The US doesn’t really “need” the Kurds,except as stooges in their game. They have created (or sponsored) most of the terrorist groups operating in the MINA today. The evidence is there to see,for those willing to look (which excludes most in the West). Little by little the facts are seeping out. Now RT has a story on the ISIS head having been in US custody at the notorious Abu Gharib torture center. It should be pretty clear by now he was “turned” at that time and started to work for them after that:
Saudi Arabia has threatened that if political talks fail over Syrian crisis, they will use military force against Syrian president Bashar al-Assad.
Saudi Foreign Minister, Adel al-Jubeir, made the announcement on Tuesday after the meeting of international Syria support group finished in Vienna.
Al -Jubeir believes that they should have turned to this alternative long ago. He emphasized on a plan to intensify military support for the opponents of Bashar Al-Assad.
He added: “If the Syrian government does not respond to the treaties of the international community… we will resort to other plans.”
Remember all the hysteria just under 6 months ago that the magical madi army of 350000 Sauds was going to come marching across & over the vast deserty dunes of S.A. to attack Syria?
one of these weekends something big will go off—maybe Iran gets fed up with S.A. in Yemen, or there’s that story out today Iran sites carrying about the airlifting to camp liberty in albania 155 MKO terrists, Merkuh’s allies fully funded have been carrying out a 3-decade+ murder spree on Iranians.
But Albania is of course europe, so maybe a Soreass slush fund financing them for an op there?
if so, would explain der Panzersau’s warning to stock food & water, make that evil pig look like a virtuous seer und leiter?
The backstabbers get backstabbed . Those opportunistic Kurds were so eager to unnecessarily kill Syrian soldiers on their own land listening to whatever lies US and israel has been whispering in their ears, and go for a full, made up, “Rojava” from the meditarrean to Iraq.
US drops them instantly for a chance to get Turkey back into the fold and they (as always) end up with nothing. most certainly not even their hard earned seats in the Syrian Government and their autonomy status.
If Russia thinks she is protecting her interests of defeating IS et al abroad in Syria at the expense of allowing or co-operating with the American led coalition of NATO,Israel, the GCC, Turkey and its various CIA jihadist “moderate” mercenaries in another fake attack on IS at Syria’s expense then her defeat along with Syria’s and friends is but a matter of time as this exclusion zone with American air cover threat grows ever larger until Damascus itself will be threatened again and a puppet installed. All the effort will have been for naught. The world is waiting to see what the Resistance Block’s response to this “safe-no fly zone’ will be, whether to retreat and retrench or take the bull by the horns in repealing this invasion with anti aircraft missile batteries and the current ground forces available?
Question:
Turkey Syria and Iran are against a Kurdish state
The usa and israel are for it.
Russia is neutral would prefer that the Kurds unite with SAA against common enemy
The Kurds are stupid and have joined usa who support Turkey; Turkey wants to destroy Kurds
Turkey wants regime change in Syria
Iran and russia and Hezbollah support Syria choice etc
If Turkey attacks Syria army then her allies have the right to respond and attack Turkish forces in Syria.
The question is does Turkey want to attack Syria or just want to subdue the Kurds??
That is what I don’t know. And no one seems to have an idea of what tge turkish agenda is in Syria
That’s the problem,no one seems to know (or aren’t saying if they do) . If it was the pre-coup Erdogan,then yes they want to destroy Assad and Syria. But with the post-coup Erdogan,we can’t be sure “yet”. As far as the Kurds,both the pre and post-coup Erdogan is against them,no change there.
The chinese will be sitting on the sidelines making critiscism of how others are operating.
Then they will do business with the winner.
There big announcement was just that – words.
They are given a lot of weight – but do nothing to deserve it.
This is not am anti chinese post – it’s just an observation of how they operate.
What struck me as quite bizarre was the reported statement that the Chinese were going to train the Syrian army.
I mean here is this absolutely heroic SAA which has fought tooth and nail to defend Syria, losing thousands of men, often battling door to door, street by street, village by village, whilst the country has been reduced to rubble, for five long years to get this western backed disease out of their land – and then here’s the Chinese army, never fought a battle, never mind a war and they think they have anything to teach the Syrians?
I rather think it is the Chinese who would need training by the Syrians.
This not an anti Chinese post either in any way, but I do agree with James. Maybe they are going to surprise us all or maybe they say these things so that the Chinese people will believe heir government is actually helping the poor beleaguered people of Syria.
The tragedy is that if they wanted to, China with it’s manpower could clear Isis out of Syria very quickly.
I do not know who you are of course, but “Isabella”- I have been posting as “Isabella” across the internet for more than 5 years now, including here at the Saker since I first discovered the site.
I have, in that time, made friendships and contacts due to the expression by several people of admiration and appreciation for my writing.
One or two of those contacts are extremely valuable to me. Of course I naturally do not want these damaged by an expression of views which may well not be mine; may even be diametrically opposed to mine.
Since I was using the name here way before you – could I ask you as a matter of courtesy, not only to me but to readers, to please use a different name.
Maybe the reason the Chinese see no urgency in the situation is because – according to Sputnik – Lavrov and Kerry are “close to a Syrian peace agreement”.
So there we have it, everything is going to be fine !
A simple conversation with Turkish immigrants allows you to sense what at least a number of them think and want, which is no more and no less than the full annexation of some areas of northen Syria and northern Iraq where the inhabitants are ethnically related to them and speak Turkish or a language close to Turkish. The Turks seem convinced that these areas belong to Turkey and not to Syria and Iraq. And with the treaty of Lausanne (1923) being almost 100 years in the past, they seem to think the time is more than ripe to claim these territories for Turkey. That’s what I think is their agenda. Of course I may be wrong, but that’s by all means the impression they give me when I talk with them.
They may well think that. But any “Turks” in the regions you mention are a vast minority. And always had been. In fact a better case could be made that Turkey has land in the South East that was historically belonging to Syria and Iraq.
That includes the 2 bases in Syria Kurdistan, Rmeilan & Kobani, with Kobani featuring now a French airbase also, separate from the other.
Then the 3 in/planned for Iraqi Kurdistan by US to make a contiguous territory, with Arbil/Erbil the main big one there already in a long time ago, plus 2 others.
Coming up soon here 3 weeks to 1st anniversary of open season on Syria, which finally finally woke Putin TF up & got him involved directly.
But looking at things now, there’s no net gain at all since for Syria.
A day late (actually 4 years!) & a ruble short.
Starting from September 23, the US and its Arab allies: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates started bombing ISIS in Syria, without obtaining any authorization either from Damascus or a UN mandate.
Turkey has gone further than promised in Syria, says Moscow
August 26, 2016 KOMMERSANT
Ankara is carrying out a full-scale ground operation in Syria. This format has not been coordinated with Moscow and threatens to undermine the warming of Russian-Turkish relations.
The relations between Moscow and Ankara have been subjected to a new test. The Turkish army, with air support from the U.S.-led coalition, entered Syria on Aug. 24, starting the anti-terrorist operation Euphrates Shield, which was not coordinated with Damascus. By evening, the border town of Jarabulus had been captured from Islamic State.
The Turkish operation was approved by U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, who arrived on a visit to Ankara, while the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed deep concern. The operation in Syria, not coordinated with Moscow, threatens to complicate the process of normalization of bilateral cooperation, which was agreed in St. Petersburg on Aug. 9 by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
What is Russia’s aims in Syria? To win the war or bring about peace?
Erdogan – his support/voter voter base is islamist with similar views to AQ/ISIS foot soldiers and this support base is where Erdogan gets his power.
AQ in Syria can only function with Turkeys support – logistics ect therefore Edogan has a great deal of power over them.
The Turkish invasion of Syria – is this Erdogan taking direct control over the Islamists fighting in Syria with tacit Russian and Syrian government support? from which point on, peace can be negotiated through Erdogan rather than the Saudi “High Negotiations Committee”
This scenario of Edogan taking direct control of the islamist foot soldiers in Syria -both AQ and ISIS foot soldiers – so that Syria/Russia and Iran can then negotiate directly with Erdogan on ending the war is the only way I can make sense of what has been happening in the last few days.
You would have thought the Kurds would have realised that the US can not be trusted. But they were desperate I suppose.
The big problem, and it is something the alternative media and most of the main stream media never mention, is that these Kurds are not native to Syria, Iraq or Turkey. They are recent invaders.
The Kurds have moved north and west over the last one hundred years from their Iranian homelands, after the fall of the Ottoman empire.
All the land they claim is theirs is not Kurdish at all. It is Arab or Turkish or Armenian and has never had any connection what so ever with these Kurdish interlopers.
As a consequence no one likes or trusts them apart from the gullible western press.
When and if Al Nusra, Al Qeada and IS are finally dealt with all attention will be turned on the Kurds. They will be kicked out of Syria and Iraq and become gypsies.
In many respects the Kurds are looked upon in the same light as the US…untrustworthy interlopers who have no right to be where they are.
It’s about time the alternative media started speaking the truth about the unwanted Kurds.
They have right to live under the law of that country as much as anyone else.
What they don’t have rights to do is claim to be in charge and kick out the sovereign government of those lands.
It’s a bit like Israel, jews (who ignore the covenant – so not practising jews) were free to live in Palestine, but that didn’t make it right for a military junta to invade and exterminate the native semites since the Nakba in 1948.
Καρδούχοι (kardouchoi) ,they were called so by the Byzantines , by the ancient Greeks they were the Medes if you read history you would know that, they where there since forever, the Turks (which Turks?) came much much later form far far away.
The US doesn’t really “need” the Kurds,except as stooges in their game. They have created (or sponsored) most of the terrorist groups operating in the MINA today. The evidence is there to see,for those willing to look (which excludes most in the West). Little by little the facts are seeping out. Now RT has a story on the ISIS head having been in US custody at the notorious Abu Gharib torture center. It should be pretty clear by now he was “turned” at that time and started to work for them after that:
https://www.rt.com/usa/357222-isis-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-abu-ghraib-torture-prison/
Saudis and a farcical threat.
Saudi Arabia has threatened that if political talks fail over Syrian crisis, they will use military force against Syrian president Bashar al-Assad.
Saudi Foreign Minister, Adel al-Jubeir, made the announcement on Tuesday after the meeting of international Syria support group finished in Vienna.
Al -Jubeir believes that they should have turned to this alternative long ago. He emphasized on a plan to intensify military support for the opponents of Bashar Al-Assad.
He added: “If the Syrian government does not respond to the treaties of the international community… we will resort to other plans.”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/25/saudis-and-a-farcical-threat/
Remember all the hysteria just under 6 months ago that the magical madi army of 350000 Sauds was going to come marching across & over the vast deserty dunes of S.A. to attack Syria?
one of these weekends something big will go off—maybe Iran gets fed up with S.A. in Yemen, or there’s that story out today Iran sites carrying about the airlifting to camp liberty in albania 155 MKO terrists, Merkuh’s allies fully funded have been carrying out a 3-decade+ murder spree on Iranians.
But Albania is of course europe, so maybe a Soreass slush fund financing them for an op there?
if so, would explain der Panzersau’s warning to stock food & water, make that evil pig look like a virtuous seer und leiter?
Saudis like their masters (the US) are comfortable by dropping bombs to civilians from planes thousands of meters above.
The backstabbers get backstabbed . Those opportunistic Kurds were so eager to unnecessarily kill Syrian soldiers on their own land listening to whatever lies US and israel has been whispering in their ears, and go for a full, made up, “Rojava” from the meditarrean to Iraq.
US drops them instantly for a chance to get Turkey back into the fold and they (as always) end up with nothing. most certainly not even their hard earned seats in the Syrian Government and their autonomy status.
If Russia thinks she is protecting her interests of defeating IS et al abroad in Syria at the expense of allowing or co-operating with the American led coalition of NATO,Israel, the GCC, Turkey and its various CIA jihadist “moderate” mercenaries in another fake attack on IS at Syria’s expense then her defeat along with Syria’s and friends is but a matter of time as this exclusion zone with American air cover threat grows ever larger until Damascus itself will be threatened again and a puppet installed. All the effort will have been for naught. The world is waiting to see what the Resistance Block’s response to this “safe-no fly zone’ will be, whether to retreat and retrench or take the bull by the horns in repealing this invasion with anti aircraft missile batteries and the current ground forces available?
Question:
Turkey Syria and Iran are against a Kurdish state
The usa and israel are for it.
Russia is neutral would prefer that the Kurds unite with SAA against common enemy
The Kurds are stupid and have joined usa who support Turkey; Turkey wants to destroy Kurds
Turkey wants regime change in Syria
Iran and russia and Hezbollah support Syria choice etc
If Turkey attacks Syria army then her allies have the right to respond and attack Turkish forces in Syria.
The question is does Turkey want to attack Syria or just want to subdue the Kurds??
That is what I don’t know. And no one seems to have an idea of what tge turkish agenda is in Syria
That’s the problem,no one seems to know (or aren’t saying if they do) . If it was the pre-coup Erdogan,then yes they want to destroy Assad and Syria. But with the post-coup Erdogan,we can’t be sure “yet”. As far as the Kurds,both the pre and post-coup Erdogan is against them,no change there.
Uncle bob; You make a very good point about the “pre-coup Erdogan versus the post-coup Erdogan”!
The Kurds will always be the enemy.
It raises further questions about Erdogans motives in Syria
If he still wants regime change – how will he achieve it?
Would the USA and the Kurds unite with Turkey for regime change
And also
what parts of Syria does SAA need to secure their position so that the facts on the ground favour then?
And to add to the mix – where are the invisible Chinese in all this, especially after their big announcement last week?
The chinese will be sitting on the sidelines making critiscism of how others are operating.
Then they will do business with the winner.
There big announcement was just that – words.
They are given a lot of weight – but do nothing to deserve it.
This is not am anti chinese post – it’s just an observation of how they operate.
What struck me as quite bizarre was the reported statement that the Chinese were going to train the Syrian army.
I mean here is this absolutely heroic SAA which has fought tooth and nail to defend Syria, losing thousands of men, often battling door to door, street by street, village by village, whilst the country has been reduced to rubble, for five long years to get this western backed disease out of their land – and then here’s the Chinese army, never fought a battle, never mind a war and they think they have anything to teach the Syrians?
I rather think it is the Chinese who would need training by the Syrians.
This not an anti Chinese post either in any way, but I do agree with James. Maybe they are going to surprise us all or maybe they say these things so that the Chinese people will believe heir government is actually helping the poor beleaguered people of Syria.
The tragedy is that if they wanted to, China with it’s manpower could clear Isis out of Syria very quickly.
I do not know who you are of course, but “Isabella”- I have been posting as “Isabella” across the internet for more than 5 years now, including here at the Saker since I first discovered the site.
I have, in that time, made friendships and contacts due to the expression by several people of admiration and appreciation for my writing.
One or two of those contacts are extremely valuable to me. Of course I naturally do not want these damaged by an expression of views which may well not be mine; may even be diametrically opposed to mine.
Since I was using the name here way before you – could I ask you as a matter of courtesy, not only to me but to readers, to please use a different name.
Isabell –
Point taken and to avoid confusion I shall henceforth post using my middle name – Emily.
Thank you for your courtesy and consideration Emily. It is much appreciated. Look forward to reading your further contributions
“training” is what they say. The reality may be altogether different.
Maybe the reason the Chinese see no urgency in the situation is because – according to Sputnik – Lavrov and Kerry are “close to a Syrian peace agreement”.
So there we have it, everything is going to be fine !
A simple conversation with Turkish immigrants allows you to sense what at least a number of them think and want, which is no more and no less than the full annexation of some areas of northen Syria and northern Iraq where the inhabitants are ethnically related to them and speak Turkish or a language close to Turkish. The Turks seem convinced that these areas belong to Turkey and not to Syria and Iraq. And with the treaty of Lausanne (1923) being almost 100 years in the past, they seem to think the time is more than ripe to claim these territories for Turkey. That’s what I think is their agenda. Of course I may be wrong, but that’s by all means the impression they give me when I talk with them.
They may well think that. But any “Turks” in the regions you mention are a vast minority. And always had been. In fact a better case could be made that Turkey has land in the South East that was historically belonging to Syria and Iraq.
That includes the 2 bases in Syria Kurdistan, Rmeilan & Kobani, with Kobani featuring now a French airbase also, separate from the other.
Then the 3 in/planned for Iraqi Kurdistan by US to make a contiguous territory, with Arbil/Erbil the main big one there already in a long time ago, plus 2 others.
Coming up soon here 3 weeks to 1st anniversary of open season on Syria, which finally finally woke Putin TF up & got him involved directly.
But looking at things now, there’s no net gain at all since for Syria.
A day late (actually 4 years!) & a ruble short.
Starting from September 23, the US and its Arab allies: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates started bombing ISIS in Syria, without obtaining any authorization either from Damascus or a UN mandate.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Autonomous_Region_Kurdistan_en.png
A little something on this subject.
http://atimes.com/2016/08/joe-biden-came-saw-but-failed-to-conquer-turkey/
Turkey has gone further than promised in Syria, says Moscow
August 26, 2016 KOMMERSANT
Ankara is carrying out a full-scale ground operation in Syria. This format has not been coordinated with Moscow and threatens to undermine the warming of Russian-Turkish relations.
The relations between Moscow and Ankara have been subjected to a new test. The Turkish army, with air support from the U.S.-led coalition, entered Syria on Aug. 24, starting the anti-terrorist operation Euphrates Shield, which was not coordinated with Damascus. By evening, the border town of Jarabulus had been captured from Islamic State.
The Turkish operation was approved by U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, who arrived on a visit to Ankara, while the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed deep concern. The operation in Syria, not coordinated with Moscow, threatens to complicate the process of normalization of bilateral cooperation, which was agreed in St. Petersburg on Aug. 9 by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
http://rbth.com/international/2016/08/26/turkey-has-gone-further-than-promised-in-syria-says-moscow_624453
What is Russia’s aims in Syria? To win the war or bring about peace?
Erdogan – his support/voter voter base is islamist with similar views to AQ/ISIS foot soldiers and this support base is where Erdogan gets his power.
AQ in Syria can only function with Turkeys support – logistics ect therefore Edogan has a great deal of power over them.
The Turkish invasion of Syria – is this Erdogan taking direct control over the Islamists fighting in Syria with tacit Russian and Syrian government support? from which point on, peace can be negotiated through Erdogan rather than the Saudi “High Negotiations Committee”
This scenario of Edogan taking direct control of the islamist foot soldiers in Syria -both AQ and ISIS foot soldiers – so that Syria/Russia and Iran can then negotiate directly with Erdogan on ending the war is the only way I can make sense of what has been happening in the last few days.
You would have thought the Kurds would have realised that the US can not be trusted. But they were desperate I suppose.
The big problem, and it is something the alternative media and most of the main stream media never mention, is that these Kurds are not native to Syria, Iraq or Turkey. They are recent invaders.
The Kurds have moved north and west over the last one hundred years from their Iranian homelands, after the fall of the Ottoman empire.
All the land they claim is theirs is not Kurdish at all. It is Arab or Turkish or Armenian and has never had any connection what so ever with these Kurdish interlopers.
As a consequence no one likes or trusts them apart from the gullible western press.
When and if Al Nusra, Al Qeada and IS are finally dealt with all attention will be turned on the Kurds. They will be kicked out of Syria and Iraq and become gypsies.
In many respects the Kurds are looked upon in the same light as the US…untrustworthy interlopers who have no right to be where they are.
It’s about time the alternative media started speaking the truth about the unwanted Kurds.
By saying the Kurds have no right to SE Turkey, it seems to imply that someone else does have a right to that land.
What could grant such a right? Is it time total or just recently? Does it have to do with language? (Fwiw I can barely understand Shakespeare).
Fact is Kurds are people too, and really this is all about taxes/royalties due to either Ankara Damascus or Tehran.
Who’s your king?
They have right to live under the law of that country as much as anyone else.
What they don’t have rights to do is claim to be in charge and kick out the sovereign government of those lands.
It’s a bit like Israel, jews (who ignore the covenant – so not practising jews) were free to live in Palestine, but that didn’t make it right for a military junta to invade and exterminate the native semites since the Nakba in 1948.
Καρδούχοι (kardouchoi) ,they were called so by the Byzantines , by the ancient Greeks they were the Medes if you read history you would know that, they where there since forever, the Turks (which Turks?) came much much later form far far away.