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This is the week of the Summit of No Return. Biden and Putin meet in Geneva. Biden expects to come away a winner. Putin is meeting with the Americans to get a personal evaluation of the dementia-limited POTUS.
The US expects to humiliate the Russians because the US has no ability to make a deal, nothing to offer.
The big chess piece Biden wields is Ukraine’s admission to NATO.
If Ukraine is allowed to join NATO, armed conflict likely will break out in Ukraine. Russia cannot allow Ukraine to be used as a platform for missiles aimed at the Motherland.
Putin has indicated that NATO admission would be a likely redline.
The Russians have faint hope for the summit to result in anything positive.
Hereafter, the next time the two sides talk may be when NATO waves a white flag.
Yes. Larch was correct (again):
Putin conducted mental health check on Biden.
Was it Larch445 who prior to the summit said the reason the Russians had agreed to meet was so Putin could personally appraise Biden’s mental health? (Yes.)
Some post summit media seems to confirm.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/putin-says-biden-of-sound-mind-should-be-taken-seriously-2021-6?op=1&r=US&IR=T
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Putin says US press is unfair to paint Biden as ‘frail’
Vladimir Putin on Thursday praised the outcome of his summit with U.S. President Joe Biden, called him an astute and shrewd negotiator and criticized attempts in the press to try and characterize him as frail.
The Russian president, who hailed Biden as a highly experienced and constructive interlocutor at a news conference in Geneva, gave his backing to the U.S. leader on Thursday in a video call with graduates of a government management school.
Biden kept him on his guard with his savvy negotiating skills, Putin said.
‘He perfectly knows the matter,’ Putin said. ‘He is fully concentrated and knows what he wants to achieve.
And he does it very shrewdly.’
He dismissed what he described as media attempts to cast Biden as physically frail, noting that the 78-year-old U.S. president was in great shape even though the meeting wrapped up a European tour for him that included the G-7 and NATO summits.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9697695/Putin-praises-summit-result-calls-Biden-tough-negotiator.html
^(Source is excrement, but this piece is tolerable)
Also
https://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-says-biden-understood-130644207.html
Also,
Media completely missed the chess moves.
Biden calls Putin a killer.
Media: yeehaaa! Theme fightin words.
Will Putin say some nasty words in reply?
Boo hoo. No. He just (translated as) said “takes one to know one”.
Boring.
Hundreds of global chattering journo imbeciles completely oblivious that Putin’s reply was to recall the Russian Ambassador, and politely (but emphatically) send the US ambassador, tail between legs, back to Washington.
Biden then has to offer a “summit” to get the US ambassador back in Moscow in time to make trouble for the Russian elections.
Yes. Obvious outcome of summit is ambassadors back in their respective locations.
But it would not have been necessary if [Biden] had not goofed with his [their] (everything is scripted) needless insult.
Meantime the Russians have revisited the rule that embassy staff are on a 25km leash.
So no remote visits to Navalny cutouts. Everything has to happen in Moscow.
Check. Mate.
also notice w/out ‘provoking’ the world leaders, the white media has no fake news to report. where will they verify their existence then?
not to mention the power (bought by dirty money) and the money (from zero% printing press) will be all taken away…
they wont exist in real news…
bwbs
Putin lied, as he also lied about “the little green men” in Donbass.
We insult insult insult Putin and he just continue to be Mr. nice guy commending all what Biden is doing. This is what makes Americans so g– d… peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessed.
the extent of biden’s disintegration matches the west’s in terrible symmetry. we all pray putin, lavrov & in the background, xi, can guide the world through. many cartoons circulating now are showing biden nodding off @ best or urinating without knowing, we can hope this is all biden & handlers can manage. the meeting is frightening—we can hope putin/lavrov survive all ffs, & attempts, we can hope europe begins to follow its best interests. we can hope the world embraces a better world. unfortunately the west is so programmed it mayn’t be capable to.
Global context since May 1945. YT reference:
“Dark Journalist: Dr. Joseph Farrell Nazis In Space: Von Braun JFK And The UFO Invasion Op”
Some active 70 000 Nazi party members were released after WW2.
The ethic is very busy today, in the background, but in “plain sight” as it were.
okie lets get this right –
Why are people using cow dung and urine to treat COVID-19 in India?
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-06-12/Why-are-people-using-cow-dung-and-urine-to-treat-COVID-19-in-India–111NOAD3KyQ/index.html
p/s audio is broken just read the subtitles
I’ve posted this b4 and now… its up again!
Lets think this through – it much much much more and worth our discussion here!
… and we can take it in different directions, from health to political (and perhaps even to the deity)
dear Amarynth, you want to get the ball rolling and take a stab on the health side?
This is fascinating stuff I promise you!
Let’s hear what are your thoughts :)
be well be safe
p/s what if we could ‘cure’ c19 w cow dung and urine? or, if forced, will you choose cow dung and urine over vaxx? Consider that :)
Aargh, you want me to work. I’ll respond underneath Anonymous on June 15, 2021 · at 5:35 am EST/EDT
You may consider that piece real information.
The four necessary things for a human body are food, shelter, clothing and medicines when sick.
Since the time of the Buddha every monk who is ordained is told at his ordination that a monk should use as these four: alms food given when he goes with his bowl on alms round, living under a tree for shelter (except in rainy season),
making his robes from discarded cloth, and urine for medicine.
“This is fascinating stuff I promise you!”
Investigating what is, from a medical perspective, a non-event may, somehow, be thought of as fascinating but it is also a serious waste of time.
Fantastic news, bears are grinding the F22 into fine dust over time (add: 187 total planes, some have to butchered for the remaining active planes):
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-is-wearing-out-america-s-high-maintenance-f-22s-by-loitering-combat-jets-around-alaska
F35 is a flying melon with combat availability rates of 6-26%:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-f-35-isnt-ready-war-48312
How much is this program again? 1,5 Trillion $$$$ – Zumwalts with all cost divided by 3 hulls totaling 7-8 Billion $$$ getting into the range of aircraft carriers…aijajai – read somewhere with replacement rates of ships, the US could count itself lucky if it has ~290 ships in the 2050s. China is already fielding as much ships just on its front door and also building if I remember correctly 4 destroyers simultaneously just in one shipbuilding plant in Shanghai.
You could have renewed a significant part of your infrastructure with just all the failing programs alone.
The amount of energy wasted on this planet is in a league of its own.
UK is following its example….a whole new bunch of expensive tanks unuseable that are designed by USA…..
Yes, it’s incredible with how much low end bs its “allies” put up with. Almost useless patriots in SA, pre-beta test F35s in Israel… the really good time tested gear is sometimes 50+ year old technology (like A10, F15, F16, AH-64, SR-71, many ship classes etc.).
I prefer for a while to write anon for this one but what I say is from personal experience These are age old practices, Especially appreciated at the first urination of the cow. Put out your chapels if you wear them ,approach the cow with folded hands catch the urine and drink and wash your face. Even Mahatma Gandhi used cow urine. Cowdung was used for pasting it on the walls and flour is is a very good sanitizer. The smell is so refreshing. Panchagavya the 5 elements of the cow is still given as prasad in many temples. I took it daily at one time but my mind was not yet fully free from prejudice, there was each time a small hesitation. Even now i am not free I still have f prejudice especially against antibiotics and steroids etc. Even in Europe for digestive problems and loss of appetite we used to go to the cowsheds in the farms nearby and smell the fresh dung. In winter boys used to go to the cowsheds were cows were standing on a bed of stram and dung and urine and it used to be pleasantry warm inside and energy levels went up 10 fold.
Of course I am talking about cows not about the similar creatures of today high on big pharma. Now I use my own urine, this is also a traditional practice in the East foremost in India and China highly effective against prickle heat fungus between toes sunburn and it gives you a smooth and beautiful skin Are you listening ladies? There is a lot of info on urine therapy no need to mention anything further
I feel sad that you modern people have to miss all these natural wonders. Maybe in these times it could be given a change again
Panchagavya – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Panchagavya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MspxQpFLeY
Not sure about other ‘mothers’ but in Ireland it’s nothing to wash a wee ba’s face with a wet nappy. Well, at least it was before the days of the SJW. Out here in the hinterlands, chapped hands are common, espicially for farmers and woodsmen in winter. Common practice to help the cracked skin (hmm, not sure, maybe a bacterial infection) is to pee on them. My self, while walking in a small stream that flowed into the ocean I got some type of foot infection, blistering skin type thing, showed it to a doc and he said get some Uremol, which is made from horse urine……….so standing on the deck, peeing into the wind…….may have an upside……..:)
Cheers, M
As far as I recall, we were as boys advised to, as first aid, pee on a wound to clean it and wash out incipient or active infection…ROTC or BSA or somewhere some first aid class… That assumed that proper medical materials were not at hand. I think Steinbeck mentioned this cure in one of his nonPC and thus now obscure stories – a desperado good guy on the lam being hunted by the posse…
I think it’s probably ordinary knowledge in History and in nondisrupted customs everywhere.
Evaporated urine used to be a basic in the smithy, as the N (and whatnot) is used to harden iron and steels.
Then naturally there’s > Free money urine scene from Magic Christian blood urine poop
https://youtu.be/3Xg2v_T2XH8?list=PL7L_vk65Wz4MJFHVmFwSaMv39kgigKz1F
Uremol, which is made from horse urine
Saying that it is made up of horse urine is bit of a stretch, It may have constituents that are extracted from horse urine. Can you give me some link to back your claim?
No link … you can go look for that. it is Urea.
I could not find it out myself so I asked. Urea can be made artificially too. (https://www.chemistryscl.com/advancedlevel/industry/urea/main.html)
Uremol is not made anymore, back in the day Canada had a very large PMU industry, free horse pee, so there was no need to make it artificially….today docs prescribe hydrocortizone…..which didn’t work for me on the foot, but the Uremol did…..every body is different.
Cheers, M
OK, three aspects here (probably more but three is enough) – but this will be quick and rough.
These practices of drinking one’s own urine or using cow urine or cow dung are very well established in Ayurveda health systems. It is old and if you look at the word, the way I understand it, is Auveda .. A UVeda, i.e., it comes from the Vedas.
So, we need to know that this talks of a more ‘pure’ world, no toxins for the animals, grass-fed animals and the reverence that the Indians have for the cow. But that also is a specific cow – it is an old old type of humped cow, and the milk from that cow is differently constituted than the milk from a normal cow (this is actually true and not a story). I think the family is called Zebu and they look like what we know as Brahman cattle.
https://saveindiancows.org/indian-cows/
Take a look at the image, 3rd on the left hand side, titled Holy Indian Cow.
And then, one has to change your way of thinking about the body. Nowadays we think of urine as a dirty thing .. we call it in common language “the ick factor”. The kidneys filter out all kinds of toxins and we pee to get rid of those toxins.
There is another way to think of it. The kidneys filter out the excess nutrients – the ones that the body does not need, so the idea is that this human body is well nourished from the outset, and drinking the urine is a shot of pure additional nourishment. (A vitamin infusion if you like). If you go and take a look, in the old wars urine was used to replace lost blood from wounds.
So, from that perspective then it is a common Ayurvedic remedy to drink one’s own urine – not masses, catch it mid-stream and drink some. Its not dirty and icky. A lot of good results are reported. I have a friend that does this regularly during time that she takes alone for spiritual work, fasting, praying, and meditating. This is one of the methods that I think can cross easily from east to west.
So, now to the cows. So these remedies come from the Vedas and that was what was available to the people. And, these methods came from the Indian Humped Cow. Cow dung from healthy and grassfed cows smells lovely and is used for many many things. (Cows have more than one stomach, and it is very different from dung from pigs or chickens or birds or even human, where the feces is toxic – cow dung truly is only grass). To make a slurry to cover walls (it is a natural insect repellant), I’ve seen floors made of cow dung the same way as what one would make a rammed earth floor – again smells lovely and is durable and insect repellent. Today I buy cow dung to put into our compost because we don’t have cows. Without it, our compost is just lame!
So now remember the ‘insect repellent part’. Can you now understand why the practitioners of users of the Ayuverdic health system may believe that it can cure or at least give some protection against Covid-19? It would stand to reason in those climes and the historical reverence for cows. But I think it may be a localized remedy and would not cross easily from east to west.
I don’t know any of the Chinese methodologies here, but I understand some of the Ayuverdic part.
Good enough backgrounder for you sir ?
when I was 7 or 8 a missionary who was in China mainland came to our house. . once he was on the verge of death he told us that his life was saved by some of his Chinese followers by making him drink his own urine
Thank you for your reply. good read.
It seems its abit too hard to get through…
Something to do w the weather changing or climate change policy maybe?
‘Whatever else’ that is coming… msg received?!
… you take care there. wont try again.
be well be safe
panchagavya is a beautiful thing, religious associations notwithstanding. it’s a fermented compost tea. a microbial digestor. a microcosm unto itself. a nutritional grounding.
the dung is a protozoa mash because the protein source of the ‘grassfed’ cow diet is the protozoa, which is a tiny little meatbag with the full complement of amino acids. that’s right, ruminants are not vegetarians, they simply use vegetative matter as an indirect feedstock for non-vegetative nutrition.
the cow diet is a high protozoa protein, high short chain fatty acids (SCFA) diets. these two macronutrients make up the vast majority of the macronutrient profile of the cow, sheep, goat, llama, etc.
the grass is a feedstock for the several microbial factories in the cow.
the rumen is a bacterial fermentation of the grass. this fermentation becomes the cud that is chewed and refermented, then chewed again, and then sent to the protozoa vat where the protozoa eat the bacteria. the rumen grows bacteria for the protozoa. the protozoa, as in the soil of the earth, are the great mineralizers of life. protozoa are how the plant and vegetable kingdoms assimilate the minerals from rock. the bacteria and fungi wear and eat the rock through chemical processes (conscious will) but this form of mineral is not available to plants and animals. these unavailable minerals must be mineralized (made bioavailable) by the protozoa. the protozoa are the (micro)nutrient cyclers of Life.
in the cow’s protozoa vat the protozoa eat the trillions of bacteria that have eaten the bacteria-digestible parts of the grasses back in the rumen, that themselves, the grasses ate, when they were alive, plant-available nutrients in the form of microarthropod poop which is excess dead, digested protozoa. as above so below.
the protozoa, feeding on the bacteria, grow by the trillions, and become the meat source of the cow’s diet. the protozoa then move to a ‘true’ stomach in the cow that is the same as our stomach, which is primarily for digesting animal foods, with acids. in the true stomach the cow liquefies the trillions of protozoa with the acids. the mash then continues through the small intestine where the protozoa minerals, vitamins and proteins get absorbed into the bloodstream of the cow, just as are our human animal nutrients are absorbed.
the grass mash then enters the colon for the digestion of the other main macronutrient, SCFA, just as in humans the leafy greens are digested: the resident bacterial families of the colon, different in function from those in the rumen, eat the fiber component of the grass and metabolize it into SCFAs. these SCFAs are excreted by the bacteria and absorbed directly into the cow’s (and ours) bloodstream. SCFAs are a wonderful, clean, slow-burning fuel that digest quickly in humans, and are excellent for sleeping on, and this is why it is good practice to eat a large salad with your early dinner.
it is a little known fact that humans can get about 20pc of their energy needs from, say, lettuces. we do so indirectly through our symbiotic bacteria. all non-ruminant birds and animals except for the carnivores do so. if you notice the chickens on your pasture, they naturally eat a smaller amount of feed for dinner and a larger amount of grass. cow’s, however get almost all of their fuel-burning calories from SCFAs. if you look at a fresh cow pat that has been rained on, you see a rainbow-colored oil slick. you also see oil slicks running away from barnyards in winter.
the cow digestion (Life) is not 100pc efficient so the cow dung has lots of protozoa and short-chain fat in it, as well as undigested grasses, which are excellent feedstocks for compost tea.
the urine as amarynth mentioned provide more nutrients and metabolites. the milk is a whole food for the tea, the sugars in the milk reestablish the bacterial population at the base of the compost tea foodweb. the milk fat, an animal fat, as well as the ghee, are for making bioavailable to animals the minerals in the protozoa.
there are still many living protozoa in the cow dung. the hardcore survivors. who knows, maybe they just got lucky. the milk sugars in the panchagavya restore the bacterial populations so that the protozoa survivors can repopulate. the repopulated protozoa live and die at a rapid rate and the dead one release their vitamins and minerals into the tea as they decompose. these minerals are available to plants but not to humans, very much anyway. for humans, many vitamins and minerals are animal-fat-soluble which means that animal fats must be present during digestion in order for these micronutrients to be bioavailable to us. vegans take note. the ghee, which is an extremely valuable, high-labor product of the home economy, is put into the panchagavya to make sure that the fat-soluble micronutrients are not wasted because these nutrients are the difference between a robust health and disease.
the lumpy cultured milk is for more microbial diversity. there are redundancies built in to the recipe. and numerology apparently. whatever floats their boat.
if it was me I would stir the brew several times a day. before stirring I would gently plunge the brew, downwards, with the palm of my hand. that will introduce more oxygen into the brew than stirring. the sitting is for structuring the water of the brew.
bottoms up y’all.
What a marvellous array of detailed information from all the commenters above.
Everyone brings something different, another view, more related knowledge>
It is very good to have the sense of devotion with the divine, that is generally regarded as being a bit sissy for men to express, but it is what is missing in our world in relation to healing and nutrition, and so much else.
One doesn’t need to say it, but have it as an informing background; that makes a lot of difference to the reader.
Life is precious, everyone here feels and knows that, and thanks anonymous for bringing the subject with devotion-sense of one kind. I don’t and won’t drink urine, though I have heard of the benefits before !
This audio podcast covers many salient concerns held within USA “polite” society.
The language is somewhat profane, but the issues are sincerely discussed and revealed.
https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/thomaspaine?selected=TPM1236561394
Back in the day, we did not discuss drinking urine.
We did, however, challenge the “establishment”, and we did have some success.
Even Mahatma Gandhi used cow urine.
If you are using this as an argument that if Gandhi did it so one should too, then you should know that:
>He slept naked on the same bed with his grand-niece to test his control over sexual urges, since he had renounced sexual relationships.(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264952/A-new-book-reveals-Gandhi-tortured-young-women-worshipped-shared-bed.html)
>He also had discriminatory attitude towards africans(source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/03/what-did-mahatma-gandhi-think-of-black-people/)
approach the cow with folded hands catch the urine and drink and wash your face.
>Cow urine doesn’t have any health benifit, according to researchers (https://www.mensxp.com/special-features/features/73289-scientists-say-cow-urine-has-zero-health-benefits-that-sounds-like-bad-news-for-indian-govt.html)
>Even Indian scientists disagree (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/indian-scientists-decry-infuriating-scheme-study-benefits-cow-dung-urine-and-milk)
Cowdung was used for pasting it on the walls and flour is is a very good sanitizer.
>”Scientifically, cow dung and cow urine are excreta from an animal’s (mammals) body, which is being thrown out. Unlikely to have any benefit to another mammal, such as human beings. There are no scientific studies or evidence to show that cow urine or cow dung has antiseptic properties. It is not going to help us with any infection, including coronavirus. Comments like these only add to the unscientific and irrational information that is spread,” Dr Ray said.
(source: https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/mp-min-claims-cow-dung-havan-can-sanitise-homes-fact-check#read-more)
> If you are refering to burning of cowdung as a sanitizer, then quoting the same article:
“The burning of biomass in the developing world for heating and cooking results in high indoor particle concentrations. Long-term exposure to airborne particulate matter (PM) has been associated with increased rates of acute respiratory infections, chronic obstructive lung disease and cancer,” the study said.
>Use of cowdung can actually facilitates the spreading of diseases. Quoting the indian medical association:
“The Indian Medical Association said neither cow dung nor cow urine were legitimate COVID-19 treatments, and their use in this way risked spreading other diseases.”
(source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-16/india-covid-19-cow-dung-fake-remedies-alternative-medicine/100132838)
>Even worse, Medics think that there are chances that cow dung may cause mucormycosis(a disease that eats away body parts) in covid19 patients.
(Source1: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indias-doctors-warn-against-using-cow-dung-to-ward-off-coronavirus-amid-rise-in-deadly-black-fungus-12303329
Source2: https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/fact-check-cow-dung-cant-cure-covid-19-may-cause-black-fungal-infection-7314872/)
>Additionally, cow dung can cause foot and mouth disease
(Source: https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/americas/us-customs-destroy-cow-dung-cakes-found-in-baggage-of-indian-passenger)
I would not encourage you on this one, since cowdung on the floor can make it slippery and will render the floor unusable for walking, which in my opinion is it’s primary purpose.
The smell is so refreshing.
People who are considered sane call this odor a stench.
Even in Europe for digestive problems and loss of appetite we used to go to the cowsheds in the farms nearby and smell the fresh dung. In winter boys used to go to the cowsheds were cows were standing on a bed of stram and dung and urine and it used to be pleasantry warm inside and energy levels went up 10 fold.
I am interested in knowing which European country you are talking about.
Now I use my own urine, this is also a traditional practice in the East foremost in India and China highly effective against prickle heat fungus between toes sunburn and it gives you a smooth and beautiful skin
Quoting from the article, “Although it’s initially sterile, urine left outside of the body for an extended period of time can easily grow bacteria, the JCAD study states. If consumed or rubbed on the skin, the bacteria in urine could expose you to an infection.”
(Source: https://www.health.com/mind-body/woman-drinks-urine-for-health)
I prefer for a while to write anon for this one
I must say that you took the right decision. With views like these, it’s better to adopt an anon pseudonym.
Parabellum,
Wow … you have no relationship to farms or to cows or to traditional Indian healing methods or traditional building methods.
But the thing is, this has been explained in this long list of posts.
Floors – haahaaaaa ….. no, they are not slippery. What are you talking about? Take a look at rammed earth floors and other natural building methods. They are literally beautiful and have an ‘essence’ about them.
http://www.varunthautam.com/2019/07/earthen-floors/
Yes, cow dung from healthy cows smells fresh and almost like a mowed lawn. I know, as I grew up on farms, meat and milk business.
No, anything about Gandhi from the English is probably complete nonsense. There are lots of stories about him. Yet, he did what he set out to do and carried the reverence of many.
Western science cannot spell Indian traditional medicine. I was glad to see that it is undergoing a new renaissance and they are encouraging new schools and keeping the traditions alive. Of course, the scientists who had never seen a farm and would not be able to distinguish a cow from a water buffalo, have much to say.
Enough. Why do I bother? Because of the traditional medicine aspect. These are valid methods.
you have no relationship to farms or to cows
what is the basis of your argument?
But the thing is, this has been explained in this long list of posts.
Which have been proved as ineffective, this has been explained in my main comment.
Floors – haahaaaaa ….. no, they are not slippery. What are you talking about? Take a look at rammed earth floors and other natural building methods. They are literally beautiful and have an ‘essence’ about them.
Most people would consider the application of cow dung on the floor as making it more dirty, rather than having any cleansing effect.
Yes, cow dung from healthy cows smells fresh and almost like a mowed lawn. I know, as I grew up on farms, meat and milk business.
>”Take ammonia, for example. It’s a mixture of nitrogen and hydrogen and a common metabolic byproduct found in animal urine and feces (collectively called manure). When it escapes from manure, gaseous ammonia has a distinctive chemical odor, sometimes compared to bleach or chlorine. It’s a smell that might be widely, if not universally, perceived as unpleasant.”(https://wiscontext.org/whose-manure-smells-worse-cows-pigs-or-poultry)
No, anything about Gandhi from the English is probably complete nonsense.
His ‘experiments’ are not disputed by anyone and the primary sources are Indians, including his autobiography, ‘The Story of My Experiments with Truth’.
Western science cannot spell Indian traditional medicine
No doubt Indian science is light years ahead.
I was glad to see that it is undergoing a new renaissance and they are encouraging new schools and keeping the traditions alive.
It has always been encouraging, though they keep out the quackery aspect which this thread is riddled with.
the scientists who had never seen a farm and would not be able to distinguish a cow from a water buffalo
Far fetched claim, any proof?
Because of the traditional medicine aspect. These are valid methods.
Scientists and researchers don’t doubt the validity of traditional remedies that work, after through examination and research about their efficacy
Aaagh …. geez – because you give me links out of mainstream media and out of science mags. These people do not farm and neither are they alternative medical practitioners and nor are they interested in sustainable building techniques. That’s why. You may be ‘most people’, but I am not. And neither are those I grew up with, or those that live around me today. We are not ‘most people’.
But, here is something that may help.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/Indias-Newest-Internet-Sensation-Cow-Dung-Patties-180957650/
I’m done sir, forgive me, it’s not worth it. But perhaps Lakshmi will spark something from the ‘most people’.
https://www.davidgodman.org/lakshmi-the-cow/
(No souls harmed and no scientist involvement).
because you give me links out of mainstream media and out of science mags.
Links were given to spare me the hassles of explaining and stretching the comment. The links were not just given to win internet brownie points but the relevant content within the links was also quoted. In addition to the that, the links are from reliable sources. A lot of research has been done and published regarding the authenticity of traditional medicine, the link contain the distilled form of it.
These people do not farm
If farming was helpful in understanding the working of the universe, farmers would already have started farming on the Mars by now.
neither are they alternative medical practitioners
There is a reason why they are not, because much of the claims don’t hold up when subjected to rigorous tests and trials.
If ‘alternative medicine’ was so promising, there would have been some cure for major of the life threatening diseases.
I actually met these 2 nieces. Very nice people.
first read something about urine therapy and then comment it would avoid you writing some absurdities
I actually met these 2 nieces. Very nice people.
I didn’t mention that there were two nieces with whom gandhi slept naked to test his control. But good thing you did. Being nice in personality doesn’t absolve them from what they did.
first read something about urine therapy and then comment it would avoid you writing some absurdities
I have read about it, that is why I am able to reply to your points. How about you take your own advice on reading and actually read some reliable research to distinguish between truth and falsehood
Parabellum would you care to expand on your thinking about farming and Mars? As as a farmer who believes he has learned much about ‘the universe’ from biological farming, I’d be interested to know why I might be mistaken about that and where else I might, from direct experience, learn about the universe.
Also, please see my misplaced reply to you a little ways below.
because you give me links out of mainstream media and out of science mags. These people do not farm and neither are they alternative medical practitioners and nor are they interested in sustainable building techniques.
This comment means that the commentator does not hold the researchers and scientists in high regards and does not trust the research done by them to invalidate quack culture. This means that the commentator considers the farmers to be much better than the scientists and researchers in understanding the working of the universe. If they are better than the researchers, they certainly should have demonstrated they skills in one of the hottest areas of research, farming on mars, which is a farmer’s own occupation.
where else I might, from direct experience, learn about the universe.
High impact Journals and good books on the topics authored by renowned authors
Parabellum, you’re putting up a hell of a show here. But here … “I did not mention that there were two nieces ….”
Oh man, it’s too hard to explain – excepting it is sentences like that that make your whole presentation fall into a hole and the ones who have studied this, know … There goes book-learning … There goes internet searches.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pimu/1356204660
Bear in mind if you interact with him, he may well report that as a ‘contact’ or whatever language they use in his specific basement, and make a few bucks on your (and the Saker site) back. Let’s not do that too much.
Wise words
Go back to my original post, this is what I stated:
He slept naked on the same bed with his grand-niece to test his control over sexual urges, since he had renounced sexual relationships.
The comment contains a singular grand-niece
The reply from the commentator is:
I actually met these 2 nieces. Very nice people.
Which is plural and has the specified quantity of 2
Hence my reply,
I didn’t mention that there were two nieces with whom gandhi slept naked to test his control. But good thing you did.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pimu/1356204660
it’s good to see you affirming the fact of gandhi sleeping naked with his nieces by providing the link.
excepting it is sentences like that that make your whole presentation fall into a hole and the ones who have studied this, know … There goes book-learning … There goes internet searches.
I think this statements perfectly fit’s you. Because the link to the photo that you provided doesn’t have his nieces. Unfortunately for you, one of them is a grand niece. Links like that make your whole presentation fall into a hole and the ones who have studies this, know there goes internet searches….there goes book-learning
Getting just too much.
Parabellum on June 16, 2021 · at 9:11 pm EST/EDT
Go back to my original post, this is what I stated:
He slept naked on the same bed with his grand-niece to test his control over sexual urges, since he had renounced sexual relationships.
And that you give as support an English reporter writing a hit piece on Gandi in an English MSM rag. And you want me to accept that?
Well, I don’t, so the rest of what you say falls into a heap as well if you have an inkling of logic and the use of logic. It seems you have no knowledge of what the political situation was at the time, what Gandhi’s role was, what the British role was (the killing of Gandhi was almost certainly planned, and he was almost certainly executed – under the ‘lone nutcase’ theory).
And then, if Gandhi slept next to one niece or two nieces has no significance. He did not diddle with them, did he? It is not a sin to recognize that one has a sexual drive. Thank heavens for that otherwise he would not have accomplished what he did.
If Gandhi followed the practices of his specific indigenous thousand-year-old health practices, what of it?
And we get the use of your word ‘quack’. Now, perhaps you do not know the word and how it is used. I do – very well. And I am a proud quack in the definition of the woke. What of it?
This series of blamestorming and virtue signaling in the name of science is meaningless in today’s environment where we see on two levels exactly how bloody meaningless it is (climate and virus). And yes, farmers in the main are much more important to our lives and our wellbeing than scientists taken in the big scheme of things. Scientists generally work for recognition, with no clear idea of what the eventual outcomes will be of their concoctions and mainly, they do not care. (And then I don’t subscribe to Big Ag, which we call Big Agro). And I’m fully aligned with the farmers in India that know exactly what the new laws will do to their art. What of it?
You like scientists? Eat out of the lab then, and your innards will slowly rot up like those of factory-farmed animals fed on registered GMO corn and grains soaked with pesticides and herbicides grown in soil that is soaked with chemical growth hormonal fertilizers, where grain does not even form part of their natural diet or food. Go and do a search or two. (Thanks scientists, for GMO’s, and thanks to scientists for the practices of factory farming, and laboratory animal tests, and so on /end sarc. The latest is avocados – they’re gmo’ing one of my most favorite foods these sob scientists!).
It is clear that there is a large part of this world that follows practices that you don’t know about and therefore reject out of hand, for some spectral scientist god. The problem is not that someone does not know, the problem is that someone does not recognize that he does not know and you are arguing for the sake of arguing on issues that are meaningless for real health and freedom from slavery, of humankind.
And that you give as support an English reporter writing a hit piece on Gandi in an English MSM rag. And you want me to accept that? Well, I don’t, so the rest of what you say falls into a heap as well if you have an inkling of logic and the use of logic.
The ‘hit piece’ contains review of the book, Gandhi: naked ambition. The book is written Jad Adams, who is also a historian.
If you want an ethnic indian historian to state the fact, here it is,
“The founder of the Indo-British Heritage Trust…Dr Kusoom Vadgama… said Gandhi’s “habit of sleeping naked with young women” in order to test his commitment to a life of celibacy had been overlooked in the years since his death in 1948, but can no longer be ignored.”
(https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ghandi-slept-grandniece-historian-tells-uk-government-1460499)
It seems you have no knowledge of what the political situation was at the time,
Which political condition led him to perform his infamous ‘experiments’?
what Gandhi’s role was, what the British role was (the killing of Gandhi was almost certainly planned, and he was almost certainly executed – under the ‘lone nutcase’ theory).
How is this relevant to the discussion involving gandhi’s ‘experiments’ or the main discussion of cow and human excreta consumption.
And then, if Gandhi slept next to one niece or two nieces has no significance. He did not diddle with them, did he?
The details of his ‘experiment’ are:
>they was nudity involved
>he was testing his capacity to resist sex
He had a wife, he could have done his ‘experiments’ with her.
It is not a sin to recognize that one has a sexual drive.
“I have warned you about external factors that harm the life of a brahmachari, but the biggest threat or danger comes from your own mind and impulses. Ruthlessly cut off all overt or oblique thoughts of sex when they rise in your mind.”(Source: https://ocoy.org/original-yoga/twelve-pointers-for-maintaining-brahmacharya/)
Gandhi was a brahmachari, plus it involved his grand-niece
Thank heavens for that otherwise he would not have accomplished what he did.
So his ‘experiments’ were the reasons for his accomplishments?
If Gandhi followed the practices of his specific indigenous thousand-year-old health practices, what of it?
My original reply had a list of potential problems that can be caused by the consumption of cow urine and dung.
The rest of your comment strays away from the primary topic involving gandhi, consumption of cow urine/dung and urine therapy.
Parabellum,
I agree with you that there are potential problems that can be caused by the consumption of cow urine and dung. to be sure, brother.
I also agree with you about gandhi. he was a selfish and self-important man.
the whole mars business is a joke. it’s just more self-important rats trying to flee a sinking ship. or it’s just a confidence trick in the name of Progress. anybody who can think knows that you can’t farm Mars. all you can do is try and simulate earth conditions on Mars.
let’s do earth on mars, guys! whaddya think about that?!
LOL
I also agree with you about gandhi. he was a selfish and self-important man.
I did not imply this, this is your own sentence. The example of gandhi was given to show in my original comment that gandhi carrying an act did not make the act right, because gandhi himself practiced certain things that are not right. It was not meant to reduce his role in the Indian freedom struggle and his concept of non-violence to fight against the injustices of the british empire and for self rule.
We are standing in the middle of WW3 and the planets enslavement, and you guys are making a pissing contest about cow dung. I think I will never understand the sheeple.
“I think I will never understand the sheeple.”
Tomsen,
just replace:
“All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked”
with
“All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked by an imaginary virus
In Goering’s quote below and they are very easy to understand:
https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2018/02/how-people-can-be-brought-around-support-war-incite-fear-attack/
Quote
Gilbert asked Goering how it was possible to build and sustain public support for a war effort, especially in Germany, which had barely recovered from the still recent disaster of World War I.
Here’s Goering’s reply:
“Why, of course, the people don’t want war,” Goering shrugged. “Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.
“But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.”
“There is one difference,” [Gilbert] pointed out. “In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.”
“Oh, that is all well and good, [replied Goering] but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
End Quote
Yesterday, the “hal turner radio show” reported, it seems, prohibited information…including prior knowledge of bigbig crime…and he was mentioned at Cafe… the result was a DOS shutdown…his response was to make the audio of that show free for all…of course he’s also on HF radio…
https://s3.amazonaws.com/archives.halturnershow.com/HTRS-06-14-2021.mp3
Later
P
Mr P
Thanks, Tuppence asked for the link, which you’ve kindly provided.
Tuppence, this is the original site, some of it subscribers only
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/
I was sent the video by a pal, and of course no way of verifying her truthfulness. But there was something chilling in it.
Btw Tuppence I’ve warned all my friends and family to have 2 months worth of canned, dried food, and bottled water, proper first aid kit. But all of them laugh at me….
I believe Finnish, Swedish, Czech and some other EU govt sent leaflets to every household 2 or 3 years ago, warning everyone to have a month’s worth of food/water in preparation for any potential national crisis. I wonder if they laughed too.
We’ve had enough warnings, what’s been happening was unimaginable 2 yrs ago, and I’m sure they’ve going to push us to the edge, and maybe over. I only wish I didn’t live in city.
Well, people lived through Stalingrad…remember, in combat, if you heard the shot you were not the target (usually) and if you’re not being shot at, it’s because they have not seen you. Hunker deep.
A book on shortwave theory and practice…see ARRL and of course old obsolete editions are more or less free…solar charge for shortwave radio and wire for antenna, water, bleach, the whole drill. If you keep a gun, don’t wave it ’round or speak of it. An aluminum baseball bat, however…or a very sharp knife and plenty of resolve… Hiding is best.
There are very cheap Chinese handitalkies…if you transmit, they know your position, but these will scan the vhf and uhf bands…you hear stuff and do not give away position. https://youtu.be/hoEVPtVk9nE (Tom Lehrer sings at the piano…)
Oh Parabellum. All the cool kids are taking poop pills these days dude. And the germ theory establishment is bowing down to the Terrain.
https://youtu.be/C-9NZbR3OUA
Well, if Modi has his way and reforms the farming sector to be more in line with western chemical processes, they will stop eating dung pills when the boys start growing boobs and the girls stand up to pee…….:)
Cheers, M
btw, really enjoyed the read on cow digestion, altough I still favor horse manure tea and straight horse manure for my garden. Oh, and how it grows…….
Thanks sean. I have a good female farming friend who feels like she is 60/40 male-to-female. she just seems like a tomboy to me. She grew up on a grass seed farm which have notoriously high herbicide applications so we can know that in all likelihood the placenta in which she was born was suffering from major endocrine disruption. She has this molded plastic device that she keeps strapped to her hip, that enables her to pee forwards standing up, like a man. She’s cool she makes and sells cloth menstrual pads on the side.
Horse manure, nice. I know people love it never used it ourselves. We do collect the ready to use llama dung from our livestock guardian’s toilets, which vaguely offends her lol. And compost the sheep and goat bedding but need to improve that operation.
cheers.
@renate, I make compost at work for our commercial garden, a mere two acre plot but all the food is planted and harvested by volunteers and goes to local charities, some sold for funds matched by other charities, for charity of course. Before my auld fella passed he always praised horse manure tea, he feed it to his ‘tea roses’, a Brit thing I think but he swore by it, I’d think lama dung to be a close equivilant. But the secret to making any really good compost are dried tree leaves, something to do with mold and breaking down vegitable matter……..don’t know the science, but it sure does work.
Cheers, M
that’s really great, sean. good for you guys. yeah it’s important to get your browns into the compost mix like leaves and woody matter, to get those fungal populations going which are what build so much of the soil structure and also the communications network. so below are the old tentacles at work.
oh yes sean more to your point the browns raise the carbon to nitrogen ratio needed to get the biology going and generating heat above what just the high-nitrogen greens can provide. a C:N ratio of 25:1 to 30:1 is what they say is ideal for getting the hot compost cranking.
I think you missed the thread, this is the wrong one. the discussion is on the one above. I don’t doubt your intentions though and fully believe that it was a mistake on your part to comment on the wrong thread.
Oh Parabellum. All the cool kids are taking poop pills these days dude. And the germ theory establishment is bowing down to the Terrain.
Coming to the point, this isn’t traditional medicine. Also, I did not deny that fecal matter is used in modern medicine, like in this one, where donor stool is used to restore the bacteria in the recipient’s intestines. But this treatment is for those suffering from the said condition, the consumption of fecal matter extract isn’t oral and the validity of the procedure is well established through research. A whole lot of human body made products are used in treatment and research, stool is no exception. What you are peddling is a continuous lifetime oral consumption of fecal matter, including that of a bovine, apart from making rituals around the practice.
Parabellum, thanks, appreciated all.
Parabellum, i’m not peddling anything. Fecal matter is a living biological media. Panchagavya is a hardcore traditional cultured smoothie. Obviously it’s not for the faint of heart.
Cannibalism was also a hardcore traditional practice for many primitive tribes. The dead body is also a host for some time to the living biological media. I bet they also had some recipes to make a cultured smoothie out of it. It is also not for the faint of heart. I wonder if you approve it it too.
Parabellum,
Cannibalism was not a hardcore traditional practice for many primitive tribes. Structurally that wouldn’t have been possible. Show me the anthropological evidence. Structural cannibalism has only ever been known in hierarchical societies that practiced expansionary warfare and were suffering from animal protein deficiencies. You cannot include meat in a compost tea. Blood but not meat.
Don’t forget that as the animals they are, women have always eaten their own placentas. Nowadays, of course, for the faint of heart, the women send their placentas to a business to be ground up and freeze dried and turned into pill form lol.
Cannibalism was not a hardcore traditional practice for many primitive tribes. Structurally that wouldn’t have been possible. Show me the anthropological evidence. Structural cannibalism has only ever been known in hierarchical societies that practiced expansionary warfare and were suffering from animal protein deficiencies.
The aghoris(a sect of hinduism) live in almost primitive conditions(as they have given up the world) and also consume human flesh. (source: https://edtimes.in/cannibalism-aghori-tribe/)
You cannot include meat in a compost tea. Blood but not meat.
I think this you wrote is in context of hardcore traditional cultured smoothie. Meat is not the only body part of an animal
>Here is a meat smoothie recipe (https://www.myrecipes.com/extracrispy/this-smoothie-contains-meat).
>The Indonesians have a delicious bone marrow soup called the Tulang Merah (made from mutton bones).
Parabellum,
Thinking is important.
This group of hardcore stoners you linked to that practices cannibalism is not a pre-agricultural tribe practicing subsistence living. And they are not primitive. They are a highly unusual modern, parasitic subculture that lives in part off niche food calories. A niche for which there’s little human competition. Good for them.
Bone broth added to smoothies is not what I’m talking about when I say you don’t add meat to panchagavya.
A quality bone broth BTW is a far more powerful nutritional grounding than panchagavya. Panchagavya is just making the best out of a low-quality, religious paradigm that values quantity over quality because that paradigm confers power onto the elites.
This group of hardcore stoners
Hinduism would disagree linking one of it’s sect with hardcore stoners
This group … you linked to that practices cannibalism is not a pre-agricultural tribe practicing subsistence living.
Aghoris consider a hindu god called shiva to be the first and the greatest aghori. Which means that they are as old as shiva.
And they are not primitive. They are a highly unusual modern
>they consume human remains as food to sustain themselves
>they don’t have a shelter or permanent residence
>they usually don’t clothe themselves and choose to be naked
>they have many things including dishes made of human remains
>Being modern contradicts with they belief and practices
The example of aghoris was given to show the practice of cannibalism in
>a group that does not engage in warfare
>a society that can easily acquire animal food protein
It was a reply to your “Structural cannibalism has only ever been known in hierarchical societies that practiced expansionary warfare and were suffering from animal protein deficiencies. ” comment
Bone broth added to smoothies is not what I’m talking about when I say you don’t add meat to panchagavya.
I could not understand the context of this comment “You cannot include meat in a compost tea. Blood but not meat” in your original reply, because I never claimed that one could include meat in a compost tea. The only sense I could make of this sentence is that it was your reply to my “I bet they also had some recipes to make a cultured smoothie out of it.” comment. This is the reason I also wrote “I think this you wrote is in context of hardcore traditional cultured smoothie” in my reply.
“Thinking is important”
Parabellum, by structural I mean as made common practice by an independent culture. These aghoris are an Indian subculture therefore they don’t have any formal structuralism in the anthropological sense. If you want to continue the conversation would you please reply in the current thread because I’m probably not going to check this one again. Thanks.
The WHMU also oversees the mobile medical suite aboard Air Force One and Air Force Two. Air Force One contains a full surgical suite with operating table, two beds, resuscitation equipment, various medical monitors, and a full pharmacy.[3][4] Air Force Two contains a first aid unit as well as an automated external defibrillator, oxygen tanks, and limited pharmaceuticals. The WHMU also establishes temporary emergency medical facilities as needed to support presidential or vice presidential trips. These usually consist of an eight-member intensive care and surgical team, and a temporary operating room at each stop. WHMU staff may also carry operating room equipment in backpacks to provide emergency medical care as needed on-site when the temporary operating room is too distant.[3] When the President travels overseas, an advance medical team travel ahead of Air Force One to set up its medical facilities days in advance. This way, a fully rested medical team is available to assist the President upon arrival and take over from the team which traveled aboard the presidential aircraft.[5] A physician and nurse also travel with presidential motorcades. They are strategically positioned so as to be close enough to respond to an emergency but far enough away to minimize the likelihood of being caught in the event.[5][2]
From wikipedia re White House Medical Unit.
In making a comment, especially on major current topics, if has been noted that a response has been made to the effect that the poster has formulated a question, when there was none ! That is funny, one rereads ones comment, or someone else’s, and double checks, and sure enough there was no question !
Following this, assumptions are made without actually understanding the comment in the first place, oh dear ! Beware of those who know everything, they must be watched and followed carefully … Only messing, fabulous quality commentary and more here, don’t worry ; )
Mockingbird always telegraphs to the astute what it is the birdie wants the herd to think…
Washingtonpostbird announces today> “Biden will give Putin a list of demands. What happens if the Russian leader ignores them?”
Some may intuit that the birdie designs to mousetrap the senile guy into direct conflict with bear…it’s a long propaganda essay that struggles to massage the reader with vapor and manure.
Making demands and Ultimatum seems to have identical semantic value, and thus are considered prelude to direct hostilities…
Pretty clear that birdie wants war… Birdie needs mental health assist, maybe stop using PCP.
Seriously, it’s normal for empires to “ask their enemies” for “help” is dispelling the Imperial Delusion.
ie lose a major war. Essentially, seen classically, “Sam” is “asking” “Ivan” for “help” – rather as the previous nazi regime did. Slow learners? No. Simply caught in zuswang. Bummer Dude!
that this place persists despite the moderation is a testament to life itself. that the moderation exists to spite the life well I guess that’s just part for the course isn’t it. moderation wins again.
Mr P when the bully gets beat he was really just wanting to hit rock bottom without realizing it. if birdie is deciding to go with a fake hot war carefully orchestrated by birdie, it would bring the next leg down, which would mask any vaxx die-off that may be coming, and I would guess create the pretext in the USA for a military coup due to the military claiming gross negligence on the part of the administration, a well reasoned argument to be sure, with at least half the country already considering it a junta. the political character of the new military regime would in my mind best be called national socialist. they will probably hold ‘elections’ and a tulsi gabbard type leader in a putinesque mold will lead. this would be excellent management of the ongoing predicament on the global people farm.
reate, just a comment as I’ve been dealing with other things like this today.
“that this place persists despite the moderation is a testament to life itself. that the moderation exists to spite the life well I guess that’s just part for the course isn’t it. moderation wins again.”
Moderation will always win and so they should and I don’t moderate. In fact, most of the rules I hate but, they are necessary.
My usual sermon:
You are in The Saker’s House. You are not in your own house. If you don’t like what is happening here, either accept it or go somewhere else. You carry no responsibility here for the continuance of the Saker’s Blog, hence you have nothing to say. The mods owe you nothing – they keep the site clean, mostly accurately, and sometimes they error as they as human. And that is fine.
End of sermon.
Can we close down this conversation about moderation. If you have an issue reante, please email the head of moderation. It breaks site rule number:
“2) All comment have to be courteous to me, the blog’s author, moderators, any guest author and all the other commentators. You are welcome to criticize and even attack ideas, but not people…..”
The MFC has to follow site rules too. Thanks. Mod.
To Mod and everybody.
Always respect the Mod whomever they are, as you cannot know whether the site is exposed to threats, fines, new rules, vulnerable people, something jeopardizing the owner or author, or simple errors we all do.
If someone dont like to be moderated at some site, leave! Just find another place where you belong. There are hundreds maybe thousands of other sites with good info..
We out here are not as important as we think and sites are not our personal democracy or property.
Everybody – can we shut down this conversation now. Thanks. Mod.
We out here are not as important as we think ….. That is very true… Or perhaps one could better say, we are all born equal, live as all being important, and die, taking nothing but who we are.
And afterward to reante, your comments are valued, please stay around !
Tuppence
Thanks again big T.
sorry I missed out on your recent line of thought while in quarantine. are you familiar with endosymbiosis?
https://microbiologysociety.org/publication/past-issues/archaea/article/the-symbiosis-that-changed-the-world.html
this is one of the fundamental reasons why we should eschew all forms of antibiotics. our mitochondria are not human, they are bacterial symbionts. they even have their owns ribosomes! Life is nested! mitochondria and ribosomes are both direct targets of antibiotics. Natasha Campbell-Mcbride has been saying for years that antibiotics will be the primary cause of a coming tsunami of global disease. It looks like that wave is here.
Anti- + -biotic = self-defeating
Actually Reante you are just a little wrong here.
Certainly mitochondria are bacterial symbiotic organisms, but to call them non human is just a tad absurd. They are found in all eucaryotic cells – plants, fungi, all animals etc. They are part of all advanced life forms.
Secondly not all antibiotics target ribosomes. The earliest antibiotics – the penicillins do NOT affect the rest of the cell because they selectively target the cell wall of bacteria which animal cells (including all human cells do not have). This has been known for 50 years (I wrote an essay on it 50 years ago). Many of the newer antibiotics also target the cell wall.
Now I am not sure whether it is standard practice but the penicillin class of antibiotics tend to be the first choice of most doctors because of their relative safety.
Certainly there are some that target protein synthesis but not all. They are used more rarely.
Yes bacteria resistance is a huge problem. However it has nothing whatsoever to do with the COVID debate since antibiotics never work against viruses. (there are drugs that do – classed as antimicrobial)
watcher,
first you define mitochondria as bacterial symbiotic organisms and then you imply that they are human. which is it?
as Tuppence asks, what does it mean to be human? it means, in part, to be other than human.
what do you make of the following publication?
“Antibiotics that are supposed to target pathogens will also bind to mitochondria with high affinity and cause side effects [17]. An example of this is seen with minocycline. It inhibits ATP synthesis and calcium retention in the mitochondria of brain cells [18]. The commonality of these antibiotic-induced side-effects lead physicians to create a term for this phenomenon called antimicrobial-induced mania, or antibiomania, since it can occur in neural tissues due to higher metabolic rates [19–21].
We and others propose that mitochondria dysfunction may be part of the core problem for abnormal behaviors induced by antibiotic treatment, e.g., depression, autism, etc. [16,22–27]. Dysfunctional mitochondria have recently become a center of interest in explaining mental disorders [28–33]. Ciprofloxacin induces a small percent of treated patients to develop psychosis [34–36]. In this regard, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) receptor binding is inhibited by ciprofloxacin. Importantly, the 18 kDa translocator protein (TSPO) localized to the outer mitochondrial membrane, previously designated as the peripheral-type benzodiazepine receptor, has been found to be temporally enhanced in the striatum and substantial nigra pars compacta in a neuro-inflammatory rat model of Parkinson’s Disease [37] or diffuse nerve injury [38]. Interestingly, a reversal of repeated social stress-induced anxiety-like behavioral outcomes in rodents has been linked to the off-target peripheral effects of the widely used benzodiazepine lorazepam on TSPO activation [39]. More precisely, in vivo positron emission tomography (PET) scanning using the TSPO-specific ligand [11C]DPA713 has demonstrated enhanced signal in select brain areas due to in vivo microglial activation as a result of aging and neuronal degeneration [40,41]. Once ciprofloxacin treatment stops, the behavior returns to normal. Interestingly, a subtype A of GABA receptor (GABAA) is regulated by the level of mitochondrial reactive oxygen species(mROS) at inhibitory synapses of cerebellar stellate cells [42]. Behavioral changes are not limited just to ciprofloxacin, but also occurs with exposure to metronidazole [43], ofloxacin [44], trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole [45], cotrimoxazole [46], procaine penicillin[47] and clarithromycin [48,49].
Additional examples of mitochondrial dysfunction, which are antibiotic-induced, are extensive and not limited to psychiatric behavior. Aminoglycosides have been used for decades, and they are still considered to be effective for treating bacterial infections [50]. However, there is a high risk of damage to sensory cells inside the inner ear when exposed to this antibiotic due to reactive oxygen species (ROS) being released from the mitochondria [15,51–55]. Another experiment demonstrated that binding of aminoglycosides to the human mitochondrial H69 hairpin is the most likely factor in causing the side effect [56]. Moreover, tetracycline [57] also works by manipulating gene expression via the Tet-on/Tet-off system. In addition to gene manipulation, it will also induce unnecessary stress upon the mitochondria by disrupting translation [58]. Therefore, translation-targeted antibiotics must be used with extreme caution, especially in patients that have mitochondrial translation defects.
Antibiotic-induced mitochondrial damage can be pronounced on neurons, as noted earlier for behavior, especially given their metabolism, which requires 20% of the oxygen entering the body. Oligomycin disrupts mitochondria by directly targeting ATP synthase activity [59]. Nigericin and distamycin disturb mitochondrial respiration via altering ion permeability of the membrane [60]. They can also inhibit anaerobic glycolysis [61]. This phenomenon suggests that aspects of antibiotic activity and cancers may be connected via energy processing [62].”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5240889/
By the way, the German word for it sounds similar, but is written “Zugzwang”, i.e. the Zwang to make a Zug, where “Zug”, according to Mark Twain, may be, like “Schlag”, used for any other German word. That’s his grammar, not mine.
bp
Interview with german doctor, about the class action suits in US, Canada and Germany and about how pure or unpure the cv19 vaccines are.
http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/
Cheers, M
Thanks sean the leprechaun :)
made hard copy. 65 pg. started reading…
pg 8 –
WW: Another point is that in the USA and elsewhere it is now being permitted to combine
different vaccines for the first and second vaccine … Mixing the different vaccines so that
one can’t even draw clear conclusions, and this while studies are still ongoing – well, they
are supposed to be studies – that the vaccine doses are being mixed so that you can
scarcely determine which vaccine is having which effect and which side effect – that
seems to be intentional, it’s like that in the USA, that the Moderna, BionTech and
AstraZeneca vaccines can be mixed – if one isn’t available, another can be used. This
makes it impossible to have an overview and it means it can’t be evaluated in the
observational study either – which means we’re flying blind.
VSK: Yes, that’s exactly how I see it. They have a deadline of the end of July of this year
for these investigations, and then the decision will be made as to whether the vaccine
receives final authorisation or not; it only has a temporary authorisation at the moment
from what I understand. The problem is that all these analysis techniques, protocols, all
these commitments they have to make, it’s all running parallel to the vaccines actually
being administered – that’s what’s so disastrous.
RF: If we wait until July we won’t have any Israelis left as far as I can tell. Holy Shit.
pls know I read (and will continue to read) all your links dutifully and appreciated much… if I didnt thank you enough pls know I am quietly grateful (in the background)
bwbs
the debt of gratitude goes to sis, she works in a blood lab, every single employee is double vaxxed, except her, when covid patients come in (with their non existant maladey according to some) not one single vaxxed employee wants to handle the covid patients, she just says ffs, and takes the cv19 person to a special back room and does her job……that takes will, she is PPEd to the max mind you, but so are the vaxxed. Anyway, I’m just the mail man, she does the heavy lifting……hopefully the info she finds helps fill out the picture for those interested.
Cheers and best of health to you, M
finished reading. 2ns half is german (the remainder 30pg)
2 highlight bits for you,
‘The spike protein was not there at first – it came into being in response to the vaccination and that’s why it’s called a genetically modified cell. We have therefore become a genetically modified organism. As long as the spike proteins are there and the RNAs, we are GMOs. They’ll go away at some point, then we’ll no longer be a GMO but we are a GMO for as long as they are there.’
and
‘Once formed, the T cell substance enters the cell so that this cell is prompted to commit cell suicide – cell death. This is called programmed cell death or apoptosis.’
simple summary for you –
once vaxxed, in up to 6hr, if the jabbed dont drop dead,
the effect will take 4-6wks to run thorugh all organs (nothing speared – not local as they lied)
if no adverse reacton or death, mening the person’s body ‘adjust’ to that or ‘dealt’ w that,
then some residual component or the after-effected organs will continue to mal-function, for forseeable future, in the article, 4-5 yrs, by maybe up to 20yr or life, as jabbed are GMOed.
If and when the subsequant jab is introduced, obviously, the game is reloaded and adverse effect double at least or to infinity…
discussion has been also on transportation of vaxx, dosage of vaxx, target audience of vaxx etc… for the legal purpose.
I am in the opinion, that the jabbed, w non-western medical paradigm, can ‘wash off’ or ‘clean out’ or at least, reduce the GMO effect, which unfortunately that path is not cleared here.
discussion panel expect mass death and already observe destruction of the evidence by quick cremation, unchecked (india?)
anyhow, I wish all of you bwbs
Is this typical of American big cities? I think Bill’s got a cure…
https://youtu.be/buI4PYH7i00
So, where did that lab leak occur, eh!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5sGlqsRSdZrJ/
Cheers, M
How extraordinary, back in Jan 2020 I think it was, someone published the conspiracy roadmap, and every step, every bullet point – we’re only halfway through it – has come true.
Being a white westerner I remember talking with friends a few years ago about how lucky we were to have lived our lives in comfort, security, peace and freedom, and would we make it safely to the end? It looked like it. My father, grandfather, great grandfather all fought in terrible wars that devastated their generations. A pal said, we in western europe and north America are living in the best of possible worlds in history but somethings gonna give, it won’t last, and it will happen quickly. I remember our laughter, pleasure and complacency. Never a thought for other worlds. We missed the signs that 26 December 1991 and 9/11 were screaming at us. And now, “the monster’s coming to get you”.
It’s time to pay the bill, the invoice is overdue, the free ride’s over, we are witnessing historical change. Time is up maybe….
And now it feels like we’ve reached 1930.
Might be of interest to the medical/technical chaps, ref MS & Pfizer
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00415-021-10648-w?s=09
The only UK media outfit who is delivering credible information:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-16th-june-2021
Mr Soros has done a good job convincing the city mayors to “poke” their tax payers.
Of course money is to be made, and money, is the only incentive.
On being human, brief look at the virus spike protein in evolution scan format
Spike, derives from spica, the ear of wheat, the earliest of cultivated plants, and that was known once as being relation to the sun, its rays enabling all life in raising the plants up from the soil
The grain related to fertility, and the ennobling dimension of life on earth, one could say, and also, in relation to human growth and improvement.
Every small grain of the ear, has its own spike above it, as protection against animals and as a mechanism of seed dispersal. The kernel is the endosperm, an interior layer that holds carbohydrates, protein and smaller amounts of vitamins and minerals.
They are three-fold in nature, as it’s name indicates, Triticum aestivum (tri=3)
The virus spike is different from the start, (from the “first”) as its protein is dispersed on the top of the spike.
It has no interest in protection, is arrogant, harmful for life and human ennoblement, dispersing its protein as if carrying a trophy, bearing some kind of new messiah….
Tuppence there is no viral spike protein terrorizing us. See the following recent blog post by the yoda of the Terrain, tom cowan, in which he reacts to a peer-reviewed paper from 2020 that he has recently been sent. Here’s a quote from his post that begins with him quoting the paper:
” “A number of potential natural mimickers that can generate intracellular groups of round vesicles mimicking
SARS-CoV-2 virions could be listed, the most likely being endocytic vesicles and endosomal components such as microvesicular bodies containing exosomes, among others. Endocytosis leads to the formation of 60-120 nm vesicles, which is within the size range described for SARS-CoV-2 (60-140nm). These endocytic vesicles may be coated by different proteins, one of the most common being clathrin. The presence of coating proteins may be responsible for the presence of an electron-dense area surrounding these vesicles, giving the appearance of a viral corona.”
In other words, remember the famous “corona” on the corona virus? It turns out it’s just a common protein coating on normal vesicles, picking up the dyes in the electron-microscope preparation. The corona appearance is just another creative fiction, dreamed up by virologists and their graphic design teams.”
https://drtomcowan.com/the-smoking-gun/
checkmate.
Interesting bit about mechanism of radioactive pollution, which, we understand, applies generally – and particularly explanation for why sometimes leaking atomic power stations are run even in failure…
https://www.fairewinds.org/ …………….
“Climate Crisis + Regulatory Collusion = Nuclear Disasters, June 15, 2021, Leaks at Nuke in China”
Expert opinion? The fuel cladding failed in at least one tube assembly, thus the radioactive gases, which are generated in excess of storage capacity, at the same time that electric power from hydro is at a low condition, thus, opinion that the choice to vent (and probably shorten many lives) balances on the cost…how many die if we shut down v how many die (later) if we vent. (My nonexpert opinion is that the Chinese are there, they’re very smart, it’s their problem and they will do their best – but that leaks happen…they always happen…including in biolabs, cars, airplanes, and spy departments, just as valves can be counted on to stick).
The problems are intrinsic to all big industrial undertakings. If one were superstitious one might imagine every machine has ardent desire to self-destruct…but some are diabolical and fail just when one needs the machine, others are nice and warm and fail in a civilized and gradual friendly way, like the pencil stub that is finally worn to a nub.
So true Mr P, but some machines, (see; huge gas explosion in Russia back in the 90’s, if memory serves), are designed to ‘fail’ on purpose, especially those ones that ‘fail’ just when needed………if one wants stability, and security, all mechanical products must be sourced locally and not bought from a front company owned/co-opted by a three letter alphabit gang, masquarading as an intellegence outfit, especially when they take credit and show great glee at their underhandedness. When satellites detected the explosion in Russia, the Pentagon contacted Russia and asked if they’d just had a nuclear accident…..some freakin’ explosion that was…….no superstitious imagination required.
Cheers, M
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I remember that little affair, and the odor. Good to keep in mind that which must not be said “sabotage”…I myself have read about somewhat similar affairs that v Luckner (who was listed by US as “nazi spy” in the 1930’s) wrote of about German sabotage in Imperial Russia, and German sabotage in the US – in relation to W#1)…it seem that we now may be witness to similar campaigns…although of course the names are changed to protect the whatever. Von Luckner was only one source…there was a big lawsuit about Black Tom…lots of evidence and sources. I have a small collection… sounds like the same tune to me.
duckduckgo > “industrial fire enormous” as search term…
My wag about the cladding failure is that they had fuel swelling, maybe a hot spot…PWR’s do not simply rely on natural convection…they have internal jets that force circulation of the primary water, it’s a new plant, maybe just a fubar – a forgotten beer can in a pipe. Of course overload might do the same, and engineers “exercise” – every big plant is somewhat experimental, and fubar can be sabotage. Polluted fuel slug? Now that…
I am quite sure that the Chinese will form appropriate opinions, and manage, and remember.
Yeah the timing on this nuclear incident fits the global degrowth agenda. The international cooperation to prevent nuclear meltdown that I have mentioned is now necessary, because the demand destruction of the plandemic is implicit notice that we have reached the limits to growth, is of course a process fraught with it’s natural counterpart in that of competition. Nature is the dynamic balancing of cooperation and competition. These superpowers naturally do not trust each other but they absolutely must cooperate with each other on the existential, extinction-level issue revolving around the 400+ ticking timebombs. These superpowers must balance their own competitive degrowth needs with those of their competitors while knowing that each superpower has its tentacles all the way up in the other’s nether regions.
China says the lease agreement on Hong Kong was part of the golden age of growth and has thusly expired. The west says Hong Kong should be grandfathered in to it’s own degrowth agenda. Something’s gotta give when the Hegemon’s tentacles start a ticklin at the negotiation table. Maybe that’s partly what the ‘biden-putin’ summit is about: a three-way trade that seeks a way out of this standoff.
Summit has started. For those interested, Sputnik has live coverage and the Russian Foreign Office on their twitter.
https://sputniknews.com/world/202106161083158629-live-updates-putin-biden-geneva-summit/#article_item_1083162736
https://twitter.com/mfa_russia
Guess who Biden brought along with him. No other than Cookies Nuland.
Predicted it last week. Nuland represents the Khazarian tribe and runs the Hybrid Wars in the Russian sphere of influence–Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Central Asia.
Russia brought the Russian Chief of Staff General Gerasimov. He wins wars. Doesn’t do cookies.
Indeed …
Putin’s Q&A going on here – I cannot hear the questions – only Putin’s answers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQsGBCi2e1U
Oh boy … Putin’s presents a normal and calm conversation in the ‘summit’, but the more I listen to him, the more I realize he is truly pissed off! He is angry!
Absolutely, you can almost see steam coming out of his ears! Just look at the frustration and anger showing in his body language. He can’t wait to be rid of the bunch of them.
Mike Whitney and Ron Unz in dialogue over the unspeakable suspicions re the oddities of the viruslockdowninjection whatever… They suspect… Just about what most people are afraid to think, I think.
And almost precisely what “somebody” said at MoA in late 2019 or maybe Jan 2020…Agent San went to Wuhan?
It’s a classical confidence routine to frame the mark so that the mark blames hizownself.
Somehow I don’t think the mark fell for the gag… And I’d give a nickle to know what’s behind Xi and VVP smiles…and recall VVP “We know everything.”
(note to Mod…which is not intended especially to post> previously a complimentary remark about the Mormons was deleted… that’s quite fine with me of course, but please understand that it was made as a compliment and not intended to be derogatory…they keep a years’ worth of supplies, they help one another, all that good stuff! Many people find the Mormon dogmas impenetrable…but the objective reality is highly respectable and good. I have several Mormon relatives and approve of them heartily. P)
this is the afternoon of the Summit in Genf. To me the time to ask the gods for their numen.
Be constellation like it may be, the fruits of the day belong to those who are around with a pious
heart. And if with it smartness and wisdom are aligned then might be a field-day for humble
professionalism.
It’s the 24th week 2021: by mundanoniac:
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2021/06/summit-week-what-is-constellated.html
thanks mundanomaniac :)
i was going to ask for your updates as the air is ‘not clean’
thought I look to the stars…
much appreciated for your sharings (if I dont express my gratitude enough or ghosting forseeable ‘now’)
bwbs
“Mercury
of man
ruling
at home
seemingly
ceasing to proceed
behind
Sun
the living center
by which
each
cell
lives a
living”
very nice mundo… and yes, thank you for helping to elevate the tone, allowing us to breath fresher, purer air again…
Also to remember, as Mercury is currently “retrograde”, the positive social aspects potential to trigger the lowering of standards so clearly visible on here.
Auguries of Innocence
BY WILLIAM BLAKE
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
A Robin Red breast in a Cage
Puts all Heaven in a Rage
A Dove house filld with Doves & Pigeons
Shudders Hell thr’ all its regions
A dog starvd at his Masters Gate
Predicts the ruin of the State
A Horse misusd upon the Road
Calls to Heaven for Human blood
Each outcry of the hunted Hare
A fibre from the Brain does tear
A Skylark wounded in the wing
A Cherubim does cease to sing
The Game Cock clipd & armd for fight
Does the Rising Sun affright
Every Wolfs & Lions howl
Raises from Hell a Human Soul
The wild deer, wandring here & there
Keeps the Human Soul from Care
The Lamb misusd breeds Public Strife
And yet forgives the Butchers knife
The Bat that flits at close of Eve
Has left the Brain that wont Believe
The Owl that calls upon the Night
Speaks the Unbelievers fright
He who shall hurt the little Wren
Shall never be belovd by Men
He who the Ox to wrath has movd
Shall never be by Woman lovd
The wanton Boy that kills the Fly
Shall feel the Spiders enmity
He who torments the Chafers Sprite
Weaves a Bower in endless Night
The Catterpiller on the Leaf
Repeats to thee thy Mothers grief
Kill not the Moth nor Butterfly
For the Last Judgment draweth nigh
He who shall train the Horse to War
Shall never pass the Polar Bar
The Beggars Dog & Widows Cat
Feed them & thou wilt grow fat
The Gnat that sings his Summers Song
Poison gets from Slanders tongue
The poison of the Snake & Newt
Is the sweat of Envys Foot
The poison of the Honey Bee
Is the Artists Jealousy
The Princes Robes & Beggars Rags
Are Toadstools on the Misers Bags
A Truth thats told with bad intent
Beats all the Lies you can invent
It is right it should be so
Man was made for Joy & Woe
And when this we rightly know
Thro the World we safely go
Joy & Woe are woven fine
A Clothing for the soul divine
Under every grief & pine
Runs a joy with silken twine
The Babe is more than swadling Bands
Throughout all these Human Lands
Tools were made & Born were hands
Every Farmer Understands
Every Tear from Every Eye
Becomes a Babe in Eternity
This is caught by Females bright
And returnd to its own delight
The Bleat the Bark Bellow & Roar
Are Waves that Beat on Heavens Shore
The Babe that weeps the Rod beneath
Writes Revenge in realms of Death
The Beggars Rags fluttering in Air
Does to Rags the Heavens tear
The Soldier armd with Sword & Gun
Palsied strikes the Summers Sun
The poor Mans Farthing is worth more
Than all the Gold on Africs Shore
One Mite wrung from the Labrers hands
Shall buy & sell the Misers Lands
Or if protected from on high
Does that whole Nation sell & buy
He who mocks the Infants Faith
Shall be mockd in Age & Death
He who shall teach the Child to Doubt
The rotting Grave shall neer get out
He who respects the Infants faith
Triumphs over Hell & Death
The Childs Toys & the Old Mans Reasons
Are the Fruits of the Two seasons
The Questioner who sits so sly
Shall never know how to Reply
He who replies to words of Doubt
Doth put the Light of Knowledge out
The Strongest Poison ever known
Came from Caesars Laurel Crown
Nought can Deform the Human Race
Like to the Armours iron brace
When Gold & Gems adorn the Plow
To peaceful Arts shall Envy Bow
A Riddle or the Crickets Cry
Is to Doubt a fit Reply
The Emmets Inch & Eagles Mile
Make Lame Philosophy to smile
He who Doubts from what he sees
Will neer Believe do what you Please
If the Sun & Moon should Doubt
Theyd immediately Go out
To be in a Passion you Good may Do
But no Good if a Passion is in you
The Whore & Gambler by the State
Licencd build that Nations Fate
The Harlots cry from Street to Street
Shall weave Old Englands winding Sheet
The Winners Shout the Losers Curse
Dance before dead Englands Hearse
Every Night & every Morn
Some to Misery are Born
Every Morn and every Night
Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are Born to Endless Night
We are led to Believe a Lie
When we see not Thro the Eye
Which was Born in a Night to perish in a Night
When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light
God Appears & God is Light
To those poor Souls who dwell in Night
But does a Human Form Display
To those who Dwell in Realms of day
awesome poem. some bleeding heart stuff but nevermind it’s also packed with truths! the short poem, London, which also has a similar line about harlots inspired this 90s classic:
I wander thro’ each charter’d street,
Near where the charter’d Thames does flow.
And mark in every face I meet
Marks of weakness, marks of woe.
In every cry of every Man,
In every Infants cry of fear,
In every voice: in every ban,
The mind-forg’d manacles I hear
How the Chimney-sweepers cry
Every blackning Church appalls,
And the hapless Soldiers sigh
Runs in blood down Palace walls
But most thro’ midnight streets I hear
How the youthful Harlots curse
Blasts the new-born Infants tear
And blights with plagues the Marriage hearse (LOL)
https://youtu.be/CNUvl-SxnlQ
Renate
This poem is among other things a very nice poem on interconnectedness. I have before posted a link to a previous Saker article ‘His Hate’. As I wrote this is a very good essay on interconnectedness. This was the reason I posted that link, not the reason you supposed. To be balanced human beings in this universe we must know both the outer and inner world. Those who know the inner dimension are however sadly very few.
Again spellchecker changes your name to Renate. I expect you must get this a lot. I see the same with Sean’s post.
I never knew the whole of Auguries of Innocence, a fridge sticker, and contains something of what I wanted to convey in my comment about the ears of corn, the spike, and how good and evil are entwined.
It is interesting how easily misunderstandings arise via the plastic screen and technological means of communication; goodwill and quiet listening help to ameliorate this, I guess its all about finding the way back home, i.e. to the archetypal good of all things, and from out of which evil was born, conceived in Time.
‘To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour!”
Blake was a mixture of divine prophet, poet, and voice for social awareness, on the dark streets of London in his thought and heart, seeing light, and all his work, far above the egotism of the personal, which we fight fiercely with !
tuppence
But like Dimitar, poet and painter
Anomalous no worries about the spelling. I couldn’t care less. I’ve always liked the name renate. BTW, reante is short for reanteben, an older handle. it means ‘again as before ben.’ it’s a rewilding, animist handle.
Anomalous, thanks. Yes it is a very nice poem on interconnectedness. Perhaps I should justify my claim regarding the bleeding heart.
Each outcry of the hunted Hare
A fibre from the Brain does tear
If one is hunting well, there is equanimity of mind. Within that equanimity lies compassion.
He who the Ox to wrath has movd
Shall never be by Woman lovd
I sometimes get angry with my adult farm animals for breaking the social contract which they are fully capable of understanding. We all have our daily responsibilities and duties, and sometimes we don’t want to do them for some reason or another but do them we must. I do not abuse them; when I am physical with them I am physical with them in the same way that they are physical with each other. I speak their language. There is no lasting trauma. Two seconds later everything is back to normal. The simplistic, stereotypical way in which Blake phrased the ox couplet looks to me like Blake was making a blanket statement about the deep wrongness of being physical with animals – of animals using physical forms of communication. Such blanket statements come from State and religious dogmas instituted in order to make densely populated urban societies more manageable.
You cannot fill cities with stout-hearted peoples. Such cities would explode.
Thanks for your thoughtfulness in clarifying what happened between us some weeks ago.
Renate
I think you perhaps have never seen greyhounds chasing a hare. It is a spectator sport. This is most likely what was meant, although I am not so sure if Blake ever saw this living in London.
In former times it was normal to use ox carts. Mistreatment of these animals was common. If you go to India you will see many emaciated oxes pulling carts. I would invite you sometime to go to India to test your theory of non existent germs. Have a lassi in Varanasi and see how fast it knocks you on your chassis.
I was seeking construction conversation but did not find it.
If Blake was talking sport hunting he would have needed to make that clear, and he would have known that he needed to make that clear. Emaciated oxen are the result of emaciated ecologies. Indian disease are the result of emaciated indian ecologies. Emaciated ecologies are dying ecologies. god made Creation such that anaerobes should recycle dead ecologies back into living ecologies. Since life and death are membranous dynamics, god (natural law) decreed that dying but not dead ecologies are the province of facultative anaerobes and all the diseases with which they are correlated but do not cause. The truth bears repeating.
You know reante, they say that in the foxholes of war there are no atheists. In there, they call out to God I’ve never heard of someone calling out to Ecology.
Ecology is not God. It is at the most a very tiny subset of an almost incomprehensible (for humans) design. I mean, you may want to make it yours and you are free to do that, but that would not make it so eh. Calling them ‘truth’ though takes a cake from the funny farm. I do not revere death – I mourn death. I talk of life and life more abundantly.
And tell me, how long have you lived in countries that are so-called ‘developing’ or poor countries, or India, or places where not such a high store is set on the life of an ox as a matter of social consciousness? Years ago I was chatting to a local who actually wanted dogs as he felt he needed dogs – a macho thing for him. I asked him how will he feed dogs? He said .. no hay problemas, señora: I eat, they eat. I don’t eat, they don’t eat. Just something from the world outside of the comforts of the US where one can wax lyrical about rewilding because life has become so devoid of values, that you may as well pick one.
that’s because you’ve never met an animist before, amarynth. you spit on my animism and you’re spitting on your own bloodlines. remember where you came from.
as I said when I first arrived at MFC, animism was and is the only ontology that has ever been based on pure reason. the heart is in the ecology because the ecology is our home. nothing about god can be known other than that god exists because the ecology exists and something cannot come from nothing. so the heart is in the ecology. everything else is new age hearsay. parroting. and cynicism.
I couldn’t come up with a better, more high character response if I tried, than what your neighbor said to your getting up in his business.
reate, there are people here from many different spiritual and religious paths. Simple – Be sensitive to that.
But really religions are legitimate here on this blog for criticism.
5) Criticism of religion. Fundamentally, the religion we profess is the result of a personal choice. As such, I consider religions as legitimate targets for scrutiny and criticism.
There is more here, – read it yourself
/moderation-policy/
So, I quote from you: “nothing about god can be known other than that god exists because the ecology exists and something cannot come from nothing. so the heart is in the ecology. everything else is new age hearsay. parroting. and cynicism.”
Everything else is new age hearsay? We have committed Christians here, committed Buddhists, committed Indic religions, we have people that are clearly not religious and the list continues. So far, if the topic comes up, people are content to give an answer from their path, and this makes a rich environment possible. But most paths include a level of humbleness.
You have just told all those people committed to their chosen spiritual or religious path, that their choices are “new-age hearsay, parroting. and cynicism.” At least be honest enough to own your beliefs, and not try and prescriptively make them fit everyone else. In other words, get off your soapbox and show a little respect for people that choose other paths.
Thank you, amarynth. I was going to chime in, but you covered it. One of the most fundamental spiritual laws was outlined by American writer Richard Maybury, in his book, “Whatever Happened to Justice?”, being that one’s freedom ends where the next person’s begins. No matter what one professes to know or understand, one’s trampling like a herd animal of basic spiritual principles can only be termed vanity.
amarynth,
the truth is always defensible with reason. if you cannot defend your beliefs about truth, or ask somebody else who is qualified to do that for you as was the shaman’s role, then your beliefs are by definition unfounded.
you just accused me of what you yourself are guilty, a common foible we see struggling people do all the time across all aspects of life. and that’s okay, that’s part of the learning process so long as we’re radically honest with ourself and seek to learn from our mistakes. that accusation of yours being that I, spoiled american, just invented my fake animism out of my internal, american spiritual desert.
I have returned to the ontology of the deep ancestors of every single person reading this comment, because that ontology is true. our bloodlines were murdered for this ontology precisely because it was true. our surviving ancestors surrendered and adopted the new age, irrational, hearsay, hegemonic ontologies in order to survive.
we do not get to choose the truth amarynth because a singularity offers no choice. in reality there is no I’ll choose this truth and you choose that truth. that’s multiculturalism. the truth requires acceptance. acceptance is humility. that’s where the humility is. my personality occupies another space from where that humility lies. was jesus humble about the truth or was he declarative about the truth?
accepting the truth is all we can do. it’s no easy feat because it requires you to radically transform your life. agape over eros and everything else besides. it is not for the faint of heart. but once accomplished you become for all intents and purposes untouchable by falsehood.
notice that no one will challenge animism directly. people will only complain about animism challenging their hearsays with reason, as if the truth is being unfair to them. no one will challenge animism because they know that it is defensible and that attempting to do so can only be self-defeating with regard to any hearsays they may have inadvisably purchased from that vending machine lurking in the shadows. no one hear can say that they know anything about god from direct experience that they can explain with pure reason.
I was born again at 36, into the truth. I can tell you that the truth is out there. hear it if you can.
with love and respect to all.
This is a strange discussion to be having on Blake’s poem but anyways….
I wrote that you probably have never seen greyhounds chasing a hare because in America it is not common as far as I know. If you mention hare hunting to an Englishman greyhound coursing is what will come to mind. It
is a long established practise in England since long before Blake’s time.
I have seen plenty of mistreatment of oxen. Emaciated oxen in India area of emaciated because the owner gives them barely enough food to survive. Beating with a stick also is common. I am sure you are much more gentle with your animals in comparison.
traditional rabbit and hare hunting with dogs would have been for the provision of meat. it was the alternative to trapping in a time before guns. if a hare cried out when caught in this context that is only natural and nothing for an adult to get worked up about unless that adult has a bleeding heart.
sport hunting is a bourgeois phenomenon and a foul recreation. to refer simply to ‘hare hunting’ in a poem and intend it to mean exclusively bourgeois sport hunting is ambiguous I’m sure you’ll agree. do you really think that Blake didn’t catch that ambiguity?
This conversation seems to be going down an endless rabbit / hare hole. I will withdraw from the hare debate at this point
This universe is an ocean of prana light / life force in which the heart of every living being is a living fountain. I would much prefer this conversation of Blake’s poem to go this direction. What we do to others we ultimately do to ourselves as is expressed nicely in this poem.
Best wishes
Please allow me a few corrections.
Ecology is Nazi ideology of the leftish, “a clean place to live, worried that some day they might be exposed to personal inconvenience” (Carlin).
Wall Street dumped and outperformed traditional independent farming by GMO and mass production.
When traditional farming was erased they invented the word ecology for traditional farming by raising the prices for traditional products, and thus earning on both sides by factories owned by them.
The ecology word is also used in connection with eugenics, green environment, clima change, m.m.
In the real natural world there is only what we do every day in our houses, cleaning up!
Off course you dont pour chemicals from your household out in your garden, you clean up and separate your stuff. Same rule will prevail for Corporations, etc.
If you do, its called pollution and you a dirty pig.
“Ecology” and “Environmental issues” are abstract newspeak and dont exist in the Creation.
A sober book review of a very serious matter (see)
A Book Review of ‘Tomorrow The World’ by Stephen Wertheim
“…e of the most eye-opening parts of Wertheim’s book is a map near the end that shows the global reach of potential future U.S. military bases as imagined by strategists in 1945. Even in that time of unprecedented American power, far more than the U.S. has today compared to our its rivals, it was nowhere near the number as currently exists. As U.S. power relative the rest of the planet has declined, it has increased, rather than decreased, the military nature of its presence abroad. This tends to trap us in quagmires with polic..”
https://globalsecurityreview.com/the-sun-never-sets-on-postwar-america/
“…ew history explains how and why, as it prepared to enter World War II, the United States decided to lead the postwar world.
For most of its history, the United States avoided making political and military commitments that would entangle it in European-style power politics. Then, suddenly, it conceived a new role for itself as the world’s armed superpower–and never looke…”
“suddenly”?? can anybody say fascist coup///of course that would be an error…
Home Sweet Home…it;s all quite normal.
Mr P
I read the review and it’s all very sound common sense, but I guess these people look at the world one dimensionally. Sadly, power not only corrupts their souls, it messes with their reason.
Old Babuska is just about crying with gratitude, on reading the comments in this Cafe.
Thank You all, for the comments and conversations, the poetry, the sharing of ideas, opinions and experiences… I may not understand it all; i may not agree with all, but I do appreciate the freedom and the courage and the sacred space for this to take place…Spirit of Place
Text plus context is perfection/completion
Thank you, and I agree, sometimes the MFC is like an ideas sauna, get the birch braanches ready in the snow afterwards for invigorating detox finalization. Not my scene, but sauna yes. Miss your presence, along with Paul, many others…. come back all is forgiven !
Has anyone heard of a maverick called Harry Vox?
I don’t know what his expertise is, but he seems to blame everything wrong in the world on jewish people. He has an extreme and unforgiving vision of how the covid pandemic/cyberpolygon crisis is going to pan out. According to his projections I really can’t see anyone in a city/town being able or allowed to survive without your daily dose/vax. And of course, as he said in the event of cybercollapse all the hospitals will be closed and think how many thousands, millions could not survive without their meds, treatments….damn
Just wondered if anyone had read/seen/heard of him?
Can’t find any channels with him, just saw him a couple of times as guest on some video interviews.
Been wondering for a long time that covid 19, relatively mild, curable without vaccinations, was bound to become a greater mortality threat with new strains. The worst is yet to be delivered, so to say.
Vaccination of all types, from childhood onwards, have increased the potential for more serious diseases through suppression, but other factors are also involved.
Further, in autumn, winter or when this how people will cope , having already had 15 months of lockdown, severe restrictions, and vaccination induced stresses
What will the conversations be focussed on then I wonder, especially if there is economic downfall, threats of war, or major conflict. The creative fiction analysts will have a field day…
For myself I can only imagine the fear vector going into ‘second wave’ overdrive, and, the last cherished freedoms vanishing with the wind, unless, a miracle occurs, other unforeseen developments that forestall the worst, at this stage anyway.
Fear was underlined on here as a major factor over a year ago by Pamela, and she was right; it’s the driver. What primary human qualities cancel this, and help to alleviate the impact ?
“Been wondering for a long time that covid 19, relatively mild, curable without vaccinations, was bound to become a greater mortality threat with new strains.”
Since the CDC doesn’t know if it the “thing” is dangerous/disease causative:
https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
•Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.
•The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection.
•The performance of this test has not been established for screening of blood or blood products for the presence of 2019-nCoV.
•This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.
how, in this long period, did you conclude that it (or its, alleged, offspring) is a mortality threat at all?
Those who have an inner spiritual mooring will not have fear as they know
“Which was Born in a Night to perish in a Night
When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light
Putting your heart in the ecology and busting your tail for at least five years cancels fear.
James Kunstler expresses a rational for the remarkable consequences of three very big lies…he expects that good man Mr Biden to give way to some sort of coup…later this year… It’s sorta crazy, and these are crazy times…so…
Withal, although it’s intuitive for me, I also formed such ideas – stolen stuff oft comes unstole…
Like I’ve said, it’s like watching a waterfall or a mighty river.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-three-way-squeeze/
………..
Buttressing Kunstler’s argument, to-day, we see the the astute Chinese Communist State has returned to orbit, plans to stay there, and does not expect the US to be able to “keep up”. “China’s space station core module receives first group of residents, Divine Vessel makes first fast docking for crewed flight mission ”
(evidently the Chinese State wanted to celebrate the “Summit” with some fireworks…which they themselves invented. Very droll! Fine sense of humor! )
(global times cn)
And!! They did not fall for the gag “US scientists report earliest known COVID-19 case a solid proof; next stage should be focused especially on the US: Chinese epidemiologist, Next stage virus tracing should be focused on the US: epidemiologist ” with a pretty chart time-line… (This is one of the big lies Kunstler expect to ravel out)
Sitting is the hot house, surrounded by green life, sipping a cool cider…….you just have to experience it to get the vibe, anyway, she got this look on her face, last time I seen that she…….never mind, “honey, how much did it cost to build this.” I tossed a number out, I’ve never really added it up, it was a neccesity not a luxury, and then she says, “can we build another one, only bigger,” it just never ends…….:)
For anyone who has the space (doesn’t take much), time and ability, hoop frame hot houses are easy to build, all materials are at any hardware store, and the end result……….we have flowers on plants that usually don’t begin flowering till mid July, so we are hoping to eat fresh ‘maters’ before the end of July this year.
Planting: this goes to the N word from MrP, it really is the most important building block of any plant (I’m guessing, no, I have no link) but from memory, when we studied N American native culture and agriculture the First Nations peoples would plant a dead fish in the ground then put a corn seed in the fish, the fish providing the fertilizer………so I, focusing on that, before I plant I’ll dig the hole a little deeper, put in some manure, cover that with a thin layer of soil (don’t want to chance burning the young root ball) then cover as per usual. The results have to be seen to believed even I’m amazed, never had a veggie garden look so good….practice, practice, practice.
Cheers, M
thank you sean. corn is a heavy feeder. from what you say it looks like the red man is to blame for that. feed me says the corn! :)
Just wonderful sir sean. We’re on hiatus now — too hot. Whatever is not harvested will be bolting. Fruit is still ripening and fast. But oh the poor farm. There still is a testing station between town abode and farm and we still avoid that, so, taking a very long road around, and nobody to do any work, stuff is just untended – truly, like we have to change grass roofs even – because those are to be changed every three years or so being we’re so ecologically ‘pure’ dammit!. We of course at this time need air around greenhouses and do not do the hoop hot business. More sunshade cloth and open structures.
The fishy parts – yeah, we do that, right into the green compost if we are short of nitrogen. Pick up a batch of fish heads and guts from the market yuck! My husband does this fish compost thing – smells like hell! But works like a charm. Dig it in, protect the roots and let it grow! In our climate we have to protect things from growing and growing … and not making their veg – so it is always a careful balance. But we do ripe compost in our climate in six weeks straight in summer months – got the water and got the heat and got the nitrogen. The greenwood chipper got ripped of and bloody stolen during covid times …. Oh boy .. a few more goats I think.
Oh dear – cannot go live back on the farm again before we have not changed roofs! I hate Covid! Will see around September if we have any Jamaican tea and sesame seeds to harvest. The Moringa trees are not coppiced and will be too high to harvest easily – gotto cut those down. Did I say, I hate Covid!
Got it, but……..you aint seen nothing yet ;-). https://youtu.be/4cia_v4vxfE
The drive to the needle continues in every imaginable way – threats, fines, restrictions apartheid – you name it. This Pharmacist resigned, refusing to vaccinate / ‘kill people ‘ – she recounts how pharmacists were being recruited at $6, 500 per week and how the vaccine inserts had no information whatsoever / were completely blank. Disappointingly, most acquiesced to the jab even after her efforts to persuade them against it.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-pharmacist-quits-cvs-job-over-refusal-kill-people-covid-19-shots-becomes-whistleblower/5747931
OK, lots of ideas here on the Covid issue. In another space, my inbox is exploding with new information as to whodunit.
Slowly real evidence/proof/call it what you like is filtering out of the mess of data and propagandist horse pucky.
Let me start with a provocative statement. Those that think bioweapons do not exist, or will not affect humans, you guys must go and read some history. You guys that think this creature Covid-19 does not exist should go and see what our Leprechaun has to say about his sister. And others as well, you know. Not strangers, people that we know and trust from long-term cooperation around The Saker site.
So, here is the story for today – mind I have not worked through all of this in detail at all … as this is a drop in my bucket and I’m trying to grab a trend.
We start with something from Unz from Israel Shamir. Why I post this, is that it has some things that we may lose along the way
– I quote information from Glazyev in full .. so it’s a bit long. This aligns with what I know from the very first investigative visit of Russian medico’s to China.
The Russians agree with Ron Unz. They think the virus was crafted by US scientists. While Putin avoided answering this question directly, Sergei Glazyev, an adviser to Putin and a minister of the Eurasian Commission, provided the whole script. In his view,
…The virus was synthesized in a well-known US laboratory by order of a scientific foundation closely associated with certain structures of the American financial oligarchy, then moved by ethnic Chinese to a Wuhan laboratory and released into the environment there. The purpose of this operation was to destabilize the socio-political situation in the PRC in order to create the prerequisites for a revolutionary situation. It fully fits into the logic of the global hybrid war, unleashed by the American financial oligarchy in order to maintain world domination in the confrontation with the rapidly growing China.
The Wuhan Institute, says Glazyev, worked closely with a more advanced American laboratory. The Chinese scientists who worked in Wuhan had previously trained and conducted research in the United States. The United States is the only country in the world that has the necessary competencies to create such a virus. The United States is the only major country that has not signed the international convention on bioweapons. The Chinese specialists who worked at the time in the Wuhan laboratory came from the United States, where they conducted experiments on the synthesis of coronavirus using quasi-secret American funds.
Glazyev, a leading economist by trade, explained why the people behind creating a novel Coronavirus didn’t mind that it might spread all over the world. They needed to deflate the global financial bubble that had been inflated by the US Federal Reserve, the ECB, the Banks of England and Japan through a decade of quantitative easing. Throughout the decade the volume of the dollar money supply increased fivefold, and the euro increased fourfold. Financial collapse was inevitable. Thanks to the global pandemic, the bubble deflated peacefully and manageably, without any unpleasant excesses. A million or two million dead is reasonable collateral damage in the eyes of the American super-rich.
So ,.. basically a real virus creature, to deflate the world wide economy. Glazyev is not a fool in this area.
The other interesting piece from Shamir, with an interesting summary video link looking at the money, and his premise is in this paragraph:
President Trump threatened to sue Beijing for ten trillion dollars for the Wuhan lab leak. Good idea! But this princely sum should be charged to Washington (or rather New York with its Wall Street) as well as to Beijing. Actually, we didn’t have to wait until the end of May 2021 for this revelation. The basic facts were covered in the viral videos Plandemic and Plandemic II, released almost a year ago and promptly banned. Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKcSNrGf4dE
you can watch a condensed (7 minutes), yet very convincing version of these two long videos, published last August. The creators conclude their story with ‘a plague on both your houses’ statement: “The US could say China did it, China could say the US did it. And both were right.”
https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-can-of-worms/#comments
Then, on a whole other note, all over the Chinese news media, but I don’t know how much of this goes through to the western media. The link descriptions should be enough explanation:
https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/224112#Coronavirus-was-in-US-in-late-2019-study-finds
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1226339.shtml
https://sputniknews.com/us/202106161083158006-nih-study-finds-evidence-covid-19-was-circulating-in-five-us-states-in-december-2019/
So, there it is. It’s beginning to be that the preponderance of evidence points to Ft. Detrick but it would be premature to say that as yet. We all know this intuitively but confirmation about popping the financial bubble as the main reason, and sticking it to China, is bubbling through as well. But then, of course, this popping is going to be a failure between Build Back Better and these programs. Russia and China and Iran and a host of others are not playing and this is going to tumble back down to the West in a very sad postscript for their peoples.
And then, two more things. A very strange guy who I like in the main has this to say. He lives in China and was part of a split-off of spookery foolery.
https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/how-do-like-world-war-3/
Then, to finalize this part of the proceedings, I listened to Mr Trump this morning – his comments on the ‘summit’. But that was all to be expected and Trump is Trump. Everyone is cheating him and everyone should pay more and China must pay. He is still full of China Virus (despite his Sec State dropping the ‘live exercise comment, and he himself immediately and too quickly turning around and saying ‘you should have told us’. Uhm ….
Commentators say there still is biological warfare against China. Romanoff tells us each time he writes for us, Metallicman says so, and many other analysts as well. Of course those of use that watch the curves and not the hard numbers, can say that it truly looks like Russia was seeded twice. I think our Farmer from Down Under had good explanation for this.
To conclude though .. Trump has a good sense of what people say and do. So, he is stepping back on a few things:
– He is stepping back on vaccines as he obviously is not getting good feedback, but only to be careful with children.
– He is stepping back on ‘Biden is too old for the job’, which is clear that he is clearing his path for a possible presidential run – cannot say anything about Biden’s age and he is getting up there as well. Now suddenly, according to Trump, Biden is not brain-addled any longer.
– But he is not stepping back on the war against China – and China must pay.
My perspective on this is that the one who shouts the loudest most probably has something to hide.
Yes, we are still in a war on this front, despite ‘summit’.
Sorry for the length, and the bunch of reading material, but bite sized pieces won’t do it.
After Unit 731 and the affair in Korea and all the epidemics of foreign zoological diseases and so on the astute Asiatic mind was never deceived. Oldest Empire on Earth is not peopled by fools ignorant of History, craft, or guile…their cartoons foretell, more or less, what they will do, and how Kunstler’s 3 lies Judo-like, ravel out the paper dragon…
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202106/17/WS60ca8236a31024ad0bac989d.html
(I can’t find the one with the three witches and the bubbling cauldron labeled “Ft Detrick”, the they knew from the start, and so did the bookies, now where’s Stumpy Zevon, I gotta collect…)
good find. that cartoon is also subliminal chinese gun control propaganda. stacking functions. :)
oh waffle reante. There is no subliminal here. I love the Chinese cartoons and check them regularly. If they want to give you gun control propaganda, they’ll stick it in your face. That is what makes these cartoons such a pleasure.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202106/08/WS60beb662a31024ad0bac42f3.html
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202106/03/WS60b81c96a31024ad0bac33e3.html
Indeed, the Communist doctrine is that weapons are to be 100% under party control. Fidel gave same doctrine.
The “roman” doctrine? Free men carry weapons, slaves do not…they argued about the matter, Cicero has an opinion.
Under the reality of the moment even the most pacific of person in the USA may be inclined to decide that he himself ought to be prepared…
Yet I recall Commandante in Granma saying that “the time for weapons is past”. (I doubt that Fidel set aside his 1911 .45 APC !)
https://stephenhalbrook.com/books/that-every-man-be-armed/
I think Boccaccio in the Decameron writes of his opinion – and his idea may be salient for our time – as Mr B lived and formed opinion in plaguetime, ahemmm.
Count me out of gun stuff, but I was once young…
Seriously the cartoon (I saved it) was MacBeth’s witches – one was Net an ya hoo another Phousee, stirring a boiling cauldron labled “Ft Detrick”. Net a ya hoo was shouting “Wuhan!”
Evidently washed from the ‘net… But the point is that CCP said loud an’ clear that they know, that they are going to avoid cognitive dissonance, and reveal what the truth is, and damn the torpedoes….nothing personal, it’s war. I’m sure they are sympathetic if the war is too hard for the occidental regimes.
It was a very significant cartoon. I have copy.
This is one of the very few US stories that I followed. The pair of attorneys that came out and showed guns to some BLM mob.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/st-louis-couple-mark-patricia-mccloskey-pay-fines-lose-guns
Thing is, look at the pic. Whatever the case, these folks are a problem. They have these guns but do not know much about them.
100% under party control despite the fact that marx was adamantly pro-gun…
Hi Amarynth
Such a lot of meat in this sandwich!
It will take days for me to digest all of this. My comment in the meantime is simple…quite frankly no one needed to be called Sherlock to work out who would be dumb and reckless enough to set this shocking chain of events into motion. I always saw the entire event as having multifaceted agenda’s…
#1 Throwing a giant spanner in the works of the Belt and Road Initiative and causing as much damage as possible to the Hegemon’s contrived enemies
#2 A pathetically naive expectation that this action could somehow assist the Hegemon in retaining world unipolar control
#3 Population control in terms of numbers
#4 Population control in terms of freedom and rights
Cheers from the south seas
Col
Yeah, I know … and I have that much and more still sitting in the inbox. (They talk about Clinton emails ha .. they have not seen my inbox – just a joke!).
whatever the subject matter, and this is about as big as it gets, the three witches are out the bag, and the cauldron’s bubbling, the image naturally applicable to other situational scenes.
‘…by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes…’ cheers macbeth, down the hatch.
As you say “intuitive”. I have some friends in Brazil, poor people but basic educated, making it in a one liner when the plandemic broke out last year: “This virus is a cover up for Western bankruptcy”.
Then hell from MSM broke loose and the necessity to prove the intuition by a long hard work. But its really impressing what good intuition can do in a moment instead of countless academic articles and year long analyses.
Luxuriating in his analytical ability and luck in Rhetoric Brother Comrade Mercouris (” A Disinformation Case Study: The Fake Story of Russia’s Sale of A Kanopus V Satellite to Iran ” ) (@ duran) He dynamites the corner-stone…alas lie come unmade, stole comes unstole…
reuters article evidently consists of 100% US source horsechit. 100% !
God has a sense of Humor? Yeah…
But I recall that the wise know the relationship ‘tween lie and violence…
Better Brecht in German, but US English and German are nearly the same language in my ear, withal,
“Memory of Marie A,”
One day in blue-moon September,
Silent under a plum tree,
I held her, my silent pale love
in my arms like a fair and lovely dream.
Above us in the summer skies,
Was a cloud that caught my eye.
It was so white and high up,
and when I looked up, it was no longer there.
And since that moment, many a September
Came sailing in, then floated down the stream.
No doubt the plum trees were cut down for timber
And if you ask what happened to my dream
I shall reply: I cannot now remember.
Though what you have in mind I surely know.
And yet her face: I really don’t recall it.
I just recall I kissed long ago.
Even the kiss would have been long forgotten
If that white cloud had not been in the sky.
I know the cloud, and shall know it forever,
It was pure white and, oh, so very high.
Perhaps the plum trees still are there and blooming.
Perhaps that woman has six children too.
But that white cloud bloomed only for a moment:
When I looked up, it vanished in the blue.
……
An jenem Tag im blauen Mond September
Still unter einem jungen Pflaumenbaum
Da hielt ich sie, die stille bleiche Liebe
In meinem Arm wie einen holden Traum.
Und über uns im schönen Sommerhimmel
War eine Wolke, die ich lange sah
Sie war sehr weiß und ungeheuer oben
Und als ich aufsah, war sie nimmer da.
Seit jenem Tag sind viele, viele Monde
Geschwommen still hinunter und vorbei
Die Pflaumenbäume sind wohl abgehauen
Und fragst du mich, was mit der Liebe sei?
So sag ich dir: Ich kann mich nicht erinnern.
Und doch, gewiß, ich weiß schon, was du meinst
Doch ihr Gesicht, das weiß ich wirklich nimmer
Ich weiß nur mehr: Ich küsste es dereinst.
Und auch den Kuss, ich hätt’ ihn längst vergessen
Wenn nicht die Wolke da gewesen wär
Die weiß ich noch und werd ich immer wissen
Sie war sehr weiß und kam von oben her.
Die Pflaumenbäume blühn vielleicht noch immer
Und jene Frau hat jetzt vielleicht das siebte Kind
Doch jene Wolke blühte nur Minuten
Und als ich aufsah, schwand sie schon im Wind.
…………..
I hope and expect all older people have similar poems in their heart
anyway, it’s pretty.
Mr P
Thanks so much, a beautiful poem and song
https://youtu.be/96giyTZS3CI
David Bowie’s enjoyable rendition
Mr P
When you make your way up the wooden stairs tonight, hum that tune, look out at the stars and sleep with a smile on your face.
That in the midst of madness there are moments of joy.
This academic study of blood donations in America, suggest covid was in the US before January 2020.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
UK
Health Minister says we have no duty of care for the unvaccinated, suggesting denial of healthcare NHS services.
4 BA pilots die suddenly within last 7 days. 85% of BA pilots have been vaccinated. Rumours that BA in consultation with govt. re consequences for airline traffic.
Planning evidence:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1405329638960898048
Interesting video about blood cells before and after mrna jab
https://odysee.com/@sarahwestall:0/blood-images-final:9?src=embed
Tomsen,
I agree with you that ecology has been politicized. Ecology in and of itself is the reason-based systems analysis of natural habitats, and it is non-political. This is the sense in which I use the word.
Its ok. Its just important to know ;-).