Pepe Escobar : Posted with permission and x-posted with Strategic Culture Foundation
The New Silk Roads – or Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – were launched by President Xi Jinping in 2013, first in Central Asia (Nur-Sultan) and then Southeast Asia (Jakarta).
One year later, the Chinese economy overtook the U.S. on a PPP basis. Inexorably, year after year since the start of the millennium, the U.S. share of the global economy shrinks while China’s increases.
China is already the key hub of the global economy and the leading trade partner of nearly 130 nations.
While the U.S. economy is hollowed out, and the casino financing of the U.S. government – repo markets and all – reads as a dystopian nightmare, the civilization-state steps ahead in myriad areas of technological research, not least because of Made in China 2025.
China largely beats the U.S. on patent filings and produces at least 8 times as many STEM graduates a year than the U.S., earning the status of top contributor to global science.
A vast array of nations across the Global South signed on to be part of BRI, which is planned for completion in 2049. Last year alone, Chinese companies signed contracts worth up to $128 billion in large-scale infrastructure projects in dozen of nations.
The only economic competitor to the U.S. is busy reconnecting most of the world to a 21st century, fully networked version of a trade system that was at its peak for over a millennia: the Eurasian Silk Roads.
Inevitably this state of things is something interlocking sectors of the U.S. ruling class simply would not accept.
Branding BRI as a “pandemic”
As the usual suspects fret over the “stability” of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Xi Jinping administration, the fact is the Beijing leadership has had to deal with an accumulation of extremely severe issues: a swine-flu epidemic killing half the stock; the Trump-concocted trade war; Huawei accused of racketeering and about to be prevented from buying U.S. made chips; bird flu; coronavirus virtually shutting down half of China.
Add to it the incessant United States government Hybrid War propaganda barrage, trespassed by acute Sinophobia; everyone from sociopathic “officials” to self-titled councilors are either advising corporate businesses to divert global supply chains out of China or concocting outright calls for regime change – with every possible demonization in between.
There are no holds barred in the all-out offensive to kick the Chinese government while it’s down.
A Pentagon cipher at the Munich Security Conference once again declares China as the greatest threat, economically and militarily, to the U.S. – and by extension the West, forcing a wobbly EU already subordinated to NATO to be subservient to Washington on this remixed Cold War 2.0.
The whole U.S. corporate media complex repeats to exhaustion that Beijing is “lying” and losing control. Descending to sub-gutter, racist levels, hacks even accuse BRI itself of being a pandemic, with China “impossible to quarantine”.
All that is quite rich, to say the least, oozing from lavishly rewarded slaves of an unscrupulous, monopolistic, extractive, destructive, depraved, lawless oligarchy which uses debt offensively to boost their unlimited wealth and power while the lowly U.S. and global masses use debt defensively to barely survive. As Thomas Piketty has conclusively shown, inequality always relies on ideology.
We’re deep into a vicious intel war. From the point of view of Chinese intelligence, the current toxic cocktail simply cannot be attributed to just a random series of coincidences. Beijing has serial motives to piece this extraordinary chain of events as part of a coordinated Hybrid War, Full Spectrum Dominance attack on China.
Enter the Dragon Killer working hypothesis: a bio-weapon attack capable of causing immense economic damage but protected by plausible deniability. The only possible move by the “indispensable nation” on the New Great Game chessboard, considering that the U.S. cannot win a conventional war on China, and cannot win a nuclear war on China.
A biological warfare weapon?
On the surface, coronavirus is a dream bio-weapon for those fixated on wreaking havoc across China and praying for regime change.
Yet it’s complicated. This report is a decent effort trying to track the origins of coronavirus. Now compare it with the insights by Dr. Francis Boyle, international law professor at the University of Illinois and author, among others, of Biowarfare and Terrorism. He’s the man who drafted the U.S. Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 signed into law by George H. W. Bush.
Dr. Boyle is convinced coronavirus is an
“offensive biological warfare weapon” that leaped out of the Wuhan BSL-4 laboratory, although he’s “not saying it was done deliberately.”
Dr. Boyle adds, “all these BSL-4 labs by United States, Europe, Russia, China, Israel are all there to research, develop, test biological warfare agents. There’s really no legitimate scientific reason to have BSL-4 labs.” His own research led to a whopping $100 billion, by 2015, spent by the United States government on bio-warfare research: “We have well over 13,000 alleged life science scientists… testing biological weapons here in the United States. Actually this goes back and it even precedes 9/11.”
Dr. Boyle directly accuses “the Chinese government under Xi and his comrades” of a cover up “from the get-go. The first reported case was December 1, so they’d been sitting on this until they couldn’t anymore. And everything they’re telling you is a lie. It’s propaganda.”
The World Health Organization (WHO), for Dr. Boyle, is also on it: “They’ve approved many of these BSL-4 labs (…) Can’t trust anything the WHO says because they’re all bought and paid for by Big Pharma and they work in cahoots with the CDC, which is the United States government, they work in cahoots with Fort Detrick.” Fort Detrick, now a cutting-edge bio-warfare lab, previously was a notorious CIA den of mind control “experiments”.
Relying on decades of research in bio-warfare, the U.S. Deep State is totally familiar with all bio-weapon overtones. From Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Korea, Vietnam and Fallujah, the historical record shows the United States government does not blink when it comes to unleashing weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians.
For its part, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA) has spent a fortune researching bats, coronaviruses and gene-editing bio-weapons. Now, conveniently – as if this was a form of divine intervention – DARPA’s “strategic allies” have been chosen to develop a genetic vaccine.
The 1996 neocon Bible, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), unambiguously stated, “advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”
There’s no question coronavirus, so far, has been a Heaven-sent politically useful tool, reaching, with minimum investment, the desired targets of maximized U.S. global power – even if fleetingly, enhanced by a non-stop propaganda offensive – and China relatively isolated with its economy semi paralyzed.
Yet perspective is in order. The CDC estimated that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. No less than 647,000 people were hospitalized. And 61,200 died.
This report details the Chinese “people’s war” against coronavirus.
It’s up to Chinese virologists to decode its arguably synthetic origin. How China reacts, depending on the findings, will have earth-shattering consequences – literally.
Setting the stage for the Raging Twenties
After managing to reroute trade supply chains across Eurasia to its own advantage and hollow out the Heartland, American – and subordinated Western – elites are now staring into a void. And the void is staring back. A “West” ruled by the U.S. is now faced with irrelevance. BRI is in the process of reversing at least two centuries of Western dominance.
There’s no way the West and especially the “system leader” U.S. will allow it. It all started with dirty ops stirring trouble across the periphery of Eurasia – from Ukraine to Syria to Myanmar.
Now it’s when the going really gets tough. The targeted assassination of Maj. Gen. Soleimani plus coronavirus – the Wuhan flu – have really set up the stage for the Raging Twenties. The designation of choice should actually be WARS – Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome. That would instantly give the game away as a War against Humanity – irrespective of where it came from.
Moving factories to other emerging market countries takes time and money. The pindos are a bit late for that.
But I am more interested in the Chinese retaliation: the US aim was to financially hurt China and isolate it. The payback will be the same: maybe selling all of US Treasuries? Also, China could renegotiate all loans given in US $ to BRI projects and accept that they are paid back in local currencies – thus making demand for $ nil. No better way to financially hurt the US plus isolate it as the $ isn’t needed anymore.
As long as there is trade between the two country’s, China will always need dollars so as to not have to pay the exchange rate fees. No trade no business, no business, economy goes in to a recession, bills arent paid on time, people get mad. Retaliation is bad idea, accountability is a good idea.
The US produces little if anything that China needs, or that it cannot get elsewhere.
Not even planes any more.
Who needs green paper?
Right, but they sell a lot here and get paid in dollars, so they most always have an excess of dollars by way of trade surplus. The only way to rid yourself of dollars is to rid your self of trade, do you know what happens to both economy’s if trade were to cease? Who needs stuff, who needs pork and soybeans and crude oil? Both country’s do, so who needs green paper? The Chinese would among many until a different monetary transmission mechanism is developed and lets face it, this is going to take time.
Alabama – here is where Pepe, in his momentous article, anticipated and addressed your point:
“After managing to reroute trade supply chains across Eurasia to its own advantage and hollow out the Heartland, American – and subordinated Western – elites are now staring into a void. And the void is staring back. A “West” ruled by the U.S. is now faced with irrelevance. BRI is in the process of reversing at least two centuries of Western dominance.”
We are in deep do-doo thanks to out psychopath plutocrats and their drooling minions such as Trump, Pompeo, Esper and Kissinger.
You can be sure they have a plan.
If you remember that Rothschild brought Mao to power, as well as Rockefeller brought chiang-kai-chek to power, it was not lose, either way the PTB won China. Just like Russia, just like USA, just like the entire earth.
They have had 100% of control of Chinese people since 1950’s, in the meantime the USA is an open-sore. The coming ‘culling’ planned in USA by 2025, planned forever by Rockefeller will end the USA gun problem once and for all.
Most resources in USA have been extracted, think oil, timber, .. all that remains is coal, which can sit there for another few hundred years.
Everything is going exactly to plan, if you bother to study Rockefeller Regionalism documents from back in 1950’s, they meticulously laid out everything. Even Hitlers New-World-Order was brought into the Rockefeller Plan. Same, with Hitler they didn’t know if he would win or not, they had given him the plans back in the 1920’s, once he lost the created ‘operation paperclip’, brought over all the planners, and put the program into motion first in Iraq ( under Hussien ) and later post JFK here in the USA.
China still has a voracious appetite for crude oil, all priced in dollars. Until this changes, and they are trying, they will still need access to dollars to complete these transactions, and this is going to take awhile.
“The only way to rid yourself of dollars is to rid your self of trade, ”
No, the only way to rid yourself of dollars is to spend them.
China ceased accumulating dollars on a net basis in 2013. Indeed Japan, not a sovereign country, is now the largest foreign holder of US treasuries. When foreigners cease accumulating dollars, then US government deficits have to be financed by increased domestic savings, increased taxes or Federal Reserve money printing. Instead of accumulating treasuries China is increasing gold reserves and investing BRI. Do you think the US government is happy with that?
That is where we are now.
The US economy is 15% at most – and falling – of the global economy. What sense does it make for China, Russia, or any other country, either to use the USD as payment, or to hold the USD in the form of Trreasuries as a store of value? It doesn’t. Which is why China, Russia and other countries are gradually de-dollarising.
Trade takes place – not because of Dollars or any other currency, but because A and B each has something the other wants, and are ready to exchange.
This move away from the USD will of course destroy the basis of Us geopolitical primacy.
It might be where you are at now, but I doubt you understand currency reserves, Its not a store of value, treasuries are only paying like 1.5% on the 10 year. Its a means of payment when paying in dollars. As of last month China has 3+ trillion of foriegn reserves mostly in dollars, here’s the chart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves
Most nations hold the vast majority of their foreign currency reserves in U.S. dollars and a much smaller portion in euros.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/033115/10-countries-biggest-forex-reserves.asp
Yes they can get things ‘elsewhere’, but those other people want to be paid in US dollars not Yuan. THAT is why the dollar is important to them, and everyone else. It’s very convenient to have a currency that is in good supply and that can be used by everyone. Until that changes, the idea that China doesn’t need ‘dollars’ is dead wrong. They and the Russians are working to get free from this restriction, but it is not easy, and will take a long time.
If China proves, to its own satisfaction, that the Wuhan coronavirus was a US engineered act of terror, then some kind of smart very hurtful retaliation will actually be necessary for ensuring China’s survival. Turning the other cheek is never going to work with Uncle Shmuel and would only embolden him further to unleash further acts of madness.
If this Wuhan CV is as contagious and lethal as the MSM reports, then the US will be in worse shape by May than China is today, if only because the Chinese are more conditioned to deal with hardship. So what would be the great advantage to US Deep State “patriots” of “taking out” the Chinese economy a quarter before the US economy gets whacked even harder? But maybe there is a clandestine third player with technological assets in this drama who is like the nasty flirt in the bar who suggest, “Why don’t you and him fight?”
Let us not forget that the Chinese government has a Rothschild central bank and is a member of the IMF with a reserve currency as part of the SDR basket. What if they are playing ball with the rest of our masters using this purported virus to pop the unsustainable quadrillions of debt and derivatives along with the rest of the everything bubble, and plunge the world into the total desperation of the greatest depression, and thus ready for the global reset into the Hunger Games? And the people rage against the virus as opposed to the banksters who crafted it all for decades.
However, let me suggest the unthinkable. What if this issue is not being caused by an invisible virus at all, but rather some other contaminant, like say a communication system based on invisible 60 GHz radiation which is absorbed by molecular oxygen and puts it into a higher quantum energy state and less accessible to be combined with hemoglobin leading to a relative state of asphyxiation? What if these PCR kits for certifying these cases are totally bogus in terms of validity, accuracy,. and manipulation? How would we know? As easily hacked as a US election computer by an 11 year old? What if the 300,000 people in China who die “normally” of pneumonia every year are being used as pawns in a nasty game? Stage magicians have been pulling off this psy-op for centuries, look here but don’t look here, and 99+% of us fall for it or they would have been out of business long ago. The people who run this planet are very much like stage magicians in term of how they operate, only vicious.
Alabama
I would like to point out that both Russia and China are discarding the US dollar and trading in local currencies. Both are accumulating gold and preparing to introduce gold backed currencies.
As for the coronavirus epidemic in China, I am reading conflicting accounts of it’s origin. According to initial reports, the virus was caused by Chinese eating bats. Strange that coronavirus did not appear centuries before, since bats have been eaten in China for a long time. Now I am reading that the virus was created in a Chinese bio lab, obviously “escaping”, which I am having trouble accepting. The unfortunate impression is that the virus is a US product, most probably created at the US bio lab in Fort Dietrich, the same bio lab which produced and distributed AIDS. As for the coronavirus, the intent, obviously, was to have the virus “exported” to Russia, which as yet has not happened, as Russia has closed all border crossings with China.
As I have written before, the US empire is collapsing and like all empires it will not accept a defeat, ie. a collapse. It starts to play dirty, and I am pretty sure that coronavirus is an example of this dirty play.
RATM
“But I am more interested in the Chinese retaliation”
My guess it will be/is of an “Olympus Mons”* sort.
*Olympus Mons is a shield volcano on Mars and it is the largest volcano in the Solar System. But the slope is so gradual that one walking up much of it would hardly notice it.
Vot tak,
I like your Olympus Mons analogy,
But I don’t think the Chinese response will be slow/unnoticable. Till now, I can understand their rationale to hold on to US Treasuries, slowly using them to finance BRI projects (for the USTs not to loose too much value). But that strategy is no more: the Chinese will obviously loose money, either by dumping the Treasuries or due to their economy being paralyzed by lockdowns. And I bet, the AngloZionists got more viruses lined up as we speak.
So the only way out is to make the US become preoccupied with their own internal problems and leave China be. Of course, Chinese won’t stoop to pindo levels and release a retaliatory bio-weapon, but a Treasury dump followed by a US economic breakdown and the ensuing internal chaos will do.
This is all of course just my huntch, but we shall see how things turn out. The Iranians also didn’t hold back, which tells me they (Ru, Ch, Ir) are all ready to dump the US even with full confrontation if need be.
@RATM
I have read from RT Russia has very little US dollars left, dumped them all. Look at the latest trade deal between China and Japan. They have ignored the US dollar; trade will be in their respective currency. Russia does not use the US dollar in their trade; they specify they want Euro or the Russian ruble.
I suggest that China should dump all the $1.2 trillion U.S. bonds all at once. Let us see how the Evil empire will react.
Lastly, do not forget the Rare EArth elements. China can impose a total ban of imports of Rare Earth elements to the US.
@RATM
You’re simply denying reality. Supply chains had already started moving out of China prior to this disaster, now it will accelerate. Will they move back to the US like Peter Navarro and Wilbur Ross claim? No, those Trump officials are lying, it’s election time and such talk is expected. You think that China will dump their treasury holdings, they can’t, because it will only put China in a bigger hole than they currently are.
Multinationals are diversifying their supply chains to ASEAN, India, Mexico, etc. because this sort of centralization has really exposed them. Secondly, the cost of labor in China is much higher than other Asian countries even parts of Russia have lower costs of labor. Thirdly, China’s demographics will only make this labor shortage worse as time goes on:China’s population is aging and they don’t have not enough young people thanks to their disastrous one child policy.
It’s over, China’s is in no shape to confront the US. That line of thinking is discredited. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. Consider the ruthlessness of the kind of people that are willing to release a bioweapon for economic gain or to shape economic policy I don’t think we can discount the possibility this could be a deliberate release, just look at the timing, who might have done it? No idea. Perhaps it was natural or perhaps it was an accidental release from the Wuhan biolab, we just don’t know. But timing is at worst possible time it could happened for China’s export based policy, this is hard to ignore.
“… who might have done it? No idea. Perhaps it was natural or perhaps it was an accidental release from the Wuhan biolab, we just don’t know”
It’s answer c – as in CIA has done it, the one you conveniently left out.
Anyhow, you better short the US market coz a crash is coming.
@RATM
You are en pointe! Many financial analysts are not even calling it a crash. It is will be the Great Financial Reset where the US dollar will be left in the dust. Remember, the evil empire is in its Fourth Turning.
RATM,
You depict a (global class war) scenario where the winners are Ru, Ch, Ir and the rest of the oppressed world. A kind of premonition that many of us share with you. It would be nice if it happened, efficiently, with no much suffering for the large majority of humanity. We must prepare for it, as there are too many people suffering too much, already…
Great article by Pepe. The U.S., though, is not the only user of biological weapons. So do Britain and France, and Britain Brexeted.
Rome lost an army trying to take Yemen and brought back instead the Antonine plagues. Looks like a bad rhyme on an old pattern of history, with the U.S., the New Rome, about to be set back by a plague it had a hand in making, even as it seeks to overcome Dumb Giant status.
China and Iran are the least able to retaliate against such weapons. But who benefits, comes up the middle, from a U.S-China fight? Not Russia; losing trade with the U.S., then now China, is economically not great. Nor does India benefit long-term. Europe, though, may be a different matter. Macron is already on record as warning China, the Silk Roads cannot be one way. Even though, France brings about as much to China as Renault to Nissan and Japan.
Although U.S. globalist imperialists are aligned with Euro globalists imperialists at times, its not clear how the U.S. benefits from COVID-19 when it starts spreading on U.S. soil during a critical U.S. election year. From a U.S. nationalist perspective, the U.S. may also be a target.
The earliest vaccines may become available in April. However, some scientists predict that COVID-19 will become an endemic 5th cornonavirus strain in human circulation. COVID-19 may also have the ability to re-infect recovered individuals, placing into question the efficacy of a vaccine. The U.S. would not dodge this bullet in 2020.
All the leading U.S. Presidential candidates are geezers, including field leaders Bernie and Trump.
COVID-19 looks like some kind of reset weapon meant to cap a Hilary Presidency and the 2020 Presidential Curse of Tippcanoe, but Trump or Bernie may do. There’s no way this coronavirus was developed by Chinese alone in the couple of years China had its BSL-4 lab. COVID-19 appears too refined and stable.
The spread pattern in China and elsewhere looks odd as well. Not from a single patient zero, which peacetime models rely on by default, but multiple releases staggered over time. Hubei is kept dying. But also popping up in odd places like Northern Italy or Qoms, Iran. Seems reliant on some kind of underground network skirting major international centres where public health defenses are not be as built up.
Very good thoughful piece and pls let me highlight again a few potentially important info/clues in this Covid-19:
1) The earliest vaccines may become available in April
2) COVID-19 appears too refined and stable
3) The spread pattern in China and elsewhere looks odd as well
Moving supply chains out of China to other labour intensive countries (say India, Vietnam and Indonesia) not only cost time and money. They also don’t have China’s productivity (including productivity increased by an order of magnitude with AI), infrastructure, logistics and the scale of China’s consumer markets both now and in the future.
So moving supply chains out of China is inane.
… Also doesn’t help much once those countries get COVID-19.
South Korea’s Samsung moved production to Vietnam, but now Samsung has to shut down factories in SK due to COVID-19 in SK itself.
Offshoring from China was already happening; automation and AI was doing what Trump’s trade war accelerated.
COVID-19 conveniently excuses a ‘natural’ global downturn at politically critical time in the U.S., and economically critical time in China when they needed to be transitioning, or better balancing, internally-based market growth over export-based markets.
Epidemics from China seem to happen every 10-11 years in the last three years of the decade (x6-x9’s). COVID-19 late-off by a year.
2017-8 was a bad flu year, but there was no panic or acronymic virus, and that should have been it.
It surely looks as though a tech- wreck cannot now be avoided. That is survivable.
But a breakdown in food/fuel supply chains is not.
So what’s the next virus from the Yanks? A crop blight similar to the swine flu virus?
It’s very clear how this WAS one plank in the multi-step escalatory attack on China.
Hong Kong was a Ukraine-style insurrection that was done to disrupt maintains China politically. It didn’t have the full effect so they moved onto biological tactical attacks.
The attack in Wuhan was a setup, clear as day. The CIA or whomever created and allowed this lab to be built and setup enough of a story to make the idea of Chiba accidentally releasing it out of incompetence credible. However it’s clear now the strain is highly modified, cross long multiple species and truncated with the HOV to cause a collapse in the immune system. This virus has a long incubation period, is most contagious very early on without symptoms. It’s clear as day it was engineered.
If this doesn’t work then there’s i asinine even more escalation planned. Outright conventional war while half your country is in lock down? Sounds nefarious enough. Would cripple their ability to mobilize and provide logistics support in the factories.
This was an escalation too far unless they see the end of the road fast approaching on our financial and thus military power.
France helped China set up the Wuhan lab, not the U.S., and the Rothschilds hold more sway there than the CIA.
That is already happening with the locust swarms destroying harvests in Africa, Pakistan and ME.
@ Simon Chow
Fall army worm, though this is far more difficult to pin and biowarfare.
This bug China can fight, using drones. Apparently with 98% effectiveness.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-02/china-drone-attack-on-crop-eating-monster-shows-98-kill-rate
Is there more detail how the drones operate? Bloomberg is a pay site and I don’t feel like giving them money. I would like to know how the swarm is controlled and if the drones target individual caterpillars and shoot them with a dose of poison.
I just hope China’s economy remains strong enough for them to help out in Syria.
Be at peace :) Syria is safe and good for now. All is well in its time.
There is the ‘China’s economy’ then there is the ‘china foreign reseved’ and then there is the ‘china gold standard’… The money game is just that – a game (of power and control)
I am 99% sure this Covid-19 is not the “main dish”
Covid-19 is ‘look here!”
So? What is “DON’T LOOK THERE”?
Cyber warfare.
I like Pepe a great deal. I read every article he writes.
Also, I would not put it past the “crazies” in Washington to release a bio-weapon on China.
Look, if they wold kill Qasem Soleimani and risk a regional conflagration in the middle east … well, they are pretty damn reckless and capable of just about anything.
Moreover, there is logical support for the bioweapon hypothesis.
The virus itself binds to receptors found in abundance in Chinese males.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1
That strikes me as a tad bit suspicious.
And there is more.
There’s the fact that the Western media started claiming this was a Chinese bioweapon that accidentally got loose from Chinese biowarfare labs. Well, is that believable? Do you believe that the Chinese would construct a weapon that preferentially kills Chinese males in 1) the geographic center of their own country 2) in the middle of a gigantic city connected by mass transportation to other major population centers and 3) in an area which just happens to be one of China major technological development zones?
If you believe that, I have a bridge you might be interested in.
Anyway, that bit of western-media-spin-doctoring strikes me as even more suspicious for two reasons.
First, because it is so completely absurd.
Second, because of the known connections of the intelligence community to the Western media.
It really makes you wonder.
But, for what it is worth, I am hearing that in China absolutely no one there believes that this is a bio-weapon. They are convinced that this virus arose naturally in animals and mutated so as to pass to humans.
The western media spin doctoring appears to be nothing more than another “China bad” mime. Just ordinary low level propaganda.
It is a stretch to think of this as a bio weapon, b/c the same weapon could paralyze the same people who brought it on and thus jeopardize whatever outcome it was meant to induce. And from my standpoint it doesnt matter where or how it got loose, only that can it be contained.
So far its slowly spreading but here and there, there are reports of it doubling the infections almost over night on a small scale. Should this go big with the doubling’s, now we have a problem.
Alabama,
I tend to doubt that it is a bioweapon myself.
The fact that it is especially transmissible to Chinese males is suspicious. But the disease is apparently a fast-mutator. It is also extremely contagious. That means it could end up spreading to any population at all.
Still, it is a nasty virus and, just like you, I am watching it carefully.
I did post a link to the article below, but because it’s in Russian, and I dont know how the link will work for people who dont have an automatic translator, I though it might be more helpful if I do a copy paste of the entire, as it is relevant to the this discussion.
From Chinese News: russian-people.com we have ” Russia has denied the version about the artificial creation of a new type of coronavirus
February 22, Renmin Ribao online — recently, the Internet has spread false information that “Russia has confirmed the artificial creation of a new type of coronavirus”. The Ministry of health of the Russian Federation in an interview with the news Agency Sputnik said, “In the “Temporary methodological recommendations for the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (2019-nCov)” has never mentioned that the virus was created artificially”.
February 3 was published “Interim guidelines for the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (2019-nCov)”. The document notes: 2019 Coronavirus-nCoV presumably is a recombinant virus coronavirus between bats and unknown origin, coronavirus. The genetic sequence of 2019-nCoV is similar to the sequence of SARS-CoV by at least 70%. The pathogenesis of the novel coronavirus infection has not been studied. Data on duration and intensity of immunity in respect of 2019-nCoV are not currently available. Immunity in infections caused by other members of the family of coronaviruses, is not stable and possible re-infection.
Authoritative experts of Russia noted that “recombination” is the redistribution of genetic material (DNA or RNA) by the break and connection of different molecules, leading to the emergence of new combinations of genes or other nucleotide sequences that can be used to describe natural recombination of many viruses, such as hepatitis B. the Natural recombination of RNA is part of a natural evolution of coronaviruses. A provision stating that “the 2019 coronavirus-nCoV presumably is a recombinant virus coronavirus between bats and unknown origin, coronavirus” indicates the natural education of a new virus that is not associated with human activity.
For those readers unfamiliar with the meaning of “recombinant, recombination” it can be looked up in search engines of course, but I’ll just quickly mention that this is the most common source of variation among living organisms. It occurs between viruses, virus and bacterial host, bacteria and bacteria, bacteria and viruses to animal host and within individuals. One of the greatest sources of diversity occurs when we are a single cell containing one copy of maternal and one copy of paternal DNA. Those line up with each other, ie. Chromosome No. 1 Father with Chromosome No. 1 Mother. And there are breaks and rejoins between them, leading to a novel Chromosome. Thus none of us is identical to one parent or the other, but carry novel forms. there are a host of enzymes for repair of this. Studying recombination among Neurospora crassa was the main focus of the laboratory I worked in as a post grad student, a research assistant and lab manager. It’s ubiquitous. By making this statement the Russian Authorities are clearly stating that they have NO reason to believe it is a form of bio-engineering for weapons.
Pamela
Good try at denial but recombinant can apply to both natural and artificial recombination of genetic structures. Same as genetic selection – various breeds/strains or any species emerge in nature without interference by humans but in the last 2000 years (or more) we have seen humans force genetic selection to their will eg the many breeds of dog used for special purposes.
Also why are you discussing DNA recombination – in higher organisms.
Corona is an RNA single stranded virus, so essential change happens via mutation at the RNA level (very, very common) and insertions or deletions and perhaps sometimes inversions much less common.
I suggest you re-read that article but put on the glasses of a political scientist not a laboratory scientist. That article actually does NOT deny the possibility of artificial manipulation. It carefully deflects saying that by quoting authoritative experts”and inserts the word “presumably.”
Like China, Russia is NOT going to call out the USA or others until they are 100% certain and can PROVE it. They do not need to incite panic at home.
Personally I am not certain it was a bioweapon but there are a number of significant anomolies that might point in that direction. When I have accumulated 10 such unexplained anomalies then i will make a final decision.
When you are a scientist reviewing Scientific papers about science, you have to keep the right glasses on.
The difference is that natural recombination and genetic insertion via a vector occur differently, using different enzyme systems and methods.
I mentioned recombination in higher organisms simply to point out that it is immensely widespread and ubiquitous and therefor has to be the first line of suspicion when no evidence for genetic engineering is found.
I think the experts used by the Russian Ministry of Health know their field pretty well. If they have found no evidence of engineering, and decided that natural recombination is the most likely explanation, I think it’s reasonable to accept that. I would point out, that no scientist worth her/his salt EVER says something is absolute. Papers are always written with a caveat – it’s standard protocol.
Just one more thing, and then I’ll finish this discussion – for me it’s lost it’s point; I’ve shared the information I wanted to – and it’s this.
The CoV-2019 sequence was a standard single stranded RNA with all sequences common to all the variants of Coronavirus known. It was a normal 100% match. It shared the sequences used by the HIV to form a glycoprotein, as did all bar one variant of all coronaviruses, but in full as in the HIV, not fragmented as in other Corona Viri. That’s all.
Perhaps you could explain where, if it’s a genetically engineered bioweapon, the vector sequences are which would have been used to get the foreign RNA into the genome, and where and what the marker genes to determine it was successfully engineered, are.
So far in my reading searches, I’ve not come across any papers which detail the same. I suspect that it was that lack which may have given rise to the Russian experts conclusion of natural recombination.
Pamela
First I have Not said it was a bioweapon (OK not quite true the Iran outbreak has me super, super suspicious and i let fly)
Second obviously i am aware of the way to read scientific papers but i am also aware that most scientific papers ALSO spin politically just a little, if not always in the article itself but certainly in any media releases. In a situation as we are in NOW any journal, reputable or otherwise will most definitely be putting a spin on an article, even if just to modify a word or two – add a perhaps or a qualifier etc.
I suspect you are a hands on scientist, but even you will have gritted your teeth and gasped at the efforts of the media/management team to spin your work one way or another over your work time. The spin will not always be political but it will be aimed to make your team look extra specially good, or to target a problem to squeeze more money out of government, to support or oppose a particular legislative proposal or even just for interlab rivalry or to support a pet theme of one or other of the scientific leaders.
Since i have not read the article you quoted in Russian i cannot really make substantial comment on much except the bits you posted. The word perhaps stood out as did “experts” both Sir Humphrey terms/methods to avoid doing or saying something.
The Russian MOH is not going to say it was a bioweapon. Such an announcement will come from Lavrov or Putin or someone at the UN – if at all. So while I appreciate your considerable expertise (this is clear), do not take anybody’s word as completely true. Most will true to tell it as well as they can but there is always a spin. Despite what we all learned at university, the idea of the noble scientist publishing only what is true is a load of old cobblers. Young scientist yes will often publish without concern for others- they have a reputation to make and nothing to lose. It is however a rare (and genuinely noble) scientist who as they age, willingly support work that undermines the work THEY did in their youth. Sad but they are human after all.
Anyway much more to the point at hand the Chinese authorities are NOW saying that the Wuhan market was NOT the primary source of the virus. They now think it was a major means of spreading the virus as it is a popular busy market, but not the original source of the virus. This was known weeks ago and I linked to an excellent article that showed that there were at least 3 cases in Wuhan BEFORE the market cases. Indeed I rather suspect that it was the erroneous certainty that the market was the source that led to the medical people in Wuhan missing the community outbreak until it was way too late.
So that of course opens the field up much more for an original source – right across china or even outside China. a super spreader in a transport hub such as Wuhan could do a lot of damage.
I am not going to comment at all on the HIV (supposed) insertions. There is not enough scientific evidence. However all I will say is that once those Indian chappies posted their article I would be much more comfortable if it was refuted by a trustworthy scientific source – NOT one from USA, UK or 5 eyes (all too dependent on government or corporate funding) or from China or Russia (too likely to be biased).
Thanks Pamela for your informed observations, the further studies will no doubt continue to be interesting to the political arguments.
I came back to this board to put a link regarding the Italian outbreak:
https://www.railfreight.com/beltandroad/2018/12/12/new-rail-freight-service-between-italy-and-china/
Article states…. intermodal terminal of Melzo (Milan) and Chengdu (Southeastern China) on 26 January.[published 12/12/2018] The service will transport goods without any intermediate stops.
This service will be commercialised by Contship Italia, the Italian subsidiary of FELB, which in turn is owned by the Russian Railways Logistics……
….ELB will move 40 high-cube containers in both directions, taking between 16 to 18 days. In addition, the rail freight operator offers to assume other services such as customs administration and warehouse operations, not only between Melzo and Chengdu but also from Milan to other logistic hubs in Central and South Italy. It will do this in cooperation with logistics operators Rail Hub Milano and Hannibal.
end quote.
If Milan Rail Hub is a source then we should be seeing new outbreak clusters in other centres connected to the Rail Hub.
Chengdu.gov announces foreign aid to help fight CoVID-19. One then asks how this aid arrived, if by train then at least 18 days previous the same train could have been in Italy, and a prior 18, same train in Chengdu.
http://www.chengdu.gov.cn/english/new/2020-02/21/content_13118ba13cab469d9fc5b0748128a818.shtml
I’ve got mixed feelings on the bioweapon angle. Its safer to regard it as potentially one, but probably much more a propaganda weapon. Consider the intent and potential targets including that the U.S. is also one.
Its absolutely critical to avoid a panic like happened in China. They jumped in with both feet, which some might say was perfectly predictable. China is now stuck in a deadly quagmire of socio-economic and public relations disaster that will drag for months.
COVID-19 is just a very, very bad cold, but a bad state reaction probably killed far more people. Too many anti-Eurasian and U.S. ‘anti-government’ actors were were waiting to pounce on this story, including the extreme prepper industry.
The WHO keeps giving conflicting signals at once saying we need to stop the spread and running out of time to do so, praising China’s quarantine – yet advocating not stopping international travel and trade; a little contradictory. Is this a serious emergency or not?
Some character on Youtube was even ready with a whole spiel misrepresenting R-nought statistical science and selling subscriptions to his website on pandemic preparation. Prepper industry characters were making money flipping n-95 masks and fear mongering bug-out time and social collapse, not advocating an anti-flu diet and hand washing.
Seems like a globalist reset script long-planned and going awry, possibly not counting on the U.S. President picking and choosing which lines to toss and which ones to keep.
Some think that just because they themselves wouldn’t do something as terrible as releasing a bioweapon that it stands to reason no one would.
@The fed,
You make a good point.
For all intents and purposes, the people in Washington, D.C. appear to have gone completely mad.
That is always the caveat we cannot forget.
I think that Boyle theorized that the Chinese were not releasing all that they know about this virus to avoid a public confidence and information catastrophe that they would not be able to manage. That is, panic in the Chinese population, and an untenable displomatic situation with, presumably, the USA. Like, once you accuse another country of releasing a bioweapon, you pretty much have to declare war on that country.
So, they are staying mum. Of course there is no way to prove this negative.
But it does make quite a lot of sense.
BTW, another great contribution from Pepe.
Katherine
Agreed.
Its unlikely that China would ever acknowledge a low-level bioweapon attack. Doing so admits weakness, creates a panic, and demands retribution.
COVID-19 is barely distinguishable from a really, really bad cold. If COVID-19 was a bioweapon, it was meant to create panic more than kill overtly.
If we tracked the flu virus or common cold rhinovirus as closely, we’d see significant contagion and fatality numbers as well. Perhaps even significant re-infection rates, asymptomatic carriers, super-spreaders and environmental persistence.
Especially in a Chinese city where people live and work mostly indoors in the winter; Asians are as vulnerable as blacks to vitamin D deficiency from lack of sunlight.
If it wasn’t for the acronym and pandemic theatre, there would be no panic. This would just be an unusually bad cold/flu year for China and Asia.
Looks like China got played into making a show it couldn’t back up. There are lots of foodie videos on China and Wuhan on Youtube. The lockdown and quarantine guarantees mass casualties among the elderly, working poor the moment food logistics break down.
Even the fit and able don’t appear to keep more than a week’s food at home, and then its just instant noodles and rice; snack stuff. Most Chinese buy food fresh daily from an assortment of street market vendors including like the infamous Wuhan wet market.
Still, there is an officially sanctioned panic in China. In the West, there are organinzed attempts at the populist level to foster the same. This makes COVID-19 at the very least a politically and economically significant ‘opportunity’.
Brockland
This virus is MUCH worse than flu – the death rate is higher, especially amongst the young and relatively fit. Flu does not usually kill medical people or put them in ICU. it has in China and also in japan, Sth Korea and Italy.
Yes come back in three years and this virus will probably not be much worse that flu and many will have immunity and it will not spread as fast. However for the next three years it is a panic and a worry. Think Measles when first brought to the pacific islands.
I think if you ONLY read the story of that couple from the UK you might get the picture. trapped on the boat they both have the disease. They may be exaggerating, whingeing even, but it appears that the guy has developed pneumonia and is in a wheelchair. This is a bit more than i would expect from a common cold.
Yes Chinese people do not keep stocks of food, but as i say they allow one person out per household every two days, to visit the supermarket and pharmacies. Online orders have gone up significantly.
Watcher
The numbers outside China suggest otherwise. Singapore has no deaths so far, for example. Their recovery rate is good. Even if they can’t keep the lid on new infections, numbers aren’t exploding. Although in some ways a more strict civil society than China, Singapore isn’t using state-enforced mass quarantines.
Source: Wiki COVID-19: Recovery Patterns in Singapore (2020)
The cruise ship passengers are mostly on the unwelcome side of middle age and elderly, and many are Asian. Yet the many sick on the Diamond Princess is an outlier, more due to peculiar incompetence in running the quarantine. COVID-19 super-spreading seems very sporadic for some reason.
A few recovery victims have spoken about their ordeal, and do describe it as the worst flu ever, admittedly. Maybe the virus was engineered to hit Asians harder; maybe viruses in that region are better adapted to Asian humans.
No-one likes getting sick, and, colds and flu do kill the young and seemingly fit. Again, if we tracked cold viruses and influenza, we’d see some scary infection and death numbers. Little we’ve seen from COVID-19 hasn’t been seen before, in SARS as well as colds and flus gone south.
South Korean super spreader – now that’s odd. One old lady took out 100 people, and they don’t know how she picked up COVID-19. .
Qoms, Iran… well, the red flag mosque, the Holy Dome Jamkarn Mosque, is just outside Qom. Quite the coincidence for Iran’s first outbreak.
The Alphabet viruses since 2003 have all been hard-hitters. However, in 2018, 80,000 died of the flu in the U.S. alone; no panic, no acronym. This is with U.S.-level health care, which isn’t Sweden, but surely far better than public-tier health care in China.
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Consider that China has somewhat shy of 5x as many people as the U.S.; do some bad math and assume China had about as bad a year, that’s 400,000 casualties.
Add that African swine flu destroying the pork pillar of the Chinese diet. Add severe air pollution, (which kills an estimated 4,400/day).
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/air-pollution-china-deaths_n_55cd9a62e4b0ab468d9cefa9?ri18n=true
The poor are going to be the hardest hit. Not being able to work makes ordering-in a difficult option; delivery isn’t going to be free. Poor apartments are probably not keeping the healthiest air. Being allowed out very couple of days… Well, online gaming must be making a killing of a different sort. Not a healthy way to live.
Its too early to put definitive stats on COVID-19. There are no as-good comparative stats with colds and flus, just other Alphabet viruses; maybe its worse, but that’s a subjective call till reliable numbers are in, and years before we can say with certainty the true COVID-19 R0 and death rate.
China really mucked up the counts. China’s panic-overrun Western-style hospitals leave me with doubts. I’d also like to see comparative stats with China’s TCM hospitals. Before the state started paying for COVID-19 care, people were dying because they ran out of money.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/reporters-notebook-life-and-death-in-a-wuhan-coronavirus-icu
China’s biggest modernization error, was taking away the iron rice bowl for medical care.
The CCP thought they could contain this new cornavirus. They made a huge show clamping down. Yet nowhere has even a natural flu epidemic been stopped by mass state intervention; its like King Canute and the tide. Even the best people with the best intentions can make mistakes.
Maybe China did save the world from something really terrible, or at least bought us time. Maybe not. My position would be, they were better off with voluntary self-quarantines and suspending international flights, but keeping the internal economy alive. The U.S. did not shut down for 1918 Spanish flu or any other pandemic, and things worked out.
The CCP has too many enemies at home and abroad who want them to fail, who know Chinese psychology as well as stolen Chinese DNA. They were baited into playing King Canute with COVID-19.
So, what everyone wants to know is,
who is this ‘They’ who baited China into playing King Canute with COVID-19?
Do you have your ‘usual suspect’ list?
@ ?
Rothschilds and France, of course. They are a great goto villain for geopolitical intrigues. The French shadow empire remains potent.
Matthew Ehret at Strategic-culture talks about how the U.S. was used as Great Britain’s dumb giant, but France used the U.S. as well.
The Rothschilds are on both sides of the Channel but never formally crossed the Pond. Whether or not they are as potent as claimed or more mascot for the rest of the globalist bankers the way Israel is a mascot for Western imperialism is unclear.
All wars are bankers wars, so ultimately everything that goes wrong in the world must be laid at the feet of the great banking families and organizations, their rivalries, and what trouble they sponsor and pay for.
No Brockland
this is NOT just a bad cold.
Do you seriously believe that China would build two hospitals in 10 days and plan 19 more and divert all their military medicos for a bad flu.
Have a look at the number CRITICALLY ILL. Even the worst flu does not overwhelm medical services in this way.
Have a look at that cruise ship. 3 people are DEAD. Now i know cruise liners are infection incubators but three deaths is not at all normal, even in a very bad flu season. 36 are in a CRITICAL condition. I do not think many would sign up for a cruse if there is a 1/100 change of ending up in intensive care.
It is quite unfair to compare any place with Singapore, which has an excellent health service, a suburb public health management system and has a very small geographic area to manage. Also they still have less than 100 patients. In my view it will not be until there are 200 or so patients that cracks will start to appear.
I also am quite certain that China’s quite draconian measures HAVE stopped the spread, at least within China. Daily figures are posted for each city and they have basically shut down their industry. Few other countries could even begin to do something like this. It helps of course that Chinese are more face mask tolerant and are generally a law abiding mob.
I do agree that getting rid of their health service has been a HUGE mistake. i gather treatment in Wuhan is now free.
In any case now that the virus is out and about in Italy we will get a much clearer picture of the spread and behaviour and severity. No one will accuse Italy of a “cover up”
@ Watcher
Sorry for the delayed reply; busy week. China won’t likely politically change course in Hubei; like politicians everywhere, saving face is more important than the public good. Deaths from economic disruption will mount and be blamed on COVID-19, not government ineptitude.
Now the U.S. mainstream media is getting into the panic act. Already the COVID-19 is politicized against Trump for his supposedly weak response. However, Trump cut off travel to China and strengthened the Mexican border, very effective actions that limited COVID-19 exposure. The internal economy and trade with remaining open economies remains sound.
Lets look at the absolute worst exaggerated China case numbers being promoted by NaturalNews.com as of Fe.28, 2020; China is projected there to have had 300,000 infections and 30,000 deaths since December to end of February. A bit high, even allowing for collateral lockdown deaths.
China has 1.3-1.5 billion people. That’s say, roughly 5x that of the U.S.. Downsize the math and assume abysmal U.S. health care that’s:
300,000/5= 60,000 potential U.S. infections, 30,000/5= 6,000 potential U.S. deaths.
Bear in mind also, Chinese numbers are centred in Hubei, which is cut off from the rest of China and locked down. The rest of the country follows more relaxed restrictions and has a much lower spread and death rate.
Deaths-wise, China may be coming out ahead short-term because of reduced traffic fatalities, but that’s a poor trade for the long term deaths by economic hardship and disruption to food production.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-toll-idUSKCN20L06I
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-beekeeping/coronavirus-stings-worlds-top-honey-makers-with-china-beekeepers-locked-down-idUSKCN20K14Q
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-poultry-idUSKBN1ZY0V4
The official Chinese numbers are 80,000 infections and 2800 deaths.
Divide those by five, and that’s 16,000 potential U.S. infections and 560 potential U.S. deaths. Not to cheapen a single life, but a panicked jackboot response would result in even more deaths due to billions in economic losses and disrupted food distribution chains, just like in China.
Consider that the 2017-18 flu season had an estimated 80,000 U.S. deaths.
Consider that the people catching and dying of COVID-19 also have a very high chance of dying of the regular cold and flu bugs for which we have vaccinations for some.
The flu shot is only 60% effective and much depends on the constitution of the patient.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/01/08/168814935/can-you-get-a-flu-shot-and-still-get-the-flu
Now, also consider that influenza is responsible for an estimated 9 MILLION to 45 MILLION illnesses in the U.S. and 12,000-61,000 deaths annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
COVID-19 is just another potentially deadly cold whose casualties will be drawn from the existing victim pool, not on top of existing numbers.
Best defense is to keep up good nutrition and hygiene habits, stay clear of sick people, take the normal anti-cold/flu precautions.
Its suspiciously odd that the first worst places hit bad outside China are anti-globalist Iran and anti-globalist hotbed Northern Italy.
However, COVID-19 does not appear deadly far above the background pathogen level for colds and flus. Singapore, for example, has 96 cases and no deaths.
Those vulnerable to COVID-19 are as in danger now against background pathogen levels without COVID-19 as with COVID-19.
COVID-19 is just another way to catch a potentially deadly cold/flu. Except, we don’t panic over the regular cold/flu, even though the vaccine gap exists there as well, and we don’t even bother properly tracking the casualty rate from different strains of colds and flus.
I’ve tried finding comparative data for strains of colds/flus; the numbers don’t exist. If they did, we’d probably either be in a constant state of panic every flu season, or ho-hum about COVID-19.
Worst thing to do is panic over COVID-19, allow lockdowns and panic, and economic disruptions and panic, all of which will kill far more people than the virus ever would.
Thousands die of colds and flu every year. the young, old and already ill. COVID-19 changes nothing.
How we react and allow governments to react, changes everything.
Agreed. But I also could imagine a scenario where an “asset” inside a Chinese level 4 lab happens to walk out and contaminate China with its own agents, that would be needed to prepare defenses against the same agent.
@ casey
Hubei certainly is out of control. Maybe Beijing does have evidence (that they could never share openly) that anti-CCP assets are spreading the virus on purpose, as has been the case with Aftican swine fever.
That would explain the uncompromising lockdown there alone.
Northern Italy is the wealthy stronghold of the anti-EU, anti-globalist Northern League party. They just happened to also get an unexplained COVID-19 outbreak.
Qoms, Iran, home of the red-flag mosque, also got a COVID-19 outbreak, in the middle of Iranian elections yet. And the health minister just happens to catch it.
COVID-19 is becoming yet another weapon against the Trump administration.
COVID-19’s origins and spread patterns, two separate issues, simply don’t have good optics as purely ‘natural’ events. Neither China or the U.S. come out ahead in this.
That “public opinion” and statements coming out of China seem to indicate that they believe the virus is naturally occurring should be discounted heavily. What else would the Chinese government be telling its people right now? They have their hands full trying to stop the spread of the virus, which if allowed to sweep through the population will probably kill 20-30 million Chinese people!
Anything that would interfere with their anti-virus efforts is being ruthlessly pushed aside as they concentrate on the monumental task before them… but once this epidemic is dealt with, I would expect their retaliation to be at least “proportional”. Does anyone really believe that the Chinese government is not aware that this was a biowarfare agent? Or that they have any doubts as to its source? Or that they will not seek retribution? More importantly, if you are the Chinese, you have to have a response that will deter additional biowarfare attacks (they have been hit with at least 3 waves in the last year). So I would expect something much more pointed than selling of bonds or renegotiating contracts. The Chinese are likely to respond in kind (one would assume that they either have this capability or can “acquire” it in short order. Imagine what would happen if a similar virus that targeted Jews (read Whites) was released in NYC?
I don’t think we should kid ourselves about how dismally ineffective the US government’s response would be to such an epidemic. A similar virus with similar lethality would probably kill 10 million Americans, or more…
Bob,
The question you raise – how would the US deal with this virus – is something I have thought a lot about.
I was actually in China when this virus started. The response of the Chinese government and the Chinese people was nothing short of astonishing – even awe inspiring.
I don’t see that type of response in the US.
I just don’t see it.
The government of the United States is basically bankrupt. China can sell hundreds of billions of dollars in treasuries and utilize the money to deal with the crisis. The United States is basically bankrupt. Yes, the US can print dollars but how much longer is that going to last.
And as far as the American people, we are too much of an “I, me, mine” culture.
In China everyone was pitching in to fight the problem. Ordinary Chinese people were wiping down their doorknobs and entryways with disinfectant. Restaurants were handing out sterilized plates and plastic gloves to both their workers and the clientele. Groceries would not admit people who did not have masks on.
Since I have left, the concerted effort has exponentiated.
Do you think that will happen in America?
I don’t.
You are right, it could be a disaster.
One does get a sense with the American – and other China-bashers – of a deep sense of frustration that the Chinese response has been so overwhelming.
China’s strengths – especially in this situation;
Strong political will of the central authority.
Ability of that authority to declare something to be an absolute priority and then direct resources to it.
Chinese culture values social responsibility higher than individual rights.
China is actualy a nation. Genetically related oeople with a common story, a common identity going back 5000 years. America, by contrast,, is a collection of individuals from all over the world who just happen to live in the same legal jurisdiction.
….and then in the US there are all the tens of millions with no health insurance.
America is still a nation. That is weakening now, with excessive levels of immigration, but the idea that there is no national character is wrong.
@SteveK9
What national character is this? Hollywood trash? Pedophilia and human trafficking courtesy of Epstein and his cohorts in the highest echelons of american society? Neo-Liberalism and its toxic siblings? The depravity of the entertainment industry? The shameless evangelicals who cheer Trump for bombing the ME everywhere? The debacle of the impeachment trial? And ad nauseum….
A bankrupt national character.
China does have nearly a hundred different ethnic groups, so don’t tar them in one monolithic ethnic brush.
Mike, that is true but the Chinese government goes out of its way to support those ethnic groups.
There is actually a center in Kunming devoted to honoring the different ethnic groups. Additionally, I have seen Government programs in three different areas helping these groups to elevate their income status.
For instance, at Lugu Lake, the government provides silver to the locals who work the raw silver into ornaments and sell to tourists, they also have festivals celebrating local culture which have become popular. I was in the home of one of these people and their standard of living seems high.
I have seen things like this in other areas.
Because of this – despite all the nationalities – I tend to think that the sense of commitment to the country is high in all its citizens, perhaps with the exception of some separatists in Xinjiang. But even there, I think that the level of dissent is exaggerated by the Western media.
The only inhabitants of China (Zhōngguó) who did not call themselves Chinese (Zhōngguó-rén) when I lived there in the middle seventies, middle eighties, early nineties and now-and then later on were the Tibetans from the Autonomous Region of (Southwestern) Tibet (Xīzàng). Not that they were necessarily against the Central Government of CHina, byút that they cherished the idea that China under Kublai Khan in the Mongol (Yuán) Dynsty was a Union of Mongol, Muslim, Tibetan and Hàn Chinese nations, and that only the Hàn areas were China (Zhōngguó). Other ethnicigroups call the traditional Hàn-majority areas by e.g. “Guān-nèi”: ‘Within the passes (i.e. inside the gates of the Great Wall).
“So I would expect something much more pointed than selling of bonds or renegotiating contracts. The Chinese are likely to respond in kind (one would assume that they either have this capability or can “acquire” it in short order. Imagine what would happen if a similar virus that targeted Jews (read Whites) was released in NYC?”
Making the $ obsolete has further implications I didn’t mention because I assumed they are well understood. But guess not.
Internationally an unwanted $ means a death sentence for the US economy. No matter how much they print, it all stops.
IT ALL STOPS. No trade no services, nothing.
Then what follows is every zombie horror apocalypse movie ever.
@RATM
It is called De-Dollarization. And this process is moving fast. Many nations are gradually dumping their US dollars and accumulating gold. Look at the price of gold. Gold is essentially the best hedge against instability.
Sad part is that most of it is nothing but coated tungstun, that will be the day when someone cracks that case into the great wide open. There is no where to safely financially hide anymore.
WOW! Chinese retaliation!!! oh man! that is going to bring chaos to the west..and prolly nuclear war to the world.
The americans do not care about ordinary people of any ethnicity anywhere in the world, and would likely use Chinese retaliation to increase death generally in the west to unimaginable rates. the Chinese would attack whites who would start dying in great numbers..and worse as noted there would be no positive proprotional response from the american government in particular
the Euro governments would be better at trying to protect their people. what the USA government is likely to do is to add to the problem by attacking Black and native people in the entire hemisphere to match the Chinese attack on whites..rather than massive Chinese style efforts at saving ordianry people
I wonder! have they thought through this..the CIA/Mossad..all the intelligence agencies and relative think tanks before they moved..and evolved some sort of plan to save themselves in the process, as ordinary people drop by the millions in the event of Chinese retaliation?
but that is what I expect to happen…that COVID is clealry an american creation and aggression against China – no doubt at all and that China knows this, and must retaliate or Shmuel will unleash more on them… readily!
but do or dont.. retaliate or not retaliate, China will precipiate more attack somewhere: on China itself if it does not fight back..and if it does attack white western people then whitte western people will attack the rest of the population not attacked by China, to even things out.
then of course the likelihood of nuclear war as white westerners drop in the millions..if they do not have any defense and cannot mount massive responses like the Chinese are doing currently. the americans will light it all afire with nuclear weapons
the world will descend to hell for sure…with or without immediate Chinese response. there will have to be a Chinese response at some point because if they do not the americans wont stop attacking them… will only increase attack.
can a global crisis of existential proportions that COVID has surely precipitated, be avoided????
I dont see how
I’m with you. I don’t see how the Chinese cannot not respond, because no-response will embolden Washington with even more attacks of all sorts. China has no choice. The question is what will they do?
Collapse the American economy in its entirety. make the dollar worthless. Watch the domestic situation there unravel and have Americans turn on each other. A low level civil war. Force the US military to withdraw from its international bases. Essentially lock them in a cage between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. I think that can be done.
The best worst case scenario for the world in an American civil war.
@Mark Hadath
An american civil war is not far-fetched. The evil empire is on its Fourth Turning. Read what those respectable (not the presstitute kind) financial analysts are writing. The handwriting is clearly on the wall. Those arrogant people in the evil empire simply cannot accept reality.
If the virus is a biological weaon, the attackers knows this and knows the intended victim. Conversely the victim knows they are the victim, but can only infer the attacker. However, they have the benefit of ‘qui bono?’ And that qui is going out of its way to bono.
I hope China and Russia are having top level discussions about this. The genie is out of the bottle and the psychos won’t stop until forced to.
cui bono…
:-)
Now don’t try to be a fart smellar… :-)
‘Qui bono’ and ‘cui bono’ are one and the same:
https://definitions.uslegal.com/q/qui-bono/
Having read the linked interview with the lawyer, Francis Boyle, I can only deduce that there is a fair amount of effort being made to paint China as the villain here, and on no evidence.
Boyle is a lawyer not a scientist. He offers NO proof scientific that the CoV02019 is genetically engineered, let alone by whom. The fact is that, whiles it MAY be engineered, due to the 4 segments one Indian University claimed to have sequenced which code for a coat protein found in HIV, this alone is NOT proof it was engineered, it only makes it a Theresa May proof – i.e. “highly likely”. We all remember how scathing of that we all once were.
In fact, those sequences are highly conserved, that is they are found in all other Coronavirus examined, again according to the one Indian Study, but not in a full form, but as fragments, therefor unable code for any biological substance.
As for the fact that the initial outbreak was close to a research laboratory which he claims is for biological weapons – again, no proof – this means nothing. The same was pointed out about Porton Down and “Novichok”, and it carried no dice with anyone. If you were an enemy of China, and wanted it accused of releasing a biological weapon, where would you release your own agent [if you had engineered it ] in order to throw the most doubt??
However, so much of Boyles’ comments are nothing more than “kitchen table gossip”. The assumption that China stole the virus from Canada – no evidence offered; the suppositions which all support his own writings and income – the guy had my BP rising.
There is another possibility that no-one seems to be considering – and that this was a genuine “bad luck” outbreak of a natural variant, such as are arising all the time, especially in a nation like China because of it’s demography and social behaviours i.e. keeping and eating millions and millions of pigs and chickens which all harbour Corona Viruses and get sick from them; China’s own massive and very dense population, long known by Population biologists to be a Petrie Dish for microbial growth and diversity. If this was just a standard, natural epidemic, it would be the easiest thing in the world to just blow it up out of all proportion and propagandise it, just as this Boyle man is doing. Create fear out of perception manipulation.
As an illustration let me tell the story of case in Victoria, Australia some years back. A noted top level horse racing jockey was accused – along with others – of fixing races in order to make money from the criminal element. This was a shock – he was well regarded. However, on reading more about him, and his then highly successful win strike rate, I proposed that he was not fixing anything [ in Aus it’s actually quite a clean sport]. However, he knew his mounts, when they were on top form, how they measure up against the field, and told the stupid crims he had “fixed” the race, and pocketed the dollars. After extensive investigation, he was finally charged with — yes, “pretending to fix races”.
You see, you can have a high knowledge base that tells you an outcome is predictable, and then go pretending to the ignorant that something else is causative in order to benefit yourself. In other words, there is no evidence provided to us yet which eliminates the explanation that this was a natural novel variant outbreak, which America has used as alternative warfare to try to attack China’s economy, world standing and trustworthiness.
I would add, I get tired of Escobar constantly referring to the Northern Land Mass by the George Orwell appellation gifted out of Harvard in the 1990 as “Eurasia”. No writer I have ever read ever refers to Russia’s Near Abroad ‘Stans as anything but Central Asia. Not a single person anywhere ever remotely refers to Europeans of the Atlantic Peninsula as “Eurasian”. This leaves Russia as being more and more re-named Eurasia. I had the dubious “pleasure” recently of reading that the rivers, the Yenesei, Lena and Don were “major rivers of Eurasia”. Russia is obliterated – as I suspect is the aim.
Words, perceptions, are used as the most effective weapon of all – they manipulate perceptions and destroy National Identity in order to prohibit any sense of Identity. When you do that, you turn a nation into a people of straw, and can do what you want with them. This is what usage of labelling Russia as “European” and “Eurasia” is attempting to do.
I’ve written more on it here: https://themungbean2019.blogspot.com/2019/12/why-russia-should-reject-using-name.html
But to come back to the main point – the scientific evidence that CoV-2019 was genetically engineered is still scanty and needing more work to confirm; the evidence of where it came from is non-existent, and the evidence that it is the fearful outbreak that the PTB would have us trembling in a dark cellar over are likewise non-existent.
Pamela, you are right that there is no evidence yet. However, quite some indicators which sum up to rather good reasons for a well founded suspicion:
– odd properties of COVID-19: docking mechanism like SARS with a different RNA sequence (no direct kinship with SARS), but the same infection mechanism like SARS (spike protein docking to the ACE2 membrane protein, opening the cell membrane for injecting the virus RNA). The targeted cell membrane protein ACE2 protein is specific to a particular cell line in human lungs, AC2. This is the cause for COVID-19 differentiating according to ethnicity. East Asian males seem to have a five times higher expression of AC2 cells in their lung tissue than African or Caucasian males (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full.pdf), women are less affected among all groups.
– the four segments postulated by the Indian study might allow the infection of immune T cells. Their presence is very odd, they never could be found in other Corona viruses. This might be insignificant, but the odd fact is that a COSVID-19 infection is accompanied by an unusual prevalence of immune system suppression in more than 60% of the patients, very untypical for a Corona virus. This correlates with a typical cause of fatal outcome among COVID-19 patients: Aspergillus Pneumonia invasion of the lungs, a common cause of death among HIV patients or Leucemia patients having their immune system shut down during treatment. Immune reaction suppression could also be a likely cause for the long incubation period compared to other Corona viruses, resulting in a symptom-free contagious period of several days due to delayed immune response to the infection. The weakened immune response results in a low expression of antibodies to COVID-19, making a second infection possible after recovery from a mild first one, and may contribute to other opportunistic infections. There are also indications that COVID-19 might infect a person without showing major symptoms at all, but rendering them contagious over a longer period of time.
As you stated, COVID-19 might still be a result of mother nature’s creativity at the microbiological level, amplified by high population density, flu-friendly weather conditions and triggered by some bad luck. But I find it increasingly difficult to accept a relevant probability for that hypothesis.
You say “protein docking to the ACE2 membrane protein”
ACEII is the Angiotensin converting enzyme II,; an enzyme doesn’t have a membrane. It’s a molecule which operates on a very precise “lock and key” mechanism, i.e. recognition of shape. The substrate molecule has a part with a shape the enzyme recognises. Some enzymes have this for 2 substrates.
No – where have I read which part of the enzyme ACEII the virus links to, only a suggestion that the S end of the glycoprotein MAY have a similar enough analogue structure.
This is the sort of thing I mean. There is so much science that is being mangled, and repeated wrongly. There is not a scrap of precision of language and thought, and few to no reliable scientific papers.
ACE2 is not a membrane proteine and of course, the enzyme itself does not have a membrane, but it is expressed by certain cell types in their membrane structure. Its function is a lock-key mechanism to allow specific receptors to bind and open the cell membrane for entering the cell plasma.
The point is that cells with ACE2 expressed in their membrane are those which may be infected by viruses with spike proteines binding to ACE2 such as SARS or COVID-19. Only few specific cell lines express ACE2, in the lung tissue AC2 cells. Asian males tend to have a five times higher expression rate of ACE2 in their lung tissue than other ethnic groups.
My formulation might be not precise enough for a scientific statement, but that is no reason to discard my link the scientific observation and its potential implications. Any reader has to evaluate such hints for him/herself. Those who are interested in the findings related to COVID-19 should not rely on a single source only anyway, but one should take all reasonable indicators into account for evaluating the various scenarios.
I would add here, for the information of readers, that the scientific paper I read on the supposed link between ACEII and Oriental people, especially males, was derived from ONE male with a high concentration of ACEII receptors, and another study where only 2 subjects were suspected of having such.
These figures are nowhere near enough to build any sort of hypothesis on. Again, before offering this as a basis for fear, it needs infinitely more study and confirmation. At the moment it is no more than some individual variation of no significance.
The Scientific Method requires that [a] large scale studies of significant subjects are undertaken.
[b] a statistically demonstrated number supports the hypothesis
[c] the Null Hypothesis is similarly tested
[d] the experiments are repeated, generated same or very similar results, in other laboratories, preferably in other countries.
None of these have been done.
Pamela,
How then do you explain the dissemination pattern of SARS which also uses the ACE2 for docking and had been concentrated on East Asia? https://www.who.int/csr/sars/country/table2004_04_21/en/
You are right that no valid results are possible with such a small sample, but even if there might be no difference in the expressions of ACE2 between Asian and European males, small differences in the ACE2 enzyme might be important for the SARS and COVID-19 infection mechanism as well. And there are definitely systematic differences:
“Currently, few studies have investigated whether common single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in the human ACE2 locus correlate to changes in BP or cardiac function. The results available differ according to the ethnicity of the population, as well as the phenotype of the population studied. The allele frequencies of ACE2 SNPs are significantly different between subjects of Asian and European ancestry, and the SNP alleles associated with BP in Chinese populations are not common or represented in European populations.”
Association of ACE2 Genetic Variants With Blood Pressure, Left Ventricular Mass, and Cardiac Function in Caucasians With Type 2 Diabetes, 01 Feb 2012 (!)
https://academic.oup.com/ajh/article/25/2/216/2282074
Again, no proof, but an indicator.
I think that the answer to the question of race are to be found on the cruise ship data – and epidemiologist dream sample.
3500 subjects locked in a box, different nationalities but given age highly susceptible.
One thing that will be VERY significant is this morning’s news. They tested crew members and it would seem that some 55 were positive but more than 50 were NON SYMPTOMATIC. So either they are in early stages, their relative youth makes them not as much at risk, or there IS a racial difference. Time will tell.
I think most of the crew members are Indian so perhaps someone should go looking to India – perhaps this Corona virus is not new at all but is one that is endemic in India for which many people in India already have resistance. Just a thought!!!!!!!
Just another one…
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0147-1
Kassandra,
This correlates with a typical cause of fatal outcome among COVID-19 patients: Aspergillus Pneumonia invasion of the lungs, a common cause of death among HIV patients or Leucemia patients having their immune system shut down during treatment.
Do you have any links for this? The reason I ask is that most reports say very ill Covid-19 patients succumbed to viral pneumonia rather than a secondary fungal or bacterial infection. Also, many of them suffered from pre-existing disease (high BP, diabetes, kidney & lung disease, etc) which probably killed them in the face of the great stress on the body caused by the virus.
What you say about ACE2 and the ‘HIV inserts’ implies that the bug now has two modes of entry into cells — and in different types of cell — which is not the case. The much cited Indian study has been thoroughly panned and has been withdrawn, probably to save the authors further embarrassment. It’s been a fortnight and they’ve yet to re-pre-print their paper — and it’s unlikely they’ll do so for the simple reason that their findings in all probability could be due to chance. On my part I think it would be ‘fortuitous’ (as in ‘good fortune’) if the paper remains buried.
This paper below (published Feb 21) compares 52 critically ill patients who were divided into ‘survivors’ and ‘non-survivors’. Small sample size, yes, but it’s interesting to note (not in the abstract, in the body of the paper): “Hospital-acquired infection was noted in seven (13·5%) patients, including one (2%) patient who had pulmonary and blood stream infection of carbapenem-resistant Klebsiella pneumoniae. Other microorganisms identified from respiratory tract secretions in five (10%) patients included Aspergillus flavus, A fumigatus, extendedspectrum
β-Lactamase (ESBL)-positive K pneumonia,
ESBL-positive Pseudomonas aeruginosa, and ESBL-negative Serratia marcescens, with each microorganism found in one patient each. Candida albicans was identified in the urine culture of one (2%) patient.”
Only two cases with Aspergillus out of 52. Far from it being the main killer, I would think. Covid-19 is more like a more contagious SARS or MERS (respiratory) rather than AIDS (immune system).
https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/S2213-2600(20)30079-5
The link is:
https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/pneumonia-coronavirus
There is another article on the potential impact of COVID-19 on the immune system:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024364v1
Jennifer’s World is a Falun Gong site; how are the crypto-Christian Falun Gongs remotely credible medical scientists? J. Zeng doesn’t appear to be any kind of MD or scientist or even someone interested in science.
They are as radically anti-government (anti-CPP) as some of the most alt-right U.S. anti-government fundie-hippies. Some of them like Indian Yoga so much they rebrand yoga as Christian ‘prayer postures’.
There seems to be remarkable culturally-appropriative outreach and coordination by Protestant groups using prepping, organic and natural living, traditional European herbal medicine, crypto-Christian Falun Gong/Qigong, Hindu Ayurvedic medicine, and Traditional Chinese medicine as a kind of pretext to infiltrate the secular mainstream.
The only reason the extreme Ayurvedics aren’t anti-government right now is one of theirs, Modi, is Indian PM.
The other paper review site makes this disclaimer: (Essentially, that the papers presented aren’t accepted as real scientific papers yet.)
“What is an unrefereed preprint?
Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally “peer reviewed.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.
Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before peer review, allowing
other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.
We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous.”
Sorry, not peer reviewed is a no brainer since these are very recent research results. They simply cannot be peer reviewed at the current stage, and they are precisely published already now due to the urgency of the situation. The researchers involved, however, know that their findings will be scrutinized, so you can be sure they are taking care not to come up with faulty results.
And the “Falun Gong” paper, it does not claim to be scientific. The author, BTW, is a Chinese opposition activist courted by the Western media. Nevertheless, since immune suppression seems prevalent among COVID-19 patients, aspergillus may well be relevant.
In one aspect I am wrong. SARS already had severe immune suppression among its symptoms, with T cells strongly affected. Different to SARS, COVID-19 damages also CD8 T cells severely, not only CD4 T cells as SARS did (compare https://academic.oup.com/cid/article-pdf/37/6/857/851093/37-6-857.pdf).
However, I am not aware that among SARS cases, infected persons without symptoms occurred; the incubation period had been much shorter, and the comparatively harmless epidemological development of SARS renders contagious non-symptomatic patients quite implausible.
In case of COVID-19, this seems to be a very dangerous feature of this new germ.
ttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30114-6/fulltext
No doubt this is a dangerous bug, but Falun Gong never hesitates to attack the CCP and appears far from shy about courting sinophobia to promote their agenda.
They are not always helpful in understanding goings-on in China.
Pamela
I agree with you regarding the lack of evidence in this Frances Boyle piece and i annoyed that people i respect like Escobar are peddling it.
However as I pointed out a few days ago this image of China s the petrie dish is i think very outdated. it is I gather particularly outdated for Wuhan which i gather is a university town, very beautiful and NOT the image of squalid co-habitation with pigs and bats etc. I have not been there so I cannot be sure but that is what i have been told.
I also look a tad at probabilities. I can certainly believe that there can be natural events but i expect them to be rare and in particular i have problems with stories that involve bats. Yes I know there may be similar molecular structure and that they may be early “primates – especially Australia”s flying foxes, but if that is the case why not many many more cases coming from India – after all people sleep in the streets with pigs, goats and cattle and have their food often handles by monkeys, mot to mention rodents.
The “image of China as a Petrie Dish” is not outdated, and the niceness of Wuhan has nothing to do with just pure stats. The stats tell us that there are about 1.3 BILLION people in China which, although a big country isn’t the Land Mass Russia is;. the stats tell us that China harbours millions of swine and chicken. The stats tell us that Corona Virus infects these animals and is excreted in their excrement. These are things any population biologist can put together. As for the “natural events being rare” this is in fact not the case, not with viruses, and certainly not this one. One of the natural facts used as a fear tactic was it’s very high mutation rate.
Mutations happen all the time – the thing is most organisms have means for dealing with them. But it’s a fact that optimum numbers for populations of all living things are maintained by positive and negative feed back loops, and infections which high population numbers happen a great deal – along with reduced food supply, which China has managed to avoid so far.
I am not saying that these things did have the effects I am saying are possible, only that they are possible, and need to be considered.
Pamela
Yes there are millions of chickens and pigs in china, but NO ONE is suggesting this one came via these animals
Yes mutations happen and there could be cross over but when you start talking two – three different host species I start to quibble.
Moreover why do we not see these viruses coming out of India where the risk of mutation is higher and the chances of human to human transfer even higher than in China. Ditto Philippines.
My point should be obvious. In say 1990 most Chinese lived in rural areas, close to animals etc, but these days most live in large urban centres and never see an animal or an insect. They are scared witless by flies and moths, while a cockroach has them in terror.
Most Chinese these days are shocked by weird eating practices and the areas where they are still most common seem never to be the disease epicentres.
Finally I think it is a bit of a stretch to assume all this bat transfer. of ALL the animal species on earth I would have thought bats were the least likely to come in contact with humans or farm animals. In Australia the spread of Hendra and Lyssa virus via bats is put down to bat stress via loss of habitat, but I am still not convinced.
The ‘bat soup theòry’ is nonsense.
The Chinese have been eating ‘exotic’ animals for thousands of years. All of our ancestors, all tribal peoples even today, do the same. The meat is probably of better quality than stuff westerners eat.
Westerners who sniff their noses, no pun intended, at the Chinese, should really take a look at where their meat comes from. It doesn’t just magically grow in the supermarket freezers.
Go and look at how pigs, chickens, cows and so on are treated in American and European factory farms. Go and look at what those animals eat. Talk about petri-dishes.
How many, umm…, non-indigenous southeast asians have died from this virus… As opposed to indigenous victims?
Two in Italy.
You may be interested in this latest release:
http://russian.people.com.cn/n3/2020/0222/c95181-9660799.html
I’m not sure if my own English translation page with connect. I’ts in Russian, and you need a translator.
If not, I can provide a copy paste.
Basically, it states that Russia has stated that it believes the CoV-2019 is the result of recombination.
Recombination is the name of what I have been describing as natural events at the genome level.
It would appear that the Russian Biology experts and myself are on the same page here.
This is a fully correct disclaimer. The wrong interpretation of the Russian guidelines for dealing with a COVID-19 outbreak (it never insinuated that COVID-19 might be artificially designed as bio-weapon) is debunked by this statement. The Russian guidelines focus on very pragmatic and proven recommendations for clinical and prevention practice, nothing else. Since nothing about the origin of COVID-19 is proven yet, under no circumstances such a publication would raise any speculation about the origin, also since such origin is absolutely not relevant for the purpose of the publication.
Here we go again.
I responded at length to this Eurasia”-phobia on the, or a, previous occasion when this poster raised this issue.
IMO her arguments regarding the use of this term have no demonstrable merit.
Maitland Edey used the term “Eurasia” in the title of a book on natural science published in the USA in the seventies.
Many others, including the Russians, use the term to mean what they want it to mean.
Katherine
@ Anonymous or Katherine – no idea which one.
I explained he fact that some Russians used this term long ago, in my essay.
You did not respond to that.
I am aware of the use of the term by Dugin and the 1920’s expats. And that no-one uses it in the way they did either.
Again, with your comment about Edey, I also stated that during that time, (i.e. between 1920’s and 1990) the term was used in restricted circles and not in general use. Your comment supports my statement.
You did not answer a single one of my reasons or comments, but simply chose to be insulting. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
I have, out of courtesy, refrained from returning your gesture.
That’s a very long rant without substance just attempting to ask for evidence. Isn’t that what the West are good at creating the turmoil and then asking for evidence. They are not just expert liars they are also experts in laying the blame elsewhere after the crime.
Actually Europe is not a geographical fact. It only exists because of ‘tradition’. It’s not Eurasia, it’s actually Western Asia.
I have no documentation on this, but I have read previously that the neocons believe it is necessary to reduce the world population. If such a philosophy actually exist, then perhaps the suggestions in this article are certainly plausible. Frankly, there is very little I would put pass the US. They will do anything to advance their agenda.
“Truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.” – Winston Churchill to Stalin
Dick, there is a paper, Rebuilding American Defenses, from the PNAC, where they talk about ethnic bioweapons as a “political useful tool”.
I think that the elites are going to go for broke.
Apparently the ones on television are. But that’s ok with me, because that means the ones who pay them are ‘fubar’, as well.
Once their hissy fits are over, we will all be better off.
Identifying, isolating, and eliminating, probable potentials in the dimensional sphere of biological organisms being weaponized and effectively delivered to targets needs to be looked at in an absolutely honest and effective manner. Not easy given the vulnerabilities presented by allowing these types of research facilities, and interacting with them. However, it seems that the reward of not being vulnerable (or at least being FAR less vulnerable) in this regard, may well be worth it.
Seriously. How is this entire field of research and development being viewed, in the first place. For what real purpose? In what ways are the execution of r&d being implemented? What measures for security are being executed? What measures, in regards of intelligence services, are being employed? What about decon? What about interactions with outside actors? In the governmental sphere? In the security sphere? In the financial sphere? In the intelligence sphere? What corporate structures are interactively involved with any aspect at all of this type of work?
This is what I mean by ‘taking an absolutely honest look’ at all of the real dynamics.
It would be a good idea to take into account that there is a sizable pack of billionaires, with dubious ideologies, who’re constantly harping about overpopulation, and orgasmically professing that “a major, killer disease is right around the corner. Guaranteed!”. All with deep links to the CIA, and other multinational agencies with less than zero loyalty to any particular nation. These creatures hate, and deeply afraid of anything remotely human. They are the true crazies with absolutely no morals, and they know, they don’t belong in this dimension, hence such determination to dismantle anything that is normal, anything that is human. These entities know how to cover up their tracks and not allow for any evidence/proof to come into existence. All of that to say, it was bound to happen, and looking for some solid proof in the media channels that belong to the criminals, and waiting for some scientists, who are groomed by the same criminals is a hapless task.
all of this here is awfully hypocritical. that is why we are living on borrowed time. we all know what has happened who has done it and why. and we all know what those who have been attacked must do to protect themselves..and that that action means the end of the human world
white people cannto stand to loose, to be equal in the world. thats all there is to it. white people belive in their superiroity but they are not superior at all. the white elites could not have done it without the full and support of all white people in the world. and all white people in the world benefited from white domination of the planet when there was room for that
but exploitation is what it is… and ultimatley it eats up everyone save those who do the exploiting..the biggest and strongest exploiters who eat the lesser exploiters untill only they are left. so currently ordinary white people have come to being eaten up as there are no other let to eat but them. but ordinary white people do not like to be eaten and you can hear the noise over the ramparts as they collectively bawl and bawl as they are targeted by their own deep state
but the white deep state,. the white elites are being eaten up by those who managed themselves better than their exploitative ways allowed them to sustain themselves. these intended to eat the whole world world in order to sustain themselves but the Chinese have stopped them. and that they cannot tolerate at all..period. Look Pepe says it right there for all to see..Washington cannot accept Chinses success that is chaing the world into the opposite of what they need to go on at the top of global society. they are causing the the destruction of humanity as we speak..right in front of our eyes
ordinary white people if they want to live have a choice..not only join up with all ordairny peoplke to effect the opular interest on global society but lead too. creat to,. become revolutionary as well. ordianry white people have no choice
but I am reading the white voices here and elswhere and there is little understanding in the white voices I read, or preparedness to be ordinary and collective and equalized in the world. white ordinary people must bell the white overlords in the white spaces, bell the white elites and deep state… or we are all toast. and very soon too! if humanity has 10 more years of existence we have plenty. the western white elites are nuts, insane! they will use all the means they have at their disposal to pirate the planet… or blow it up! or cause it to be blown up. the days of freedom to attack the planet at will are over for the white overlord. the natios can now defend themselves and give the hegemon a seriously bloody nose.
the hegemon cant deal with that..his ‘superior’ psyche and failing economy wont allow him to. Hell anyone!?
They have been in your face naughty to China for a long time.
They took out the Malaysia plane that crashed in Indian ocean that was full of Chinese engineers.
They have fomented ‘color revolutions’ all around China.
They have done everything possible to get China to do something stupid, but China just does business and keeps moving forward.
The USA is going down, and China has fixed this problem.
Should be real interesting when it hits the USA, because they simply will not take care of their own people.
@KINZAZA I have been pondering the 500 mln question (supposedly ideal world population size) for quite a while, not necessarily related to the possible causes of the recent pandemic(s), but more in reflection on the ongoing Climate Hysteria which is also supported by a ‘sizable pack of billionaires harping about overpopulation’. Now if we consider the interests of Big Pharma and the MIC, but also those of Big Agri and Big (e)-Wheels, to mention just 4 global corporate forces, this ideal figure of a 500 M world population seems to be contradictory to their interests, which are based on huge catchment markets, that can only be tapped in a 7,5 B world population. There is also the misconception that these 500 M Lucky Few would be able to continue to enjoy their current luxury, should the rest of the population be ‘eliminated’. For the simple reason that their luxury depends on the exploitation of the remaining population. Obviously Empire’s ‘full spectrum dominance’ in a (just) 500 M world population context would also not be feasible, assuming that this population reduction would also effect Empire’s own constituency and hence reduce its grip on the world.
Good to see Escobar debunk the boyle psywar. If Escobar is presenting evidence of the virus being a bioweapon being used by israeloamerica & co. to attack China economically, it means this understanding has become part of the mainstream alternative view. This is welcome news.
The obvious use of biowarfare against their rivals shows how desperate and depraved zionazia truly is.
… could have read “Oppose virus check” …
… but states “Oppose terror check” …
Павел (Paul) on January 26, 2020 · at 11:56 pm EST/EDT
Photo #5 …
“An airport staff member uses a temperature gun to check people leaving Wuhan Tianhe International Airport in Wuhan, China.”
https://sputniknews.com/photo/202001261078124537-secure-contain-protect-china-fights-coronavirus/
反对 恐怖 检查
Fǎn-duì kǒng-bù jiǎn-chá
Oppose terror check
(word for word translation)
Very good observation Павел (Paul) – the chinese ppl are being nudged!
“real-time’ on the ground report on COVID-19…
Exiled outside China, because of Covid-19. Face-to-face interview with Chara Vega Langlois Brown by Jeff J. Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_NeoBf8VkU
this is informative too – USA-GH flavored
Chris Martenson – China Virus is the Real Deal – Get Ready by Greg Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J028m1yjD70
Be prepared Be safe there
What a wonderfully positive presentation from Jeff and his daughter. There is an underlying message here. We frequently see those that consider the technical society in which we live as ‘dark and threatening and evil’. But technology is not that, inherently. It depends what is done with it. Here Jeff’s daughter explains how technology, if one can scale up quickly, can support ‘life must go on’ and actually keep the basics running against tremendous odds.
I picked up somewhere that one of the schools or universities scaled up with 400 servers, to be able to take the full course load online. That is massive infrastructure no matter how you look at it.
China is not going to go to overt war. Their strength is financial, infrastructure, trade and sheer organizational ability. My expectation is that they will build on their strengths but, cover all the basis.
Thanks for that video.
Technology will always be used to enhance the power of those who control it.
There is another issue. Up to a certain point, technology complements and supports human efforts to live fulfilling lives. Beyond that, it diminishes human life, while still providing profits and power to those in control.
We’ve probably gone past that point both in China and the West.
Cannot disagree with a word of this article. For those awake there is no doubt this is a full spectrum war on China. Unfortunately there aren’t many of us which leaves many vulnerable
There are no holds barred in the all-out offensive to kick the Chinese government while it’s down.
Absolutely. We’re in the midst of good old-fashioned power politics coming into full bloom. A proper bust-up.
The Empire is being challenged by a rising power in the East and it is going to fight tooth and nail against it and the nascent Axis of Multipolarists (I hate to use Axis of Resistance — it implies the challengers are on the back foot when they’re actually on the front foot. Besides, ‘Resistance’ somehow reminds me of Star Wars, something I’m not terribly find of.) The Hegemon is growing anxious by the day and is already putting it’s cards on the table: declarations of Maga and ‘indispensable nation’; openly naming China and Russia as threats; cajoling, threatening and generally strong-arming its allies into pledging undying support even if they themselves see the Hegemon as the ‘Sick Man.’ Even Australia is, to borrow a phrase from my favourite football (as in soccer) manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, experiencing ‘squeaky bum time’ having being pressed more and more by the Hegemon to make a choice between it and China.
Having said all that, I’m puzzled at the Boyle-bashing in some of the comments here. To my mind Francis Boyle (and Richard Falk) are two of the bravest US lawyers out there.
Boyle wrote a very good book on Libya’s destruction by the Hegemon. Boyle also met and knew Qaddafi, and along with US ex-AG Ramsey Clark were Qaddafi’s lawyers when Qaddafi sued Reagan in US courts for bombing the former.
None would fault Boyle, I reckon, for saying what he said in his Bio-warfare and Terrorism in which he wrote, among other things, about the 2003 Anthrax attacks, “I believe that the FBI knows exactly who was behind these attacks and that they have concluded that the perpetrator was someone who was or is involved in illegal and criminal biological warfare research conducted by the US government (the Pentagon or the CIA) or by one of the government’s civilian contractors. For that reason, the FBI is not going to apprehend and indict the perpetrator. To do so would directly implicate the government in conducting biological warfare research. So this is where we are today. The FBI says that they are working on it, but of course, that is ridiculous.”
Very few will disagree with Boyle when he said (as per Pepe’s article above): ‘Dr. Boyle adds, “all these BSL-4 labs by United States, Europe, Russia, China, Israel are all there to research, develop, test biological warfare agents. There’s really no legitimate scientific reason to have BSL-4 labs.” ‘
Yet people jump when Boyle speculates about the Wuhan lab and the PRC govt of being complicit in the Covid-19 outbreak and accuse him of being an Empire propagandist. Why is that? Boyle himself implied he could be wrong. Must everyone toe the party line and agree with us all the time and on everything before he can be considered reliable or a friend?
Link to Boyle’s Bio-Warfare :
http://greens.org/s-r/30/30-12.html
but ther is no evidence that China experiemnts on humans in the development of their biological warfare..none, nada… period!
I dont know about the Russians or any other nation but we have along history of horrific american/western use of human beings in vast experimenation with biological warfare.
if there is evidence of Chinese and other such experiemantion whats the keep back..why isnt it already exposed./.like here and now for example?
Ben,
You’re right. But I was talking about the reception given to Boyle. He’s given his considered opinion which apparently rubs the wrong way for many of us. All things being equal he would probably say the same thing if the outbreak occurred in Taiwan, the Czech Republic, India, or a number of countries which also have BSL-4 labs.
Boyle was giving his opinion — forcefully to be sure — but he was not making a political statement in the interview which many people take it to be. He may well be wrong about Wuhan but I think he deserves more respect than simply being dismissed off-hand as an Empire propagandist. He says he’s keeping an open mind on the matter. In the light of the puzzling new Covid-19 hotspots in Italy and especially Iran, it would be interesting if the outlet could get Boyle’s opinion later but I doubt that will happen.
Cheers.
“Raging twenties”.
The 1920s were known as the ‘roaring twenties”. Perhaps the Pentagon has now unleashed the 21st century’s “warring twenties”?
Yes, this was an attack to substantially slow down the Chinese economy. I also believe that Coronavirus was just a test of far worse viruses developed by the US military establishment. China will retaliate economically. It will sell all its US Treasuries and raise the value of the Chinese currency. When the latter happens Chineses citizens will be able to consume what they produce. The US economy will simply collapse to hyperinflation as de-dollarisation catches on and the outstanding Dollars go back to the US and wipe them out as a tsunami would.
@Hungaricus
Americans simply do not understand what De-Dollarization is all about. Very sad.
Russia isn’t only behind election hacking! They’re also trying to smear US over coronavirus … according to State Department
https://www.rt.com/usa/481485-coronavirus-russia-state-department/
“US State Department officials are claiming Moscow is behind an internet campaign to blame the coronavirus on the US government.
Without citing specific examples, officials told AFP that the foreign nation is using “false personas” to spread conspiracy theories about the virus, including that the virus is the US’ attempt to “wage economic war on China” and that it could be a biological weapon deployed by the CIA to “spread anti-China messages.”
The messages are apparently spread through thousands of online accounts, run by people and not bots, which post similar messages in multiple languages and can be “linked back to Russian proxies.” The unknown number of accounts all received “carte blanche” from the Russian government to say whatever they can to damage the US’ reputation, the report claims.
Philip Reeker (as in “reeks of cow manure”), the acting Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia, says Russia’s intent in this loosely-detailed effort is to “undermine US institutions and alliances from within.”
The State Department also blamed this campaign of “Russian talking points” for slower responses to the coronavirus in Africa and Asia.
All this information is supposedly gathered in a report by the Global Engagement Center (GCE) and seen by AFP. The State Department’s GCE has a sketchy history of being accused of spreading its own propaganda, like a $1.5 million program that was deployed to discredit any and all critics of Trump’s policies in Iran. The account @IranDisinfo was running smear campaigns against anyone, including journalists, who dared to challenge the president’s hawkish policies, despite the account supposedly being meant to only combat Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) propaganda.”
A very common israeloamerican tactic
Accuse others what you did to take the attention off yourself.
Is it possible that the corona virus incident will be used as a false flag pretext for a military attack on China.
This could be the perfect event to get the necessary political support necessary for a military attack on China.
american agression is equal to Chinese and Russian reticence to retaliate. as PCR has argued all along the more Russia and China back away from from US provocation the more aggressive the US acts.
all this ‘internet’ nonsesnse is more american preparation for attack by driving China back against the wall. the more China backs away the more america advances..if amageddon is advance.
China will have to stand and fight at some point or be consumed without a fight.
that is the american experiment in all this here..if it can flush China into a mode in which it can destroy the Chinese without a fight. the more China backs away the more the american deep state is encouraged in their strategy of terorizing China into surrender
the Chinese, and the Russians too, are wasting time. they may think they have options but they do not.
there is no more need for people, for capitalism even. human society has arrived at a point of evolution, revolution..qualitative social change anyway. capitalism is dead..the old must give way to the new. at the point of scientific/technological advance humanity as achieved, in the hands of the capitalist there is no more meed for people. we all know this salient fact.
for humanity as a whole it is socialism or Brave New World of the capitalists, evolving into absolute social monopolosts and dictators..with ARMARGEDDON sitting in the middle as the third rail. but the old way can withstand qualitative social change no longer. society is at that point..the 3 absolute options..one must be chosen.
if the Chinese and Russians are cowed or bought into submission they avoid nothing but the destruction of Amargeddon. but the western white elites in total global control will kill off their populations. they have no choice. they can employ them and they would be a source of social instability and revolution
humanity faces extinction..the only positive option for ordinary people is socialism..socialism or death by all out nuclear/biological war, or the slow, tortuous and painful death of Brave New World
what more do the Chinese in partuclar need to demonstrate to them what awaits them in surrender?
their food supply has been decimated, their people poisoned by SARS and now by COVID-19! what the hell then…..!!!!!!!!!???
if the Chinese do not stand here I hate to see what the empire will do to them next!!!
the options for humanity at this point are clear..HUMANITY MUST CHOOSE ONE!
It seems to me fairly obvious that BOTH Russia and China are fully aware of the threat posed by the USA. Well Pompeo made it obvious even to a three year old.
Have a look at what both countries have been doing militarily and there can be no doubt they are alarmed and preparing as best they can.
However neither country WANTS war, nor do they feel they are ready yet.
Putin is using diplomacy as best he can to secure allies and borders, while at the same time investing big time in defensive/offensive weapons. His weapons seem to work but obviously are not yet tested, nor does he have enough of them. Obviously time is on Russia’s side, so he will delay war as long as possible. His navy is very weak, but army strong and airforce a mixed bag. His is a defensive strategy – it always was. He needs to build up the economic base and secure succession. Russia is not capable of an offensive war, nor i assume does it want one. I would be VERY careful of listening to those who encourage Russia to fight back now. It would be self destructive and I am not sure they have Russia’s best interests at heart. This sadly includes PJR.
Putin will only act if threatened on his own territory and then it will be significant and unpredictable. He will do everything in his power short of war to keep Iran stable and not under US control and will keep NATO from his borders. Turkey is probably his most complex problem right now along with protecting Syria. But I repeat, the strategy is defence plus alliances NOT aggression.
Now China has adopted a different strategy. Until 15 years ago its military approach was also defensive but that has changed and is what is really scaring the USA. If the corona virus is a bioweapon then this is the reason. Have a look at China’s blue water navy expansion over the last 10 years. It is stunning. China by building warships at a rate of knots threatens to take control of the western Pacific in the near future. it remains to be seen how far this epidemic has slowed China’s military production but i am guessing not too much.
I am told that there are now more than 100 Chinese cities that have had NO new cases of the virus in the last 2 days. I have access to Chinese speakers who get regular updates. I believe the data from China, largely because I KNOW that they have been effectively quarantining people in neighbouring cities. People have been staying at home. Households are given slips which allow one person every two days to go out and shop. I have read (Global Times) that home cooking has become very popular, so i expect that there will be some economic changes in China in the next few year – demand for western style oven for example as people learn to bake.
It is still too early to make predictions but if this is a bioweapon, like most things touched by the USA it will probably backfire. While China seems to have successfully contained the outbreak to a few (significant ) cities, US ally South Korea is in free fall re the epidemic and Japan looks to be in denial still but at a very dangerous phase. Now that the virus is in Italy, Europe is in danger and it will be practically impossible to keep it out of the US.
Yes!
China and Russia are winning the peace.
When you are winning the peace, then you don’t need war.
I see Europe and the US suffering much more from this virus.
Why?
The proportion of the population that is either aged or chronically ill is greater.
In the US tens of millions with no health insurance.
Deep divisions within US and European societies – undermines the cohesion necessary to act.
Lack of a strong central state with the political will to act and to determine resource allocation.
Hollowed out economies with vast welfare states means cascading problems once one part of the structure is sufficiently disturbed.
At the following link are interesting forecasts of population numbers and GDP for all countries in 2025
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx
I did not see your comment until now Watcher. I agree with you and I am sure PCR would as well to the extent there is time on the Cinese/Russian side for all that. but its not the Chinese and Russians who are aggressive and they both do not appear to have the luxury of of the time they need as set out in your argument…pacing their action/reaction by and on the speed of their own internal development of what they may think they need to defat the hegemon
particulary in the case of China they are under immediate attack and no response only emboldens the aggressor.
it must noted that Iran carried out a retaliation on which precipitated no american escalation. I am not suggestion any action of the sort by China..there is no reason for such as yet..nothng has been proven as to the story of COVID-19. but there were clear american provoacations in the recent past that they did not repond to, ignored. that as far as I argue is bad policy.
the aggressor must be convinced that there will be at least an equal reponse to his aggression at all times. the aggressor must in no way be emboldened by lack of such as clear response to his provocation. if there is none of that the aggressor will not stop
I am asking that in the event that COVID-19 turns out to be biological attack.. and its effect, impact on China is terrific indeed. whatever room China had for ‘no response, to be patient’ has evaporated. there is no more rooom and to prove this point the question what next will the aggressor do next..what more level of attack can China sustain..given the damage being inflicted by COVID-19?
China can take no more at this point..none at all so – severe what has happened already is
that is my point!
sure what you describe as the Chinese/Russian plan of defence and response to the hegemon makes sense..if the hegemon stands and waits with them as they build their strength to defeat him…while he declines against their growth and increase. but the hegemon is not doing that at all..he is attacking now. and as China/Russia do nothing in response…allegedly based on your argument of buying time.. the hegemon is emboldened suggesting more to come from him immediately.
that makes it urgent that China/Russia act now in their own defense, that their preparedness to do so becomes clearly evident to the aggressor: that they must act even if they not wish to, think they are ready or unready to do so..it does not matter. the situation has been precipiated and all involved must adjust to the urgency imposed on the situation
Ben
I am not so sure that it is quite as simple for China to retaliate proportionately in this case.
First there is the issue of proving that it was indeed a bioweapon. Also convincing the rest of the world of same
then just what sort of retaliation might there be. China may or may not have bioweapons of its own but perhaps they are not willing to use them – some level of morality perhaps
Third, just possibly if they retaliate then the enemy might strike again.
So it does not make sense to retaliate in a knee jerk way.
Watcher
“I would be VERY careful of listening to those who encourage Russia to fight back now. It would be self destructive and I am not sure they have Russia’s best interests at heart. This sadly includes PJR.”
Agree.
Not necessarily, a fleet footed protagonist can keep avoiding the charge of a bull and prick it with a dagger and the crazed bull eventually exhausts itself ftom blood loss etc .
Strategic depth ……
Why would they want to do that? I know that many of the Empire’s leaders are patently unhinged and should be straitjacketed and locked away but even they are lucid enough to understand that that would be the last stupid thing that they would ever do. No, the way to do it would be to undermine China bit by bit.
Would using bio-weapons help? In open war perhaps, but these weapons are unpredictable. Their biggest allies in the region are getting the bug, Korea and Japan. RoK doesn’t seem to be handling the spread very well. At the moment Japan seems to be tackling it with complete sang-froid. You can be sure PRC is watching the reaction in both countries very closely — not the national reaction but those taken by the Hegemon to protect its troops in the two countries, about 70,000 strong. They’ll be looking to see action that could betray foreknowledge of the nature of the bug. But so far so good. Public statements made by US Forces command about threat level in RoK say it is ‘moderate’.
https://www.usfk.mil/Media/News/Article/2070556/usfk-covid-19-updated-february-23-2020/
“Their biggest allies in the region are getting the bug, Korea and Japan”
They are vassals not allies.
Anything which scares capital into US Treasury bonds is good news for the US Government.
10 year bond now yields 1.37%.
Cheaper financing!
simple…when I speak of socialism I begin with national independence..the people rise and take their nations back and begin to organize their social life in accordance with their national needs.. the people would be free to do as they want, rather need, to organize as it is possible in the most positive ways guided only by the reality of their conditions and needs
there would be the absolute end of imperialism and the inviolability of national independence in an evolving global reality of lawful socialism or democracy in which the popular will is dominant..so the end of absolutism.
I do expect that the people will see through, indeed have already seen through the nature of minority power and dictatorial potential in all its manifestations.. like political parties and other forms of social organization that promote groups to social power that do not participate in the production of the wealth of society… but live off of such wealth. that is the most sure way of the evolution of social dictatorship by parasitic minorities……………..
Yep.
Just when we hoped the virus was being contained, come study’s like this. China might be prepared, but are other country’s?
http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4115-coronavirus-is-up-to-20-times-more-likely-to-bind-to-human-cell-receptors-comapared-to-sars
authored by Michael Snyder? Hmmmmm….
Snyder, the well known hysteric?
@Anonymous
I agree with you. He’s an AngloZionist propagandist. Look at his articles. Cheered Trump for his assassination of General Soleimani. Clearly anti-Iran, and also anti-China.
Dont really know or follow the fellow, but if his information is somehow shown to be accurate, what does that make you? A calming denialist? No one can get it right all the time, most can barely get it right at all.
Are we sure that this is just a war on China?
Unconfirmed so rather suspicious, but the outbreak in Iran may be larger than thought of: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-died-virus-total-death-toll-12-69170688
Makes me wonder whether we can expect an outbreak in Venezuela soon. Be prepared when we see Gaylord Guaido with a full face mask…
Cheers, Rob
great observation Rob.
as you bring it up intimation that this may be an attack on the worlds population seems reasonable indeed.
Focus on China/USA seminal competition may be deliberate media misdirection to hide global attack..to be blamed on Chinese mishandling of their ‘nefarious biological warfare developments!’
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/legislator-iran-qom-alleges-virus-coverup-200224100832284.html
and internal controversy in Iran too! wow! what indeed about Venezuela
Wŭhàn always had a bad repute as a hotbed of infectious sicknesses. When I passed through late autumn 1984, there had just been an outbraik of rat-carried plague (“the black death”). Family members and acaintances in previous generations who lived as doctors and missionaries in Húnán, Húbĕi and Soutwestern Hénán provinces 1905-1951 all studiously avoided staying over in Wŭhàn except when absolutely unavoidable.
By the way: “Wŭhàn” is actually a composite name for an amalgation of three separate cities divided by thre great rivers and one great bridge (now several): Wŭchàng, Hànkŏu and Hànyáng. (Lots of Hàn Chinese here, speaking five very different dialects. Not that the “Hàn” part isthe Hàn used for the Han dynasty and is now the ethnic name for most speakers of Han Cinese language (exceptions: Chinese-speaking muslims, some ethnic minorities and quint Southern regionalects ther the word for ethnic Chinese is sometimes “Táng”.
No wonder Máo Zédōng registrated his famous Yang-tzu-kiang swimtour here int the 1960ies.
I have had massive respect since even before I bought Pepe Escobar’s book Globalistan: “How the Globalized World is Dissolving Into Liquid War”, and read it under a grapevine, in The Greek Island of Corfu, when the temperature was 45 Degrees Centigrade (yes Turkey was even hotter – it reached 47)..but I am still here, and have had the longest enduring bad cold, since I was a child – but it’s not quite as bad as flu, and I have a great deal of confidence, that when it warms up a bit, I will feel fine, and be doing all the things I normally do, in the spring, summer, and autumn.
I think this is a winter media event, for the Northern Hemisphere. It’s designed to terrorise you, a bit like 9/11. I just look at the numbers. Coronavirus, seems incredibly mild. Very much like a really bad cold. Not quite as bad as the flu. This is my favourite analysis…
“In a private conference call organized last week by CLSA, a brokerage firm based in Hong Kong, investment analysts had a chance to ask Nicholls, one of the world’s foremost experts on the topic, questions about the novel coronavirus. News of the private conference call was first reported by The Financial Times, and in the days since the call, more details of Nicholls’ analysis have surfaced on social media and elsewhere online, including a transcript of the call.
The transcript of the call showed Nicholls believes weather conditions will be a key factor in the demise of the novel coronavirus. Referencing the SARS outbreak from 2002 and 2003, Nicholls said he thinks similar weather factors will also shut down the spread of the novel coronavirus.
“Three things the virus does not like: 1. Sunlight, 2. Temperature, and 3. Humidity,” Nicholls said in response to a question about when he thinks confirmed cases will peak, the transcript showed.
“Sunlight will cut the virus’ ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it’s about 13 to 20 [minutes],” Nicholls said. “Sunlight is really good at killing viruses.”
For that reason, he also added that he doesn’t expect areas such as Australia, Africa and the Southern hemisphere to see high rates of infection because they are in the middle of summer.
Regarding temperatures, Nicholls said the warmer the better for stopping the spread of the virus, according to the transcript of the conference call.
“The virus can remain intact at 4 degrees (39 degrees Fahrenheit) or 10 degrees (50 F) for a longer period of time,” Nicholls said, referring to Celsius measurements, according to the transcript. “But at 30 degrees (86 degrees F) then you get inactivation. And high humidity — the virus doesn’t like it either,” he added, the transcript of the call showed. ”
Yet his analysis, might be wrong. I have little trust in “experts”. In which case I refer you to another analysis, by Monty Python…Personally, I think the best thing you can do, is work hard, gets lots of exercise, fall in love, and eat loads of fresh veg and fresh meat, and don’t go to the doctor, unless its really bad. They are great for fixing broken bones, but they are not going to make you happy by prescribing you drugs, cos you realise the world has gone almost completely mad, and you are feeling depressed. That just means you are normal.
“Bring out your dead”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg
Tony
I just don’t get the whole furor over this coronavirus thing. Bottom line, it’s just a frigging flu. It doesn’t seem to be killing more people than any of a few flu and flu-like epidemics over the last decade or so. Other than the media deciding it’s a huge thing because they have to have something to talk about and it’s an excuse to trashtalk China, I don’t get how there’s anything exceptional about it.
Although really, I guess the bad thing is the way the media have in the past ignored epidemics that killed serious loads of people because they didn’t have cool names. Yawn, the flu, people die from it, but it’s hard to take seriously because it’s so familiar.
I would generally tend to agree with you.
However, the ‘breathtaking’ actions of China, to use Pepe Escobar’s adjective, involving shutting down more than half of the economy, and putting hundreds of millions of people into quarantine, give me pause for thought.
These measures are not only expensive – think of the lost income – but they also court the possibility of immense popular dissatisfaction.
Why would China do that for the “frigging flu”?
You’re correct that the flu kills some 500000 people per year. Mostly people who are already very weak.
But imho that’s not a fair comparison to say that this new coronavirus is a frigging flu. Just read what this does to your body: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/
“The implications extend outside the lungs. Cytokine storms create inflammation that weakens blood vessels in the lungs and causes fluid to seep through to the air sacs. “Basically you’re bleeding out of your blood vessels,” Rasmussen says. The storm spills into your circulatory system and creates systemic issues across multiple organs.”
Basically, you’re drowning in your own body fluids. That’s a rotten way to go.
May Americans think that this is a sharp lesson for China, just wait until stuff is not available anymore due to JIT and supply chain failures, the oil price collapses, the highly contagious virus suddenly starts to spread, the Walmarts are empty and riots break out…
Ever read the 19th century short story ‘The masque of the Red Death’ by Edgar Allen Poe? As could be expected, it doesn’t end all too well.
Cheers, Rob
Cheers, Rob
@Rob
I also believe this whole will boomerang against the evil empire. Remember, Karma is a bitch. I am waiting with anticipation how China will respond, but above all how KARMA will respond.
Repost from reiner Tor says:
February 24, 2020 at 11:06 pm GMT • 100 Words
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-will-kill-millions-crater-the-world-economy/#comment-3734624
There was another study, which found more such receptors among smokers, but no difference between racial groups.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202002.0051/v1/download
Now with a pretty bad epidemic in Iran and increasingly in Italy, it certainly doesn’t seem to be very likely.
Abstract from the report: (NOTE not peer-review)
In current severe global emergency situation of 2019-nCov outbreak, it is imperative to identify vulnerable and susceptible groups for effective protection and care. Recently, studies found that 2019-nCov and SARS-nCov share the same receptor, ACE2. In this study, we analyzed four large-scale datasets of normal lung tissue to investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene expression. No significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression were found between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian), age groups (>60 vs <60) or gender groups (male vs female). However, we observed significantly higher ACE2 gene expression in smoker samples compared to non-smoker samples. This indicates the smokers may be more susceptible to 2019-nCov and thus smoking history should be considered in identifying susceptible population and standardizing treatment regimen.
And
Harvard Theft of Chinese DNA Continued in 1990s, Right up to SARS. Looks Like Bioweapon Development by Jeff J. Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHH5f068j1Y
Be safe all
p/s while all the info may be vital and good to know, my Focus in on Individual Health and Wealth preservation
individual health/wealth preservation in in the last days of capitalism!!???
interesting!
how can that be accomplished? the capitalist owns literally everything already..
down to the pennies in our pockets.?
the capitalists poesse the coercive means to effect
this reality as well and foreclose on us. the capitalist can do that… take it all, confiscate us and leave us penniless, homeless and starving..once the coercion follow orders
so how can any individual, ensure personal health and wealth? and if no wealth we cant pay to ensure our
our health..to ensure anything at all. all we can hope for is that the capitalist does not foreclose on society as a whole.
or as society as a whole, we take the law into our own collective hands, where it should be in the first place, and must be in fact be brought to be, deciding as sentient, sane enough .. if we can so decide in our own best interest.. and capable individuals, to act collectively to bring the capitalist and his system to nought, where it must be on the truth that it is an illegal and exhaustively exploitative system – of humans and environment.. that capitalism is anti-human, anti-nature, corrupt, criminal and existentially suicidal..and that capitalism represents and contains no potenbtial for a positive human future.
indeed that the potential degenerate capitalism does contain is degenerate capitalist foreclosure, that means mass human enslavement, surveillance, massive scientific control of society, massive depopulation of the global human population into an engineered rump that is so genetically engineered that it can never be a potential to revolutionize society or challenge the autocrat the capitalist becomes
we can decide as individuals to make the decisive social human collective that is essential to foreclose on the capitalist/capitalism, before the capitalist forcloses on society
@ben
Health – pls wait for amarynth collective alt health report
Wealth – in the east in means community support, offspirngs, well being and peace… doe not necessary need to have a artificial market price tag like in the west
Human has survive this kind of crisis – Chinese has survive these kind of crisis for 5,000 year. Your post just made me realise the white USA has not. So do think about it, read widely on history. Some, like Bro 93 go into cryptos, some gold, some like me go into spiritual mapping and meditation to keep the peace, which is my much prefered precious ‘assets’. There are many ways. Not all of them need a price tag, authorised by some institution, who is back by violent force and coersion.
and if you have luck, you be well too.
China turning this crisis into an advertisement for its political will and organization. Bruce Aylward of WHO:
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“They used standard, old-fashioned public health tools and applied these with a rigour and innovation of approach on a scale that we’ve never seen before in history.
They have taken case findings, contact duration, social distancing, movement restriction and used that approach to try and stop a new emergent, respiratory born pathogen.
Here, there was no vaccine, there was no therapeutic, the Chinese took a very pragmatic approach in deciding we are going to go after containment of this virus using that set of tools.
A lot of people, myself included, were maybe concerned as to whether or not you can truly stop that kind of pathogen … and isolate the cases … but China took a very systematic approach.”
………
“This is a modern city of 15 million people. It’s a ghost town but behind every window there are people cooperating with this response. People have said there is a big presence forcing them, but there isn’t.
It’s staggering. Every person you talk to there has a sense they are mobilised in a war against a virus, and they’re organised”
…….
”
Everyone has a role and it has been repurposed to fit into this machinery and it works through a prevention and control task force that answers straight to the state council and president.
It’s a technologically turbocharged response. They are using big data and AI in places. They’ve had to manage massive amounts of data and map huge numbers of contacts, 70,000 people over vast areas.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls
Let’s see how the West deals with it.
Mmmm, Why Italy”?, I hear you ask.
“In March 2019, Italy signed a memorandum of understanding with China on the BRI. This culminated a long-standing economic relationship spanning decades, that was punctuated by finance minister Giovanni Tria’s August 2018 visit to China. Although Tria may have quickened the process, Italy’s political class were already in agreement about the merits of deepening relations with Beijing”
https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/05/20/why-did-italy-embrace-belt-and-road-initiative-pub-79149
europe again..it never ceases: hypocrisy, lies-lying, back-stabbings and betrayals..and heartless hegemons responsible for the damage, causing the looses of all they seek to dominate and refuses to allow them to earn for themselves correcting their looses by action the hegemon sees as harmful of his interest
so those who have lost must lose again so that the hegemon can ‘win’..at the same time they are losing they are stabbed in the back by others who also betray the hegemon and compatriots bet apear to get away with it……
pheeeeeeeeeeeww!!!! Europe eh. oh mi god!
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Dear Saker, I just found this document I read the past year and come straight out from Davos Weforum: the https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-global-risks-report-2019
if you download the pdf, there is a clear section talking about risk of virus spreading, terrorism, pandemic, stock market collapse and even about sanctioning nations locking food trades and other primary goods.. now the funny part about this coronavirus pandemic is that perfectly fits their 2019 narrative..and the more funny part is about the 2020 risk report who speaks also about improving financial fundings for health sector, particularly vaccines..things Trump administration is currently doing due this coronavirus spreading..
to me another hint that this crisis was premeditated a long ago against the rising China.. or at least created as an option to use in a “worst case scenario” for the US, like that one you describe in this article.
blessings
Anon
Especially for Pamela
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5642354_The_geographic_distribution_of_the_ACE_II_genotype_A_novel_finding
I am really rather saddened to find this article. I guess in my heart I hoped that there was NOT a racial element to this disease, but as this paper shows, there IS in terms of ACE2 receptors and we know these play a role for SARS and the new virus.
There is enough statistical evidence in THIS even for Pamela, with sample sizes in all the studies in the several thousands.
So yes it seems clear that East Asians have a relatively very high frequency of ACE2 genotype 41-48% in Japan, Taiwan and Korea and much of China. This is more than twice the frequency found in most of Europe(13-27%). The Arab people have a much much lower frequency (2-7%). Not sure if is sufficient of a difference for a bioweapon unless you were from Lebanon or Saudi Arabia or lands near by. Most of Africa including Egypt and Israel were not included in the study.
This is the SAME report we have already discussed.
“Five hundred and seventy healthy volunteers were recruited from the Lebanese population”
and NOTE NO Asian was mentioned in the experiment.
So how did they extrapolate the result to asian? unless they are lebanese asian/chinese???
Its like you experiment on cats and deduce a conclusion for dogs. How?
There seems to be a strong racial angle in this but ACE2 receptors may not be the real factor and we dont know what else they are keeping as their secret weapon.
No it IS NOT
It includes summaries of many reports with thousands of samples. More than 35 separate studies are summarised (Table 2) and cumulatively there would be about 3000 samples.
There can be little doubt that there IS a racial profile for this particular receptor. This study of course was not done for SARS but rather for hypertension and management of cardiac conditions. There are other studies which I have seen that show smoking is an additional risk factor and that some women are better protected (i did not read the study in detail but it seemed to relate to the effects of oestrogen.
The point is that clearly there IS a racial difference in one of the key factors affecting the infectivity of the virus.
Now I cannot see that by itself it would make a good bioweapon at least not for Europeans to use – the susceptibility is still significant but it certainly adds to the suspicious circumstances and probably rules China out as a “bioweapon”maker given that they would be crazy to use anything to which they were MORE susceptible than major enemies.
@ Watcher
I respectfully doubt this report of “More than 35 separate studies are summarised (Table 2) and cumulatively there would be about 3000 samples.” I won’t go into the scientific method disagreement here but it not as valid and strict as I was trained to put a definitive conclusion on it. Let’s just say I try writing a scientific report like that in my early years and it was bin.
Your confidence is in the many unchecked reference the author as cited. Unless we go through each reference and check if the author does understand and correctly use it as inference, we dont know what was in the original report. All we know, for sure, is that in this authors experiment there was no asian sample in it.
So unfortunately we need to go into the details more if we were to dig.
But on the side note, I do think ACEII may contain an asian-gene code (my private study) but as I posted earlier, none of us are pure blood no more and plus the dietary and maybe even geomagnetic changes around (5G? Solar storm?), this gene-tech targeting, to my understanding, is not worth that much, if de-pop is the final and hidden goal. To say that gene-target is possible, is to say we are meat-body animal ONLY. Thats is gene will react and respond too, and how out body will produce the anti-body naturally. But if one already has bad health or exposed to lethal environment, then maybe the case was long shut even before it reach the court of investigation.
Be safe
? Keep calm and Read the paper.
They were studying genotypes of ACE of which ACE 2 is one. For comparison they used ACE2 genotypes found in other countries in research conducted by others (36 studies, from Sweden to Japan). This is what Watcher is quoting.
Apologies for barging in folks. This is an interesting paper that you’ve put up Watcher.
There’s some discussion circulating that ACE2 expression is higher amongst smokers. East Asians are pretty heavy smokers so that may be the reason they are more susceptible to Covid-19.
This paper (pre-print, published 14 Feb) by a US University researcher studied four large datasets of lung tissue to investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene expression.
Sample size 214.
Findings (among others): “We didn’t find significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian), age groups (>60 vs <60) or gender groups (male vs female)."
"However, we observed significantly higher ACE2 gene expression in former smoker’s lung compared to non-smoker’s lung. Also, we found higher ACE2 gene expression in Asian current smokers compared to non-smokers but not in Caucasian current smokers, which may indicate an existence of gene-smoking interaction."
So the jury's still out on racial susceptibility, I think. At any rate it's still early and we have to wait for more data from Italy and Iran. Could go either way.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202002.0051/v2
Stand Easy i read that paper (or skimmed it) but it seems inconsistent with the 36 studies listed in the article i linked.. – Not the smoking which seems OK.
Now I was prompted to read a bit more into the article (other than looking at table 2) and realised that the REASON it was done was to study historical links re racial distribution, just as was done for ABO blood groups etc. It suggests that this ACE 2 might be a marker for ancient realationships. Now quite off topic but certain enzymes in human lungs are thought to be hold overs from intermarriage between ancient humans and the even more ancient Denisovans – especially in Tibet, allowing better coping with living in the very high mountains..
Watcher, yeah they were plotting genotypes for migration patterns, probably didn’t take confounding factors into account.
BTW I didn’t know there are lots of Chinese in Italy especially in the north. Ansa, an Italian media, reported that there’re about 25000 Chinese in a single town of about 85000 natives (I forget the name). Same thing with Iran — the Chinese presence, I mean. Something to be cheerful about at this dreadful moment I suppose. Apparent Chinese connection means less chance of outbreak coming out de novo. At least that’s the hope.
Quite so Stand easy
However the recent cases in Italy suggest that many others are susceptible. Of course viruses of this type mutate incredibly quickly and it is not beyond reason to consider that a small mutation could flip the switch to infect a wider range of people. This is what influenza does all the time.
My big issue with the Iran situation is that there are NOT many Chinese in Iran – or at least not in the major tourist centres. There ARE lots of Italians and also Germans and Russians and French.
I am also puzzled by Qom in particular. it is NOT on the tourist route – for Chinese or anyone, but it is on the religious travel route eg Lebanon, Syria etc. Of course you only need one or two highly infectious people to spread the disease but Qom seems like an unlikely place for an epidemic to start, especially one coming in from China – not exactly lots of Muslims traveling from Wuhan to Qom. Students perhaps – that might be an explanation as many may have been studying in the universities in Wuhan – it is the University capital of China I am told – the best and brightest – also where the good looking boys and girls are (as told to me by 18 year olds).
Coronavirus may or may not be a bio-weapon, but it seems passing strange that another Imperial target, Iran suddenly has an outbreak, seemingly ex nihilo. And coronavirus is definitely being used to spread and deepen Sinophobic hatred around the world.
The entire Iranian cabinet could have the disease now:
Golnaz Esfandiari
@GEsfandiari
Iran’s Vice president Massoumeh Ebtekar has been tested positive to Coronavirus. Ebtekar was present at yesterday’s cabinet meeting, sitting not far from President Rouhani. 2 Mps and a deputy health minister have said in past days that they have been infected.
This whole “coronavirus” generated hysteria is just that,the acting out in real life by the usual bit player suspects doing their part by reading a script, of a pre-programming movie out in 2011, Contagion, with even the exact scheme of unfolding, handling, & words of specific sub-plots being used.
Contagion: hybrid virus from SARS, involving from bats;
Country 1st outbreak in: China
Jumps to: USA;
Motive: $$$ for instigators/insiders, not you!; (side-benefit: huge cover excuse for major w/w financial disaster due very soon;)
TCM/Herbal anti-viral remedy: forsythia & honeysuckle, chinese skullcap;
Ironic i found it out by total accident because i picked out this specific vid randomly on bitcoin to see how many lies about that i could count in it. START video at 4:40 mark, continuous to end :
Chico CryptoFEB 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcaoeicDKGg
Al Jazeera has this news today:
“Saudi Arabia halts travel to Mecca, Medina over coronavirus
Extraordinary decision stops foreigners from visiting Islam’s holiest sites as Middle East reports 220 confirmed cases.”
Trump appoints VP Pence to lead coronavirus response, says US ‘totally prepared’
https://www.rt.com/news/481768-trump–white-house-coronavirus/
“He put Vice President Mike Pence in charge of coordinating the government’s response to the coronavirus, designated COVID-19 by the World Health Organization.
“I don’t think it’s inevitable” that the virus will spread, the president told reporters. “Whatever happens, we’re totally prepared. We have the best people in the world.”
What could go wrong?
Wrong… For who? Pence being placed in charge of COVID-19 response is a hoot.
COVID-19 didn’t just appear out of nowhere. My own feelings are mixed, but if COVID-19 was part of an overall shadow geopolitical shadow plan, it was a very well thought-out one but over-reliant on a compliant White House.
We’ve been primed for years what to expect and accept from movies and TV like the “Hunger Games” (authoritarian control) and even “Game of Thrones” (rolled back standard of living and dirty political intrigue). There’s even an entire cult of so-called preppers is ready to cut and run for the woods, not protect civilization.
The Dems would want their own ‘medical professional Czar’ and whole new authoritarian bureaucracy of faux-Progressive jobs running mass lockdowns and quarantines – a total police state.
All to contain a cold, a nearly impossible task in the long run, worse if the wrong measures are deliberately taken to enhance the ‘necessity’ of emergency measures that eventually become the new normal.
Instead of “Papers, citizen!” at gunpoint and checkpoint, its “Temperature, citizen!”, with detention centres – quarintine – all set up and ready for dissidents.
We can see what happened in China. Total authoritarianism didn’t stop the virus. A lot of people died and so did the economy. Only the politically protected thrive. Only non-locked-down areas still work.
China got played by globalists. The CCP may mean well, but when beekeepers commit suicide because they’ve been cut off from their livelihoods, and all bureaucrats can say is ‘don’t do that’… there’s a problem the CCP may be too prideful to admit let alone fix.
The virus actual threat level is so low, and relies on scaremongering and human panic to do economic and social damage. If COVID-19 was a bioweapon, COVID-19 was also artfully like a social virus meant to create a destructive social auto-immune response. Like a neutron bomb, meant to damage people not institutions; protect wealth while decimating holders of money; the over-leveraged 1%, middle classes, and working poor.
However, this kind of stuff takes years, even decades of planning. The COVID-19 script was probably meant for a Hilary White House, not a Trump White House. When Trump got in, plans in motion probably couldn’t just be stopped.
Like the oil derivatives time N-Option Pepe wrote about. That would blow up world financial systems and the global economy, and built up under the Obama years, if not earlier. It was probably meant to be detonated by a Hilary Administration war with Iran.
That war hasn’t happened yet under Trump. Maybe the oil derivatives bomb is be being unwound now by COVID-19 panic. Or maybe its just being tweaked, in the absence of more profitable shadow finance schemes.
Had the N-Option gone off under Hilary, the last American nationalist patriots would today be trying to rally under a corrupted RINO Republican banner in a nation roiling under not only uncontrolled migrants, Antifa riots, stock market collapse, economic collapse and topped by a pandemic panic.
Instead, its the Democratic globalists out of Presidential power and protection, global reset events went flop, not pop, and COVID-19 is the last domino standing.
COVID-19 isn’t quite an orphaned Doomsday weapon. While its potential benefactors are no longer as cozily positioned as they would like. If U.S. neocon globalists can get Trump with COVID-19, they may be able to make up for lost Global Reset time.
But, that’s just a hypotheses of course. All that happens could just be natural coincidence.
Iran seals off religious sites as coronavirus death toll rises & Pakistan reports new cases
https://www.rt.com/news/481757-iran-coronavirus-cases-pakistan/
” Iran has imposed partial restrictions on holy sites and canceled some Friday sermons, as the country grapples with a rising COVID-19 death toll. Meanwhile, neighboring Pakistan has confirmed its first cases of the coronavirus.
The highest number of coronavirus fatalities outside China have occurred in Iran, with 19 people dead, according to the country’s health ministry. With another 139 infected, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said on Wednesday that his government has no plans of quarantining entire cities or districts yet, according to state television.
However, Health Minister Saeed Namaki said that some restrictions will be put in place at certain Shiite holy sites, and some Friday sermons will be canceled across the country. Some schools and universities have been closed since authorities announced the outbreak last week, and soccer matches and concerts have been called off.
Across the border to the southeast, Pakistan confirmed its first two cases of the deadly illness on Wednesday. Both patients had recently returned from Iran, where one had traveled with a group of pilgrims to the holy city of Qom.
Holy sites in Iran draw millions of Shia pilgrims every year, and authorities in neighboring countries are concerned that these people, on top of the regular flow of business travelers and tourists, could accelerate the spread of the coronavirus throughout the Middle East. As well as in Pakistan, cases of the virus have already been reported in Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, Oman, Lebanon, the United Arab Emirates, Afghanistan and Georgia, involving people who recently visited Iran.”
19 dead out of 136 cases. That is much more severe than everywhere else. I’m guessing the 136 are only those in hospital, not all who have caught the disease. The disease kills Chinese, but not others. I’ve not seen any info on who died in Iran, were they Chinese? There has been nothing reported on the breakdown of which people caught it, and their health status in Iran, that I’ve seen. Who is the disease affecting in Iran? Is this the same virus even?
Notice the terrible luck of timing timing of release of this Hollywood scripted event–it “got out” right into the usual “flu season” ie. winter, when peoples’ vitamin D goes from barely sufficient at best even in peak summer, to very very low.
Vitamin D is fat soluble & is stored in excess mainly in liver & kidneys.
NO, it didn’t get released in late spring or summer, not even early fall.
very important tell detail about this release not in that 2011 movie Contagion.
So we’ve got now hysterical reporting of all these people in many countries sick with the usual flu (which every year w/w numbers in the many tens of millions) who THINK maybe they’ve got this covid GMO.
Agreed. If COVID-19 is a hoax or an op, its a well-designed ‘hybird-hoax’. Even if COVID-19 were natural, its spread pattern seems contrived.
COVID-19 is real and deadly, but not to far above the background pathogen level for plausible deniability as a natural flu event.
Yet COVID-19 hit China in the Year of the Rat, and from 2019-20, a year later than Asian epidemics. These usually happen in the last three years (6-9) of a decade. And the fake alt-news blamed CHINA for the outbreak; not that that usually doesn’t happen, but the claim that China bio-weaponed itself is a step beneath the usual sinophobia and almost like a kind of bragging by the perpetrators.
Severe COVID-19 popped up in the oddest places suddenly, hitting political enemies of globalism in deeply Islamic Qoms, Iran, and wealthy Northern Italy; the oddest places outside Asia to be hit first with ‘community spread’.
This suggests some artificiality in the transmission of COVID-19, whether it was an engineered virus or not.
The Dems are now using COVID-19 to attack Trump, citing his supposedly weak response, which was quite string.
The stock market ‘corrected’, which to the wealthiest, signals a ‘buy’ opportunity but hurts retail middle class investors and retirement funds for the middle class the hardest.
The ongoing alt-news and now MSM news attempts to fearmonger what is essentially just a bad cold, advocating panic over an anti-flu diet and hand-washing like in other flu seasons.
Not that COVID-19 should be ignored instead. COVID-19 should be kept in reasonable perspective and the fearmongering called out and examined.
This could be the reason for the intense media smokescreen:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/02/the-dark-secrets-in-the-feds-last-wall-street-bailout-are-getting-a-devious-makeover-in-todays-bailout/