Note: normally the meetings of the Russian Security Council are held behind closed doors. This time, however, the press was allowed in just to record the beginning of the opening remarks of Vladimir Putin. Then the press was asked to leave. Clearly, this is intended as a message to the Russian people. I have bolded out the part which appear the most important to me.
The Saker
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Good afternoon, colleagues.
Today we will consider the fundamental issues of maintaining the sovereignty and territorial integrity of this country. We all understand how many political, ethnic, legal, social, economic and other aspects this topic encompasses.
Sovereignty and territorial integrity are fundamental values, as I have already said. We are referring to the maintenance of the independence and unity of our state, to the reliable protection of our territory, our constitutional system and to the timely neutralization of internal and external threats, of which there are quite a few in the world today. I should make it clear from the start that, obviously, there is no direct military threat to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of this country. Primarily, the strategic balance of forces in the world guarantees this.
We, on our part, strictly comply with the norms of international law and with our commitments to our partners, and we expect other countries, unions of states and military-political alliances to do the same, while Russia is fortunately not a member of any alliance. This is also a guarantee of our sovereignty.
Any nation that is part of an alliance gives up part of its sovereignty. This does not always meet the national interests of a given country, but this is their sovereign decision. We expect our national legal interests to be respected, while any controversies that always exist, to be resolved only through diplomatic efforts, by means of negotiations. Nobody should interfere in our internal affairs.
However, ever more frequently today we hear of ultimatums and sanctions. The very notion of state sovereignty is being washed out. Undesirable regimes, countries that conduct an independent policy or that simply stand in the way of somebody’s interests get destabilized. Tools used for this purpose are the so-called color revolutions, or, in simple terms – takeovers instigated and financed from the outside.
The focus is of course on internal problems. Any country always has plenty of problems, especially the more unstable states, or states with a complicated regime. Problems do exist, still it is not clear why they should be used to destabilize and break down a country – something we see rather frequently in various parts of the world.
Frequently the forces used here are radical, nationalist, often even neo-fascist, fundamentalist forces, as was the case, unfortunately, in many post-Soviet states, and as is the case with Ukraine now. What we see is practically the same thing.
People came to power through the use of armed force and by unconstitutional means. True, they held elections after the takeover, however, for some strange reason, power ended up again in the hands of those who either funded or carried out this takeover. Meanwhile, without any attempt at negotiations, they are trying to suppress by force that part of the population that does not agree with such a turn of events.
At the same time, they present Russia with an ultimatum: either you let us destroy the part of the population that is ethnically, culturally and historically close to Russia, or we introduce sanctions against you. This is a strange logic, and absolutely unacceptable, of course.
As for the terrible tragedy that occurred in the sky above Donetsk – we would like once again to express our condolences to the families of the victims; it is a terrible tragedy. Russia will do everything within its power to ensure a proper comprehensive and transparent investigation. We are asked to influence the militia in the southeast. As I have said, we will do everything in our power, but this is absolutely insufficient.
Yesterday when the militia forces were handing over the so-called black boxes, the armed forces of Ukraine launched a tank attack at the city of Donetsk. The tanks battled through to the railway station and opened fire at it. International experts who came to investigate the disaster site could not stick their heads out. It was clearly not the militia forces shooting at themselves.
We should finally call on the Kiev authorities to comply with elementary norms of human decency and introduce a cease-fire for at least some short period of time to make the investigation possible. We will of course do everything in our power to make sure the investigation is thorough.
This is exactly why Russia supported the [UN] Security Council Resolution proposed by Australia. We will continue working together with all our partners to ensure a complete and comprehensive investigation. However, if we get back to such scenarios in general, as I have said, they are absolutely unacceptable and counterproductive. They destabilize the existing world order.
Undoubtedly, such methods will not work with Russia. The recipes used regarding weaker states fraught with internal conflict will not work with us. Our people, the citizens of Russia will not let this happen and will never accept this.
However, attempts are clearly being made to destabilize the social and economic situation, to weaken Russia in one way or another or to strike at our weaker spots, and they will continue primarily to make us more agreeable in resolving international issues.
So-called international competition mechanisms are being used as well (this applies to both politics and the economy); for this purpose the special services’ capabilities are used, along with modern information and communication technologies and dependent, puppet non-governmental organizations – so-called soft force mechanisms. This, obviously, is how some countries understand democracy.
We have to give an adequate response to such challenges, and, most importantly, to continue working in a systematic way to resolve the issues that carry a potential risk for the unity of our country and our society.
In the past few years, we have strengthened our state and public institutions, the basics of Russian federalism, and we have made progress in regional development, in resolving economic and social tasks. Our law enforcement agencies and special services have become more efficient in combating terrorism and extremism; we are forming a modern basis of our ethnic policy, adjusting approaches to education; we are constantly combating corruption – all this guarantees our security and sovereignty.
At the same time, we should keep these issues in mind. If necessary, we have to quickly develop and implement additional measures. We need to have a long-term plan of action in these areas, strategic documents and resolutions.
In this regard, I would like to draw attention to several priority challenges.
The first is working consistently to strengthen inter-ethnic harmony, ensure a competent migration policy, and react rigidly to inactions by officials and crimes that may be triggered by inter-ethnic conflicts.
These are challenges for all levels of government, from the federal to the municipal. And, of course, it is extremely important for our civil society to take an active position and react to infringements on human rights and freedoms, helping to prevent radicalism and extremism.
We are particularly relying on civil society for effective help in improving the system of state governance with regard to ethnic policy and educating young people about the spirit of patriotism and responsibility for the fate of their Fatherland, which is particularly important. We discussed this in great detail recently at a meeting of the Council for Inter-ethnic Relations.
By the way, I want to clearly state that – with the help of the civil society – we will never entertain the thought of improving our work in these areas solely by cracking down, so to speak. We will not do that under any circumstances; we will rely on civil society, first and foremost.
Our second important challenge is protecting constitutional order. Constitutional supremacy and economic and legal unity must be ensured throughout all of Russia. Federal standards as defined by the Constitution are inviolable and nobody has the right to break the law and infringe on citizens’ rights.
It is important for all Russians, regardless of where they live, to have equal rights and equal opportunities. This is the foundation for a democratic system. We must rigorously observe these Constitutional principles, and to do this, we must build a clear system of state authority, striving to ensure that all its components function as a united whole, precisely and systemically; this should include increasing local authorities’ role as part of Russia’s overall government mechanism. And naturally, reinforcing the efficacy of the work of the judicial system, the prosecutors, and the regulatory and supervisory authorities should strengthen Russia’s statehood.
The third key challenge is sustainable and balanced economic and social development. At the same time, it is fundamentally important to take into account territorial and regional factors. I mean that we must ensure priority development for strategically important regions, including in the Far East and other areas; we must simultaneously reduce drastic gaps between regions in terms of the economic situation and people’s living standards. All this needs to be taken into account when developing federal and sectorial programmes, improving inter-budgetary relations and building plans to develop infrastructure, selecting locations for new plants and creating modern jobs.
I also feel that we must think about additional steps to decrease the dependence of the national economy and financial system on negative external factors. I am not just referring to instability in global markets, but possible political risks as well.
Fourth, our Armed Forces remain the most important guarantor of our sovereignty and Russia’s territorial integrity. We will react appropriately and proportionately to the approach of NATO’s military infrastructure toward our borders, and we will not fail to notice the expansion of global missile defense systems and increases in the reserves of strategic non-nuclear precision weaponry.
We are often told that the ABM system is a defense system. But that’s not the case. This is an offensive system; it is part of the offensive defense system of the United States on the periphery. Regardless of what our foreign colleagues say, we can clearly see what is actually happening: groups of NATO troops are clearly being reinforced in Eastern European states, including in the Black and Baltic seas. And the scale and intensity of operational and combat training is growing. In this regard, it is imperative to implement all planned measures to strength our nation’s defence capacity fully and on schedule, including, of course, in Crimea and Sevastopol, where essentially we need to fully recreate the military infrastructure.
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Putin said….
“At the same time, they present Russia with an ultimatum: either you let us destroy the part of the population that is ethnically, culturally and historically close to Russia, or we introduce sanctions against you. This is a strange logic, and absolutely unacceptable, of course.”
Sounds good to me. The NDF can use some arty, more tanks & RPG’s for starters…… :)
NATO and the Hegemon have been put on notice.
I think Special Services (FSB) have new marching orders, and several ‘black’ budgets have been opened up for material, R&D, covert missions, and whatever the military says they need to keep Russia too dangerous to mess with and too mobile to stop when it moves.
Behind closed doors, another level of strategy will be discussed. And traps will be laid for the traitors who would sell that information in the West.
I believe Putin has set traps for his enemies, for the enemies of the RF and for the destabilizers.
He spoke to the people at his highest popularity and sounded a warning call, if not a call to arms.
Real threats exist externally, internally and in every realm of government and commerce.
Vigilance is not enough. He called for preparation and plans of action.
And he is planning for war if Crimea is threatened. I’ve said for weeks that he will put tactical nukes into Crimea, not just troops and fortifications.
Yep. It ‘were. Referred in his speach to countries in general as ‘partners’ but when talking about the west he now calls them ‘counter parts.’ And in his speach about matching movements by nato to the Russian borders by incremental movements by Russia, he’s letting us know that Novorussiya is going to be getting some serious help.
People were wondering if/when Putin would act. There’s your answer.
He also stated tat he will hunt down traitors within Russia..in the gov’t or not…and made it everyone’s duty to turn in those who would betray Russia..they too will be punished if they knew but keep their mouths shut. He also stated he will be proactive militarily to transgressions on the borders, and has increased the readiness level and training missions to prepare for aggression. He is mad and means business.
The truth is out and all over Russian TV. BUK would blow the plane to pieces and you would not have the debris field so small. An AtoA missile(s) were launched which disabled the plane and it crashed largely in one piece. I linked to posts showing rod damage to the left wing a few days ago…typical damage from AtoA..and they showed the cockpit sprayed on the left side with holes. The attack was aided by changing the airliner’s course and altitude. The BUKs in Donetsk were backup and were quickly moved out afterwards.
Putin’s calm but resolute and refreshingly direct presentation is directed at the Russian people but the world gets to consider his words.
He prioritizes national sovereignty. This is at absolute odds with the Empire’s agenda of ‘full spectrum dominance’, de facto global totalitarianism, which seeks to make vassals, or craven bowed subjects, of all nations
His observation about the ‘cost’ of alliance – a reduction of sovereignty – is food for thought for every sentient member of NATO. He might have added that alliances can be trip wires for wars that should never have been fought. The treasonous false flag attack of 9/11 was bizarrely presented as justifying NATO war against Afghanistan in 2001.
(Canada’s Prime Minister Harper, as explanation for Canada’s involvement in Afghanistan, spewed that Canadians had died in New York on 9/11 2001.)
When Putin underlines the imperative of Constitutional primacy and legality, he is in sharp contrast to President Bush’s dismissive reference to the US Constitution and Obama’s executive order presidency.
His reference to finding ways to achieve less dependence on the global financial mafia – “we must think about additional steps to decrease the dependence of the national economy and financial system on negative external factors.” – was tactically and strategically cryptic but clear in ultimate intent.
Paul Craig Roberts has previously noted that the various ‘western’ ‘leaders’, in stature, hardly come up to Putin’s ankles. To allow media direct access to this introductory presentation to the Russian Security Council was imo a great move that underlines PCR’s assessment.
There is not a single word I disagree with here. Bravo! Putin is the only true leader out there.
I have found this in internet
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Serb Spartans came to our aid against thousands of punitive army pro-American occupiers!!!
205 Serbian volunteers came to the aid of DPR
Serbian Chetnik commander Bratislav Zivkovic said that in the evening came a large unit of Serbian volunteers.
“Half an hour ago from Serbia arrived 205 volunteers, all of them will join the division of ” Jovan Shevich” which before their arrival counted 45 people. Thus division of Chetnic Slavic group “Jovan Shevich” became the largest by number of fighters, raising the number from 45 to 250.
We don’t have losses in our unit yet, more and more volunteers from the Slavic countries are arriving, about which I am very happy, because thanks to that Serbs and Croats will unite again, we – the Serbs as no-one understand the importance and significance of Slavic brotherhood, moreover we have chance to fight side by side with the Russians. Well, how else would we do (laughs), we can’t be without Russians!”.
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/nov…52332192384425
I am a Croat and these people are for me good people and heroes
Ja sam Hrvat i cestitke Srbima na junastvu, vi se borite za plemenitu stvar, neka vas Bog blagosovi to vam zeli od sva srca jedan Hrvat i anti-natovac.
Saker,
The tough decisions may be coming before too long.
The sanctions are coming no matter what. Russia has caused too many problems.
As you have experience in military planning, you might want to write a post on what you think the West’s game plan is likely to be. Do you think their goal is to drive the rebels into Russia, then expel those in Transdenistria, followed by a destabilization campaign in the Crimea? Can those things be prevented without extreme measures?
Where can one read the whole speech?
Putin the Great! Long live Putin!
Glory to Christian Russia!
With Love,
An American
Exactly. If anyone thinks that the Russian people, the Kremlin and the President of Russia will just roll over and somehow submit to all the bullshit that is being laid on them, they are wrong. The cowards and traitors in Europe surely understand this, but for those who slavishly do the US bidding, they will have to learn. Maybe it will take another generation.
Novorossia will never be sold out. They have paid in blood for their freedom.
As an American, I have total faith in Russia and total respect for Novorossia.
Perhaps some day if the Russians care to invest in a new English language propaganda program, a good start would be a site devoted to the arts and the incredible contribution they have made. Also, a site devoted to military and intelligence history.
Americans and Russians should be natural friends – they actually have much in common – it’s unfortunate that a bunch of insane scum are running the American government, and even more unfortunate that a bunch of undereducated neoliberal pigs are feeding at the trough of blatant war propaganda that calls itself ‘democracy’.
Last night, a mysterious unknown party or parties secretly appeared at the top of the Brooklyn Bridge and painted a large American flag white. The NYPD didn’t seem to have enough imagination to guess what that was all about, but certainly the readers of this blog do, and I have a feeling certain interested parties in Washington D.C. got the message.
Fascism shall not pass.
This reminds me of the fighter praying before the altar, kissing the icons and asking for blessings before plunging into the evils of battle.
Some of his speech reminds me also of Dr. Martin Luther King, echoing with such clear-spoken appraisal of the days in which we find ourselves.
Vladimir Putin seems to invoke the highest aspirations of humans. I find myself yearning to return home to Russia (a country I do not come from) because this where the nation’s leader is engaged, without yielding or deviating, upon creating a noble home on earth. Surely the puppets in Europe must feel sickened to hear his words and reflect upon their own nation’s servitude.
I have no sense of calculation, or strategy or tactics in his words, more a sense of simplicity, a returning to the roots of the earth – the fighter looking at his hands, blessing his mother’s memory and all the good things he has been taught throughout his life, and preparing to stand from his meditations and face whatever evil should appear.
I could go on forever and say nothing here of “military” or “worldly” importance. And yet, Vladimir Putin, how is that you touch our very souls and cause us to want to follow you into any shadow of death rather than live in a world without you?
Putin’s site – President of Russia:
http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts
The money quote:
“At the same time, they present Russia with an ultimatum: either you let us destroy the part of the population that is ethnically, culturally and historically close to Russia, or we introduce sanctions against you. This is a strange logic, and absolutely unacceptable, of course.”
OK, so now we will see. I remain… pessimistic :(
If Strelkov and the rebels fall the conflict will be over.Sounds to me they are trying to frame the pro Russian militia
Saker,
Putin is up to his eyebrows in work. There is clear and present danger all around him. He has elections coming up, the fifth and sixth column wil be up to bat. An interesting interview and analysis, somebody should try and make a good translation so we cvan get an idea of why Putin gets to be Melancholy, just as Strelkov.
http://rusnod.ru/nodtv/video4370.html
Online translator apps do a good job for this Russian language site.
OK. Isn’t it bizarre when people interpret a speech completely opposite to yourself?
I thought it was a very strong speech and basically putting everyone on notice, internal and external to Russia. I agree with all of Larchmonter445’s comments. BTW, you always have excellent comments and I look for them in every thread.
So…you guys have to read this version of an interpretation, entirely opposite. They thought it was a conciliation speech by Putin. It was primarily a message for all the various factions around Putin to drop their differences and get behind disengagement in Ukraine and conciliation with the West. The article gives as much space to quoting a Fyodor Lukyanov as it does to quoting Putin himself and it can be confusing about who is being quoted. It is such crap that people cannot get the message being communicated or else deliberately change the message and pretend that’s how they understood it. A-holes!
http://news.yahoo.com/did-putin-just-bring-russia-cold-202745709.html
BTW I only found it accidently because I searched for the Brooklyn Bridge white flag story that Anonymous mentioned. That was pretty funny. Found it on Yahoo, then saw the Putin story.
I must add – what leader ever made such a guarantee as this regarding the civil rights of his citizens:
“By the way, I want to clearly state that – with the help of the civil society – we will never entertain the thought of improving our work in these areas solely by cracking down, so to speak. We will not do that under any circumstances; we will rely on civil society, first and foremost. “
I’ll be relieved for Novorussia when there are deeds behind this and not just words.
I’m trying to make sense of the latest map of the area at the time of the shoot down that the Russian Military have posted http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/
They say there were 2 other civilian airliners close by. If I understand the map correctly, the Paris to Taipei 17.24 (0368) flight appears to take a sudden very sharp turn south.
Why do you think they did that?
Deeds not words. We’ll see what Putin does. By god I hope he helps the people in the Donbass.
@03:49…
“The sanctions are coming no matter what. Russia has caused too many problems.”
Yes and no.
The sanctions game is simply the more visible ‘tip of the iceberg’ aspect of a new global phase of economic degeneration under the theme of ‘trade wars’.
The bully hegemon needs a solution to QE-mania and inaction in post-2008 systemic failure. Putin has stood up and become the focus for psyop action but the process has been going on across Latin America, Middle East, Iran, Pakistan, etc.
So, yes, the sanctions phase is coming as a new ‘cold peace’ but not because Russia is causing problems — rather because the USA and Europe have too many problems (e.g. domestic unemployment etc). The ’cause’, if there is one, is the rise of industrialisation in Asia and China in particular. In effect, it is the fall of globalisation agenda back to multi-lateral national trade agreements mode.
Why does Russia threaten the model? Even China fits the classic north-South model to some degree — i.e. raw materials from the economic south and goods/services from the economic north. Russia is one country that has both north and south capacity — hence the threat to the traditional system model. European mindsets (including the US) want to look down on Russian peseants but are increasingly forced to look up at a post-soviet entity that they cannot control and increasingly are dependant on for strategic energy etc.
Pessimist and Meezer,
Massacres of civilians were also totally unacceptable. Now they are. The way you stop a bully is through force or something that physically restrains them, such as a lack of bullets.
Larchmonter,
The problem with that is that the only way to stop a wild and crazy Ukraine from doing harmful things to Russia is force. Ten covert missions will not help that much against the ten thousand the US wants to employ. As an example, there will be a lot of refugees inside the Crimea soon. A lot of them will be working for Kiev, especially as they can reasonably say the Kremlin sold them down the river. How many destabilization attempts can be stopped? Half? The half that succeed will wreck the economy.
lordbaldric:
Deeds not words. We’ll see what Putin does. By god I hope he helps the people in the Donbass
Frankly, I’m hoping to see him help people in Odessa and Kiev.
I will say that Strelkov, Borodai, and Anjufeev did not just decide to undertake this whole enterprise on their own as a holiday. This implies they are in part acting under orders and to a preset plan.
Dear The Saker,
I respect and admire this man sooo much. He’s one of the few people in the world I would love to meet and have a chat with.
No wonder the USG was back tracking last night – too little too late….the BBC radio apparently is still twisting everything and now blaming Strelkov – boy they want him so bad – even though there is no proof – nothing about the back tracking of the USG saying its not Russia.
Let the stupid EU implode – they deserve everything coming their way, if they don’t stand up! I am sick to my back teeth of sanction talk with no facts and based on absolute lies and completely economically orientated.
I am also sick of the politicising of a tragedy – I am finding more and more unpalatable. Let the ded rip – please :(.
God bless all the countries suffering from this USG/EU/Anglo-Zionist hell.
Rgds,
Veritas
***it is extremely important for our civil society to take an active position and react to infringements on human rights and freedoms, helping to prevent radicalism and extremism.
We are particularly relying on civil society for effective help in improving the system of state governance with regard to ethnic policy and educating young people about the spirit of patriotism and responsibility for the fate of their Fatherland, which is particularly important. We discussed this in great detail recently at a meeting of the Council for Inter-ethnic Relations.
By the way, I want to clearly state that – with the help of the civil society – we will never entertain the thought of improving our work in these areas solely by cracking down, so to speak. We will not do that under any circumstances; we will rely on civil society, first and foremost.***
I think these are very important passages. I think this is not just a green light but an CALL TO ARMS to patriotic groups like NOD (national-liberation-movement). He said “it is extremely important” and “without them nothing will be possible”. This is basically what Fedorov was talking about all this time, and Putin has made things very very clear.
– Patriotic groups should provide the basis to disable colour revolution attempts (extremism/radicalsim).
– They need to force improvement of governance, no doubt this has to do with constitution reform toward full sovereignity and disabling the 5th column within the government.
– They need to continue and expand effort to educate people in patriotism.
– Without them the tasks at hand will be impossible.
By the way, I want to clearly state that – with the help of the civil society – we will never entertain the thought of improving our work in these areas solely by cracking down, so to speak. We will not do that under any circumstances; we will rely on civil society, first and foremost.
345cde interprets this as being about color revolutions. Doesn’t that make it a promise not to crack down on NGOs and other agents of subversion? Sort of like Yanukovych did not crack down? Does this seem wise? Or are we supposed to fixate on the word “solely?”
Andrew said,
“I will say that Strelkov, Borodai, and Anjufeev did not just decide to undertake this whole enterprise on their own as a holiday”
When the “specialist” Antjufeev was introduced by Strelkov & Borodai at the press conference that was a clear message sent by Putin.
Bill, thanks for raising the issue. I have looked at the passage in original and it was poorly translated. Let me present my own translation:
Original Russian: ***Кстати, здесь сразу хочу сказать, что опираясь на гражданское общество, мы никогда не допустим мысли о том, чтобы совершенствовать нашу работу во всех этих областях было позволено исключительно с целью закручивания каких-то так называемых гаек, ни в коем случае мы по этому пути не пойдём – будем опираться именно на гражданское общество, прежде всего.***
My translation: ***By the way, here I want to say this right away, that in relying on civil society, we will never allow thoughts that realizing our work in all these areas would be exclusively with the purpose of “tightening screws”, under no circumstances will we follow such a way – we will rely exactly on civil society above all.***
Bill, my interpretation is the following. Firstly, the colour revolutions are on the horizon, but things like NGOs are obviously an integral part of colour revolutions. So this part of the speech has also to be seen in the context of this threat. Putin has said that there is no direct military threat, only the threat of colour revolutions. The conference was about territorial integrity and sovereignity. And I think that this is what it’s all about. I don’t think he speaks about all this “civil society” thing in the context of “let’s all build a happy western-like democracy”.
I tihnk in the sentence that you’re concerned about Putin makes clear that he will not unilaterally attempt to dictate some kind of patriotism to his people. I think he simply means that he must be given the mandate from the people before he can make necessary changes.
I think things like NGOs are in the category of “enemies within”, they have no wide public support and Putin has showed that he is ready to deal with them, so I don’t think that there is any danger whatsoever that Putin will commit Yanukovich’s mistakes.
Anonymous, Re: Brooklyn Bridge,
That is the symbol for Brooklyn, home to Jews primarily, and I, as an ex-NYer, interpret that as a sign more powerful than an upside down US flag, which denotes “distress”. On the Brooklyn Bridge means surrender will be fought to the last man. NYC is the reservoir of American hope and aspiration. It is the most resilient, cosmopolitan city in America. It is the cultural center of the country. Over the East River, near Rikers Island where all the immigrants and refugees came, this is the liberty zone. In front of the harbor is the Statue of Liberty, but Brooklyn is the melting pot itself.
The US government has surrendered to radical Islam, nazism, Euro-Liberalism, perversion, atheism, and is in the midst of destroying its own sovereign borders along with the Rule of Law.
You can pick and choose whatever is your most important issue. But America in the hands of this government has been surrendered. That is why it is out of control as a Hegemon.
Rather, it has a demonic cult ideology that has seized power and has found a band of angels standing between it and domination of the globe and all humanity.
The Orthodox, the Russian speakers, the normal man-woman-family of Russia is the final obstacle.
Two symbols of this final resistance must be obliterated. The St. George Ribbon worn by the militia and the Orthodox Cross, emblem of faith.
Andrew said:
I will say that Strelkov, Borodai, and Anjufeev did not just decide to undertake this whole enterprise on their own as a holiday. This implies they are in part acting under orders and to a preset plan.
Absolutely, Andrew. They are Putin’s men and were sent from the get go, following Crimea. Unfortunately, opportunists pushed the timetable and war broke out before the population was readied for it. That is why the militia is primarily volunteers who do the fighting. Locals stand guard but few of the fighters are young men. Only veterans are out there with mortars and machine guns.
You and I only disagree on one thing: numbers of militia. I think it is 2500-3000, tops. If they had more, they’d have wiped out the survivors in the southern boiler. Those guys have made escapes. One group, 75-90 from the 79th were led out by lower level officer who organized the escape.
Mortars and snipers should have stopped this group. So it tells me, there are not enough fighters. Too many gaps in the cauldron trap.
Hundreds distracted by the shoot down, too.
Back, to the political structure in Donbass. Putin wants a firm territory from which to expand the war, and then, for “security”, he will break out of Crimea, cleanse Odessa, take Mariupol and launch the drive toward Kiev.
What timetable? Some of it rather soon. The rest will be post sanctions stage 3. Merkel reportedly is for turning the screws. So, German businesses will have their dicks in the vise. Let’s see how that works out with the unions. Same with the French boat builder unions. Those unions are Putin’s allies in Europe. He is their paymaster. And the EU is sticking its nose into their job security. I don’t think the sanctions will last long.
Anonymous said…
Putin is a gutless little pig with short mans syndrome. The disgusting maggot will cost many lives and then it will be America who comes and smashes his bitch ass into the depths of hell!!!
23 July, 2014 17:29
These are always of a type. Written by somebody who is trying to write below their level, often with forced spelling and grammar errors. Never any effort to justify the statement and usually totally out of synch with the thread.
I used to hire people to do this kind of posting but we’d never misunderstand the culture as badly as these guys/girls do.
Probably, like my guys these get paid so many cents per post – are there any gigs going on the Amazon Turk or Fiverr for this stuff at the moment?
As an anarchist, I don’t value any state criminals. But Putin is a SMART state criminal. Obama…ain’t.
Obama is an empty suit – or a “paperboy”, as Pepe Escobar calls him.
I once suggested the US should have a new political party – and it should run Putin for President and George Galloway for Vice-President. :-)
I do hope Putin makes more aggressive moves in the Ukraine after this speech. I suspect he will continue to keep it on the down-low, since he can’t afford to give Obama overt excuses to escalate the situation. But one hopes Putin at least ups the flow of hardware and “volunteers” to the militia, as well as direct intelligence support.
I don’t expect direct Russian military involvement, at least until the militia is nearly defeated. It’s just too risky geopolitically to invade Ukraine directly. But if the militia is near defeat, Putin is likely to act in some way to prevent that. Clearly he doesn’t want to see Kiev dominating the east and then fomenting trouble in Crimea.
We just have to wait and see.
Saker,
Please deposit this guy in the null bin:
Anonymous said…
Putin is a gutless little pig with short mans syndrome. The disgusting maggot will cost many lives and then it will be America who comes and smashes his bitch ass into the depths of hell!!!
23 July, 2014 17:29
There are a slew of Anonymous comments that are too imbecilic to include in adult conversation.
Most annoying is they confuse with other Anonymous postings of merit.
But this moron needs to go to Breitbart and Bloomberg or Yahoo.
Your blog is growing far and wide and is too relevant to be shat upon by this wanker.
dusty and Larchmonter,
Whether that angry little twit was hired or just enraged, what he’s trying to do is divert us into focusing on him. But all he’s really doing is displaying his impotence for the whole world to see, don’t you think? Every which way, I’d say — and as, ahem, a woman of a certain age, I can tell you he’s absolutely not worth the effort. ;~)
The airplane disaster and the propaganda debacle afterwards seems to be backfiring:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/04/pro-russia-trolls-ukraine-guardian-online
The newspapers publish anti resistance, pro-sanctions/NATO articles, but an overwhelming amount of comments disagree.
“At the same time, they present Russia with an ultimatum: either you let us destroy the part of the population that is ethnically, culturally and historically close to Russia, or we introduce sanctions against you. This is a strange logic, and absolutely unacceptable, of course.”
Why is it that reading/hearing any speech by Vladimir Putin feels like being at a concert, that he is speaking not just for Russia but for Rationality? It is in a way quite disturbing and I would only feel safe to confess it on a pro-Putin forum like this. Surely it is the young, black, American president who should evoke memories of the soaring speeches of Martin Luther King and John F Kennedy? But his words are flat and empty of meaning and it is this older, white, Russian, speaking a language that has to be translated for me, whose sincerity, idealism and reason reminds me of those inspirational orators of an earlier generation. Those who read only what the western media say about Putin will despise him, those who read and listen to what he says himself will be quietly inspired, while those who compare the two things will get a hint of why this man is so important and why he stands in the middle of a storm.
Don’t lose your time over Anonymous – he’s probably a govt troll and gets paid for his dribble: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/conspiracy-theory-true-agents-infiltrate-websites-intending-manipulate-deceive-and-d
But he must feel somewhat isolated here as a minority of one :-)