Nasrallah: US-backed Axis Defeated, We Have Enough Missiles to Redraw the Map of the Middle East
Translation: resistancenewsunfiltered.
See the previous parts of this speech translated in full:
Resistance Axis, Arab & Muslim Peoples will Never Forsake Palestine
In the Next War, Missiles from Lebanon, Gaza, Syria & Iran will Strike Israel, Trump’s Deal of the Century Doomed to Fail
A War against Iran would Destroy Israel, the Saud and US Hegemony
Transcript:
[…] Another element indicating (the improbability of a war against Iran) is the field data, and I mean the (triple) Summit which I have just mentioned. And we are now entering the (4th section of my speech devoted to the triple) Arab Summit (in Mecca on May 30-June 1). The Summit was convened in emergency. Why? There are two reasons, two clear reasons that are mentioned in the (final) statements (of the Summit).
The first reason… The first reason… I remember that during the first days of the war of aggression against Yemen, His Eminence the (Supreme) Leader, Sayed [Khamenei], said that the young (fighters) of Yemen would rub the Al-Saud’s noses in dirt. Some days ago, the Saudi (army) bit the dust (once again). That’s what happened.
The first reason (for the improbability of war against Iran), that I mentioned earlier, is that Saudi Arabia has recognized the fact that there was no way out against the missiles of the Yemeni army and Popular Defense Committees, which they call the ‘Houthi’ missiles, and against their drones, and my proof is what happened in Yanbu’ (strikes of a Yemeni drone against oil installations in Saudi Arabia). It is a failure, a complete disaster. On the technical, military, security levels, and on every other level, it is a colossal failure. And it is a great success for our Yemeni brothers.
And that’s why in the joint statement at the conclusion of the Arab Summit, from the first line, points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 only speak of Houthis, Houthis and yet again Houthis, as well as Iran. This clearly shows how much the issue of our Yemeni brothers is present and is the main cause for convening this triple Summit.
The second reason (indicating the improbability of a war against Iran) is that the Saudi regime and its allies understood with certainty that there will be no US war against Iran. You are dreaming (O Saudis), you spend your money for nothing and you incite for war to no avail. Trump will not fight for you, while it was your greatest hope. The last thing the Saudis had left was this hope (on which they have staked everything). Is there anything they can do? Do the Saud have alternatives (to prevail)? Who will go to war against Iran? The Saud themselves? While in Yemen, according to the information of the Saudis themselves, these young Yemeni fighters who have no army, no huge capacities, who are besieged, isolated, hungry, sick, whatever you want, but Saudi Arabia fails, is defeated and broken against them! And you (the Saudis) would go to war against (such a formidable power as) Iran? Who (will dare attack Iran)? Will they hire Netanyahu to launch a war against Iran? Let him first take care of his own problems (electoral and with Israeli justice)!
It’s the end of the road (for the Saud)! All their plans and hopes rested, in recent weeks, on Trump, on Trump’s incitement (to war), on Bolton, on Pompeo and all their fellow evil men in b or p, who were threatening to attack Iran and devastate this country. But it’s over. All their hopes were dashed.
That is why this Summit was convened in Mecca, as I said, to call the Arab and Muslim worlds and the Gulf countries for help. ‘Hasten therefore (to our help), O Arabs’ (cried the Al-Saud dynasty)! I wrote here… Where is this paper?… I wrote (a summary about it)… “Saudi Arabia convened the triple Summit to strengthen itself with the support of the Gulf it has torn apart…” For who is responsible for the crisis in the Gulf Cooperation Council? Saudi Arabia! “(Saudi Arabia convened the triple Summit) to strengthen itself with the support of the Gulf it has torn apart, of the Arabs it has crushed…” Is there a single Arab country left where Saudi Arabia has not created discord and division? And until now, up to this very day, there are Arab countries torn with civil wars, and Saudi Arabia is (the main) responsible. And there are Arab countries under threat of falling into civil wars (Algeria, Sudan…), and we must look (for the hand of) Saudi Arabia (behind it). “(Saudi Arabia convened the triple Summit to strengthen itself with the support of the Gulf it has torn apart), of the Arabs it has crushed and of the Muslims among whom it has spread the sedition of takfir.”
See Pakistan: Saudi Arabia wants to become stronger by getting the support of this country, while it propagated its takfiri ideology there among the Taliban, who created innumerable problems for the Pakistani military and the Pakistani people. Today, Saudi Arabia is calling on all these countries to save it (and get it out of the Yemeni quagmire).
First, regarding the Summit… I will conclude my remarks with a few words. Regarding the (Mecca) Summit, such is the context that explains it. It is a call for help, a cry for help, an intercessory request… You know it’s Ramadan (where all wishes can be fulfilled), so the Saudis make prayers, express wishes, cajole (the Arab governments) so that they’d fulfill their wishes, because of their failure and powerlessness, and because their hopes were dashed. The opposite Axis (United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia) isn’t in any case in a position of strength. It is in a position of weakness and failure, desperate, greatly confused and completely discouraged. This is the truth.
Second, let us consider the Joint Statement issued after the Summit. We see that it is composed of 10 points, which speak only of Iran and the “Houthis”, as they call them, but in the end of this Statement, as we commemorate the International Day of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), at the very end of this Statement, really the last two lines, we read: “And about the Palestinian cause, the main cause of the Arabs, the Summit has confirmed its commitment to the resolutions of the 29th Arab Summit (of April 2018) in Dhahran (Saudi Arabia), or Al-Quds Summit, and the resolutions of the 30th Arab Summit in Tunis (in March 2019).” Period. They did not even devote two lines to Palestine! They gave it only a line and a half of their final Statement! That’s the importance of Palestine for the Arab Summit. I do not even know if they actually talked about it (during their discussions), I just read the final Statement.
And about the Summit of the Gulf Cooperation Council, there is a really funny thing, the 4th point. Listen to the 4th point (of the final Statement) of the Summit of the Council of the Gulf Cooperation: “Confirms the strength, harmony and resolution of the Gulf Cooperation Council and the unity of its members around a common line to face these threats.” And they say that while they are besieging Qatar! They have been besieging the State and the people of Qatar for over a year! It’s really hilarious, Uncle! By God, some people really don’t realize that they have become the laughing stock of the world! The whole world mocks them, demeans and humiliates them!
Another point about the Arab Summit, we have a duty to praise the position expressed by Iraq and the President of the Republic of Iraq. It’s a remarkable position, courageous and excellent. What a shame that the rest of the Arab Presidents, Kings and Emirs did not talk the same way! And the Iraqi delegation has not said that they wanted to wage war against Saudi Arabia, the UAE, or anyone, nothing like it! They spoke in a balanced manner (without taking sides with Iran nor Saudi Arabia). You could do the same thing (and display a conciliatory neutrality). What prevented you from doing so, O Arabs? What a pity that (the participants of this) Summit, in spite of the failure, powerlessness and confusion (of Saudi Arabia), and the economic exploitation of the situation by the United States, have not talked in conciliatory terms about Iran, when Iran itself, a few days ago, said via its delegates that they were ready to talk with the Gulf states, and conclude pacts of non-aggression with them! Why did they not adopt the same open and conciliatory diplomatic language? If they had done so, their money, their safety, their security, their interests and even their dignity would not be violated by Trump morning and evening.
On the Arab Summit, I have one more thing to say: as a Lebanese party who participate in the government of Lebanon, we (Hezbollah) consider that the position of the official Lebanese delegation to the Arab Summit contradicts the Ministerial Declaration (of the Hariri government) and violates the commitments and promises of the Lebanese government, who received the confidence of the Parliament on the basis of this Declaration. Where is the promised neutrality, O official Lebanese delegation to the holy city of Mecca? You could have said… It was not even required that you take a position similar to that of Iraq. You could simply have said that the Lebanese government was committed to neutrality (in regional conflicts) and that such a stance was required in the national interest of Lebanon, which had to remain neutral, as it had done in previous Summits.
That is why we reject this position (expressed by the Lebanese delegation), which we consider unacceptable and condemn because it does not represent Lebanon. It represents only the members of the delegation (as individuals) or the political parties they belong to. It is impossible that this be the official position of Lebanon, a position which publishes a Statement with 10 paragraphs condemning Iran and only dedicates a line and a half to Palestine, the whole Statement expressing support for an Axis (US-Saudi-Israeli) against another (the Axis of Resistance).
Of course, the Future party could have made a statement of their own supporting eloquently the Final Statement of this Summit held in Holy Mecca, it is their natural right. We wouldn’t mind at all because (it is common knowledge) that we have opposite stances (on regional issues). We have already said that neutrality is not required of political forces. And we are the first not being neutral (and strongly and publicly announcing our stances against the US, Israel, the Saud…). But we agreed that the Lebanese government would remain neutral. The Lebanese State must remain neutral (because it is composed of both pro-American and pro-Iranian forces). And what happened in Mecca is contrary to the commitments and promises (made by the Future Alliance heading the government), and to Lebanon’s national interest.
This brings me to the last point (of my speech). (I’m sorry) for being so long, on this night of Ramadan, but it is a sensitive issue whose mention cannot be postponed. Regarding the delimitation of the (land and sea) borders (between Lebanon and Israel), as I have said repeatedly, as a Resistance, we have no problem and we comply with the decisions of the State. And for all that is happening at the borders, we leave everything in the hands of the State, whether what is happening is good or bad, right or wrong. Regarding the demarcation of our land and sea borders, we will respect all the decisions of State, (and we do not have a say).
And by making these statements, I do not exaggerate. Some brothers think that my words are conciliatory but do not coincide with reality, but no, I tell the strict truth when I say that we in Hezbollah trust the Lebanese officials who are in charge of this issue, and who are committed to upholding all Lebanon’s rights to land and water, in terms of maritime (space), oil and gas (resources present in the Mediterranean). We have (full) confidence in them, and that’s why we do not intervene in this issue. So much for the positive points, for I will now turn to a very different point.
On this issue, what are the United States striving to achieve through (their envoy) Mr. [David] Satterfield and his ilk? The USA are very strong to exploit all things, and exploit (all situations) in an evil way (in their interests and to our detriment). Since Lebanon needs a rapid delineation of borders, especially at sea, to (be able to exploit) oil and gas (resources at sea), and since Lebanon needs a calm situation in order to get financial loans —for we speak mainly about loans, not grants—, in this context, the United States come to… I hope that all the Lebanese will listen to me.
The United States wants to exploit the (indirect) negotiations (between Lebanon and Israel) on the demarcation of land and maritime borders to solve another adjacent, unrelated problem in the sole interest of Israel, and that Israel has been unable to resolve for years, namely precision missiles and the manufacture of precision missiles.
For over two years, (we have been contacted constantly by) ambassadors, embassies, foreign intelligence services, including those countries that consider us officially as terrorists, it does not bother them. They asked us the following questions, or (rather) addressed us the following messages: you have precision missiles, and this is something that Israel will not tolerate, and when Israel will learn their place (of storage), they will bomb them. That’s the message that we kept receiving for over two years. That’s (the first point).
The second point was the accusation that we’d have precision missile factories in Lebanon, which is (allegedly) a red line for Israel that will not be tolerated, and the warning that if Israel gets to know their location, they will bomb them. We hid this matter to the public for two years so as not to worry anyone, and to settle this matter behind the scenes. But some things happened during this week that lead me to speak out today because I think this whole issue will soon be discussed in the media, this topic being debated today in wider circles. I prefer to publicly state our position on this issue, rather than let the (State) officials being responsible for sending messages or answering questions (about this topic), and it is better that these answers come directly from me so that the United States, Israel and others receive them distinctly. (That’s better), isn’t it? That’s why I mention it.
Regarding the first point, the precision missiles issue, we are people who always tell the truth, we never lie. We can of course not reveal the truth without lying, or tell only part of the truth, but we never lie. That’s why when they asked us (if we had precision missiles), we answered that yes, we had precision missiles, and then you remember that two years ago, the tenth day (of ‘Ashura), I announced quite clearly that we have precision missiles able to hit all the targets required in the Zionist entity.
And today, on this (International) Day of Al-Quds (Jerusalem),on the 40th anniversary of the announcement of this Day, I say to the world that yes, we have in Lebanon enough precision missiles to change the face of the region and (upset) all equations!
[Audience: At your service, O Nasrallah!]
But I say nothing new. That’s what I said for ‘Ashura two years ago. And to all those who have asked us, we said yes, we had precision missiles. And to all those who said or transmitted messages (Israeli threats), we said that there was no problem… It’s been 1, 2 and 3 years that these messages circulate, and that our response has been given and reached Israel: any time they tried to intimidate us by speaking of Israel, of red lines, of unacceptable things, of bombing, of (a violent) reaction, etc., our answer was clear, and I then repeated it publicly (in an interview) with Al-Mayadeen TV and then in a live speech. And I’ll repeat it again: we said that against any aggression, any Israeli strike against any target related to the Resistance in Lebanon, be it missiles or anything else, Hezbollah will retaliate immediately, directly and with (great) force!
And that’s why for 1 year, 2 years and 3 years now, they never bombed (Lebanon). And even more, Israel is going to the UN to (complain) that under the Al-Ahed football stadium, there would be missiles, and at such other place as well, (and then the UN) asks the government to verify if missiles are present at a given location, etc. It is not out of manners or decency that Israel does not strike our missiles. It is because we are strong that they don’t dare to do so (because they fear our retaliation), and that we will respond to any aggression by a similar attack, if not more!
The issue of precision missiles was therefore over (with a dead end for Israel). No one can do anything against it. So the issue has been upgraded with the accusation of possession of precision missile factories (in Lebanon). A few months ago, a (Lebanese) official said that the United States had contacted him to tell him this and this. I replied: “My dear official —I do not say anything specific to protect his identity—, this information is false. We do not have —and I speak with complete frankness— we have no precision missile factory in Lebanon.” He asked if the Iranians had such factories in Lebanon. I told him that the Iranians had no factory in Lebanon, be it for precision missiles or other missiles, or anything at all.So far —I say so far, until tonight, until this International Day of Al-Quds—, there are no precision missile factories (in Lebanon). So the Americans left and came back later (with new charges), saying that there were such factories in such and such place, until what they said recently, namely that the process of delimitation of maritime borders was obstructed by the fact that in such region, there were precision missile factories. Again, several Lebanese officials asked me about it, and I said that it was not true. In this region, there are military facilities, supplies and equipment of Hezbollah, but no precision missile factory. That’s all.What is my point? These (false accusations) have been accompanied by various threats. I will not say what the threats were because there is no reason for me to reveal them, but several threats were made, so that Lebanon settles this issue (precision missile factories) and destroys such and such installations, razes them to the ground and terminates them. But my dear (US) friends, do you know who you are dealing with? In what world do you live (to believe that your threats can frighten Hezbollah)? It is absolutely inconceivable for us.
In addition, we, in Hezbollah, are more trustworthy and reliable than the Americans and their predecessors, and more trustworthy and reliable than the Israelis and their predecessors. When I tell you that there is no precision missile factories, this means that there is none. And if there were such factories, I would have said this evening on TV that there are such factories, as I’ll prove it in a moment.
I will explain my problem with this question and conclude my speech. My problem is that… That’s why I did not want to discuss this issue only with Lebanese officials, but I wish that we all (Lebanese) take part in it. The very discussion of such issues with the United States, merely allowing them to ask us about (our weapons), this door should be in my opinion closed. It is not their business, they have no right to inquire about our weapons. The US does not have any right to meddle in it. Whether there are precision missile factories in Lebanon or not, it is not their business. Israel, which is right next to us, manufactures missiles, warplanes, tanks, nuclear and chemical weapons. Let them go there and make the same requests! As for us, it is our right —and that’s what I want to add this evening—, it is our absolute right to possess any type of weapons to defend our country. And it is our absolute right to manufacture any type of weapons, because to have weapons, there are only three possibilities: either you buy them, or someone gives them to you, or you manufacture them.
In Gaza, what do they do? They make them. In Yemen, what do they do? They make them. But the Saudi mentality is unable to conceive that Yemenis can manufacture their own missiles and drones (and they accuse Iran of supplying them). What do you want me to do about it? In Iran, what are they doing? They manufacture their own weapons! And we absolutely have the right to do the same. I affirm that the United States do not have the right to debate with us on this right. That’s the first point. How does it concern you? Whether we have such factories or not, it’s none of your business. I assure you that there are no such factories yet, but you have no right to ask me at the first place! Whether there are such factories or not, mind your own business! We have every right to have all the weapons that allow us to defend our country, whether we buy them, they are given to us or we manufacture them. That’s the first point.
Second, if the United States continue to bring this issue, I tell them this: we have all the technical and human capacity, thanks to our youth, to manufacture precision missiles, and we are perfectly able to import in Lebanon all the equipment required to open such factories. I declare tonight that if the United States continue to bring up this issue, let the whole world know that we will open precision missile factories in Lebanon!
So far, we have no such factories (in Lebanon), but if they continue to bring up this issue, they will convince us to do so! Then, the government talks about many problems of the Lebanese industry. Today, one of the greatest evils in the world is arms sales… Why are you laughing, I’m serious! We are able to manufacture precision missiles and sell them to the world, and thus help the Lebanese Treasury. Is that okay with you?This is why I advise Satterfield to stay calm and do the job he is asked to do (without encroaching on our business), since he claims to be there to help… But who does he (really want to) help? Because you know that in general, the United States are not intermediaries. They are only there to lobby and defend the interests of Israel, and God help our Lebanese brothers responsible for these negotiations. Let Satterfield close this file and not waste his time in (idle) threats, and stop exerting himself. He should stop exerting himself (in vain).This is our natural right (to have all the weapons required), we will remain attached thereto, and threats lead to nothing with us. These threats are not new, but date back to 2 or 3 years. I have answered them, and I do not want to have to repeat myself, okay? Be it now, before or after, our position remains the same.
In conclusion, O my dear and noble brothers, on this Day of Al-Quds, on this 40th year of the celebration of this Day, our (Resistance) Axis is in a position of strength, as is our front (the battlefield). It is true that in recent years we have made many sacrifices, but by the grace of the blood of martyrs, we got out of all these sacrifices stronger and more present. And it is full of strength, determination, faith and confidence that I tell you all that we can defeat the Deal of the Century and make it fail, and at the forefront the Palestinian people: when Palestinians are unanimous in their sovereign position, as I called it, about the Deal of the Century and the Conference in Bahrain (which are condemned by all factions), nobody can impose anything, neither to Palestinians nor to the region.
When the Syrian people refuse to cede the Golan, Golan will never become Israel’s, even if Trump redraws maps and signs below, as announced by Netanyahu yesterday. Let them sign anything they want, do what they want, and say whatever they want, (it will be futile). If we stay present in the field, on all battlefields, if we remain attached to our rights, and above all, before, after and with everything, if we trust in God and in His promise of victory, if we believe in Him, in our peoples, in our generation, in our men, in our women, in our brains and in our minds and willpower, the future belongs to Al-Quds, and not to Trump or to all the insignificant midgets who work for Trump.
Peace be upon the soul of the great Khomeini, who founded this Day, happy (al-Quds) holiday, and may God grant you victory and glory.
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“Any amount counts, because a little money here and there, it’s like drops of water that can become rivers, seas or oceans…” Hassan Nasrallah
I would advise Nasrallah to tone down his outrageous rhetoric a notch or two. Nobody talks like this in real life, and those who do, are either mentally unbalanced or otherwise suspicious …
One example of outrageous rhetoric in the Reverend’s speech:
“we are people who always tell the truth, we never lie. We can of course choose not to reveal the truth, or tell only part of the truth, but we never lie. That’s why when they asked us recently (if we had precision missiles), we answered that yes, we had precision missiles and if you remember, also two years ago I announced quite clearly that we have precision missiles able to hit all the targets required in the Zionist entity.
And today, on this (International) Day of Al-Quds (Jerusalem) I say to the world that yes, we have in Lebanon enough precision missiles to change the face of the region and (upset) all equations.
But I am saying nothing new to all those who transmitted Israeli threats to us, 1, 2 and 3 years our response has been given and reached Israel: any time they tried to intimidate us by speaking of Israel red lines, of unacceptable this or that, of bombing etc., our answer was clear, and I shall repeat it again: we always said that any Israeli strike against any target related to the Resistance in Lebanon, be it missiles or anything else, Hezbollah will retaliate immediately, directly and with great force.
And that’s why for 1 year, 2 years and 3 years now, they never bombed Lebanon. It is not out of manners or decency that Israel does not strike our missiles. It is because they don’t dare to do so (because) we will respond to any aggression by a similar attack, if not more”.
“real life”??
What’s that, submissive grovelling, under a cowardly concensus of eternal mind control and material, intellectual and spiritual enslavement?
“Real Life” of slaves, perhaps.
But is that even “Life”?
Nobody in real life has the duties of Nasrallah, nor the shoulders to carry the burden he carries.
Without Imam Khomeini no of this would have been possible. He truly change the muslim world.
to _smr: “advising Nasrallah to tone down . . .”.
The Reverend is himself under continuous threat against his life. He and his people have struggled for their existence against terrible odds for I don’t know how many years.
He has well earned his bully pulpit and has the right of a sovereign warrior to say and do as he sees fit. I don’t think anyone in a place of safety has any right to comment on how this brave man carries on.
For what it is worth: considering who he is and the audience to whom he is speaking, his words did not seem outrageous in any way to me.
P.S. the original words were spoken in a very different language than English, and in a very different cultural setting than what we typically find in the West. Besides what I said above, let us be patient with words which come from a different world.
You are practising Orientalism I fear, judging the non-Western world, by the ‘standards’ of the leading hypocrites of the Western ‘elites’. There’s not a little projection, too, of course.
America Play Oman Card to Putting UAE and Saudi Arabia in a Hole. After the Oman tour of Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu things are forwarding into new direction because Oman made a big mistake, giving the Dhukam port to israel Oman provide a way to Israel for creating conspiracy and rebellion against Muslim world. America also support to Israel for this kind of aggression
The intelligence of of America and israel are working together for destroying the Muslim world basically this intelligence agency make the better relation from those Muslim countries they face and some problem against another angry Muslim countries. America and Israel give a surety to this kind of Angry Muslim countries that he give any kind of support against them
Imran Khan Visit Russia For Next Level Development in Upcoming Days After the visit of Russian Chief of Army Staff General Oleg Salyukov. President Putin has decided to extended an invitation that is given to Prime Minister Khan to visit Russia in September for making next level development and starting new trade business between both of countries. This invitation is very useful and helpful for reducing the Pakistan Economy crisis PM Imran Khan has quickly accepted Putin’s invitation which was extended last month by Putin during a conversation between the Imran Khan and Valdmir Putin the in to the SCO summit in Bishkek. The EEF is scheduled to be held from September 4 to 6 in Vladivostok
In past the relation between Pakistan and Russia is not very well. But after India has decided buying American Thaad defence Missile system instead of Russian S-400 defence Missile system. The relationship between Russia and India is not good as compared to past. So Pakistan have a chance reduce misunderstanding between Russia that’s why General Oleg Salyukov visits Pakistan and had a meeting with General Qamar Bajwa and Russia is Becoming a new trade partner of Pakistan for future.
I don’t know how to tell you this but Pakistan is a failed state. It is bankrupt and on KSA/ UAE/ Qatari/ IMF life support. Pakistan has no role to play in the middle east scenario, whatsoever. The only place where it can do something is to send its soldiers to KSA or Bahrain for guard duty. Nothing else!
Lets at least maintain the honesty on this blog.
From what I know, Nasrallah always tells it like it is and speak truth to power.
So where exactly is this “outrageous rhetoric” that concerns you? ad hominem removed — mod
Pray tell, so we can insist that it be amplified.
Selah
To claim that the US-backed axis will be defeated, requires to know what is their real objective of the next war against Iran. If their real objective is to plunge the M.E. into chaos to choke the oïl production and to trigger a world-wide economic crisis that could break China and India ambitions and also to destroy all the nation states in Europe, the US-backed axis will win, provided that Russia stays neutral.
Israel may suffer severe destructions but it will not be worse that what happened to Germany in 1994-45. After a temporary exile,the sionists will come back.
Russian elites are, were and will be on the side of their blue eyed “partners” in the West and the zionist entity. They share a history of recent centuries of imperialism, land grabbing and usury. They even are selling syrian surrender to UAE, KSA and the ZE in Palestine. They have also backstabbed Iran p, cornered by US crippling siege. Global elites are such money grabbing, short sighted idiots.
Regarding the topic of precision missile possession, Nasrallah could have said nothing, or lied, or told the truth (either all of the truth or a portion of it). He has an eastern mindset, and he is not required to think and speak any other way.
He has the same options regarding acknowledging the possession of factories to make precision missiles.
He has spoken plainly that they have precision missiles and, more significantly, the will to use them. Specifically the statement that they will respond with great force to any attack means that they will not engage in a tit for tat manner. This is what you say to an aggressor if you want peace.
From Lebanon’s perspective the worst thing he could have said is that they don’t have precision missiles or the factories for making missiles, and that they hope they won’t have to use what they have. Such talk may sound reasonable and responsible to western ears, but it invites attacks.
What Hezbollah lacks is either an effective air defense or the will to use it. They would fiercely attack infantry and tanks on Lebanese soil, whether the invaders fired a shot at Hezbollah or not. The same should apply to enemy aircraft.
On the subject of air defence, Hezbollah needs none.
They only need their “air attack”, i.e hundreds of thousands of missiles which will nullify any air attack, including fleets of F35: Simply because even an effective air attack by Israel will invite Hezbollah to level Tel Aviv with missile swarms.
I believe Hezbollah should have and use a powerful AA defense because in the first place Hezbollah’s span of control must include control over their own airspace and in the second place for the benefit of their allies and benefactors, Syria, Iran and Russia.
If such AA defense were obtained it would come at great cost and diversion of resources, while simply providing targets to the IAF.
Of course, this assumes the AA defense is conventional. If portable, steal and highly mobile AA defense were possible, this would be a game changer and massively amplify the capabilities of 4G warfare methods.
Great but keeping in mind that Hezbollah and Iran are the only resisting adults in the room. Arab elites, including syrian, are so deep into their colonized mindset, it is beyond hope. Turkey is playing what it can to save itself, after adding fuel to the chaos. Moscow oligarchs are totally in bed with their zionist and wahhabi counterparts, playing cynical, “market-share diplomacy” with “our partners”. While RF diplomats repeat ad nauseam their pipeline diplomacy “we are european”, like their friends in Maidan ? While the always hilarious “duginists” hallucinate a principled russian FP. And… Exceptionnalistan is… what it is, serving zionism and MIC contracts. And all these insane leaders have no clue regarding a burning, and soon starving world, in this Anthropocene. May Almighty God save us from all these liars…
What is certain, iranians cannot rely on russian elites, or arab elites, ever, as they always look and serve the west and its financial, capitalist destructive machine.
Assad sacks high-ranking Intel chief with close Iranian ties
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/assad-sacks-high-ranking-intel-chief-with-close-iranian-ties/
“The source in Damascus added that this move likely comes at the request of Saudi Arabia, who is working to build an alliance in Syria with Russia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).”
Russia urges Iran to honor deal
https://tass.com/world/1066677
Muslim reminds me of ‘Chinaman’, ie a hasbaranik peddling disinfo and so arrogantly contemptuous that its poses behind a phony name of one of those groups it hates the most. Next time it’ll probably call itself ‘Goy’, or ‘Bantu’ or something similar.
Well, being accused of self-hate… So i would hate what i am for mentionning the arab-wahhabi madhouse, at a leadership level, and the cynical elites, all trapped into the globalist, life-ending empire, including russians. And saying that Iran is, with the heroic exception of Hezbollah, alone and should trust only itself, just like NK did, not event trusting Beijing)
Typical cult-like relfex you have here, insinuating and labelling ppl with a different viewpoint. It sounds exactly like colonialist or zionist or wahhabi reflex. Groupthink and tribalism. It is sad, i believe you are much better and much more clever and well-intentionned, dear human brother or sister.
Anyway this is childish behavior as the IR of Iran is under war as we speak, a genocidal war that devastated Iraq. And no foreign actor is willing to stop this economic total war on Tehran.
Well, Muslim, you’re new, therefore may indeed be a disinformer sent to spread confusion. I agree with a lot of what you say, but it appears that the commonsense is possibly a cover for an attack on Russia as unreliable. That, if it is the core of your contribution, is immediately suspect in my paranoid mind. The fact that you have replied pretty reasonably makes me ready to re-appraise your bona fides. Yes, yes-the noblesse oblige is nauseating, but there you go. You can judge what sort of fool I am by consulting my copious blatherings.
replying to a 6 month old post .. possible troll … hs
That’s a great reply. In trolling playing the allies (or two) that gradually shift position is a thing.
It works with deradicalization provided you instead don’t adopt a false identity.
Muslim is an odd handle to pick but she seems real enough. The source of truth doesn’t really matter does it?
That was perceptive about possibly undermining Russia. 👍
To be the one person to speak the truth in a world full of lies takes courage and strength. To be the only person to stand up and speak this truth against the awe-inspiring strength of an all-encompassing military empire. By using only “outrageous rhetoric” doesn’t prove that Mr. Nasrallah is “mentally unbalanced”.
In “real life” Hezbollah’s Secretary General Sayed Hassan Nasrallah has laid down his life for speaking “his” truth to an empire of lies. Who else is willing to risk it all and do the same?
This is the policy the British National Party uses too…always speak the truth.
It is the only sane option. Otherwise you have to remember all your lies…or you will get caught out.
Truth is the only weapon most under dogs have and it is the most feared matter for the fascist US and their lap dogs.
The neo-con Zionists fear truth more than any number of rockets, or nukes or suicide bombers. Truth is unknown in Israel, the US or the UK. Consequently they lie, cheat and back stab each other perpetually.
So if this Hezbollah leader speaks the truth in his Arabic cultural way of speaking, then I support him fully.
The BNP is racist and Islamophobic in particular, and has no detectable reputation for honesty, however defined, and, therefore, is very pro-Israel. I detect a little hasbara ‘cognitive dissonance’ here.
Nasrallah is a world class (maybe the best) rhetorician.
His video polemics are fact-packed and illuminate by contrast the dull propaganda and hopelessness of the Middle East.
I suggest he is the most effective small military-political leader in centuries. He holds off Israel and the US and Saudis and the Gulf States strategically. Amazing.
Nasrallah has an insight into humanity’s will power, the eternal desire for freedom from domination, and only refers to religion after he anchors his arguments for victory in the resources of the minds and hearts of his people; and the same for Palestinians, Houthis, Iraqis and Arabs and Muslims in other regions.
Religion is the blessing, the benediction after the human factors which will lead to victory.
Very appealing intellectual argument . . .
He is indeed a Leader equipped with many gifts.
“We will win because we will resist, fight and defeat the evil, and it is God’s Will, as any rational person understands. Shatan will not be victorious.” These might be his words. They can be distilled from his rhetoric.
I would attempt a deeper analysis if I was fluent in his language. The man is brilliant. Period. Formidable.
Well, this speech establishes two things in my mind.
First, when Nasrallah says the US and everyone else is “asking” about missile factories, this proves to me that this is going to be the excuse when Israel attacks Lebanon again and asks the US to join it in attacking Hezbollah. Not that it wouldn’t be obvious, if Israel attacks Hezbollah and Hezbollah responds with its missiles, that Hezbollah has them. Everyone knows Hezbollah has them – and in large numbers. So Nasrallah is not saying anything we don’t know.
But the point is that the missile factories – allegedly built by Iran – whether they exist or not – will be one major excuse the US and Israel will use for a *joint* attack on Hezbollah.
Nasrallah says that it’s none of the US’ business whether Hezbollah builds missiles in Lebanon. He is of course entirely correct. But he forgets – or prefers to ignore for the benefit of his audience – that the US considers Hezbollah a “terrorist group.” So what if it’s none of the US’ business? The US will make it its business as it does everywhere else in the world.
Also, it was one thing, in 2006, for Hezbollah to repel Israel successfully with a few Katyusha inaccurate, short range rockets, and some dead IDF soldiers. But even then, the US was sending supplies to Israel to support Israel’s air campaign. As Wikipedia reports:
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As the campaign in Lebanon began, on 14 July, the U.S. Congress was notified of a potential sale of US$210 million worth of jet fuel to Israel. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency noted that the sale of the JP-8 fuel, should it be completed, will “enable Israel to maintain the operational capability of its aircraft inventory.…The jet fuel will be consumed while the aircraft is in use to keep peace and security in the region.”[21]
According to Reuters and The New York Times, the Bush administration authorised the expedited processing and shipment of precision-guided bombs, already allotted for sale in 2005, to Israel to support the Israeli campaign, but it did not announce the increased haste publicly.[22]
It was reported on 24 July that the United States was in the process of providing Israel with “bunker buster” bombs, which would be used to target the leader of Lebanon’s Hezbollah guerrilla group and destroy its trenches.[23]
It was reported in the 3 August edition of Salon.com that the US National Security Agency (NSA) was providing signals intelligence to the IDF allowing them details on whether Iran and Syria were supplying new military aid to Hezbollah.[24]
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Note in particular those “bunker buster” bombs. They did Israel little good. Because Israel does not have the strategic bombing capability to drop those bombs in enough places to do serious damage. For that, you need those B-52s that only the US possesses. A B-52 can drop 70,000 pounds of bombs in one sortie. Nothing Israel has can do that.
Now consider what will happen if Israel attacks Hezbollah again. And this time Hezbollah rains as little as 200 highly accurate and relatively powerful missiles at every point in Israel every day, hitting significant Israeli infrastructure and military targets and causing relatively significant military and civilian casualties.
Can we – and Nasrallah – not imagine that Donald Trump – surrounded by pro-Israel neocons and an adamant supporter of Israel and someone who despises Iran – will want to offer Israel significant support under such a Hezbollah attack? More support than George Bush was interested in supplying.
Can we – and Nasrallah – not imagine that Israel, which already knows the consequences of another attack on Hezbollah because it knows how much stronger Hezbollah is today and how many new missiles Hezbollah has today, has not already made overtures to the Trump administration for such support in the event of a new war against Hezbollah?
Why then does Nasrallah believe that the issue of Israel vs Hezbollah is “over”?
Yes, he is technically correct when he says that Israel can not attack Hezbollah and win – by itself. But it is far from certain that Israel, with significant US direct military assistance in the form of 10-20,000 troops and massive air bombardment, including massive JDAM-accurate gravity bomb bombardment of Hezbollah underground bunkers and missile caches (by bombing wide areas of Southern Lebanon and the Bekaa Valley), can not materially degrade Hezbollah’s arsenal sufficiently to prevent Hezbollah from continuing such missile strikes long-term, i.e. over many months, during the course of a war with Iran.
Because that is what Israel needs if Israel wants an Iran war that the US will fight. And we know that is what Israel wants and what Israel and the US neocons are working toward, without doubt.
The second thing I know is that Nasrallah apparently believes that there will be no US war with Iran. And it would seem that this belief is based on the same notion everyone else believes, including me – that Israel can not afford a war with Iran as long as Hezbollah can bomb the crap out of Israel.
But to say that there is no solution to that problem for Israel is wrong. There is a solution to every problem. And Israel’s solution to Hezbollah is the US military. Or at least Israel likely believes that is the solution. In any event, Israel will have to try that solution if Israel wants a war with Iran. Otherwise Israel will have to forget about Iran, because otherwise Israel can do nothing about Iran. And neither can the US if it wants to prevent Israel from having the crap bombed out of it by Hezbollah.
Now apparently tons of people believe there will be no war with Iran. Which supposed means all the anti-Iran rhetoric and actions coming out of the US and Israel is just for domestic political purposes and will never lead to a war.
Well, if that’s the case, and Nasrallah and tons of other people believe that, why are we – and Nasrallah – bothering to even concern themselves with Israel? Iran is one hundred percent safe. Hezbollah and Lebanon are one hundred percent safe. The only threats to any of those entities is perhaps lame efforts at espionage, sabotage and the like.
Well, I live in the real world. It’s not that simple. No one is ever safe.
So I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree – and wait to see whether there will be a new war between Israel and Hezbollah, and whether the US will support Israel directly in that war. I say these things will happen. I don’t know what the outcome will be – who wins – but I remain convinced that we’re headed for another conflict.
I also don’t claim to know precisely when they will happen – but I expect it will happen either this summer or next summer. Because I don’t think either the neocons or Israel want to miss the opportunity that having Trump as President gives them and they don’t want to wait to see whether he gets re-elected or not.
One must not forget, that israhellis are also listening to every word he is saying. In any war or battle one has three options; hide, run or fight. Then there is sun tzu and his weak-strong paradigm and then there is OODA-loop. They are at work in some degree in any given situation. They are offensive and defensive depending on the person using them and the goal, they want to achieve. You can be sure, that if you and I can thing of “it”, the iranian, the syrian and the hezbollah strategists have considered it in their warrooms. Threats are not something, that should be dismissed easily. They can be very effective. But as this speech shows, there must be real power behind it too. By doing as they do, the americans have also exposed to their adversaries in the region, how they can be defeated. With the wahhabi fabian jews finally turning their eyes towards their motherland the occupied Palestine, they americans, the israhellis, the uae, the oman and the saudi could start something. but their defeat is almost dialectically determined even before, they start. The very geography of the conflict is too wast for their plan to succed. There are too many actors involved. There are too many problems, they have to solve. Mind you, that president Assad said clearly, that they will defend Iran in any war against the country too. On the other hand if Iran wanted too, we could start a civil war in the land occupied by the whorehouse of saud, that will end them yesterday. There are too many factors, that are not mentioned in these comments. In order to show you the multitude of perspective with regards to the conflicts in west asia, I will point out the ESCHATOLOGICAL aspect of all of these conflicts. You will be surprised to know, how big a role it plays in the current situation from Yemen to Syria to Iran and the whorehouse of saud. Now that it is mentioned, I am sure there will be somewriter, who can pick this up and write about it. Just an example; the fall of the whorehouse of saud was forseen 1400 years ago by our Prophet. Here is the kicker, He actually said, that it was the iranians, who would do it. You may have not known this, but you can be sure, they do!
Nearly all analysis of war involving the US and Iran assumes that the US side must win and do so quickly. However, only one thing has been established by US wars since WWII, and that is that the US can and will wantonly kill many hundreds of thousands, and wreak enormous destruction.
But win? Hasn’t happened yet.
Except as viewed from the demonic perspective, it is a string of costly failures. For the demonic, the killing and destruction IS the goal. From that point of view, the record is of unbroken success.
There isn’t any way to analyze this situation rationally. However it can be helpful to reverse the apparent narrative. After all, we know that the official narrative is simply an agglomeration of lies. So let’s reverse things.
Are American weapons formidable? No, they are extremely expensive failures — in fact, they are too expensive to use. From that point of view, it does not matter whether they work or not. They can’t be used.
Are American armed forces dominant? Again, the American government cannot afford to find out. In a collapsing Empire, being held together finally by raw military force, the one thing you cannot ever afford is: not just a military defeat, but really any kind of poor showing.
But someone objects: what about the history of failures? As I said, you can’t analyze this rationally, unless you can kind of think upside down and backwards.
The Spartans consciously avoided going to war because they did not want to train their adversaries in how to fight them. We Americans have taught the world. Who would have thought that near stone age Yemenis would produce a broad range of unmanned air weapons, and have been using them with increasing success against the Saudis. Iran is a big step up from Yemen. And Russia is a big step up from Iran. I don’t know how to rank China versus Russia, but no rational military would want to take them on.
The rulers of America are both immensely evil and terribly brilliant, and totally crazy. But they probably do not want to destroy their own seats of power, which is what one war too far will bring them.
You have it precisely, Ed. The prime reason for the USA’s hyper-belligerence (they have bee the instigator of 80% of ‘major conflicts’ since WW2, and the patrons of scores of despotisms and death-squad regimes)is the killing/ Murder in the one, true, US religion.
I have been pondering a strategy the Hezbollah paramilitary leadership may have discussed with Hamas should Israel decide to participate in a war against Iran.
I envision the IAF flying missions in support of “Operation Bomb Iran” out of one or more of the 12 airbases located throughout Israel. Is it possible a plan has been devised to skirmish those airbases using Palestinian volunteers that would draw the IDF ground troops in to protect them?
In other words, the Palestinian people would engage the IDF to make them focus attention on a rear guard movement while Hezbollah attacks from the north and forces Israel to fight on two fronts. It wouldn’t take much for a few armed soldiers of the Hamas Brigade to lead each group that harasses the 12 airbases. It is a bold scheme but could be done with thorough planning and preparation. It has never been done before by the Palestinians to my knowledge but the element of surprise weighs heavily in its favor (I think).
The US is totally overrated as it relates to military power.
Let us not forget that it has lost all its recent military engagements :
Afghanistan – after 17 years the US is currently begging the Taliband for a face-saving deal
Iraq – the US perpetrated numerous war crimes, but never prevailed militarily
Syria – Assad still call the shots in Damascus
Unless the US resorts to the usage of prohibited weapons – i.e. nuclear weapons – it cannot subdue Hezbollah or Iran.
And if they use nukes all bets are off and the fatwah against the construction of nukes currently in place in Iran will be lifted.
The bottom line is, neither Hezbollah or Iran is afraid of the US or Israel.
The US and Israel are accomplished in perpetrating war crimes but not much else.
News is now emerging that Trump’s decision to call of a US strike against Iran had nothing to do with the number of Iranians that would have died, as he said, but because the Iranians told them in no uncertain terms that any attack against the Islamic Republic, would be deemed as an act of war, to which it would respond forcefully with far reaching regional and international consequences.
The US is being goaded into a war against Iran by Israel and its supporters, that is just the plain and simple facr.
Trump tore up the JCPOA at the behest of Netanyahu and Adelson and is now becoming hostage to the events triggered by his stupid act.
Iran will not renegotiate the deal, nor will it abandon its regional allies or give up its missiles.
These are 3 things demanded by Israel via its vassal the United States.
A US war against Iran, on behalf of Israel, will have far reaching negative consequences for the US.
Selah
Unfortunately I consider it highly likely that they will use nukes. This may possibly be preceded by a false flag event involving the detonation of a nuclear device on US soil, which will of course be blamed on Iran. This will give them the justification that they need.
The level of evil we are dealing with is out of control. They must be stopped at all levels. This war with Iran needs to be stopped before it begins, or else it could be the beginning of a nuclear apocalypse, in which case the entire world, and the entire human race, will suffer immeasurably and be set back thousands of years.
The black flag of ISIS is from islamic eschatology. If you look carefully, you see, that they have long hair. The long hair is also from islamic schatology. If you look at the names they give eachother like Baghdadi, Yamani, Sheshen …. It is also taken from islamic eschatology. Even the fact, that they started the whole thing in Syria is also from islamic eschatology. And it goes on like this.
I thought Israel had an “Iron Dome”? Does that work or not?
When Netanyahu failed to assemble a coalition government, I was relieved thinking it would be a calm summer. He was suposed to be a lame-duck government caretaker. So why is he walking around, calling the shots, meeting with foreign officials? Shouldn’t he have a lower profile?
The man lives for the camera regardless of how stupid he may look!
Iron Dome is reported to have failed when the Palestinians fired 400 rockets at Israel. They also have Patriot missile defense systems and now with the US basing inside Israel, I imagine they would bring Aegis Ashore systems to defend their assets and some Israeli assets at the shared facilities.
They are at the mercy of the rocket launchers, be it Palestinian, Hezbollah, Syrian or Iranian.
The missiles that will come their way will not be stopped by these defense systems.
A war will take a mighty toll on Israel. The IDF knows this. Bibi doesn’t. He assumes if he starts a war, the US will save his sorry ass. But the next war will cost Israel whole cities.
The whole theory of air dominance assumes a defenseless victim state or people. Counter air dominance is accomplished, as we saw in North Korea, with overwhelming ground launched rocket, artillery, and missiles.
Israel had its chance in 2006. It will never win another war. Just as the US has never won another war after it couldn’t win in Korea and Viet Nam.
We see the same phenomena in Yemen. Saudi air power could not defeat the Houthis.
@Larchmonter445
You may be one of the best person (I know) here to give the dangerous question a stab (if you wish so)
– Do you think one day will come “the wandering 12 tribes” will lose the land under thier feet and sent back to the desert?
I have been pondering that too… If/when USSA is no more or not as it old-glory-self, what then?!
p/s All comments welcome.
People mostly talk about the israhelli treatment of the palestinians, while the zionist and dominant immigrant jews treatment of the original jewish population of Palestine parallels the palestinians. The inter jewish racism is evident. Muslims do accept the original jewish population of the land as belonging to the land side by side the christians.
Israhell can hardly sustain itself even despit all their theft, extortion and open military and monetary aid. Not to mention the fact, that the existance of the socalled jewish state is an abomination according to the jewish religion. My guess is, that the real power behind israhell is the Rothschild global banking and the politicians in their pockets. That is the real reason behind the illogical western support for israhell. Mind you, that when the zionists asked for the rothschilds help to create israhell, the Rothchilds demanded total control over the country. If you have ever wondered why the jews in the occupied Palestine can not own land, the Rothschild demand is the answer. They own the land. It has nothing to do with socialism or a few for show kibbutz. Israhell does play a military, colonial and geopolitical role in west asia but it has always been on lifesupport. Israhell will cease to exist, there is no if about it!
12 tribes? no one knows what happened to the tribes living in the the northern kingdom of Israel. That zionist beast that has terrorized the holy land must be called the ‘Zionist republic of judea’ instead of Israel because it’s an imposter state, it’s not the holy Israel of David.
I trust that Hezbollah leaves Israeli civilians alone. Best not be the type of genocidal beast that Israel is. Concentrate on air-force facilities until the Israeli Air Force is kaput, then watch Israel’s population rapidly head for Brooklyn and Golders Green.
Reports are they are building a new “homeland” in Patagonia.
And, the wet dream of Khazarians is Ukraine-South Russia and Black Sea Paradise.
So, it seems they have two fall-back possibles Zions.
However, there is still the reality that the IDF has 350 nukes of various sizes. So, it is doubtful Israel will simply fold and move.
Sigh :(
I have a few religious friends on that land who are quite worried… Thought I ask the experts here…
Not a pretty picture whichever way it flip… I can’t see a way (peacefully) out either…
Maybe the Roth or whoever can buy up all the Greeks islands, currently still on sale?! (I believe?) The Olives are there right?!
Thank you all. Peace.
If the Zionazis used nukes, Hezbollah and Iran would be tempted to target Dimona. A bad move for all concerned, but a possibility. And you can be certain that the Western fakestream media presstitute vermin would INSTANTLY forget the Zionazi nukes, or celebrate them, and concentrate, instead, on screeching about ‘New Holocausts’ and ‘antisemitism’ and urging that Iran be ‘obliterated’. Business as usual.
You’re making the same mistake conventional military thinkers make when dealing with guerrila mocements: Thinking that air power has any effect, it does very little.
The USA needs lebanon intact. A broken lebanon will strengthen Hezbollah and Iran as well as other anti US groups.
If the USA decides to go into Lebanon after Hezbollah they will have to deal with parallel attacks: one on israel in the form of thousands of rockets on tel aviv, one on it’s own forces in Syria and perhaps other areas in the region.
Moreover, if the USA decides to bomb Lebanon it’s an all or nothing game: Hezbollas highly distributed infrastructure will require Vietnam style carpet bombing.
This will lead to a destabilised country which Iran, the PLO and other groups will take advantage of to attack Israel.
History will in fact repeat itself, culminating in the the USA leaving lebanon the way it did when its barracks was bombed in the 80’s.
The US hands are tied.
Your point that a broken Lebanon will strengthen Hezbollah is probably valid. That’s what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The problem with that argument as a deterrent is that the US doesn’t care what it breaks – and Israel likes broken Middle East countries. Israel has said so in policy documents in the past. So that is not a deterrent to the US and Israel attacking Lebanon. Remember – they did it in 2006, without worrying about the consequences.
Your point about a US-Israel attack on Hezbollah being an “all or nothing game” is probably correct. That is my point. Israel absolutely wants a war with Iran. The *only* way they can get one and be assured that they will *not* have the crap bombed out of them by Hezbollah is to try to degrade or destroy Hezbollah.
And the *only* way they can do is with US help.
What I continue to stress is that US and Israel policy objectives are driving this situation. The military reality on the ground is not a deterrent to those policy objectives. North Korea had a serious military reality – their massive conventional forces that could cause fifty thousand US casualties in the first ninety days of a war with NK, according to Pentagon war games. That’s why Trump is forced to pursue diplomacy with NK despite all his previous threatening tweets.
The situation is different with both Hezbollah and Iran. The policy objectives of the US and Israel is that Iran has to be “regime changed” – however impossible that goal is. The real goal is continued war in the Middle East with the aim of deliberately producing “broken countries” – regardless of the issues that result produces for either Israel or the US.
Increased terrorism and other results of this policy are not existential or even policy threats to either the US or Israel. Both countries can handle whatever happens after they get their broken countries. Or at least they think they can. National leaders do what they think they can do – regardless of reality. Look at Hitler’s plans to destroy and take over all of Eastern Europe including Russia. It was possible – Germany tried it anyway.
Yes, the US and Israel will eventually be forced to leave Lebanon. That won’t matter once the Iran war gets started.
Yes, the US will bomb Iranian infrastructure into the Stone Age. Yes, the US will eventually be forced to admit failure in regime change in Iran and be forced to withdraw.
But that will take ten or twenty years, just like Afghanistan – even if the US casualties are far higher than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Because the goal *is* to produce a broken country out of Iran and make profits for the military-industrial complex and make the neocons feel like they rule the world – just like Hitler.
And that is no deterrent and doesn’t tie the US’ hands at all.
I find it difficult to understand why people can’t see this argument as perfectly straight forward. The only explanation I can see for this is cognitive dissonance. People don’t want to believe that the US and Israel are this corrupt.
But then the same people who think the US *is* that corrupt don’t want to believe that an Iran war can happen. So apparently they feel that since an Iran war would be so massively destructive of Iran and the Middle East that therefore it can’t happen.
My point is that the massive destruction and chaos of that war is precisely the *goal* of the policy planners in the US and Israel. And whatever happens to Israeli and US forces in the Middle East is simply not relevant to those planners – because those planners will never pay any price for that result.
As for Israel being “destroyed” – as everyone seems to believe – by Hezbollah, that’s not going to happen, regardless of the number of missiles Hezbollah has. The entire point of a joint US-Hezbollah attack is to prevent that from happening.
Yes, Israel will take a lot of damage initially from the start of the war. But if the US actually manages to conduct large-scale strategic bombing *and* the US and Israel can commit a sufficient number of troops – an overwhelming number of troops – on the ground, that damage can be at least minimized.
By minimized, I mean in comparison with what would happen to Israel in an Iran war without direct US support to Israel. That’s the whole point of a joint US-Israeli attack – to minimize what Hezbollah can do against Israel in an Iran war.
So Israel *has* to be prepared to take a certain degree of damage initially if it wants to degrade Hezbollah’s ability to do *massive* damage in the future. In other words, they need to pay now if they want to avoid paying a much higher price later.
And the only way they can do is if the US joins them.
Now once again, I am *not* saying that a joint US-Israel operation *necessarily* means they will *succeed* in degrading Hezbollah *sufficiently* for it to be considered a *success* in their own terms. What I am saying is that Israel *has to try* if they want their policy objectives to be even *possible* in their own terms. And so does the US.
In any case, *assuming* that this situation is “impossible” – which is what all the doubters are doing – is simply irrational. The US and Israel have been irrational for decades – so why is it so hard to accept that they might do something which to the rest of us is utterly irrational?
Reiterating the same old canards about how powerful Hezbollah and Iran is isn’t going to change US and Israeli irrationality.
I and the doubters will just have to agree to disagree – and wait and see what happens. If the US and Israel don’t attack Hezbollah and Iran for the next ten or fifteen years, then perhaps the doubters were right.
I’ve been predicting an Iran war for the last 13 years. It hasn’t happened yet – but that was because the 2007 NIE on Iran undercut Bush Jr.’s plans, and the 2006 failed Israeli war undercut Israel’s plans. And then we got Obama who in the end cut the JCPOA deal because he wanted a foreign policy win for his “legacy” – solely because he was a narcissist. Plus he knew whoever came after him would tear it up – which Trump did. But it was Hezbollah that kept Israel and the US from starting the Iran war for all that time.
Now Israel has Trump – who will do anything for them. So now’s the best time for Israel to deal with Hezbollah with US help.
Maybe Netanyahu hasn’t thought of that. Maybe no one in Israel or the US neocons have thought of that. That would make me wrong. Let’s see.
Richard, it is a mistake, that a lot of people make considering Hezbollah. What ever people think of Hezbollah today, it is nothing withour Syria. In this axis of resistance between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, Hezbollah is the for the lack of a better word a footsoldier. People are also often mistaken about the 2006 victory of Hezbollah. The biggest lesson the israhellis and the americans leared from that war was, that they had to destroy Syria in order to defeat both Hezbollah and Iran.
This is interesting:
” The biggest lesson the israhellis and the americans leared from that war was, that they had to destroy Syria in order to defeat both Hezbollah and Iran.”
They learned both the wrong lesson and went about it the wrong way, and as a result achieved the exact opposite of what they intended:
– A stable Syria means that Assad had to maintain cooperation with the EU and the US, any help to Hezbollah needed to be moderated and balanced with that in mind. Now there is absolutely no need for Assad to restrict assistance to Hezbollah over its territory – the floodgates are opened.
– ”Breaking” Syria has now given Hezbollah a massive new training ground, an unbroken line of continued training from the defeat of Israel in 2006 to the the current day. Experience with new weapons, tactics, formations of new networks of contacts, freedom to operate on Syrian and Iraqi territory unhindered by diplomatic concerns. In contrast, the IDF has not had any other training than target practice against Gaza protestors and West Bank kids.
– IF the house of Assad falls and the country with him, the resulting chaos will provide a medium for Hezbollah to continue their development alongside Israeli “borders”. Consider what arose out of Iraq, hundreds of militias and cells that the US has no control over. This is the opposite of what the US intended.
So the US and Israel chose the stupidest, most ineffective, most uncertain method to achieve their objectives against Hezbollah: They chose brute force because given a choice between thoughtfulness and action, the kind of people who rule us choose action instead – thoughtless action.
Instead, they should have offered Assad a deal – cut off Hezbollah and Iran, in return for the Golan and joint development of oil and gas resources with Israel as a major trading partner. It would have been so easy to do, but this kind of thinking is anathema to the megalomanic psychology of our rulers …
Regarding this point:
The problem with that argument as a deterrent is that the US doesn’t care what it breaks – and Israel likes broken Middle East countries
It’s different in this case: There is no buffer between Israel and Hezbollah once Lebanon is fractured. The only thing that keeps Hezbollah in check is that a profitable peace has emerged following the 2006 conflict. A fractured Lebabon means no rwason to hold back against the sole reason ot exists (Israel).
Do remember that Israeli and American occupation of Lebanon in the 80’s gave birth to Hizbollah. They wrote their fate then, and will think twice before tepeating the mistake.
The Americans do care what they break: anything that may result in Israel being jeapordised, for once Israel falls they lose their only true foothold in the middle east. This risk constrains what israel is allowed to do vis a vis Lebanon/Hezbollah: Like in 2006, the will pull Israel back if it believes Israel is escalating to a point that may be to their detriment. This is why the Americans are carefully exercising influence in Lebanon while not doing anything to destabilise it. Also why the Americans are creating a friendly buffer between Israel and the rest of Syria.
Remember – they did it in 2006, without worrying about the consequences.
They had no idea how it would turn out. The reality was a shock that has kept them out of Lebanon for 12 years going on. This was the first time a resistance movement was able to reach easily into the heart of Tel Aviv. They will certainly worry about the consequences now …
My point is that the massive destruction and chaos of tahat war is precisely the *goal* of the policy planners in the US and Israel. And whatever happens to Israeli and US forces in the Middle East is simply not relevant to those planners – because those planners will never pay any price for that result.
That is true largely, but for one thing: the security of Israel is something they value above all. During the 2006 war, once Hizbollah began striking Tel Aviv those planners scrambled to the UN to arrange a ceasefire on behalf of Israel (funny, it was never Nasrallah who asked for one).
If once again the missiles rain down on Tel Aviv, they will certainly care.
So Israel *has* to be prepared to take a certain degree of damage initially if it wants to degrade Hezbollah’s ability to do *massive* damage in the future. In other words, they need to pay now if they want to avoid paying a much higher price later.
Here’s the rub: Israel is fragile and can take far less damage than Hizbollah can deliver. 2006 was the first time the Israelis experienced what it is to face missile strikes in Tel Aviv, maybe Haifa, potentially Dimona. Understand that Tel Aviv and Haifa under full bombardment will mean the end if Israel. They knew it then, it’s truer now. Moreover, if Hezbollah decided to go all out on Tel Aviv and Haifa, and Hamas joins in from Gaza. Syrian groups start rocketing from near the Golan, Palestinians in the West bank begin a new intifada, Israel will crumble. All of these events can be compressed in to the timespan of a day so no matter how Israel retaliates, it will be too late to reverse the impact.
My point is that while Israel may possess powerful allies and formidable weaponry, it is built on a foundation of glass. It is capable of dealing great blows to its enemies but unable to take them. And it’s enemies grow more capable daily. The USA is aware of this, and so it will be careful not to intervene in Lebanon as it did almost 40 years ago, when its involvement created the headache it has today …
What I am saying is that Israel *has to try* if they want their policy objectives to be even *possible* in their own terms.
My observation across 40 years has been that this very *trying* in order to achieve those policy objectives resulted in their situation deteriorating to where it is now. Every time the went into lebanon they came out weaker. Every time the went into Gaza they were faced with their own impotence at the end of it. The harder they push the more the enemy grows …
Now Israel has Trump – who will do anything for them. So now’s the best time for Israel to deal with Hezbollah with US help.
Trump changes nothing. American presidents have been their loyal servant for decades, Trump just does it with more theater but to no greater degree.
I and the doubters will just have to agree to disagree – and wait and see what happens. If the US and Israel don’t attack Hezbollah and Iran for the next ten or fifteen years, then perhaps the doubters were right.
We can agree here. My prediction is that Israel will have no choice but to attack Lebanon. Time is not on Israel’s side, both demographically and due to the rapidly modernising Irani and Hezbollah enemy.
I also suspect that Assad has a sampson option prepared for Israel should a rainy day require it …
and what would that Sampson option be..for a rainy day? what would that rainy day look like..how could it come about?
Israeli defeat..that is what a rainy day suggests and Bibi having to leave the middle east leaves a booby trap behind. what would such a trap be?
it would of course be on a scale concurrent with the war/Jewish issue in the world..something large and extremely destructive..that would yet allow the Khazars room in the region, or space for safe flight..to get away with less loss while being not so favorable to the Arabs
I imagine however that the Muslim side would be looking for exactly that option as the struggle develops and if the Khazars are losing. it would not surprise me at all if the Muslims too developed an Option for the Khazars and their Sampson option.
what seems certain is that this will not end well at all for the world..and regardless it is the end of Khazar power in the middle east… if not in the world
for the western narrative espoched by the state player ‘america’ and the ‘nato state players’ when they manufacture horrendous weapons that can obliterate whole community like neutron bombs and hypersonic weapons it is for ,”SELF DEFENCE” but when the opposing ‘state players’ like iran or syria are considered, anything they manufacture for ACTUAL self defence it is narrated as….wait for the drum rolls…W.M.D!
is it not funny, when the leaders of the ‘FREE WORLD” like may,macron and trump threaten ”the barrel bomber” assad”..about ”gas bombing”, ”friendly”head choppers so admired by them?
for the west’s narrative controllers,top is down,left is right ,round is square and everything is kosher for whichever way they wanna present who is ”bad” and who is ”good”…when will ordinary westerners who tax contribute the non stop war, stop drinking this ,”we vs them”koolaide?….the answer is blowing in the wind.
The real problem is, that they themselves have not and do not suffer, while their leaders have been destroying nation afte nation for centuries. All the death and destruction they help bring upon the poor people of this world is just something they enjoy on tv. They have to suffer. I doubt anybody has yet conceived a punishment fitting their astronomical crimes. If poeple in paris, london or new york had to pick up pieces of their fathers, mothers and children from the rubble day after day, month after month and year after year, maybe then they stop. Who knows, maybe I will be alive to see it on tv!
be careful, don’t wish torment on the unawakened,this is falling for the ”we vs them” toxic koolaide this is the wet dream of the narrative controllers,one group vs another.,it is not personal it is just business for the arm industry and total control….”THEY DO NOT SUFFER”…not actually true, karma is a bitch, it might came late but it surely does to the street where the unawakened live.Are you not aware of the torment that who call themselves civilised are going through?.,they are immersed in ‘FEAR” ,dished out daily by their talking heads.,they might drown themselves in drugs,drinks & entertainment but there is wide spread fear about financial future,immigrant disruptions and fear,homelessness,loneliness ,drug abuse,sky rocketing cost of living,constant monitoring ,low birthrates,so on and so on,they are still sleep though.For the narrative controllers they are just useful idiots.Money and comfort does not dispel FEAR ,and fear eats away at the hearts.Do you really think that the ordinary unawakened israels and westerners are living life to the full?..dont envy people encased in FEAR.
Can we finally and for all dispense with the “wet dream” metaphor? Please?
As most everyone knows, the wet dream is an autonomic phenomenon that bears little in common with the calculated mendacity of those to whom it is thoughlessly applied on this website. Thought and words matter.
have a nice day.
Actually Ed I will tell you a secret of life, that only a few know! I can not talk about women, but if you are a man, I assure you, that behind the wet dreams you have are predators worse than you can imagine. Like milking a cow these predators suck the life energy out of men during the process, that you call autonomic. These beings are capable of staging your dreams as if they were directors. They take part in your dreams. They are the beautiful woman satisfying you in the dreams. Except they are not human! A dreamer knows this fact! Any rational human being will laugh at this possibility. I thought the same thing myself years ago. Tell what I have said here to any true shaman, any true dreamer, any true religious teacher and they will tell you the same thing. Even amongst those true men, some fight them and some give in to them. I have no illusions about you accepting this fact. It goes against everything we are taught. But it is what it is!
What you say, I’m inclined to believe.
I’m making a different point, though, about improving the quality of our rhetoric and, accordingingly, the quality of our thought.
Who am I to argue against that Ed.
With regards
Send a few my way. I dont have any of that kind of entertainment and still wake up depleted.
Words are tools of the mind (thoughts) and are flexible, mobile constructs with, often, have many meanings, including symbolism, metaphor, etc.
Your mind fixates on the first definition, which is clearly a non-scientific definition in the first place.
So, we will use wet dream as we feel it suits the context of what we comment on.
Often, comments get quite conversational.
Often, comments get quite conversational.
Sorry if you are uncomfortable with it.
Perhaps, a shower will help you cope.
anonymous, tell it to their millions upon millions of victims. It is true that a working man in usa has more in common with a working man in Venezuela, than he has with the rich in his own country, at least in some aspects. But it doesnt make them a victim like their victims. In the book “All the Shah´s men” the author quotes the british saying, that without the money from the iranian oil they would not be able to create their modern society. The british workers would go to the streets demonstrating in support of colonial rule over India too! The bombs that are built, the planes that fly them, the food that their pilots eat to sustain them selves, the clothing they wear, the water they drink …. All of it are make by the same workers. We can´t all be a fat prince sitting under a tree trying to cheat life!
Nasrallah understands the situation well and so do his enemies. Hezbollah will fight to the death from Lebanon should it be invaded. The money saturated dictators and their powerful western allies cannot abide those who cannot be bought off or corrupted by their bribes and their sanctions. They have money as their God and their love of money by which alone makes them imagine they are powerful is an evil to be confronted head on. Nasrallah doesn’t mince his words and his predictions have been proven correct over an extended period.
Western diplomats represent gangsters who having sanctioned and impoverished their targeted nation make insane demands. There were no WMD’s in Iraq, there are no nuclear weapons being built in Iran and there are no Iranian factories building missiles in Lebanon, Iraq or in Syria. But if there were so what?
All the useless time and energy acted out by western politicians, carefully amplified and manufactured in media by their corporate financial owners are contrived conspiracies in order to resort to military might in the interests of neoliberal capitalism. It’s euphemism is ‘western interests’. Its aimed at the poor who are supposed to die for this cause. Its victims are largely superfluous collateral damage. Trump didn’t want to see 150 people killed but would obliterate nations? White secular and traditional ‘Christian’ nations would rally to the cause in servile support for status and spoils. Its a thundering disgrace and we the people are largely to blame. We are afraid, cowardly and rendered mute by evil’s machinations. We will die too if we don’t change. We need courage, organization and ingenuity to defeat the monstrous forces aligned against the poor in what has become a global a class war.
We must fight for the poor in our world in a united battle. We must seek no reward other than the prospect of defeating the rich and their pernicious aims. They must be uprooted and securely exiled before they destroy humanity itself. One cannot compromise with insatiable greed of usurious criminal parasitic psychopaths. They render the planet sick and unhealthy for habitation. They devour and consume their host which is the overwhelming majority of human beings and they mock nature itself. It’s real evil and it’s coming to visit you and future generations. Its presently operating on steroids. War is highly likely to spiral totally out of control. Time to waken up while we still can. Only the blind, deaf and dumb cannot perceive the mounting danger of insane war.
yes the fault is our own,but there are psychopaths in the ‘not west’ too,something almost not considered by the ordinary citizens of the ‘not west”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxNcS9MrfXE
And here is the answer to their fake humanism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoIEPB-HH8
It’s a battle between Good and Evil. On one side, Nasrallah et al. On the other Jeffrey Epstein and his ilk.
In my opinion, the most recent push to war is partly to do with Lebanon opening up block 9 to exploration. Israel has been putting much pressure to try to block this. Total will be doing the exploration, they are the only major willing to do it. Total, even with the untimely demise of a great CEO, is still a reasonable company which does not always tow the line for the NWO elite.
I suspect things will keep heating up in an attempt to block exploration late this year of Block 9. Israel does not want a prosperous neighbor to the north. That says everything you need to know about them. What sane people would not want prosperous neighbors? Prosperity and peace go hand in hand.
https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1545191/lebanon%E2%80%99s-energy-minister-oil-gas-exploration-continues-despite-israeli
Israel’s problems with their neighbors are self-inflicted and I have zero sympathy for them because of that. If you allow your neighbors to be prosperous, you will have a more peaceful situation. If you constantly try to steal from them and block their future, expect hem to hate you. By that standard, Israeli’s are some of the dumbest, greediest people on this planet.
It is quite obvious that an Israel, on its 1947 borders, living at peace with its neighbours, would be safer than now and as prosperous. But the Zionazi ideology takes the worst of Talmudist supremacism and hatred of others and weds it to Western colonial racism and 20th century fascism, to produce an ideology of pure Evil, and self-destruction. Quite sad, but typical of the worst impulses of the worst among us.
Mulga; Hi. Am I reading you right to interpret you as being of the opinion that the Talmudic Zionists and their kind are running a collective unconscious death wish? You use the word “Thanatos” a lot which implies that seeking death is a hidden motivation involved in this massive drama. I am starting to see myself that this is indeed the case. They may say that if they can’t rule the whole world they can at least destroy the whole world and meet the “Messiah” in Jerusalem. There appears to be something of a matching eschatological hunger amongst certain elements on the Islamic side. I believe Minute by Minute was referring to this element. Did he not quote Islamic text to say that Iran was predicted to do in Saudia Arabia 1400 years ago? What I believe I am starting to see in all of this is that all three patriarchal religions are carrying forward an unconscious wish for the death of a lonely soul less patriarchy. And in order to further this they are all meeting together in an insane three way dance, that may be so massive that it is unstoppable. Therefore to be accepted by us as we turn to seek the fruit to be found in the aftermath. This is all starting to smell so eschatological. From three different religious perspectives. Aside from the religious flavor it does seem to me that from a psychological point of view we are looking at a collective unconscious death wish. If this is right then the logic offered by Richard Steven Hack seems sound to me. Your thoughts please, as I value your educated perspective highly.
Snow, how on Earth do you explain the cancer cult, capitalism, without taking Thanatos into account? How do you explain ‘businessmen’ as in the tobacco, fossil fuels, junk food, alcohol, gambling etc ‘industries’ that seek profit through destroying lives, either completely, and in their tens of millions, or bit by bit, without resort to encompassing a Death Instinct into the equation? Not just worshiping Death as an instrument of Power, that they wield, but also as a means to an end-their own, as they feel the burden of existence too great to bear. The latter, I think, explains their vulgar, bunkum, religiosity, devoid of true spirituality, as well, and, at the other pole, the terrible perversity of the likes of Jeffrey Epstein and the defilers of others.
I spend as little time as possible, nowadays, contemplating public life in this country, and in the West as a whole. In regard to Austfailia, I can think of very few public figures in politics, the brainwashing systems and business who are really morally and intellectually admirable people. A few of the better trade unionists, one or two environmentalists and other figures, the more the greater the distance from real power, do qualify, but the closer to power, the greater the swinishness. The heights of power are infested with what I can only describe as monsters, creatures as incompetent and stupid as they are vicious, and often outright Evil, at least in my opinion. It is deeply depressing, but somehow, given the last forty years or so, inevitable. It is worsening rapidly, too.
The suggestion that Israel must first degrade the capabilities of Hezbollah before initiating a war with Iran seems a bit off to me. First, Israel is already doing everything possible to promote hostilities between the US and Iran now. This would seem to imply that Israel is much less concerned about possible reaction by Hezbollah to a confrontation between Iran and the US than one might think they should be. But more importantly, I believe it is unlikely that Israel would themselves deploy a large ground force to attack Lebanon. It would put too many Jewish lives at risk. True, the strategy they clearly would prefer would be a joint attack with the US. But only if the brunt of the fighting was born by US troops. I could certainly imagine Israel providing air support and follow-on ground forces but more would be too risky and no doubt hoped unnecessary. The current stalemated situation between the US and Iran seems to me likely an indication of a limitation of US military capability. I’m sure Trump would be happy to attack Iran if possible. If true, it may also be that such a commitment by the US as would be required for an invasion of Lebanon is also not practical. So the risk of war may be less than would appear at first glance.
The Judaic elites have always been quite willing to sacrifice their non-elite tribal fellows, if they thought that their sacrifice would further strengthen Jewish elite power, wealth and influence.
I agree that the lives of ordinary Jews count for little in that context. Sadly however, the lives of Gentiles count for even less.
Israel, the aggressor in the Middle East is lying about their WMD since decades and even transport high toxic chemicals hidden in EL AL passenger planes which is absolutely forbidden (Amsterdam incident 1992). Nobody is bothering. The defence of Libanon against Israeli aggression is more than justified.
I am from Vancouver,Canada and I wanted to say that I supports the Hezbollah Attack on Israel for its aggression against Lebanon.If it wasn’t for Hezbollah,Israel would still be occupying South Lebanon.Israel is the enemy of Lebanon and Palestine. The majority of people in the world supports Hezbollah and the Palestinian People in their fight against Israeli aggression and occupation of Palestine.Israel shouldn’t be recognized by any Gov’t in the world because of its occupation of Palestine and its aggression in Lebanon.