by Chris Faure for the Saker Blog
Every English media in China today ledes with the news that in an interview with CNN, the leader of the Taiwan region, Tsai Ing-wen, admitted to the presence of US military trainers on the island for the first time. The first reports stated ‘soldiers’, but were soon edited to ‘trainers’.
Global Times bellowed back: Redline: US troops must not station in Taiwan
In People’s Daily Online it is expressed like this: Commentary: Washington should stop playing with fire on Taiwan
It is wall-to-wall commentary in the media. As The Saker expresses for the case of the presumed Bayraktar strike, Russia is compelled to act as if it happened, for political reasons.
In this case, China must also act. Their people are up in arms and the media is writing up to three editorials in one day on this issue alone.
In Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference today, he confirmed the official position but with a throwaway line attached. The readout is:
The one-China principle is the political foundation of China-US relations. On the Taiwan question, the US should abide by the one-China principle and the stipulations of the three China-US joint communiqués, rather than unilaterally concoct anything. We firmly oppose official and military ties in any form between the US and the Taiwan region, and oppose the US’ interference in China’s internal affairs. The US vessels have repeatedly flexed its muscles to make provocations and stir up troubles in the Taiwan Strait in recent times, sending gravely wrong signals to the “Taiwan independence” forces and threatening cross-Strait peace and stability. The international community is clear-eyed about who is engaging in “coercion” on the Taiwan question.
The cross-Strait reunification is an overriding historical trend and the right course, while “Taiwan independence” is a retrogression leading to a dead end. The DPP authorities’ acts of seeking “Taiwan independence” can not change the iron-clad fact that Taiwan is a part of China, neither will it shake the international community’s universal and firm commitment to the one-China principle. Those who forget their heritage, betray their motherland, and seek to split the country will come to no good end.
Seeking “Taiwan independence” leads to a dead end. So does supporting “Taiwan independence”. No country and no one should underestimate the resolve, the will, and the ability of the Chinese people to defend their national sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Otherwise, they will suffer another defeat.
This news comes against the backdrop of a call to boycott the Olympics and also Blinken’s issued statement: “Taiwan’s meaningful participation in the UN system is not a political issue, but a pragmatic one”.
This led to an immediate statement by Ma Xiaoguang, a spokesman for the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council:
The UN is an international intergovernmental organization composed of sovereign states. Taiwan is a part of China and the People’s Republic of China is the only legitimate government representing the whole of China. Taiwan has no right to join the UN.
This is the political pressure and efforts at destabilization as China enters its last 100 days to prepare for the Olympics.
What will be the response? I don’t know but there will be one. The media asks for ‘punishment’ for Tsai Ing-wen.
There is a similarity of tactics that the USA is deploying against both Russia and China in terms of Ukraine and Taiwan.
You could even say that the Taiwan provocation goes hand-in-glove with the Ukraine provocation. Both war fronts are being orchestrated by America and its proxies.
And the timing of both these provocations has a lot to do with the reality that the Ponzi Scheme American and Western economies are headed for implosion with supply chain issues, product shortages, and rising (hyper) inflation–as well as the bursting of the Mother of All Bubbles, the quadrillion dollar Derivatives Bubble.
This is the unspoken economic context of these war provocations.
I think that China should increase the pace of De-Dollarization and start a steady but increasing sell-off its US Treasury bonds holdings.
That will serve to warn America of the catastrophic economic consequences of continuing its devious games.
‘start a steady but increasing sell-off its US Treasury bonds holdings.’
this has already been ongoing for many months, punctuated by one month breather, and it was back again… china is not answering phones call from USA and has not approve any USA officials into the country, definitely not BeiJing. think milleygate!!!!
the Ma from taiwan said the condition for land reclamation has been fulfilled, right after TW cabbage did the cnn (white ppl) interview.
bwbs
How essential to Chinese security are those US bonds? The IMF loans and the US bonds are the leverage the West has on developing nations to get them to hurt their economies and social stability.
Not only Taiwan and Ukraine but things seem to be heating up in other simmering areas too.
Israel/Iran
Serbia
Syria
Could be that the plan is to initiate military action in all these and more areas.
I feel the same way about Hezbollah…. Hezbollah’s meaningful participation in the UN system is not a political issue, but a pragmatic one.
What say?
agreed. ditto for Kurds, Afghans, Kashmir, all indigenous First Nations peoples in the USA.
The Financial Empire seeks a response from China to escalate. However, China is smart to not take the bait. Remember, in early 2022, China will be holding Winter Olympics. Also, it will hold its 20th National Party Congress, shaking up the top echelon of Chinese politics, later in 2022. The Empire wants to create problems like it did during the 2008 Beijing Olympics (08.08.08). No surprise here.
“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time.”
– Leo Tolstoy
Tsai Ing-wen has education from London School of Economics & Cornell. Most of the Imperialist Empire’s agents are educated like her in the U$A and UK, particularly LSE/Oxford and the Ivy League. This is a good way to identify Empire’s agents. Why appoint them as administrators? They are no leaders.
The best strike against the Empire has been that it has ran out of luck! A reckoning with reality is on deck. How much later is a very good question. Then unraveling of fictionalization, falsification & financialization will begin! What has been hidden will be revealed!
Tolstoy was a plagiarist and zionist. Sun Tsu was the first to opine time can be made to be a warrior. That’s right, a Chinese general, thousands of years earlier.
The USA is on its last legs. China has now multiple means to accelerate the US demise, other than war.
Westerners are woefully ignorant. In a recent, unofficial, informal poll of over 1000 US-born university students, none could say how Taiwan was created to be a quasi-nation of Chinese people. None knew the involvement of the US to support Chen Kai Chek and how the US created the govt of Republic of China. None knew the simple fact the TW/PRC issue is the result of a yet-to-be-resolved civil war: a war in which the US was extensively involved. None knew TW was in fact part of Imperial China for a thousand years, before the brutal invasion of Japan 1890-1940, and the subsequent US satrap 1940 onwards. None knew the fact China has never signed a Treaty to relinquish its rights to TW. None knew the actual meaning of a Treaty!
Profound ignorance such as found on campuses, combined with zionist, monopolised media, is a recipe for disaster. China and Russia are entirely correct not to bite the US bait. Americans will, some day long into the future, thank them for it.
The Chinese stance is a profound source of encouragement and outright joy. Time to annex the place and give the Exceptionals and Indispensables the stark choice of having their ships sunk with or without their crews. Be sure to enjoy the ensuing screamfest among the moronic majority US population. US mercenaries fled Afghanistan with the tail between their legs and now the same is about to happen in Taiwan only three months later. I think the Chinese could make some quite hefty profits by exporting substantial quantities of Fentanyl for consolation and some peace of mind.
”This news comes against the backdrop of a call to boycott the Olympics”
They tried to make use of the very same 100% dull, pretentious, unimaginative ”Party Line” in 2018 as a means to ”punish Russia” for the Skripal hoax: Boycott of the World Cup (or have it relocated to Britain). China should annex Taiwan and continue with the Olympics regardless of the ”hurt emotions” Taiwan’s annexation might elicit.
Annex: add (territory) to one’s own territory by appropriation.
Please think about what you are saying and choose your words more carefully. Taiwan is an inalienable part of China.
Yes, that’s correct but there is a difference which certainly makes the term absolutely nonsensical in Crimea’s case but less so in Taiwan’s: There is no overwhelming majority of Taiwanese in favour of reunification with mainland China. Of course they will come to terms with it after the fact, but I think it would be appropriate, honest, and — yes — funny if China declared that ”Taiwan has been annexed strictly in accordance with international law”.
Not “annexed” but restored.
“There is no overwhelming majority of Taiwanese in favour of reunification…”. Depends on the terms of that reunification. If by playing the USA off against the PRC, Taiwan can extract from the latter an offer of a very nice deal, well that could change very quickly. Especially given the rapidly accelerating disintegration of the USA.
In the end, the problem will subside by itself. The die-hards siding with the dissolving US Empire will leave Taiwan, and no one will stop or miss them.
Tactically, if the US puts significant troops on Taiwan, arms them and disperses them around the island, they become prisoners when the missiles fly and sink the US surface vessels.
If they are clustered in bases, they become casualties when the missiles fly.
The US is not going to put a tripwire troop insertion because it will end in nuclear exchange.
Is Taiwan worth losing the Pacific Fleet, all its Asia Pacific bases and most of the West Coast of the US?
(China will suffer much worse in the nuclear exchange, but let’s look just at the costs to the US.)
So, the US can put 1000 SOF on the island, but that won’t deter China.
What sounds like the approach China may take after the Olympics next winter is a decapitation strike to capture Taipei and imprison or kill the DDP leadership.
This would be a large scale special forces operation. 500-1000 with thousands more following on.
Meanwhile, a surrender of major units of the ROC military. Eventually, 50,000 PLA to Taipei and 50,000 to Taichung. Sleeper cells already in progress would rise up and sabotage any resistance. Airports and airfields would be primary targets for PLA to capture so transports could fly in the PLA troops.
A few ports and landing spots will be secured and heavy vehicles will be inserted.
The island is a citadel that will be very difficult to “clear” of resistance, but it is not an impregnable target.
The government of the ROC will be gone, and it will happen swiftly.
Sadly for the Taiwanese they are counting on US protection and rescue.
That won’t happen.
For the Chinese, I would suggest they put a human shield atop the buildings housing the semi-conductor industry. The US will likely missile strike TSMC and other companies making wafers, chips, etc.
It’s all sad and unnecessary, but the US refuses to compete. It insists on ruling as King-Hegemon. Taiwan is just a pawn in the game. Expendable at the end.
If the US attacks the microchip manufacturing base in Taiwan, doesn’t that end the US economy the next day? There are already huge issues with microchip shortages causing all sorts of havoc in the supply chains. Take most of the production capacity offline and where does that leave them? I’m sure the US is doing something stupid like outsourcing military chip manufacturing offshore.
Really, any move by the US at this point against Russia, China or even Iran is a terminal move. China certainly has the power to apply wreck the US with soft power and doesn’t even need to get kinetic. In an existential crisis, Russia can turn off the lights in Europe, which would lead to an imperial meltdown. And Iran can use some kinetic action to disrupt the world oil markets sufficiently to crater the US and European economies. Escalating up to a nuclear confrontation and the US and Europe are gone, and China and Russia would certainly hunt down the leaders in their New Zealand and Patagonian rat holes.
It’s checkmate. The only rational move is accepting the 500 or so year run of Western dominance has reached it’s end point and to restructure around a multi-polar world that is going to naturally be very China leaning. The US and Europe might still be able to retain some degree of moderate prosperity if they play nice and constructive. Anything else is a dead end, and probably a very literal death. The hysterics and theatrics cannot accomplish anything else at this point. It is either step in the ring and take your beating or throw in the towel, scratch the fight and move into another line of business.
Unless I am missing something, escalating to world war necessarily means no future for western powers. So what am I missing, besides the fact that these people are delusional, completely insane, sociopathic and otherwise completely out of touch with reality? I can see where the middle management (e.g. the government talking heads) are delusional, but presumably someone among their masters has both a sense of self-preservation and is grounded enough in reality to read which way the wind is blowing here. Are they drinking their own Koolaid on the UAPs and think that they actually possess some functional alien craft? Do they think they’re going to use some Chinese and Russian specific bioweapons to wipe them out? Do they think if they sacrifice enough children to their demon gods that they will favor them? I’m truly confused. Is accepting that you can’t rule the world but can still make some money really that totally unacceptable?
For the Chinese, I would suggest they put a human shield atop the buildings housing the semi-conductor industry. The US will likely missile strike TSMC and other companies making wafers, chips, etc.
That’s a creative proposal! Who should be the human shields? The separatist leadership, or POWs from US + Japanese + NATO + 5 Eyes military?
xD HA Ha v nice DL v v v nice :D
dont forget the alleged 20k strong foreign agent spies!!! surely NK can cough up a few more too to contribute to the western evening news broadcast – they are so begging for ‘exposure’ these days (which is never a good thing! NKKimmy, pls go back and watch your NBA)
anyway, dear Amarynth dear, mayb i really need to get to the ‘homework’ :) you will see much much much clearer what all these erratic chess move is really really really about (inc VVP visit to ASEAN – pls honourable VVP pls set up the russian marriage agency I wanna marry back to mother russia!!! russian sex bots need battery and energy and its getting too expensive for that now! xD HA Ha)
… but thats the white ppl national security grade stuff (and I didnt use any inverters commas here – so its real national security grade stuff though not really just a piece of overprice expensive flying junk)
well, I will sit comfy a lil bit mor and check the wind blows… there’s the ‘other’ topic that I want to fightclub you too (another hilarious ‘friday’ comedy)
well, I definitely cannot show you the 10sec clip of certain army boys practising ‘land reclamation’ formation like at 2 am when everyone is asleep, on the island, and has been for months!!!
Still, still still, listen to mua!!! the most dangerous thing is… not CCP or even standing committee of CCP… definitely not the dirty dozen of foreign spies in TW. the most dangerous thing, as I hv share w you b4, is the chinese internet ppl, Billions of them, demanded ‘restore of the motherland’ and cleanse of the ‘historical humiliation’ and whatever else extreme-emotional-expression! as you know, CCP advertised itself as ‘service to ThePpl (of china)’, and they love saving face. these chinese internet ppl span several generations, from those who survive the war, those who work hard to rebuild the country, and those young one who look up to the CCP china as they advertise themselves to be defender of the motherland (and that border of motherland inc TW), they are seeing if mother and father will fulfil their promises. do da math!!!
so a tiny chippy chip does actually sway that much!!! dear Amarynth dear!
doesnt help when the white media/foreign press/foreign policy/foreign military ‘missions’ still thinks their failed propaganda still works like the old charm! for god sake, pls try smth new!!! freaking one trick pony!!! i dunno may check if is-real does hv nuk?!! smth Yuge to divert the attention from your domestic collapsing ‘news’!
Take extra extra Extra care there dear Amarynth dear :)
thats all I can say now :(
bwbs
didnt take that much to flush em out, did it?!!! and you tell me they are not one-trick-pony TPTwannaB? and they think they can win the war against the only civilization that opine the Art of War???? xD HA Ha so funny :D
‘Poison Frogs’: US Urged To Make Taiwan Islands Too ‘Painful’ For China To Seize In Response To War Game Results
thanks to them, now, everybody, in the whole world, knows their dirty laundry (war game plus choke point locations) and the alleged ‘washing powder’ (intent for invasion) !!! SO can we say… markings of another white supremacist war crime booked?!!!
hey you Genius when will china take the island???
b4 cny or after cny?
take another bait?!!! I mean, bite??? xD HA Ha
I didnt even say which island. mayb its hawaii??? or greenland???
xD HA Ha
OMG!!!! MetaME!!! (white-filtered virtual war game right? :D)
bwbs
p.s pls read – Why I see a war in the Donbass as (almost) inevitable – if you hvnt! super important!!!
Dai Weiwei
@WEIWEIDAI4
China threatens in Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
China collpases in Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday
It is Friday today.
https://twitter.com/WEIWEIDAI4/status/1453863434735419398
xD HA Ha
so what happens on Sunday? we confess our sins to god and wash clean for next wk’s rinse and repeat? one trick pony!
bwbs
p/s scroll down if you want to check out some XinJiang news and other china stuff :)
just saw this on the chinese twit and I want to share w you :)
–> This is my thought after watching the program of the TW ex-diplomat J. Democracy is a political system, One party system is also a political system. They appear and were born out of the cultural and history, even geography unique circumstances, and of course they are also influence by the foreign factors, but i think they are the same, we should not use simple minded comparison, because they are laws and principles (of that particular ppl group), the important thing is if those laws and principles can move the country and bring ppl to a better future. All political systems has its strength and weakness, so as a leader of the country, how to lean and use its strength (of those laws and principles) to lead the country and the ppl to be rich and strong, and minimise the weakness, and not use and abuse the weakness to bring benefit for the leaders alone. simply said, political systems are just a tool, the glory and prosperity of the nation and the ppl is the end goal, and to secure a safer and better future. But now, a lot of the world leaders are using and abusing this tool, propagandising how their political systems are the only right one, how great it is, but nobody is actually doing work, or they simply use the political systems for their own selfish benefit (at the cost of the country and the ppl) <–
WoW! Ponder Deep!!!
Suddenly Missing the One and Only – Power to The Ppl!!! – John Lennon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HXO_T5SVA
bwbs
China does not need to do all that.
All it needs to do sends in a dozen planeload of administrators,police and military officers and announce that the senior management of Taiwan are being helped by advisors.
And then announce that the process of reunification is in progress.
Agree with that. No matter how ‘prepared’ they claim to be, once the top military and and political elites are taken out/arrested, the military will have no other option but to capitulate. As Mike Tyson put it, “Everybody has a plan until getting punched in the face”.
HI Saker, is it possible that the US government wants to goad China into military action against Taiwan after it declares independence, then sit back and allow China to take it uncontested. Sure the US would be embarrassed by the fall of Taiwan (just as they were embarrassed by the fall of Afghanistan). But they could then use the forcible reintegration of Taiwan as a casus belli for a new Cold War with China, demanding that the other Western states immediately brake their economic and political ties with China. Biden would be an ideal patsy to be blamed for the “Fall of Taiwan” and the US would be able to force international manufacturing back into the US (at least for the states that follow the US into its’ league of isolation). Realistically speaking, the US is in no position to militarily (or even economically) fight China while also importing 40% of all consumer goods from China. The US would need to break the economic ties first, reindustrialize its economy for domestic needs, then sally forth to confront China (that would take at least 10yrs). The US needs a catalytic event to push them into the position of being able to break those relationships with China before it can confront China, a Taiwan crisis might be that event
War in the Ukraine. Baltics, Caspian – Russia gets sucked in whole-heartedly. Europe, vs Russian Federation, Belarus. Pretty clear, simple straight. Wont go nuclear, but be mostly conventional. Missiles.
War in the greater Middle East between Iran, Hezbollah, Syria – the axis of resistance vs GCC countries. Israel will pretend to be not be involved, but good luck with that. Again, this will be conventional when Iran tests a small nuclear device in their mountains. There will be ground fighting and missile war mostly. Heavy U.S. involment on the Israeli/GCC side.
North Africa, war that will suck in Egypt, Sudan vs. Ethiopia and very possibly getting Libya involved on the side of Egypt, Sudan. This is largely about one one the world’s biggest dams since Ethiopia doesnt want to play ball. Ethiopia has already started filing the giant dam. Libyans, Sudanese and most certainly Egyptians are like brothers. The U.S. will drag in some proxies and some of their own service members thru Africacomm to fight with Ethiopia, and other proxies.
India will be, and will get its wish of a severe punishment from China conventionally outflanked massively by China’s overwhelming superiority in military hardware, division after divisions of light, heavy tanks, light and heavy artillery, air superiority and every aspect of war making material to make war and win. Pakistan will be there for the after- party. Liberating Kashmir of course. Chinese and Pakistani formations will meet outside New Delphi, waiting for terms of surrender. The Chinese have built a hardened network of solid, wide, fortified roads just for the occasion they know clearly is coming up. These roads go from jump – off bases inside inner China to the China-India border. India doesnt. China can bring up heavy divisions of tanks, artillery etc to the border fight and punch a massive, debilitating, and crushing gap, with so many initial encirclements to render the Indian front- line formations utterly useless. The Indians have at best dirt roads to try and salvage the situation. At best unfortunately for them. And the U.S. can maybe, just maybe bring a trickle to bear in this theatre. The U.S. will be too busy elsewhere. This will be conventional, no nukes, and after the missiles, its largely over quick.
Mainland China will quickly overwhelm its island of Taiwan rather quickly with decapitations’ on various levels. First, and foremost, China will unleash the most intense missile bombardment in human history on certain areas and positions in Taiwan since the suburbs of Berlin in 45′ and all folks will hear on both sides is what will become known as ‘ Xi’s Organs ‘ . The mainland will minimize loss off life where it can, after all, they want the culprits alive, and not to alienate the good folks of Taiwan, nor look to vicious to the world. But it will be most devastating indeed. The first 72 hours will be nothing but missiles heading to their targets in Taiwan,causing mass surrender, flight from posts, exchange of clothes to civilian clothes( very much like Afghanistan), and commotion and bewilderment and disarray.
The U.S.is in a tight spot with this one. Most likey, after the 72 hours and the smoke clears, its anyones guess whether air forces will get ito one on one, or the U.S. air force will target the PLA assets. Because at this point, the cats alraedy out of the bag and to go up against a nation of 1.4.billion, even with the rest, Australia EU etc would be suicidal for the dollar, just to start. And there is a high degree of nationalism in China right nowand the total unification of Hong Kong was a success. The Taiwanese leadership are in a tight spot because the 1.4 billion Chinese are totally for reunification, while the social situation in the west cumbersome, much division between races, classes. Its very bad and getting worse.
There is word that the U.S. Navy and the PLAN are doing much along the straight. One underwater nuke could lead to a devastating nuclear exchange between the two nations. It was Mao who told the U.S. leadership of the time that China would win a nuclear exchange primarily dueto fact of numbers alone. Population numbers. Now you have the electrical grid in the U.S. about to shut down due to being overtaxed, thats not a nation raedy for nuclear war, nor is Australia ready. Nor is Japan etc. So, the reunification of the mainland and the island will be conventional. There will be a call in the Pentagon among the brass to give it up and fix the country now, as best as possible.
China, the PLAN have modified certain giant reinforced container ships to cross the straight as quickly as physically possibly , perhaps ferrying over hundreds of thousands in tiered waves. First wave will be , along with the ones that come through flight and are considered commandos, spec ops, engineers, men to shut down communication systems and other critical infrastructure on the island, second tier, then third……..etc.
By then, there should, or would / will have been an honest surrender. Unconditionally.
The PLA Air Force vs Taiwan /U.S. Air Forces will largely dodge one another I believe unless the gloves come off like ships start to sink, and thousands are starting to die. Also, It would take the U.S. literally 3 three fast moving months just to start to arm the island, one year of quick mobilization to seriously get the show on the road, and mainland China would just not stand for that one minute. We are alraedy seeing the noise over a brigade of Advisors. Btw, I do believe the Chinese mainland Military Intelligence leaked that story. Playing the same story the Pentagon/CIA play.
One last thing about ‘ XI ‘s Organ ‘s ‘ , it is widely estimated that in the event of total war, North Korea could saturate Seoul with upwards of 20,000 shells a minute. Now imagine what the great Chinese mainland of China has, and can do with its short/medium range missiles and shells.
As Salaam Wa Alekum, Peace Be Upon You
> As Salaam Wa Alekum, Peace Be Upon You
Ironic after all the war mongering and talk of trashing non-Muslim nations.
Will this massively warlike behavior of China occur before or after its economic and resulting social collapse? They’ll be right behind the Empire in that regard. Could be quite a mess. Will Xi hang alongside Biden?
So you got a problem with China defending itself from western aggression?
China isn’t collapsing anytime soon, stop listening to that cuck Gordon Chang
Taiwan, Formosa, whatever; that little island has been a bit of a political football throughout history. Actually, I prefer it if world leaders would grow up, and quit playing games. Right now because of this mess that is being manufactured, this so called “supply chain” crisis (which I suspect is really just an augment of this current China/Taiwan spat), I’m having trouble getting the bicycle parts I need. The bike shop is telling me they can’t get their orders filled. Yes, there are more important things in this world than what flag is flying on top of a government building on some island in the Pacific.
p.s. China’s recent hypersonic missile test reminds me of a story; a Chinese legend one might say. Some umpteen thousand years ago, not too long after Sun Tzu wrote his book, (if my memory serves me well), the warring nations in what is now China developed long range arrows. Back then, the inability to defend against fast flying projectiles rendered all other war tactics and defenses useless. Upon this realization, the warring nations came to peaceful terms with one another which brought about the creation of a unified China. May history repeat itself?
What will be the response?
Nothing, more empty rethoric by servants of Blackrock.
I note claim by the admittedly hyperbolic Hal Turner that 2 Los Angeles class subs made quick calls to load “something” very recently at San Diego. Crews did not leave the boats. San Diego ? Geewhiz, what’s kept at San Diego? For myself, I wonder what cargo, what weapon. It does not seem logical that the boats would not already have all the diabolical gadgets… One does not go to sea in such platform loaded by “blanks”, but who can say? Perhaps they needed special parts to make weapons “attack ready”.
Martyanov recently speaks to “flame datum” and subs, with equations. (see smoothie)
It’s obvious, generally, that the fascists are starting a bigbig war. And the general frame seems to suggest that the rodeo starts any day.
This should fix any US supply chain problems, by liquidating the supply chain entirely. Deflect blame. Deflect mid-term elections too “regret necessity to postpone elections” and all that drivel.
Is foolish to attempt to bluff China and Russia. Flat stupid to attack either Civilizational State. But one might suppose that delusional ideologues are both. “Film at 11” as they used to say during the Vietnam fubar.
BTW the very long drama Crossing Yalu speaks to, by implication, the alignments of Chinese people behind war, ergo the CCP has calculated that “it” is going to happen. Propaganda always telegraphs intent.
The ultimate red line for The People’s Republic of China (Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó’) would be in case Tsài Yīngwén or any other executive leader of The Republic of China (Zhōnghuá minguó’) Changed that name to “The Republic of Táiwan” (Táiwān minguó’) — or even “Republic of Formosa”. That would immediately provoke a demand in Mainland China for an inwation of such a presumed renegade island republic. Remember there has now hardly been any real weaponized splash in or along the Táiwan strait for nearly 60 (sixty) years. Aside from that, they can get along just hunky dory for thirty more years if so be.
Many countries and individuals refer to a certain Middle Eastern state as “the zionist entity”. Maybe China should start referring to Taiwan as “the splittist entity”.
I’m uncomfortable thinking of CCP as the Savior Nation And Sweetheart of the Rodeo. After their treatment of Tibet, xinxiang (sp) and Hong Kong….
Stop being brainwashed by western propaganda
What does that mean “the media is asking for punishment of Tsai Ing Wen”?
Yes, Taiwan is part of China. U.S go home! Take care of your people and let other countries do the same. No war. No embargo. An army is meant to offer security to the country, not to try to rule the other countries as one empire.
Ellsberg released unredacted paper on nuke plans. https://ia800101.us.archive.org/10/items/The1958TaiwanStraitsCrisisADocumentedHistory_201712/1958-Taiwan-Straits-Crisis-Halperin.pdf
” Dulles as Secretary of State, was reported to have said later, “The Cuban Missile Crisis is often described as the first serious nuclear crisis; those of us who lived through the Quemoy crisis definitely regarded that as the first serious nuclear crisis.” The reasons for this will be obvious every few pages of this study.”
you read the papers? 808MB? its an awful lots of pages… whats in it?! anything that is still relevant today?! pls do share :)
Relevance is shown by Ellsberg himself. Scroll down until you get to:
Daniel Ellsberg: This Month We Must Discuss If We Should Go to Nuclear War Over Taiwan, Ukraine or Syria
/sitrep-here-comes-china-buried-lies-betrayals-viruses-nukes-and-a-plasma-sun/
dear amarynth dear thanks :)
chinese media is saying USA (not sure which dept) is saying they want to change their nuk policy to ‘no first strike’ but chi media also said europe immediately rise up and ‘object’ (since they already pay their protection fees and has been for decade)
xD Ha Ha
bwbs
Yes, I read the entire paper set.
I am sorry if this is difficult and time-consuming to read, but one must respect the authors’ far more difficult work, as well as their brave character.
I also watched the entire Yalu film, every second of roughly 28.7 hours, in order to grasp the intentions motivating the production…
And read the roughly 1,000 pages from Jeff Kaye on germ war @ medium. And so on…
There are no short-cuts.
all good Mr P :) I wont even borther if its not from you…
… but the webpage failed to load
then I try downloading the pdf and my comp crash…
thats why I ask if there is smth I am missing out since its from you :)
just me comp is super old or sm gremlins doing smth its heating up mor than usual these days
you are a true history observer Mr P
and a good one too :)
bwbs
Try starting with Ellsberg’s site> https://www.ellsberg.net/
https://www.ellsberg.net/taiwain-straits-quemoy-1958-nuclear/
Second highlight leads to> https://archive.org/details/The1958TaiwanStraitsCrisisADocumentedHistory_201712
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Thanks for the compliment, amigo. FYI I used to ditch school and hide at the public library, which was much nicer. Not boring. And I’m getting old…I remember Truman and Wallace.
The overarching sense of the “entire ground” is that revangist elements are now in power (FDR spoke of these people, and so did KGB when they reported on the Dallas business, and so did Smedley Butler in his testimony about the “business plot”. The Kennedy that runs children’s defense recently spoke of them too – and he called them baldly “nazis”. Their “gods” are power, death and money. But hustlers can never beat the mark inside – (Burroughs).
Interesting coincidences, like FDR dropping off just in time for “the bomb is for Russia” (Groves, 1944) MI6 set up the OSS and so on…”Atlantists” is the polite form…cryptofascist rather more accurate, though cryptonazi works.
Such power makes them crazy and ideological, incapable of reform, and the inescapable internal contradictions seal their doom. Of course that’s not very nice. In fact it’s classical tragedy.
Thanks again.
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I have to disagree with just about everybody on this board, comparing China’s utterly bogus claim on Taiwan to that of Russia’s legitimate claim on Crimea specifically and eastern Ukraine doesn’t hold up to historical scrutiny or to any known morality other than might makes right.
Hatred of the US on this board should not be conflated with searching some rough approximation of justice. The US under Obama meddled unjustly with Ukraine, [and Syria, and Libya and…well, let’s just say Obama and his fan club were the most active colonialist in US history], that is established fact.
Historically, Russia has every claim to both Crimea specifically and eastern Ukraine generally. The populations of both areas are primarily Russian and identify as Russian and are on record as having wanting to be part of Russia. In Crimea and eastern Ukraine the morality of self-determination and historical claims dovetail.
Taiwan on the other hand is the complete reverse, it’s INDEPENDENT history and people are some 3,000 years old. China only occupied Taiwan some 180 years and that, my dear friends, followed on the heels Portugal’s occupation of Taiwan, China’s “historical ties” to Taiwan are falsely portrayed by “thought leaders” who prey upon the gullible and those that are studiously ignorant of history.
1] China’s historical claim on Taiwan is less valid than England’s “historical” claim on Ireland or India and is just as colonial. The reason Japan is not entirely hated in Taiwan rests on the simple fact that Japan in 50 years did more infrastructure building than China did in 180 years of occupation. To watch so many here pontificate on the merits of China re-instituting colonial rule in Asia is revolting.
2] Until Taiwan was occupied by Chiang Kai-shek back in 1949, the Taiwanese were never considered by the Chinese, [or themselves], as Chinese and they still bridle at the denigration mainlanders put them through until recent times.
3] The Taiwanese most certainly don’t want to be part of China. Both Nixon to a degree and Jimmy Carter most imperiously went over the heads of the Taiwanese people, there is no moral justification for re-instituting colonial rule in Taiwanese.
Again, Russia is perfectly justified in it’s views, warnings and actions vis-à-vis Crimea, Ukraine and Black Sea. China vis-à-vis Taiwan is nothing more than a swagging colonial bully. It’s sad that the dufuses in DC have so mangled the world since 1991 that Russia is now tied to Xi’s Maoist colonial ambitions. The Black Sea region has no defensive value to the US, indeed the place is worthless to the USA, the current US policy is purely unjustified spite. Taiwan on the other hand, is well run country, a country that dragged itself out poverty, it has every right to national self-determination!