by Fred Reed for the Saker blog
Writing about evolution is likely an expression of literary masochism, but has its rewards. The difficulties are several. For one thing, for many people belief in evolution indicates to them that they are not of the unwashed, but rather one with advanced thinkers. For another, most people accept nature-show evolution in which in a sort of biological Coeueism: we are getting better and better, when in fact evolution says no such thing, but rather that organisms become progressively better adapted to their environments, making tapeworms, cockroaches, and perhaps politicians pinnacles of successful evolution. Further, many questions involved the Cambrian and Ediacaran fauna, developmental gene regulatory networks, the mathematics of multiple simultaneous mutations, and so on, which few have studied.
When faced with questions, the faithful do not answer. Instead they respond with lofty silence, or hauteur and harrumphing, or assertions of authority. These variations on squirming amuse me, so I ask questions. I am doubtless a bad person.
But the Darwinists don’t answer. When doubters among mathematicians and biochemists express doubts they are likely to be fired for bio deviationism. They don’t get answers either.
Why?
Many people need overarching explanations to provide a sense of security in a world that doesn’t make much sense. To protect these beliefs they accept contradictions and logical lacunae while ignoring evidence inconsistent with desired doctrine. Among such ardently defended beliefs are religions, capitalism, socialism, feminism, communism, conspiracy theories, and…Darwinism.
Some questions about evolution are accessible to anyone. Herewith a few of my favorites. The reader will note that in comment sections, amongst all the deprecation and holding of breath and turning blue and name-calling, the evolutionary faithful…
Don’t answer the questions.
There will be much of, “Alas, poor Fred, not a bad fellow but not quite right in the head.” Yes, yes, no doubt. I will remember to take my Thorazine. Answer the questions. Then there will be, “Fred, you know absolutely nothing about….” But what I do or do not know is irrelevant since I am asserting nothing but asking Darwinians what they know. Answer the questions.
They won’t. They will evade, wriggle, wax wroth. They don’t answer because they can’t. If they could, they would. I sympathize with them since without Le Grand Chuck, biologists would lose all sense of structure, order, and certitude.
All right, to work.
Of the many problems with Darwin, the most easily accessible without a lot of technical reading is “irreducible complexity.” Orthodox Darwinism holds that evolution proceeds by small, incremental, beneficial steps. For example, a slightly smarter bushman, smarter because of a fortuitous mutation, might survive more readily than his fellows, get more girls and thus pass on his superior genes. This, so far as it goes, is plausible. It is just selective breeding.
The problem of irreducible complexity arises when a biological system consisting of several interacting parts would have no useful purpose if one of the parts were missing. All of the parts would then have to appear simultaneously, which is astronomically unlikely.
For example, consider the sting of a hornet. It consists of several parts: a biochemical mechanism to make the venom, a sac to hold it, muscles to eject it from the sac, the stinger, muscles to insert the stinger into the victim, nerves to control the first muscles, and nerves to control the second.
If any one of these parts is absent, the mechanism is entirely useless, and so all had to appear simultaneously. This is irreducible complexity.
I ask Darwin’s minions to tell me how this elaborate arrangement evolved. The reader will note that in all the fury and contempt and vile remarks about my maternal ancestry, the Darwinists…
Won’t answer the question.
The thoughtful will additionally note that many of the hornet’s parts would in themselves prove difficult chores of evolution. For example, the stinger is an elegant, precisely formed, long pointed tube of exactly the right diameter. How many simultaneous mutations of what would have to occur to form the thing?
Examples of irreducible complexity litter the natural world. Bugs in particular are rife with it. Consider metamorphosis in insects. There are two kinds of bugs, two-cycle bugs that lay eggs that hatch into tiny replicas of the adults, which grow, lay eggs, and repeat the cycle. Then there are four-cycle bugs that go through egg, larva, pupa, adult. Question: What are the viable steps needed to evolve from two-cycle to four-cycle? Or from anything to four-cycle?
Let us consider this question carefully.
We begin with a two-cycle bug, that for convenience we will call a roach, which will endeavor to evolve into a bug that, also for convenience, we will assume to be a butterfly. From a spirit of charity we will assume that it is a flying roach to give it a head start toward butterflyhood.
To achieve that exalted end, our roach would first have to evolve a larval form—that is, a caterpillar. It is difficult to see how this could occur at all, or why. To become a caterpillar, our roach would have to lose its jointed legs, chitinous exoskeleton, and head-thorax-abdomen body plan. Since not even the most dewy-eyed, dappled evolutionist could attribute such sweeping changes to one mutation, the transformation would have to proceed by steps involving at least several and probably dozens of mutations. Losing the exoskeleton would leave it unarmored and unable to walk, not an obvious selective advantage. It would also have to be able to reproduce to continue evolving, which means become a free-standing species.
Then, for reasons most mysterious, the pupa would have to decide to pupate and become a butterfly. And the butterfly would have to lay eggs that became caterpillars.
Which could not possibly work. Metamorphosis from caterpillar to butterfly is complex and if you don’t get it right the first time, it’s curtains. It would depend on a great many steps which would have to appear simultaneously. First, our caterpillar probably would have to use its spinnerets (of mysterious provenance, but never mind) to make a cocoon, in which it would proceed to die because it hadn’t yet evolved metamorphosis. Why a caterpillar would think of doing this is not clear. To turn successfully into a butterfly, it would need the biochemical machinery to transform a mushy, legless, wingless, head-thorax-abdomenless worm into an utterly different creature. Where would it have gotten the impossibly complex genetic blueprint of the butterfly? Or the machinery to construct it?
Methinks something is going on that we do not understand. But to admit not understanding might give satisfaction to snake-handling evangelical Christians with three teeth in the mountains of North Carolina (though actually it wouldn’t) so we mustn’t admit that we don’t understand.
Note that the questions posed by these bugs are not merely pleasant musings on a slow afternoon. Either the Theory of Evolution can explain them, or the theory fails.
I’m waiting.
If I may dive briefly into technoglop, consider genetic coding for proteins. Each amino acid in a protein is coded for by a codon consisting of three nuclear bases. There being four nucleotides, a codon of three allows four cubed or sixty-four triplets, enough to code for the twenty aminos, some control codons, and redundancy. From what simpler system can this have evolved—two nucleotides per codon, allowing for sixteen aminos and no controls? The current system seems a clear and unambiguous case of irreducible complexity, incapable of simplification.
This, note, is a clear question about a simple and well understood coding system. I assert nothing, but ask. An honest Darwinist has three possible responses: answering the question, explaining why it is meaningless, or saying, “I don’t know.” Or he can duck and dodge, shuck and jive, huff and puff, call names, invoke herd authority, or cower in stolid silence. Watch.
Another question: The human bot fly is a squat, ugly, hairy fly that (in one version anyway) catches a mosquito, lays its eggs on said mosquito after positioning it correctly, and attaches them with a kind of glue. It releases the mosquito. When the little syringe lands on, say, a human, the eggs drop off, hatch, and burrow into the host. These make nasty raised lumps with something wiggling inside them. Later the larvae exit, fall to the ground, and pupate.
How did this evolve? Did a grab-a-mosquito gene occur as a random mutation (assuming that a single mutation could cause such complex behavior)? It would have to be a grab-a-mosquito-but-don’t-
Catching the mosquito without laying the eggs, or sticking the eggs to the wrong part of the mosquito, or laying eggs in midair without having caught the mosquito, would seem losing propositions. None of these awfully-lucky mutations would be of use without the others. How do you evolve this elaborate dance by gradual, beneficial steps?
Once again, I ask the reader to ignore for the moment the matter of whether I am a bad person, want to tear down science, am the lowest sort of unevolved moron, or adherent of the Cargo Cult. Instead, ask: Did the Darwinists answer the question?
A final example: How did the rhinoceros evolve its horn? “No, I didn’t plagiarize this from Kipling. Honest.)
The horned rhino presumably evolved from a large, rhino-like hornless mammal. Nature-show evolutionism will assert that the horn obviously came about to allow defense. Oh. But how? Since the horn is of keratin, not bone, presumably it arose from either skin or hair. But by what small, incremental, advantageous steps? It would be useless until long and pointed. Whatever the mutation that began horn-formation would have to have done it precisely centered laterally on the beast’s forehead, or have managed to move there later. Why here and not, say, on the left hind leg? Why not over the whole body? ¨This is a serous question. The horn would be useless until long and pointed enough to poke lions. To become pointed it would need a mutation, or some number thereof, to make it grow faster in the middle, and then stop growing. Anyone who actually thinks about this mystery will come up with further questions. If the horn evolved by gradual incremental steps, intermediate fossils must exist. Do they?
I invite the reader to note whether Darwinists give clear, non-metaphysical answers to these simple and straightforward questions.
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In Grade 7 our teacher a Mr Mather asked us his class if anyone was named Fred? Alas to his great sadness no one in class was named Fred. Why was he so sad no Fred? Fred was his favourite name he shouted at the class and so depressed.
This morning I found Fred and I to am depressed because alas if he was the Fred my teacher wanted needed and I was tutored by Fred my book Climate Change the Work if God would be a multi-million copy bestseller and Fred would be my co-author sob sob!!
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Denyse Viney
God bless you.
Greetings from Denmark!
Great post, great mugshot, I shure always can appreciate a fellow doesn’t take himself too seriously yet throws some fine writing your way. But then Im Christian, so yeah, God separated the dry land from the water, dotted the heavens with stars (for guidance)….and guess what: Neither can I answer any of the questions (but I fear God, Old Testament style;-). But yes, irreducible complexity is one of the thing that brought me to God, although until now I didn’t know they had a FANCY word for it, he he.
I’ve committed to your mailing list, cheers
Are there Christians in Denmark who read the bible literally? My dear friends. With a lot of love I say to you: don’t lock God in a box. As Pepe Escobar believes, God is love, and laws have their limits. Anyone who has ears to hear, listen!
Yes, we are here. Im humble enough to not be stubborn and fall by the wayside. The seed is sown, may it grow. Faith is work too. Its easy to let go.
The hardest part for a lot of folks is that they become obstinate and cast away their hearts. I never had a problem listening to authority, and God is the headmaster I feel, cheers.
Evolution could be designed by God.
Yes, if you ask me, it is, and I don’t go looking for hard evidence. Here is how it often goes: Someone like me, who reads the Bible, people ask me how I can read it at face value, and I say that I read only partly with my eyes, some reading is done by the heart, and I get the gist of what is being communicated. See, we know that it’s people who wrote down the bible, but for the majority of the text,we don’t know who, but we can say that there was an element of divine illumination that drowe these anscient scribes to put pen to paper.
When, for example, the creation is said to have occured over 7 days etc. this may not nescessary be how it went, but it conveys the divine to the human in a way which we can grasp, relate to.
Evolution was in fact, ‘designed’ by God. Why should ideas such as
creation and evolution be mutually exclusive? That’s simply human
ignorance speaking, and the mind’s propensity for placing everything
into boxes. Put it this way, there are realms yet unexplored by psychics,
scientists, mystics and saints, at least as we think of them from a
human perspective. It should be noted that nothing will be satisfactorily
explained to the mind no matter what is presented be it either fact,
theory or guesswork. These realms can only be experienced, and
never by the mind, but by the Soul.
The important thing to know and understand is that Creation was
manifested in order that it provided experience for Soul, for countless
Souls, because the Deity needs those Souls to journey through the
worlds of matter, energy, space and time, and so develop the spiritual
qualities of Divine love, wisdom, power and freedom, in order to be of
use to the spiritual hierarchy. Otherwise, a self-serving Soul is of no
use to God. Nor can a Soul establish Itself with God, until It has an
all-consuming desire above all else to do do.
In spite of all of the wonders of God’s endless universes, the Creator’s
greatest creation is no less than Soul, Itself. God’s “finished creation”
serves no other purpose than to provide a schoolhouse or training ground
for Soul, in order that It develop the latent spiritual qualities within Itself.
We need to also account for the fact that Soul goes through the process of
incarnating as mineral, plant and animal, before finally reaching the arc of
human consciousness. The finished Creation is finally destroyed before
a long period of “rest”, and then begins all over again.
“These realms can only be experienced, and never by the mind,
but by the Soul.”
Experiences of this nature are not the exclusive domain of Saints
from sometime in the hoary past, but in fact, are common to many
human beings today. We do not always know what we have
experienced, b/c they cannot always be adequately explained
by whoever our spiritual or religious authority may be. It does
impact the mind, and can make us an outsider, but eventually,
builds spiritual fortitude. At the end of the day, we alone need
to decide whether an experience is real or not, and this comes
down to whether we take our cues from within ourselves or from
the social consciousness, ie; outside of ourselves. Either choice
is fine, b/c the opportunity will come again one day, when we
feel stronger, more sure of ourselves etc.
Fred, re Rhino horns. I have noticed that some of the cows I milk have been growing keratine projections from their teats. These have a diameter of about 1mm and seem to grow to a max length of about 7mm, after which they become too dry and weak to remain intact. I have asked the far more experienced farmers I work for what causes it. They just shrug and say, dont know. They cause no harm or obvious distress to the cows. Is it random, a genetic glitch in a particular line of breeding(if someone could be bothered the herd records might reveal something) or the result of some external influence lilke a parasite or insect bite? Who knows? Clearly it is going nowhere in an evolutionarty sense as its future development into anything bigger will result in a trip to the meat works that ends the reproductive cycle for that animal and any offspring so endowed. I will leave it to the other rseaders to have amusing imaginings of what a herd of cows with horns growing off the bottom of their udders might look like.
That aside, thanks for a reminder that science is never, ever settled. For all our technologies we still know very little about how tthing really work.
That is an interesting observation.
We might assume cow-like animals have tendency to have keratine projections. Either by increased levels of keratenes in bloodflow, or increased skin permeatability to keratenes, or anything.
We might speculate that, lacking breasts, male rhinos had those projectiles randomly happening on their snouts.
Now, how could those weird things get fixed and kept by sexual selection? One of hypotheses is it was the same devixe that make us enjoy generosity (which, for individual, is but a useless mindless spending, which allegedly North American Indians had as part of their culture up to destroying most of tribe property jist to show off to neighbors)
The central idea is that sexually selected traits function like conspicuous consumption, signalling the ability to afford to squander a resource. Receivers then know that the signal indicates quality, because inferior quality signallers are unable to produce such wastefully extravagant signals.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_principle
A lot of the big leaps in physical development could be mutations. Not just from small damage from radiation, but from weird mistakes in replication that are sometimes beneficial. Like frogs born with 8 legs are usually poor swimmers, but conceivably at some point a frog is born with 8 legs that are coordinated and so becomes a much better swimmer. Or a much better candidate for domestication for the frogleg market.
One of the best examples of irreducible complexity I’ve found is human speech. IIRC there are 3 different things that needed to evolve in order to allow for speech, only 1 of which might have other uses. And even if someone did spontaneously evolve all 3, of what benefit is being the only guy in the tribe who can talk? You’d end up like the asian guy in the movie “Caveman.”
Fred Reed wrote:
I have long pondered the same issues and come to the same conclusions. Darwinian evolution simply doesn’t work. I came to that conclusion studying immunology when I was in college. There was simply no way that such an astoundingly complex system riddled with intricate feedback loops arose by pure chance. It was patently impossible. But the scientific community cannot admit it since they believe that it would be a concession of defeat to creationists.
But by not admitting that Darwinian evolution is unworkable the scientific community is making two mistakes.
One, they are simply delaying the inevitable collapse of the theory. Eventually some clever mathematician is going to put together a irrefutable demolition of Darwinism. It is going to happen. It is only a matter of time (and courage.)
Two, the scientific community is failing to postulate counter theories whose workability could be explored scientifically. Why not start that now? The mechanics by which evolution has happened is a profound and compelling mystery. Good science has always been about exploring mysteries.
They lie to keep their jobs. Like drug addicts they know there is a problem and their own denial is what keeps it going until it don’t.
That is true. I have heard of scientists not being hired for jobs due to their questioning of orthodoxy.
Science is supposed to be about the pursuit of truth. And sometimes it is.
But often it is politics by another name.
Butterflys? My all time favorite the glass-winged butterfly. Amazing, miniature angels I’d say as our world is only a reflection of the physical displaying the Divine. In fact, enlarge these exquisite creatures to the size of a man, a hulk hogan lol, give it some human qualities and voila UFO’s!!
https://twistedsifter.com/2012/03/15-stunning-photos-of-the-glasswinged-butterfly/
Just as stunning if not even more glorious is what is found here:
https://twitter.com/GerryFo62113279/status/1303003277223538688
Bioluminscence is the stuff of glory. It is what clothed our first parents in the Garden of Eden.
And Father wants to return us to that!!!!! Fred lol???
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:3
There is an inner beast waiting to get out of all creatures.
Some the horns burst out, some are kept in, like a cat.
There were probably short and long, left handed horns and right handed horns, every combination possible.
But the one horn that lasted the test of time in nature, with say the rhino, was the one currently seen today.
Not a Darwinist but I’ll take a punt, First maybe before hornets became ‘social’ insects they laid eggs parasitically through their stinger, which was also used as a weapon against their predators. When they were neutered by social living the egg sac got a bit rank and became poisonous thus enhancing their weapon. In a similar vein maybe whatever butterflies were they were also dependent on laying eggs parasitically in some veggie grub, once those eggs hatched inside they took over the nervous system and gradually consumed the grub from inside, once the grub could no longer function it was made to wrap up in a silk sack until the butterfly emerged, then one day a mutation occured and the butterfly laid eggs that combined the two and became the ancestor of all butterflies. That’s it.
I think he is saying that we don’t know as much as we think we do about a lot of the ‘truths’ we have been conditioned to believe in, an observation that I can concur with! Lacking any knowledge to challenge it, the theory of evolution made perfect sense to me, and still does, irrespective of the “irreducible complexity” of the living World, The irreducible complexity spawns the four stage insect and the human being, How does that happen, well you can have a Theory to believe in if this is what you need, but you can never penetrate the ‘irreducible,’ Human brains don’t have that much power! People think they are ‘Smart’ because they tell themselves that they are and they have the props to support their delusions, important ‘Rich’ people have a retinue of people who’s job it is to reinforce their sense of omnipotence!
People like all living things, are a product of nature, we should use our ‘Intelligence’ to serve nature and live off the bounty but we won’t, our present iteration of Rulers want to conquer Nature and enslave all mankind with their artificial intelligence, it is called the Trans-humanist Project, now how will that end?
What ever happens the ‘irreducible complexity’ will immediately set to work and produce a form of life that will positively thrive in what we leave behind.
I saw a video on Youtube last week about new strains of bacteria that are eating the plastic in the sea, are they a product of the ‘irreducible Complexity, and what are they turning the plastic into?
The answer is “monkey magic.”
Over time the monkeys will learn to type and and write stuff for posh bands in suites.
Only God knows how the monkeys will do it.
“Either the Theory of Evolution can explain them, or the theory fails”.
Not really. Theories don’t have to explain everything completely, right away. They just have to explain some important things, to some extent, better than any other viable theory.
If you don’t believe in Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, Fred, what do you believe in? Is there any other explanation except intelligent design or creation? (That also leads to interesting questions, such as, “Do chimps have souls? If not, why are they so very nearly the same as we are, right down to their DNA? And if chimps do have souls, how about dogs? Roaches?”)
Personally, the more I learn about biochemistry, the more I tend to believe in Darwinism. The machinery of the human body (and, of course, of other organisms) is so insanely complex – and yet incredibly reliable and flexible – that I don’t think any mind could encompass it. Most of the important chemicals in the body serve a number of entirely different functions; a function such as blood clotting, which we take for granted, involves several dozen interlocking and interdependent subsystems, and also works very closely with other major systems such as the immune system.
I wonder if people are led astray by our inability to grasp the size of the numbers involved. We who sit reading and writing on this blog are the descendants of perhaps 100,000 generations of humans or near-humans, and before them of tens of millions of generations of more primitive creatures. At every single one of those tens of millions of generations, some died and some lived; and of those that lived, some had offspring. You and I and everyone else who has ever lived are descended from tens of millions of matings every single one of which had viable fertile offspring; and not just that, but viable fertile offspring whose offspring were also viable and fertile. The vista is literally unimaginable.
At every generation, there were many that died, or lived and did not have viable offspring. Those were the unfortunate debris of evolution; all the experiments that didn’t quite work.
To my mind, the evolutionary explanation is far the most believable. As a character in one of Frank Herbert’s novels remarks, “Negative feedback is the most terrifying perfectionist in the universe”. So whenever I see anything that looks close to perfection, I suspect that it may be the work of negative feedback operating over a great number of trials.
Humanity is pushing itself towards extinction, either through catastrophic climate change (there are many eras of earth climate where human life or anything similar could not have existed) or through similar catastrophic nuclear exchange. Some other organism, or organisms, will take advantage of this newly opened market for resources because they are naturally more able to survive radiation/nuclear winter/carbon-methane poisoned atmosphere.
Many other organisms will die along with us. Many others over long periods of time (millions and millions of years) will eventually repopulate the earth with a variety of amazing and different creatures. If one mutation occurs every one thousand years, then so far there have been opportunities for 3.5 million mutations, enough to account for the different chemical formulations that make up our body. As well, mutations can occur much faster than every thousand years (Omicron? Flu? Fruit flies?) What is not determined is the effectiveness of those formulations and how they interact with previous formulations: some die immediately; others will be benign and produce no change; others will flourish until another malignant change comes along – or a superior predator comes along – or until it destroys its habitat – or its habitat changes through the natural sequence of geological events.
Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
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Darwinian evolution theory posits random genesis or random genetic mutations as the mechanisms whereby things evolve over time.
In the rhinoceros horn example there might have been some sort of evolutionary developmental process or perhaps it sprung more or less instantly but either way the intention to defend against predators was surely behind such a development and that intention (mind) factor is entirely denied in Darwinian theory which, again, posits RANDOM genesis as the driver.
Evolution is not out of the question but random evolution is totally absurd if you think it through. One of the main things driving Darwinian theory is the belief that science deals with objective truth only and needs must establish its own authority separate from any Church, so the main purpose of the random element is to substitute for any notion of a God Principle in the evolutionary process.
It’s a crude trick, one which many very intelligent people have fallen for but ultimately cannot argue except to say ‘I believe.’ Belief should have no place in science but of course it does because, if truth be told, materialist science has no business (or way) theorizing about life origins and so forth which is more the domain of contemplative meditators and philosophers.
The mutations are random but the selection is not as the selection is done by the circumstances that the organism is surounded by. Not being random does not require intelligence to be present.
” And if chimps do have souls, how about dogs? Roaches?”
And what about plants rocks and stars. Which brings us to animism, the best fit explanation given the information available to a hunter gatherer. Its about relating to your environment rather than just to the other people around you.
@Tom Welsh
Great answer! The author of this article questions (which in itself is fair and valid) some aspects of the Theory of biological evolution Darwin proposed. However, he doesn’t offer any alternative theory to explain the allegedly unexplained “problems”. Science is not static, but indeed it is ever changing. It doesn’t contend it is always right, but rather it is always seeking theories that better explains the observations from the real world.
One difficulty that theories like the Theory of Evolution face is that they deal with things which are not reproducible by us (at least, not easily). Physicists, for example, not only can verify their theories against experiments already made, but many times they can also devise experiments to test their theories. This is harder for theories like the Theory of Evolution.
Another problem is the fact that the events the Theory of Evolution is concerned with takes place in a time scale of decades or even centuries, and hence evolve too slowly to be easily observed. That makes it even harder to test the Theory.
I agree, though, that there are scientists (and laymen, too) who are almost evangelists regarding the Theory of Evolution (and other theories). Oftentimes, this is exacerbated by financial greed. It is easier to get research grants if you are studying a “hot” topic.
However, many critics of the theory are also quite irrational on their opposition to the theory’s propositions. The theory can have its flaws, but it offers a good explanation (even if it is not perfect) on the diversity of life we see in the real world. I suppose this irrational behavior on both sides is because of a (wrong, in my opinion) perception of a inherent conflict between science and religion. We do not see this kind of antagonism, for example, for black holes or quantum mechanics, even if they are theories that were not immediately accepted by all scientists when initially proposed. I guess this has to do with the fact that we, as humans, are afraid of death. The materialists probably have fears that religion is right, and human behavior does indeed count for the after-life.
Science, however, ignores all this fight, even if many scientists don’t. I suppose God, knowing the whole truth, also ignores all this. This petty digladiation is probably human folly. As it happened with Heliocentrism, which the Church fought for many centuries but at the end became an established theory, so it may happen with the Theory of Evolution, albeit in an improved form.
We can question if it is valid worthwhile defending the Theory of Evolution in particular, and Science in general. Are they useful or are they just products of human arrogance and a source of discord, like the Babel tower? I’d say they are very important, and it is indeed worthwhile to continue to study. Heliocentrism is a good example. This theory led to advances that culminated, in our times, in the launching and use of satellites, which have enabled many advances in out present-day society. Herein lies the usefulness of Science. It is a way to enable us to make predictions of real events, and to build complex systems that conform to reality, instead of fighting it. Technological advances in our society fundamentally depends on science, and these advances are the engine to the progress we have been witnessing in the last two centuries.
One may think that the Theory of Evolution may not contribute much to this progress, even assuming it can describe reasonably well life on Earth, and therefore it may not be worthwhile to spend so much time and effort on it. However, note that several recent inventions have been based on lifeforms that currently exist on Earth (examples are plentiful, just search for “nature based robotics” in your favorite search engine). If the Theory of Evolution can indeed explain reasonably well how the different lifeforms evolved, it is not inconceivable that future inventions apply it to use ideas from *past* living organisms to do some task more efficiently or in a better way than is possible today.
And if the current Theory of Evolution is not the best theory to predict how life evolved on Earth, a better theory in the future may be proposed and used. However, it has to be proposed. Pointing any perceived shortcomings is only the first step.
The biggest question I would love to ask a faithful Darwin-believing Origin of Species thumper is: Hey, what about the well-known male/female phenomenon? Just image, a long long time ago, lots of accidental things happened with the DNA so that a creature was born/hatched/sprung from the brow of Zeus, whatever, as a male, and the other creatures (who were neither of the previously nonexistent “male” nor “female” states) around saw “him” as a freak of nature. Assuming that he wasn’t immediately killed and eaten, my question is, what are the odds that the almost-same things happened, to produce a “female” anywhere nearby in time and space, and here ‘s the interesting part, what are the odds she’d like him, and there could even BE offspring? What if he forgot her “birthday”?
I have a theory, based on 2 pieces of evidence, about which i have done zero research: 1) one of the genetic differences between dogs and wolves, although both classified as Canis lupus, is that dogs have more copies of the gene for alpha-amylase than wolves; 2) the offspring of male smokers have increased tolerence for nicotine. The first example obviously comes from dogs’ eating off humans’ tables for untold generations. To ascribe this to pure Darwinism is absurd, as dogs have not been bred for their ability to digest starch. They are pets and work animals, and are valued. Owners are not going to let them perish because they can’t deal well with starch.
According to dogma, a female’s eggs are set in the womb, and are unalterable except for aging processes. But sperm are not; it is my theory that there is feedback formed by the present needs of the male. So that if a male wolf were to be fed an inordinate amount of starch, the wolf would ‘tell his balls’ to make more copies of the alpha amylase gene. The essence of this theory is that females are conservative, the DNA in their oocytes is defined at birth and unaltered, but males are dynamic, they respond to change. That is the purpose of the two sexes: a foundation of conservatism with a pathway for change.
So far things can be explained in simple terms of number of copies of a gene. The mechanism for this should be pretty straight forward. But i also think there is a mechanism to actually mutate genes in the process of spermatogenesis. There are many mechanisms to induce mutations biologically; microorganisms do this all the time. They can mutate an enzyme in the ‘hopes’ of obtaining a more efficient process, without having to completely start from scratch and develop an enzyme.
Darwin’s work was done maybe 100 years before DNA was understood at all. Some of his seminal work was on the length of birds’ beaks. Organic chemistry was in total infancy, and biochemistry was relegated to understanding fermentation (wine, beer, soy) and baking. To look condescendingly on Darwin’s work from the vantage of 100years into the future shows that we need to constantly refine our theories and concepts, without taking away, at all, from the original work.
Technically, females came first. I am a beekeeper and in bees the queen mates with several males (drones) at the beginning of her life, stores all of their sperm inside her, and uses it to fertilize all of her offspring for the rest of her life. She mixes a little of it with each egg before she lays it. With one exception. Males. When the queen wants to make drones she lays an unfertilized egg near the edge of the hive, males like cooler environments-witness where testicles are located. The drone is a clone of its mother which then goes out and seeks a virgin (or nearly) queen to deliver his mother’s load of genetic material, and promptly dies. A male is a bag of sperm with a boat motor attached and enough instructions to follow a scent of hormones coming from a suitable (horny) female and deliver its load. A male is a female’s way of giving half her genetic information to another female. At least for bees. Bees are quite old and reflect an archaic form of sexual reproduction. I don’t necessarily accept the ascendancy of Darwinism, but nature is quite odd and any intelligence who designed a system like this is alien to anything we can imagine. What was God thinking?
A much better question to evolutionists is this: How did the cell evolve? A single eukaryotic cell is a miracle of engineering. A cell is like an entire industrial city. There are libraries that hold blueprints. Factories that build and repair machines. Signalling systems that let each part of the cell know what all of the others are doing and what is needed where. City walls that open for some things but not for others through mechanical gates. Energy plants that can take fuel and turn it into batteries that are then distributed and used by all of the other machines of the cell. A network of highways and intersections where motors transport all of the materials, machines, and waste products around the cell, knowing exactly where to bring what. Cells can be mobile with flagella serving as propulsion. But the flagella are attached to motors embedded in the cell walls complete with stators and rotors like any motor in our houses today. Which came first, the motor or the thing it moves?
Once a single self-functioning, living cell evolved, which biologists say took about 2 billion years, everything else were just variations on that theme. That’s the real question. How did a single cell evolve?
So queens are female and drones her clones are male? What happens if you move the eggs to a warmer spot? and feed them royal jelly?
The lowly bacteria can reproduce either asexually or sexually. They can share genetic information beyond that, as in transferring chemical information from one to another directly or by picking it up in whatever medium they are living, in order to pass on resistance to chemicals toxic to their existence (e.g.antibiotics, poisons).
Long before “higher” life forms displayed sexual reproduction, nature already had it figured out with the bacteria and primitive plant life. After that, if it proved to be a valuable survival trait – as it obviously was and still is – future generations of all descendent life forms would have it available for their reproduction and survival. Millions of tweaks along the way would shape it into the myriad forms of reproduction in the biosphere today.
Made me laugh at every paragraph. Fred, you’re some kind of smart! And funny!
Yeah, all that stuff happening all at once points directly at the Creator, you the one that St. John says this about: “through Him were all things made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made”.
John 1:3
When I took pre-med in college, the biochemistry professor said there was not enough time in the history of humanity to have made all these evolutionary steps, but Fred brings up a great point: they couldn’t have been made in steps; they had to be made all at once. Who can do that??? Only one almighty being, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Patrick
It is my understanding that evolution can be subdivided into macro and micro evolution. So when we see dog breeds or white butterflies become grey/black when exposed to a coal-polluted environment this is microevolution, and something mostly uncontroversial. The problems comes with macro-evolution and its key notion of speciation, i.e. that evolutionary pressures can turn species A into species B. First, the challenge of irreducible complexity has not, in my opinion, been successfully addressed by “official” evolutionary thought. Then there is the gap in the fossil record which has been addressed only with a typical “thought experiment” of the so-called ‘punctuated evolution’. But most of what I see are long tirades against religion and all those who dare to question The Official Darwinist Orthodoxy as if only inbred ignorant Bible-thumping rednecks could possibly doubt the official and obligatory narrative. The reality is that plenty of non-religious scientist, especially microbiologists, are asking a lot of thorny questions and the way official scientific community has replied is by almost exclusively ad hominems and silence.
The notion that our modern science is objective and open to challenges is plainly false. That is just PR for the ignorant masses. The truth is that our science has been hopelessly poisoned by politics, be it COVID or evolution. I would even argue that all our sciences (I use this term loosely here) have become hopelessly marred in politics and strident ideological intolerance.
I can say for sure that today’s colleges are totally different from what colleges used to be in the 80s or before.
We are left with various forms of brainwashing. At least in Zone A.
What a crying shame…
Good point, Saker!
I have always accepted micro-evolution as being thoroughly tested, and subject to falsification. Micro-evolution is about as “hard” as science gets.
Macro-evolution, on the other hand, I have always rejected. First macro-evolution does not follow (non-sequitur) from micro-evolution. Just because species adapt to their environments does NOT prove that all life spawned from a chemical soup.
Besides which, I reject the nominalist idea that matter is fundamental, and that being and consciousness are epiphenomenal. Most civilizations throughout history (whether Christian or not) have maintained the opposite.
So then, what is your explanation for the wide array of species we see across the planet? Where did they come from?
I think it was Locke who refuted the ‘scientific method’ from the get-go as being impossible to live up to. It’s main proponent at the time was some sort of salesman.
Put another way: ultimately there is no getting away from the truth that facts, or rather any implications derived therefrom, are a matter of opinion therefore ultimately the notion of objective truth is a concept unfounded in reality which itself is a far more subjective and mind-field laden affair than materialists are willing to countenance.
It’s very hard for materialists to see that they are as much mired in some sort of religious fundamentalism as those whom they decry (some of whom are so mired but most of whom are not).
The truth is that our science has been hopelessly poisoned by politics, be it COVID or evolution.
I would add to that “global warming” or “climate change” which is the progenitor of all the new “settled” science.
It is the subject captured by politicians and those tyrants who would own us.
The brainwashing has endured for so long now that the majority believe it. Some believe it with a religious fervour. I would hazard that even a majority of scientists believe it.
“A man will believe what he needs to believe when he needs to believe it.” (thanks Bill)
His innocence and his guilt, his knowledge and his ignorance coagulate into an acceptable “truth”.
Is evolutionary theory this same kind of “truth”?
Was there a political agenda to get rid of God in the time of Darwin?
I can imagine there was but believe it is the result of real science.
Whether that means it is true is another matter.
And whether that matters is another matter.
I am consulting Nietzsche just now on the very subject in “Beyond Good And Evil”
Wow!
I remember climate warming. Very scary stuff. Then the facts said the planet was getting colder. Switcharoo..new name climate change “it’s a winner.” Heads they win tails they win.
Meanwhile the world IQ is 81 and going lower. Faster in America.
@Saker,
I’ve been down this rabbit hole a few times, including long discussions with ‘men of the cloth’. I agree that there is agreement between the two sides that micro-evolution of species does occur – the animals in one area assuming genetic traits that are better suited for survival in that region, humans are not immune to this and anybody who thinks differently should check out the local adaptations of the Nepalese people to allow for high altitude living.
I also agree that where Religion and Darwinism/Evolution drift apart is at the macro level; where did that first ‘spark’ of self awareness/life come from? Where is the ‘missing link’ in the human development chain? Interestingly enough, the current crop of Evolutionists shouted down the opposing group who stated that Man has been on this planet in current form far longer than current theory would suggest. I commend ‘Forbidden Archaeology’ by Cremo and Thompson as a decent dissertation on this subject. Many of the 1800’s Archaeologists found evidence that Man was on the planet substantially earlier than current theory suggests, and as you stated were pounded into silence. There was a distinct lack of objectivity on the part of the current group on top at that time and that hasn’t changed.
Having said all that, groups that debate these questions are frequently caught in a circular logic loop. Because a person has faith in Religion/Evolution they know their beliefs to be true, facts are fit into a pattern that supports their beliefs, because the pattern supports their beliefs in Religion/Evolution they know their faith is true. Inconvenient facts are discarded. This does not mean that I am putting down anybody, simply stating in a harsh manner that beliefs and faith are a matter of personal choice.
Having read Darwins Theory of Evolution and the Descent of Man I found nothing that would eliminate Creationism as it does not address that ‘spark of life’ that all living things have. Having read the Bible, Koran, Dao De Ching, the Baghavad Gita, Analects of Confucius, and the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius along with the usual Norse, Early Germanic, Celtic, Classical Greek/Roman, and North American Native beliefs there is a wide range of Creationism stories and many of these are cultural based but all of these are faith based.
I am now at the point where I assume a Daoist viewpoint, all religions, and that includes Evolution, cloud the mind to the realities and possibilities around us. That does not mean that I don’t believe in a Creator, simply that I am no longer enamoured of a religion. I had to perform escort duty once for a group of cadets and one of them sat down beside me and said, “I’m sure glad we’re killing all those evil Muslims over there – they worship the devil”, this to me is the quintessential endpoint of circular logic carried to the extreme. Unfortunately for him – or fortunately depending on your viewpoint – he learned a great deal about many religions in a couple of hours and we ended up thanking each other for a very interesting discussion but I am very concerned about who taught him dogma without reason.
Thanks for this, Fred Reed! Great read! We cannot answer, because we neither know nor understand!
I think Darwin was right that an
evolution has happened. The reason for this evolution and the mechanism behind is a mystery. And I guess humanity will never find out.
In these times I think the belief that “science knows” is delusional. We need more humility.
A nice change of pace away from inpeeding war.
When I look at planet Mars, it feels like I’m looking at a former home. Or a prison from where our species escaped after it was concieved. You can say that I am a believer in some other form of The Creation. God just might not be an old man sitting above the clouds. No, he might be somewhere far, far away now.
Our bodies show signs of careful, lengthy and blutly intentional design. There are numerous species on this planet that might have been subjected to similar experimentation. Apes are very similar to us, but they aren’t us. We see no other creatures with such similarities. What does that tell us?
Humanity is a product of a higher power, a power that left us long ago. Either through our mutiny, or because of some other inexplicable calamity, we found ourselves on this planet, together with all the creatures that followed. Or were left behind. Doesn’t matter. What does matter is that there might be people who know the real truth.
There are options that would, if not explain, then at least point to alternatives to ‘slow’ evolution. One of these is the concept of a Simulated Universe, run according to mathematical rules that, are, for the moment, beyond our ability to fathom. An alternative approach to mathematics, perhaps one based on the strange potentials of Q-bits and multi-dimensions, might, just might help us come to terms with irreducible complexity. That among other peculiar phenomena that defy the simplistic approach to Science of all physical things. That simplicity, as I’d call it, is based on postulating a world based on reducibility of anything physical to ever smaller parts. Parts which may be assumed at first to be irreducible, at least until another science comes along and finds that nope, that too can be reduced.
The philosophers call it the Atomistic Approach which posits that all things can be reduced to smaller components, tied together by forces and relations that humans can – and will – figure out in due course (because they/we are THAT clever!).
Deviating for a moment from the biological/evolutionary sciences, I bring you the glorious atom. Started as something not so reducible, until it was reduced to nucleus + electrons, then the nuclei themselves became seen to be composed of protons and neutrons, which, in turn, some many decades later, came to be newly understood as composed of quarks, which……brings us to this day, when the new irreducibles are just these quarks, joined by their totally unlike ‘friends” from the lepton family, such as the electron. Yes, the mighty electron which is still irreducible, per nearly all theories out there (except some crazy ones that we are free – and indeed, obliged – to ignore). All attempts to reduce it further by numerous super-talented theorists have, so far, come to naught.
Bit of a confounding puzzle there, one might say – even as the puzzle is presented as one of the great triumphs of Physics – infinite complexity arising from such tiny, not so numerous building blocks – quarks and leptons – the great irreducibles. A bit of a tragedy actually, as that glorious final frontier now chokes a once thriving discipline, known as Elementary Particle Physics. Which has spawned no great new theories for lo so many decades, even as they keep putting the last few nails in the coffin known as The Standard Theory. What’s inside the coffin? never you mind, unless you want to spend a limited life producing an endless string of complex looking papers that fewer than 5 people ever read
So what’s a poor particle Physicist to do if not turn to Cosmology (which they all dabble in these days, the better to keep a stale career more fresh looking). Cosmology is where you go to find impressive new enigmas, usually preceded by the adjective “Dark”. Though honorary mention must go to a few of them wanderers, made distraught by a shortage of innovative new theories, who have turned to mathematics, which can lead one to wonderous new worlds, like multiverses, and wouldn’t you know it, even to metaverses (for the bravest of them all)*.
Why do I mention the possibility that our universe as we know it, is, basically, a simulation (never mind by whom or for what purpose)? because IMHO, it might, just might be a productive line of thought that scientists/mathematicians, disinclined to religious belief, could pursue, without being run out of town, so to speak. You know, the new Science of Simultology (totally distinct from Scientology, of course, which is a religion).
Long comment, off on my own tangent, but inspired by Fred’s piece.
Now I’ll be off to work on that most interesting of problems – the butterfly and the caterpillar – using some strange mathematics I just came across (hint: the Golden ratio, Fibonacci numbers and that most peculiar of all creatures – the Mandelbrot series – are all part of it, but only a small part!!).
*PS names available upon request (which I don’t expect since i doubt many would care to plod this far….and i can’t blame them either).
Remote veiwers schooled by siddhis have quarks made up of upa’s which in turn are composed of almost 14bn. bubbles, like air bubbles in water, forming ever running strings of movement into and out of the mind of the first cause. http://www.smphillips.mysite.com/index.html
and to get close to the subject one for everyone which questions our ‘common’ one off multi-celled creation. https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/02/24/the-peculiar-schema-of-dna-codons-second-letter/
Science believes that consciousness is simply a ‘hallucination’ created by complex chemistry.
Science then decides to use this ‘hallucination’ to power the scientific method, in the search for the universal Truths.
Hmmm, a ‘hallucination’ seeking Truth. Flavours of Alice’s mad-hatter tea parties?
Perhaps we need to reexamine the concept of consciousness, for if our entire universe is a structure of consciousness, then the problems of ‘irreducible complexity’ are solved, with the stroke of a cosmic pen!
Welcome to the Hidden Splendour!
Hey, I try pointing out to physicists that time isn’t so much the point of the present moving past to future, that they codify as measures of duration and correlate with measures of distance, but change turning future to past. As in tomorrow becomes yesterday, because the earth turns. Duration is the present, as the events rise and fall.
There isn’t any actual dimension of time, because the past is consumed by the present, inform and drive it, aka, causality and conservation of energy. Cause becomes effect.
So time is an effect, like temperature, pressure, color and sound. Time is frequency, events are amplitude. Ideal gas laws correlate volume with temperature and pressure, which are as foundational to our emotions and bodily functions, as sequence is to thought, but we don’t mistake them for dimensions of space.
Time is asymmetric, because it is a measure of action and action is inertial. The earth only turns one direction.
It’s just that as these mobile organisms, our biological sentience coalesces as a sequence of perceptions, in order to navigate. Which is about like seeing the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, before realizing it’s the earth turning west to east.
Obviously though, I’m called a fool, for not adhering to the program.
As for Darwinism, was life ordained from on high, or did it grow slowly up, with near infinite numbers of feedback loops playing out in near infinite directions? Well, the problem with an all-knowing absolute is that absolute is elemental, rather than an ideal. A spiritual absolute would be the essence of sentience, from which we rise, not an ideal of wisdom and judgement, from which we fell. More the light shining through the film, than the images on it.
What most people fail to recognize, with all our worship of complexity, is that simplicity is equally incomprehensible. The egg is simpler than the rooster, but we can at least identify with the rooster. They have a pecking order, at least. While the egg is just looking into the biological abyss. We don’t even remember our own infancy.
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the sakerProfessor Fred Reed, I suggest reading Professor Robert Trivers at roberttrivers.com
There is a story I read of a man who was a forensic detective, who wrote pieces for one of the big London papers.
He found the whole theory full of holes and wrote accordingly.
Richard Dawkins ran a smear campaign on him and got him sacked.
They take no prisoners.
I have often pondered the questions raised. It is nice to know that I am not the only one.
You would think that if you considered the plant world the explanation may be easier but it isn’t. The complex interdependence is so complex that Darwinism is nowhere close to explaining it.
Darwinism isn’t science, it is an ideology. That is why it is an “-ism”. That is why people talk about “believing” in Darwinism. We don’t hear much of people “believing” in gravity, or electricity, do we?
Darwinism is one of the pillars that support the overall ideological framework of Zone A. That is why responses to any questioning of it are so visceral, dismissive and strident.
What about photosynthesis?
We have never been able to replicate it, let alone understand it.
Yet the stupidest blade of grass operates this amazingly complex and perfect system.
@Merlin2
I suspect that science is terrified of the simulation concept.
A simulation implies a projecting dimension, and an organising consciousness.
A simulation implies that our universe does not arise out of nothing, but perhaps within a self-aware Multi-Verse, you know, the God concept.
Science would prefer to dwell in its little prison of atoms, and the dilemmas surrounding ‘thinking rocks’, usually known as the Triumph of the Law of Matter, or Satanism!
You are, of course, right about science being a bit “terrified” of dealing with even the possibility of living in a simulation. After all, to them it may look like a back-door into “Intelligent design” ideas, which instill terror in the hearts of all “rationalists”. For whom reality has to be defined as something that can be parsed, dissected and reconstructed according to principles cast in stones. Those may be called laws of nature, or paradigms or, basically, axioms.
However, that said, most serious theoretical Physicists could actually be open to simulation based concepts, because (1) why not? there’s nothing that can rule it out, almost by definition (2) it does point to the direction of a “Mathematical Universe” – something that’s already being considered anyways, if not quite in these terms, and (3) entertaining such a possible conceptual framework may stimulate new theories/insights/approaches that could possibly be used to resolve long-standing theoretical dilemmas and puzzles (and there are many that theorists know about, even if the average scientist doesn’t).
The resistance comes mostly from the experimentalists, applied scientists and, of course, the engineers, who like things more cut and dry, again, by definition (since they have to build things, measure things and design devices).
Finally, the main objection I’ve encountered (from the theorists/Mathematicians) was a practical one; If we do live in a simulation, that means we can’t actually “get out of the box”, IOW, there’s no way to prove or disprove such a hypothesis, so it is not “useful” in that sense. To which I do have replies, one of which is – look for the “glitches”, which must be there if everything is somehow connected. Another reply I have is that the very possibility of a simulated universe requires revisiting our mathematical tools, with which we explain things like “The Standard Model” be it in particle Physics or Cosmology, which may open new directions for all manner of researchers, from Physicists to Computer scientists, to Biologists, to Mathematicians and even to psychologists and analysts of all sorts.
Apart from its modern self-advertising Yankee tone, this article is nothing but a garbled rehash of standard 19th Century objections to Darwinism. The author draws attention to himself aggressively but throws more heat than light on the subject.
The evidence for evolution goes back at least 2,700 years: to the Greek physicist Thales of Miletus, who lived on an island and thus was in a position to notice there was a lot of water around. He guessed that everything on Earth was built from water; correctly, because the Greed word for water is Hydor and Hydrogen is the primary nucleus from which every other atomic element is built up. Thales also guessed correctly that terrestrial life forms originated in the sea. So far, the evidence for evolution — evolution of atomic nuclei and evolution of life — is both ancient and solidly verified by modern physics.
After a couple of thousand years, the great German evolutionary scientist Wolfgang von Goethe closed the gap between humans and monkeys, 90 years before Darwin, by demonstrating the anatomical existence of the “missing link” (intermaxillary bone) in the human skull. The question for 18th Century evolutionists (such as Darwin’s grandfather Erasmus) was not so much **whether** Evolution but **how **.
Darwin added a great mathematical insight: the Law of Compound Interest. He got it from London’s great finance houses such as House of Rothschild, who exploited compound interest in an environment of unrestrained competition to dominate first England and then most of the modern world.
Apart from technical details, the only good insight after Darwin was made by the great Russian evolutionary biologist, Prince Peter Kropotkin, who guessed that Mutual Cooperation is important for survival because much of the environment on Earth (and in the Universe) is hostile to life. “We live in a tough neighbourhood”.
By the way, Kropotkin’s idea of Mutual Help as beneficial for survival goes back to the founder of Christianity. Not surprisingly, Kropotkin was likewise arrested as An Enemy of the State; his friends had to stage a raid to spring him from prison and smuggle him off to safety in exile.
and yet here we have the same exact thing from the scriptures about water?
“Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.” Genesis 1:2
the most interesting question though surely must be did Adam or Eve have a belly button. Obvious answer no.
How can you be sure you’ve found irreducible complexity?
If, indeed, the Darwinists are mistaken, then we must reconcile ourselves to the fact that they were created by a malicious God that has designed the most fiendishly hideous parasites & diseases, sparing neither animal or man. For details read the Old Testament ( if you have the stomach for it.)
Dear Fred,
Evolution you speak of also involves incredible periods of time eg millions or hundreds of thousands. What if billions of years, radiometrically determined, were to act – but not on bio-processes which were not affected by the basic ZPE energy conversion – to alter say Planck’s Constant (?)? We would have a world where the necessary lengths of time for evolution may or may not exist.
Evolution become therefore a hope. We hope no-one can show the orbital years, which rule evolution, are not radiometric years.
Religion anyone? Fake religion anyone? Pure hope with no apparent substantiation.
The one certainty we now have (in 2022) is that evolution provides no certainty.
For those who see through the Spirit the truths in Scripture, certainty is now sure.
Regards,
Ian Shears
First off – evolution does exist, as any farmer or pet breeder who is involved in animal breeding can attest to. ID proponents call this microevolution.
Darwin bolstered his idea through the observation of artificial selection, as opposed to natural selection. The latter is undirected, while the former is clearly directed.
I will not here discuss the steps involved that through mutations and then natural selection new functions and organs can appear, through steps of lesser organs of lesser functionality, that however give an edge to survivability or at least are neutral, until further changes in the genes enhance their functionality when expressed in the phenotype. The eye is a fine example, from a simple photoreceptor to the most advanced eyes in birds and the Mantis shrimp.
What I want to talk about is given a designer, what kind of designer is he/she/it when one observes what is happening in the natural world. As a former lab tech and agrologist, hunter and fisherman I can only hope I never meet this entity, which to me as an observer of the natural world is nothing short of an exquisite sadist.
This sadism finds its expression in anything from the way the predator-prey relationship works, with animals, need to kill other animals, and in an often most painful way, to the inordinate amount of sophisticated parasitism that is far more common than just the simple kill and eat mechanism.
As a lab tech I had to intimately study the live cycles of many parasites like tapeworms and flukes, that among non vertebrates have the most astonishing life cycles to torture and sometimes kill (accidentally often, but not always so) their host, and are a plague to animals and us human animal as well. The nematodes (roundworms) of course are also well represented in this panopticon of cruelty, from the hookworms, trichinella, ascaridida, trichinella, guinea worms etc. all exquisite in causing suffering and pain in the host to its final destruction.
As the author referred to, there are also the cycles of insects like the botflies, the various parasitic wasps that lay their eggs into the living host so the larvae can kill the body from eating it alive from the inside. There are even wasps that act in conjunction with viruses to suppress the immune system. Some of the parasites can even control the behavior of the host so it performs actions that are needed so the parasite can further develop.
And then there is of course the vast kingdom of the viruses and bacteria, which plague everything alive, from the flesh-eating bacteria to the more fun inducing syphilis, which is said to affect the libido so it can propagate even faster.
And of course, last not least, we have the top-of-the-line predator, us humans, not just satisfied with killing “lower” forms of life for food or pleasure but exquisite in killing, in many ingenious ways, its own kind. That includes the invention of torture machines, devices, and techniques, weapons systems, to the invention of economic systems that are designed to extract the maximum of benefits for a few through the suffering and pain of the many.
At last, there are the natural disasters, that kill like wars often in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands because this designer was either not smart enough, or in the opposite intentionally, planted all this “LIFE” on a planet that is on one hand suited for biology but on the other hand existing only on a thin crust floating on thousands of degrees hot magma, on plates that are in constant motion with atmospheric patterns that are both nurturing and utterly destructive.
A creator who intentionally and with fiendish pleasure and intelligence – one has to assume because the topic is obviously “intelligent design” – plagues his creation in such multifarious ways is definitely something that I rather would curse than worship.
And I am astonished that anyone of sound mind would be masochistic enough to be able to perform such an act.
Yes, I’ve always wondered why God mosquito’s why? and Christ had to deal with snakes and scorpions living in the desert.
As for the rest of it Christ in replying to those who asked about the end of the world replied that indeed this world will die due to what happened and is happening to it. Thats a given and nothing, absolutely nothing that any scientist can do including Directed Panspermia can change that. Not even an expenditure of 10 billion dollars on a telescope in high orbit to look for intelligent life on some other planet. Nor the SETI signal? My did we really receive an answer from God who science want to redefine as an alien?
https://twitter.com/GerryFo62113279/status/1307346679310348288
This world is doomed unfortunately and the only one who provided a way out of it is Christ.
It happened under Noah…
https://twitter.com/GerryFo62113279/status/1365050577747546114
and will indeed occur and by the look of things this very generation now being born.
There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. Luke 21:11
Like to add to for all of the good and great things science has discovered and given us it unfortunately also opens the Pandora’s box of horrors. In so many respects science is a gamble not knowing the end from the beginning the greatest example of course being:
In San Diego, I talked with Captain Eddy. He had been with the expedition in the Marshall Islands on November 1, 1952, when America exploded her first hydrogen bomb. In a sober voice, Captain Eddy said, “No one could visualize the awfulness of that sight unless he were there in person.” Two hundred miles above the Pacific, the mighty hydrogen bomb was detonated. The blast lighted up thousands of miles of Pacific sky. At Auckland, New Zealand, 3,800 miles away from the scene of the blast, New Zealanders said the ocean showed a reflection that was blood red. “The scientists present at the scene were dreadfully shaken,” said Eddy. “They thought they had set the heavens aflame with a chain reaction of exploding atoms that would surely go around the world.” On returning from his mission, Captain Eddy asked to be transferred to another department of service and was given a position in the field of seismology, studying earthquakes back in the South Pacific. Cantelon pg 91-92
That there is a connection between atom bombs and earthquakes might sound humorous to some, but the facts allow little room for humour or ridicule.
On an island called Amchitka, southwest of Anchorage, Alaska, man sank a 53-inch shaft deep into the heart of the ground. On September 6, 1971, man created the largest man-made earthquake in history. The bomb he detonated in the island of Amchitka was 250 times more powerful than the one that had been dropped on Hiroshima. The explosion rocked not only the island of Amchitka; it caused the earth to tremor on the other side of the globe.
Professor Marcus Baath in Uppsala, Sweden, declared that the underground blast from Alaska caused his Richter scale to show a 7.4 earth tremor—in Sweden! ibid
and now look what we are doing to outer-space. To learn of the Genesis probe sent out to the sun of all places and nuclear powered is a gamble that I for one cannot accept. If something were to go wrong and what damage the sun what are they going to do? say sorry? Oppps? and how to fix the mistakes?
What, send out a team of astronauts like in the movie Sunshine? What a great movie!!!
I’m quite surprised actually that God has so far kept quite well not really given the teachings about weather as a military weapon in the hands of its Creator. A primer here:
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So much truth in the words what a man sows he shall reap and it is my firm opinion the final whirlwinds of His coming approaches.
I would say the best answer to irreducible complexity would be repurposing. Of course, we need to go on a case by case analysis.
@Peter Moritz. In all seriousness, you have given here the best marginal comment or scholiast on the Darwin’s final paragraph in The Origin of the Species. I quote from memory:
“How blind, blundering, wasteful and unutterably cruel are the workings of Nature. Yet from life, death and rebirth, from famine, disease and strife, arise beings most wonderful”.
I would suggest that, like Darwin (who was originally destined for theological studies) one ought to “accept these things in a spirit of wonder rather than contradiction”.
As for my own opinion, brought up as a Christian I never cease to wonder at the existential depth of the Christian paradox: God shared the pain of his own creation (Greek “kreatos” being made of flesh) and died (under “the cruellest form of torture ever designed by the perverted ingenuity of humankind”) crying out, “Eli! Eli! Lamah sabachthani?”.
I do not think evolutionists should be ashamed by their theory being imperfect. None of applied theories are.
S.E.T. having a number shortcomings and lacunae? Sure. But the alternative? It is a one large homogenous lacuna.
Where an evolutionist would say “i don’t know, we did not manage to invent a plausible scenario yet” a creationist would say “it was made by unthinkable means with an unthinkable purpose by an unthinkable Highest Creature”. How is it better?
And where an evolutionist would say “we do know” a creationist would again say about triple unthinkable. How is even that yet better?
Now, about rhinos, this was a cringe…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway
This hypothesis was formulated hundred years ago. To be devoted critic of evolutionism and failing to know it should be improbable. To know it yet avoid mentioning it would be dishonest.
Let us first answer the question of our origins, before we start asking others. No point in asking “Where does God come from?” If we don’t know where we come from.
Replace God with your own version of our Creator, or some higher power than put us on this rock we call Earth.
“The problem of irreducible complexity arises when a biological system consisting of several interacting parts would have no useful purpose if one of the parts were missing. ”
“If any one of these parts is absent, the mechanism is entirely useless,”
Is simply wrong.
A sting without venom, or venom without a sting, or a venomous sting withourt a pump, are all potentially “useful”. Just as eye without a lens or a hand without a thumb is useful.
Do you have any *actual* examples of “a biological system consisting of several interacting parts [that] would have no useful purpose if one of the parts were missing?”
Because you haven’t provided one yet.
I’m waiting.
through a complex system of slow evolution over long periods of time “man” was formed, appeared. And as man is on top of the evolutionary cycle he thinks nothing can surpass him. Sorry if “man”came after the monkey then X will come after man. Who will stop evolution ? The creature that is itself a product of evolution ? Let us look at what “man” has done with the earth out of which he appeared and what “man” does to his own species. It seems nothing is more beastly then “man” Some say ” man” is a regression. As for me waiting to evolve into a new species that is less beastly then present day “man”
I have at several ocations had stints of teaching biology to classes of pupils in what would have been “junior high school” if in North America. Including short foraighes into the Darwinian theory of evolution and natural selections. At several instances, very bright young pupils — whether Christians or not — objected to the Darwinian line of thinking. At no point did I take refuge in any of the three retorts Fred tells about, but had eaningful discussions with the classes, which they found interesting — and likewise I.
The author uses the term ‘Darwinist’ to belittle and sideline real science and theory regarding the evolution of species in much the same way Theists use ‘Atheist’ to denigrate those that are unconvinced of the existence of any supreme (much less a benevolent) god. Pejorative labels meant to classify thinking people and researchers as just more cultists. I did enjoy the article. Especially the rambling queries as to the ‘rightness’ or ‘neatness’ of species evolution, which after all just don’t make sense to the author and therefore are proof of the satanic perfidy of evolutionary science and theory. I anxiously await the author’s treatise on the flat earth. Cheers.
I always enjoy reading Fred. Controversial and irreverent. He used to pop up in the Unz Review, now he’s here. Good move, Saker.
Evolution or creation? No idea, but either way we’re here now.
One thought about the monkey ancestor thing: When the medical fraternity needs to find organs most compatible with humans, don’t they look to pigs?
Recently I have read reports about experiments being conducted on “humanized” mice. The visuals are compelling – little lab mice running around with human faces?
A recommendation which may well be helpful is ‘The Collapse of Chaos’ by Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart.
ISBN 0-14-029125-3
It covers a lot of ground outside this more focused question but does provide some interesting questions as well as analysis concerning these types of concerns. Some which may be considered a little off beat by some.
The structure might also be a little off putting. Split into two distinct sections in which the chapters of the second part present mirrors of the first half – which is mainly a plough through the conventional reductionist physics, which can be a bit heavy going? For example; A first half chapter ‘The Possibilities of Evolution’ is inverted in the second half Chapter ‘The Evolution of Possibilities’; and so on.
Well worth sticking to for some interesting and valuable insights.
Evolutionists like to believe they are the sharpest dudes in the room, when it seems they just take us back to Fred Flintstone.
‘Planetary rock, arises in Big Bang, from Nothing’.
‘Rock make complex consciousness, such as human mind, over billions of years. Rock is smart’!
‘Universe is simple. Just trust the appearance to your physical senses, appearing in the waking dimension of consciousness’.
See ‘Creation Theories for Simpletons’!
Transforming one species into another – Natural selection and the law of Sparta – Sexually reproductive instinct: give man a little more bread and om will multiply, and racial science, kill unwanted members and sections of the population, then medical direct killing Right to Death, then society must make sure that only the healthy give birth to children – The problem of population, surplus population in Europe is the conquest of foreign countries due to national survival for possession of more land and here it splits Africa, and all peoples who lived by nature are exterminated. And here we are today.
Great thought provoking article and comments too
I would make an analogy that us human beings are somewhat akin to a super computer that has all of the information about how it was created including how the component parts originated in the ground and were extracted, who extracted them and how they lived.
This computer has it all figured out in a very logical manner and is even able to reproduce itself given the electro mechanical manufacturing systems it controls, as long as humans willingly support these systems.Here the Human being is the “Creator and sustainer.
There is of course the fact that all of this has come from evolution of the sciences,
which of course are part of human evolution in themselves.
Evolution is something that we can observe on a daily basis and all of this is amazing.
When we get into the complexity of the earth itself, spinning in a system, part of a galaxy hurtling through time and space at who knows what speed, we must stand in awe of the power that allows us to behave so badly on the earth,power with seemingly infinite patience.
If we were a super computer described above, behaving in such a manner as some current humans are, someone in the support system would surely stop the super computer’s malfunction.
Playing Creator/Destroyer.
Thankfully the real Creator allows us consciousness , and sustains us every moment.
Happy new year to all here
“I ask Darwin’s minions to tell me how this elaborate arrangement evolved. The reader will note that in all the fury and contempt and vile remarks about my maternal ancestry, the Darwinists…
Won’t answer the question.”
This is one of my favorite things to do if i am bored or the other person bores me😂
You are 100% right, they Never answer🤷♂️😂
Glad to see i am not alone having a twisted sense of humor and love of logic.
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Science – a methodology – manifests as a practice by discrete human individuals. Probably the best common approach to figuring out how things work, as long as it is conducted with rigor and intellectual honesty. And the conclusions thereby derived are subject to change and revision as new information accrues. There are still many areas of inquiry we just don’t really understand, or yet have the capacity to realistically investigate. It’s possible to admit to mystery without lapsing into some sort of religious hysteria.
Here are a few tantalizing thoughts from some giants in the field that may apply here:
“The total number of minds in the Universe is One. In fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings.” – Erwin Schrödinger
“I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness.” – Max Planck
“Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” – Neils Bohr
How about “2 + 2 = 4”? The very definition of unquestionable, self-evident truth. If it refers to quantities of countable objects I’ll grant it; but just a little thought will show that as a general mathematical statement it’s nonsense. Yet all of mathematics rests on an equivalent axiom, 1+1=2. This is a cause of unbelievable confusion in our children, and only those who acquire a disciplined tolerance for bullshit can get past it and get labeled smart and worthy.
Raise this at a meeting of mathematicians or math teachers? Show an alternative that works better – much better? You might as well be arguing for the virtues of atheism in a seminary.
“a little thought will show that as a general mathematical statement it’s nonsense”
Care to show why it is nonsense?
HC, firs of all, as any second grader has to learn, you can’t add apples and oranges, unless yyou invent a new inclusive category, like fruit. But what is two apples and two bad ideas?
And what about the 2’s in 1/2 and 1/2?
I could go on, but perhaps you remember how difficult it was to learn and remember order of operations?
This begs the question “what is a number?” Many mathematicians have tried and failed to answer this. With one exception- Isaac Newton- the best anyone could come up with is “an abstraction of quantity”, which solves nothing.
Newton, in a “ Treatise on Arithmetick” (1700) defines number as a “relationship between quantities”, a much more powerful starting place, but one on which as far as i can tell no one else has followed up until very recently.
This yields a math that dissolves students’ difficulties in understanding division, fractions, the distributive principle, “word problems” and much more. Students and elementary teachers love and thrive on it. Mathematicians react in pure horror.
Ok. Thanks for replying back.
Cheers.
Darwinism has become the modern cloak of Satanism. It is Satan in a lab coat, teaching, ‘The universe arose from Nothing, there is no God but Rocks, and the Law of Natural Selection is his only Son’.
This creation theory also only gains airtime as it suits those who create our monetary system as debts, bearing compound interest, the money for slaves, and another form of Satanism!
It is no coincidence then that the Age of Debt is also the Age where consciousness can only be described, in hushed tones, as ‘energy and information’.
Welcome to the Age of Darkness, hopefully leading to an Age of Awakening!
Has Fred left Unz.com also? If so I’m glad he’s found somewhere to post; he’s always been a favorite of mine. Saker, Fred, and possibly Linh Dinh leaving Unz is a shame – I always looked forward to their thoughts and enjoyed having them at one address. Just curious, what was the problem with the Unz site? The comments? Or the other writers?
I like it when Americans deny reality. What else does not exist, oh, great American?
Why do things, such as living organisms evolve ? What is it in them that can make them to evolve, e.g. by responds to other stimuli. How are they aware that there is something that impacts on them? Why do they evolve to “higher” organisms ? There seems to be a lot of luck in evolution
Winging it and many repeaters are high on the priority list too.
A question I ask the Darwin religious adherents… how does a living organism “know” it needs to reproduce to perpetuate it’s kind?
Nothing but silence.
A great many things are unanswered, hidden, omitted and ignored. Darwin wasn’t the first to come up with the idea of evolution, Lamarck did that 50 years earlier. Who has heard of him? However, neither one must have thought that this is the game changer, and that hundred years later all educated people will believe this as a dogma. In these days when the very foundation of Pax Americana is shaking we seem to be catching longer glimpses through the cracks in the narrative…
Thanks for all the great examples. My favourite is DNA, but it seems the world of entomology is rife with irreducible complexity. (I think some species of fish also have incredibly complex breeding cycles.)
It is quite striking, and unexpected from a Darwinist point of view, that there is no evidence of the evolution of DNA, and the smartness of its resilience to copy errors (which are supposed to be the motor of evolution) compares very favourably to what random 4-bit coding of amino-acids would yield. This comes in support of your argument about the implausibility of any stepwise evolution path.
What strikes me is that the standard Darwinist protects first and foremost an orthodoxy, even if some alternatives might actually be more promising challenges to intelligent design. I briefly watched a debate between Perry Marshall, the promoter of “evolution 2.0”, which agglomerates lots of alternative approaches to gene-centered incremental random changes. The reaction on the part of the Darwinists was nothing short of hysterical. The simple suggestion that something is smart or goal-directed in the way the cell uses the genome led to furious reactions. You could tell they were hearing blasphemy.
Dear Freed
One important issue it’s that evolution has tree principal characteristics: the large time to become a change, the influencie of the environment and lack of prediction of the way that cloud be take these evolutionary transformation.
It made me reflect on the illusion that as people we have of our apparent evolution, (at most development) through effort, meritocracy and other immediate resources, when compared to the evolution that your publication deals with. We are part of the whole. We are stardust.
Thanks for share this words. 👍🤗