On January 20, @StateDept released a “fact sheet” (https://is.gd/QBgF3i) on the so-called Russian disinformation on Ukraine🤦♂️
☝️ Nothing written in that material withstands critical scrutiny.
⚡️ Here is our response to the above-mentioned “analytical” work. Hopefully, our American and NATO colleagues will make time to review it carefully.
Response to the US Department of State’s fact sheet Facts vs. Fiction: Russian Disinformation on Ukraine
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
False statements from the Putin regime blame the victim, Ukraine, for Russia’s aggression. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, occupies Crimea, controls armed forces in the Donbass, and has now amassed more than 100,000 troops on the border with Ukraine while President Putin threatens “retaliatory military-technical” measures if his demands are not met.
❗ Reality:
The blame for destabilising the situation in Ukraine lies entirely with the United States and other NATO countries, which supported the coup in February 2014, resulting in the toppling of the duly elected president and nationalists coming to power. Fearing for their own safety, residents of Crimea and Donbass chose not to live under the government of the followers of Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych. As a result, Crimea reunited with Russia, the Donetsk and Lugansk regions declared independence, and Kiev unleashed a civil war against Donbass, which continues to this day.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
Moscow instigated the current crisis by placing more than 100,000 troops on the border of Ukraine, with no similar military activity on the Ukrainian side of the border. Russian military and intelligence entities are targeting Ukraine with disinformation attempting to paint Ukraine and Ukrainian government officials as the aggressor in the Russia-Ukraine relationship. The Russian government is trying to trick the world into believing Ukraine’s behavior could provoke a global conflict and to convince Russian citizens of the need for Russian military action in Ukraine. Russia blames others for its own aggression, but it is Moscow’s responsibility to end this crisis peacefully through de-escalation and diplomacy. Moscow invaded Ukraine in 2014, occupies Crimea, and continues to fuel conflict in eastern Ukraine. This follows a pattern of Russian behavior of undermining the sovereignty and territorial integrity of countries in the region – invading and occupying parts of Georgia in 2008, and failing to honour its 1999 commitment to withdraw its troops and munitions from Moldova, where they remain without the government’s consent.
❗ Reality:
The Kiev authorities and the conniving West are trying to portray Russia as a party to the conflict in Donbass. However, in Paragraph 2 of the Package of Measures, the parties recognise Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk as parties to the conflict in relation to military issues and are further mentioned with regard to all other aspects of the settlement. Russia, in conjunction with the OSCE, is acting as a mediator in the Contact Group (CG) and the Normandy format alongside Germany and France.
The United States and NATO countries are doing so in order to divert the international community from their own military deployment in Ukraine. The armed forces of Ukraine and the Alliance are building up military activity in the immediate proximity to the Russian borders and conduct large-scale multinational military exercises. There will be 10 of them this year, which is codified in the law of December 14, 2021 on the admission to Ukraine of units of foreign armed formations in 2022. The law provides for a significant scale-up of exercises. In fact, the number of participants will double, and the quantity of materiel will increase by orders of magnitude.
These actions contradict Paragraph 10 of the Package of Measures, which provides for the withdrawal of all foreign armed formations from the territory of Ukraine.
The allegation that Russia has “occupied” parts of Georgia and refuses to withdraw its troops from Moldova is a sheer lie. Abkhazia and South Ossetia gained independence as a result of the aggressive policy of Tbilisi, and Russian troops are stationed there legitimately in accordance with bilateral agreements with these countries in order to stave off Georgian aggression. The completion of the withdrawal of troops from Transnistria depends on the settlement of the conflict between Chisinau and Tiraspol, which is enshrined in OSCE documents that were adopted with the participation of the United States.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
Deploying more than 100,000 Russian troops, including battle-hardened combat forces and offensive weaponry with no plausible innocuous explanation, to the borders of a country that Russia has previously invaded and still occupies in places is no mere troop rotation. It is a clear, renewed Russian threat to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. The buildup is paired with active disinformation measures designed to undermine confidence in the Ukrainian government and create a pretext for further Russian incursion.
❗ Reality:
Russia regularly conducts military exercises on its territory and carries out snap inspections of troops. Meanwhile, the United States deploys its armed forces and offensive arms in the countries of Eastern Europe several thousands of miles away from its national borders, thereby undermining European security and strategic stability. By sending weapons and military advisers to Ukraine, the US is encouraging the Kiev regime’s aggressive actions against its own population in Donbass.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
The United States and Russia are parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention. In accordance with its obligations under that international agreement, the United States does not use chemical weapons. However, the Russian government has twice used chemical weapons in recent years to attack and attempt to assassinate opponents, including on foreign soil. Rather than fuel conflict in eastern Ukraine as Russia has done, the United States has provided more than $351 million in humanitarian assistance to those affected by Moscow’s aggression there since 2014. Russia is using statements from high-level officials as well as disinformation and propaganda outlets to intentionally spread outright falsehoods to attempt to create a pretext for military action.
❗ Reality:
We all know how the US authorities use disinformation as a pretext to invade independent states. It is enough to recall the infamous vial of Collin Powell that was used as a pretext for US aggression against Iraq. The afore-mentioned amount of US humanitarian assistance is a drop in the ocean compared to the enormous assistance rendered by the Russian Federation to the residents of Donbass.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
There are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians or Russian speakers being under threat from the Ukrainian government. There are, however, credible reports that in Russia-occupied Crimea and in the Donbas, Ukrainians face suppression of their culture and national identity and live in an environment of severe repression and fear. In Crimea, Russia forces Ukrainians to assume Russian citizenship or lose their property, their access to healthcare, and their jobs. Those who peacefully express opposition to Russia’s occupation or control face imprisonment on baseless grounds, police raids on their homes, officially sanctioned discrimination, and in some cases torture and other abuses. Religious and ethnic minorities are investigated and prosecuted as “extremists” and “terrorists.”
❗ Reality:
Violations of the rights of Ukraine’s Russian-speaking population, which numbers in the millions, have reached a horrendous scale in Ukraine. Its government passes discriminatory laws on language and education and so-called “indigenous peoples”, while ousting the Russian language from all spheres of life. In August 2021, President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky went as far as to tell ethnic Russians to get out of the country in an undeniably xenophobic moment. In June 2021, Commissioner for the Protection of the State Language Taras Kremen said that those who object to the language law “can leave the territory of the country.”
One wonders why the United States, usually so devoted to the cause of human rights, is refusing to notice the open discrimination faced by Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizens. Perhaps they don’t consider Russians people?
As for the human rights situation in Crimea, including the status of ethnic minorities, it has not just improved after the peninsula’s return to Russia but has changed completely. Unlike the former and current Ukrainian government, the Russian Federation is trying to preserve the unique multicultural space of the peninsula. We are convinced that the West is deliberately spreading disinformation about human rights problems in Crimea to distract the international community from Ukraine’s terrible human rights record.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
President Biden has spoken with President Putin twice and US officials have held dozens of high-level meetings and phone calls with Russian and European counterparts as part of a comprehensive diplomatic effort to resolve this situation peacefully.
❗ Reality:
The reference to the so-called “comprehensive diplomatic effort” is hypocritical and deceptive at best. In the period since December 15, 2021 when we officially sent Washington our drafts of the treaty on security guarantees and agreement on measures ensuring the security of Russia and the NATO countries, the Americans have mostly made obvious attempts to drag out discussions of specific parameters, which Russia proposed, at different expert levels and in various formats. Instead of taking a pause and focusing on answering the substance of the issues raised in the Russian documents, the White House and its Western allies launched a very toxic information and propaganda campaign presenting Russia as an “aggressor,” “enemy of civilized Europe” and “threat” to international stability. All this was done in addition to the endless intimidation of Russia with “painful” sanctions that are designed to bleed our economy dry and entrench the systematic challenge to Russia. Even the very publication by the State Department of such “recommendations” on the eve of the talks between Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Geneva can only be interpreted as an overt provocation. Mr Lavrov set forth in detail Russia’s approaches during a news conference following the talks on security guarantees (hyperlink – https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1795493).
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
NATO is a defensive alliance, whose purpose is to protect its member states.
❗ Reality:
The alliance has discredited its reputation with actions that ran counter to international law: the operation against Yugoslavia, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO members, and the barbarous destruction of Libya by the allied coalition. This policy has nothing to do with “defence.”
References to the statements made by President of Russia Vladimir Putin in 2002 about NATO’s defensive character are taken out of context and relate to the period when Russia and NATO were planning to pursue cooperation. NATO’s subsequent aggressive policy towards Russia and eastward expansion have destroyed these intentions.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
NATO never promised not to admit new members.
❗ Reality:
On February 9, 1990, during a meeting with Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze, US Secretary of State James Baker issued iron-clad guarantees that “there will be no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction or NATO’s forces one inch to the East.” On February 10, 1990, German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher assured Eduard Shevardnadze that “NATO will not expand to the East.” On the same day, German Chancellor Helmut Kohl confirmed this to Mikhail Gorbachev. US Secretary of State James Baker said at a February 13, 1990 briefing, that Washington was in favour of a unified Germany and its inclusion in NATO, and stood ready to ensure that the alliance’s military presence does not move further eastward. All these assurances can be found in the transcripts of the meetings, which are available today to the general public.
❌ “Fact” cited by the US Department of State:
NATO enlargement is not directed against Russia.
❗ Reality:
Over the past 20 years, all NATO coalition forces have been concentrated precisely on the eastern flank. The Alliance’s advance to Russia’s borders goes hand-in-hand with creating and upgrading military infrastructure, developing supply chains for the rapid – including transatlantic – transfer of large military formations, and deploying US missile defence elements equipped with dual-purpose launchers in Romania. Plans for deploying missile systems in Poland are in the works. Hangars for heavy military equipment are being built in Eastern European NATO member countries. Opportunities are being provided for a foreign military presence in these countries, which comes within a hair’s breadth of violating, if not the letter, then the spirit of the Russia-NATO Founding Act of 1997.
The number of warships operated by non-regional powers entering the Black Sea has significantly increased, turning its waters into another area of instability. The previously calm and peaceful Baltic Sea has become a stage for military confrontation. The intensity of flights by NATO countries’ reconnaissance aircraft has become a threat to civil air traffic.
The Alliance constantly carries out military exercises near our borders. Last year alone, about 120 exercises were conducted, during which offensive scenarios were enacted, with the implication that Russia is the hypothetical enemy.
NATO is pursuing an extremely aggressive partnership policy and is eyeing the territories of Finland, Sweden, Ukraine and Georgia, while also making attempts to gain a foothold in Central Asia. It is also building sites in the post-Soviet space that pose potential biological hazards.
“Response…”
Why bother ?
By publishing without response they outline what they believe to be plausible belief to their target audience and thereby can attain the heady heights of “partners”.
Mr. Rove observations about “We are an Empire..” do still have validity – responses aid the sustainabily of opponents, except if actions or inactions are are deemed to be responses by the opponents in the abscence of responses.
After all war is not restricted to things that go bang or my schlong is bigger than your schlong.
Russia called for these discussions and so not turning up would be daft, even though they are going through the motions. Plenty fence sitters will watch the circus and be able to judge who’s being deceitful. The more we see of Blinken the better, as from a very low bar during his 1st year, he’s somehow managed to even lower that, takes some doing.
Russia is gaining the moral ground, hearts & minds across the globe, primarily in west, east, south and north Asia. US Allies ( maybe excepting 5 Eyes ) will all be reconsidering their loyalty to them, especially if it means missing out on their country’s future prosperity (they in turn will be judged by their citizens ).
“Russia called for these discussions and so”
Thank you for reaction based upon your interpretation of “why bother” refers to.
“Why bother ?” refers to a response in a particular form by initiators of that response.
NotEuclid on January 22, 2022 · at 1:28 pm EST/EDT is a possible catalyst of assumptions/interpretations/speculations of those who were not initiators of a response in that particular form, in conjunction with testing Mr. Rove’s oberservation in respect of “We are an Empire”, which in varying degrees the receipients of the response in a particular form are immersed in varying degrees.
Evaluation is always a function of facility and purpose which some believe that they understand, as in your response. A useful tool in perception management is the tendency of some to conflate a possible component of a possible answer with the possible answer, and not investigate further as they already “know” the answer.
That was/is one of the purposes of “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident” which continues in varying degrees to sustain the coercive social relations self-misrepresented as “The United States of America” which are not to be conflated with a temporary geo-political constuct which for ease of conflation is called “The United States of America” with Canada lying to the north, and Mexico lying to the south.
Thank you for your co-operation.
Russia is just showing they are doing everything humanly possible to give factual counter statements to US accusations. So when the proverbial s#&t hits the fan, the world will see (those who are not indoctrinated by the west, anyway) how criminal America has been and where the blame should be laid.
Why bother?
Don’t fret about that. By now the American accusations are so ridiculous, transparent, and predictable that anyone with half a brain could’ve dashed off the response we have here. It probably took some low-level functionary in the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs twenty minutes tops.
Besides, it isn’t entirely useless as a “preaching to the choir” exercise; many of us will find it a useful compendium.
WTFUD on January 22, 2022 · at 1:57 pm EST/EDT
Bill Jackson on January 22, 2022 · at 2:29 pm EST/EDT
corvo on January 23, 2022 · at 11:16 am EST/EDT
Thank you for your shared assumptions that you understand the purposes of The Russian Federation and how these purposes “apparently” have been/will be implemented.
One of us is LYING!
Had a good chuckle!
Perhaps this one might up it a bit:
One of ME is LYING! (dual-faced/hypcritical US)
As only true Americans once said: “Paleface spoke with a forked tongue”
In the distant past, when I was a child, I lapped up stories of brave and courageous Brits, facing injury and death to fight on the side of the Angels.
Blair and his outright lies to Parliament and the Country were a final and inescapable declaration that Britain is on the side of the “Father of lies”. Blair’s lies were truly Satanic in that they were directly responsible for the death and mutilation of hundred and thousands of innocent human beings. As if we needed further evidence of the evil at the heart of the UK, we then get our noses rubbed in the smelly stuff, by the contrast between the treatment of Milosevic who was dragged to The Hague and tried for war crimes, and Blair, who gets a knighthood. Blair’s death count far exceeds that of Milosevic, whose efforts ere puny by comparison.
Western politicians are evil, immoral and corrupt liars who look on the act of Government and the people they govern in the same way that a spoilt child looks on a train set, something to play with; head on collisions for entertainment, with no consequences for deliberate disaster and destruction, and not the slightest remorse for the causation of human suffering on an industrial scale.
CitizenSmith, I feel very much the same way. The fantasy of US honour was a pipedream. I see the truth of it now. So disappointed.
Its far worse than anything you are seeing, you are seeing theater, behind the scenes the military controls the country financially through inheritance, and legally through Washington.
You have to get around them or confront them, i’m readying for either.
To see and hear Liz Truss, UK foreign minister, holding forth on the virtues of NATO and Ukraine and lying in detail about Russia,I find a great similarity to the time of Theresa May with Russophobia in full blast regardless of facts.
I’m not sure why the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs bothers to make these comparisons. Its like, they expect “educating” people will allow them to make informed decisions. You could make this available to every citizen in the United States and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference or change anyone’s mind. A total waste of time unfortunately.
The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, along with the Russian government & state institutions more generally, do propaganda – or counter-propaganda (info war/ops) extremely poorly. Extremely poorly. There has been a fair bit of commentary about that on this site, I have nothing new to add, merely to say that as with your comment, it is as if the Russian government at the highest level do not, after all these years, understand the western mentality, & in particular, the Anglo-Germanic imperialist mentality.
It makes a difference in my mind. I know that the US government is corrupt. I know they are responsible for so many wars which resulted in huge loss of life. And I can see how they have been exploiting Ukraine for their own selfish gains.
News flash! The majority of US citizens don’t care about any of this: they want nothing to do with any war with Russia. What is happening is writing the plot, and it’s done through the usual western media talking heads (who will carry the water in order to get paid). Stories only hold up if one is the victor. US empire is firmly on its way out and will before long NOT command the story lines…
But many commenters on this website and others have pointed out “Why doesnt the Russian foreign Ministry spend more time and resources to promote the Russian view of things…” so if they then do this exercise, they are preaching to the converted, who find the facts useful as a reinforcement for their own opinions…and preaching to the retarded…who might not want to listen but then get to hear the facts from the converted…
I have German friends…decent folk basically…socialistic in outlook…but so totally brainwashed they have their heads up their backsides and cant see how their support of the anti-Russian propaganda has been indoctrinated into them by the CIA office in Berlin which controls the German medias output of pro-NATO propaganda… they are going through the stages…insisting on their views being the only correct ones… anger at hearing an opposing view…absorbing the reality of the opposing view…stumbling over their own logic as they realise they have been suckered by their own favourite media…confusion…and a refusal to engage further in discussions as they are now totally embarrassed… West Germans mind you…the East Germans support and understand the Russian view of the world…
Its hard work out there…and i am very happy for the Russian Foreign Ministry’s contribution !
And now for a good laugh . . .
“I, Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy as supreme Excellency,
the “David of the Ukraine” who heroically stands up to the Russian Goliath,
whose nonpareil wisdom comes from being the “Servant of the People”,
who excoriates the rapscallions of Donbass and Crimea for hating Nazis,
who proudly and with great sacrifice willingly risks his life for the people,
and who welcomes with open arms U.S.-NATO, saviors of Kiev,
approves a decree by Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council to impose sanctions on several Russian companies.
See: https://tass.com/world/1391759
See: https://www.rnbo.gov.ua/en/Diialnist/5208.html
“Sanctions were imposed on 6 individuals and 24 legal entities involved in the illegal (sic) construction and operation of the railway section of the Kerch Strait, the organization of passenger railway service between the temporarily occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol and the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as damage to the national cultural heritage on the territory of Sevastopol.”
The actor turned politician continues to play the role of the President of the Ukraine and reads from the script that denies the reality of Crimea’s lawful and legal reunification with Russia.
Zelenskyy declares sanctions on Russian businesses? Too funny; only a comedian would come up with that.
This conundrum of fact versus reality, reveals a very interesting phenomenon. Every one has
a different story. Truth on the Mental Plane of being, is a relative thing. Relative to one’s own
particular perceptions, and a host of other factors amounting to one’s interests in a particular
subject. At the end of the day, what one “believes” is not that important, since beliefs themselves
are fashioned in order that people ‘sleep at night’. In the discrepancies between the Russian
view and the US DoS, one can see the truth of the Russian side correlating a lot more with the
facts on the ground, while the DoS, is heavy on propaganda. Those who have the means
therefore, can create ‘truths’ at will and promote them to their heart’s content, but it doesn’t
necessarily mean they have basis in reality of any kind. Lawyers make their livings on this
bending and twisting of objective reality, hence the abundance of people from this profession
in the echelons of the US DoS. The Law of Karma states that we’re responsible for everything
we set in motion, so personally, I’d rather be as close to objective reality as possible. The liar
is ultimately only lying too himself. Macedonians have a saying, “lagata ima kratki nodze”,
the lie has short legs, ie; it don’t get too far…
Yep. In this case both facts and reality coincide. Russians have the moral high ground here. They are justified in their actions. More importantly though, they have the superior force to back that up.
Precisely.
“Not a step back”, Russia. Let´s make with this one the Stalingrad of our generation.
“This is the inevitable fate of the sentimentalist. All his opinions change into their opposites at the first brush of reality.” Orwell
Donbass along with Shoighu seems to be still very concerned about a chemical attack possibilities which could be bottulism.
Presumably Donbass has chemical monitoring ready set up…and as chemicals can have individual signatures these can be traced back to suppliers such as USA ….clearly these are not defensive….so USA could be indicted for genocide?
Yes, that is worrisome, I am going to venture a guess the chemical weapons will be used on Ukrainians and not on the citizens of Donbass. Similar to Syria it will be an attempt to blame a chemical weapons attack on Russia in order to try and drum out outrage in the west.
It’s called “Projection”. Plain and simple.
Maria Zakharova has had to deal with more dis-information and fact checking about the Beijing Olympics today:
https://tass.com/politics/1391903
“A Bloomberg publication that Chinese President Xi Jinping allegedly asked Russian President Vladimir Putin not to invade Ukraine during the Olympic Games is an operation of US intelligence agencies, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said.
“Moscow expects provocations from the United States and the US-led Kiev regime, without excluding military provocations, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Saturday.
“We are expecting provocations from the US and the Kiev regime led by them, both informational and, it cannot be ruled out, military ones,” she wrote on her Telegram channel. “They may do it, especially since they have a plenty of experience……”
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22 JAN, 12:05Updated at: 12:13
Russian Foreign Ministry slams US ‘report’ on Kremlin’s Ukraine policy as provocation
The diplomatic agency noted that since when Washington received the drafts on security guarantees the US was making attempts to draw out the negotiation process
© Vladimir Gerdo/TASS
MOSCOW, January 22. /TASS/. The US Department of State publishing a bulletin on Russia’s policy in Ukraine on the eve of talks between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Geneva is an open provocation, according to a commentary by the Russian Foreign Ministry made public on Saturday.
“The very fact of the State Department publishing such ‘instructional guidelines’ immediately before the talks between Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and US Secretary of State Blinken in Geneva can be called nothing more than an open provocation,” the commentary said.
The diplomatic agency noted that since December 15, 2021, when Washington officially received the drafts on security guarantees and the measures of ensuring the security of Russia and NATO member states, the US generally had been making obvious attempts to draw out the negotiation process of specific parameters proposed by Russia on various expert levels and formats.
“Instead of pausing and concentrating on substantively answering the questions posed in the Russian documents, the White House and its Western allies launched a highly toxic information and propaganda campaign painting our country as an ‘aggressor,’ the ‘enemy of civilized Europe’ and a ‘threat’ to international stability. All of this is coupled with the incessant threats of ‘painful’ sanctions designated to drain our domestic economy and solidify a systematic challenge to Russia,” the diplomatic agency pointed out.
Liar, Liar, pants on fire!
This is what the US do; blame Russia (or whichever target of the moment), for what THEY have done. The group running this show, are all ‘bananas’ (crazy), and in an truly evil way.
The movements of massive weaponry, including S-400s, into Belarus, would suggest that this time the Russians are just so done with this bs. No more f’kg around. Take your shot and pay a very heavy price. Sadly, the Ukraini people on the frontline will be the first to pay that price.
I remember well, particularly in high-school, several examples of the bully getting their lights knocked out from picking on the wrong person, usually quiet and usually smaller. If the US State Dept continue down this path and it looks like they will, that is exactly what is going to happen to them and/or their pawns.
The USA are tricky bastards. Their request of Russia to keep USA’s written secret is some sick convoluted shit. The only good reason USA would have to want it kept secret is they were going to acquiesce to something and thus wanted to save face. They are not going to acquiesce to anything. Therefore, these freaks are only pretending to want to save face.
If Russia agrees to keep it secret, the world audience will think that maybe the USA did compromise on something, that maybe USA is trying to reach an negotiated settlement.
he who tries to control
everything, will have control
over nothing
I posted elsewhere on this on this point, but it also fits in here.
It seems that that Putin/Russia have pulled another diplomatic masterstroke chess move here.
These plutocrats (and those behind them) want — but can’t quite order — the Russians to keep their (USA) reply private and confidential etc. The Russians appear to have played along and turned it around into a chokehold. They said they would “ask permission” first — presumably before it all gets ‘leaked’ in any case. We won’t even need Assange free to read it within hours on social media, imo.
What at first might look like a Russian softening and compliant step towards ‘negotiating’ with the USA “Border-land Bandits” is on closer inspection a possible two-for-the-price-of-one geopolitic meal-deal.
We can note that Lavrov’s reported reply makes no committment to abiding either way by some such future “approval/rejection” from the US side.
On the contrary, assuming the “usual suspects” policy exceptionals can come up with something half coherent about an actual “reality-based community” set of defensive Russian red-lines backed with razor sharp, fast and accurate teeth, then (a) if nothing leaks we (the public) can be confident that the USA/Nato folded their hands and things will go nicely Russia’s way. The incentive pressure is on the US/Nato to comply with Russian demands and hope for plutocratic secrecy. However, the public will know the color of their white-flag and the game moves to the next step which will be dictated by the happy/unhappy Russians. The USA have been forced to disply their weak hand and archillies’ heel. The public sptolight on the cockroaches behind the fridge.
If this is not the case, then (b) it is most likely a Russian “ef-you” with a Zircon finger salute at a convenient time for Russia (read post 20 Feb, or possibly after the Democrat-sinking US mid-terms are too far advanced for a “war president” narrative).
Any post-Olympic bold move by Mr USA & Mrs Nato will likey cost them Taiwan and, with possible fast-delivered “SCO” S400’s in Iran’s back pocket, a blocked energy shipping artery in a Persian Gulf region.
Putin made a very, very carefully thought out offer, the first one usually being the most beneficial for the counter party – as to be expected the US will not accept and thus will get a far, far worse offer delivered unanswered, forced down the throat very slowly and very painfully – not to mention the european underdogs which now are hard wired for self destruct anyway. It’s now all but impossible to get something positive out of this people, so let them have it their way fully – the gallows are waiting. Whatever great they plan, it will fail, unless it is evil to begin with THAT will work – of course, further limiting the options – a death spiral ! The bystanders can just stan there and watch in awe and bewilderement the unfolding total collapse of a whole civilzation (well, what is left of it..which is not much).
Lies and deceit are all you will get from the UK establishment
Here is a Complaint sent to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office on 13th March 2014.
“In a statement to the House of Commons on 4th March 2014, the Foreign Secretary deceived the House about the legitimacy of the new regime in Ukraine. He led the House to believe that the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, had removed President Yanukovich from power on 22 February 2014 in accordance with the Ukrainian constitution and that therefore “it is wrong to question the legitimacy of the new authorities. It is simply untrue that the Rada followed the procedure laid down in the Ukrainian constitution to impeach and remove a president from power.
Article 108 of the Ukraine constitution has four circumstances whereby a President can be replaced; the powers of the President of Ukraine terminate prior to the expiration of term in cases of:
1) Resignation;
2) Inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;
3) Removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;
4) Death.
The procedure, laid down in Article 111 of the constitution, is not unlike that required for the impeachment and removal from power of a US president, which could take months.
Thus, Article 111 obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president’s guilt for the Rada to consider.
Prior to a final vote to remove a president from power, it requires
(a) The Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
(b) The Supreme Court of Ukraine must certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.
The Rada didn’t follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February 2014, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.
Furthermore, the bill wasn’t even supported by three quarters of the members of the Rada, as required by Article 111 for the removal of a president from office – it was supported by 328 members, when it required 338 (since the Rada has 450 members).
Justifying UK support for the new regime in Kiev in the House of Commons on 4 March 2014, the Foreign Secretary said:
“Former President Yanukovych left his post and then left the country, and the decisions on replacing him with an acting President were made by the Rada, the Ukrainian Parliament, by the very large majorities required under the constitution, including with the support of members of former President Yanukovych’s party, the Party of Regions, so it is wrong to question the legitimacy of the new authorities.”
The Ukrainian President had not resigned, he is still the legitimate President of Ukraine, therefore the Foreign Secretary’s statement was a calculated deception of the House of Commons, designed to give the impression that the procedure prescribed in the Ukrainian constitution for the removal of a president from office had been followed, when it hadn’t.
Because this statement was fundamentally wrong can I be assured that the Foreign Secretary will tell the House of Commons at the earliest opportunity, and through them the British people, that the statement he made on 4th March 2014 was false?”
This is an extremely important ‘piece of the puzzle’ to publicise…..
The British acted true to their long-established reputation for perfidy…
Victoria Nudelland acted true to the Kazarian tradition of chutzpah when she had a very public telephone conversation after handing out cookies and boasted of spending $5bn to enable the process…
I’m puzzled why their response doesn’t include some of the most damning and obvious facts and history on Russia’s side, and why they don’t contradict some of the most blatant lies:
1) The absolute lie that: “There are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians or Russian speakers being under threat…”. Post links to some of the numerous reports of the murder and destruction going on against the eastern provinces, the wholescale murder of the people in Odessa, etc.
2) Shouldn’t there be categorical denials of these so-called “chemical attacks” and the downing of M-17?
3) How about some history of Crimea being Russian for hundreds of years, and the plot of the US to take it over? Also, compare the referendum there to the partition of Yugoslavia?
On the other hand, they did bring up the destruction of Iraq and Libya, the OSCE agreement that they are in breach of (a better explanation should be made to make it clear why the US is not in compliance).
It just seems like they could have made a better case for themselves that would be more easily understood by people in the west, which is the intended audience right? The few that will read it yes.
Guy from US
Exactly this.
At last! The Russians are actually “fighting back” with words.
But how low-key and insipid.
I can see now why Russia lost the Cold War, and every day since continue to lose the Information War.
While those across Russian administration can now converse competently in English, (one disadvantage for them in the 50s’, they really fail to “understand”.
The correct way to answer all this was with securely archived links to YouTube of Cookie Monster talking about the $5b Ukrainian coup; her F€! The EU conversation. Her cookies for the troops pic, John McCain’s fiery speech at the Maiden, pledging US support.
Links to the television program as the Odessa Trades Hall was set on fire burning up to 100 people alive.
Links to Crimea people on the streets, protecting their parliament.
Links to Congress approving hundreds of millions in “lethal aid” for Ukraine.
Links to lethal aid arriving in Ukraine yesterday.
Links to the recent Nazi March in Ukraine.
I could go on. And on.
Good on the Russians for finally, FINALLY fighting back. But their response is like the swat from a kitten.
Provoking the Sam “awww, that’s so cute” response from the forces of darkness.
I know when I have debated Americans on image boards, they are absolutely dumbfounded when I upload pics of McCain and Lindsey Graham meeting with ISIS in Syria, or McCains fiery Maiden speech, + pics of him with nazis, ….
Any US Congress documents, and pics showing what the US has been supporting around the world over the last 120+ years……. when confronted with hard, indisputable sourced evidence, the shock, then outrage, is palpable, even across an anonymous internet.
I share that outrage, and just don’t understand why there is none from the Russians.
“Outrage” is basically a waste of energy. Russians have the winning hand: not debt-ridden; not militarily over-extended; military superiority; ample natural resources; strategic location (because it’s their area); support, in general, from China (and most likely Iran). All they have to do is to keep methodically stepping forward as the US is the drunk who will stumble trying to keep up. The drunk has to fall on its own lest it lash out and cause unpredictable disaster (we’re talking nukes).
Internally, in the US, there’s a stark plummeting going on which is going to result in civil unrest (big time): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBSN40188 (and Russia is accused of being under control by oligarchs!)
Fight fire with fire I say.
One would have to be either blindingly stupid or blissfully ignorant to believe anything the US government says these days.
America has become an immoral, corrupt cesspool of madness and tyranny. There is a glimmer of hope in that “the empire” is already well into its collapse. Even without war, it doesn’t have much life left in it.
Anthony Blinken does not support autonomy-independence for Crimea and Ukraine.
Anthony Blinken is a sleazy…scummy Ivy League Lawyer.
So what does the cockroach Anthony Blinken want?
Answer:More artillery shells fired over the border landing on young pregnant Orthodox Christian Women….landing on Russian Orthodox Christian Grannies….landing on Russian Orthodox Christian School Children-in the Donbass.
To compare Anthony Blinken to cockroaches is actually an insult to cockroaches…
Is this another Zionist trick into having one Christian country Russia going to war with another Christian country Ukraine? In other words, Christians killing Christians. Putin’s true colors will now be shown. Let’s see how smart he is.
Err… how about the “Christians” who colluded with the Deep State’s plans, to lay waste to Ukraine?
One cannot start a fire which then takes hold in a neighbouring country (RU), and expect that Putin
douse the fire without eliminating the pyromaniacs first. Ukraine is responsible first and foremost, for
hosting foreign interests, and Putin ‘turning the other cheek’ does not apply if his own country is about
to burn due to no fault of his own. Putin is in fact acting right in line with Spiritual Law, b/c he has done
everything to come to an accord with the aggressor and is now bringing force into play as a last resort.
Just b/c people are of the same religion does not mean they won’t have conflicts.
Even if Putin kills the so called “Christian pyromaniacs” in Ukraine does not mean that other pyromaniacs won’t pop up in neighboring countries. These pyromaniacs are bought off by the deep state or money printers. What’s Putin supposed to do? Kill every “bought off pyromaniac” there is. That would make him a mass murderer. Putin must pin-point the extermination of the pyromaniac financial funders. Wouldn’t it be better if Putin cuts off the head of the evil rather than the body of the evil. Without the head the body cannot live. That’s the ultimate self-defense of Russia which by the way is allowed by Christian Orthodox Spiritual Law. Killing everybody and anybody is a little un-Orthodox. A true Christian does not mass murder people.
I can’t speak for VVP. It’s my observation, however, that under the circumstances, he has every right to respond in whatever way he considers appropriate since those who are threatening Russia’s people and interests have well and truly been warned of the potential consequences of their aggression.
That’s exactly right. Let’s see Putin’s true colors. We will all see if he is a globalist puppet or not.
If you don’t that yet George, well, I guess you will never ever know it eh.
amarynth, you sound Canadian (eh). You seem confident the Hegelian dialectic is unfolding before our very eyes.
Hahaaa … wrong on both counts, or at least, you have no basis to make those comments just as you had no basis to make the first one even.
Again, Putin is not a globalist puppet. I have no idea how you say “We will all see if he is a globalist puppet or not”, and have no criteria for that comment either.
We will not ‘all see’. And define globalist at least as folks are very confused with that description.
When someone finishes a sentence with an “eh” usually they’re Canadian. But this is not important.
Globalists are Godless or have rejected Jesus Christ and their goal is enslaving or murdering mankind.
Blinken, Biden, Johnson, Zelenski, NATO, etc., are examples. These people and their ilk hate Christianity. Does Bolshevism ring a bell.
If Putin starts bombarding Ukraine and the US and Europe respond, all that will be accomplished is Christians killing Christians because Europe and the USA are mostly Christians. Isn’t this satanism at its best? How many actual satanist’s will pick up an arm and fight? Zero.
It’s people like you that can’t see the real truth or end game of the globalists and resort to linguistics to obfuscate the truth thus leading innocent Christian people to their deaths. Historically, its happened many times before and this is a repeat.
Be wary even of Putin as he might still be a globalist serving Satan. I hope not. That’s why I say “we will all see”. Do you get it now? Most can’t see the devil’s workings because they are not illuminated in Orthodox Christianity. Don’t put all your trust in Putin just yet. Wait and see!
The ultimate goal of globalists (satanists) is the destruction of God fearing Orthodox Christians. Pure and simple!
@George
“Let’s see Putin’s true colors. We will all see if he is a globalist puppet or not.”
If you asked yourself this question before September 2015, maybe it would make some sense. After Putin stopped globalist steamroller in Syria it does not
Since then, globalist agenda is permanently going downhill. Expensive mistakes and disasters one after another. Financial cataclysm brewing in Capitol. Only vast stolen riches from all over the world keeps them alive. That won’t last forever.
As didn’t smear campaigns “Putin will betray Assad”, “Putin will sell Donbas”, “Putin is richest man in the world” and many more tailored for intellectually challenged demographic.
Blackring:
The intellectually challenged demographic can’t see that when Zionists’ fail to acquire (steal) land through propagandistic means due to the massive anti-Zionist populations surrounding them, they’ll bring many people (EUers and Middle Easteners) to a boiling point (war) that results in reducing (murdering) surrounding populations thus acquiring land.
Isn’t Zionism the complete ownership of the earth?
George, can we now count me outside of your ‘we’.
“It’s people like you that can’t see the real truth or end game of the globalists and resort to linguistics to obfuscate the truth thus leading innocent Christian people to their deaths. Historically, its happened many times before and this is a repeat.”
People like me uh? OK. Globalism is usually a political category and refers to those that pay no fealty to a state or a country. They may profess Christianity or they may profess any other religion in this world. If you start confusing that with a Christian category, I’m not part of that. I think if we look over the wars of the past number of years, we will find that many more Muslim people were killed than Christian. And it is those that profess some form of Christianity, although very skewed and not the real thing, that did the killing.
So, if you want to barge out and whip everyone including Mr Putin with any kind of Christian cudgel, forgive me if I fully distance myself from that particular piece of wisdom and action.
Thank heavens I don’t have as many boogymen under my bed. I would not sleep of the nightmares.
amarynth;
Your freewill allows you to think the way you do, and that’s OK, just don’t let it bite you on your ass!
@George
“Isn’t Zionism the complete ownership of the earth?”
No, it is pipedream.
“they’ll bring many people (EUers and Middle Easteners) to a boiling point (war)”
They certainly can TRY. But in much different circumstances than once upon a time. Zionists Master&Commander – Anglos crypto feudal Empire, had passed its peak soon after WW2, and since then, they managed to squander huge advantage over stunned competitors. On similar and even more nebulous pipedreams.
Propaganda has nothing to do with world dominance. Military power does. Anglos financial and military power was main reason for Zionists percieved omnipotence.
In reality, they were just another proxy. Generously payed, but yet another, expendable, proxy.
Now, when Russia and China regenerated from loss of 70 000 000 people combined, and stoicaly endured pillage of untold trillions of $, it’s payback time.
It will be REALY stupid to make propaganda noise in presence of vengeful Bear and Dragon. Zionists are not stupid.
Mark my words: when time comes they will be the first to switch sides.
Blackring;
This “pipedream” has morphed into vividness and has existed since the Pharisees, today they’re called Zionists, and their goal has remained the same which is destruction.
Don’t make them out to be the victims or “expendable” proxies because their method of attaining control of nations, organizations, churches, etc., is through infiltration and when their numbers get to the point where they have managerial power they implement their evilness.
For example, ever since they infiltrated the USA look what has happened. They have implemented wars and dictatorships in Korea, Vietnam, South America, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Serbia, Ukraine, and who knows where else, the list goes on, and their proxies are US soldiers.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, now they’re after Russia, the last great strength of Christian Orthodoxy.
Russia has no separation of Church and State so Putin can’t bombard any Nation at will. The Russian Orthodox Church (The Body of Jesus Christ) only allows war for defensive purposes or protecting Russia. Russians are NOT Imperialists. They don’t want “payback”, all they want is to be left alone. Now that’s Russian superior intelligence. Unlike the Zionists that bomb the shit out of innocent sovereign nations simply for plunder, murder, and control. Please don’t call the Zionists “not stupid”, their actions are evil.
When the time comes, like you, I also believe they will switch sides. The side they will choose is Christianity.
I believe he or people in his government have already promised to retaliate against those they hold responsible for any attack on Russia. To me that means US and Britain.
The mechanisms are well known and well tried. The UK and US have a history of meddling and pitting brother against brother…it happened in Korea, Vietnam, Germany, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc so its not just about Christians or Orthodoxy…it is about finding a weak entry point…Dimitar explains it well here…it needs a bribe to lubricate the process…and naive or malevolent individuals to support it…
A reminder.
The UK was instrumental in fabricating and promulgating the Steele dossier, a tissue of scurrilous lies deliberately intended to influence a US election, destroy the reputation of a Presidential Candidate, and seriously degrade the ability of a new President to carry out his duties.
It provides an interesting perspective on the declarations of UK politicians regarding the sanctity of Ukrainian Sovereignty and Democracy. Truss, ( UK Minister, Foreign Office) is totally devoid of integrity or honour; her words are worthless.
Romania, in 1939, considering a potential repeat of 1916, have given back Bulgaria the Cadrilater, which was acquired after the second Balkan war in an obvious act of abuse. Was never a Romanian territory, and was not populated with Romanians.
Same as Transnistria. While is a total fucked up situation created by the soviets, same as with Crimea, it should be relinquished by the Moldovan Republic and let the Ukrainian and Russian minorities to sort it out with Russia, with respect to the army repositioning.
Also, Russia should ascertain that while it has all the rights to move its military wherever it sees fit within its territory, the continuous arming of Ukraine by the West, the evident disregard of Ukraine to resolve the Donetsk situation in a peaceful way, as enshrined in the international law, international law flouted by the western powers as well, makes Russia to not trust the Ukrainian government and the west that they will not repeat the attempt from spring 2021 to attack the separatist republics. As such, Russia wants to be prepared for that eventuality.
Russia came within a hairs breath of ceasing to exist during the terrorist reign of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Vladimir Putin literally resurrected Russia from the grave.
Anthony Blinken a protégée of the corpse eaters Bill and Hillary Clinton…and Black Lives Matter supporter the lisping Kenyan Barack Obama…..intends to drag Russia back to the grave so Bill and Hillary Clinton can have a feast. Vladimir Putin will never never allow this monstrosity to ever ever happen again.
America is drowning in it’s own moral rot and filth-the decibels are increasing on the gurgling sound as America goes under….
Clintons are merely technocrats. Gotta look a little deeper to see who’s really putting the strings. It really is about ideologies; that is, the flags that are used (it’s the story/narrative, the illusion; always under every ideology there’s power, and rarely does power care what it takes to maintain itself).
“America” happens to be a pretty large land area. Perhaps you’re meaning “U.S.”? At any rate, the US is an empire and ALL empires collapse. The notion of “moral high ground” is superficial in the scheme of the cycle of empires. Read Sir John Glubb’s The Fate of Empires to understand that there’s a very predictable cycle/set of sequences and that the ideology, type of leadership and such have ZERO bearing on being able to keep the inevitable collapse from occurring. Glubb failed to connect the dots that it’s perpetual growth that is the driver of the eventual collapse: his observations were made during the first part of the 21st century, when there was seemingly an infinite amount of natural resources. ANY country that ascribes to the notion of perpetual growth is mathematically guaranteed to also collapse, no matter what religion/god/leader or whatever: China, assuming that it too will continue to grow (it’s primed on the same model), will also collapse (not that I’m wanting any of this, it’s just mathematical fact; insert Russia or any other country and the equation doesn’t change).
“In Crimea, Russia forces Ukrainians to assume Russian citizenship …”
Russia’s ‘annexation’ of Crimea and unforgivable oppression if its people as expressed by those ‘downtrodden and coerced’ people themselves brings tears to my eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9RwYPsVpfM
Reality out of Washington D.C. ? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ho, ho, ho, ho, ……
To say that Russia annexed Crimea is to say that Russia annexed itself…..and Blinken of course understands this very obvious fact. I mean how does Crimea not belong to Russia? Seriously, Anthony Blinken can go f**k himself….or he can go f**k the cockroach species he inter-breeds with.
The Ballad of Sergei and Blink
wee willy blinkey,
waving his pinkey
all at the Russian bear
I’m not sure just what,
some thing wet and hot,
running down the legs of his chair!
well, Sergei he smiled,
as you would to a child,
saying, “blink, this is no time to choke.”
“I’ve got a spare pair,
I’m happy to share,
But, what’ll your friends all think back at woke?”
With nothing to say,
blink starts to pray;
“I know I’ve been such a schmuck…”
When out of the blue,
a voice firm and true,
says… “Bitch, just don’t push your luck!”
Isn’t the whole State Department run by them, anyway, descendants and relatives of Shylock ?
russia would make a mistake to take the american word for anything. give the u.s. a couple of months to move the launchers and heavy equipment out of the border areas. if not taken out ,then the launchers and their command bases will be destroyed.if the u.s. responds militarily then sink all their aircraft carriers and the brits for good measure, otherwise the americans and the rest will just keep up with their crap they will not stop unless stopped period.
Note that Russia is fully aware of those NATO military exercises scheduled to start in February in Ukraine, and the extent of those exercises. I’ve been warning that those exercises are very likely intended to either 1) cover for a Ukraine attack against Donbass, 2) actually participate in an Ukraine attack in Donbass, or 3) complicate the Russian military operation against a Ukraine attack against Donbass.
I suspect that the CIA and the neocons are counting on the latter to deter a Russian response to a Ukraine attack on Donbass. They will probably prove to be wrong, as I suspect the Russians won’t care if a bunch of NATO clowns get squashed during the conflict. But it may complicate the Russians’ operational plan.
I suspect you are right. I expect an attack on The Donbass during the Olympics, and coinciding with NATO military exercises under the assumption it will block Russia from using it’s air assets and Navy.
Personally, I think that is a very foolish plan from a strategic perspective operating under the assumption that as in Syria, Russia won’t challenge NATO forces. The difference being, that while Russia doesn’t have a lot of ability to project force beyond their borders, at their borders they can bring lots of force rapidly. The NATO troops won’t be much more then a speed bump if things go side ways and won’t be able to hold long enough for significant reinforcements to arrive. They would be throwing away a significant force without making much of a dent in Russian capabilities. Unfortunately from there, a desperate Empire could do something extremely stupid.
It all comes down to two futures for Crimea:
1) Crimea belongs to Russia(for obvious historical reasons and existential reasons)
or
2)Crimea belongs to the US Military with hypersonic missiles aimed at the heart of Russia…
Option 2 means the incineration of the US Military in Crimea….and the incineration of the US malignant tumor…
You know, I think it would be a really good idea to pick 1)
100 % correct and verifiable.
The topic for US ad EU-slaves is always the same laughable one: the state that Russia invaded Ukraine since 2014 ank keep occuping it and then they say “we will do very bad things to Russia IF IT INVADES UKRAINE tomorrow”!! I think that they all need a good asylum for they urgent mental disabilities!!!
All of this is Biden Press Secretary Psaki’s screed from last week to lay the foundation Russia is the aggressor when it is NATO – principally the EU elites and their new attack east using the Ukraine as their staging post and excuse.
The fact is NATO has built up troops and weapons in Ukraine and Russia is simply responding to that fact.
80 years NATO was known as the Wehrmacht (which also consisted of French and Dutch soldiers).
And their reserve backup forces were the UK and US forces.
Nothing ever changes century after century.
NATO has always been created to be a strike force.
Russia and Putin should not stand for any nonsense for them.
@Srbalj
“Never try to beat US propaganda. They will drag you down to their K.I.S.S. level and beat you with experience.”
Must admit Russians are particulary not so good in propaganda, but in comparison to US, who else is? From the sheer money involved to number of high level experts siphoned from all over the world. In whole 20 century, everybody else copied techniques US used 50-100 years before. Some full blown psychopatic ones.
Why Russians are so dominant on battlefield? They fought off enemies for 1000 years. Americans fought market share rat-race for centuries. It’s their game.
The Yanks are good at telling lies/propaganda, but they are rank amatures compared with our tribal friends.
Sigmund Frued’s nephew, Edward Bernays quite literally wrote books about the subject. Historian David Irving has built a career on unravelling those lies using impecible source documents.
The US State department is riddled with dual nationality quislings who are wuite happy to sacrifice any number of Ukrainians, Russians and sundry others on the bonfire of their vanity and narcissism. Onve you understand that reality it is not that hard to figure out where this must end.
I hope Shoigu has a very strong stomach. He will need it.
America is having the life sucked out of it by the parasites in the Biden Administration.
America is close to death….very close to taking its last breath
The parasites in the Biden Administration want to suck the life out of Slavic Russia…like the did during the disgusting Clinton Administration.
These parasites are devoid of a soul…..In self-defense, Russia will incinerate these parasites with nuclear weapons-in the cities these parasites are known to infest….
There is an expiration date……For the parasites….there will be no pearly gates…..Their destiny will be Hell!!!…..And I gotta tell ya……..I think this to be just swell!!!!
ALL wars are about resources. Whether a big war is kicked off or not (or none at all) it should be noted that this is essentially about the end of growth.
A good argument could be made that it’s aimed at a distraction from this (eventually these chickens come home to roost- can hold them off but they’ll come home eventually):
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBSN40188
The Russian government may not be good at propaganda, so it is up to us believers in the truth to enlighten our fellow westerners by spreading info on all alternate sights that we can.
A reminder.
It wasn’t only British soldiers who were killed as a result of British lies about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.
Britain’s supposed allies should be careful not to let it happen again; the signs are that history is going to repeat itself.
I don´t pay much attention to anything they say anymore. I have been watching the bombs dropping since 2010 and need to see it for real with them. If these clowns who stand in front of God and everybody spewing this crap, had to stand in front of the commanders whom I have had the priviledge to serve under or be mentored by in the years of my youth, they would be dressed down in no uncertain terms. It was always emphasized that it needed to be said and no varnish. They don´t know what varnish is. The world´s best ever rug dance, song and dance BS doesn´t hold a candle to the power of a single 7.62mm heading down range at you or any other type of real danger. But, if the Lord can put up with them and let them run their course, I need to respect that.
So, I do appreciate this stuff being posted Saker. It is part of what is happening.
John
I’m thinking that the neo-Nazis will trigger some sort of real or fake chemical attack and that it’ll be choreographed by the West (just like in Syria). US citizens are showing that they have no taste for any war with Russia, and I figure that the ONLY thing that can register with them is the old tried-and-true “chemical attack” (here, pull my finger!).
I hope that Lavrov et al are aware of this and have a counter threat made: like “if you do that we’ll disclose who shot down MH-17”.
“a counter threat made: like “if you do that we’ll disclose who shot down MH-17”.”
Emulation does not aid facilitation except in the case of useful fools.
I have an answer for the question made by some contributors, above: Why did the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation bothered writing it?
This is an important list of reality check on the situation in Ukraine. It is very well written, thorough, and it can help those of us who are struggling to get the truth to be at least considered by those who are still believing in the western propaganda. Just send them the web address, and ask them to read it:
/response-to-the-us-department-of-states-fact-sheet-facts-vs-fiction-russian-disinformation-on-ukraine/
“I have an answer for the question”
In a complex interacting lateral multi-factorial matter there is never an answer, since such is predicated on notions of stasis including omniscience a.k.a The end of history.
At best you can have a momentary possible component of a possible answer as a function of facility including but not limited to, interpretation.
This is a complex activity often short-circuited, and a component part of an answer of why some opponents rely on “play books/copy books” a.k.a. Precedent for those prone to live in a past which never existed, and use beliefs such as, x is playing nth dimensional chess, to bridge doubts surrounding their interpretations of their opponents actions, since the-would-like-to-be interpreters and their audiences believe themselves/them to be analysts since their resume and job title says so – of particular significance in respect of the opponents.
This process is illustrated by the oscillations of Mr. Biden to sustain attempts to base hopes on his target audience will deem as plausible belief that The Russian Federation is going to invade Ukraine which they have no intention of doing, that he like people referenced in the playbook in previous contexts can be attributed with frustration of things which were “highly unlikely” to happen/did not happen, and the possibilty of using this to convince the target audience that he and “The United States of America” retain significance.
In gambling this is often described as chasing your losses, and a component part of the reason for the alchemy of gold into fiat (not the cars which were built in the Soviet Union and elsewhere).
“Just send them the web address, and ask them to read it:
/response-to-the-us-department-of-states-fact-sheet-facts-vs-fiction-russian-disinformation-on-ukraine/”
Your statement above is based on the assumptions that you understand the purposes of others, and the purposes of others are the same purposes you have, facilitating the iteration of :
” Why did the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation bothered writing it?”
In a complex interacting lateral multi-factorial matter there is never an answer, since such is predicated on notions of stasis including omniscience, which is likely a component part of why the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation bothered writing it, facilitating the contingent reactions of the opponents to be interpreted, including by those we the people holding that the truths of Mr. Rove’s observation on We-are-an-Empire-are-self-evident as they have been included in the play-book.
In dancing this is sometimes accompanied with rhymes such as:
Round and round the garden danced the teddy bear,
One step,two step and a tickly under there.
As to some of the other points raised by Blinken, et al, please review these replies:
http://dondebar.blogspot.com/2022/01/us-war-propaganda-challenged.html