Note: listen to what a REAL progressive/Leftist thinks of the Dems and what they represent!
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Note: listen to what a REAL progressive/Leftist thinks of the Dems and what they represent!
Also a fantastic 3 hour chat with Joe Rogan yesterday. Talk lots about Snowden, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rcLsoIKgA&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=PowerfulJRE
I watched that. It was excellent. Anyone whow doubts Glenn’s credentials as an independent journalist should take a look. Also as a decent intelligent human being.
A prelude to regime change at home?
Glenn’s quit. The question is: what took him so long? Answer: financial secruty. Now he sees it was too expensive. Good man returns.
I tried watching this video. About every 3 minutes Youtube interrupts with an ad. They even have ads on the C-SPAN video live-stream. Youtube ads are becoming quite a hassle. I hope Youtube is eventually replaced.
Try Yandex or Brave browser, both are free and have very good ad-blockers. Yandex’s you have to enable (& maybe download from the “Add-On” menu first, I forget). Plus there’s a one-click video downloader for YouTube built in.
Brave lacks that function but is otherwise the superior option—it has ad-block built in and activated by default, as part of a suite of privacy protections it calls “Shields”, which works in Private mode too (whereas Yandex’s does not.) It uses Duck Duck Go as its default search engine and is set up to access Tor with a couple of mouse clicks. I’ve been using it as my default browser for maybe 2 years now with zero problems. Pretty soon you forget YouTube ads exist until someone mentions them & reminds you.
These sound like great browsers. Thanks for the advice.
I am astonished by what is happening in my country. The media is no longer reporting news, they are now in the business of actively suppressing news.
I suppose that after four years of the Russiagate Hoax, I should not be surprised. But the sheer brazenness of the censorship which is now going on is truly astonishing.
How is the United States now much different from the old Soviet Union?
This is not really new. It is just markedly more intense and centrally organized and now being directed at the empires greatest threat. The American people. The Empires coming home and trying to build a “Death Star” in the American mass mind. They are so desperate to control the domestic narrative. Isn’t that the historical end game of empires?
“How is the United States now much different from the old Soviet Union?”
You don’t get free health care.
And education!
Mike from Jersey
What is happening in your country has been happening for years. Even the late William Colby of the CIA admitted that his Agency was supervising the US media. After that he died in a river “accident”.
News censorship is nothing new. You have it in Western Europe. However, as yet it is not as brutal and narrow minded as it is in the US, where the media filters news that comes into the US from abroad, as well as filtering news from inside the US, concentrating the public’s attention on local matters, many of which are of no real importance.
During my second stay in the US, I of course registered for cable TV and the Internet. When it was installed, I switched my TV to hear my first news from New York City. The headline news in a city of seven million people pertained to a tree which fell during a rain storm and broke the front window of a car, injuring the driver. The war in Afghanistan was not even mentioned, as if it did not exist. What kind of silly journalism is this ?
At this point I think we have to look beyond some things, I can see the public is painfully ignorant about so many things that reguardless of what is pumped from the media, they are in simply in a life or death struggle to stay happy.
Even politics has become more entertainment and discussion with a side of hope that they will turn the situation around, but their track record is going the wrong way and a strong covid is now at bat as the politician becomes nothing but the ball in this game of whos health is worse, your or mine.
The corporates world is on fire, big company’s suddenly finding themselves on the wrong of business, jet fuel refining as an example, coupled with high 11% dividend payments, are having to borrow money to pay the dividends, knowing this cant last long the prescribed solution is to first eliminate the dividend which begs the question of why invest in the stock in the second place. A rush to the exits and now the stock is close to worth less and once these company’s stock is liquidated, they dont often return for a dual performance preferring to expand in smaller, more economical ways.
So watch the political civil war from a distance knowing things can get better, but not until someone forces them to do so.
Very different. Even in the worst times of communists’ terror, (as any person educated in the West can cinfirm), people could had many things Americans do not have today and never has.
In Soviet Union people were actually taken care of by the state. Free healthcare, free education, education as a mean to climb social ladder. And free daycare. not everybody had a place to live, so they lived together. It is not as good as having own house with beautiful front yard, but at least people were not on the streets. And virtually free hydro, heat and water. Access to Pepsi and Coca Cola was limited, vinyl pop music records, fashion magazines – true, limited too. Yet, Stalin was bad. Mass murderer, with numbers provided courtesy of CIA, Sure he was, all of that. Until you hear or read the other side.
Everything West knows about Soviets is either direct propaganda concocted by – the West, or it comes from dissidents and people having something against the “regime”. The other side is censored in the west. Could it be that we are becoming “the other side” and find something good in having jobs, place to live, education, free meal at work, free meal at school and free health care.
Now, you see the difference?
Important his declaration, but Glenn is a limited hangout journalist as Pepe defines him.
He works for data monarch Pierre Omidyar who funded Brazilian Intercept. They denouced a lot of the LavaJato (carwash) scandal, but omitted important political names allegedly because they would not be important, what was an mistake.
Pepe limited hangout – never ever goes against Israel.
And you are fixated with Israel – like so many here.
And btw, Pepe does go against Israeli foreign and domestic politics
Pepe is the nickname in Hispanic countries for Jose.
Ann might know that……and be referring to the commenter…..Jose Tonolli…..and not Pepe Escobar.
But I am just hypothesizing…………
Calma, todos……el Imperio y sus eunucos se molestan…..mientras los patriotas ganan confianza!
good for Glenn – you can see he’s emotional – actually more emotional than I’ve ever seen him before – you can hear it in his voice.
take care of yourself and your loved ones.
“In the future, the Soviet Union will become like the United States, and the United States will become like the Soviet Union.” A quote I do not remember who stated it, but it was said during the 1950’s.
Jeane Dixon, anmd it was the sixties.
Right now the US is becoming more like Nazi Germany than the USSR with every passing year. Destroying foreign countries by bombing and invasion has been US foreign policy since the destruction of North Korea in 1954. The US Air Force dropped more bombs on North Korea than it did on Germany during WW2, killing 10% of their population.
I had a Russian/Soviet Studies prof. who said the same thing in the 80’s. Sam Kassow.
Good to see a journalist feel the true taste of freedom of the press.
I would never defer to Glenn or any of his colleagues to shed any truth. Their articles reek of their own ideologies and prejudices. But I understand his frustrations…
Still, if NYT is guilty of narrative molding and story telling instead of news reporting, so is the intercept or guardian or any other organizations Glenn has been associated with.
Feel sorry as a human for another human for Glenn. But there are many others I feel sorry for too who never got the chance at a mega horn as Glenn did.
If you are a fan of Glenn, what happened is a loss. If not, bleh … I think there are much more important things going on elsewhere…
Glen Greenwald is a great liar – a deep state asset https://theintercept.com/2020/06/11/the-abrupt-radical-reversal-in-how-public-health-experts-now-speak-about-the-coronavirus-and-mass-gatherings/
“And yet, in very stark contrast to the vehement denunciations from public health experts of prior protests or out-of-the-home activities of any kind, virtually no prominent experts have denounced any of this on the ground that it will spread the coronavirus and ultimately kill more people (even though that is highly likely to happen). To the contrary, many infectious disease experts have done the exact opposite: they have endorsed and encouraged these mass street protests, claiming not that their support for them is grounded in their political values but in their health and scientific judgment. As the journalist Thomas Chatterton Williams put it in an outstanding Guardian op-ed on this question, headlined “We often accuse the right of distorting science. But the left changed the coronavirus narrative overnight”:
This feels like gaslighting. Less than two weeks ago, the enlightened position in both Europe and America was to exercise nothing less than extreme caution. Many of us went much further, taking to social media to castigate others for insufficient social distancing or neglecting to wear masks or daring to believe they could maintain some semblance of a normal life during coronavirus. At the end of April, when the state of Georgia moved to end its lockdown, the Atlantic ran an article with the headline “Georgia’s Experiment in Human Sacrifice”. Two weeks ago we shamed people for being in the street; today we shame them for not being in the street.”
Here is that theAtlantic article https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/why-georgia-reopening-coronavirus-pandemic/610882/
“Kemp’s move to reopen was condemned by scientists, high-ranking Republicans from his own state, and Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms; it even drew a public rebuke from President Donald Trump, who had reportedly approved the measures before distancing himself from the governor amid the backlash.”
Glenn has rightly contested this censorship at the Intercept, but in reality Omidyar’s pet journalism project has always been compromised. I quit reading the Intercept when they began actively promoting the ‘White Helmets’.
The story here is the active suppression of the questions around or crimes of the Biden family by the Intercept. And Greenwald is to be lauded for making this public from his very compromised publication.
But there is something that happens these days .. because he does this one thing which is a good thing, he is suddenly lauded for being a truth teller and an all-round good guy. That is questionable and I always have reservations on his work. Bear in mind that he was the one that was going to publish the Snowden material and up to date, years later, we have about 3% only of that material that he made public and there was one excuse after another in the early years.
Again the story is about the Bidens and we have to ask why did it drop so late in the election cycle? Its been there for a long time. So, it is hard to sift out election tactics, who is the honest and honorable and who is telling truth and how much of that is being told. If Biden is really really bad, perhaps Trump is a smidgen better and here is the selection again of who is the better of two weevils.
As to being a “REAL progressive/Leftist “, we’ve had one or a bunch of them under our noses all this time if we spent the time to listen and this journey can be started with the comedian Jimmy Dore. We have Lee Camp and so I can continue on with the community around Chris Hedges to name a few. Greenwald was nowhere to be seen. What has he said about Hellary’s crimes? Sweet nothing really. Why is nobody saying that Biden is a type of ‘sacrificial lamb’? I will go as far as to ask: “Who may be paying Glen Greenwald?”.
I tend to agree with Ramin Mazaheri – there is no real leftist or at least not many of them in this sphere.
What people need to face is both the power at the disposal of a president (DJT) which is substantial. ………….but fleeting………………and in the case of the 2017-2021 first Trump term…………………… under constant full court INTERNATIONAL Deep State Full Court Press………..and that of an oligarchical system that thinks in terms of multiple generations of social, financial, economic and military control that almost all elected officials that ever lived cower and wither and blow away in the face of.
In that regard, all kinds of journalists that are not great but a whole lot better than the out and out presstitutes…and all kinds of commenters dreaming of busting Don Jr for hiring Glenn Greenwald (Dream ON!!!) need to face one very simple fact:
Orangeman….for whatever y’all don’t like about him for whatever reason…...has done more good for the purposes of weakening the Empire….which is fundamentally “An Empire of the Mind”.…..by pointing to the MSM covering his countless rallies and so forth….and calling them out in front of crowds of thousands or tens of thousands of Americans, correctly ….as “Fake News” than any commenter is likely to be able to accomplish in 100 lifetimes of not recognizing this very plain and obvious FACT.
Good to see this interview. There is a similar process happening in the UK with the inteligence services actively engaged in false propaganda directed at the populaion of the UK. This includes the Integrity Initiative, with journalists signing up to this agenda, plus the Guardian reporter Luke Harding, and Regiment 77 of the British Army whose official role is cybersecurity and information warfare, but which is evidently directing at least some of their activity against the UK population.
The chair of the UK Parliament House of Commons Select Committee on Defence Tobias Ellwood MP is a Lt. Colonel in Regiment 77, while claiming only to be ‘an active reservist’ in his own publicity. He was a captain when he was a full-time officer in the British Army before he entered Parliament.
In the USA, the CIA front company Scientific Applications Industrial Corporation [SAIC, which is ‘CIA’s’ backwards] had developed micro-targetting for political purposes and was trialling it for marketing in a New York marketing company by March 1998. This technology was later picked up by the now-defunct Cambridge Analytica and is alleged to have had an impact on the Brexit vote in the UK. Meanwhile, MPs are now picking up on the ridiculous campaign from MI6 about possible Russian interference in UK politics. The pretext for this is the very poor quality report by the UK Parliament Intelligence and Security Committee about alleged Russian influence in UK politics.
Glen told the truth. This is right up there with Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney speeches on Iraq war and little else in our day. The Lord bless and keep him.
The left has become the fascist right. Who does Boris Johnson report to?
To Jose Garcia; I believe that Chrushow say this!! and repeat by; Solstnichin say this too!!!
There will be unintended consequences to the suppression of the Biden corruption story.
Tens of millions of Trump supporters now know – through Fox News and other sites – that the Burisma/China stories are being suppressed in order to rig the election in Biden’s favor. After the election they will not simply go home and say, “oh, well, Biden won.”
They will understand that a lot of Democrats were hoodwinked into electing Biden by deliberate manipulation of those media sites that Democratic voters frequent.
Trump supporters will come to the conclusion that 1) the election was rigged, and, 2) that America is not really a democracy at all – it is a rigged game. There are already a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters who have come to the exact same conclusion.
That means that huge numbers of American on both the left and right – not only will not buy in to the election – they will no longer see the system as being entitled to their allegiance.
The people in the corporate media really don’t comprehend the forces they are putting into play. They may think that once Biden is elected, that opposition to oligarchic rule will be over.
Actually, it has just begun.
It has not only just begun, but the corporate media itself has now turbocharged the opposition.
“It has not only just begun, but the corporate media itself has now turbocharged the opposition.”
… and, those that would direct the opposition have a bottomless pit of ammunition contained in the “laptop from hell” to add more turbochargers at will.
My gut feel is that the election is not the end. It will eventually be known as the date marking the start of hostilities in what will become an epic battle for the hearts & minds of America over the coming 2 months, or longer. Maybe much longer.
Glenn is a hardcore libertarian but that by definition makes him no one’s ally. He’s a lawyer-turned-grifter. He kept his mouth shut for years to secure his Omidyar paycheck, and now that an opportunity has arisen to go independent, he has taken it on the back of a politically-reactionary publicity campaign (Rogan->Twitter->Tucker). He resigned because he had a viable exit plan (Substack), not because he has principles.
Classic case of “enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
Why did he only release 10% of the Snowden files? Why have Assange and Snowden been brutally persecuted yet “Snowden’s Assange” AKA Glenn has been living comfily in the West, despite being in possession of the same data that Snowden had access to?
Don’t fall for the bait.
I’m puzzled why FOX News is the only national television broadcast that presents an opposing platform to the progressive liberal agenda that has swept over North America.
Rupert Murdoch’s family are the principal owners of the FOX news dynasty. The other networks (e.g., ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, etc.) are owned by fellow billionaires like Murdoch.
Why is Murdoch pushing back against the media leviathan that rules over the hearts and minds of so many Americans and Canadians? Is it just the business of opportunistic market share or is there something nefarious going on that we cannot see, I wonder?
Two of the best journalists, worldwide…
And yet it’s stunning how they and others criticize CIA NSA etc. for subverting domestic freedoms, while seeming to be relaxed about those agencies doing the same against other countries… Don’t dig a trap for another, lest you fall there yourself (or whatever is the English equivalent of this Russian saying…)
Excellent point.
Once America gets weaker vs rest of the world, once American society gets more fragmented and more susceptible to “radicalism,” the appearance of freedom will vanish …
Unlike Snowden who I see as a truth and freedom seeker, Glenn is just a powerful media figure who lost his internal tussle … now turning to whining…
The one thing in the interview that really bothered me (aside from questions regarding the wider atmospherics and pre-existing questions around Greenwald’s integrity and agenda, mentioned also in this thread) was his casual mention of Russian intervention in the 2016 election.
Wait a minute . . . !! — What did you just slip in?
I accept (for current purposes) Greenwald’s acceptance that the role of the CIA and other intelligence agencies is to skulk about overseas, overthrow regimes that we don’t like, etc. . . . The interview is not about American imperialism (even if it should be).
But just slipping in that big lie as a little aside (as in, we all know this and agree on this much) was . . . a big booboo, IMO.
Still, Greenwald’s public position is the best we have at the moment.
I don’t see it as a crime that he has set himself up with Substack. Sensible thing to do. Better for him to get out from under Omidyar, regardless of the trigger to do it.
GG might have been contemplating doing this for years and might have been biding his time to make the most of his exit in terms of both political and person impact. If so, I think he has succeeded at that. Nowadays a journalist has to be a canny strategist as well as good investigator and writer. We’ll see how far the shockwaves go, or whether this whole thing turns into a nothing burger for GG and for the election.
Long term I don’t think it is going to go away. We need a new term for Joe Biden to counterbalance “Orange Man.” Any ideas out there??? “The Big Guy”?
Katherine
Given we have Glenn’s side of the story here, I think it’s important to get Intercept’s side too – not necessarily as the truth, but as another point in trying to understand …
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept/
Allen:
Absolute unmitigated Empire Serving BS from the intercept.
Come’on man!
Protecting a Globalist Cabal that ran with Russia!, Russia!, Russia! for 4 F-ing YEARS with “anonymous” cowardly “whistle blowers” in the end producing not one shred…..ZERO evidence…..???
……….whereas Tony Bobulinski has come out in his own name….with emails, hard drives, video etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLfBRgeFFo
Tucker exclusive: Tony Bobulinski, ex-Hunter Biden associate, speaks out on Joe Biden
3,487,331 views•Premiered Oct 27, 2020
Really Allen, it is WAY past time you turfed your tv, cancelled your New York Times sub if you think this comment aids cognition…or “fairness” in any way, shape, or form.
Au contraire, Monsieur……it positively resonates with cognitive dissonance.
But thanks for serving that lob up………..for an overhead smash.
I appreciate it! Love them soft lobs!
@Bro93
No no no… I don’t think much on the Intercept … now or for much if it’s history.
That’s my point. That’s why I don’t think much about Glenn. He never meant much to me. He served his role … but was part of the swamp for all I care.
I don’t think Intercept has changed. I don’t think Glenn has changed. It’s just the political landscape is changing and when circumstances change, people’s overt preferences change.
That’s all… Glenn and Intercept are part of the fog that makes up the empire, even after they have separated…
What a BIG surprise surprise. I cant believe it. I fell off the chair and spilled my coffee on my $10 000 Iranian carpet.
Is this really true in our free and civilised part of the world? MSM censuring an article about one of the most corrupt politicians in the US Democratic Party? I cant believe it. THIS is the end of the world!
Plus ca change . . . .
Let’s not forget what happened to Fletcher Prouty when he tried to alert Americans to what went down in Dallas, and how.
Canceled by the mainstream and mainstream-left magazines he had been writing for (although the term had not yet been coined; it was still just called plain old censorship).
Read it here:
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html
Katherine
My how time changes the world. Back in the ’60s residing in Europe (Germany) at the time, story was how bad the old commie news from the Eastern/Soviet block was, and that the Russians were out controlling the weather; they were making it rain in Europe all the time. The U.S.A. was the bastian of freedom and democracy, free press, and everybody loved John Wayne. Radio Free Europe, besides playing being about the only radio station playing cool tunes, was actively smashing Soviet censored news. Fast forward fifty something years later, now it is the U.S.A. who is the steward of censorship, (I’d almost say old Soviet style). Meanwhile, Russia has become the the knight for press freedom, logic, and sensibility, with Putin the new John Wayne on the international stage.
Matt Taibbi’s take on this kerfuffle:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resignation
“The traditional method of controlling the press — as described by legendary independent journalists like I.F. Stone — was the quiet aside by the boss, “a little private talk,” where a “hint that the reporter seems irresponsible, a little bit radical” would be dropped. Getting the message, and fearing for his or her job, the reporter would back off. Or, in cases like the Iraq war runup, the strategic dismissal of a big name with the wrong views — Phil Donahue, Jesse Ventura — makes sure the rest of the employees get the message.
Greenwald co-founded the Intercept with this exact scenario in mind, building a structure where “little private talks” with bosses would never happen, and there couldn’t be high-profile dismissals for ideological reasons.
What he didn’t guess at was that even in an atmosphere where managerial interference is near zero, a collective of independent journalists can themselves become censors and enforcers of official orthodoxies. In some cases, free journalists will become more aggressive propagandists and suppressors of speech than the officials from whom they supposedly need to be protected. This Lord of the Flies effect is what happened with The Intercept.
It’s a long story, but the punchline is that the self-editing journalists at the Intercept somewhere along the line began to fall for what will look, years from now, like a comically transparent bait-and-switch operation. They were suckered into becoming parodies of their original incarnation.”
I found the Taibbi link within the LPAC Lead this morning, entitled:
Censorship Will Be Permanent Under Biden/Harris; Prevent It By Ending All Classifications Based On “Sources And Methods”
https://larouchepac.com/20201030/censorship-will-be-permanent-under-bidenharris
Still accuses Russia of meddling in the 2016 election although that has been thoroughly debunked.
That said, I agree with his stance on the current sickness in the USA, ( and beyond. )
I fear for my children and grandchildren. Things will get much much worse before they get any better. I retain hope .
Dear Saker, respectfully another must see:
The faker Glenn Greenwald: Sibel Edmonds, ex-FBI, talks about Glenn’s inconsistencies in the Snowden case …..translated title .. mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFlWByF-DSQ
Wow, Lisbeth, fantastic interview with Sibel Edmonds.
Truly a must-see. She raises so many important issues that had not occurred to me.
Brilliant woman. Watch the WHOLE thing, because some of the most disturbing implications are the ones she raises near the end.
Katherine
One of Obama’s last acts as president was to remove the prohibition against U.S. government propaganda in the United States. This is rarely discussed– the U.S. public sure wasn’t consulted, and Carleson seems to be trying to broach the subject.
I think the reason all these intelligence people have been after Trump is they might have feared, based on his 2016 campaign and what Trump would learn about them as president, that he was going to disagree with their activities, tell the public what they have been doing in Syria, and get them in trouble. Such fears, if they existed, have proved unwarranted.
His resignation letter is worth reading (basically what he expresses is an excellent description of all major western MSM news outlets)
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept
Also a copy of the article that the intercept refused to print unless it was heavily edited
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored
The incredible thing is how the social media giants all combined to make sure the Biden scandal didn’t make it into any ones time lines or feed.