Absolutely amazing news today. See for yourself:
Poroshenko appoints Saakashvili as governor of Odessa
Uncle Sam tries to get the Nobel Peace Prize for Poroshenko
This is so crazy as to actually be comical.
The good news is that if they have truly “gone fishing” then they are desperate.
The bad news is that these lunatics can start a war.
God help us all…
Have a great-week end everybody!
The Saker
Uncle Sam tries to get the Nobel Peace Prize for Poroshenko
Well if the present potus has one why not?
Pretty sad state.
Potus should just hand it on like a soiled diaper… it’s become tainted and worthless anyhow
Dear Saker
What do you expect? I do expect these and more. Tell me some good thing what they have done for the betterment of anything…..
Regds
Sanjay
Hey if Obama can get a Nobel, Poroschenko deserves one too !
Odessans have prepared s welcome buffet for their new Governor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWbe7jwNIMQ
May 30, 2015 Odessa! The citizens have brought to the regional Council building ties to Saakashvili!
:D Fantastic.
Very nice one. I am sure he’ll be touched . Glad to see tha there are people with a good sence of humor there. Thanks for sharing.
Since you mentioned humor.I saw some funny jokes of Russian sarcasm yesterday.A sample:
“Where’s everyone”–Poroshenko was confusedly clutching his ipone.
“Evil Russian aggressors opened the border!” –Yatsenyuk answered.
“Are we the only two left in Ukraine?”
“What do you mean, two? I’m calling from Rostov.”
-Moskals, shame, bitches, monsters, mongoloruskies, I hate you
-What, you need a gas discount?
-Yes
Felix Dzerzhinsky-Petya, I found your briefcase with money.
Poroshenko-Thank you! Where is it?
Felix Dzerzhinsky-Go to the basement.
At the rate things are going, they’ll soon write that John Kennedy was shot in 1963 by an 11-year-old pioneer named Volodya Putin.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/05/russias-week-in-humor-for-may-29-2015.html
Oh I had fun with your link on humor! Thanks for posting.
Question: do you know who is the “Karl” they refer to in the cartoons?
Hilarious! Lollipops for the sucker!
It’s not so strange in ZPC/NWO fantasyland. The zio-media and colonial regime quislings have long proclaimed tie-eater to be “Hero of Georgia” and porkshank as “Hero of Ukraine” (note: not “Hero of the Ukraine).
Maybe it’s time the Nobel peace prize should be thought of as a sign of shame, rather than praise.
Obama, the EU, Al Gore, Rabin, Kissinger, Cordell Hull, Fritz Haber… what class, what style!
Anyone endowed with a conscience would denounce their nomination for the Nobel ‘peace’ prize rather than be counted among such peace-loving ilk.
US Navy guided-missile destroyer the USS Ross (DDG 71) Entered Black Sea on May 23, 2015
http://in.sputniknews.com/russia/20150522/1014553154.html
On May 30, 2015 Immediately after reaching the Russia’s territorial waters, it proceeded in conducting the provocative maneuvers in the Russia’s territorial waters.
Russian Jets Force US Navy Destroyer Away From Territorial Waters
Read more: http://in.sputniknews.com/russia/20150530/1014653697.html
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2069931/ May 30, 2015 – In Russian
The incident comes on the same day as fugitive Georgian ex-leader Mikheil Saakashvili’s appointment as governor of Ukraine’s Black Sea-bordering Odessa region.
“The ship’s crew acted provocatively and aggressively, which caused alarm among operators of monitoring stations and Black Sea Fleet ships carrying out assignments in the Black Sea. Scrambled Su-24 attack jets demonstrated a readiness to roughly suppress border violations and defend the country’s interest,” the source said.
According to the source, Russian Black Sea Navy ships are constantly monitoring Russian territorial waters and are ready to suppress any violations.
“It seems that the Americans did not forget the April 2014 incident when one Su-24 actually shut down all equipment on the new USS Donald Cook American destroyer with anti-missile system elements,” the source added.
Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said that US missile ships near Russian borders pose a danger to strategic stability on Saturday, while at the Shangri-La Dialogue security summit in Singapore.
As for your question… For the US, War everywhere is Peace and prosperity in the USA. Everybody who is perpetuating war out there is a Shnobel Prize nominee, like Barack “Moar waaaaaar!!! ” Obama
P.S. How US And China Can Avoid A War (Spoiler Alert: The US Won’t Like It)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-29/how-us-and-china-can-avoid-war-spoiler-alert-us-wont-it
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The same gut that also wants me to think twice about JFK’s murder, 9/11, and MH17.
Why?
I don’t know.
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Who is Zero Hedge, and why should we care?
Daniel Ivandjiiski
Danny
Zerohedge posts articles from known sources and gives his opinion on them.
If you agree or disagree with his perceptions is your choice.
He is critical of the cruel racist faux state of Israel.
Is that cause for suspicion?
Conversely…
Nothing is comical.
Odessa should be taken by the Russians. It is a Russian city. It will send the message to the Balkans. I repeat this here all the time.
The Balkan countries don’t take Russia seriously. Just two days ago, Macedonia and Serbia succumbed to the US pressure and publicly gave up on “The Turkish Stream” project because they were threatened by the Americans with a new war. The Balkan countries take America seriously but not Russia, although their population is mostly pro-Russian. That is because Americans mean business and Russians obviously don’t.
Anyway, let’s be optimistic. Take Odessa !!! Take the Balkans !!!
The Wend,
Macedonia says she won’t permit Turkstream/Greekstream to cross her territory w/o EU permission. But Serbia has only said that she will permit TAP pipeline. It’s not a replacement for Turkstream/Greecestream cuz it’s too small. Europe still seems intent on forcing Russia to continue transiting gas thru Ukraine.
Russia has started laying pipe for Turkstream altho she has no contract w Turkey. Is Turkey any more reliable than Ukraine? However they are laying only one of the four pipelines, and the one can be used by Turkey alone.
Odessa will been taken (I hope soon) by Odessa people, maybe with some help by Russians.
When they will not get wages and pensions anymore, this will happen.
He wants revenge. Russia got their troops into South Ossetia fairly quickly, but this could be a bit more difficult. And US ships can be all over the port in Odessa.
So it isn’t a joke; it shows that they are sincere. They want to cause as many problems as possible for Russia.
If Russia wants to go into Odessa the Fleet will close the entrance to Odessa off first.If NATO wants to dance then that will be the end of their ships.The defenses from Crimea will tear them to pieces.
Dear The Saker,
Sadly, it is true :(. As you say the worrying thing is these idiots could start WW3. Apparently Kerry is also being put forward for the NPP. It is an utter joke!
Looks like the US is trying to be provocative in the Black Sea again:
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150530/1022751505.html
Rgds,
Veritas
some good news for a change http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32950173
Perhaps Hitler can be awarded a posthumous Nobel Peace Prize too!
Why doesn’t Poroshenko submit a recommendation?
Perhaps the Nobel Committee would like to do the ceremony in one of the Candy King’s Kiev ‘Presidential’ mansions?
Remember, the face of what we are seeing in the Ukraine is not the CEO of the local sugar distribution system (Chocolates) — he is also the emerging face of Chile’s Pinochet. The regime is already ‘disappearing’ civilians into the conscript army/militia.
For what? A Bankrupt’s war on his major Creditor?
Surely, this is the Age of Political Surrealism!
LOL! that would be logical
No, that would not be logical. People that tried to kill the bank only get demoted.
Regarding Hitler, there actually was support for his nomination for the Nobel “Peace” Prize — in the very year of 1939 at that. Erik Brandt, a Swedish Social Democratic MP, put forward this idea openly. There is some controversy as to whether this was sincere or an act of intentional ridicule levelled at the possible nomination of Britain’s Neville Chamberlain. However, the latter view seems far-fetched. Western European Social Democracy was very fiendish to any initiatives against Fascism in the 1930ies, as the hapless Spaniards were to find out (to say nothing of the subjugated, brutalized peoples in Europe’s colonies at the time).
Hitler was never awarded the Nobel “Peace” Prize. However, he should have been pleased to hear that some of Nazi Germany’s top brass finally could continue their military careers in NATO a mere 10 years after the Führer’s death.
Pentagon admits 24 US labs, 2 foreign states received live anthrax shipments
The Pentagon has revised the number of instances in which live anthrax samples have “accidentally” been shipped both across US and abroad, and has announced a comprehensive review into the poor handling of the deadly bacteria.
Earlier this week it was revealed that US Army’s Dugway Proving Ground in Utah had shipped live anthrax to labs in nine states, and to a US military base in South Korea.
With the new discoveries, the Pentagon is urging all those who received such shipments to stop working with those samples, until further notice from the US authorities. The shipment of supposedly deactivated anthrax specimens reportedly began in March 2014 and continued through April 2015. These samples were mistakenly marked inactive.
“We already know that more labs and more lots of inactivation failures with anthrax spores are being identified,” Daniel Sosin, deputy director of CDC’s Office of Public Health Preparedness and Response, wrote in the email to state officials, USA Today quotes.
The technicians dealing with anthrax not only failed to “inactivate a sample,” but it was followed by a “failure to confirm inactivation before shipping the sample,” which was then followed by a “failure to confirm inactivation upon receiving the sample,” Richard H Ebright, professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told the Guardian in an email.
The professor claimed that such cases occur regularly, referring to similar shipments of live anthrax bacteria in 2006 and 2014. The scientific community has welcomed the review of procedures which would hopefully allow avoiding such chains of failures in future.
US Department of Defense to Review Anthrax Inactivating Protocols
On Thursday, CDC spokesperson Jason McDonald told Sputnik that four individuals have been asked to take antibiotics as a precautionary measure regarding the accidental shipment of anthrax.
The question that arises is why would the army of “false flags R us” be sending anthrax to bases in South Korea?
Just out of interest.How many readers here have experienced pulmonary/lung problems in the last two months? Something that was difficult to shake off,and laid them very low?
Vitamin D, Vitamin D, Vitamin D, Colloidal Silver, NAC, raw organic fresh vegetable juices, Vitamin C and A, Chlorella and Spirulina, and dried organic Cilantro will get your lungs back. And lots of purified water. Been there done that. And don’t go outside. Chemtrails are no joke.
Anonymous, Yeah, I’m sick of chemtrails. We had a heavy rain about 10 days back. Atferward the sky was so blue, just like I remembered the sky is supposed to look. I expected the chemtrailing airplanes the next morning to make it all dismal again– but they must have been short-staffed, cuz no one showed up. So we had an entire day of the most beautiful blue sky w great big flufly white clouds.
Of course they came the following morning and we’ve had the usual dismal gray-pale blue ever since. But at least we had one day of normality.
Hard to believe we can’t even find out who is doing this.
Some speculate that heavy industry is socializing the dispersal of industrial pollutants through the air in a similar manner that industrial flouride is dumped into drinking water to disperse it because it is illegal to directly dump these chemicals into lakes and streams. That makes sense. It’s all about money.
Reality as a farce — although no one laugh.
In fact, it’s so close to the edge that large parts of the globe (and especially the Global North) risk being sent back to the Stone Age in a mighty series of global flashes the echoed with the old Tales of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Add to the other traditional ‘End (of cycle) Times’ impressions we see.
Indeed “History repeats … first as tragedy, then as farce” (Marx)
Very sad news! Think of the abuses the people of odessa will have to endure from this criminal idiot.
But why Odessa did not join the fight with Dombass?
On May 2 (last year): 36 Odessans were burned to death inside their Trade Union Building, or beaten to death trying to jump to escape the fire. And maybe 100 others were in the basement, that nobody has seen since but their bodies not seen either. Most of the survivors were arrested and some are still facing the courts now.
They were not really organised to join a full-scale war right then. Since then a brigade of Azov (Right Sector) goons have been stationed there as the official police , and people get arrested daily on any suspicion. The most they can do, right now, is throw ties for the new Governor to eat, or the occasional graffiti.
They have to lie low and try to minimise the abuses, until someone gets a chance to rescue them.
As they are lying low and staying out of trouble, they have plenty of time to do a lot of thinking. By now, the majority of Ukrainians may be thinking that their independence is an utterly failed experiment, and the ultimate rescue is returning to the safety and stability of Mother Russia through referendum. Ultra-nationalism is completely discrediting itself to its own people. Nationalism has turned into a real wet blanket of misery and mayhem. But the United States is not in the habit of looking at the long ball when it comes to stirring up chaos.
The people who have resisted and fought have been murdered, tortured and disappeared. In all the cities we may think should arise, there are thousands of nazis and special contractors to control any uprising.
It will take a major effort to free the major cities. Moscow is not ready for that part of the campaign to neutralize Ukraine.
It will be a terrible and costly, first in lives then economically, idea for Russia to take sympathetic portions of ukraine. The further development and stregnthening of Russian military, which has the empire and its fully occupied vassals crapping their pants, the manufacturing and technology sectors in order to redirect their economy from one dependent on export of natural resources to one which is less dependent on the import of major goods and technology by home growing and the export of resources. A more self sufficient economy that will benefit the nation and its citizens. That also creates an impediment to capital flight. To do so, Russia needs not the sort of economic drain which would result upon absorbing more of what is now a failed and bankrupted state. The idea of a ukraine completely subordinate to the dictates of the “empire of chaos” and the dark and evil forces they worship has passed. Ukraine’s collapse is immenent. I just hope it dissolves without triggering an out of control conflict.
They will soon propose Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize (post mortem)…
A way to remove previous governor Palitsa.
Palitsa’s boss thought that this is because Poroshenko did not like a recent joke mocking him and making him look a lot like Yanukovich
http://www.rossiarusskie.biz/2015/05/kolomojskij-nadrugalsja-nad-prezidentom.html?m=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKSxL7kEzCk
More ties are here:
http://www.e-news.su/society/60680-po-vsey-odesse-razvesili-galstuki-dlya-mishi.html
Hi Saker, what is the problem?
This is completely consistent with previous behaviours, is it not?
Stay tune for the next “joke”, sorry, the next news.
yeah, Lion pretty consistent with their former behavior – but so “n-cube” elevated in comparison that soon as I read it had to hold & grab my belly strongly to keep from a laugh led muscle overstretching.
No it isn’t a joke unfortunately. They are attempting to create their own reality on the ground and rewrite history, as he who controls history also controls the narrative of the future.
There is a much overlooked article in Sputnik International which I feel sums up the situation and cuts to the bottom line and I urge people to read it as this is the only solution left for the world :
“Blum to Sputnik: World Should Deliver Strong Military Blow to US”
The full article can be read here :
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150527/1022588691.html
The author sums up with the following and I couldn’t agree more :
“Asked about his views on the EU’s involvement there, Blum did not mince words: “The EU has been used by Washington in its new cold war against Russia,” he said, suggesting that the Union needs more “backbone to stand up to the US.”
“The US has to lose its obsession with world domination,” Blum said. “There’s nothing the rest of the world can do except join together and deliver a strong military blow to the US.”
This is the stark reality facing Russia, China, Iran, Iraq, India, North Korea, the latin Americas, etc.
William Blum is a very important voice. He is never overlooked or ignored by me. I hope that he will gain more and more dedicated readers — and soon.
the only problem of trying to “delivery military blow” the the US is that it could well lead us back to the stone age. OTOH, it’s probably still better than being “second-class” humans or worse!
Agree. The US must be defeated..on all fronts.That is the war going on now.
According to a german newspaper (part of the embedded press in Germany) the Saakashvili-Odessa-story is true. [1] As it is quote’s AFP, AP and German Press Agency to be some of the sources, I think, this is rather not a joke.
I am shocked as well!
[1] http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-05/michail-saakaschwili-georgien-ex-praesident-gouverneur-odessa
And this is how they get this way.
Post with pictures and videos, showing indoctrination at Technical university in Ivano-Frankivsk. If they don’t march they don’t get their diploma.
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/posts/1653220771567935
That’s not a surprise in Ivano-Frankivsk.That is one of the Bandera West Ukraine strongholds.They will need serious measures of de-nazification during and after the war.
Why are you surprised? Saakashvili has a distinguished record of starting wars against Russia. And as for the Nobel Peace Prize, after they gave it to Kissinger and Obama, I can’t think of a more appropriate recipient than Poroshenko. Hitler and Pol Pot would be serious competition, but they are dead.
The Georgian tie-eater will be watching Odessa go the way of South Ossetia.
Someone to blame for the catastrophe as the polite green men free Ukraine from the criminals, crazies and corrupt.
It is inevitable that such a Cuckoo’s Nest in Kiev will separate totally from reality.
Yats, the Scientologist/Jew/Puppet was the first (Prime Minister, after all).
Porky, blessed by the Lords of Democracy, cavorts as Death Minister, joyful at killing children with their mothers (scientifically targeted for his artillery by the good souls of the US military).
You could not find anything comparable in fiction or comic books. An entire national government and its “people” of 35 million drenched in blood and body parts as their national pastime and only means of income. (They are paid billions for this macabre mayhem, war crimes and inhumanity.)
So, the circus is complete. Saakashavili is the perfect clown. He will look great swinging from a lamppost or tree in Odessa.
These things end with a revulsion that often stuns and surprises.
And because nature always adjusts the bizarre, the unnatural, this will be a violent cleansing of all this Ukie horror.
Given the Norwegian committee´s record so far, i believe they could (and would if the US says so) outdo this bid by giving the peace prize directly to Bandera instead, posthumously.
Anything can be politically motivated. Ask the inferiority complexed Norwegians…
Norway’s society is disintegrating. Most of the Scandinavian experiment in Liberalism is collapsing under the pressure of immigration, terrorism, Brussels and NATO.
The core of their culture is gone.
Norway — the wondrous country of Vidkun Quisling, Anders Behring Breivik, The Honourable Nobel “Peace” Price Committee, and a founding NATO member country currently occupying aforesaid organizaton’s post of Secretary General.
As a manifest Norwegian Zionazi, Breivik would indeed be a dead certain bet at least as “Peace” Price nominee had he only been smart enough to select lesser peoples abroad for his passions, courtesy of NATO. Breivik shows clearly the level of urgency for the Western elites to export the West’s inbred offal to their killing fields around the world to preserve social peace at home.
Breivik, however committed to “Jewropean values”, didn’t bother too much about the well-being of Big Business. That won’t do for nomination in the subsidiary “Peace” business, mind you.
““It seems that the Americans did not forget the April 2014 incident when one Su-24 actually shut down all equipment on the new USS Donald Cook American destroyer with anti-missile system elements,” the source added.”
There you have it. A Russian confirmation on what happened to the puffs on USS/Donald Duck and their “invincible” bathtub.
Here´s more (eng.subs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5VJ12QVxA
Perhaps Russia will agree to write off $10bn of Ukrainian debt in exchange for loosening the blockade for a few months.
He does not think they are worth feeding.
“On the 29th of May, 2015, speaking to workers at a Kramatorsk machine tool works, Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko alleged that he didn’t want to continue fighting.
“I’m sure that no one wants war. I hope that the other side didn’t want war either. Adventurers, vagabonds, and the godless, that is, parasites, want war; they were nobodies before they started handing out guns, and no one would need them if peace came. Without guns, nobody needs them, for they don’t know how to work or earn a living. They know how to pillage and kill. Neither side really needs them. No one really needs them, except Ukraine. Russia doesn’t need them, and they can’t feed themselves. They’re irresponsible to the elderly, children, teachers, and graduates. Their country is hopeless. If you want to see what’ll happen, look at Transnistria, Abkhazia, Ossetia, and other parts of the Russian world, which for decades condemned people to a terrible existence. I’m in favour of holding fair local elections in the Donbass, so the people’s representatives rule it, not frauds, looters, bandits, and warlords,” – Poroshenko said.”
http://dnr-news.com/dnr/20917-poroshenko-dnr-strana-besperspektivnaya.html
note he said this at Kramatorsk one of the first towns liberated last May (later lost again). So he is telling the people that they themselves are worthless.
And saying they don’t know how to work, about the area which , being 8% of the country’s area, used to make 26% of its exports.
Hanging from lamp post is way way too good for this guy.
Depends on what he is hung from — not from his neck. The Nazis have much to teach about these things.
While I have little doubt some of the junta leaders will escape West.It is important that they be tracked to their new lairs in the West and retribution administered to them.The West won’t like it at all,but that is totally unimportant.They will need to learn that justice will be served to them whichever rock they hide under.And the West needs to worry hope and pray,the campaign of retribution doesn’t get expanded to include the junta’s foreign backers.As in the old Christmas poem,the NAF needs to be “making a list,and checking it twice.To see who’s been naughty and nice”.Then deliver more than a bag of coal to the naughty on the list.
Maybe Poro has put him in a place where he at risk deliberately or as some kind of “catalyset” so if anything “happens” then martial law can be declared….locals can be mass rounded up on any excuse…..or any reinforcements sbu armed etc an be brought in….orr Georgians can find him…..never exclude deviousness?????
I’m not sure the Nobel letter is genuine–for starters, it uses the US formatting for the date which I wouldn’t expect from a European (Ukrainian or otherwise). Now, I certainly wouldn’t be shocked at that level of stupidity from the US but I want more verification before accepting this as authentic.
As for Saakashvili, I guess McCain has to be kicking himself right now–if only he’d accepted his post as adviser to Poroshenko he could be a “real” governor now! I feel for the citizens of Odessa.
They have dozens if not hundreds of Americans working there. Trustworthy CIA types. They just get given the letter to sign, maybe not even knowing what it says..
Laughable, but so was the Austrian corporal. Not long ago the personality disordered tie-eater was stating that, with the right help, Ukraine could and should overthrow Russia. Ignoring the fact that nothing would be left on earth, that is just about technically possible.
However, in that scenario Ukraine would be merely a bit player/staging ground and consequently inheriting nothing -assuming there was anything livable left. Any other notion of grandeur is pure delusion.
… for the correct political solution (not a politically correct solution). Too much is too much.
Putin wants a political solution. Lavrov keeps stressing that. War is a continuation of politics by other means ( http://www.clausewitz.com/ ) – so it behooves the Kremlin to continue politics. Millions of people (including Odessa’s and Novorussian) are eagerly awaiting it. The entire Russian and other nations were once thus saved by Stalin’s politics, The Great Patriotic War.
Consider that a Clinton and a Bush are running for the POTUS and you can see they have reached the bottom of the barrel . One might be inclined to interject to try and convince them from such errors but I say have at it . The sooner this Titanic sinks the better .True that there will be some innocent lives lost but to continue rearranging the deck chairs at this point in time is useless .
You cant fix that which is broke and trust me ,it’s been broken for some time now . Time to move on and focus on our new world order and not their’s …peace and God bless to all
Yes, that’s democracy for you.
Oh, I forgot, “US is not a *real* democracy”….
Saker, you are just allowing Porky’s suit to influence you. He looks much more peace-loving in his fat-battle-camouflage gear.
I am reminded of something that Lech Walesa wrote while he was still pretending to be an actual patriot. He said, (paraphrase):
When we saw a sign in the window “We support the (Russian occupation) government.” it did not mean that the store owner supported it, nor did anyone think it did. It meant merely, “I am afraid.”
Similarly, Norway could communicate much more efficiently than by giving Porky the Nobel Peace Prize. They should just put up a big poster: “WE SURRENDER.”
Can anyone credibily confirm that Yeltsin was working for the US Government, either from the beginning or while President?
Short answer,no! Long answer,Yeltsin saw that his personal power and wealth could only continue to exist if he sided with the West.Those against the West were also against him.So he was left with supporting the West to keep the pro-Western elements as his only allies. Its a fact that in many countries traitorous leaders put their personal benefit ahead of their countries welfare.Yeltsin easily fits that situation.He may have actually been in the pay of the Empire.But I haven’t seen any hard evidence.I just consider him a traitorous drunk,and buffoon.Who betrayed Russia for his personal enrichment.
He was NOT after his personal wealth.
But he allowed it for tactical reasons for his political allies. –That ended up creating oligarchy.
He never worked for US Government, this is total BS. But he used American consultants, on finance and reelection maters, –and did not sufficiently appreciate how that can go wrong.
let us forget lamp posts
The local small executioners, kidnappers, rapists — they end up on lamp posts usually. Properly tried and convicted by the local knowledge of their victims/survivors. The danger is, the others then go to ground, melt back into being civilian, or leave the country.
The big ones, disgustingly, are usually welcome in many other places, and can afford to get there. So arresting them somehow is the first step. Lamp post is personal revenge, for those who do it, but unfairly depriving everyone else. A distant foreign war crimes trial is no revenge or consolation for anyone. BOTH these methods also set up la MARTYR for the gone-to-ground like minded followers.
What they need to do, which will hurt them tremendously, is TELL THE TRUTH in public. On live television (in some cases on their own TV channels) asked simple questions…. quote when they said this or that and ask them to explain why they wanted to kill children, stop food deliveries, kill their own soldiers etc. The lot. Bring evidence for things like deliberately shelling schools. Over days if necessary, keep at them (politely) until they admit it. . THIS is the best way to show the whole country how they were fooled, what lies they were told. If they admit to who advised them, so much better.
Let people vote by SMS if they believe them, and “Sorry, 80% of the vote says that’s BS, please answer that question a bit better”.
Problem with a trial is, they get high paid lawyers and try to deny everything. What the whole world needs from them is the truth.
Some of them will die in the fighting,some will commit suicide.Some will be caught and hung,or put in front of a firing squad.The lessor ones will hide out,escape,or get prison terms.And as you said some of the leaders will escape to the West.I agree with you on the trials on TV.I think they should be tried and if found guilty, and if the death sentence is passed, it should be a standing death sentence.Ordered by the court to be carried out wherever the guilty are hiding,and are found.And it should be proclaimed right on TV for the whole World to hear.Other countries,and the guilty should know that those are not safe from justice in any hiding place they are in.And that those hiding them risk the necessity of the sentence being carried out (without doubt) in their countries.War is war,and retribution is retribution.Others must understand its best for them to not hide murderers.The fate of Bandera should be for his modern heirs as well.
I was not thinking of a televised trial. They are boring, they drag on and on, they have lawyers twisting things and objecting. And the prosecution has to prove things. And it ends up with an executed martyr for all those who believe the court was unjust or the evidence fake.
I was thinking more a public (but safely via TV, maybe selected people could come in person, where the defendant is politely questioned until he ADMITS IT HIMSELF. In other words until he SEES what he did wrong. Which means all his previous supporters would see it. Not the rabid ones perhaps, but all the people brainwashed or scarred into agreement.
“They were not terrorists, they were our own people. We were afraid they would always vote against us and ruin the EU dream. We wanted to scare them and starve them into going away. For OUR greed not because they did something wrong. They were our best workers. But the EU dream didn’t need industrial workers. I was sorry for them, I tried to save as many as possible, I thought if we shelled the schools they would all run away and less of them would die”. That sort of thing. But in fine detail, matched with their own statements. Why they censored the media. Why they disappeared so many people including non-separatists. The truth about Maidan and Odessa.
The ones who still want to spout hate ad “subhumans”? same thing. They have to admit they killed and tortured on purpose.
Let the people vote what to do with them. I’m not much in favour of the death penalty. Especially not purge-=style for hundreds, as this would have to be if you go that way. Revenge killing is murder. Their deaths don’t bring back our dead.Just puts blood on our hands. (Different the ones who will never come to justice unless it’s done privately).
All money and assets to be frozen on day one somehow though. There is enough there to get a new country going without loans.
Anyway the prime aim is to make them openly admit the lies and how they did it and why, to UNBRAINWASH everyone else. THEN the people can sit down to work out what they really want for their children…. tyranny or co-operation, poverty or well-being. Enshrine some rights into a constitution that takes a referendum to change.
That’s right: shun them! Shun them until they are reduced to begging a dishwasher job in a back alley somewhere, not sure they understand what is said, and wondering if you’re going to eat today. Who knows? They might even redeem themselves.
Would someone please tell me what is being said in this video regarding the deaths of civilians in Gorlovka (Horlivka), especially what looks like the commander (accused?) from 2 mins 40 onwards. And regarding the allegation it came from less than 20 kms away? The OSCE quoted the Ukrainian Armed Forces Major General, head of the Ukrainian side to the Joint Centre for Control and Coordination as blaming the Donbass military – well he would, wouldn’t he?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0idQa1z9TAs&feature=youtu.be
Has everybody hear about the impending false flag chlorine gas attack? Seems US has flown in the chemicals, using a legitimate Ukrainian chem factory.
5/29/15 http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150529/1022725555.html Kiev/US preparing chemical weapons.
http://newrussia.press/military/fights-in-donbass-29-05-2015/ same topic
That’s all there is — all stories go back to quoting Basurin. The Army fired the regular workers so of course they got word out…… hope none of them get arrested for it.
Both republics always announce it if they see some provocation being planned. Once they announce it, it won’t work. They could still do it, to do the damage, but they won’t be able to pin it on NAF because they’ve already warned of it. It’s a safe bet people are watching out for what comes out of that place too, and where it goes.
It would be extremely good to capture some of those chemicals, and ideally a few of the mercenaries with it. They should avoid trying to set fire to it as a chlorine fire just spreads the fumes.
Bernard-Henri Levy(BHL Promaidan) entarté par Noël Godin à Namur,Belgium (photos)
http://www.lanouvellegazette.be/1299344/article/2015-05-30/bernard-henri-levy-entarte-par-noel-godin-a-namur-photos
Beau travail! Je propose l’utilisation de l’acide chlorhydrique pour la prochaine fois. Qu’en pensez-vous?
BHL = Bourgeois Hébreu Lézard
You know of course that the FIFA election didn’t proceed until the Palestinians agreed to rescind their request for a vote on the expulsion of Israel.
Penelope
Of course. The whole American “corruption investigation” was simply to intimidate the FIFA officials. An unstated “mafia threat” of the “vote out Israel and we go after you next” sort. The Americans, being what they are, make ideal proxies for Israeli interests.
As I see it,there are three major flash points where the Empire is pushing hard.And two others where they are probing for weak spots to push on.The Ukraine crisis,the Syrian/MENA wars,and the South China Sea,are the three.And the Balkans and Central Asia,the other two.These aren’t really separate crisis,where we can “win one,and lose one”.They are cases where we need to not lose one any of them.No matter what it takes.The first two are full blown killing fields,the third has potential to become one.And the last two are in rotation to spark up into killing fields.Russia,China,and in two cases Iran,need to join forces to end these plots to start WW3.
For crisis one,we know what it takes to win that one,the destruction of the junta.And the liberation of the former Ukraine.It will be hard.Russia will have to suffer the aftermath of sanctions and vilification from the West.But it has to be that way.The results from losing in that crisis are far worse.Crisis two,is one of the worse.And one where Iran must play a key roll.The ISIS terrorists must be destroyed in Syria and Iraq.Iran,Russia,and China must become their destroyers.With Iran, in Iraq at least, providing much of the muscle for that.Crisis three,means that China must just be China.Its not really a question of how China should react.I strongly doubt that China will kneel to the US over this crisis.I fully expect China will stand firm even if shooting breaks out.Russia needs to play the part of the peacemaker here.While also clearly letting the US know that her military power is firmly behind China if its needed. The two potential,in waiting,crisis are different.The Balkan one needs to be dealt with by postponement if possible.At present Russia doesn’t have a firm response open to her.Geography plays a bad role there.But in Central Asia its totally different.That potential crisis needs to be dealt with firmly and quickly.Russia,China,and Iran,hold all the cards there if they are willing to use them.Those countries,some friendly to Russia,some not.All depend on one or all three of our trio to survive.The three must make a join effort to clean-up the pro-West and terrorist elements there.And return stability to the region.While eliminating any and all influence the West had there.
I know that we here have a fair grasp of events, past and present,in the former Ukraine.But seriously,is it really possible,that even those in the West that might know little of Ukraine.Could even contemplate someone like Poroshenko being a Nobel Peace Prize winner (or even candidate). Really? Seriously?
As to Saaska,that,while surprising me,doesn’t shock me.His story won’t be over until he is on a gallows or in front of a firing squad.Until then,lets not be surprised.
I read someone (fascist terror group?) blew up a Roshen candy store in Kiev. Ooops! A “subtle” message for Poroshenko possibly?
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-state-is-collapsing-and-now-its_30.html
I’m now calling it the Noborwell Prize. But at least Obama got his BEFORE he proved himself to be a bloodthirsty war criminal, if I’m not mistaken, although many knew he would be just that as Commander War Criminal In Chief. But pushing Porky as a nominee, yeah, that’s beyond my ability to describe in words.
Perhaps its an exercise to see how far they can push it.
“How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me,
Thats why I love mankind”.
Georgia says sorry
Head of the Parliamentary majority in Georgia, Davit Saganelidze , said at a press conference
“”I express the friendly Ukraine and especially the residents of Odessa region heartfelt sympathy. Appointments in Ukraine – it is the prerogative of the authorities, but in this case, just say my opinion: this assignment – a mistake of the Ukrainian authorities “,
Saganelidze said, “the people of Georgia was convinced that he (Saakashvili) was not able to benefit the country.” “I think that the people of Ukraine should make sure that Saakashvili will not be able to benefit from their country,” –
more in Russian at http://rusvesna.su/news/1433013235
What Saganelidze said was wonderful.
Now I believe that Russian military should force Saakashvili to eat another tie.
Givi made a few Right Sector types eat their “ukrop” (dill) badges, so the precedent is there.
Here are some of the marketing phrases the buggered zio-scum at afp are using to sell tie-eater’s new job for zionazi-nazi inc.
Poroshenko made the announcement at a televised event in the Black Sea port alongside the reformist Saakashvili, calling the ex-Georgian president a “great friend of Ukraine”.
The controversial announcement of the flamboyant Saakashvili as head of the southern coastal region is a pointed signal from Kiev to Moscow that it remains set on its pro-European course despite a bloody separatist conflict in the east blamed on the Kremlin.
“Our main aim is to leave behind the artificial conflicts that have been artificially imposed on this amazing society,” Saakashvili said after his appointment.
During his time at the helm in Georgia, Saakashvili, 47, became an arch-nemesis of the Russian leadership as he dragged his tiny ex-Soviet homeland out of Moscow’s orbit and closer to the West after taking power in a popular revolution in 2003.
Russian officials have already lashed out at the appointment as rumours swirled ahead of the official announcement.
But a string of unexplained explosions targeting pro-Ukrainian groups has stirred fear that Moscow could be trying to stoke unrest in the country’s largest port, which lies around 200 kilometres (125 miles) west of the Crimea peninsula seized by Russia last year.
Poroshenko has already appointed pro-Western reformers from abroad to key positions in a bid to help him push through vitally needed reforms to bolster his crisis-hit nation.
And near the end of the advert, the zios reach the killa conclusion of this toss that the goy marks are supposed to absorb into their zombiefied heads:
“Saakashvili is quite a well known politician of worldwide renown,” said analyst Taras Berezovets told AFP. “It will be very difficult to criticise the president for this move.”
The zio-run western media has become a “Frankenstein’s” monster, melding the extreme absurdities of Goebbels “lie about everything” mantra, with a presentation style delivered by the sort of adolescent mentality exhibited by obnoxious NY drama queens.
While the video showing tie-eater eating his tie is an all time classic, this one, though, is my favourite tie-eater video:
War in Georgia: Saakashvili is scared by noise that seemed to be a russian airplane and run away in panic :-)
I remember seeing a version with English subtitles at the time, which made it even funnier. The “wee little man” is completely overcome by panic as he hallucinates he is being personally hunted down by a Russian plane. His bodyguards obviously think that he’s completely flipped and are unsure what to do. They try to comfort him like one would a straightjacket candidate. :D
Given his cowardice, I find it strange he still remains in eastern Europe and has not found a safe rock to hide under in the USA. The sod must be completely delusional thinking he’s safe where he is.
concerning the Georgian deportee turned Odessa “governor”:
What is Putin going to *do* about it?
A bet: Putin will immediately send him congratulations, an expensive Ω watch from his own collection as a gift, and shake his hand at Minsk 3.
I wonder what the websayanim reaction will be when it comes out that McCain and Netanyahu have been lovers for years? ;D
McCain and Netanyahu? But that’s impossible, McCain is a goy, parents wouldn’t approve!
At any rate, what’s that to do about the Putin & Saakashvili personal relationship? Explain.
Perhaps, possibly, …. Putin just might view this “assignment” of the tie- eater as a “good thing” seeing as he would likely perform just as admirably as he did during crisis of South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
Do Ya think?
Christine
I have also read these rumours.
Of course Barak the obamunist has a nobel peace award, which is most certainly not deserved..
If the Saker, the eternal optimist, says they can start a war, then I am really worried.
Because Turkey guards the Bosporus which is the entrance to the Black sea, and has deals with Russia but just helped ISIS a bit, it is interesting to remember Turkey elections in 7 days
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21652265-foreign-policy-hubristic-disaster-and-economy-slide-wont-stop
Very west-oriented article, being the Economist, but sums up the main points, if you eat them with salt. Erdogan is planning to change the constitutions to give himself more power (a la Putin) if he wins enough seats, but they don’t seem to think that’s a bad thing (yet).
He chops and changes a lot, which way will he go when he wins?
Well, Obama wins the Nobel, so, its a old joke anyway…
And about the Odessa “Governator” the really simple question is: why Rússia dont eliminate him yet? I am serious here.
It is absolutely appropriate that America has nominated Poroshenko for the Nobel Propaganda Prize.
After all, Barack “Predator Drone” Obama has won this prize, and not long thereafter launched America’a latest criminal war of aggression against Libya to overthrow Muammar Quadafi and plunge that nation into sectarian chaos–resulting in the deaths of thousands, and turning tens of htousands of more Libyan into refugees fleeing to Europe.
This is not to mention Obama continuing America’s bogus War on Terrorism, its covert war against Syria through American backed Islamic fanatics, serial drone bombing, and US military provocations against Russia and China.
If that resume is not worthy of the Nobel Propaganda Prize, nothing is.
Poroshenko is a choir boy compared to American regime leaders.
Another insanity: Karl-Georg Wellman was blacklisted from entering Russia (supposedly by leading Russians) until 2019 and from meeting with powerful Moscow insider , Putin intimate Sergei Glazyev and others so there is no meaningful open dialog between powerful leaders of Russia and the European Union leaders debating the future of Ukraine, as by 2019 the US expects Ukraine will be US/UK sealed off from Russia permanently by then. The US considers the future of Ukraine must remain only in Washington’s hands and bomb sights.
I think this goes well in here, on how the German press is reporting on Russia. A short Interfax news bulletin of a statement by Moscow City officials that there are no plans to organise an “Oktoberfest” there, was reported unison in German newspapers: Moscow outlaws “Oktoberfest” as anti-Russian!
See the original here:
http://www.interfax.ru/moscow/441439
(in Russian)
And what the German press made of it:
http://www.bildblog.de/64953/die-antirussische-ente-vom-verbotenen-oktoberfest/
(in German )
The true value of the once prestigious Nobel Prize has been revelead by it’s give away to Obama for nothing. That’s exactly what Nobel Prize has been since then – worthless nothing.
I believe this fellow started a ‘war’ with Russia once before and now he is in the City of Odessa. I always understood Odessa to be a Russian city….this will end badly for this fellow.He is already a fugitive from justice. Seems like the junta in Kiev is scrapping the bottom of the barrel of criminals, gangsters and USA lacky’s?
It’s “The Onion”,
The Nobel Prize money derives from military weapons and dynamite manufacturing. Alfred Nobel bought the majority in the Bofors company in Sweden and started production of advanced cannons. He also invented the smokeless gunpowder which made it easier to get a clear view over the battlefields. Dynamite is the most well known of hi inventions. Nobody knows the number of people killed by Nobel´s weapons, but today the brand Nobel is associated with peace.
What? Obama doesn’t get a second one?
So what ! Obombomb got the nobel prize. I suggest the prize to ISIS once for all. All schmuks will be satisfied.