by Ramin Mazaheri for The Saker Blog
The differences in handling the recent protests in Hong Kong and the weekly demonstrations in France illuminate an enormous democratic deficit between Western “liberal democratic” societies and non-Western “socialist democratic” ones.
It has been amazing to see how quickly the Hong Kong government – which under the “one country, two systems” system largely means the Chinese government (Hong Kong is officially a part of China) – acquiesced to public opinion after just two days of moderately-violent protests.
I am shocked. This is not because I falsely perceive Hong Kong or China as “anti-democratic”, but because every Saturday for months I have been dodging tear gas and rubber bullets in France. Hong Kong’s government backed down after barely more than a week of regular protests in the capital, whereas France has been unwilling to appease a protest movement which has lasted over seven months.
Almost immediately after protests turned violent, Hong Kong tabled the bill which proved so divisive, and their leader even apologised with the “utmost sincerity and humility”. What a contrast to French President Emmanuel Macron: Not only has Macron never apologised, but he did not even utter the words “Yellow Vests” in public until late April. His Interior Ministry can only be counted on to routinely remind Yellow Vests that they have “no regrets” about how the protests have been officially handled.
Hong Kong police reported that 150 tear gas canisters, several rounds of rubber bullets, and 20 beanbag shots were fired during the only day of serious violence. Conversely, a damning annual report this month from French police reported that 19,000 rubber bullets were fired in 2018 (up 200% from 2017), as were 5,400 shock grenades (up 300%).
Two things are appalling here: Firstly, the French government fired – at their own people, mostly for protesting neoliberal austerity – over 6,000 rubber bullets and 1,500 shock grenades in 2017. Shockingly violent protests were “normal” in France long before the Yellow Vests. Second: The Yellow Vests didn’t arrive until the final 6 weeks of 2018 – therefore, the increases and totals for 2019 will likely be 4-5 times than the already huge increases in 2018.
The latest tallies count 72 injuries and 30 arrests in Hong Kong – it was shock over this heavy-handed policing which led to the government’s intelligent move to restore order and democratic calm.
In France, the casualty figures are catastrophic: 850 serious injuries, 300 head injuries, 30 mutilations (loss of eye, hand or testicle). Someone passed out or vomiting is not counted as a “serious injury”, but if we included those hurt by tear gas, water cannons and police truncheons the number of injuries would undoubtedly approach six figures, as astronomical as that figure sounds. As far as arrests, France was at 9,000 on March 24, with nearly half receiving prison sentences. However, this count was announced before new, repressive orders were given to arrest democratic protesters even faster (more on this shortly). After interviewing for PressTV one of the rare lawyers courageous enough to openly criticise a French legal system which is obviously not “independent”, I estimate that over 2,000 Yellow Vests have already become political prisoners. More are obviously awaiting their trial, and more trials will obviously be convened.
Western mainstream media coverage of the two events is best described by a (modified) French saying: “one weight, two measures”. Hong Kongers are “freedom fighters” against a “tyrannical” and “totalitarian” Chinese system, whereas Yellow Vesters are routinely slurred in the West as thugs, anti-Semites and insensible anarchists.
Western media has no problem printing the turnout numbers of organisers… when it comes to Hong Kong. The Yellow Vests self-reported “Yellow Number”, and the turnout count of a courageous, openly anti-Macron police union were routinely ignored by the Mainstream Media until mid-April (here is Wikipedia’s tally of all three estimates, in French).
However, finally printing crowd counts from sources other than the (obviously self-interested) French Interior Ministry was clearly in keeping with the anti-Yellow Vest Mainstream Media: starting on March 23, France began deploying the military against French protesters, banning protests in urban centres nationwide (bans in rural areas began in early May), gave shocking orders for cops to “engage” (that is, “attack”) protesters, and also gave orders to make arrests more rapidly. Therefore, the outdated count of 9,000 could easily be vastly higher.
All the repression achieved what it was obviously intended to: scare French anti-government protesters away. Weekly protests averaged a quarter million people from January 1 until mid-March (cop union estimates), but after the harsh repression was announced until today protests averaged only 65,000 brave souls.
Western “independent” (and always-saintly) NGOs are no better than Western media: In a report released in late March, US-based Human Rights Watch had issued 131 articles, reports and statements on Venezuela – zero on France. The NGO is still totally silent on French repression.
Perhaps the most important question is: what are the protests about? On this issue there is also a huge difference: The protests in Hong Kong are over a law to extradite criminals, whereas in France the protests are over the criminal lack of public opinion in formulating public policy.
Those primarily threatened by Hong Kong’s law are financial criminals, as the island’s primary economic function is to serve as an England-dictated tax haven. This explains why “exposed” tycoons are now rushing their wealth out of Hong Kong. Perhaps the primary initial complaint was that the law would damage Hong Kong’s “business climate”, which is undoubtedly why Western media – so supportive of neo-imperialism and rapacious neoliberal business practices – was so very opposed to the bill and so very supportive of the protesters.
Those primarily targeted by the Yellow Vests are also financial criminals – the anti-patriotic French bankers, politicians and journalists who have colluded to create a “Lost Decade” of economic growth even worse than either of Japan’s two examples. This decade of near-recession is being dramatically compounded by Francois Hollande’s and Macron’s executive decrees and socioeconomic “deforms” which are gutting France’s social safety net, working conditions and France’s tradition of being the only Western neo-imperialist nation which pursued relatively egalitarian economic policies (only domestically, of course).
So what can we learn from this comparison? We can fairly say that the differences are “cultural”, which is to say that they are linked to and produced by their political values.
On one hand we have Hong Kong’s Beijing-tied government – China operates on a “socialist democratic” model. The structure of their government, one easily finds from reading their constitution, has been deeply influenced by the early 20th century ideals of anti-imperialism and class struggle.
China has emphatically rejected the Western “liberal democratic” model, incarnated by France, which remains rooted in aristocratic, 18th century ideals, and which necessarily lacks the modern ideals of economic equality, gender and minority equality, democratic equality and the ability to prevent an oligarchic rule of the “1%”.
When it comes to China, Hong Kong and France, the numbers and data are so overwhelmingly one-sided that not much ink needs to be spilled in this column to draw the obvious conclusion: China’s socialist democratic system is obviously far, far more democratic than France’s.
The Chinese and Hong Kong model of democracy is far more responsive to the will of public opinion, and to the fundamental needs of their public, than France’s outdated, aristocratic, and fundamentally anti-democratic political system.
Perhaps this was not the case 100 years ago, but it is clearly the case in 2019.
However, much, much ink from other pens should be spilled to broadcast this conclusion, especially in hypocritical and deluded Western newsrooms.
Ramin Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. He is the author of “I’ll Ruin Everything You Are: Ending Western Propaganda on Red China”.
Let time take its toll in France.
What ever macron does wont work. The motherland of ”democracy”” will show up it true face: a fierce animalesque dictatorship.
Just ask the Algerians. Remember the October 17, 1961 massacre in Paris, where 300 Algerians were beaten to death by the cops, or drowned when thrown into the Seine. Completely air-brushed from history, too, once totally denied, then simply forgotten. There are Really Existing Western Moral Values in action. Needless to say, no-one was ever held responsible.
Hi Mulga,
Truly a pleasure to read your comments, especially the most Mumblebrained ones, LOL.
That massacre is commemorated every year, and I cover it annually for PressTV. The only time I recall there being more than 1 French/Western media was for the 50th anniversary in 2011. Usually there are none.
But thanks for bringing it up – quite an important massacre, which we should not forget. Bloodiest day in Paris since the French Revolution.
Thanks, Ramin. I love your writings, and those on the Cultural Revolution in China in particular. Did you ever read Alberto Moravia’s book on the GPCR, The Red Book and the Great Wall?
Mulga and Ramin; Thank you both for pointing that horrible event of 1961 out to me. I am compelled to feel that this is a sick ongoing cultural heritage of what I consider one of the worst features in French history. That being the Catholic slaughter of protestants during the St Bartholemew’s day massacre back during the religious struggles between Catholic and Protestant.
As far as I can see this is, in significant part, a consequence of the French mind’s ongoing entrapment in Catholic reactionary dogma that has led them to so many failures and defeats in later years. I believe the Catholic mind is its own insulation against the French ideal of enlightenment. Therefore I think we do ourselves a great disservice by letting the Catholic mind off the hook for all of the sick reactionary bullshit it keeps perpetuating. Look at how their catholic bourgeoise is so caught up in Macron’s imperial denial game. They truly make themselves easy prey for a higher protestant form of mental conquest. Your thoughts?
Snow, as part of this country, (if you can still call it that)Austfailia’s descent into Hell, we are currently undergoing a real frenzy of homophobic hatred, portrayed as ‘Freedom of Religion’. Apparently, for Rightist bigots, still furious that queer matrimony was allowed after a plebiscite designed to thwart it, hatred of gays (and, incidentally of philanderers, gamblers and others)and the desire to see them suffer the torments of Hell for all Eternity, unless they change their very nature, is a true expression of the religion of Jesus of Nazareth and Francis of Assisi.
It is, of course, really the Judaism of the Torah, that text-book of hatred, descriptions and celebrations of genocide ‘..down to the last suckling babe’ and capital punishment for crimes like being an unfaithful son etc. The litany of other ‘crimes’ thus denounced by Bronze Age God-botherers and latter-day, sadly brainwashed, Polynesian footballers, is never so thoroughly vilified and attacked as are the gays. Hate speech and vicious hate-mongering have long been defined by the Right here, and the Murdoch cancer in particular (a partial list of those subjected to hate-mongering by the Murdochites, incessantly and for decades, includes refugees, Moslems, the Indigenous, unionists, environmentalists, welfare recipients, the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Palestinians, Jeremy Corbyn, the BDS movement, ‘socialists’, ‘do-gooders’, ‘the morally vain’, and anyone who dares stand up to the Evil of Murdochism etc), as the very essence of Free Speech, and it performs its role perfectly. That, of course, is to raise the general atmosphere of hatred and rancour in society, because the Right likes it that way, because they hate other people, not to forget each other and, often enough, themselves, and because they believe that an atmosphere of generalised hatred suits them, politically, ideologically and economically. Compassion, or Russell’s desired ‘kindheartedness’ is anathema.
Mulga – Being from New Zealand originally I have always thought of Australians as puffed up ego maniacs. And have little time for their gross insensitivity. The former leader of Singapore, I am informed, calls them the white trash of Asia. Their male centric ego mania makes them ideal prey, as far as I can see, for the extreme of fear driven patriarchal reaction which you describe so eloquently. The Judiac tradition of cruel judgement just slots into their egomania perfectly and makes them ugly and offensive to all forms of sensitivity. Murdock I agree is a perfect example. The really weird thing is that they make the Americans look good. I could say lots more of a critical vein but sufficient to say I completely understand how you feel and wonder how you keep your sanity staying amongst it all. Do you ever feel tempted to escape Austfaliure? I silly question perhaps. Your socialist intelligence is a shining example to me to not judge all people by generalization. I look forward to our continuing solidarity.
Fair enough, Snow. Like every society, we have good people aplenty, if considerably fewer, I would say, than when I was young. At that time the generations of our fathers and grandfathers were the veterans of the World Wars, Depression and, in my family at least, the Russian Revolution, and they were intelligent, informed and noble individuals in the main.
However I soon became acquainted with the other types, the lower middle-class ‘small businessmen’, sadistic school-teachers, religious bigots, ‘conservatives’, brainwashed ‘anti-communists’ etc. Of course I encountered many good teachers, real Christians and plenty of old Commo unionists and seafarers, as well, but there was a very definite bifurcation in human souls that was plain enough to see.
Unfortunately, in the years since the Whitlam Government, our best ever, was destroyed by the USA, the local Right and the first oil shock, in 1975, the scum element has tightened its grip on society. First came the sell-out to neoliberalism of Hawke and Keating, so-called ‘Labor’ proto-Blairites, then the racist, reactionary, war criminal Howard regime, and a farrago of swine and incompetent imbeciles ever since. The country has built up a shite-load of bad, bad, karma, treating the Indigenous foully, decade after decade, joining in every US Imperial genocide with relish, trashing the environment of the country and the planet as a whole, promoting and protecting the worst religious bigots, while traducing the better believers as ‘morally vain’ or ‘do-gooders’, and drowning the country in debt as inequality, poverty and homelessness all go through the roof. And Nemesis is knocking hard at the door. The Great Barrier Reef is dying, megafires rage every summer, and even, now, start in late winter, one in 2000 year floods inundate cities, other ‘inland seas’ drown hundreds of thousands of cattle, trapped by fences, and our puny inland rivers dry up, their waters stolen by cotton growers in cahoots with one hard Right regime or another, and millions of fish die, gasping for oxygen. It has been quite an experience watching a country go stark, raving, suicidally, insane just in one lifetime, but that’s our Fate I fear.
Yes Mulga; But it is really not as bad as the current situation makes it appear. We are passing through a time ruled by Satan’s resistance to the Christ force. This is a spiritual understanding beyond the political perspective. However it is real and verifiable. We have had the life experience of living through the rising of the Satan reaction to the emergence of the Christ force. That lasts according to my reading from the Reagan Thatcher era reaction against the 1960’s and takes its time from 1980 until Christ And Satan collide in the post 2020 era. We don’t have long to wait for the drama to begin. The darkness has now had the last of its total sway and is about to collapse into a real dawn. Just look at the collapse of the English establishment with its sick new Prime Minister. It presages a great apocalyptic ending of the European capitalist system. Drama begins next year.
There is a cosmic balance we are living through. I see our task as being to bring this all into political awareness.
This can be found to a large extent in the works of Carl Jung and the spiritual teachers who work in that domain.
You may find this difficult to trust. I respect and honor that. But I speak from the authority of a lifetime’s research here and feel I am on solid ground. However just watch what Trump does to bring the empire down with the help of his collision with Iran and China in the coming year. In his mad inadequacy Trump is as the Saker acknowledges dialectically serving world transformation. He is blindly backing his way into our socialist future. Evolution is working through his poverty. Far more richly than the political world knows how to measure. For world drama we ain’t seen nothing yet. I think you are going to love it. Keep an eye out and see if this is so. Trust the process of evolution is what I always say.
I honor the quality of your heart and so enjoy the truth of all your words Let’s keep talking. It works delightfully for me. I hope for you also.
I agree that there is a conflict within humanity between Evil and the Good. You call it the Christ force, and Jesus of Nazareth was decidedly one of its greatest teachers, but there have been many others. The Buddha, Lao Zi, Mo Zi, various Indian gurus, the Indigenous wise men and women, Gandhiji, and cultural giants like Beethoven all preached the Good, which is, I would say, basically ‘Do unto others as you would have done to yourself’, which is more or less word for word the teaching of Confucius. The Evil are psychopaths, even when claiming ‘religious’ conviction, as Pence and Pompeo attest. They have created an operating system, capitalism, that is innately destructive, therefore Evil, and it promotes the psychopath as the ideal human type. It has to go, or humanity does.
What I call the Christ force is the totality of the intention within all the great teachers you mention. It is not a personal label but a cosmic energy. And that great force makes sure that evil does go and it will go – lets not lose sight of that Mulga. However at the height of its going it rises to its most ugly and repressive visage. This signals its imminent departure surely. Evil always exhausts itself eventually. And in so doing reveals itself most forcefully. That is a sign of its going. It is no longer insidious. It is too obvious to maintain. It feels to me that we are on the verge of something comparable to the collapse of the evil Catholic empire about 500 years ago. Remember when they were selling indulgences and grinding the spirit of Christianity to dust. Then along came the Lutheran revolution and the empire began its fall. We can deal with it comrade. It will be a pleasure to track it down with you and enjoy its passing.
The author of ‘The Patterning Instinct’, Jeremy Lent, believes we are on the cusp of a Great Transformation, akin to that from hunter-gather groups to settled agricultural societies. We either leave behind the patterns of thinking and acting that have culminated in the omnicidal horrors of neoliberalism, ‘Western Civilization’, rugged individualism and Judeo-Christian ‘moral values’ and create an ‘ecological civilization’ (the term the Chinese use as well)or we will disappear, pronto. He seems quite optimistic, but the Fermi Paradox seems to makes the odds heavily on the side of failure. Here’s hoping, but when I watch our current vile, vicious, psychopathic and insanely incompetent Federal regime here in Austfailia, at work, day after day, tormenting and vilifying refugees, attacking the weak and poor at every opportunity, slandering China with increasing derangement (while taking their money)and, now, inevitably, bringing their God-bothering imbecility into public view with declarations that the PM (a Pentecostal like Bolsonaro)was ‘praying for’ someone or other, I feel my optimism, never great, ebbing away.
“La Chronique du temps de Charles IX” – Prosper Mérimée’s
historical novel, set at the French court at the time of the St.
Bartholomew’s day massacre in 1572.
I read this novel many years ago in German, entitled
“Die Bartholomäusnacht”.
Prosper Mérimée
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosper_M%C3%A9rim%C3%A9e#Novellas
St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre
France has been catholic for 1500 years, and didn’t only suffer “failures and defeats” during that period…
Also, Saint-Barthelemy was mainly a political decision, that turned ugly. The king was about to be deposed by the catholic party for his appeasement policy, and decided to prove he was more catholic than the Catholics (De Guise party), by triggering the massacre.
Yes, but China has no indpendent legal system – thus the riots, and they are Communists !!!!!
Well, ahem, Germany has been warned again by the EUGH (The European Court) that the judicative branch is NOT independent, thus Germany is not allowed to write European-Police warrants anymore.
France as far as I know is still ruled by Emergency Law.
But Hey, THAT is all for more democracy somewhere in the future ! Currently the anti-democratic forces must first be dealt with together with the climate hoax deniers – the dark forces which threaten Democracy and Liberty, but after that all will be good – because their intentions are good, and they are the Good (just believe me !) !
Did I pass the Western Democracy test ?
And all judges appointed by the Federal regime in the USA are judged according to the ideological reliability as Democrats or Republicans. And it is openly spoken of, yet the idiot pretense of Rule of Law still pertains. Rule of Money, nothing else, in politics, business, social relations and ‘the Law’.
2c –
China is not communist and arguably, never have been.
It was a message-propaganda-dream sold-shared with the people at the time of WW.
People then needed hope, being slaughter like animals, by the invaders,
that though they have nothing, what is being claimed back will be share with the people.
That’s was the deal.
Obviously- those who study this communist idea and the real experiment that was done,
human nature, at the current vibration and history-social conditioning, does not allow it.
We don’t believe life and universe and the creation is abundant and ever lasting.
Just look at our our poor mortal body and instinctively and unconsciously, we admit, we need to grab, grab, grab. Thus spun all kinds of doctrine, religion, theologies, belief systems, social construct etc… whatever became our daily life and norms.
Yet we are, somehow, inspire to share, share, share, once we realised and educated to know, we are not the body, and this trip is not ‘THE ONE and THE LAST ONE’. There is no reason to steal, kill, destroy like there is no tomorrow, like I, THE GREAT “I” deserve it all and demand it all.
So looping back to the china-political-legal-system,
I personally, and I could be so wrong, think the NEW and IMPROVED china legal system is the champion of human rights and real personal sovereignty.
I see that, the much talked about, Credit Social Scores, is simply brilliant. For a start, it was NOT instituted by the gov. The Gov actually was reluctant to do it fearing backslash and bad name. It was done by a bunch of legal scholars and the legal admins-branch in China. Of course, CCP was consulted and informed of the whole thing. But they cannot launch it as a private system (like Alibaba did with their money-payment system also based on social likeability-scores or in FB term “LIKES” and ‘SUBSCRIBE”) and needed it to roll out as the gov system nationwide. This is where the China gov step in and took the role. The system is meant for common people to make complains about others who has done wrong to them, regardless of their social status or how much money they have in their bank. That makes everyone EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. The gov is tasked to carried out the demerit ‘punishment’ to change the negative behaviour. Yes, it has some 1984-element feel to it, but does not your schooling system, your legal system, your election process, all marketing and fashion showbiz, even in your movie, everything in your free country uses that kind of Pavlovian conditioning?!
But I admit, as they were expecting too, the system in the early stage will be abused, by all parties, common people, business, and gov official, may use it for their personal gains. And China being China, there is just too many people to judge each individual case. To resolve that, I heard they are ramping up training in each village-province, to have their own local semi-legal council while nudging for them to modify their behaviour to ‘Peace under Heaven Mandate’, perhaps with a Marxist-Confucius Blend-Flavour. China is definitely trying new things!
Bottom line, China today is not the propaganda image the west has burn in the minds of its population for decades for now. All east-west conflict aside, The Dragon (and its people) has indeed awaken. Not even the CCP can stop it and they know it!
Just 2c from a different point of view… Peace
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I have no deep insight into China’s legal system, but what I know is that the Chinese by sheer will and determination managed to build up their nation from almost scratch, honestly, with their OWN hands.
Xi Jinping is one of their greatest, I have only utmost respect and the greatest sympathy for him and the people of China !!!
May their achievement be an example for others to break the chains of the evil empire !
‘The Chinese and Hong Kong model of democracy is far more responsive to the will of public opinion, and to the fundamental needs of their public, than France’s outdated, aristocratic, and fundamentally anti-democratic political system.’
Pass the word. The mainstream definition of ‘democracy’ is ‘what we do.’ In practice, it has nothing whatever to do with democracy.
China, no matter how you slice it–constitutionally, electively, popularly, procedurally, operationally, performatively, financially–even theocratically–is democratic. The US is not.
In survey after survey, it’s the most trusted government in the world and its policies enjoy the highest support. Don’t believe me? Read ‘Selling Democracy to the Chinese’ https://www.unz.com/article/selling-democracy-to-china/.
I regard the brainwashed devotion of the masses in the West to their ‘democracy’ farce the greatest triumph of mass indoctrination in history. Western democracy is an almost complete contradiction in terms, in my opinion at least.
Democracy, to start from the root, is totally impossible in a neoliberal capitalist regime. In such states the only real power is the money power of the rich, and it is increasingly concentrated in ever fewer hands. The Market rules EVERYTHING. Everything in life is commodified, even social relations, health, well-being and life itself. All existence is reduced to the sordid calculus of profit and loss, mediated by ‘Market Power’ which is always simply a question of money power.
This commodification has seen the Market consume everything in existence, including the State, politics, social relations and even the biological basis of Life on Earth. No value system is tolerated but that of gain, preferably at the expense of others (as Gore Vidal observed, ‘Success is not enough-others must fail’)and the ‘war of all against all’ is declared to be ‘democratic vibrancy’. Such a system must fear and hate a different social and economic order, one based in a non-Western, non-JudeoChristian, non-Caucasian civilization vastly older and more resilient, and more truly spiritually aware, than its own. The Chinese are prepared, as ever, to live in harmony, both within, and with other states, but the West is not. The Great White Man, the Gods Upon the Earth, the Chosen Ones, MUST rule, everywhere, with Full Spectrum Dominance. It’s God’s Will. Hence the mounting frenzy of hatred, much of it nakedly racist and culturally supremacist and contemptuous, and aggression targeting China, and the fury of hate propaganda. It must, and will, end in war launched by the USA leading the West. They know no other way to exist.
@Mulga Mumblebrain
“as Gore Vidal observed, ‘Success is not enough-others must fail'”
If any society has reached that level, you know it has vanished behind the event horizon of insanity. The only thing left to do then is to devour oneself. What remains is a monument, a relic – remarkably similar to the one we produce in the shit house.
I’ve always wondered why the Americans used the word ‘shit’ all the time when I was a kid, now I finally found out why – remarkable times !!
Dear me. Ramin you must know that the facts are ‘anti-Western’ or ‘antisemitic’ or ‘anti-American’, surely. These (in France) are ‘freedom grenades’ or ‘liberal grenades’ or ‘Western moral value grenades’, whereas the Hong Kong ones were ‘Commie’, ‘Yellow Peril’ or ‘totalitarian’ grenades. I’m afraid your job application to work in the ‘Free Press’ will be declined.
“The differences in handling the recent protests in Hong Kong and the weekly demonstrations in France illuminate an enormous democratic deficit between Western “liberal democratic” societies and non-Western “socialist democratic” ones.”
A polite way of putting it. ;-D
The differences show the difference between zionazi-gay/usual far right fare (as always, quislings/gofers) and that of human beings.
How about ‘civilization’, most Hong-Kongers are rich, by the fact that they’re in HK, but they’re civilized, and they respect the police, and for that matter cops tend not to be armed, and more often than not HK police tend to be very attractive females.
Confucianism is about respect.
Now jump back to France the cops are assholes and proles are pissed.
You simply cannot compare a protest in HK with a protest in Paris, I don’t see anybody in HK trying to burn the city down, and also its very hard to become a cop in HK, the tests and IQ are horrendous, its a very respectable job.
In France being a cop, means that your owned by Israel, and everybody knows it, just like Blade-Runner, if your not a rich zionist in France ( think Macron ), then your just COP or LITTLE-PEOPLE.
So please folks remember that Asians were civilized some +4,000 years ago, and Caucasians were still selling human flesh at markets in 1050, and some would offer if you traveled in much of the white hair-lip world that the majority of Caucasians are still not civilized. Most rural USA is meth country, and certainly most of Australia is no different than Appalachia, and the mountain tribes of France that descended into the Paris to raise hell, didn’t go to give the cops flowers.
If anything France is a Bellwether for Zionist management of ‘Wild Goy’, in Australia they’re called Feral’s.
Watch closely how French-Zionsist’s manage their herds,
A great culling is coming, this is all you need know.
Thank you very much, Mr Mazaheri, for a most eloquent article.
I don’t agree with the following paragraph though.
“Perhaps the primary initial complaint was that the law would damage Hong Kong’s “business climate”, which is undoubtedly why Western media … was so very opposed to the bill and so very supportive of the protesters.”
The fifth column in Hong Kong and the Western media are opposed to the bill not mainly because of what it says. Opposition to it has just been a way of stirring up anti-Chinese sentiments and a local if watered down version of a colour revolution. They can always count on the crowd in Hong Kong whose mind is thoroughly colonized for support.
it might encourage geopolitical pundits to brush ”china” the perceived image in their own mind ,with favourable colours,just cause ‘china’ stands against the ‘west’ which they hold in derision comparatively .But TRUTH is actually stranger than fiction and illusions,do any of you here read and speak the many dialects of that diverse country,never mind the diverse culture and religion and how they hate the ‘central planners”?
china, as perceived favourably is the true wet dream of the evil globalist,make no mistake ,the ordinary people in geographical china has no say what so ever on how they are governed,the power of the internet web has turned into bars of a huge prison ,you can decorate the prison as much as possible but beware do not envy the people behind it.It is getting darker as the vernacular chinese folks writings, poems and dreams are disappeared !
am reminded of an old joke,…”three very saintly preachers from three very dissimilar cultural background disappointed by failure to bring peace and order among their folks ,decided to call upon the power behind hell and heaven to reveal to them the the ACTUAL truth, than they having witnessed the truth than can preach more persuasively and turn the tide.,to this end they held a ritual of abstinence and fasting and prayed day in and day out for forty days,finally their prayers were answered the ‘central controllers’ of pearly gate, had enough of this constant nagging so they proclaimed ,”ok guys tell your idiot folks you are going to die for seven days, three days in heaven and four days in hell and than you will be revived,this should be proof enough for your village idiots”,lord and behold the whole world was energised by this glad tiding of great news,so the saints all died and their bodies were kept in good condition.The stay in heaven was pleasant with great food ,dialogue,meditations and sane parties ,the stay in hell was astounding ,there was parties all day all nights,food and wines flowed freely fulfilment of any kind of desire whatsoever was bestowed on them,there was no fire and brimstone on sight!.On returning to their earthly bodies they announced ,”hey guys and gals enjoy as you wish for there is not much difference in hell or heaven”,well as expected wide disorder ensued as before when everyone was only living for themselves ,only now they had them preachers in tow.But sadly the wild living was not kind to the earth bodies and the three ex saints died sooner than would be normal ,and shortly found themselves in ,fire and brimstone, wiped and beaten violently so they asked the devils,”hey wait a second the last time we were here we had a great time we want our rights to go to the true hell”,needless to say the devils laughed out loud and screamed,”of course you were just tourists than, how do you expect of us”…
the motto of the story is ,the grass is always greener on the other side, and the devil you know maybe better than the devil you don’t know….have a nice day guys beware the ,”we vs them” kool aide sold with varying labels by pundits of all kind.
Your old joke is very funny :)
But if you can govern the governing body to govern you, what don’t you just govern yourself?
Or –
Should we be done with all government? And be sovereign unto ourselves? We, each as our own country or label or entity?!
How does your worldview propose we should be ‘govern’?
Just curios
Governing by the laws of nature is the only sustainable way to govern. The problem there is that it is very politically offensive to raise these issues with people who are in perpetual denial and would rather fight to the death to defend their failed beliefs than have a change of heart.
So, you are saying that what you regard as “Laws of Nature” are your own beliefs, and that everyone must convert to match your beliefs. But of course, they regard their beliefs also as “Laws of Nature” and don’t really like your beliefs. So, now everyone start fighting, beating and killing each other, in the name of their God, who in most cases tried to say Please Stop Killing Each Other.
On our planet one dominant group’s ‘Laws of Nature’ are based on exploitation of the natural world that is seen as subservient to humanity, with no rights of its own even to continued existence if the ‘human beings’ see profit in destroying it. Other people are seen in precisely the same xenophobic and antagonistic fashion, as competition at best, but as ‘the enemy’ more often.
This group sees violence as a useful tool, so long as they come out on top. They exist in a very structured hierarchy where the top dogs enjoy vast wealth and privilege, and the ‘losers’ live among filth, diseases and human faeces. They have no inclination to restrict their greed now to protect the lives of future generations, even their own spawn, who are generally seen as nothing but property, ego-projections and trophies to be shown off.
The other type of humanity sees Life as not just a wholly individual, atomised and competitive experience, but as a collective reality, with the individual’s life inextricably tied up with that of others in the extended family, communities, nations and the whole world. Not just the living but the dead and those yet unborn. And not just humanity but all the other members of the web of Life on Earth, the animals, the plants, the fungi, even the rocks, winds, seas and every other thing created and congregated on this lonely outpost in a silent Universe.
The two types of societies and peoples created by these ways of seeing existence are utterly antithetical. One created God in its image, or see themselves as God, in one particular sect. The other sees Life as supreme, and the harmony between all the facets of existence as being as close to the Godhead as we get. The two represent, in my opinion, Good and Evil, although the Evil do not always act knowingly to further Evil. They are just so brainwashed, and the punishments for apostasy are so great, that they literally see Evil acts as Good, simply because they and their leaders commit them. What is playing out on Earth at present is a battle between Good and Evil, and if Evil prevails, we are finished. It’s as simple as that. To paraphrase Churchill, if the Devil himself was against ‘neoliberal Free Market democracy and Western Moral Values’ I would enlist in Hell post haste.
Well over a long enough span of time one of these “beliefs” are going to trump the others beliefs and emerge the victor. The laws of nature do not discriminate over state lines or country’s borders as does defective human law.
The span of time was reached long ago and the conclusion(s) were drawn, you don’t have to agree with my vision of them,(or my vision of god) but don’t get upset when you fall victim to them and I have no sympathy for you. This is all i’m saying.
Proper education and a reasonable sense of direction would allow you to follow them as easily as I do and then there would be no wars.
just saying we should not profess to speak for the ordinary chinese people,
curious?…well it won’t get us far, but if one is serious it is easy enough to see.First stop hoping that some kind of new system , group,state player or ideas will bring peace and harmony to humanity in this world,for millennia all kind of systems have failed miserably ,we are still being ruled by modern pharaohs.Especially so religious system of all shades and colour, that some dead man 2000 years or 600 years ago will come back and deliver us into living heaven,religions has killed more man than any other system in the name of god.Nature created man but man created religions to rule over others,The romans prayed to their gods for blessings before eliminating them,now proud pomeo of a state man ,states without blushing that trump is send by god to bring peace to modern mesopotamia .God is the ultimate excuse for holocousting unruly groups.Technologies or AI will not save us either from our miseries ,as all these are tools of our modern pharaohs ,just see how google is tooling the social credit system in china.Man has walked on the moon, dang i meant an ‘american’ has walked but there are still millions living and dying in poverty on earth.
i guess first, we the ordinary men and women need to be free from all narratives of we versus them meme.The individuals will act holistically regardless of the outcome ,standing alone can see clearly things as they reallyare , having no other goal than complete peace and prosperity has neither fear.Fear is ultimate cause of violence.The individuals has no need to govern others or to be governed , speaks his/her mind ,he/she says what he/she means and means what he/she says.BEING free can’t be used or played by others let alone state players..
as things stands, in all nations of this world, the ordinary man is but a slave,he has only two choices either play along to be discarded at the end or revolt and be victimised .Presently, bankers petro dollars and forever war mongers make the rules,not the state player or the politicians they are just tools or parts in the scheme.The mullahs who want to rule the mideast are as mad as the neocons or the zionists they are just players in the big game,the pundits have a short memory, the ayatollah enjoyed french hospitality as did pol pot ,putin might be the only outsider…but alas he aint mighty….BUT as said, be on no ones side.and that is the only sane way to live, seek no government or to be governed by anyone.Why this strange need to be governed?anyway?is this not the open gate by which totalirism of all shades enter the mind of men,never mind in what uniform it wears,democracy ,communism,religious and what not….have a nice day.
Peace. Had a long reply, which I thought was good…
but the mods must have disagree – Must be something thorny and pointy there… RESPECT mods!
Anyhow, in short, I replied – If one (can learn to) see with a different eye, say the thrid eye, or the inner eye, or whatever eye that is beyond the usual mode and surface perception,
Maybe one would see beyond the forms and shadows of the mere 3rd dimension?!
Maybe there is more than meets the (physical) eyes?!
SO be safe there :)
Your typically Anonymouse ‘contribution’ is, in my opinion, bog standard racist, uncomprehending, Sinophobic dross. Just sayin’.
I remember in 2000, late summer, when America was having their political conventions. The Republicans were out of power, so they went first. Protesters were planning large protests both against Dubya and the Republicans, then against the neoliberal policies of the Clinton admin that was trying to hand off to Gore. Dubya was talking alot about “Compassionate Conservatism” and being against “Nation Building”, but no one believed him. So, even though people knew the Clintons were a clear and present danger, there was also the traditional large protest against the Republicans.
One night in Philadelphia, the Republican site, the police which – was a combination of a Democratic city controlled force (with a long history of racism and violence, ask Mumia), and the feds in their combined convention security operation were attacking protesters. There was one notable case at the time when one of the dissidents who was organizing some of the protests was walking down the street, talking on a cell phone. The police swooped down, grabbed him. He was charged with using a device that could be used to trigger a terrorist attack, and given something like a $1 million bail. What was really happening was that the Clintons were arresting anyone they thought would go to the Gore coronation with the big Clinton speech at the DNC in LA the next week. These people were held in jail for a week or so, then released. The next week in LA, I remember a giant police raid attacking a Rage Against The Machine free concert outside the basketball arena, so the Clinton/Gore delegates didn’t have to see or hear any protesters as they left their corporate sponsored convention hall.
I was sitting up, listening to the reports on the internet of the police attacking peaceful protesters in Philly.
Later, something made me compare what I had just heard to the Amnesty reports on repression in Evil Cuba. After a nite of the police beating and arresting American dissidents, I read the reports on how political dissidents in Cuba might be called into the police station and given a talking to. I suppose it was really a Stern Talking To, thus the human rights outrage at what was happening. I don’t think I ever saw an Amnesty report on attacking American dissidents who dare to gather outside the corporate conventions to express a different opinion. The official Human Rights defenders don’t notice when a dissident in America is charged with terror related offenses and held on million dollars worth of bail, nor the other beatings and abuses that occur.
Every cycle, the American police forces fence off bigger areas around the arenas that hold the conventions, pushing people and protesters further away. Every cycle the police attack the protesters that gather. Oh, they do have a small, heavily police monitored “Free Speech Zone” in some parking lot nearer to the convention, but still out of sight and hearing of the attendees. Occasionally a dissident asks the impertinent question about how if inside that fence the 1st Amendment actually applies to Americans, then what’s going on outside that little fenced in area?
@Abbie
Eye opening, but in no way surprising, that would have been the other way around.
As I see it all boils down to timing – it’s obvious the Pack is planning to change the landscape drastically quite soon – the trick for the resistance is to either forestall them or delay them so they are not in full control of the happenings, else you will be screwed once and forever.
They will use their paid agitators – you have to use crude mass – over 50% of Americans are not represented by any political party !!!!! Unite and you will be invincible.
‘The Chinese and Hong Kong model of democracy is far more responsive to the will of public opinion, and to the fundamental needs of their public, than France’s outdated, aristocratic, and fundamentally anti-democratic political system.’
May be. May be also the Hong Kong government didn’t feel that strong in front of those that organized this coloured “revolution”. While the french government/regime felt backed by strong enough forces to resist what was a genuinely popular revolt.
If the Yellow Vests were financed by numerous foreign agencies and private groups, in the millions, and their operatives were trained in foreign lands, where they were openly photographed with their patrons, and they were lionised in foreign propaganda rags, and the French ‘regime’ denounced as ‘repressive’ and ‘authoritarian’, and Macron as a ‘dictator’, then you would have a truer equivalence between the domestic grown Yellow Vests, and the compradore scum, aided and abetted by the US NED, various Western NGOs and the CIA fronts of Falun Gong and the Uighur terrorists, that riot in Hong Kong.
Seriously Falun-Gong roams free in HK, as well as Uighur’s,
Most of what was the HK protest was the young kids, who justifiably were scared shitless of disappearing in the night, and ending up in China for a organ-harvest party, courtesy of Israel ( target organ recipients ),
Now I happened to be in HK/Macau the weeks leading to the protests, and I can tell you that all the MSM of HK/Macau & Mainland were all 100% pro ‘black-bag’ ( disappearing at night), they’re point was that only the criminals need fear, which we all know is a western BS excuse, so if anything I can say the USA/ISRAEL/CIA was behind this idea of incarcerating people without trials and putting them into indefinite limbo ( think princess Meng Huawei )
What happened of course is that people held to their principal, to that which perhaps this freedom of NOT being black-bagged is a good thing, and who to say it doesn’t happen anyway in HK, as people disappear daily in the press, that said there are lots of HK prisons, that could act as holding sells once the light goes ‘green’.
Now to the ISSUE who pay’s? I dare say, don’t give whitey(cia) this much credit of being everywhere, as the PTB in HK spent their entire dime up to the point in getting this passed, and the USA was more than willing to also allow the same, as all party’s want to squeeze the rich and find their hidden ‘offshore wealth’.
IMHO yellow-vest were much organic, which was why it took so long to break, as there was no centralization, which is always the hallmark of CIA OPS.
I think the HK kids showed good, they stood up to the Chinese Oligarchy, and they won for now, and lets not forget that for the China mainland, HK & Macau are still golden-gooses, and only an idiot like dTrumpf would kill a golden-goose.
Lastly, talks about foreign operatives, it was just a week ago here people were bashing Vietnam & China, but no mention of Laos and their destroying the country courtesy of France nor the Foreign Legion, largely a zionist scam for the world’s mercenarys to get a French citizenship, and or ownership of 100’s of Laos teens back in the day, just watch the movie “Apocalypse Now”, for a 1960’s view of how the French held on to their colonys,and why not, every French merc was a king. Once they lost Laos they planted millions of landmines courtesy of CIA(ISRAEL) so nobody could inherit the land.
Macro is a Rothschild moron by blood silver-spoon, so what this is a known-known, but the French people were dumb enough to elect him, not unlike the USA pubic who elected dTrumpf.
Who pays for who? We know Macron is Zionism, I doubt that the Israel could muster up 10k yellow-shirts in France, which is why the MSM there spent all their capital on portraying the opposition as anti-semitic.
Back in the day in USA “Occupy” was known to be 100% CIA, and they shut it down, just as quick as they got it running, but yellow-shirts took a good six months, and 1,000’s of street pigs to stop, thus IMHO this was an organic event, and hardly another Israeli circus act.
RT’s over-10hour “Reality TV” on –
Hong Kong protesters break into the legislative council building
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TczrAqv0yk
has over 100,000 view in less than 24 hours (at time of posting)
1) What does that message to you?
2) What do you think the CCP/China will (silently) do now?
3) What does the West want and can actually get from this? Recolonise HK?! Steal the HK-er (pension-bank acc) money or the thousands and thousands tons of physical gold store in HK vault?
All comments appreciated :)
What does the West want? To ‘..bring China down’ as they have incessantly stated is their ambition for years. The Crusade on which the West, led by the USA, has expended tens of billions since 1949, financing traitors, compradores and other scum, to subvert their own societies and serve the Western Empire, as they have done across the planet for centuries. This campaign is now reaching a frantic fever pitch as China becomes, indisputably, the largest economy on Earth, with a society where extreme poverty has been abolished, where as Godfree above observed, the population is one of the most happy on Earth and science, technology, culture, infrastructure etc are all burgeoning in one of the greatest leaps forward by any society in history. These puerile brainwashed thugs, who supposedly prefer to live in a society like the UK or USA, ought to be gathered up, put on ships, and transported to their Shangri-Las, to live amidst the human faeces and syringes on the streets of LA, San Francisco or Detroit, or amidst the teeming homeless sleeping rough in the hard Brexit-bound UK. I imagine many will slowly slink back home, rather quickly.