Moveable Feast Cafe 2021/05/11 … Open Thread

Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 11, 2021 · at 2:54 am EST/EDT

Hi Cafeista’s

And now for some good news early in the new Cafe…just for a change!… According to Pierre Kory, it seems that Mexico should be a model for the world in terms of finding an effective strategy for countries to employ when in a deep crisis with Covid-19.

I have paraphrased some of the main points from the link below. The Mexico subject starts around the 27-minute mark, although there is a wealth of other info in this video. Some of the video play-back is spoiled somewhat with technical issues, but if you have the patience there is a wealth of information throughout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIKCbwBcLU

….paraphrasing…

Early in 2021 Mexico was experiencing a 280% increase in excess deaths. However, the entire country’s outpatient health system had begun using what they term a “Test and Treat Strategy”. This involved using rapid tests and if tested positive for Covid-19 the person was immediately administered Ivermectin before they had a chance to get sick or deteriorate.

The result was after beginning the program in Dec 2020, a very steep drop in deaths and hospitalizations despite an increase in google mobility tracking indices! By the end of April and with no lock-downs, the excess death graph was approaching the pre-pandemic baseline.

…other great insights…

25 minute mark…Kory mentioned Ivermectin being administered as often as weekly!…sounds extreme to me but I suppose this would only apply in dire circumstances…but also interesting in that it could safely be brought down to this interval…also I suppose this tells us something about the inherent level of safety in this drug

27 minute mark…Mexico’s success in tackling a disastrous excess in mortality rates of 280%

29 minute…other countries showing huge reductions in excess deaths

32 minute…multiple interests working against Ivermectin…why individual RCT’s [randomized controlled trials] are problematic

37 minute mark… great info on repurposed drugs

37.58 minute …why a Meta-analysis of Randomised controlled Trials is the ultimate form of medical evidence

39 minute…the “Dis-information Playbook” and how it works against off-patent and repurposed drugs

As I keep harping on endlessly, if countries widely used Ozone therapy to add to the Ivermectin protocol, the disease would be wiped out in no time at all. Individually these two protocols are immensely powerful but used together they would quickly eradicate almost all ongoing health and economic implications. Kory made no mention of O3 so I can only assume he is not familiar with this prevention/treatment mode.

Cheers
Col

Anonymous on May 11, 2021 · at 7:06 am EST/EDT

” it seems that Mexico should be a model for the world in terms of finding an effective strategy for countries to employ when in a deep crisis with Covid-19.”

How did a critical care physician get so smart to assert that any country is in a deep Covid-19 crisis when those good ole boys over at the CDC don’t even know if presence of viral RNA indicates the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms:

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

•Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.
•The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection.
•The performance of this test has not been established for screening of blood or blood products for the presence of 2019-nCoV.
•This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

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- ? on May 11, 2021 · at 9:11 am EST/EDT
  
  Thanks Anonymous ? for the lenghty 80 page but important doc here –
  
  Some notes I made, direct quote (sorry I had to type it out – dont hv pdf editor atm)
  
  pg 74
  Results are for the identification of SARS-CoV-2 RNA. SARS-CoV-2 RNA is generally detectable… during infection. Positive resutls are indicative… but do not rule out bacteria infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be definite cause of disease…
  
  Negative results do not preclude SARS-CoV-2 infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or other patient management decision. Negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patients history, and epidemiological information.
  
  pg 75
  This reagent should be hendled in an approved biosafety level 2 (BSL-2) handling area to avoid contamination of laboratory equipment and reagents that could cause false positive results.
  
  pg 78,
  This test has not been FDA cleared or approved.
  
  This test has been authorized by FDA under an EUA for use by authorized laboratories.
  
  This test has been authorized only for the detection of nucleic acid from 2019-nCoV, not for any other viruses or pathogens.
  
  -end
  
  Wont go into the details just even with the tempreture issue when collecting the samples where the test is done could compromise the results not to mention it needs highly trained person to perform the task – India hot and humid weather and are they qualified trainned, DoH?
  
  Smells like the voting machine trick being pulled here… how they fudged the ‘spiking’ stats…
  
  The test has not been FDA cleared or approved, so they said themselves, so how can they authorized the use of it? How can one authorise what they dont clear or approve??? USSA?
  
  … and they went full on to call it ‘virus’ and force a worldwide lock down!
  Awesome hey? They love us this much!
  
  be safe be well
- Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 11, 2021 · at 2:52 pm EST/EDT
  
  “How did a critical care physician get so smart to assert that any country is in a deep Covid-19 crisis”?…
  
  Well, how about for starters by taking one look at the excess deaths graph which showed a 280% increase! Surely that would be one strong hint.
  
  And suddenly now you apparently regard the FDA and CDC as gospel, complete with all their massive conflicts of interest and revolving doors?
  
  Of course, the test is not 100% accurate [no medical test is] and must be used carefully and correctly to maximize results. And please tell me what on earth is ethically wrong in using a test that is not perfect as a basis for administering a drug that…
  
  #1 Costs in some countries as little as $2 or even less
  
  #2 Has demonstrated its remarkable success in dozens of countries to be a miracle drug for both preventing and treating COVID-19 patients.
  
  #3 Has a safety record second to none with decades of use and billions of doses used globally
  - Anonymous on May 11, 2021 · at 5:03 pm EST/EDT
    
    “Well, how about for starters by taking one look at the excess deaths graph which showed a 280% increase! Surely that would be one strong hint.”
    
    It might have been but one of those other degenerate organisations, in tandem with the CDC, says this:
    
    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
    
    “The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.”
    
    In plain English, you continue to flog the dead horse/Event 201 narrative asserting that excess mortality is related to the machinations of the Covid tooth fairy (er,devil) rather than suicides / untreated cancer etc etc etc etc..
    - amarynth on May 11, 2021 · at 6:40 pm EST/EDT
      
      Geez, the CDC and the gov.uk.guidance. What in holy hell are your guys reading? And posting?. That stuff is nonsense.
      - Anonymous on May 11, 2021 · at 7:16 pm EST/EDT
        
        “Geez, the CDC and the gov.uk.guidance. What in holy hell are your guys reading? And posting?. That stuff is nonsense.”
        
        So,
        
        the UK says it is not a HCID
        
        the CDC say they have no idea if it’s anything at all
        
        But
        
        the Russians know it all and Shoigu has 800 thousand soldiers vaxxed (not) just in case:
        
        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/765374
        
        Moscow. May 11. INTERFAX.RU – The Ministry of Defense considers the plan for vaccination among the troops to be fulfilled, said the head of the department, Sergei Shoigu, at a conference call.
        
        “To date, the Ministry of Defense has received 850,000 doses of Sputnik V, and more than 800,000 people have been vaccinated,” he said and added that vaccination in the troops continues.
        
        while Putin urges all to vaccinate https://ria.ru/20210510/vaktsinatsiya-1731659995.html
        
        “Today we talked with Anna Popova, our chief sanitary doctor. Both on my own behalf and on her behalf, I want to appeal to our citizens to continue the vaccination campaign,” Putin said.
        
        YCMTSU.
        
        amarynth on May 11, 2021 · at 7:49 pm EST/EDT
        
        Yeah, and the whole world still wants Sputnik-V.
        
        No matter what you say, no matter how you try and carefully do your anti-Russian propaganda, the whole world still wants Sputnik V.
        
        Get done with it lad … I don’t know if you’re getting a 5 bucks of a 10 bucks for this response. the whole world still wants Sputnik V.
        
        Consider this my gift for your kitty today -you poor .. b-a-s-t-a-r-d. May you be forgiven because you are working for and making your income from those that do not have the well-being of the world at heart.
        
        Take a little information of how the rest of us take your eventual employers, i.e. Blinken, or his predecessor, the liar and cheat who we all know.
        http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/05/pepe-escobar-wrote-on-blinken.html
        
        Even the Germans want Sputnik-V – https://www.rt.com/russia/523391-german-mp-sputnik-vaccine/
        
        OK, I’ll cool it now.
        
        Anonymous on May 12, 2021 · at 5:34 am EST/EDT
        
        “No matter what you say, no matter how you try and carefully do your anti-Russian propaganda, the whole world still wants Sputnik V.”
        
        https://www.rt.com/russia/521959-population-want-covid19-vaccine/
        
        “Unlike the EU, the lack of people being inoculated against Covid-19 doesn’t appear to be due to a shortage of doses – at least while desire for the vaccine remains low. According to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the country has had no problem giving shots to people who want them, but demand “leaves much to be desired.”
        
        So, how did Russia’s much-hyped vaccine-creation success end in so few citizens wanting to receive the shot?
        
        Vaccine skepticism
        The most significant factor, at least according to the available polling data, appears to be a lack of trust in vaccines in general.
        
        In a paper published in March, research by Swiss investment bank Credit Suisse revealed that Russia ranked in the last place of eight selected countries, with around 30% wanting to be vaccinated against Covid-19. This figure is far below developing countries such as China, India, and Thailand, where more than four-fifths said they were willing.
        
        These findings are broadly similar to February polling by another company, the Levada Center, which found that just 30% of Russians were interested in Sputnik V, while 62% were completely against taking the shot, and 4% had already received it. The Levada Center is registered as a foreign agent by Russia’s Ministry of Justice.
        
        Credit Suisse’s conclusions are consistent with its previous surveys, which also discovered that less than half of Russians trust domestic vaccines (38% in January 2021).”
        
        As far as:
        
        “b-a-s-t-a-r-d”
        
        Nice.Reminds me of Gates himself.
        
        amarynth on May 12, 2021 · at 7:15 am EST/EDT
        
        All the western media is pushing the meme of “Russian Vaccine Hesitancy” as part of the war on Russia’s successful (so far) Sputnik V vaccine. So, this is just western propaganda that is all over western media. So, you are only a mouthpiece for what is being pushed in western media.
        
        None of that stops the whole world from wanting Sputnik-V. 65 Countries and growing.
        You can relax though because I won’t be around much for a time as I have other work to do.
        
        (Because I watch this Russian initiative growing all over the world, does not mean I am pro-vaccine.)
        
        Anonymous on May 12, 2021 · at 8:27 am EST/EDT
        
        All the western media is pushing the meme of “Russian Vaccine Hesitancy”
        
        So why, exactly, is VVP having to whip up Russian demand:
        
        https://ria.ru/20210510/vaktsinatsiya-1731659995.html
        
        “Today we talked with Anna Popova, our chief sanitary doctor. Both on my own behalf and on her behalf, I want to appeal to our citizens to continue the vaccination campaign,” Putin said.
        
        ??
        
        YCMTSU
        
        Tomsen on May 12, 2021 · at 7:19 pm EST/EDT
        
        @Anonymous
        Good one……………LOL. I like the 62% Russians giving the f… fingers to vaccines. Why should they when they have a sound and healthy nature and strong body with a natural immune system.
        Sputnik-V is for the geo-political game and if you get outside Russia and meet all the spike-protein monkeys from Western countries………….LOL.
      - dave salmond on May 13, 2021 · at 2:02 am EST/EDT
        
        Col. had one sheep kick the bucket in 2018 -in 2020-21 2,8 sheeps passed away,
        
        Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 14, 2021 · at 2:24 am EST/EDT
        
        Sorry Dave I missed your post…lost amongst a few feisty trolls…you know how it rolls!
        
        All jokes aside though this has the makings of a very serious trend my friend. I just hope you have a few more sheepsis up your sleeve…so to speak.
        
        If you have a thousand or so, well, all’s fine and dandy…business as usual. Then again if you only started off with 4 in 2018, good grief, and heaven forbid…the outlook is decidedly grim. Perhaps with this trend you will be left with nothing more than a few miserable lamb chops before year’s end…not good.
        
        But then again…that’s farming for you. In the meantime could you please keep me posted with all CFRs, MRs and any other data of interest. I’ll make of it whatever I can.
        
        Lol and best regards
        Col
        
        PS Have you tried any of my Col-protocols yet or are you leaving them as a last resort?
    - Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 11, 2021 · at 10:35 pm EST/EDT
      
      Gosh don’t I just love it when the trolls and the Anony Mice come out to play and joust.
      
      Not only is it genuinely uplifting, but indeed strong confirmation that I am on the right track. Please, keep it coming, I really enjoy the black comedy.
      
      It’s even more amusing when you have the hoax-hoaxers cuddling up to you too…talk about adding to the mirth even more. Its quite the finishing touch…makes my day!
      
      (Insults removed,MOD.)
    - Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 12:56 am EST/EDT
      
      Please do yourself a huge favour and go to the 22-minute mark in the link below…
      
      It will also show just how farcically uninformed you are in your comments.
      Please look at the graphs for…
      Mexico
      Panama
      Slovakia
      Czech Republic
      
      Then if you go to the 34-minute mark it will walk you through how Big Pharma and its network manages to bury off-patent and repurposed drugs even when they are highly effective and affordable.
      
      Or perhaps this is the very network that feeds the Troll Farms…in which case you may not care to learn a few home truths.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIKCbwBcLU
      - Anonymous on May 12, 2021 · at 8:43 am EST/EDT
        
        “Please do yourself a huge favour”
        
        and read this:
        
        https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_17_marzo-v2.pdf
        
        Of 2003 alleged covid deaths at the height of the Italian plandemic (Mar 2020) the median age was was 80.5 while the median numberof co-morbid conditions was 2.7.
        
        Little wonder that gov.uk says this is a non HCID. Little wonder the CDC says they don’t know what, if any, ill health is caused by this

Dimitar on May 11, 2021 · at 3:59 am EST/EDT

Pain is
the hidden purifier
of the human heart…

I Find Myself

I find myself in moments when.
I think of how I loved you then.
Of why we had to let it go,
And curse my bitter stars and woe!

We were so much younger then,
Yet to learn to count to ten.
It’s how it was when things went well,
And how it was when things were hell.

Looking into each other’s eyes,
Trying our bodies on for size;
The things we said and the things we meant,
The things we wanted and the way it went.

How I’d fawn and beg and seek,
And want your love when I was weak;
How you’d play and string me along,
And scorn my love when you were strong.

Now we live different lives,
With different husbands and different wives,
In different seasons and hemispheres,
With different secrets for different ears…

I find myself in moments when
I think of how I loved you then,
Of why we had to let it go,
And curse my bitter stars and woe.

dave salmond on May 13, 2021 · at 2:14 am EST/EDT

“Pancho and Lefty”-nailed it again D.
- Dimitar on May 13, 2021 · at 3:44 am EST/EDT
  
  Always a pleasure to hear from you, Dave. Sorry to hear about the sheep.
  Re: the poem, one has to find something more, I try to go a little deeper every time with my themes.
  Knocked out a few limerick sequences few Cafes back, hope you caught ’em. Best, D.
  - Anonymous on May 13, 2021 · at 5:50 am EST/EDT
    
    “Dave. Sorry to hear about the sheep.”
    
    I wouldn’t be that Sorry, Dave must have an awful lot of sheep to have lost 2.8% of them.

Dimitar on May 11, 2021 · at 4:47 am EST/EDT

empty morning,
a peacock’s cry echoing through
the temple grounds

looking out from a
fresco at Sveti Naum, Ohrid;
a plaintive saint

can one utter truth
without first uttering it
in one’s soul?

the son of man
has nothing to give; nothing
to give but his soul…

sandinED on May 11, 2021 · at 9:57 am EST/EDT

Thank you Dimitar.

Lovely – both of them.
- Dimitar on May 11, 2021 · at 6:51 pm EST/EDT
  
  Thanks Sand… regards, D.

Groundedkiwi on May 11, 2021 · at 7:10 am EST/EDT

No testing, no covid.
Lord save us from speculation.

anon on May 11, 2021 · at 9:08 am EST/EDT

turn TV on there is con-vid
turn TV off there is no con-vid

amarynth on May 11, 2021 · at 7:50 am EST/EDT

I came in quickly to post the results of the sentencing of Craig Murray. Then, I read Dimitar’s two wonderful poems and wandered around a bit and wondered what life was really all about.

Back to Craig Murray – sentenced to be jailed for eight months but they’ve started an appeal.

https://sputniknews.com/uk/202105111082854916-craig-murray-jailed-for-eight-months-for-contempt-of-court-over-alex-salmond-trial/

The one tweet that stands out is this one from Suzie Dawson:

“Let’s call it what it is

Today Craig Murray was found guilty of being Julian Assange’s friend.”

sandinED will no doubt comment the details.

The sense this morning after reading Dimitar’s poem about a young love that went wrong, made me think of a song. No, I’m not fond of country music so much, but sometimes those wandering poets and tune makers say it as it is and you can tap your toes and sing it in the kitchen.
Of course, this young love story can be applied to most everything, the moment when the scales fall off the eyes.

So here is the country-like ditty, that crossed the charts to other genres and was performed by many.
Somebody done somebody wrong song. And somebody done Craig Murray wrong!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyrRYIrhLL0

Dimitar on May 11, 2021 · at 9:15 am EST/EDT

We were reflecting a few Cafes back, on the differences between karmic and love relationships… this would be a karmic relationship, though love and karma are closely intertwined of course. Sometimes, certain relationships just can’t continue for whatever reason. Kind of a Romeo and Juliet thing here, the protagonist is at the point where he’s not quite over her.
- Babuška on May 11, 2021 · at 5:38 pm EST/EDT
  
  Your words here resonate with a song my ten years old granddaughter sang for me yesterday, after practicing her scales
  
  She belted it out with all the pain and passion of Adele.
  
  I cried
  
  https://youtu.be/YQHsXMglC9A
  
  Hello
  - Dimitar on May 11, 2021 · at 6:56 pm EST/EDT
    
    Thanks Babuška… wow, Adele? That’s an amazing experience for your granddaughter. Love from yr fellow, “Ozlander”… HUgs

Mr P on May 11, 2021 · at 8:08 am EST/EDT

Mr P observed a curious differential indicating metastasis in the public arena local to Anoxia.

In the real public spaces, bars and hardware stores and so on, only the rare credulous rube wears a mask, most people shake hands and ignore the rules or “order” imposed artfully upon them. But…

It became necessary to visit the Court. One may not disobey.

Astonishingly, 100% obedience. Space rangers cops in armor. Humorously, the girlcops remind one of the “4 foot cop with a 5 foot gun”…grim perusal pf every “suspect”. And total confusion. Hysteresis. Nothing getting accomplished. Hundreds of people congregated. All day, in one room….

These two realities cannot abide one another.

I am minded of Saker’s Zones. There are, it seems, microzones of B, and nearby, superimposed, microzones A, imposed by intimidating and steely-eyed dupes who, evidently, expect the masked and helpless nutzlossenvolk to start shootin’. Absurd? Yewbetcha! And temporary.

This sort of matter is, I think, a snapshot of a process

Mr P on May 11, 2021 · at 9:34 am EST/EDT

States have interests. These vary according to their culture, customs, laws, and perceptions of objective circumstance. Russia is a State. Allies come and go according to (see above) interests.

As to Biden/Putin meeting… perhaps: A) Russia sees her interests as being advanced by her putative enemy being “led” by a senile person, and wishes to preserve this weakness while preventing the non-senile female from attaining power…thus the senile fellow’s reputation is important to Russia and they want him to seem “prez-a-dental” (He’s got a smile, don’t he?)

Or B), Russia desires to display the difference between an idiot and a genius – a pedagogical farce for the global audience.

(maybe both!)

It is consistent with Russia Policy (as revealed by actions over time) that the Policy is to create Strategies to make the US give up imperial ambition and become a “win-win” “ally” – ie to change the character of the US.

It is prerequisite that this transition must occur…it may occur without violence. We’ll see. I suppose it will take a long time, decades.

Essay on this matter, the matter of whether or not fascism was defeated in 1945,> “For Victory Day: It’s Time To Think About Finally Winning WWII” ( there must be a url, but I forgot it)

For myself, I am quite satisfied with matters afoot, and would not lift a finger to attempt to alter the course of History we see flowing, except that I would like to go fishing more often. I am sure things will be fine.

anon on May 11, 2021 · at 10:00 am EST/EDT

“I am sure things will be fine.”

tell that to the parents of 4yo Vladi, recently killed in Donbass
- Mr P on May 11, 2021 · at 11:07 am EST/EDT
  
  see the essay, friend. the fascists were only set back. They were not defeated. The rules based order is of course not identical to the old nazi slogan.
  
  see> https://youtu.be/XKJ9cXmn7ec (Mercouris explains the way the war stands…and the obvious outcome. Battle-lines being stated bald n clear.
  
  Little kids get murdered all the time, it’s terrible, but matters of long term state interests define how often that happens, not the other way ’round.
  
  The outcome? The fascists fail to rule the world. But failure has many forms. These remain “adjustable”. Quite probably Russia will succeed in curating the shrugging off of the imperial possessions and transmogrification of the US into whatever it will be – this has happened twice before.
  
  And emotional responses remain dangerous, friend. Gotta keep logical. That’s why I am quite sure things will be fine, and would not lift a finger to attempt to alter this our history….which was baked in for anybody to see right after 1945. They ought not to have murdered FDR, that was the die cast…too stupid for words! For me it’s a terrible french farce and some sort of slow suicide of a 500 year crime spree.
  
  Later, workie workie!
  - Luka-The-K9 on May 11, 2021 · at 11:27 am EST/EDT
    
    Mercouris often assumes opinions, and stances.
    
    A few years ago Mercouris walked in front of a TV camera at an international meeting.
    
    The camera was focussed on Obama talking to Putin, “the famous whisper”
    
    Quite why Mr Mercouris wanted to obscure this event is unclear.
    
    The security guards watch as Mercouris, with a whimper on his face, positioned himself.
    
    A comical event.
    - Mr P on May 11, 2021 · at 1:44 pm EST/EDT
      
      It is sometimes the clown act that tells the truth. It can be important to separate the speaker from the analysis and avoid the ad homenim trap. I readily agree that A M is an odd fellow, singular, and may be seen as comic or even crazy. His logic and observations are not dependent upon his past odd face, nor, do I agree with the unsupported conclusion (opinion) that A M wanted to obscure an event. Indeed, if the story’s told, it seems to suggest the opposite goal, as some people have remembered it! Theater and the Court are brethren.
      
      Actors act. often for fun.
      
      I well remember, speaking of character, when the president of the bar association was caught with secret grand jury transcripts, then forced, blackmailed some said, to “defend” a client accused of murdering a political candidate. The man was a patsy. I suggest that story might also apply to the way A M’s legal carrier ended…a set up. I personally know of two more similar adventures of lawyers getting set up.
      
      Fidel also, like VVP, was a lawyer…and look how they made Fidel out to be crazy. And of course one does not need to point out the smear campaigns against VVP…
      
      A. M.’s analysis makes sense. He’s correct. However, naturally, regrettable military accidents are liable to occur, and some of these kill the entire population. So while the fascist do lose, that’s not a promise that any State wins. And of course, when the lies fail, the violence follows…and violence is a machine that creates unpredictable outcomes…these can be categorized in part, as a set…but no one can know in advance which post hoc reality will be.
      - Luka-The-K9 on May 13, 2021 · at 4:19 am EST/EDT
        
        Yes, agreed.
        
        I was hoping someone could explain the event which was surreal.
        
        By the way I partake in his website “The Duran” comments section.
        
        I am sure Mr. Mercouris, who has an attractive personality, had a valid reason for walking in front of the camera.
        
        “Mr. Bean” the famous UK actor has a similar personality and indeed, could have directed this event.
sean the lerpechaun on May 11, 2021 · at 12:22 pm EST/EDT

Fishing Mr P, my feelings exactlly, our season just opened here. Over the winter I have been busy making my own lures using pieces of shellfish shells…..seen a fellow on a survival show carving some antler into a lure, he caught the largest lake trout, had to be 10-12lbs at least. I wish!

Cheers, M

White Whale on May 11, 2021 · at 9:43 am EST/EDT

Shhhh. Shhhh shhhh.
No one can know I’m here.
For once the coast is clear
So to MFC poets corner I draw near
It’s just doggerel, and no doubt some do jeer.
Yet I care not, let ‘em snort and sneer
It’s discovery I fear…..

Shhh shhh shhh.
I shouldn’t be here.
I have a list of chores to clear.
“Whale?!”.. “yes dear!”
But right now, just for a moment, I can disappear
And call by the cafe, join the lads, have a beer

Shhh shhh shh I shouldn’t be here.
Oh, no doubt my dereliction will end in a tear
If I was a sheep I’d be at risk of a shear
But being a Whale I have no ear
So I can pretend not to hear,
Swim slow, grind a gear.

Shhh shhh shhh. I really shouldn’t be here.
Away from the chores I casually veer
I need to give meself a kick up the rear
At procrastination I have no peer
My willpower is gossamer sheer
Indulge me an hour, then my focus I steer
Even though I’d rather loiter by the end of the pier
Yes, my sense of fun, to some might seem queer
But I am careful to never leer.

Shhh shhh shhh
Quick. Got away with it. And I’m outta here.
A poem done. In an hour mere.

Dimitar on May 11, 2021 · at 11:34 am EST/EDT

The Poet’s Not Here

no need to be down
in the dreary ol’ dumps,
Whaley’s been at it
and he’s come up trumps!

I couldn’t stop smiling
as I began to construe,
what that fisher of poems
puts himself through!

“my efforts are humble”,
he’ll often downplay,
that the poem may see
the light of day

it’s more than a fad
or passing caprice,
when the poet he says,
he’s needing peace;

often he’s secretive
and hidden from sight,
he’ll work from the morning
and on through the night

you may have said something
you may have denied it,
you may have been talking
you may have been quiet

whatever your’e doing
the poet’s not here;
he’s fishing for rhymes,
down by the pier…
- White Whale on May 11, 2021 · at 5:21 pm EST/EDT
  
  Pier gnarled
  Time exacting
  Lake in silence
  Water resting
  Future tense
  Present peace
  - Anomalous on May 13, 2021 · at 11:02 am EST/EDT
    
    Nice story about a poet fishing
    
    https://www.visitlouth.ie/visitor-info/land-of-legends-louth/salmon-of-knowledge.html#:~:text=The%20story%20goes%20that%20the,the%20one%20to%20do%20so.

sean the lerpechaun on May 11, 2021 · at 12:12 pm EST/EDT

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/europe-s-drug-regulator-evaluates-reports-heart-inflammation-rare-nerve-disorder-covid-19

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/#inbox/FMfcgxwLtsvPSBXLgTNgnwWfSrfMRWhS?projector=1&messagePartId=0.1

For those like me Type B
https://bestlifeonline.com/blood-type-blood-clots-news/

This one’s for Col, re; invermercin
https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-05/fccc-lpr050621.php

Got my antibody results, non detectable………..doc says doesn’t mean you don’t have any, it’s just no there in high enough numbers, plus it’s way over a year. That said, when I mentioned Dr Tam saying 2 vaxx doesn’t guarantee immunity he said, “they want want everyone to get the vaxx to take the strain of the medical system”…………but if the vax is no guarantee, arghhhhhhhhhhhhh???????????

Cheers, M

Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 11, 2021 · at 4:50 pm EST/EDT

Tah Sean

Good stuff!

In your first link, I found some info in regard to Guillain-Barre syndrome. I have been concerned about what effect the vaccines could have in regard to this and other serious auto-immune diseases from day one.

Your link tells me that my suspicion could be well-founded.

Cheers and thanks
Col

reante on May 11, 2021 · at 1:36 pm EST/EDT

Hi Col,

regarding mexico and ivermectin.

ivermectin is a broad based antibiotic that kills worms and larger intestinal flora in addition to, though to a lesser extent, the microbes that conventional antibiotics target.

ivermectin’s mechanism for suppressing the disease symptoms by associated with ‘covid’ is that it inhibits the production of the body’s transport proteins. with a quick search you can find that this shorting mechanism is very clear in the establishment literature. the germ theory establishment, however, doesn’t understand why ivermectin works for ‘covid’ because it doesn’t understand that transport proteins are the actual mechanism by which ‘viruses’ (exosomal intercellular evolutionary messages) spread in the body and not by ‘viral infection and replication.’ transport proteins also transport particles other than what the germ establishment regards as ‘viruses’ but when transporting ‘viruses’ the establishment conveniently regards transport proteins as ‘antibodies.’

antibodies don’t actually exist. I know that may sound crazy to some but there’s no actual evidence for transport(er) proteins fighting of exosomes (‘viruses’).
it is the job of macrophages to isolate foreign particles and deliver them to the filter system.

so what ivermectin is actually doing is short-circuiting at least part of the transport-protein based intercellular messaging system that is our main evolutionary function so that we cannot amplify an evolutionary message that is causing our body stress as it rightly attempts to evolutionarily adapt to that message. it stunts our growth, in other words, out of fear of growing pains.

beyond that and more importantly, how many hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of other evolutionary messages is ivermectin short-circuiting at the same time?

who knows?

if we’re not growing, we’re falling behind.

there will be inevitable woe upon the person who rejects Life (god) by playing god and hitting the pharmaceutical pause button on his own evolution because Life doesn’t wait around for anybody.

this is my sincere belief because it unassailably stands to reason.

cheers.

Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 11, 2021 · at 3:52 pm EST/EDT

reante

…you said…

…”this is my sincere belief because it unassailably stands to reason.”… well, unassailable to you perhaps.

…and your astonmishing announcement in an earlier cafe…

“Illness is how we expel disease. Illness is a gift from our unconscious. Without this gift we cannot heal.”

Quite frankly I don’t even know how to respond to proclamations of this nature…except perhaps to say that there are a whole host of these “gifts” that I personally could well do without.

Regards
Col

PS Don’t tell me…you are also an enthusiastic cheerleader for Koch’s Postulates.
- Ben Willett on May 12, 2021 · at 1:40 am EST/EDT
  
  Hey Col,
  
  sorry I raised your hackles.
  
  if it doesn’t stand to reason then you might as well just get it over with and say why instead of using an implied ad hominem.
  
  what you quoted me as saying in an earlier thread is simple fact Col. it’s also common sense. we suffer an illness when our body has an accumulated health issue that it hasn’t been able to overcome on a daily basis, so the illness lays us out so that the body can direct all its energy and focus on trying to clear the disease. it’s like regen mode on the newer tractors with the diesel particulate filters that reburns the collected particulates, except for the fact you can still operate the tractor in regen but you get the idea. illnesses are detoxifications. there’s nothing controversial about that. their purpose is to clean ourselves out so that we can rebuild healthy tissues. there’s nothing controversial about that unless you have a sound argument as to why.
  
  so obviously illnesses are gifts because our conscious minds don’t direct them. our unconscious bodily intelligence that took, say, 4-plus billion years to put together did it for us. this evolved unconscious intelligence does almost everything for us. pretty much all we have to do shovel food into our face three times a day and a few other things besides. the rest is done for us. that’s why we regard Life to be such a gift is it not?
  
  you may not like your gifts but the fact is that they are telling you try harder to do something about your health whether or not you think that you can. everybody has their breaking point, myself included, and I aim to stay well away from it because broken bodies have a funny way of breaking minds. hell, they’re one and the same anyway.
  
  I haven’t led cheers here yet for Koch’s postulates nor River’s criteria but now you mention them I have to ask what possible beef could you have with them? you don’t like the scientific method when it doesn’t suit you? are you saying that viruses can be enshrined as terrorists without boxcutters without any substantive causative proof whatsoever? where is the proof, Col?
  
  I look forward to it.
Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 11, 2021 · at 4:05 pm EST/EDT

You said…”Life doesn’t wait around for anybody.”

Why don’t you try preaching that ‘gem’ to literally billions of people especially in 3rd world countries who have been saved by Ivermectin from immense suffering and death?

And a quote from the link below…

“Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
- reante on May 12, 2021 · at 2:22 am EST/EDT
  
  Col, those billions of people aren’t exactly living Life are they? they’re too busy serving empire aren’t they? when I use Life with a capital L I’m speaking holistically as I’m sure you are aware. holistic thinking isn’t idealistic, it’s holistic.
  
  people busy serving empire aren’t exactly making positive contributions to planetary evolution are they?
  
  let’s not have a bleeding heart about the billions being run through the industrial meat grinder to the point where they need antibiotics to stay alive or functional at least just like pigs in CAFOs. let’s not have a bleeding heart about that nor use it as an excuse to justify empire by lauding empire’s technological handouts that keep it’s slaves just enough alive and capture bonded besides.
  
  that quote is pure propaganda, Col. Come on, man. and let’s look at it biologically. they try and market ivermectin as being ‘natural’ because it was inspired by a soil microbe, a bacteria, yet they fail to mention that the bacteria is a facultative anaerobe whose ecological niche are low-to-no oxygen environments that are toxic to aerobic organisms like humans, for example lol. they fail to mention that the inspiration for ivermectin are toxic actinomycetes metabolites, Col. toxic actinomycetes metabolites are what these anaerobes excrete after eating dead and diseased tissues of aerobic organisms like humans for example lol.
  
  so the geniuses of society and billions of other people besides, including yourself, apparently think it’s a good idea to make a synthetic version of this antibiotic metabolite that is inhospitable to aerobic organisms and call it a medicine because it has a powerful ability to suppress some symptoms of a particular illness while further weakening their general constitution in very obvious ways that the establishment willfully ignores.
  - Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 4:09 am EST/EDT
    
    For crying out loud…what on earth are you smoking?
    
    I have neither the inclination nor the patience to deal with this sort of nonsense.
    
    I’m quite sure Amarynth has far better things to do too.
    - reante on May 12, 2021 · at 5:24 am EST/EDT
      
      What kind of farmer won’t touch biology with a ten foot pole? I’m quite sure amarynth will find other things to do, too. Thanks anyway for your time, friend.
      - amarynth on May 12, 2021 · at 9:46 am EST/EDT
        
        Well, I won’t find other things to do, I actually have other things to do. I do hope I don’t find even more other things to do. But arguing with someone on the internet for no reason whatsoever is not one of those things to do. I hope if I argue on the internet it will be for a reason and with reason.
        
        Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 11:37 pm EST/EDT
        
        Hi Amarynth
        
        I sense your profound frustration. For me, it is much more than that though… I am sad to say it has been anger at times too because millions of lives are at stake! I know just how destructive the hoax-hoaxers and the virus deniers have been and how they have contributed to exponentially increasing the carnage.
        
        In this cafe White Whale kindly posted the best presentation on the origins and the ongoing bedlam this virus has caused globally…it actually addresses the untold damage the virus-deniers have caused as well.
        
        With the permission of the Mods, I have hyperlinked it at the 2hr 12 min mark because it clearly illustrates just how destructive and farcical this club’s message has been. Fleming pulls no punches in identifying the club as a major impediment in getting this whole mess cleaned up.
        
        https://www.flemingmethod.com/
        
        Cheers, but at the same time , commiserations too
        Col
amarynth on May 11, 2021 · at 4:08 pm EST/EDT

reante, you’re trying to work with the terrain model of disease without knowing what to do, and what it is, and how to work with it. I’m not being disrespectful here, I just know because I’ve seen it many times with newish converts.

The terrain model of disease has grown, been worked on and cannot be understood outside of the practical application of it. It is not a ‘get out of jail free’ card in terms of illness. Everyone in the world today has compromised immune systems because of denatured food and other toxins. Your understanding of this theory smacks of romanticism.

The terrain model of disease – not even in its oldest form – when Bechamp worked on basically ferments and fermentation, (please note, wild ferments because at that time we did not have produced ferments) has never ever said that there is no toxin, or no pathogen that cannot be overcome by an immune system. That sentence can be put differently .. terrain theory has never ever denied the existence of pathogens dangerous to humans. Of course there are toxins and pathogens very dangerous for humans and human life. Also, ‘terrain’ is not just an internal space .. everything is terrain.

So to invermectin, those that understand terrain, will use even invermectin (and I have no pharma products in my house even), in order to gain a specific step forward. Here comes the practicality and it is an example. If someone is so overcome with a pathogen, that one has to use a chemical product to overcome the pathogen because you have no time, or the pathogen will overcome the human, from the terrain model we would use that, but then we would cleanse and allow and encourage the physicality to step back through its traumas until the point of no trauma. A good thing for you would be to go and sturdy practically in order to understand these things. Also go and refer to the New German Medine. It is not German per se.

You’re not dealing with something here that is magical (although it is in design, all things being equal) but a very practical healing modality that in the hands of good practitioners is marvelous. But in the hands of theorists, it rings hollow.

In using terrain theory, we often use food to create certain chemical processes in the body. This usually takes a little time and it is the right way to do things. Sometimes even we use a chemical or a homeopathic formulation if there is an urgent need.
- reante on May 12, 2021 · at 3:15 am EST/EDT
  
  amaranth,
  
  thank you for your time and your input.
  
  despite your effortless characterizations of me, nowhere did you choose to specifically tackle anything that I have said regarding the terrain.
  
  you do not understand what the terrain is despite your saying the same thing about me.
  
  so who is right? well, i am.
  
  why?
  
  because the terrain, amaranth, tells us very clearly that pathogens do not exist. you say pathogens exist and you say that terrain theory has always said that pathogens exist. well whatever terrain theory that is it’s a misnomer or a co-optation because the terrain ITSELF tells us that pathogens do not exist. if bechamp believed pathogens exist then bechamp was wrong.
  
  pathogen means disease causer. a causer of disease. no microbes cause disease. the terrain is very clear on that. all of the microbes that are purported to cause disease are either facultative anaerobes or true anaerobes. these microbes cannot cause disease in healthy tissues of aerobic organisms because they are not evolutionarily adapted to oxygenated environments. in oxygenated environments they encase themselves in cysts and lie dormant. in the event that they are active and encounter a rapidly oxygenating environment they may die before they can transition to dormancy. anaerobes are everywhere in us. why are they there? they are there to eat our dead and dying cells and tissues which, ultimately, are dead or dying due to oxygen flow having intelligently been cut off to them by our intelligent body, so that they can be replaced by new cells and tissues.
  
  when the cells die the dormant anaerobic flora at that site wake up because they sense that they can survive the anaerobic conditions surrounding them, and they start eating the rancid, putrefying anaerobic human tissue which itself is toxic by definition. since it is axiomatic that you are what you eat, these anaerobes are toxic when but only when they are cleaning up toxic messes. but any five year old can state the obvious that microbial toxicity in their capacity as recyclers of toxic dead tissue does not make them the causative agent of any disease symptoms associated with their clean-up job. the five year old thrusts her hand up in the air and exclaims that the causative agent is whatever caused the tissue to die. correct!
  
  therefore pathogens do not exist.
  
  this is the microscopic terrain, and soil microscopy is perhaps the best field from which to understand it, because soil microscopy is as close to in vivo conditions as we can get, and this field in its mature form is only about twenty years old, if that.
  
  i look forward to your substantive counterargument.
  - ? on May 12, 2021 · at 6:36 am EST/EDT
    
    @reante
    
    Fascinating stuff you have there :)
    May I just probe you and nudge you abit?
    Since you are at that level, would you consider to upgrade to WHOLISTIC from holistic?
    I know, wholistic is not a actual word – but I think you get the vibe and the vibration I am sending your way :)
    Hope you continue a good journey :)
    
    Since I am few who speaks both yellow and white langague rather well, this is my observation –
    reante, you are coming from a more eastern ‘medical’ paradigm, quite close to the TCM btw
    while Col and amarynth are coming from a more western medical/biological paradigm
    (p/s btw you spell her name incorrectly)
    
    So you see the ‘creation’, for the lack of a better world, as Qi or energy constructions
    
    … while the western paradigm of Everything is founded on meterial reductionism and cannot exist without it. They need things to be solid and have a shape, a boundary, thus it then can be prescribe a name and function to it.
    
    While if you are in the energy-paradigm filtered worldview, as my reading of your post above, then everything just flows… which direction? thats even more complex. Everything you shared and explain above, would you say, can be reversed too if/when the conditions (or terrian) is reversed? And can go in a million random direction? Thats Tao, the west will never get it because they are into ‘solid’ visible stuff. The inner sanctum level, definitely.
    
    So friend reante, we can have many cuppa talking about all these, what I call ‘fluffy stuff’
    because when one really digs in and go pass the highest heaven or the lowest hell, one may still discover there is more frontier… Wholistic, and not just holistic. Me thinks you are ready :)
    
    Dont get me wrong, holistic is great level and you are obviously very comfortable with your self-identity, which is very rare, in today’s world, esp in the west. I wish you greater discover journey, esp if you are into Karma and reincarnation, you can be more cautious in building your Every next-step Every next-line of thought – all seeds planting for future Karma and future reincarnation :)
    
    Do you meditate, reante? What do you see? I am rather curious now :)
    
    I wish I have more time but this is a physical world (so we choose to perceive, therefore exist) we are given only 24 earth hours. But if one is OBE, or meditate, there is no time no space no shape no boundaries. Wholistic, in a way :) and when you are out-there, see if you can bring it back to earth, through an earthly language/expression, is the challenge and the fun part. Maybe that will ease your frustration here abit :)
    
    May we all have greater discovery and greater awakeining :)
    and greater fortitude to accept what is, IS!
    
    Now back to me REM sleep :P
    … need to connect and communicate w aliens!
    Its all a holographic dream anyway :P
    
    be well be safe
    p/s also special thanks to col and amarynth and many here who contribute heaps :) we are all in our little bubble we call our version of ‘reality’ :p Just another observation
    - amarynth on May 12, 2021 · at 8:11 am EST/EDT
      
      No my friend ? “…… and amarynth are coming from a more western medical/biological paradigm”
      
      Let’s not lay words in my mouth because that is not a good thing to do, and also let’s not assume stuff. If we talk paradigms, I come from a practical paradigm that allows me to use any of the philosophies, and any of the techniques, and any of the life lessons because I try not to be stuck.
      
      My ‘paradigm’ is Indian traditional. The roots of Naturopathy are Indian. There are six recognized systems of medicine or health: Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Yoga, Naturopathy, Homoeopathy. (Homeopathy is a relative newcomer here).
      
      And because it is traditional, the spiritual and energetic historical and current aspects are very much alive. A rich tradition, you would agree.
      - ? on May 12, 2021 · at 9:09 am EST/EDT
        
        okie, noted!
        my bad and correction received :)
        
        be well be safe
        
        amarynth on May 12, 2021 · at 9:56 am EST/EDT
        
        where i live (in Spanish), we have a saying .. equalmente or iqualmente .. which means all the very same good wishes to you!
        
        Yellow talk (hahaaaa …) is very welcome in my book.
        
        ? on May 12, 2021 · at 12:12 pm EST/EDT
        
        whatever that makes you happy dear :)
        
        What is, IS!
        … and that is all … and that is The End.
        
        back to REM sleep alien talk… bubble comes bubble goes… IS!
        
        be safe be well
      - Anomalous on May 12, 2021 · at 11:36 am EST/EDT
        
        Story for Amarynth, the naturopath, or maybe you know it already.
        There was a very famous doctor in the time of the Buddha who treated the Buddha and monks when they were sick (not all illnesses are psychosomatic)
        This doctor spent seven years studying medicine in Takshila university with his guru. Finally he thought there was no end to the amount he had to learn so he asked his guru when the training would end. The guru told him to take a bucket and walk a certain distance through the forest around the city and bring back any herb he could not find a use for. He went through the forest the distance and came back with an empty bucket. He told the guru he could not find any plant he could not use. The guru said ” Your training is finished”
        
        amarynth on May 12, 2021 · at 9:27 pm EST/EDT
        
        Lovely Zen story anomalous. I’m afraid I am still a student! Bear in mind this all to me is a hobby job .. it was never the main job but I am being pulled in deeper and deeper. The main job, also a hobby job was food as medicine, just because I’ve been all over the world and got interested in how the old methods of food as medicine started and then the interest in food as medicine from seed to plate.
        
        One needed a respite from planes, trains, and automobiles and meetings and budgets and deliverables and so on and I figured out that we’d lost the methods, the methodology that could teach us how to ferment, how to use grains so that they are not toxic, and so on. I also figured that if one talked food, you made friends. It’s never been a full-time all systems go thing. But I can see it going there now.
        
        Anomalous on May 13, 2021 · at 1:15 am EST/EDT
        
        I think the point of this (true) story is that every doctor is a student, always learning. When a doctor studies the interface of body and mind his / her field of study is limitless
        
        http://ayurveda.alandiashram.org/ayurvedic-treatment/jivaka-physician-to-the-buddha
    - reante on May 12, 2021 · at 12:24 pm EST/EDT
      
      thanks for the appreciation buddy old pal. :)
      
      please do probe and nudge.
      
      wholistic it is. hopefully the autocorrect will respect the alteration more than it did the spelling of amarynth which unfortunately I did not catch as I peck away.
      
      indeed what I wrote to amarynth is reversible: in anaerobic conditions the aerobes encase themselves in cysts and go dormant. they wake up when the oxygen comes back.
      
      the facultative anaerobes are the most interesting ones to me, like the actinomycetes. they are the feathering function on the tractor loader. in their amazing versatility they smooth out the relationship between live and death so that the two can flow in a seamless interplay, pooping back and forth forever lol.
      
      (gratuitous reference link)
      
      https://youtu.be/KQoJo81lujk
      
      by way of reference I am the only animist I have ever known. that’s where the wholism comes from. you speak yellow and white. I speak red and white.
      
      our universal indigenous human heritage is animism. that heritage is pure reason. that’s right, the savages strove to base their respective cultures on unadulterated reason. the source of reason was the terrain in which they lived. unlike the billions of lost folks we see today, they were at home.
      
      here’s pure animist reason: the creator exists because something (the universe) cannot come from nothing. however it is axiomatic to animism that nothing can be known about the creator from inside the creation beyond the fact that the creator must exist. therefore there are no animist gods and never have been. what indigenous cultures were universally referring to when they used some variation of “the great spirit in the sky” was what we call consciousness, or, that which animates energy. the great modern misconception about animism is that they were referring to god.
      
      rock consciousness is that fundamental act which holds the mineral of Life together. rocks are the slow release tablets of life, the true pills that, combined with the sun, form the two pillars of life.
      
      I am also at home and that is what you refer to when you speak about me being rare.
      
      I have formulated a home cosmology which I call the home cosmology. it exists on the creative commons.
      
      Again, there are two fundamentals:
      
      The A and the C. The Application and the Consciousness. The application being that to which the consciousness Applies itself. The Application is the energy field. Therefore, Life — me, you and everyone we know including the rocks — constitute individualized Applied Consciousnesses (AC). Animism is not pantheistic to be sure.
      
      In god — which is to say outside of Creation — the A and the C exist separately because if they were together in symbiosis they would by definition be in holographic Creation. Therefore in god there is separately the A in god and the C in god.
      
      You asked me if I meditate. My response is that I “go” to the C in god. And then I “come back.” For the symbiotic organism that is the A and the C in creational symbiosis, in Life (what the home cosmology refers to as the AC Mother, because it’s a culture) the C in god is where one goes for the truth. The C in god is the universal red man’s “great spirit in the sky.”
      
      Creation, Life, is the A and the C in symbiosis. You can’t have one without the other.
      
      There is no Present in animist reality. Continuums do not do the Present. The Present is one of the greatest lies of all time. There is only the Past and the Future. History is the Collective Applied Consciousness of the Past. The CACP.
      
      thanks ? I just started a round of haying yesterday and must be off.
      - ? on May 13, 2021 · at 12:34 am EST/EDT
        
        @reante
        
        Lets agree to make time/space for another cuppa… and we talk fluffy stuff there :)
        
        I see you are very ready :)
        I have to go find that author, who’s awakening and a series of written books will surely thrill your mind and illuminate your soul… I have to go try to reboot that old computer… that be my gift to you and ‘push you off the cliff’ – you will discover (in shock horror for most ppl) 1) you have wings or 2) OH SH!T but after a while, I am kinda addicted to the free falling feeling (and never splat – there is always more frontier)
        
        you keep cool there – red and white it is :)
        
        sorry really need to get back to ‘negotiate’ w aliens :)
        what a lovely earth we are ‘here and not there’… round, flat or holographic :p
        
        be well be safe
        
        reante on May 13, 2021 · at 11:20 am EST/EDT
        
        agreeing here to the cuppa, ?
        
        I should warn you, however, that culturally, I am fiercely independent, and a working truth I hold (subject to unexpected falsification) is the belief that reincarnation does not exist. incarnation itself — the idea that we are a distinct spirit in an energy body — is also false. incarnation is what I refer to as a classic New Age idea. The New Age is the anti- wholistic civil discourse wherein humans leave their ‘bodies’ just to live in their ‘minds.’ This separate ‘spiritual’ self concept is aental construct arising from self-loathing which is the emotional hallmark of the new age.
        
        Incarnation does not exist because as I said before the A and the C only exist separately in god. And we are not in god and not are we ever in god, because there is zero justification for that idea. We are in Creation. When I say I ‘go’ to the C in god, I say so as a rhetorical device. As far as I understand them, the eastern New Age concepts of Reincarnation and Karma institutionalize and dogmatize the rhetorical device.
        
        Incarnation does not exist because as I said before Life is symbiotic. The A and the C, respectively, can only ever exist as symbionts with one another as the AC Mother culture. We can know this because there are no known examples of organisms that are not symbionts.
        
        What does happen upon the death of our MC, which in the home cosmology (HC) stands for the metaconsciousness, the self-awareness, is analogous to the decentralized redistribution of a batch of compost tea as it leaves its vessel and exits the spray nozzle; when we die on the ground as a home peoples we feed all manner of our brothers and sisters.
        
        our MC is gone forever upon MC death. Our AC Mother, however, gets redistributed, recycled over time into the local ecology, and in the process, if we were a home peoples, all is forgiven. if we were not a home peoples but a foul peoples instead, we will continue to foul Life, for a period of time, with our foul AC Mother upon our foul MC death. And that matters, to me anyway. And I would be happy to go into how it is that we foul Life (sicken Life) after death.
        
        Upon MC death, we distribute into Life. The microbial part of Life into which we redistribute multiplies and we become that multiplication because it multiplied on our AC Mother. And in that continuing multiplication of generation upon generation of microbial communities over several months, there is also a concentrating effect that takes place in that community: as each subsequent generation of microbe lives on our Mother and dies, the whole autophagic dynamic brought on by the decomposing Mother swings back from the Mother consciousness becoming distributed to an evolving, months-long Mother-borne microbe cycle wherein Mother consciousness further concentrates in the community from generation to generation. We are distributed multiplication feeding on ourself. The dynamic is analogous to an hourglass-type torus. We’ve all seen the illustrations (and the co-optations):
        
        https://www.dreamstime.com/print-image198703522
        
        Which is to say that in totality We Are One Dynamic Creation to god, but we, the totality of AC Mother’s at any given time, are Not One Together in Life. We may be one original family but we must also recognize that as a a family grows it multiplies families and, by extension, multiplies allegiances. Life is separatist, together. Together in separatism.
        
        Dimitar on May 13, 2021 · at 3:43 pm EST/EDT
        
        Reincarnation and karma are not eastern concepts, friend, they are spiritual facts. Statements like this compromise everything else you’re saying. The individual, a spiritual work in progress, entertains beliefs which change over time. They should be formed by experience first and foremost, but are often inherited from family, cultural, religious affiliations etc. Although there are good and bad beliefs, of course, beliefs and anything we do that is motivated by our beliefs, sooner or later will return to us. Hence, we’ve arrived at karma, ie; what goes around comes around. Ultimately, the purpose of life is to bring us into awareness of the spiritual laws of life, which govern our existence here and in the invisible worlds. Regards.
        
        reante on May 13, 2021 · at 6:21 pm EST/EDT
        
        Dimitar,
        
        thanks for the reply.
        
        note that unless I’m mistaken I didn’t say anything about karma. your distillation of karma to mean what goes around comes around is an extremely nebulous meaning. I guess I would need an example or two to better feel the nature of karma as you see it.
        
        certainly I believe in cause and effect.
        
        I will add that while you disclaim karma as being eastern, it does in fact come from the East. if you would like to use a western analog we can do that. I repeat that karma is eastern because karma itself comes from the East within the religious context of eastern reincarnation eschatology.
        
        so in addressing reincarnation (and more fundamentally, the false concept of incarnation, as I already explained) I felt it was redundant from my perspective to address karma also.
        
        Dimitar, you tell me that reincarnation is a spiritual fact but you have not addressed the clear reason I gave for why incarnation, let alone reincarnation, cannot exist.
        
        I know that religions — including choose your own adventure personal postmodern pastiche new age religions — are not based on reason. they are based on unsubstantiated beliefs, and those are based on wants rather than needs. do you know that?
        
        I look forward to your substantive counterargument regarding incarnation.
        
        thanks.
        
        Dimitar on May 13, 2021 · at 7:00 pm EST/EDT
        
        I am not here for substantive counterargument in order to prove that karma or reincarnation exists, reante, since those things can only be proven for one’s self. Longwinded discussions where I have to prove one thing or another to someone else fall into the category useless mental debates as far as I’m concerned. Beliefs in fact are indefensible, they cannot be proven or disproven, and pertain only to the individual. If they are in harmony with the law of love, they’re good, if not, bad, although in the final analysis, there is no good and bad, only experience, since it is only experience that gives the individual understanding. I am not belittling your beliefs, which I have respect for, same as anyone. Best, D.
        
        Anomalous on May 14, 2021 · at 12:58 am EST/EDT
        
        Belief in reincarnation is more Iron Age than New Age.
        
        “They wish to inculcate this as one of their leading tenets, that souls do not become extinct, but pass after death from one body to another, and they think that men by this tenet are in a great degree excited to valour, the fear of death being disregarded.”
        Julius Caesar’s commentary on Gallic wars
        
        All of Europe was largely populated by humans moving east to west so in this sense you can say belief in reincarnation came from the east.
        
        ? on May 14, 2021 · at 1:32 am EST/EDT
        
        @Dimitar, reante
        
        ‘Statements like this compromise everything else you’re saying’
        
        Ah… not so friend Dimitar :)
        you see and might have missed, reante believes in animism, that would work w/out reincarnation but its a v diff ball game… another hologram of a different dimension perhaps?
        
        This is sucking me in so much… but I shall resist :)
        
        Sorry realy need to enagage the aliens… but I absolutely positively look forward to a nice cuppa, really :)
        Will look to reboot the old comp and try to retreive the name of the author for you. You will be thrilled!
        
        Meanwhile, there is no way to do it legally, so you hv to decide :)
        
        See if you can somehow watch it after a little search… You wont get the legit copy unless you are in Japan so all others online are from the china domanin w millions of anime…
        
        Try to find this –
        
        https://ghostintheshell.fandom.com/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_Wiki
        
        Animism in visual :p
        Freaks me out, every one of them!!!
        
        We’ll yak more…
        
        be well be safe
        p/s same w simon – will reconnect :)
        
        Anomalous on May 14, 2021 · at 7:02 am EST/EDT
        
        I don’t like to correct grammar but it might be useful here to point out that “Not so friend Dimitar” and ” Not so, friend Dimitar” have different meanings. Hope this prevents any misunderstandings.
        Best wishes
        
        Anonymous on May 14, 2021 · at 11:42 am EST/EDT
        
        noted and correction received.
        
        yes you are a friend here in the cafe :)
        and thank you for all the great sharings you post here :)
        
        be well be safe
  - Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 6:39 pm EST/EDT
    
    “so who is right? well, i am.”
    
    …and…
    
    “therefore pathogens do not exist.”
    
    …and you actually expect to be taken seriously?
    - reante on May 12, 2021 · at 9:16 pm EST/EDT
      
      No not by broken people, anyway, Col.

Clive on May 11, 2021 · at 3:05 pm EST/EDT

Does anyone have any info on the supposed spike proteins being shed by vaccinated people? Is there a way to protect yourself or remove the spikes?

Any info would be appreciated.

KINZAZA on May 11, 2021 · at 3:26 pm EST/EDT

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qmaqx4LwuOQF/
go to 14:50 and watch it from there. There is a lot more to it but the above link is a very good start.

For the solutions, I’d highly recommend my friend Tony https://www.bitchute.com/video/oKrbHpOTI9C1/
He is not one of the “silver tongued” experts and very rough around the edges but saved many lives, and helped me with some of my health related problems while some PhD trained experts from Canada, US and France nearly nearly ended my life
- amarynth on May 11, 2021 · at 5:15 pm EST/EDT
  
  Aaah, Tony Pantalleresco – I cannot tell you and I cannot count how many secrets that guy instructed me on through the years. But his work is so messy. This is his original database.
  
  One can spend six months just on Tony. http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/
- sean the leprechaun on May 12, 2021 · at 8:59 am EST/EDT
  
  @KINZAZA, Good stuff, I was a bit skeptical at first, but when I seen that silver ball thing it just screemed Tesla, and then when he was using it all I could think of (envy) amarynth and the Rife Knife, not exactly the same but in the family….we all are electrical beings, a flux of pluses and minuses, in and out of balance. I’m a huge Tesla fan by the way, so Tony got my attention, I will look further into it, but thanks for bringing Tony to the Cafe.
  
  Cheers, M
- Tomsen on May 12, 2021 · at 8:20 pm EST/EDT
  
  Isnt it a bit complicated? I would feel like a fool if I should walk around with copper arms and electrolytes, wires and anode batteries to avoid “jumping” from vaccinated family, friends and fiancé.
  Come on man. There must be a simpler way.
reante on May 13, 2021 · at 6:27 pm EST/EDT

Clive,

My feeling is that it doesn’t work that way. There may be some minor conversation going on between the intelligent bodies of the vaxxed and unvaxxed but if you look after yourself then the vaccine being in the world is just another industrial insult to nature on top of all the countless others, ivermectin included.

Per/Norway on May 11, 2021 · at 4:05 pm EST/EDT

have you seen this?

https://www.unz.com/proberts/truth-is-gaining-ground-on-the-lies-of-world-war-ii/
“Truth Is Gaining Ground on the Lies of World War II”

I think the Saker will be able to answer these in a more coherent and intelligent way then me.

link in article.

Per
Norway

amarynth on May 11, 2021 · at 5:52 pm EST/EDT

Well, I am sure the Saker can answer it, and analyze it so that even my granny can understand.
But in the meantime, Andrei Martyanov already answered it and considered everything from (Rezun, aka Suvorov) as pseudo-historical bs.

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/05/chinas-foreign-ministry-issues-statement.html

Truly, the secret is here: “A former Russian KGB official with access to the documents had defected to the West ….”

Do we not know by now what the price is to pay for ‘defecting to the west’?. The price is you have to write western propaganda.

Its all too much for me to decode but I can decode stuff like this.

“There is no doubt that the combined West in its dying years will increase the opaque stream of pseudo-historical BS in order to blame everything on historic Russia (remember? Stalin=Hitler and so is Putin who also is Hitler) and will try desperately to find any excuse and rationalization for a clusterfuck which combined West created completely on its own. Plus, Western elites in general consider Russians to be subhumans anyway and bifurcate between outright visceral hatred and more “civilized” contempt. It is inherent in the cultural DNA of Western “intellectuals” and political “elites” and the more West will continue failing even at the basic tasks of running the economy and basic governance, the more Russians will be blamed for everything. Here is the latest example of this bipolar behavior, today. ….”

Just read that Martyanov piece. I think somehow that PCR might be losing it … I don’t know, but he seems to be swinging in the wind. I see his American tendencies. Others see his clear seeking. But yeah gods man … come’on man! let him read some history and correlate and not swing with what he heard last. I feel sorry for him because the ground that he always stood on is breaking beneath his feet.

sandinED on May 11, 2021 · at 4:31 pm EST/EDT

Disgusted – though not surprised at Craig Murray’s prison sentence – an update from him :

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/05/appeal-for-defence-funds/

Salmond was acquitted. Yet the accusations continued – a BBC hit piece disgracefully implying the jury got it wrong, where they had actresses reading the accusers statements. pretending to cry. Craig Murray alone tried to redress the balance and informed the public of such relevant details as the following :

– one of the accusers claimed to have been assaulted by Salmond during a group photo, surrounded by people – with his wife by his side.
– Or that one accuser claimed she was sexually assaulted by Salmond during a five minute journey in an official car with a driver – and her husband sitting next to her.
– Or that the police had spent months looking for women to bring accusations – one women was approached because she had been seen on old news footage and Salmond had greeted her with a kiss on the cheek. The police tried to persuade her to bring sexual assault charges based on this.

Many of the ‘ sex assault ‘ charges were similar trivia. The jury did not believe them. Unless they were reading Murray, the public didn’t know.

John Pilger has issued a statement :

“In these dark times, Craig Murray’s truth-telling is a beacon. He is owed our debt of gratitude, not the travesty of a prison sentence which, like the prosecution of Julian Assange, is a universal warning.”

Consortiumnews has a good summary of the case :

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/05/11/murray-sentenced-to-8-months-in-prison/

Murray himself made this telling comment, indicating a connection to the Assange case :

” Actually what I found most shocking about that was the peculiar determination of the judges to make sure that, during the three weeks we have to lodge the appeal, I am not allowed to go to Spain to testify in the criminal prosecution for the CIA spying on Assange’s legal team. ”

We’re living in a kakistocracy – yes it is a word – meaning rule by the least fit to rule, the corrupt, the ignorant, the integrity-free. I can think of many of them with the morals of Caligula – and the intelligence of a hen. How then, to explain that the existing regime in the UK remains popular / has just made gains in recent elections ?

Perhaps we’re an Idiocracy – certainly the electorate does idiotically, vote for the Kakistocracy . I suppose there’s a symmetry in that. The character assassinations of both Salmond and Assange have been very successful. It seems everyone I try to talk to about it condemns them both – angrily too – as sex offenders. – and knows nothing about the respective cases, apart from official lies, which they’ve been fed, and have ( often eagerly ) eaten up with a spoon.

The charges against Murray are clearly spurious – I read all Craig’s reports and had no idea who the accusers were. If this stands, any journalist trying to report honestly can be imprisoned on cooked up charges – anything will do. Murray stands convicted of doing honest journalism. Assange is being tortured for the same. Who will be next ?

Meanwhile, the people yawn. Yet take to the streets in large numbers to protest changes to a football competition.

Larchmonter445 on May 11, 2021 · at 9:01 pm EST/EDT

Though there is a lot of negativity, sadness, tragedy and injustice abounding in all our lives directly or indirectly, there is some good news from Syria:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202105121082861257-syrian-govt-troops-with-russian-support-kill-338-terrorists-since-april-23-spokesman-says/

338 dead ISIS terrorists.

That is excellent. The article details more good news done by the heroic Syrian military and excellent Russian Aerospace Force.

These are life-saving deaths. Thousands of civilians in Syria will live because these scum are dead.

I always feel better when I learn of death of these monsters.

Tomsen on May 12, 2021 · at 7:23 am EST/EDT

@Larchmonter
True. But info says there is around 100 000 of these scums in Idlib. A long way still to go. Syrians are a good and well educated people, I feel sad every time I hear SAA lost young men again to this sick set up of Syria.

Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 2:24 am EST/EDT

There appears to be a groundswell of NZers that now smell a a big fat rat with the Govts astonishing mis-judgment in its massive propaganda drive to get everyone vaccinated with the Pfizer Covid-19 jab [twice] by year’s end.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-high-court-hears-arguments-questioning-legality-of-vaccine-rollout/E22ZEJVMCWCLIN25QE3XN56I6U/

…and a quote from the link…

“A group questioning the legality of New Zealand’s vaccine rollout has argued its case in the High Court at Wellington today.

Much of the case by applicant Nga Kaitiaki Tuku Ihu Inc focuses on whether the vaccine being rolled out to the majority of the country fits within the provisional consent legislation in the Medicines Act that it has been granted under.

The vaccine, Pfizer-BioNTech Covid 19, has been formally tested on more than 40,000 people – half received the vaccine, the other half a placebo which consisted of slightly salty water. Since it started being used widely, tens of millions of people have now received it.

One of the group’s lawyers, Warren Pike, told the hearing that the provisional consent in section 23 (1) of the Act is not meant to encompass a large number of people, and the legislation was designed for “orphan drugs” for a small number of patients.

Pike claimed that it wasn’t necessary to have the vaccine being rolled out under provisional consent because it was “self evident” that there is no “need” for the rollout right now because of our Government’s success with the lockdown.

However, Judge Rebecca Ellis said there was an ever-present risk of more virulent strains breaking through the borders.

Crown lawyer Kate Wevers said director general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield was concerned about misinformation being spread about the vaccine and the country was facing a serious threat.

“I don’t think there can be any credible suggestion that the court can proceed on any other basis,” she said.

Wevers told the court it was not possible to eliminate the risk by only vaccinating border workers – and the borders measures come at a huge economic cost.

She said pausing the programme now would deny people who have only had the first vaccine the full protection, and we don’t have evidence on what a delayed second dose would have.

As well as this, Wevers said the Crown was concerned that even a short-term interim order could have a chilling effect on vaccine uptake.
Fellow counsel for the applicant, Nelson-based lawyer Sue Grey, told the hearing that people would be unable to consent if they didn’t know the “risks”.

“There’s no evidence that they’ve been given any other alternatives – it’s all ‘vaccine, vaccine, vaccine’,” she said.
Crown lawyer Jessica Gorman noted that the MedSafe website shows the risks associated and had sections for things like what people should know when getting the vaccine.

“It is a serious claim to suggest that people who are receiving vaccine won’t get the guidance from a healthcare professional.”

Gorman submitted that over 16-year-olds in New Zealand was a limited number of people, therefore abiding by the act.

Documents put forward to court by Nga Kaitiaki Tuku Ihu Inc claim the Medicines Act was breached and it seeks a declaration that the vaccination rollout is unlawful.

It also states that there is a lack of coherent research on the effects or risks of the Pfizer vaccine for use on elderly, immunocompromised, pregnant women, or people using medicines.

The action has been brought against the Minister of Health and the director-general of health, as well as PM Jacinda Ardern, among others.

The judge has reserved her decision.”

Cheers
Col

White Whale on May 12, 2021 · at 4:28 am EST/EDT

Col.
Any close to reliable data on adverse reactions (up to and including fatal) in the NZ phizzer rollout. ?
Keeping a watch out for Aussie data. Seem to be reports of AstraZeneca blood clots. But as thus far those jabbed have been the elderly and “vulnerable”, its hard to know // correlation >|< causation.
Knew absolutely no one in the six degrees of seperation who had the covid.
But by immediate and concentric association know more than 10, less than 20 who have had the shot.
None seem to have had a reaction.
Mighty relieved in some cases.
But for at least two reprehensible individuals in their 80s, my evil side was a bit sorry, as many would rejoice if they were dispatched.
(Not family). (And we are all resigned to letting nature take its course. (Curse).)
- sandinED on May 12, 2021 · at 5:42 am EST/EDT
  
  Hi WW,
  
  the UK column has set up their own Yellow Card system in an attempt to collate reactions and deaths for the various vaccines in the UK :
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-10th-may-2021
  
  They do 3 videos a week and cover covid / vaccines in detail.
  - White Whale on May 12, 2021 · at 7:21 am EST/EDT
    
    Thx 4 link.
    Found this:
    https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid-19-hoax
    
    I find myself swayed.
    It aligns with what Vernon Coleman is saying.
    
    In Whale speak.
    Something happen with Yunnan bats and gain of function.
    We now have something that is tagged covid-19.
    People die.
    Some people die with something that can be tagged covid-19.
    
    If covid-19 were really as deadly as early alarmists threatened, “they” wouldn’t have had to fudge the numbers.
    
    Now we have the mislabeled vaccines. Which are truly frightening.
    And they surely are dangerous.
    Why?
    Because we are being so reassured they are safe.
    
    Take me to task, but that’s the view I’ve reached to date.
    - pariah on May 12, 2021 · at 11:21 am EST/EDT
      
      It’s all right here. The worker bees let these devils do this to us. It’s a big success. The die-off is delayed, plausible deniability.
      
      https://nojabforme.info/
      - Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 14, 2021 · at 1:39 am EST/EDT
        
        I am about as anti-vax as anyone could get, so it is extremely disappointing to see such a blatant misrepresentation of facts being presented which being so patently obvious, raises severe credibility issues with the entire Nojabme site.
        
        Points 7&8 quoted below are a shocking example of using faulty maths and ridiculous assumptions to present blatant falsehoods as fact.
        
        Fact…78% of people over 50 and virtually everyone over 60 has at least one, if not more “underlying conditions”.
        Indeed 85.6% of Americans [male and female]…sorry wokers…[not].. over 65 have at least one chronic health condition! 56% have 2 and, and 23.1% had 3+ conditions!
        
        Given that these figures were from back in 2008, I would bet the farm that they have seen a significant deterioration in the ensuing 13 years.
        
        https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/health_policy/adult_chronic_conditions.htm
        
        As such it is farcically ridiculous for Nojabme to use the CDC’s observation of this 94% of deaths as a reason to conclude therefore that only 6% of deaths “were actually caused by Covid19 and then to further extrapolate a 0.12% case fatality rate on that initial nonsensical false premise. They would at the very least have to deduct the average for any given population off this 94% before making any further calculations.
        
        What an absolutely appalling and obvious misrepresentation of facts. This sort of garbage actually does the collective anti-vax cause immense harm and only serves to erode its credibility…very disappointing!
        
        So too with any ‘facts’, the CDC puts its name to…why on earth would the figures in #8 have any credibility either?
        
        …quoted from your link…
        
        “7. The CDC later admitted that 94% of deaths had underlying conditions. That means that of the 527,000 deaths attributed to the influenza variant masked as SARS-CoV-2 only 6% were actually caused directly by Covid19, or 31,620. That brings the true case fatality rate to 0.12% out of the 27 million cases
        
        8. The survival rate for Covid19 is, therefore, roughly 99.9%. When using the state population as the denominator, the death rate is even lower, ranging from 36 to 247 deaths per 100,000. As at March 19, 2021, even with the doctored numbers and faulty tests, the CDC arrived at the following survival rates:
        Ages 0-17 99.998%
        Ages 18-49 99.95%
        Ages 50-64 99.4%
        Ages 65+ 91%”
    - reante on May 13, 2021 · at 2:07 pm EST/EDT
      
      WW,
      
      iain davis has been been on the cutting edge of this whole virus deal, and that was another great article of his. thanks for the post. nobody should be taking you to task.
- Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 3:51 pm EST/EDT
  
  Hi WW
  
  Cant report anything yet from NZ as I don’t know anyone personally who has had the jab.
  
  The only people I know who have are overseas. One, my closest school-buddy and his wife, who live in Toulouse [France], both got their first AZ shot 6 weeks ago and are due to get their second mid-July. They both reported no reactions but know a few people who had mild flu-like symptoms. Nonetheless, I am very concerned about him getting any of these vaccines as he had a terrible time with Guillain-Barre syndrome about three years ago and was in intensive care for 6 weeks and 18 months of rehabilitation. He is extremely fortunate to even be alive.
  
  The only other person we know who had the shot is my partner’s daughter, a nurse near Brisbane, who along with some of her colleagues were coerced by their employers into receiving the AZ product. She, and 5 out of 8 who got the jab, experienced very uncomfortable urinary/kidney infection-like symptoms that took a few days to subside.
  
  I remain very concerned about many things to do with reporting and collating meaningful adverse reaction data…
  
  #1 Studies show that historically only around 1-10% of events ever get officially reported…meaning, on average, we would have to multiply the reported results by between 10 and 100 to get anywhere near close to the true numbers.
  
  #2 Vaccine recipients are only monitored for 15-30 mins after getting the jab. If they die in this period they might be reported as a vaccine-related death, but it is still impossible for a pathologist to prove that it was definitely caused by the vaccine.
  
  #3 If recipients die anytime after leaving the premises the death can be easily blamed on other factors.
  
  #4 There is obviously a massive global effort to rush into vaccines…to ignore the multitude of short and long-term health risks from these vaccines …to bury highly effective, readily available, and very affordable treatments [ e.g.Ivermectin/Ozone Therapy]…and to impede the reporting of adverse reactions to the vaccines.
  
  I will definitely keep you posted on any developments in NZ
  
  Cheers and all the best
  Col

NJ on May 12, 2021 · at 6:16 am EST/EDT

Hi all, just a piece on deluded Nazi scum gagging to be used as Perfidious Albion’s mop.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/estonia-becomes-centre-stage-anti-russia-military-exercises/5744947

Estonia Becomes Centre Stage of Anti-Russia Military Exercises

White Whale on May 12, 2021 · at 6:54 am EST/EDT

Col, sandinEd Sean-t-L

Dr Richard Fleming
https://www.flemingmethod.com

mRNA Transcription Capacity

Evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein can Integrate into human DNA.
Image (on Fleming site) shows mRNA getting into brain cells.
• Using the Reverse Transcriptase (RT) found in human platelets, CD4 (Helper Cells) and other cells carrying Long Interspersed Nuclear Elements (LINE-1); or by the HIV-RT. Research has shown that SARS-CoV-2 mRNA can insert itself into human DNA
• LINE-1 averages 6,000 base pairs (bp) and comprises approximately 17% of human DNA
• 80 -100 of these LINE-1 segments are known to retro transpose leading to insertions, deletions, and rearrangement of genetic material.
Report
• SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome

Presence of Prion-like Structure in Spike Protein
Prion-like domains are critical to SARS-CoV-2 virulence.
Prions are associated with “Mad Cow Disease” and neuromuscular movement disorders seen in Parkinson’s Disease and Alzheimer’s.

Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (CJD), also known as subacute spongiform encephalopathy or neurocognitive disorder due to prion disease, is a fatal degenerative brain disorder.[4][1]
Early symptoms include memory problems, behavioral changes, poor coordination, and visual disturbances.[4]
Later symptoms include dementia, involuntary movements, blindness, weakness, and coma.[4]
About 70% of people die within a year of diagnosis.[4]
Reports
• SARS-CoV-2 prion-like domains in spike proteins enable higher affinity to ACE2
• Somatic APP gene recombination and mutations occur mosaically in normal and Alzheimer’s disease neurons.

Thoughts. Objections?

sandinED on May 12, 2021 · at 12:08 pm EST/EDT

WW,

this is a confirmation of the video on the ‘ Fat Emperor ‘ site ( I’ve posted it twice – I better not again :-) ) interviewing a microbiologist / geneticist who said that the furin sites / insertions could not have happened naturally and had to have been done in a lab. Also that this was an alteration that specifically made the disease infectious to humans / it would not otherwise have been. He had consulted relevantly qualified colleagues who all agreed – but were unwilling to speak publicly.

Now it seems Dr. Zhengli’s report, plainly setting out how it was done, is available. I remember when covid was first discussed, an ER doctor posted a video saying the respirators were not helping and that it was blood clotting that was depriving the lungs of oxygen. I believe he was fired for this.

Reiner Fullmich may find this video useful. What is truly awful is that people are denied treatment – just go home – get the vaccine. Dr. Ryan Cole explained that the treatments had to be suppressed as the vaccine roll out could not be legally done if viable treatment was available. Evil is the word.
- Tomsen on May 13, 2021 · at 8:21 pm EST/EDT
  
  They use the excuse “transmission” for the vaccination programme. Treatment is not in family with transmission.
Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 12, 2021 · at 11:12 pm EST/EDT

Hi White Whale

Your link is the best presentation I have seen to date on this whole subject… by an absolute country mile.

If anyone has the time to invest two and a half hours, this man walks you through just about every aspect of the Covid-19 shambles including the origin and the funding of how this dangerous gain of function virus was bio-engineered.

It also covers the extraordinary dangers of these experimental vaccines and the enormous ethical and legal implications that are unfolding…all in a presentation of extraordinary courage, outlined with a wealth of scientific fact, and beautifully presented in a way that most people could readily absorb.

There’s even a bit of mirth in there too…

Two rats talking…
First rat…are you getting the vaccine?
2nd rat…hell no, they haven’t even finished the human trials yet!

….sadly the joke pretty much sums this whole debacle up to a tee.

Once again…WW…thanks a million for posting this extraordinary gem!
Col
- White Whale on May 13, 2021 · at 2:04 am EST/EDT
  
  Col, you are gonna lol. (I think).
  To date, Australia has been jabbing with Pfizer and AZ.
  Good ole taxpayers have now been hit up to fatten Modernas coffers.
  The lol comes with the suggestion it’s possible to mix n match.
  Like a wine and cheese tasting.
  Have a AZ, then a Pfizer, then next year, a booster of Moderna.
  
  What a fantastic way to muddy the already hazy data – now no one can be sure which cocktail caused what symptoms.
  
  And all companies enjoy a tasty slice of the vac pie.
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-13/moderna-pfizer-mrna-covid-vaccine-update/100136886
  Can you mix and match vaccines?
  It’s possible you might be able to, yes.
  That is, either get a first dose of one vaccine, and a second dose of another.
  Or be fully vaccinated with one vaccine, then get a different kind of booster.
  When asked about this earlier today, Professor Brendan Murphy said it’s something they are watching closely.
  “We think there is no reason why you can’t mix and match vaccines,” he said.
  “The trial data is not out yet. There’s some trials being done in the UK, looking at AstraZeneca first dose and Pfizer or Moderna second dose.
  ”There’s no good scientific reason why you can’t boost with one and then have another vaccine later.” *
  Previously, health authorities had raised questions about how long people would have to wait between doses of different vaccines, given they all have different wait times.
  
  WW: As there is no good scientific reason for any of these vacs. Ole Muph here is not wrong, i guess.
  - sandinED on May 13, 2021 · at 10:33 am EST/EDT
    
    Hi, WW,
    
    “..there is no scientific reason..” – well not in the new science there isn’t, which is evidence free, against all previous medical practice, defying even simple common sense, requiring strict censorship to stand – and oh the precautionary principle has been removed.
    
    I also mainly agree with Coleman – he has a long record of being right. He needs to take care using the word hoax, because it is jumped upon to call him a tin foil hat wearer. So I’m glad he clarified that – he doesn’t want to give the covid faithful any ammunition against him. There is no doubt people get sick and die of covid – and I also think there is some logic that the flu has largely disappeared – the covid contagion may be out-competing it. Susceptible people who would otherwise die of flu, or other diseases that carriy off the elderly or immune compromised, may well have died of covid – they can’t then also die of flu.
    
    That doesn’t change the fact that the test kits are not reliable and that ‘ cases ‘ and death numbers have been massaged upwards just as side effects and vaccine deaths are being massaged downwards. UK column has discussed how the official figures are being obfuscated and has set up its own page – using official figures and statistics – to make them more accessible. I’ve found it very hard to find basic all cause death figures for comparison. Why should that be difficult to find ? I can’t think of an innocent explanation.

Alabama on May 12, 2021 · at 7:42 am EST/EDT

https://www.rt.com/usa/523545-gas-shortage-crunch-hoarders/

One can tell if this is military based by the timing, if it goes to the weekend, the military just needed another reason to obtain legal funding. If it goes say two weekends, then our weak link is cyber based.

My educated guess is the former, the administration is too calm during this potential disaster.

White Whale on May 12, 2021 · at 8:13 am EST/EDT

Biden aching to blame Russia for the pipeline cyber attack.
But he wants a June meeting with Putin.
I suspect the US state dept is still smarting from the smack given when they had their ambassador sent back to Washington “for talks” following Biden’s “Putin is a killer” snafu.
Biden won’t get his June foto-op if he blames this one on Putin.

Biden says ‘no evidence’ Russia responsible for pipeline cyberattack… but Russia has ‘some responsibility’
10 May, 2021

https://www.rt.com/usa/523420-biden-colonial-pipeline-russia-responsiblity/
- Alabama on May 12, 2021 · at 11:23 am EST/EDT
  
  Russia say,
  
  fool me once shambers on me,
  
  fool me twice, shambers on you.

Moi on May 12, 2021 · at 7:45 am EST/EDT

I honestly cannot understand why the tens of millions of ME victims of US wars of aggression don’t launch a class action compensation case.

To the best of my knowledge, neither the Gulf nor Syrian wars were authorized nor declared as “wars” by the US Congress. Ergo it seems to me that someone must be legally accountable before the US Courts for all the death and destruction visited upon innocent civilians.

Universal jurisdiction means that people like Julian Assange can be subject to US law. Ergo everyone else subject to US law must be able to use it to sue for justice in US Courts.

sean the leprechaun on May 12, 2021 · at 8:34 am EST/EDT

For those with an interest in the medical side of The Herb
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.10.432967v1

This from Dr Tenpenny, sis asked me to read to see what I think, anyone else………
https://rense.com/general96/20-mechanisms-of-injury.php

Info on vaxx and who makes them
https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/drugs-vaccines-tracker/

Not sure what to make of this………..
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-concern-over-black-fungus-in-covid-19-patients-in-india/?

Cheers, M

If last link doesn’t work, I removed everything after the ?, not sure if ? was supposed to be removed also, as per lesson recieved on other thread…………hey, I’m freak’n old.

WW on May 12, 2021 · at 5:25 pm EST/EDT

Link works.

sean the leprechaun on May 12, 2021 · at 8:50 am EST/EDT

This is an interesting read……..a bit long, grab a coffee, but a thesis on the origins of Sars-carona
https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Cheers, M

I still lean towards the Winnipeg lab being the source of the leak……sending ‘unauthorized’ samples of bat virus………someone has some s’plainin’ to do. And it begs a huge question Why??????????????

sean the leprechaun on May 12, 2021 · at 11:28 am EST/EDT

At 75 yrs old, even Van is being Wokensided

https://newspunch.com/van-morrison-is-being-blacklisted-for-his-latest-act-of-wrongthink/

Cheers………maybe jeers, M

Per/Norway on May 12, 2021 · at 2:20 pm EST/EDT

the Vernon Coleman video in the newsfeed is well worth a watch.

White Whale on May 12, 2021 · at 5:39 pm EST/EDT

From Vernon Coleman:
Important Note: My first video in March 2020 was entitled, Coronavirus Scare – the Hoax of the Century?.
What I meant by this, and have subsequently made clear on many occasions, is not that the existence of covid-19 itself is a hoax, but that the exaggerated, fraudulent response was unnecessary, harmful and deliberately designed to over-sell a not unusual seasonal virus infection.
The covid-19 infection is merely a standard flu heavily marketed for a specific purpose: the lockdowns, the social distancing, the masks, and the vaccines were never necessary, and it is not difficult to prove that these measures have done infinitely more harm than good and will, in due course, result in far more deaths than covid-19.
If this really were a pandemic, there would have been no need for governments to fiddle the covid death figures.
For example, if someone dies within 28 or 60 days of having had a positive PCR test (a test that is known to have a high rate of false positives) then that person is automatically put down as a covid death.
That is fraud.
It is not unknown for the ordinary flu to kill 650,000 people globally in a single, six month flu season but today the flu has virtually disappeared but the mainstream media appears to have failed to make this pretty obvious connection.
There would have been no need for governments and the media to lie, lie and lie again.
And, most important of all, there would have been no need to silence, suppress and demonise all those wishing to question the officially promoted lies.
Never, in history, has medical debate been so effectively oppressed and doctors wishing to share simple truths been so ruthlessly silenced.
It is also worth remembering that many of the so-called fact checkers are nothing of the sort.
There are now hundreds of self-acclaimed fact checkers around the world, and many of them receive huge donations from individuals, corporations and charities with views and vested interests to protect.
Many of the fact checkers seem to be employed largely to suppress the truth and to discredit those who are sharing the truth.
The day after my first video appeared on YouTube, my Wikipedia page was changed dramatically to discredit me.
And shortly after that, the video was removed.
Subsequently, hundreds of videos made by myself and other independent doctors have been removed though the views of pro-establishment celebrities, with no medical knowledge or understanding, have been promoted vigorously.
Similarly, it has become impossible to find publishers prepared to print material questioning the official line – and that is why Proof that Masks Do More Harm than Good has been privately published.

Anyone who wants to know why all this has happened will find the answers in my book, Endgame: The Hidden Agenda 21.

WW: To me, a lot of what Coleman says aligns with opinion expressed here at MFC.
I accept something they can tag covid-19 exists, because more than a decade of research went into gain of function of respiratory viruses.
Whitney Webb has written extensively and brilliantly on this topic. And her work on bio labs predates covid-19 by a year or more.
Myself. I don’t have to agree with someone’s every syllable to generally agree with their broader views.
I do enjoy Coleman’s style.

sandinED on May 12, 2021 · at 3:22 pm EST/EDT

An psychiatric doctor on an emergency ward on this brief video called The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity. Covers among other things :

Security junkies.
National panic Syndrome.
Escalating numbers of things to fear –
the more safe you are, the more things are found to fear.
Global self harming behaviour
The stupidity of taking actions without considering the negative effects.
People in fear are easily controlled.

https://youtu.be/43J7hD9I0jY

Well worth a look – it’s only 17 minutes – I switched on subtitles and watched at 1.75 speed.

mundanomaniac on May 12, 2021 · at 5:16 pm EST/EDT

Is there any bridge between the daily catch-me-as-you-can of our collective conscious endeavors,
which in the zone B appear in shining peaks of humility and professionalism, a bridge between the world of consciousness and the deep streams of the archetypal movings in us in the background of our consciousness, about psychology and astrology delving for an understanding.

In this cafe the background of the indirect effects is rarely concerned, most likely yet by the poets and their resonance from the poet in us, and quiet more rarely some resonating astrological sparks. And I would be so happy to share the encouragement, given by the experience, to stay watching God’s divine creators in us, inaccessible to the demons.

This time to the foreground adhere 80%, to poetry and literature 15%, to astrology … 3%, less? Well, remember, the masses dismissed the redeemer and voted for Barabbas …

But know, time is like a river, swinging from the right to the left and back and back … – be sure, we’re approaching a time, when the unconscious psycho/physical depth of spirit in mankind will be a new found brother to step by step becoming a wiser mankind.

Anyway, the chronicle of this weekly background is available for consciousness, or at least hunch, even if it’s time still has come …

http://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2021/05/mercurys-twitter-eternal-measure-of.html

Anomalous on May 12, 2021 · at 6:14 pm EST/EDT

The sad irony of Barabass is his name. The masses called for the release of the son of the wrong father.

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/ntstudies/yeshua-bar-abba.html

NJ on May 12, 2021 · at 5:18 pm EST/EDT

https://tass.com/defense/1288999
Russian Navy frigate sets off for Russia’s northwest to test breakthrough missile weapons

The warship has entered the Barents Sea and headed eastward along the Kola Peninsula coast. The frigate is expected to arrive at the Belomorsk naval base tomorrow. In Severodvinsk, the warship will take part in the final stages of the tests of breakthrough missile weapons,” the press office said in a statement.

—–

Advanced Tsirkon live fire trials?

sandinED on May 12, 2021 · at 8:11 pm EST/EDT

A heartfelt plea from Dr Tess Lawrie – calling all doctors to remember their oath to first do no harm – to work for their patients.

She calls for the use of medicines like Ivrmectin and decries the fact that doctors are dictated to by politicians on what medicines they are allowed to use. She condemns how integrity has been compromised by big pharma and calls for independence. She wants a new WHO formed to represent people – not corporations as it does now. She is very emotional. A must watch short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi2cY_-GMSU

amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 6:07 am EST/EDT

That is a very good video and a brave woman for sure.

Lasttruebeliever on May 13, 2021 · at 9:31 am EST/EDT

Just sitting here having my morning toke and can’t help feeling a little nostalgic: Ioan, Bro 93, Vot Tak, the old lecher from California who moved to Wisconsin, the American soldier in. Crimea, the Wolfhound so proud…
What a trip this cafe has been…

Brother Blue Iconoclast

Anonymous on May 13, 2021 · at 1:52 pm EST/EDT

Howdy, Lasttruebeliever, you gotta keep believen’, believe me, keep on truckin til’ the bitter end my friend. There’s hope around corner, first it gets bad, then badder, then awful, then awfuller, then even worse, then still worser, in the end, it starts to get better and betterer until your in the Land’s of the Angels, Ya been there yet?

Now Putin’s a good fella, he’s verry canny (as the Scots say)and doing his best now, right now, and he knows a thing or two as well, so there ya go, them russkies are tough fella’s. even so, many were corrupted, dontcha know, you do fer sure, by evil, that brother Lenin, the olde comrade himself, then his partner’s in crime after, Back then, the highest artform of propaganda was instigated for social control. WA ? as ? will excclaim ; )
Read em comrades at the (official anyway, but long before), founding of the writers congress 1934, and toughen up, it’s about the engineering of soul’s, ‘the new genre of silence’, as the good Babel called it.

At the Congress, April (?) Zhadinov told Russia :
“You have many different types of weapons. Soviet literature has every opportunity of employing these types of weapons (genres, styles, forms and methods of literary creation) in their diversity and fullness, selecting all the best that has been created in this sphere by all previous epochs. From this point of view, the mastery of the technique of writing, the critical assimilation of the literary heritage of all epochs, represents a task which you must fulfill without fail, if you wish to become engineers of human souls”
Photo of Zhadanov
soviethistory.msu.edu/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/zhdanov.jpg
http://soviethistory.msu.edu/

Artists had to become conveyers of support, in whatever way, of the state. if not, then bye bye, don’t cry….

That’s a too long post of mine, now you write something, anything, a poem, do please, they are great !
- Babuška on May 13, 2021 · at 6:25 pm EST/EDT
  
  Dear Anonymous
  
  “The potent alchemy of patience and persistence, which together become endurance, must have been what the Lebanese poet Hoda al-Namoi was meditating on when she wrote:
  
  I have not withdrawn into despair
  I did not go mad in gathering honey
  
  If you are determined to gather life’s honey, to stick your hand into the hive again and again and again, to be stung so many times that you become the pain, to persevere and persist til those who know and love you become unable to think of you as a
  
  fairly normal woman” (or man)
  
  “You will not be called mad
  You will be called authentic.”
  
  From Sarah Ban Breathnach
  With love always from
  Babuška
  - Dimitar on May 14, 2021 · at 1:31 am EST/EDT
    
    You will not be called mad.
    You will be called authentic.
    
    In the authentic world, yes.
Steve Pahs Wolfhound on May 13, 2021 · at 7:05 pm EST/EDT

LTB
I’m the “Hound” and I’m still “proud” of keeping my honor in a dis-honorable war. That may sound to be an oxymoron but if you are 19 and ignorant from MSM programming, keeping your honor becomes a reasonable posit. It has to do with a good character and mine is still intact. Bro 93 still lurks but he is hell bent to convince the world that “crypto” is the way to go. The “old former priest lecher’ Dennis L.” disappeared into Wisconsin to fade into “Love Bower” history. I think he may have been right about China and who funded their “rise” and why.
I haven’t “toked” in a not so few years but still kinda miss it at times. I do like my brain better without, I must admit. I see the war and my involvement more clearly and honestly. The last person to fool is yourself. I’ve become my own hero and I certainly don’t want to disappoint “him”.
Good to hear from you. The Cafe is “a trip” and daily involvement is not necessary. The ego spats are quite revealing unbeknownst to the participants. Kinda reminds me of voodoo priests sorting thru chicken entrails to discern the present and future. Sometimes silence is golden.
Wolfhound 2/27
- Dimitar on May 13, 2021 · at 9:20 pm EST/EDT
  
  “I’ve become my own hero…”
  
  This is a statement I’m very happy to see and hear on this site or anywhere. Yet it is what we all eventually arrive at, when we outgrow our heroes or suddenly notice that they’re naked. Of course, hand in glove with this is what you share about honour; it comes from within and never, ever has to be sacrificed no matter what our outer circumstances may be. It’s important ultimately to forgive ourselves, for whatever perceived transgressions we’ve made, more so than it it is to forgive others, not that that isn’t important, but it’s useless if we carry a burden of guilt needlessly within ourselves.
  
  PS Do you mind if I call you Wolfie? I’m given to affectionate names/terms, lol.
  - Steve Pahs/Wolfhound on May 14, 2021 · at 9:24 am EST/EDT
    
    D
    Thanks for the the insightful response.
    Regarding “honor” I think it may be the same as “character”. Some years ago after hearing the phrase “Adversity builds character” it dawned on me that it may be “Adversity “reveals” character”. Also, “Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement”. Look before you leap.
    Self forgiveness I think should be preceded by an honest attempt at righting the wrong and willingness to accept a “righting” from someone else. A friend/client/ (I was a building contractor) told me a story about a local businessman whom I also knew, who found out that he had a terminal illness and less than a year to live. He was quite gruff and maybe somewhat ruthless in business. He had an epiphany and decided to right some wrongs. He embarked upon a personal journey to contact and meet with people that he knew he had wronged. His melancholy journey had quite an effect on those he met with and I’m sure that he was at peace when he passed. It’s never too late……
    I am in contact with “Bro” and will pass along your link.
    wolfie
Dimitar on May 14, 2021 · at 12:32 am EST/EDT

Brother Blue, you wouldn’t happen to have Bro’s email handy would ya? I’d asked him to pass it on but it all got lost in the melee there ‘tward the end. I do miss ’em, too, some gone irretrievably, some out of reach… life moves on, however, and here we are, with love in our hearts for our friends, but also the new day… Best, D. PS, Bro, if you’re out there and you’d like to contact me, go here… http://www.valenis.net/contact.php

Mr P on May 13, 2021 · at 9:38 am EST/EDT

searchterm SMOKING GUN VIDEO: Fauci Project Manager Confesses to Creating Covid-19

Makes sense.

amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 11:08 am EST/EDT

Lots to say but not much time to say it in. The first quoted document there, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists thing I look at already a week or so ago. It is a pure China Bad job .. skillful manipulative propaganda. I wanted to write about it, but no time alas. Luckily Romanoff came out with his piece on propaganda and I felt I could rest (grins). I did learn who the Atomic Scientists were, and it is just another think tank – it blew my mind because I thought the guys with the ‘how many minutes to midnight’ clock were good guys. Unfortunately not. There are in all of their top echelons I think one doctor of some kind and one person with research experience. The rest are plain old suits mainly of the grifter kind.

For the rest, I just wish it was not Alex Jones. Don’t you find it extreme that there is not a Chinese person in sight in the whole shebang, but it is China and they did it to win the ‘worldwide’ or ‘international trade war’? It was just Trump’s trade war. The reports mentioned as well, the assumption is ‘Wuhan’ – they have no doubt that it is Wuhan.

Mr P, I’ll have to take a look at this in detail, but some of it stinks. Take a look at a different view.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The United States is developing individual biological research plans for many countries and is forcing their implementation via various joint programmes declared as being peaceful in nature, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev said in an interview with Sputnik.
https://sputniknews.com/military/202105111082852965-us-develops-individual-biological-weapons-plans-for-different-countries-russia-says/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com%2F%3Ffromzen%3Dabro
- Mr P on May 13, 2021 · at 3:55 pm EST/EDT
  
  I think it’s probably a limited hangout and AJ is being used.
  
  My bet is down with Stumpy, the bar tender down at the Dew Drop.
  
  I bet the Wuhan people are the patsy and that (see Medium Jeffery Kaye on germwar by US) …that the game was to trick China into thinking that it was their fubar, while the reality had “something” to do with Ft D. Jeff’s got more than a thousand pages of evidence, much in US radio intercepts now declassified confirms the documents. I read all of it.
  
  The routine is a classic con.
  
  In point of documented fact the US began creating institutions and machinery for germwar in March of 41, according to the Merck report, and began using it on Korea and on China on the first of January 1951 (If my recollection are correct…Jeff’s nailed it). The really interesting thing is what’s not found in the records…the doggie what doanbark. There is no ending date.
  
  Old Microbiologist @ the Bar (MoA) has made many very interesting and I imagine valid, statements. I recommend them.
  
  One conclusion some might form – related to the AJ business – is that the good doc F understands that the vaccine is the agent, the virus the lure. It might seem from a totality of sources that the injections are the secondary weapon, the virus the primary. I believe OMB said recently that even when he left the field it Was obvious that race-specific germ war would be possible…words to that effect. Better check tho.
  
  Generally, it might seem that the injections being coerced may be expected in time to ruin the health and reproductive capacity of the injected population. While proffered as “experimental”, there are no control groups… (it ain’t what it seems). Generally, I have heard, the injected population will die early.
  
  That’s what might be construed by the AJ hangout, and sources generally observed around here. An MD I know personally opined that the virus came from a lab, a year ago.
  
  Of course anything like that must be pure commie lies, or whatever…

amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 9:44 am EST/EDT

This looks to me as the most used hashtag – #PalestineUnderAttack

https://twitter.com/hashtag/PalestineUnderAttack?src=hashtag_click

Whenever Netanyahu runs into political problems, he shoots and murders Palestinians. The rumors are that the IDF are now planning very soon a boots-on-the-ground Gaza incursion/invasion.

Everyone is calling on the UN to act, but the US stands in the way as a diplomatic shield for Israel.

https://twitter.com/agent_of_change/status/1392777336785883138

amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 10:17 am EST/EDT

Russia called on Israel to immediately end settlements and maintain peace at sacred sites.

https://www.rt.com/russia/523684-moscow-gaza-armistice-calls/

“The foreign ministry in Moscow later issued a statement which “emphasized the importance of putting an immediate end to the violence, as well as the inadmissibility of attacks on civilians, regardless of their nationality and religion.” The diplomats added that this applied to both “strikes on civilian targets in Israeli and Palestinian territory.” Furthermore, they insisted that Israel must maintain “the status quo of Jerusalem’s sacred sites” and “immediately” stop all settlement activities in Palestinian areas.”

I have a feeling this time Israel is not going to get away with it so easily.
- sandinED on May 13, 2021 · at 10:47 am EST/EDT
  
  Hi Amarynth,
  
  that is good to hear. I’ve noted that RT is sticking to the formula of always stating that Israel is ” responding to ” rocket attacks. It’s repeated in various forms – in response to … Israel has responded by… after rocket attacks…rocket attacks continue. In case anyone is in doubt – Israel is the victim !
  
  There is apparently an equivalence between an occupied people with no military force ( who have an absolute right to resist occupation ) and a nuclear armed super power. Well, that’s the MSM version – and they’re sticking to it.
  
  The Russian statement along with the recent designation of Israel as an apartheid state provides a glimmer of hope for change.
? on May 13, 2021 · at 11:11 am EST/EDT

chinese news media is showing a video clip from somebody’s twitter on Iron Dome intercepting the firing rockets into Israel at night – looks exactly like fireworks blowing up in the sky except it is bloody scary… they say some 1,250 missles were fired into Israel…

anyone come across any VERIFIED video clips like this?
I dont have ANY social media account. Sorry.

you can read as the chinese has made their stance too.
anyone has more ground reports?
maybe da boss can tap some of his connections??

sigh :( I have to stay w Ukies and SCS… will come around to check for updates

be well be safe
JJ on May 13, 2021 · at 12:11 pm EST/EDT

Israel….calling up 7000 reservists….massing troops near Gaza border..says will continue action for some more days refusing a call for peace from Hamas via Egypt.
Hamas reportedly saying it was so far only using up old stock weapons and have newer surprises awaiting. One wonders how badly affected Hamas is by assassination of maybe 9 top commanders. So was H peace call genuine because of that ..they knew it would be refused…or are they waiting for IDF incursion as a kind of it is now a Palestinian all or nothing now as “civil strife “between the P and I peoples seems to be steadily increasing out of hand…one wonders.
amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 12:29 pm EST/EDT

righteo .. There is something about the Gaza strip that crawls into my heart. I don’t know why, but it has always been so. (Since my granny told me that ‘Jesus was a Jew’ and I asked why is he not kind to the Palestinians then. My Dad just laughed aloud because he knew the deal, and my granny looked taken aback and flummoxed and mumbled something about children should be seen and not heard!)

So, I hope I can stay with real politic and not conclude what is not ‘concludable’. I agree with Pat Lang, Iran most probably is helping Palestine. https://turcopolier.com/the-dogs-have-teeth/

I also feel that ‘this time it is different’. So I went to look at Iranian Press. I’ll just leave a few links here. Don’t have to even read em in detail, just check the headlines.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/05/13/652583/Rouhani-Islamic-countries-must-defend-Palestine-against-Zionist-aggression

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/05/13/652588/Palestine-Israel-rockets-Gaza-Hamas-Qassam-brigades-al-Quds-airstrikes

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/05/13/652542/Palestine-Hamas-strikes-Tel-Aviv-Haifa-Nazareth-Israel

There is more and you don’t have to go far. PressTV has it all on the top of their page.
- JJ on May 13, 2021 · at 5:34 pm EST/EDT
  
  IDF land forces going into Gaza reportedly from twitter a few minutes ago ….if they occupy will be too late for supporters outside Palestine to come in and defend it.
  - JJ on May 13, 2021 · at 5:45 pm EST/EDT
    
    Clarification
    
    Israeli air and ground forces are currently attacking Gaza “When the Israeli army says a ground attack, it means artillery and tank attacks on the Israeli side of the border with Gaza,” said Zahi Dabush,a correspondent for the Israeli army radio
    - amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 6:05 pm EST/EDT
      
      JJ, Others report that the ground forces are inside the Gaza. Others report that it is fake.
      This Dan Cohen guy is from the Electronic Intifada.
      
      https://twitter.com/dancohen3000
      
      The IDF – I don’t believe a word they say.
      But they say IDF air and ground troops are currently attacking in the Gaza Strip.
      
      They also say that the rockets fall back on the Gazans and they are responsible for killing their own. https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1392953390443991040
      
      This is going to be a confusing and deadly and horrible night – I hope somebody is left alive on the other side.
      - amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 6:55 pm EST/EDT
        
        Horrible scenes in the Gaza now.
        
        https://twitter.com/hashtag/PalestineUnderAttack?src=hashtag_click
- Anonymous on May 14, 2021 · at 6:34 am EST/EDT
  
  As of about an hour or two ago, a new salvo of missiles has been launched against Israel. Among these is the Iranian Sejjil ballistic missile. No one should doubt that Iran is helping the Palestinians.
  
  The Palestinians have also unveiled their domestically produced kamikaze drone, the Shahab, which has been successfully used against multiple Israeli targets these past few days.
  
  If one follows the western media and social media, one gets the impression that Israel is the only side inflicting damage. One would be a fool to believe it. The Palestinian onslaught has inflicted untold damage to the Zionist state so far. And more new weapons are still to be unveiled.
  
  The Palestinians know that their liberation will come at a price. There will be many dead and injured. This is a sad truth. People die in war. But today the Palestinians have struck fear and dread into the hearts of every single Zionist occupier.
  
  It is true that Gaza has been devastated, but for the Palestinians that is nothing new. Every few years the Zionists destroy Gaza. But this time practically all of Israel has been devastated by Palestinian missiles, which is a first.
  
  120 US military personnel are being evacuated out of Israel right now.
  
  The Zionist city of Ashkelon is truly a sight to behold. Unprecedented destruction and devastation.
  
  Migration of Jews out of Israel was already an embarrassing problem for the Zionist state. It will greatly accelerate now, I think.
  
  Meanwhile, Hezbollah and the Sepah are watching very closely. Every missile that makes it through the Iron Dome is being analyzed and put under a microscope. Every movement by the Zionist regime is being watched and studied right now.
  
  This conflict may end in ceasefire soon. But the Zionists have a real problem, I think. What to do with the Palestinians? I am sure the fuhrer Netanyahu is working on a Final Solution.
  - amarynth on May 14, 2021 · at 7:19 am EST/EDT
    
    Thanks for that very good report.
    
    A few additions: There are videos of masses of Jordanians pulling up to the border in convoys and also running. I have no idea the purpose and if they are going to stop at the border just for protest.
    https://twitter.com/hussainbajwa40/status/1393150610426540033
    https://twitter.com/Raniafoudeh01/status/1393144243116552196
    
    I also picked up that 3 rockets/missiles came in from Hezbollah – Lebanon (take with a grain of salt until confirmation).
    
    The Russians are full time on the phones for de-escalation https://tass.com/world/1289625
    The processes in the UNSC are being slowed down deliberately. Now it is only on Sunday that they will gather. I wonder what will happen between now and Sunday – they’re buying time for more carnage. How very convenient that some of these people have no time to gather on immediate de-escalation and cease-fire.
    
    An Egyptian delegation came to Israel with a cease-fire proposal… Israel rejected and the Egyptians left. https://www.rt.com/news/523773-un-chief-calls-ceasefire-gaza/
    
    Yes, new Jewish migration out in full swing, if they can find an airplane out.
    
    And many many protests across the world in support of the Palestinians.
    - amarynth on May 14, 2021 · at 9:51 am EST/EDT
      
      And to add to all of this … some of us say that ‘this time it is different’, and more and more it is different. See also later in this Cafe, the Anonymous report on what the weapon situation is like.
      
      Here is China
      China slams U.S. for thwarting UN meetings on Palestine-Israel issue
      
      “… the United States keeps saying it cares about the human rights of Muslims. Now the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has reoccurred, and a large number of Palestinian Muslims have been affected by the war and are suffering, but the United States shows indifference to their suffering and has been strongly obstructive on the issue.”
      
      http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-05/14/c_139946206.htm
      - Anonymous on May 14, 2021 · at 10:36 am EST/EDT
        
        The missiles and drones that the Palestinians are using are by no means top of the line Iranian technology. If anything, they are the lowliest and simplest of the publicized Iranian arsenal.
        
        This in of itself is both a way of testing the waters, and sending a message, I believe. The message to the Zionists is, can you survive if the Palestinians get big boy weapons? And of course the result of this conflict seems to indicate that they can barely survive the toy drones and rockets.
        
        And what if, next time the Palestinians start making trouble, say Hezbollah decides to get involved too? And Bashar Assad decides to take the Golan back? And what if some Iraqi PMUs show up for the party, instead of Jordanian protesters? And heck, maybe the Houthis toss some missiles towards Tel Aviv as well, why not?
        
        And what if Iran itself decides to get directly involved? What will the Zionist regime do? Persian boots are no strangers to Jerusalem. They have walked there as conquerers in the past.
        
        I am not much of an analyst, but I am finding it hard to see a way to victory for the Zionist regime. Regardless of anything that happens now, barring some kind of cosmic/asteroid impact event, the Zionist state will be destroyed in the months and years to come. Perhaps they can take the rest of the Middle East down with them, but I think the resistance is handling them very carefully, and they will be put in their place, like how a naughty child is sent to their room.
        
        sean the leprechaun on May 14, 2021 · at 12:45 pm EST/EDT
        
        Check out Taxi over at Unz, not low end weapons, precission guided missiles having direct hits on targets deep inside Occupied Palestine, even along the coast………different game these days…….prayers with the Resistance.
        
        Cheers, M
        
        US soldiers clawd there way out from under an Iron Dome, jumped on a plane, heading home or somewhere safer……..rotflmao

Taras 77 on May 13, 2021 · at 10:29 am EST/EDT

So, … new methods of storing gasoline, in plastic bags, garbage containers!? Going out on a limb here, this prob will not end well.

Not sure how this would be measured, but I believe it is a safe bet that the American public in general has been dumbed down to a serious level.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/federal-government-agency-warns-hoarding-gasoline-plastic-bags/

As the Col from NZ would say, you cannot make this stuff up.

Col...'the farmer from NZ' on May 14, 2021 · at 5:26 am EST/EDT

Hi Taras

Close mate!…YCHMTSU…
You Could Hardly Make This Shite Up

Best regards
Col
Mr P on May 14, 2021 · at 9:07 am EST/EDT

In past gasoline drought I recall that a couple tried to siphon the stuff out of their speedboat tank into their shop-vacuum cleaner – and burned down their house. Since this was perhaps 45 years ago in USA, the case for dumbed down seems weak… at least for recent dumbing.

One might propose that the dumb-down process got going when TV got going…and when people in great numbers moved away from farms. Farms teach reality. Cities teach magic.

Americans are free from knowledge of math, history, chemistry, literature, and physics. For practical purposes they are “believers” – they’ll swallow any story, even stories that contradict one another. They believe in “magic”.

Seriously, I have long considered how it has come to pass that populations become fools. And opine that estrangement from the life of rural husbandry with the cuts and bruises and lessons leads to idiotic beliefs.

All theory and belief goes poof! in the instant that a hoof or fist connects.
- reante on May 14, 2021 · at 11:47 am EST/EDT
  
  You’re a leader of men, Mr. P. Rural husbandry is the best we can do at this juncture, while always keeping and eye to greater windows of opportunity.
  - Mr P on May 14, 2021 · at 12:57 pm EST/EDT
    
    Very kind of you to say so, but I do not aspire to lead anybody but myself and kin, and that mostly by indirect methods, questions, discussion, study.
    
    I would say that rural husbandry is a pathway to a practical and healthy mind. It’s also frugal, and leaves time to read. Like everything, it’s “extractive”, but minimally so.
    
    Our digs run to workshop and garden.
    
    I past times I built canneries and power plants and bakeries and mills. It was fun, and I liked the engineering and the materials and the skills and the solidarity between men – but withal I concluded that period with the observation that most of what I had built had now been demolished. This inclined me to inquire as to whether or not that work had been worthwhile.
    
    A retired judge and professor of constitutional law ( a real one, not barky the trained seal ) once told me that she had come to the conclusion that her legal career had been “a waste of time”, and went on to say that gardening, and writing poetry and children’s books was far more worthwhile.
    
    I agree with the professor.
    
    ………
    
    About the dumbing> Recently a female pol, a pretty girl, but vacuous, said> “We don’t need farms anymore because we have grocery stores.” And> “I can almost always tell when they use fake dinosaurs in movies.”
    
    What possible reply is there?

sandinED on May 13, 2021 · at 10:58 am EST/EDT

Anti Israel protests reported. Of course the ubiquitous “.. Israel is responding to rockets.. ” spin is used – but still.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9569781/Anti-Israel-protests-held-world-following-dramatic-escalation-violence-Hamas.html

? on May 13, 2021 · at 11:22 am EST/EDT

quick sharing –

Many ppl in India is now bathing in cow urine and spearding cow dung on themselves. Cow is a deity for them, so this is a way, as they believe, will protect them from the ‘virus’

not sure if the west media will blast this and spin it…

be well be safe

Anonymous on May 13, 2021 · at 12:51 pm EST/EDT

Ali Abunimah: “It is time for the people of Germany and German elites to stop making Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip pay for the crimes of the German people against European Jews.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/eha_deutsch

sean the leprechaun on May 13, 2021 · at 12:10 pm EST/EDT

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-csis-first-alerted-ottawa-to-national-security-concerns-of-two

In March, Iain Stewart, head of PHAC, linked the departure of the scientists to a “number of review processes” initiated by the federal agency in 2018, “relating to possible breaches of security protocols” at NML.

Little is publicly known about the reasons for the pair’s dismissal although the RCMP were called in to investigate. PHAC has said their removal from the lab was not connected to the shipment of the two viruses.

Robert Oliphant, the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, took pains to distance the dispute from the continuing COVID-19 pandemic.

“This has nothing to do with coronavirus,” Mr. Oliphant told the committee.

I shoveled a load of horse shit from the back of my truck last night, only to find a load of Bull Shit in my in box this morning………….’two virusis’ just two, eh………only in Canaduh! Stinky, stinky, stinky!

Cheers, M

sandinED on May 13, 2021 · at 1:22 pm EST/EDT

I’m sure the following, like post vaccine death, is just coincidence and entirely innocent :

“…On October 19, 2019, 15 invited – and well-rehearsed – spokespersons of 15 different billion-dollar trans-national corporate entities participated in a well-rehearsed table-top “pandemic coronavirus” exercise that planner Bill Gates labeled “Event 201”.

The institutions at the exercise included among others:

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC
The World Health Organization (WHO)
The UN Foundation,
Johnson & Johnson ( J & J),
John Hopkins University,
the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF),
The World Economic Forum (WEF),
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA),
Marriott,
MasterCard,
Lufthansa Airlines,
The World Bank
The UPS Foundation….”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-table-top-event-201-pandemic-rehearsal-and-its-aftermath/5744198

siljan on May 13, 2021 · at 3:14 pm EST/EDT

Palestine shall be free !!

“Palestine has a right to defend itself”

https://alethonews.com/2021/05/13/palestine-has-the-right-to-defend-itself/
Tomsen on May 13, 2021 · at 10:47 pm EST/EDT

What are Marriot my favourite hotel doing on this list?
- White Whale on May 13, 2021 · at 11:56 pm EST/EDT
  
  Why Marriott.
  Hmmm it never occurred to me to consider which hotels were used as “quarantine” hotels – which chain had ownership.
  Thousands of travellers in lock down in “quarantine” for two weeks, at their own expense, globally.
  Nice lil earner, that’d be.

Kent on May 13, 2021 · at 4:25 pm EST/EDT

“Shotgun Down The Avalanche”

I’m riding shotgun down the avalanche
Tumbling and falling down the avalanche
So be quiet tonight the stars
shine bright

On this mountain of new fallen snow
But I will raise up my voice into
the void
You have left me nowhere to go

I love you so much and it’s so bizarre
A mystery that goes on and on and on
This is the best thing and the very
most hard
And we don’t get along

After countless appeals we keep
spinning our wheels
On this mountain of new fallen snow
So I let go the catch and we are
over the edge
You have left me nowhere to go

I’m riding shotgun down the avalanche
Sometimes you make me lose my will
to live
And just become a beacon for your soul
But the past is stronger than my will
to forgive
Forgive you or myself, I don’t know

I’m riding shotgun down the avalanche
Tumbling and falling down the avalanche
So be quiet tonight be sure to
step lightly

On this mountain of new fallen snow
But I will raise up my voice into
the void
You have left me nowhere to go

I’m riding shotgun down the avalanche

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlf_F1lVen0&list=RDv5alxmURSGw&index=13&ab_channel=Shadowboro2

amarynth on May 13, 2021 · at 6:45 pm EST/EDT

Oh heavens! What a beautiful song and rendition. You alone fill up my music folder Kent :-)
Dimitar on May 14, 2021 · at 2:42 am EST/EDT

Allison adds immensely to anything by anyone. The was it lifts w. her harmony in the refrain, and then the violin…

I can only respond to such musicianship with something equally good.

I Riden Sa; Chaika…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nd8wYHgDJk

And the inimitable, Rhiannon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Z4PAZX9Bs

sandinED on May 13, 2021 · at 5:13 pm EST/EDT

For Dimitar,

your poem reminded me of this great song, Gordon Lightfoot, If You Could Read my Mind Love

https://youtu.be/bAedY3NucEs.

I’m always particularly touched by these lines :

I don’t know where we went wrong
but the feeling’s gone
and I just can’t get it back

Dimitar on May 14, 2021 · at 3:45 am EST/EDT

Thanks you, Sand. A beautifully crafted song and performance. The song’s construction reminds me of another singer/songwriter from that era, Jim Croce. The songwriters of that period had a distinct individuality, unlike today.
- Alabama on May 14, 2021 · at 7:08 am EST/EDT
  
  Those cats had a stronger meaning of their interpretations, csny, joplin, and the list goes on, today I dont know what they are rapping about.

Anonymous on May 14, 2021 · at 7:40 am EST/EDT

https://tn.ai/2502893

The article is in Farsi, unfortunately. But there are quite a few pictures and video clips that convey the message even to a non-Persian.

These are rockets, missiles and drones that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has intimate knowledge of, which are being unveiled on the field.

The ayash-250 rocket has been the biggest surprise to the Zionists so far. On its first field mission, it struck Ramon airport, over a distance of 200kms. This rocket has a guidance system, I should add. It is named after Yahya Ayash, commander of Qassam brigades, killed in 1995 by the Shin Bet.

Every strike by the Palestinians is immediately documented and reported by the IRGC affiliated Tasnim news agency.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps are with the Palestinians on the battlefield, in one way or another. To strike directly at the Israelis is not an opportunity the Sepah would miss out on.

? on May 14, 2021 · at 10:10 am EST/EDT

Not sure if you are the same anon above,
Thanks and pls keep us posted here whats happening on the ground. stay safe.

bibi will not participate in the final solution.
He is way overpriced and his debt are way overdue.
Who is still paying his salary?
Why is his s not hung out to dry still???

We have THE agreement. remember?

So lets fast forward and skip the bs – nuk or no nuk? big bro? we playing?!

be well be safe
- Anonymous on May 14, 2021 · at 12:45 pm EST/EDT
  
  The situation on the ground has evolved into a kind of stalemate. Hamas has made it clear that any airstrike against Gaza will elicit a proportionate barrage of rockets at Israeli cities.
  
  Flights in and out of Israel appear to have stopped, with both Ben Gurion and Ramon airports having been struck in succession. It seems the Israelis are cut off from the world for now.
  
  The Zionists have tanks and armored transports parked outside Gaza, posturing for an invasion. But it is seemingly a bluff, more bark than bite, at least so far.
  
  Western media claims that Egypt came forward with a ceasefire agreement and Israel rejected it. It appears that what really happened was that Netanyahu reached out to Cairo and Doha to intervene and propose a ceasefire, which was flatly rejected by Ismail Hanieh, and Ziyad al-Nakhala.
  
  Every tamir interceptor missile of the Iron Dome system costs $100,000 USD. Hamas’ rockets and missiles cost from a few hundred dollars up to a few thousand dollars. Let’s say that 2000 rockets have been launched so far. Some rockets hit targets, and the ones that were intercepted cost Israel 100k each. Win-win.
  
  And if Israeli troops invade Gaza, it will be a bloodbath. The Palestinians are ready to die by the thousands, judging by their track record. How many dead Zionist troops can Israel spare? The answer is none.
  
  It isn’t hard to see why Netanyahu called Cairo and Doha.
  - ? on May 14, 2021 · at 1:35 pm EST/EDT
    
    Thank you for the ground report. you stay safe there.
    
    ‘It isn’t hard to see why Netanyahu called Cairo and Doha.’
    my read: bibi dont have trump in charge now, who’s he gonna call? china and russia has made their official stance, both have enough w this trouble maker, everytime he is due for the (s)election. I think he does not command that kind of price no more and Israel may have just lost the land for good since they clearly demonstrate they will not co-exist in peace, under UN charter (if I am not mistaken). I dont think this is a long game. I think they just blew it wide and open… they are sucked in now!
    
    Anyhow, USA is playing on many fronts. We’ll see. stay safe.
    
    Maybe da boss the Saker can share his views here – Is this time different?
    
    be well be safe

sandinED on May 14, 2021 · at 9:30 am EST/EDT

Comment from Paul Craig Roberts and Consortium News on the Craig Murray case :

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/05/14/there-was-more-justice-in-stalins-show-trials-than-can-be-found-in-a-us-or-uk-court/

A comment from Craig, reluctantly detailing his health issues – I had not realised he suffered such ill health – he hides it well :

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/05/my-medical-records/

It is claimed that Murray’s health was taken into account while sentencing. This cannot be true – rather the sentence amounts to torture – or even an attempt to kill. The great moral UK, quick to lecture the whole world on human rights openly incarcerates and tortures journalists – knowing ( or is it hoping ) that these men could die as a result.

amarynth on May 14, 2021 · at 9:36 am EST/EDT

An interview with Vanessa Beeley with a historical perspective written underneath the video:

https://thewallwillfall.org/2021/05/14/what-is-happening-in-palestine-and-the-region-vanessa-beeley-interview-with-gordon-dimmack/

reante on May 14, 2021 · at 11:02 am EST/EDT

“Anomalous on May 14, 2021 · at 12:58 am EST/EDT
Belief in reincarnation is more Iron Age than New Age.

“They wish to inculcate this as one of their leading tenets, that souls do not become extinct, but pass after death from one body to another, and they think that men by this tenet are in a great degree excited to valour, the fear of death being disregarded.”
Julius Caesar’s commentary on Gallic wars

All of Europe was largely populated by humans moving east to west so in this sense you can say belief in reincarnation came from the east.”

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Anomalous. My personal definition of New Age is the age of civilization. You couldn’t have known that. That is why I said that the New Age is the anti-wholistic (animist) civil(ized) discourse.

So the New Age encompasses the Iron Age and its regional Celtic hegemonies headed up up by crooked druids.

The indus river valley civilization was the original source of imperial incarnation eschatology. Imperial news travels and, like you said in europe’s case, from east to west. Any claims by historians that animist peoples has reincarnation eschatologies are false and the result of the historian’s separate-self projecting his separation onto the animist. Animist cultural narratives surrounding life and death were not persona-based, they were fundamentalist, and the fundamentals were known to be symbiotic – the two fundamental symbionts in a holographic whole without halves.

There is no incarnation concept without a separate-self identity. The fundamental psychology of civilized man is the supremacism. Creation became his to unnecessarily lord over and stand above. Cultural anthropology has shown very clearly that this psychology arose in man due to severe ecological compaction caused by man failing to restrain his ability to psychologically separate himself from Creation. Ecological compaction is an anaerobic environment on the macro scale.

Aerobic macro (human) conditions are subsistence conditions. Subsistence is the natural order. This is an objective truth you can believe in, Dimitar, my brother. Anaerobic human conditions are extractive. Me me me me me!

thanks Analogous.

Anomalous on May 14, 2021 · at 12:16 pm EST/EDT

“There is no incarnation without a separate self identity”

This is not so, friend Reante. Both Hindu and Buddhist concepts of rebirth do not understand the soul or self to be separate from God / Mind.
Highest truth is beyond words and so I would not want to argue this point with anyone. With words one can reach only a level of truth. To understand absolute truth one must just see and know without dogmas.

It is also not correct that the belief in rebirth originated in the Indus Valley. There have been many ancient civilizations even more ancient.

Best wishes
- reante on May 14, 2021 · at 1:35 pm EST/EDT
  
  Thanks Anomalous. Sorry for getting your name wrong.
  
  The separate-self is not separate in relation to god, the separate-self is separate in relation to god’s creation. Take the sports saying, which is a play on words, as an analogy: “there is no I in team.” When we elevate self over the rest of creation we have separated ourself. And lo and behold, when the religious person prays/worships/meditates, they close their eyes and keep still in order to block out the hologram.
  
  The nonduality teachings of buddhism are the best example IMO of this religious orwellianism. Nonduality teachings are analogous to multicultural political teachings, which is to say that both present themselves as the opposite of what they actually are. Multiculturalism is homogenizing and nonduality is self-separating. They are the deepest of denials.
  
  Nothing can be directly known of god. Such a belief is sheer fantasy born of self-loathing. Why? Well, what is self-loathing’s classic mode of operation? To unjustly put others beneath you in order to unjustly elevate yourself, in order to sublimate the self-loathing.
  
  Separating the self from Creation inevitably results in a loathing of the separation. The separation is masochism after all. When we enter civilization are symbiotic being becomes extremely washed-out. The diversity of our microbiome, which is by far our greatest experience of Creatiin, more so even then eyes, drops precipitously. Diseases of civilization set in.
  
  In believing one is part of God with a capital G, or that one can know God with a capital G and, therefore, live vicariously through God, one is elevating oneself above all the other creatures which are now beneath you because they do not know God like you do. So you can start making all the decisions for them. You can farm them.
  
  There is no hierarchy of truth. Are truths are absolute. Once arrived at — with seeing and knowing, just as you say — all truths are simple.
  
  As to more ancient civilizations, the holographic (physical) evidence is insufficient, unless you’ve come across information I haven’t. But this is a minor point.

reante on May 14, 2021 · at 11:21 am EST/EDT

“I don’t like to correct grammar but it might be useful here to point out that “Not so friend Dimitar” and ” Not so, friend Dimitar” have different meanings. Hope this prevents any misunderstandings.
Best wishes”

Not so friend Anomalous. :D Both your examples have the same meaning. The example without the comma is more formal to be sure. For the different meaning that you implied there would need to be different punctuation than the comma. Most formally that would look like this: Not-so-friend Dimitar. Less formally: Not-so friend Dimitar. However, given the context of his comment, ?’s version could not have been mistaken for either of these.

reante on May 14, 2021 · at 11:54 am EST/EDT

reply to self: the example WITH the comma is more formal to be sure.

good thing I don’t believe in karma lol.

sorry to clog the thread.

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