and will be given a Fort Knox type password.
I currently have problems with some registrations. If you have registered before I may have to do something for you – but this is a technical issue which I’ll try to sort out today. If you have other problems with registration, just go to the home page and use the contact form to let me know.
Comments will be moderated and anonymous will need to choose a name.
This is the results of a massive collaboration of many many people – This comes from TCM practitioners, alternative health practitioners of all stripes, very knowledgeable nurses, various kinds of health practitioners, and folks that simply dove in and started collaborating to solve this problem for humanity. We’re not trying to shoot the nonsense here – these are all tried and tested and with the advent of this virus, every little bit of ‘what is working’ is included. I count people from 8 countries. This should all be real actionable intelligence and not expensive at all.
Awesome! Much to think about esp if one needs to set up a quarantine room inside the house for a family member… or need to navigate through the official covid-19 hospital systems… suddenly its not some ‘fake’ news from china anymore…
A few more TCM ingredients that could help…
https://theculturetrip.com/asia/china/articles/11-chinese-tcm-ingredients-scientifically-proven-to-improve-your-health/
Be safe there
Such excellent health information at Saker.community. Thank you so much A and T13.
k
Your Haiku has been sent to Saker … he will determine if he wants it on the site … mod
Will I be banned and banished for stating publicly that I don’t buy the Covid-19 story ?
My Haiku twice posted has been trashed… ?
I’m interested.
You might consider posting it in the Saker community thread listed here by Amarynth.
Kent
P.S You have a name?
Kent, vous êtes trop amusant monsieur, avez-vous d’autres idées, nom?
No. Sorry.
Regards
Kent
You see friend, it’s like this. I wrote the Haiku above, and Saker trashed it, as is his prerogative. But every time he does this, he has to trash some poem or comment by a faithful poster.
But why bother, for someone known far and wide, what can possibly cause harm, wound, or threaten in a minuscule poem, written based upon a panorama of current affairs I have observed on msm, etc, and which people here are discussing ? Perhaps the humorous twist it contained, search me.
Ras
Roger Waters was on with Tucker Carlson last night about Julian Assange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8lRg-DVNdc
Let’s sing along with Turkey in tonight’s God-awful Eurovision ”Song” Contest:
Pamela
Your statement Moveable Feast Cafe March 03 2020…
“It’s this which we should be thinking about and fearing – not a new variant of a common cold, which leads to death almost only in elderly compromised people, and will soon peak and die out.
The coronavirus will go. They all do. Even the terrible Spanish Flu which killed millions is now a natural part of our world and has gone as a major threat.”
A simple question…are you beginning to question your “conclusion about scientific findings” or is CV-19 still merely a “new variant of a common cold”?
This is Liz Specht’s maths in regard to a looming crisis in the US health system.
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095180459003909
and
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-in-europe-italy-france-uk-germany-see-higher-cases.html
Certainly looks a tad worse than the common cold from where I’m standing…but then again what the hell would I know… being merely a farmer and sadly ignorant in regard to not having any background or qualification in the sciences.
The CV-19 crisis will turn out to be the Black Swan event that we have been fearing.
This swan has a multitude of fast-growing cygnets swimming along in its wake…and guess what… every single one of them is jet black.
One of these cygnets is the US fracking industry… https://tomluongo.me/2020/03/06/russia-just-told-the-world-no/
All of the rest of the family are equally dangerous too and grow alarmingly each and every day.
And yet this whole event is simply “a new variant of the common cold”…Sigh.
Goodness me…
Italy just drafted a decree that tells people not to enter or leave the regions of Lombardy and 11 other provinces
…some “common cold’ this one!
YCHMTSU
“A simple question…are you beginning to question your “conclusion about scientific findings” or is CV-19 still merely a “new variant of a common cold”?”
1. No I am not. The science has not changed, nor has any new information been released, apart from some small scale findings regarding ACEII cells in Oriental peoples. The information released by the Virology expert at the Ministry of Health, Russian Federation, remains unchanged. I quote again ” this virus will return to the animal host it came from, the epidemic will cease, to return in a few years time”. Since there is no change to the Virology science, I see no reason to change or question my conclusions about the findings of laboratory virologists.
2. Yes, the CoV-2019 is a variant of the Coronavirus, which, like about 200 other related viruses, causes the Common Cold.
3. What has also not changed is the media and politically driven false hysteria. You are impressed because the Italian Government, which is currently under much stress from a few causes, not the least the pressure from Turkey to release million or more non-genuine “refugees” via Greece to flood their country has taken a rather extreme human population movement control step.
Does it not occur to you that for Europe to put into place some very stringent people movement controls right now is a good way of prohibiting migrants being allowed in on the demands of those who would see Europe destroyed by being overtaken by Muslim African and Middle Eastern people.
This virus has come as a breath of air and relief, I would suggest, to many countries.
As a disease, it’s nothing.
As a means of Governments using violence to prevent incursion by foreign backed “refugees” being accepted by the population at large, it’s a God send.!!
From the Centre for Disease Control, this WEEK alone, and in America ALONE re Influenza we have the following:
P&I: The percentage of deaths attributed to influenza and associated pneumonia is 6.9% just below epidemic rates of of 7.3%
Paediatric deaths from Influenza : so far for this season 11 occurred THIS WEEK, the total for the entire season has been 136.
The CoV – 2019, re Paediatric cases shows “Data show that the rate of infected among children and adolescents under 18 years of age is relatively low. Less children are being infected with this disease.
16.Relatively few serious cases among the population under 19 years: 2.5% – seriously ill and 0.2% – in extremely severe cases. So far there have no Paediatric deaths.
World wide death rate from worldometers.com gives world wide death rate as 3.36%. In the USA [thus comparable to the Influenza] it is 0.99% with a 0 reading for 0 -9 yrs [unlike Influenza] and a 1.3% for 9 – 59 yrs olds.
The figures thus clearly and objectively demonstrate that the death rate per head of infected persons, and the age distribution, along with the genomic structure of CoV-2019 demonstrates that this is a mild infection in 80% of more of cases, with the severe cases being contained to those elderly who already have underlying disease states i.e. it is congruent with being a variant of a Common Cold.
The figures for Influenza render it clearly much more threatening, especially as it hits the young and fit and children very hard, causing deaths.
The figures for this week alone, while the politically generated hysteria for CoV-2019 has been running at fever pitch – with a UK Daily Mail headline screaming “WE ARE AT WAR” – have in fact shown 11 paediatric deaths in US alone. No-one, it seems, gives a damn about those.
I would also point out that the death rate this week of Influenza infected patients is a mere 0.4% below that for an epidemic!!!
Personally I’m not a bit concerned about CoV-2019. I’m working hard to stay fit to combat Influenza though. Very much.
Great news indeed!
…myself and indeed the entire world have nothing to worry about then.
Maybe we should all worry ourselves sick about contracting a terminal case of the hiccups instead.
You said…”This virus has come as a breath of air and relief, I would suggest, to many countries.
As a disease, it’s nothing”
…IMO this is absolutely the most outrageously, irresponsible troll-like statement that I have seen on this site to date.
Col
No Pamela is simply a “professional”who is pre-programed to believe what the authorities tell her. Oddly enough i am sure that if it was in a non medical field Pamela would be as open as anyone, but we are ALL victims of what we were taught at university and the authorities we were told were the best of the best.
It is very hard to overcome – age helps. I am sure I am not immune to the same sort of preconceived bias, especially in fields i was taught at uni or late high school. They seem to be the most rigid elements of our thinking.
As i think I posted the other day, scientists even the best of them stay very, very loyal to to theories they held at 28-30. It becomes a personal insult to query them.
Pamela believes the CDC. i gave up on them in 2014 when they insisted that the gear to protect health workers was the same as for AIDS and the MSF people who said otherwise were a bunch of pansies and it was a “third world” problem. It fell apart quickly after nurses in the USA go sick but it was clearly an arrogant an irresponsible handling of the situation. i realised then that they were no longer the repository of wisdom re infectious diseases.
In defense of Pamela and calm rationality I could easily say the exact same thing the Colonel has said………..
“…IMO this is absolutely the most outrageously, irresponsible troll-like statement that I have seen on this site to date. ”
…about his comment, as a first reaction.
I reserve that judgment however, to give us all time to determine whether Kiwi Colonel is just a panicked soldier,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that doesn’t understand what kind of a war this actually is…….. and is in “flight forward”…..charging the wrong enemy…blindly, bayonet fixed…….fully baited by them………just.a victim…..a mental or emotional casualty of this war (more likely is my guess….) OR……….. a witting accomplice/troll on their behalf (less likely…but we’ll soon see!).
This may seem harsh…but it is far more moderate than his assessment of Pamela’s intentions….IMHO..
I don’t know De Souza all that well and reserve judgment on some of the Extra-dimensional analysis earlier in this interview…..but the segment just prior to this Corona part of the interview, while couched in general terms I KNOW to be correct.
His assessment …in a nutshell…..from a completely different background……mirrors that of “Proud Denier” Israel Shamir, in terms of it petering out soon……end of March more or less……”but WAIT….There’s MORE” coming in the way of bioweapons and fearmongering…because THIS ONE has been a Yuge Tactical Success…as measured by the disproportionate fear and hysteria ….we see in some right here…among us.
https://youtu.be/VBilLYanFSE?t=4379
I suggest removing the bayonet and not stabbing any allies……and then putting on your Thinking Helmet…after reviewing what John De Souza says….about this “great success” of the Western Lamestream Russia-Gating Fear- Mongering Media (there’s your Cabal enemy, Colonel…..get pointed in the right direction before you charge!…)……maybe 3-4 times.
“IMO this is absolutely the most outrageously, irresponsible troll-like statement that I have seen on this site to date.”
Over 12 hours ago I submitted my refutation of the above attack. At no time – in my life – have I ever ever acted to deliberately create argument and confusion, and I rejected it.
This comment of mine was not published. It looks an awful lot like censorship – i can be attacked, but I cant respond. (You have had seven comments approved over the last 12 hours. There are no comments in trash. Comments sometimes end up in spam – can’t see it there either. Mod.)
If this is so, this will be the last comment I will make here.
I see another comment stating that I am some sort of programmed idiot unable to think for herself.
And all I did was point out that a vast amount of very damaging fear is being generated by the PTB which is not valid according to the science. I provided good solid support for my statement.
I had thought Freedom of Speech might be valued at the Saker.
Maybe I was wrong.
If this is censored, if my previous comments are not published, this will be last time I write here, so I wish to thank all those who have written so kindly to me. I have saved some of your very decent responses, so they are with me always.
Life for me at the moment is a bit tough – so your kindness has double the value.
Dear Pamela
I’m sorry that you are enduring difficulties
If I may offer a modicum of consolation:
Let Go and Let God
For every word of wisdom you offer, you will be assaulted with hundreds of put-downs: it
is the human condition
I have derived great consolation over decades of the same from numerous sources but especially the following from Einstein:
“The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science”
Peace be with You
Thank you Babushka, very much. You’re very kind.
I agree wholeheartedly with Einstein, by the way. It’s interesting to me that I have found more spirituality that resonated with me from scientists than from people in any other walk of life. Fritjof Capra, Max Planck,; in the end, all their searchings for answers through mathematics, science, the rational, brought them to the mysterious mystical. But then, I”m Cymraeg – we’re notorious for our “land of mists and wizards”. :-)
Babushka: “Peace be with You”
response” “And with thy spirit”
@Pamela
You are relatively new here, therfore keep calm, you’ll have to get used to many different people’s mind, ask the waiter for a Wodka…I’ll pay !
Pamela
You are a health related scientist so I wish to reply in some detail to each of your points
Pamela “1. No I am not. The science has not changed, nor has any new information been released, apart from some small scale findings regarding ACEII cells in Oriental peoples. The information released by the Virology expert at the Ministry of Health, Russian Federation, remains unchanged. I quote again ” this virus will return to the animal host it came from, the epidemic will cease, to return in a few years time”. Since there is no change to the Virology science, I see no reason to change or question my conclusions about the findings of laboratory virologists.”
Well your point here HAS been destroyed Completely. First I posted and article which summarised 36 studies about ACEII receptors which DID show a racial/geographic difference. secondly there is clear published evidence that Covid 19 (SARS 2 its Actual name) like SARS used ACEII receptors. Now this does NOT imply anything much about its origin, since it is now established as a SARS variant. So let us JUST stick with the science.
“2. Yes, the CoV-2019 is a variant of the Coronavirus, which, like about 200 other related viruses, causes the Common Cold.”
Actually Pamela it is Now listed as a variant of SARS so it IS a little more than a common cold.
“3. What has also not changed is the media and politically driven false hysteria. You are impressed because the Italian Government, which is currently under much stress from a few causes, not the least the pressure from Turkey to release million or more non-genuine “refugees” via Greece to flood their country has taken a rather extreme human population movement control step.”
Pamela, It is clear you are a biochemist but you have No understanding of public health. In a situation such at this there is No Other way to stop the spread of the virus except by strict quarantine and restrictions on movement. The Known data from China shows about 18% of those over 80 die from the disease. So if it spreads like a common cold affecting say 20% of the population then you seem more than happy to accept that roughly 1/10 of those over 80 and about 1/20 of those over 70 will pop off this mortal coil. Now I am NOT happy with that. Economically of course it may be great – get rid of all those resource draining oldies.
“Does it not occur to you that for Europe to put into place some very stringent people movement controls right now is a good way of prohibiting migrants being allowed in on the demands of those who would see Europe destroyed by being overtaken by Muslim African and Middle Eastern people.”
That was Not the case in China
“This virus has come as a breath of air and relief, I would suggest, to many countries.
As a disease, it’s nothing.
As a means of Governments using violence to prevent incursion by foreign backed “refugees” being accepted by the population at large, it’s a God send.!!”
Pamela this is tinfoil hat stuff.
“From the Centre for Disease Control, this Week alone, and in America ALONE re Influenza we have the following:
P&I: The percentage of deaths attributed to influenza and associated pneumonia is 6.9% just below epidemic rates of of 7.3%
Paediatric deaths from Influenza : so far for this season 11 occurred THIS WEEK, the total for the entire season has been 136.”
Pamela First let me say that just about Everything from the CDC needs to be discarded. This was clear from their response to Ebola, but now it is much, much worse. It probably is the worst Public health agency in the developed world. Sad because 30 years ago it was the very best, now it is a joke – it cannot even get accurate test kits.
The CDC had not been testing for this virus and has no idea what is happening. indeed (more later) it is probable that many of the reported “flu”deaths were in fact Corona.
Now YOU in Melbourne should now be very, very aware, that this virus is rampant in the USA and clearly under reported. How do we know. well you local GP who went to Denver and came back with Corona indicated that it is bloody easy to catch over there. I assume he attended a big concert with his daughter (for non Australians it turns out this GP’s daughter is none other than Missy Higgins a very well known singer songwriter). He is a bloody Toorak GP ie VERY, VERY well connected. (Toorak in Melbourne is where the super rich reside)
“The CoV – 2019, re Paediatric cases shows “Data show that the rate of infected among children and adolescents under 18 years of age is relatively low. Less children are being infected with this disease.”
“”16.Relatively few serious cases among the population under 19 years: 2.5% – seriously ill and 0.2% – in extremely severe cases. So far there have no Paediatric deaths.”
Pamela – This is true, but I have read very recently that as the infection spreads more children are being detected. This is I assume a HUGE issue for public health people right now. More scary I have read that one hypothesis for the different rates of severe disease with age is that because SARS 2 causes an auto immune response (this is KNOWN) that older people have been exposed to more colds in their time and react more severely. second waves of a slightly mutated virus after say 2 years could prove much more severe for children- this is of course still a HYPOTHESIS.
“”World wide death rate from worldometers.com gives world wide death rate as 3.36%. In the USA [thus comparable to the Influenza] it is 0.99% with a 0 reading for 0 -9 yrs [unlike Influenza] and a 1.3% for 9 – 59 yrs olds.”
Pamela what are you READING – it is NOT up to date. The current worldometer shows US death rate of 4.8%
“The figures thus clearly and objectively demonstrate that the death rate per head of infected persons, and the age distribution, along with the genomic structure of CoV-2019 demonstrates that this is a mild infection in 80% of more of cases, with the severe cases being contained to those elderly who already have underlying disease states i.e. it is congruent with being a variant of a Common Cold.”
Pamela where are you getting this info from. COVID-19 is NOW declared a variant of SARS – Indeed its official name is SARSCOVID -2, with COVID-19 a name given by WHO to describe the DISEASE not the virus.
“The figures for Influenza render it clearly much more threatening, especially as it hits the young and fit and children very hard, causing deaths.”
Pamela – This is the sort of complacent rot spread by the USA CDC. Let us look at Australia (for non Aussies we are a middle sized country with a good public health system) and now coming up to fle season.
Influenza – say infection rate of 10% (based on US data for a typical year) with a mortality rate of 01%. So in Australia we may expect 2.5 million to be sick and and deaths of 2,500. Most will be in the already sick and old, but a substantial number of children also.
COVID19 – the infection rate from Wuhan and from the number of cases in evacuated populations seems to be about 0.5% (possibly more) and up to 25% in contained vulnerable groups eg aged care – use the diamond princess for a case study.) assuming in China there were quite a few mild or non symptomatic cases (especially in children) it is likely that the infection rate was closer to 1% (to be expected where there is zero herd immunity). But let us be conservative and assume 0.5% – so 1.25 million affected in Australia.
Now the WHO has looked at China and the infection is on the decline there so the data is starting to look like final data (I said Starting not final). There the death rate is 3.6%. It may go up with time or down, but since this IS a SARS virus i think we should assume that as with SARS the original estimate was way too low. However let us assume a 3% death rate although i predict 6% will be the final upshot. So in Australia with 1.25 mill cases (assuming 0.5% infection) we have a predicted DEATH number of 37,500 – rather worse than flu although better for children
“The figures for this week alone, while the politically generated hysteria for CoV-2019 has been running at fever pitch – with a UK Daily Mail headline screaming “WE ARE AT WAR” – have in fact shown 11 paediatric deaths in US alone. No-one, it seems, gives a damn about those.”
Well I give a damn but our public health people are Already working hard to prevent flu so what is your point
“I would also point out that the death rate this week of Influenza infected patients is a mere 0.4% below that for an epidemic!!!”
Pamela – I assume you are referring to USA. Now I will draw your attention to a program shown on Taiwanese TV and to apparent reports in Japanese news. it is suggested that in fact the strange spike in “flu”in the USA, especially the flu linked to vaping was in fact unreported/undetected corona virus, suggesting a very long circulation in the USA. The strange symptoms of the Vaping deaths do seem very like Corona but I am no expert here and there is not much published stuff in English. Also of interest was the diagram which suggest that the COVID19 started in the USA (or possibly even Australia). However as there is no actual methodology (not in English anyway) I cannot comment on the reliability of the data. It Looked methodologically OK but was very thin on detail. The basic idea as much as I can glean is that there is a greater diversity of COVID19 strains in USA, but I can see major holes in this assessment already so i do not rely on it at all. it is however of interest and worth investigation.
“Personally I’m not a bit concerned about CoV-2019. I’m working hard to stay fit to combat Influenza though. Very much.”
I on the other hand have always been careless about flu but take this one much, much more seriously. Fortunately the two go in tandem so preventing flu will also prevent COVID19
Please stop using capitals – its shouting – most words have been lower cased. Mod.
What about the old phrase when china sneezes, the whole world catches a cold. Can the global economy sustain 3 years of a severe cold when many are just a hospitalization from bankruptcy.
Just the thought of a personal bankruptcy can weaken the immune system making them less able to stay fit to combat the flu. This was the problem 100 years ago, many were suffering from malnutrition leading to a higher death rate.
With the U.S. unwillingness to isolate themselves from an economic standpoint, they may just infect themselves into poverty. We just had our first nyc uber driver in their 30’s contract the virus and who knows how many were driven by this person, plus the age concerns can now be considered a factor in the long run analysis.
Its not looking good here from an entrenched behavioral standpoint.
Alabama/ Watcher
Chris Martenson does an excellent daily update on CV-19 every day except Sunday [US].
His latest is….https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-why-the-us-is-in-deep-trouble/
One of the highlights of this link was at the 11.23 mark with a chart that illustrates how countries being on the front foot and very proactive can drastically reduce the spread rate and avoid their hospitals potentially being quickly overwhelmed.
The ‘I don’t want to know’, ‘don’t bother to use face masks’, or ‘this is no worse than the common cold’, countries all share disastrous exponential spread rates that will likely very quickly overwhelm their health systems. USA, Switzerland, UK, Belgium, Norway, and Sweden all show these almost identically disastrous graphs.
Singapore and Hong Kong were very proactive almost from day one and have entirely different shaped graphs.
At the 14.23 mark, Chris also highlights some very startling observations from a series of tweets by Liz Specht…
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095180459003909
Chris Martenson has a catchphrase describing how this virus spreads…it is
Case, Case, Case
Cluster, Cluster
Boom
Key points from the overall presentation…
#1 Its too late to avoid a bad outcome for all the ‘boom’ countries
#2 Local Hospitals [in Seattle, say] will get swamped within a week or two.
Nationally, the nation is in a massive crisis by mid-May.
#3 You need to expect draconian measures to be implemented. When? Probably right around when the
hospitals the [currently] powerful people use become swamped.
#4 This has exposed an astonishing degree of hubris, incompetence, and a complete lack of human concern or
care.
#5 It didn’t have to be this way.
Also, I wonder if any of these AIPAC attendees in DC March1-2 [Pence, Pompeo, etc] amongst the 18,000, have ever been clouted behind the ear with a boomerang before? It may well be coming and sooner than they think.
https://time.com/5798696/aipac-coronavirus/
YCHMTSU
Col
I do not know what is worse. Supercilious pronouncements about fear, or supercilious ill-informed complacency.
Seemingly some do not take the lesson that we have right in front of us from the 2nd largest economy in the world lying lame still to today. They did not brutally quarantine for ‘just the flu’ and they did not let their economy be destroyed for ‘just the flu’.
I have a simple asynchronous metric that I run here. For reasons, I cannot just delete my spam box unseen, I have to check it. Usually I have sometimes 50 to 100 spam from China daily, for industrial products, rubber stuff, soaps and so on .. the usual industrial spam. The last say 3 weeks, I have but 2 or 3. Let that tell you something about this thing called a virus having laid lame the 2nd largest economy in the world. Does this make sense to anybody that says ‘it is just a cold’.?
In the mean time I have never seen so many people becoming adult, engaged, and involved in cross-disciplinary problem solving in my life before, across borders and cross sections of the world community. Whoever survives, let’s build our world anew.
On the numbers, even with the drop recorded from China, the log scales have now turned upward. Numbers are not reliable for many reasons, first being an idiotic response to simple testing so that the incoming numbers are just worthless, and then the percentages/statistics calculated being pretty worthless as well, but some countries are being responsible. Nevertheless the first case from the US to Australia (not a touchpoint with China) has just happened.
Let the ’10 foot pole’ thing stick. Those in fear can stay away further than a 10 foot pole, and the ill-informed complacency can also stay away the length of a bargepole, which is a 10 foot pole. This is about the limit that this thing called a virus can be spread via air (and hot air).
Flu, Influenza comes in seasons, and it is always with us. This thing that they call a virus, is non-seasonal, spreads like wildfire and is devastating now across age barriers/those with pre-existing conditions, does not leave immunity in its wake. Take a look at Iran in terms of young men. For ‘just the flu’ we don’t need to get people on ventilators and deal with cytokine storms +- 7 days after first symptoms. We just blow our noses and drink a little honey and lemon, fluids and rest. Try to do that with a cytokine storm – bye-bye baby.
Take a look at Italy now. Take a look at South Korea. And do those things that are just common sense to protect yourself and your people, and those around you without fear, without ill-informed complacency so that you have energy left over to serve the rest of people around you and help intelligently.
AIPAC confirms that two conference attendees have now tested positive for coronavirus. conf size? 18,000 attendees, including 2/3rds of Congress. This week, thousands of conference goers visited Capitol Hill offices. But not to worry, if the elites start dropping like flies, it will be ‘just the flu’. /sarc
Politically no statement by any government flunky from any government can now be taken at face value. They will all protect the knowledge – every single one of them – because they cannot afford panic taking hold in the population. So they will lie to you, they will tell you stories, and they will do everything in their power to keep you dumb and stupid. Well dumb and stupid will probably fall over and die. I have an idea that some of mankind is not going to fall over and die this time. We will see.
Extremely well said amarynth…Bravo, Bravo!
Cheers and very best regards
Col
dear friends, Pamela, watcher, amarynth, Col et al
A vibrant discussion we have here!
I think what our differences here is – the fear of unknown and the risk of this virus
To date, to be honest, we still dont know what EXACTLY is this virus about,
thus what EXACTLY it can or cannot do.
All we have here is info from china labs, hospitals and patients
and many protocols that was born as a response to all that
and thro WHO has been launched into the wider worlds…
Did you notice its all the same ‘disinfected’ images all in different countries?
Could it be ultimately a hoax and ‘just a cold’? YES, I would say. (PLS note I still refuse to pin any party down as the master-mind crime against humanity here)
The way I see is, its eerily similar to 9ONE1 ritual rolling out…
The protocol, the cure, the scripted-story has always been there years or even decades back… in Sci-Fi?
BUT on the individual level – This is where I have been stressing (and again here)
– is your well being
– is you NOT becoming a number to their ‘collateral damaged’ grade
– is you ultimately be FULLY responsible for your entire being (inc spiritual and spirits part)
Other than that… its clear now all gov are regime
and no one will miss the free circus show
no one dares to be ‘left alone’ and ‘left behind’ anyway if the new world is being born…
So Pam is not exactly wrong
but it seems she is more confident in her abilities, her well being and her health.
Its does appear to come down to individual mind-field and choices.
For me, I think to my SELF, I am NOTHING from NOTHINGNESS, why not go experience the madness and get a feel of the Juice of LIFE? While on earth?
As in the movie, Ready Player ONE, the only place to get a decent meal is on earth.
I personally think this is a frequency war, 6G and 7G stuff, as you know they are at least 50 years advance than the tech they let us use,
and so this virus could well be just the ‘presentation’
I think they are showing us some fancy nanotech just like they show us how the Twins can be melted like … you know… and all the ritual mind-f*ck stuff
I will stop here…
So friends :) Its real but the risk, therefore the projection can be greatly minimised or maximised, depending on each persons personal reading…
But the scars on the population (like COG and all the 1984 now gated in every airport and being on the gov-controlled cameras is now ‘normal’),
that scars will be another things to deal with,
even this virus suddenly gone with the wind…
Be Safe There
Here is what the US is doing with reporting Covid19 numbers. Do you see anything wrong with saying .. it is now endemic in the population, so, we don’t have to count it special? And they also count state by state, so, no country numbers are available. So, you won’t know what the real state is. Anyway .. 34 minutes and many numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=3etuaYTDwFI&feature=emb_logo
I think amarynth nailed it when he used the word ‘supercilious’.
In a forum such as this perhaps each and every one of us should expect a reaction of some sort when our comments are made in a certain tone. We are then presented with a number of choices.
#1 We can learn something from the experience and refine our tone
#2 Double down and carry on with the same old habit
#3 Unceremoniously throw all toys out of the cot in the hope that this reaction might bolster support
#4 Go quietly into the night and repeat the habit elsewhere
Col…’the farmer from NZ’ on March 08, 2020 · at 7:49 pm EST/EDT
I think amarynth nailed it when he used the word ‘supercilious’.
You should remember that when amarynth decided that my view is ‘supercilious” that is HER viewpoiont, and thus her interpretation, about which I can do nothing, and thus it reveals much more about HER than me.
I have no intention of changing of changing the way I try to express myself just to please someone whose mind I can have no effect on or control over.
Others might not see me as supercilious after all
Thank you Amarynth…So well written and so right-on.
I was speaking with a friend who has had immune issues all her life and so is very clued into hygiene, what works for her body, the hype of MDs etc even though she stays very plugged into the idiot(t) -pathic medical system.
We both agree that quarantine of Americans will be like herding cats. First, there will have to be dead bodies in the streets, then the National Guard called out and back from where-ever on the planet and then a few tragic deaths of cute kids publicized widely. Throw in a weeping News actor and a flag waving Presdent and voila .
If I were a foreign land I’d ban all flights from the USA now immediately .
Why do certain people continually gang up and fight against anyone voicing a different opinion on this virus topic ? It is amazing among intelligent adults, almost like rats in a cage who are frightened, sorry, that is the first thought that came to me, but where is the generosity of spirit, tolerance and ability to listen, to abstain, to be fair ? It’s weird.
Well I wait to see how things go here, and hopefully for better times and days, more acceptance, more humor, musics, uplifting thoughts, wider scope, less thugism ! Please gentlemen!
Just for You
As Time Goes By
https://youtu.be/AZj2ozo06oM
I found a book trough this article (https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/03/03/vasily-chuikov-greatest-infantry-combat-general-of-all-time/)
The battle for Stalingrad
by Chuikov, V. I. (Vasilii Ivanovich), 1900-1982
https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Chuikov%2C+V.+I.+%28Vasilii+Ivanovich%29%2C+1900-1982%22
I knew about him, just not that he had written a book that is translated into a language i understand, if you want to read it join me on the waitinglist 😀
(archive.org is a library with loads of free books available to the entire world BUT you must have an account to read this exact book)
Per/Norway, this might interest you and other readers here
Vasily Grossman’s Stalingrad articles, Pushkin House (Bloomsbury), 12 May, 7.00
Robert Chandler
Tue 03/03/2020 11:31
Dear all,
To mark the 75th anniversary of VE Day, I shall talk about the articles Grossman wrote from Stalingrad for Red Star. These constitute a real feat of courage, endurance and human understanding.
https://www.pushkinhouse.org/events/red-star
Vasily Grossman: Stalingrad articles for Red Star – a talk to mark the 75th anniversary of the end of World War Two — Pushkin House
Grossman’s Stalingrad articles provide a complete picture of what is often seen as the turning point of the Second World War. They give us both an overview of Soviet strategy and a sense of the day-to-day fighting over every square metre of apartment block and factory workshop. Several articles are
http://www.pushkinhouse.org
“An iron wind struck them in the face, yet they kept moving forward – and once again, probably, the enemy was gripped by a superstitious fear: Were these truly men marching towards them? Were they mortal? […] Yes, they were ordinary mortals and few of them survived, but they did what they had to.” (Vasily Grossman)
From August 1941 until 1945, Vasily Grossman worked as a correspondent for Red Star, a daily military newspaper of immense importance. Grossman’s biographers, John and Carol Garrard write, “The paper was distributed to both frontline troops and the civilian population; there were never enough copies. At the front, a single copy was read aloud to assembled groups of soldiers. The effect […] was much like that of a radio address or a dramatic reading in a theater. There really is no journalistic parallel in the West to Red Star’s role on the Eastern Front.”
Grossman’s Stalingrad articles provide a complete picture of what is often seen as the turning point of the Second World War. They give us both an overview of Soviet strategy and a sense of the day-to-day fighting over every square metre of apartment block and factory workshop. Several articles are long, complex portraits of individual soldiers – portraits of living human beings in all their contradictions. Grossman’s realism does not exclude historical, symbolic or spiritual perspectives. All in all, these articles are a far cry from the simplistic propaganda one might expect from an army newspaper.
Drawing on Grossman’s wartime notebooks, and on accounts by other memoirists, Grossman’s translator, Robert Chandler, will talk about how Grossman came to write these articles and about the relationship between them and Grossman’s two great novels about the Battle of Stalingrad.
Biological weapons
” A brief and horrific history of biological weapons and warfare”
https://www.sott.net/article/430261-A-brief-and-horrific-history-of-biological-weapons-and-warfare
Original from Global research.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/biological-weapons-useful-timely-factual-overview/5702842
Kent
I promised to keep you informed about about the viral bioweapon scene right here in Placer County, CA. The usual bureaucratic incompetence is never a surprise.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/police-quarantine-california-neighborhood-after-coronavirus-death
It “appears” that the gloves are off on the world oil markets:
-Russia refused OPEC’s demand for production cuts across the board;
-crude prices collapsed on 6 March by 10%;
-Saudis are promising to reduce its pricing substantially and increase production, thereby putting more pressure on world wide prices;
-some comments from Russian non-govt officials that this is in response to us attacks on nord stream 2 and sanctions on rosneft: paybacks are hell as this will accelerate bankruptcies among us shale producers.
Somewhat hyperventolated article from zero but most of the “facts” seem to be relatively accurate but the speculation is of course off the wall:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/putin-dumps-mbs-breaks-opec-oil-alliance-initiates-war-us-shale
For background and research by serious interests:
https://oilprice.com/
At the risk of over kill on the oil price issue, here is another article by moon on the serious issues with the saudis-all is not well:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/saudi-arabia-as-new-budget-problems-arise-the-clown-prince-arrests-more-family-.html#more
The Grand Egyptian Museum (GEM) …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiOEZ6yV4q4
To my mind, this link is a very interesting summary of the timeline and the commentary (read hysteria) associated with this virus:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ncov-2019-coronavirus-time-line/5705776
On the sidebar here as well as the non MSM column, I’ve posted a couple of articles, one on the director of WHO and one on the nation run by gangsters-both fit here.
The director of WHO is not helping matters at all, much like his predecessor, chang, who predicted billions to be infected in previous “pandemic.”
I’m still up in the air about whether this was a bio weapon but it is certainly being used as if it were one by the zionists in us and israel: e.g. thug niten yaaahoo says it is the worst pandemic in over 100 years, more than obvious that he is trying to use this hysteria to stay in power.
Pompass comes out almost daily to attack china and iran, continuing to withhold needed medical supplies to the vulnerable in Iran (soul less, heartless, evil) and uses the hysteria in atks to weaken both iran and china.
I just dunno but it is obvious that hysteria is not the answer (presstitutes are working it) and it is also obvious that measures and prognostications by that well known expert on viruses and pandemics, Doctor Trump, are not helping and will not help.
Craig Murrey has an article on opposing hysteria and keeping perspective but i will leave that for tomorrow.
“e.g. thug niten yaaahoo says it is the worst pandemic in over 100 years, more than obvious that he is trying to use this hysteria to stay in power”
What is it about Thugism, Nazism, hooliganism and so forth, that incites hysteria fueled by power lust?
It seems to me that something similar happened with the extinction rebellion in terms of controversial reactions.
Craig Murray is great, one of many who advocate level headed approaches.
Artists aim for something similar, by taking a big step back and using wit or comedic graphic content to do the same.
Ras
Craig Murray’s article-“migh” be a tad unpopular in its blunt message: people are going to die:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/momento-mori-unpopular-thoughts-on-corona-virus/
A similar but profound and necessary message from Dr John Campbell
“This idea that you can treat everything is quite a novel idea. Even up until the Second World War. You know, George Orwell died of tuberculosis in 1952.
Treating these infectious diseases is actually quite a rare thing, so we’ve actually got quite spoiled, really, thinking we can treat everything.
I think if this brings about a bit of humility, realising that we can’t treat everything… that we are vulnerable… that we do need to cooperate… that we do need to think about how we can improve global health… and basically how we orientate the world around ecological and human wellbeing, that would be a good thing.
If that increases humility in human beings, that our life does hang by a thread, then that’s probably a good thing.
We might not go around acting with such arrogance and complacency in this rather special world that we live in. “
https://www.technicalpolitics.com/articles/were-going-to-need-one-heck-of-a-lot-of-oxygen-an-exclusive-interview-with-dr-john-campbell/
Babushka
I am not sure that the last paragraph, really sums up what this EXCELLENT article was saying. He was not a hopeless let it rip sort of guy at all but was very positive. he was much more worried about the lack of resources to cope with the expected number of sick people.
Watcher, my focus in that last paragraph was on the excellent word/concept ‘humility’
Peace
Very excellent contribution and article.
On humility – Clif High, the one with his predictive liguitis programing, who broke down emotinally in the interview, said, by end of Mar, a good few american leaders will either die from the virus or too scare to come out in public. Ted Cruz is on self-quarantine. Who else?
https://www.businessinsider.nl/ted-cruz-self-quarantine-after-interaction-with-coronavirus-patient-cpac-2020-3?international=true&r=US
Be safe there
… some good news … 8 March، 2020 …
Cairo Fashion & Tex (Cairo Int’l Fashion and Textile Exhibition) is the first and only international exhibition specialized in yarn, textile, garment and its trimming supplies and accessories in Egypt.
“The Syrian Industry is still distinguished and able to compete in the markets despite the difficult crisis Syria has faced”, Dr. Bassam Darwish, Syrian Charge de’ Affairs in Cairo, said during his visit to the Syrian stands at Cairo Fashion & Tex Exhibition.
He added that the Syrian industrialists are keen on participating actively in International forums and fairs to be the best ambassadors for their country.
https://sana.sy/en/?p=187716
Does anyone know what is happening in Israel with their 3rd election? I have this, but have lost track there, so no idea if it is relatively accurate?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-was-toasting-victory-now-hes-toast?ref=scroll
Interesting article!
It concludes:
“Late Thursday, Moshe Yaalon, another former army chief of staff and the most hardline rightist in the Gantz centrist coalition, agreed to support a minority government led by Gantz, with the support of the Joint List, the Arab-majority party that leaped from 13 Knesset seats to 15 even as Netanyahu intensified his attack on Arab citizens, who form 21 percent of Israel’s population.”
Julius Bibius Netanyahuius: “Et tu, Moshe?”
Best not totally ignore the sentiment within Israel on the Arab street………lest fleeting “Victory”….. turn suddenly to defeat.
Third election in 11 months. Again no majority won by the two main blocks. A lot of coalition scrambling going on.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202003081078512232-netanyahu-beware-gantz-accepts-liebermans-ultimatum-amid-coalition-talks/
Thanks siljan. So, we are still watching. Elections, so good for ‘we the people’ eh. :-)
It happened on this day 6 years ago – Disappearance of the MH-370 on March 8th, 2014
Leuren Moret: Flight 370 downing was U.S. Navy Energy weapons demo for Putin; Rothschild patent
scam; Payback for Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal verdicts vs. Israel, US and UK
https://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceinspace/2014/03/leuren-moret-flight-370-downing-was-us-navy-energy-weapons-demo-for-putin-payback-for-kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-ve.html
From one of my favorite sources whose little byline is ” On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.” or for those Looneytunites over 50: “What?? Me Worry!!!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-just-told-world-no
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/saudi-arabia-starts-all-out-oil-war-destroys-opec-flooding-market-slashing-oil-prices
So the neocon Saudis are doing to the oil market the equivalent of Erdogan’s flooding Europe with migrants.
personally to me MBS makes the sultan looks sane…
“I’m free!” – says the evil Ghost.
The Coronavirus reminds me of this scene of an old movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugMmyjCdpoQ
The Thief Of Bagdad 1940 HD – Full Movie | in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zyYkIoneI
The text is in German only at the beginning and end of the film
How gloriously wonderful. I don’t know if this is ‘staged good news’ but I don’t care. Just glorious.
Centennial Chinese Man Becomes the Oldest Person to Beat Coronavirus – Reports
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – A 100-year-old Chinese man has been discharged from a hospital in Wuhan, becoming the oldest person to recover from the new coronavirus infection, media said Sunday.
The man was admitted to the hospital in the epicentre of the COVID-19 outbreak on 24 February, the state news agency Xinhua reported.
Apart from the flu-like respiratory disease, the elderly patient had Alzheimer’s, hypertension and heart problems.
He underwent 13 days of therapy, which included treatment with anti-viral drugs, plasma transfusions and traditional Chinese medicine, and was cleared on Saturday.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/202003081078513874-centennial-chinese-man-becomes-the-oldest-person-to-beat-coronavirus–reports/
1 Corinthians 15:55-56 (KJV) 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Staged you say? try this…
Coronavirus patient transported in bio-containment unit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAAzbLGSUO0
Hello all god people here,I’m new to contribute here,however I have visited this oasis of sanity for several years now …thanks to all and and a special thank you to Saker ..
I will start with a short poem
The gates of hell
Foundatef
Updated
Triple glazed
Komodo dragon eyes on the prize
What’s that you may surmise
Apologies for the typo ..should be
The gates of hell
– Foundated
– Updated
– Triple glazed
– Komodo dragon
– Eyes on the prize
– What’s that you may surmise
Welcome to the Moveable Feast Cafe ! Waiter, please bring another http://Www…Vodka !
Make that two …thanks ioan
Ok let’s critique “Dr Trump” in action at the CDC headquarters in Atlanta Friday:
https://youtu.be/yxoPQMauQTs
Now, how about we treat this raw data…these 45 minutes in Atlanta…with plenty of specifics in them…. as a scientific experiment (ie…with controls of your emotions, your prejudices, your desires for Orange Man and “Murica to go down………….. etc)….and see what happens in 1 -2-3 weeks….ummmm???
AND See if you can keep up with the briefings by the specialists, as well ….no that’s unfair…he’s better briefed (as hard as that is to accept, I know…..) ….ummm…how about HALF as well as The Donald does.
And Pamela I sympathize, think that the Kiwi Colonel was way, way out of line I just have to laugh! Because, despite how it FEELS (“sooooo good!!!” ) Agreement is Not reality……it is quite often the opposite: Mass delusion!) but please hang in there…and realize……part of a more robust immune system………..is a thicker skin.
Interesting briefing Bro. OK, you are on for the challenge. (Heaven knows, we have to make some fun, but it is grim). Anyways, what I did was to take a screenshot of the latest US reported numbers from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Scroll down down down until you get to the detailed state by state numbers from the US. Today it starts with Washington state. So, you say .. weekly check on this – 3 weeks or thereabouts?. OK.
But what do we know? What are the handicaps.
So we know Trump is going to play this one by the numbers. It is clear that he has already designed his ‘get out of jail’ card, by saying he does not want the people on the cruise ship off California coast to get off of the ship, because it will make the numbers look bad. Uhm, really – if this is ‘just the flu’ .. well. Screw those people on the cruise ship.
And then, we know from that briefing that the US is not going to do widespread testing — they contrast with South Korea with drive-through testing by saying this is just sampling. Well, none of those journos asked what happens to those samples. Of course they get tested. Such a white-wash.
And then, what do we know .. they are pushing the burden of testing down to the medical doctors offices and the emergency rooms. Uhm, Italy tried that .. and it did not work. Now they are calling for what needs to be called and that is isolation of people from others and limited contact.
And this is the cherry on the cake in terms of managing by the numbers – if all of those that are affected by this virus are counted, then the numbers would look different .. but many go home and just get better and do not get counted, Trump says. Uhm … reason that one through.
I think it is a governmental ‘feel better quickly and don’t you dare get counted’ spin.
If you hear the CDC management, they are to an extent trying to make a process there .. containment first. But Trump is good at taking any statement and spinning that into a marketing slogan. And he did that very effectively. I don’t blame him, it is his job to calm the panicked.
But let us ask the real question – is the panic (even though very hard to deal with and not good for anybody), not perhaps warranted?.
NO! No matter what the circumstances ……….PANIC…..is never warranted …as a positive reaction.
Adrenaline, “fight or flight” yes. Panic, no.
Even the cool-headed platoon commander who knows that he or his unit will be obliterated in the next 5 minutes….. does no good for anyone…..except the enemy…. by panicking.
Think of the Russian Special forces soldier that called in airstrikes on the Daesh enemy.. over-running his position (..and thus calling bombs in on himself included…….. ) in Syria a couple of years ago. Was that panic…or cool calculation under condition of the highest personal stakes…sacrificed for something dearer to him???
You think Trump is so stupid as to think that fudging and lying in the short term is going to do him any good, come November’s election….should a few million Americans drop dead by September, October???
Ha! How utterly absurd.
Instead, I am supposing that his calculation more than likely is that with friends like you (sarc) and enemies like Hillary, Brennan, Clapper, Soros, the Rothschilds…intent on preserving the dynamics of Empire rule by endless Great Power confrontation…….(which many here are also lusting to witness…quite foolishly, I might add…….) which he apparently comprehends is not gonna work too well for anyone except those among his enemies that get into their bunkers on time……….he can’t even afford for hundreds of deaths to result from this thing.
While the seasonal flu…..(yawn) …kills a lot more.
Even several dozen of US Corona deaths, blown way,way out of proportion (ie a lot less than seasonal flu’s toll) by the globalists and their minions. and panickers…would be quite unhelpful in terms of the election narrative struggle for minds and votes
The details of getting from here to there are probably best handled by those professionals outlining their plan of action,,,,than by the CNN reporter in that same room in Atlanta…or you tubers trying to get more subs by selling panic.
Why do you think horror movies are so popular???
People love to horrify….and be horrified. But that’s not very responsible, now IS IT???
Nor is avoiding that irresponsible emotionalism “complacency”….I might add. So long as proactive, effective measures ARE implemented.
If this is a bio-weapon as De Souza (and others) insists…. I’m fairly confident it isn’t Trump’s…or China’s…or Russia’s bio-weapon.
Qui bono, then, already?? How about the same media and secret intelligence services behind the Skirpals-Novichuk farce…or globalist forces closely allied to them…and the Russia-gate Trump Impeachment Marathon??
Unproven, but the timing is most suspicious.
This is what Israel Shamir “gets”………….. and you and the Colonel just don’t want to get. Quite yet. Or maybe ever.
But never say “never”…..because I might just get lucky!
Which reminds me of a choice quote by Otto Von Bismarck….about a particularly dicey strategic conundrum he faced. I chanced upon it today, and I wish I knew where!
It was something to the effect that:
“What we need now, to escape the dangers that confront us (Germany) as a nation, is the luck that God normally reserves only for small children…….drunkards…… and The Americans.
It certainly did look like Our Dumb Luck finally ran out before the November 2016 election after 100 + years of Eastern Liberal Anglo-feely-feely Establishment subversion of this republic.
But apparently Bismarck was indeed a very keen observer …..of nature.
If they formally cancel the Olympic, now that we are already nudge to watch live sports in empty stadiums, I am here now to say, you very very likely won’t have an election – just along the scripts… and you can project your best/worst case scenario and its implications…. and sequence of events…
We are further stuffed into THE BOX, SEALED over by one too many other SCREENS again (btwn us and ‘them’)!
But I agree with you, this one aint OrangeJesus, or Pandas or PolarBears…
Who is playing What – is the Name of the Game! Guess who AM I? since forever ritual ago… possibly the direct cause for the human-gene-targeted amnesia disease… who AM I?
Wokie wokies sleepy heads?
P/s WARNING adult-thinking content – much much much darker than the general ‘truther’ grades but if you can overcome and master ‘IT’, you will feel almost god-like!
James True – Patterns Of Mind Control Or Let’s Play Kickball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsTQhUvnrSE
Look at the bright side, no one panicked on the titanic, the music played, the guys chatted, and then they just went down w/the ship.
Quite some years ago I ran across a supposed quote of Bismarck that was roughly “My great fear is that the Jewish Bankers with their cunning and guille will use the resources of North America in an attempt to rule the World”. Take what you may from that. I have no doubt after 72+ years of paying attention, which surviving combat sharpens, that there is/are non-government persons and entities/organizations, overt and covert, that use public and private funds and resources (military) to further “elite” aims that are not in my or your interest. Deep State? Absolutely. I also believe that there are those in my life, on this site, and in the general population that think my position is absurd. I really don’t care.
Corona Virus? My wife and I visited our son and young family in Washington State 2-27 to 3-3 Flying into Payne Field (Boeing). My wife was not feeling well before the trip and it continued until arriving back home in Indiana. On 3-6 I had a scheduled surgery, outpatient. When we got home she decided to go to Urgent Care. She had/has pneumonia and a temp. When the docs heard we had been to Washington State we were “ordered” into at home 2 week quarantine. Luckily we had stocked up on all necessities after the trip…..so here we are. Attitude is everything. We’ve not lost our humor. (Honest! I’m funny!) I read all that the MSM and internet have to offer on this “pandemic” and actually I’m kinda liking being holed up. Uncle Sam holed me up in Asia for 17 months straight. Two weeks ain’t bad.