Note: another very interesting translation from our new team of Russian translators (thank you!)
Question: do you believe that Poland will send forces into the Ukraine?
No, I don’t think the US is giving conflicting instructions to Kiev. The fact is that when we are negotiating with Ukraine, we are, in fact, indirectly negotiating with the United States. Because, it is clear that we are fighting not with Zelensky, but with the United States, now, on the territory of Ukraine. The United States is at war with us to the last Ukrainian, but the United States is at war nonetheless. Therefore, when we offer surrender to Zelensky, we offer it to Zelensky, and in response, through the mouth of Zelensky, the United States offers us to surrender. They say: “Well, you withdraw troops from Ukraine, clear the Crimea and Donbass, return them to Ukraine, and then we’ll talk.” So, it is clear that Zelensky himself cannot put forward such demands, they are simply absurd.
Therefore, in this case, since two global forces are fighting each other, the demands are practically global. These are political demands to each other for unconditional surrender. It is clear that such requirements can only be met if one of the parties has won on the battlefield. Completely won. Not in Melitopol, Mariupol, there, or even in Kharkov, but completely won on the battlefield. That’s when something can grow out of this, out of these requirements. Therefore, now it does not matter whether you conduct these negotiations or you can not conduct them – this is already a field of Russian diplomacy.
The fact is that a long time ago, a decade, or even two decades ago, the United States entered into a systemic crisis. That is, the system built – political, military, economic, financial – has ceased to correspond to the realities of the modern world. At first, it was not entirely noticeable … many people generally denied that the United States could ever enter into a crisis, and so on .. But gradually these crisis phenomena grew, and Obama was already going to the polls with a statement that the United States was in crisis and reforms must be carried out. Then Trump went to the polls with the same thing. Then Biden came and practically announced that he would implement Trump’s program because the United States needed to carry out reforms in a crisis.
The fact is that the United States is not in a position to reform the economy now. In order to reform the economy it is necessary, as they advised us and everyone else in the early nineties, to go through shock therapy. That is, without shock, it is impossible to rebuild. This means that a huge number of Americans will sharply lose their standard of living for some period of time, and if, for example, in the 2000s, it was about the fact that changes can be made there, say, in 2, 3, 5 years, then now we are not talking about this, now we are talking about the fact that this will continue for decades, that you can go into a New Great Depression and it is not known when you will be able to get out of it. Naturally, the United States is afraid of this and does not want to, because a sharp drop in living standards leads to social instability and actually calls into question the existence of the American state, at least in the form in which we know it. That is, it can be preserved in some other form, but with other people at the head, with other families as a leading and guiding force, there with other parties, and so on. Naturally, the ruling circles of the United States do not want this at all. In order to maintain the status quo, the United States must maintain hegemony in any way, which means that even if this world is half destroyed, the United States must be the hegemon. I mean, it will be bad in the United States, but everyone else in the world should be even worse.
Therefore, the United States choses the way of confrontations. They cannot make an agreement, because they cannot yield.So if you have to yield, you are no longer the hegemon. If you are not a hegemon, you cannot divert other people’s resources to maintain the welfare of your citizens. If you can’t do this, then you start to crumble. So they follow the path of confrontation on the following principle: “Hey, guys, of course we understand that we are already not a hegemon. However, if you dare not to recognize us as such, we will start a war and it will be worse for you. So let’s think about it.”
Therefore, by the way, in recent years, several times Putin has told the Americans that we are ready to fight. We are even ready for a nuclear war, if anything. So that they do not build illusions about the fact that blackmail can be turned on. Yes, what conditions did Hillary Clinton offer when she went to the polls? Turn on the nuclear blackmail of Russia so that she concedes. So that they don’t have illusions that they don’t go too far along this path, because when you go the path of confrontation, each next step cuts off your path back. Sooner or later you come to a situation where war becomes inevitable, even a nuclear one. That is not something desirable, but necessary, because you have no other options left.
Well, you see, they are trying to lead the remnants of the West, the so-called free world there. Because it’s not always the West, there is Japan, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, it’s still East. They are trying to keep their allies, their vassals under their control, to lead all this, to create such a closed system that will be in hostile relations with the rest of the world, while retaining the opportunity to spoil everyone. And again, try to keep the most of it, as they consider, – a high-tech world. And, relying on these capabilities, to re-conquer the planet. But I think that they are very much mistaken in this regard, because the manufacturing has long been located outside of both the United States and Europe. Now you can produce anything you want without their consent to the right to a patent. If we are talking about a global confrontation. In most areas of life and activity, we have sufficient technology and sufficient technological literacy. We just couldn’t launch many things on the market because the market was too narrow for us, – the western companies were already working on it. Take for example smartphones: the Russian market simply wasn’t big enough to outperform Apple. They’re just like a global company, like other companies, they were just in the perfect position from the start. And no company can enter other markets without winning its own, in principle.
That’s why now the United States are seriously mistaken when they think that they will just leave technology under them, which means that they will make everyone else bow down. It was before, being a hegemon, that they could arrange price scissors according to which these high-tech goods sold for more than raw materials, food, and so on. Now, we see a frenzied rise in prices for raw materials and foodstuffs that completely devalue the European industrial and technological power or the American one. Because if China can buy raw materials in Russia two or three times cheaper than Europe, or even four or five times cheaper, then it immediately becomes more competitive accordingly. While the enterprises of the same European brands in China will continue to operate exactly as they will keep working with us. The factories that we have built will not go anywhere, they will work even if European companies leave us. The factories will still work with our companies, will change brands, and still produce. Overall, by and large, it’s the same.
That is, if we succeed, we will sell a little less, but it will cost much more. If we fail, we will sell more and it will cost a little less, but still big money.
Therefore, until now, while the West is in confrontation with us, the price tags for energy carriers will not fall. In both cases, the situation is beneficial for us.
If Biden lobbies for the rejection of Russian energy, then the European economy will die, and the world will become one less competitor not only for the United States, but for us too. Because, in this case, we will be able to deliver our goods to the vacant place in Europe sooner or later.
So let him go. The most dangerous thing there is not that he is going to talk about a ban on the import of Russian oil to Europe. He is going to Poland to talk about the possibility of introducing peacekeeping forces from the west to the territory of Ukraine.
Moreover, the United States formed its position quite cunningly. They said no, it would not be NATO forces, but it could be the forces of some NATO countries. That is, it seems that the United States has nothing to do with this, it’s just that individual countries decided themselves, but these are NATO countries, and if it comes into confrontation with Russia, it’s clear that the question will immediately arise, what will be the reaction of NATO? How will NATO support its allies? Will it support it? And if not, then does NATO need such a thing? And if so, in what way? Money, goods, weapons? Or some armed forces will be sent to help them… And then who else will enter into a confrontation with Russia and how far this confrontation can lead.
Let me remind you that Macron called for preparations for a pan-European war. And he did not rely on French desires but on concrete actions of the United States. When he assessed the very situation. And his assessment, in general, is close to the truth. That is, it is clear that the All-European War may not happen, because at least we do not want this, and we are fighting hard against it, and the Europeans themselves are not particularly fond of it. But, nevertheless, there are forces in Europe, like the Poles, who are making these proposals, and outside of Europe, it is the United States, which would like to start a major war in Europe with the participation of Russia. And they are fighting for their interests, and who will win there, time will tell.
I do not think that Poles really want a part of the territory of Ukraine, because it is to get somewhere between 10-15 million Bandera for 35 million Poles. This is a lot. This is not the 2 million that Poland digested after the Great Patriotic War.
This can destabilize Poland very much, because such a minority makes up a third of the entire population, which is absolutely hostile to this population. Bandera massacred the Poles, and the Poles hate Bandera. And when these two cultures collide on the same territory in a non-abstract way, such as, everyone lives in their own country and both hate Russia; – and when they collide on the same territory it turns out that they also hate each other, – for Poland it will not be like a gift.
It is important for the Poles to maintain a Ukrainian buffer between themselves and Russia. Therefore, theoretically, by entering western Ukraine, they can try to preserve Ukrainian statehood at least in three, four, at least five regions, and this Ukrainian statehood will be due to the demarcation line, not making peace with Russia, but concluding a truce on the principle of the Minsk agreements. They will, because of the line of demarcation, all the time claim the entire territory of Ukraine, the Crimea, the Donbass and even the Kuban and Voronezh.
And Russia will always have this problem, a splinter sticking out in the boot, which will not allow much concentration against Poland.
Therefore, the Poles are making serious enough efforts to preserve Ukrainian statehood, in one form or another. Another thing is that they are also afraid, because you don’t understand that if they go out alone on their own initiative without any support, they will simply be kicked in the neck and thrown back, and this will end the liberation campaign.
But they understand that they cannot rely on the verbal, political support of the United States. That the United States will put pressure on their European allies to provide more help, and so on. And if all this works out, if the Poles know that they are not alone, but at least two or three of them, and that, for example, Germany, France, everyone else was forced to somehow help, for example, to send military equipment, transfer aviation , then they may well afford to venture into western Ukraine.
Ukraine somehow feels insecure in such a position, but the fact is that Russian forces are also unable to stretch indefinitely. You see, we are even dealing with Ukraine step by step. That is, not everything at once, although the configuration of the Ukrainian borders made it possible, given sufficient military resources, to complete the problem, to close the issue in three weeks, and after that to deal only with cleansing.
But our military resources are not unlimited. In order to create an appropriate army, it is necessary to mobilize. which no one wants to do, because we still have a special operation not a war. If Polish resources are connected to these Ukrainian resources, which are now opposing Russia, then the problem of promotion will be even stronger. If other NATO countries are looming behind Poland, then the question arises whether we can grind all these armies that are potentially opposing us with the help of available forces, or we need to either mobilize or resort to nuclear weapons. Especially since any NATO country entering into a conflict is a country of a bloc that has nuclear weapons. In accordance with the Russian military doctrine, we can strike such a bloc with a nuclear strike even first.
As you understand, the issue is very difficult to resolve, and both of these decisions will be extremely disadvantageous, including for Russia. It doesn’t matter who wins later, but this also means big losses, and not only human, but economic, and so on and so forth.
Therefore, naturally, we are trying to avoid this option, and are trying to close the issue with Ukraine without the participation of our Western friends and partners. We try not to let them interfere in this matter. In this regard, of course, we use the position of the United States, because they do not want to give guarantees to anyone, and we demonstrate that we will fight. Consequently, if the United States does not give you guarantees of military support, you understand that yes, they will fight with you longer, not 3 months, but 6 months, not 6 months, but a year. But all the same, they will grind you down, and then the question arises, why do we Poles need such pleasure? Well, we’ll fight for a year, we’ll distribute orders, and then what? Then collect Poland brick by brick?
Therefore, now the pro-American European lobby is in a state of unstable equilibrium; it wants to intervene in this conflict, but is afraid. The Americans do not yet give sufficient guarantees.
Biden is now going to Poland to talk about exactly this, and we’ll see what he tells them.
Well, I think not now, not now, but in general, given what trends have prevailed in the Baltics. Sooner or later the denazification operation will have to be carried out, because, as the history of Ukraine shows, living next to the Nazi state, even if it is small, means everything equally uncomfortable.
Just because we are two different systems, we are on different sides of good and evil, and we will always be in confrontation with each other, and confrontation with the state that is on our borders will always be used by our enemies, regardless of who is this enemy at the moment.
Therefore, naturally, if the Balts do not take it reasonably, then sooner or later they, just like Ukraine, will ask for the denazification operation. Ukraine asked for a long time, in fact, persuaded for 30 years.
Therefore, Ukraine began to prepare for a war with Russia from the first day of its Independence. It was, by the way, her idea-fix. Well, it was getting ready, getting ready, now 30 years have passed – she got ready. Finally, she asked for the war. By and large, the Balts behave in the same way. They now think that they are covered by NATO and the EU, but as the practice of recent years has shown, this is a very unreliable umbrella.
It is unlikely that anyone will be especially tense and risk a major war for the Baltic states. Moreover, there is always a casus bellum. It’s just that now, of course, Russia is too busy to go to the Baltic states. If only they won’t interfere with Russia on their own along with the Poles. They once tried to attack Belarus. They can repeat. If they themselves do not get involved in this matter, then the problem, the Baltics, is a problem of the distant future. During this time, they can change their minds, correct themselves, establish normal contacts, and choose other politicians.
But if the Baltic statehood develops in the same direction in which it has been developing for the last thirty years, then sooner or later the denazification operation is inevitable.
If I am not mistaken NATO today state that will not send nobody to Ukraine, this seems like a clear message that if Poland send soldiers and they are attack they can not invoke the article 5.
The president of Germany also said something about they don’t support at all a peace mission.
I think NATO countries knows that there is a red line that if they cross will bring to the nuclear war.
They will never accept publicly but they now. Only stupid Poland and Baltics are so mad by their historic hate to Eussia that they would destroy the world.
US also hate Russia as nobody but not to the limit of self destruction
Half of US don’t trust Media, and likely to favor Putin when Putin is anti-Media
So, only half of Americans don’t trust sticking their hand inside a scorpion nest and therefore no recommendation. lol
It does not matter, I am a from Europe and I neither believe the lies our governments told.
But I have 0 power or influence and even 0 possibility to talk free. E.g. in my work in Germany a worker was fired because he showed support to the true version of this war. Journalist are being imprisoned in Europe, or black listed
The people in US or Europe (we even less) don’t count at all in any decision.
Media and the government will lie as much as they want, punish who disagree publicly and pretend that every one support their mad position.
Very well said! I can say here in Brazil we are heading towards the same: People don’t count at all in any decision. Media and the government will lie as much as they want. Who disagree publicly is humiliated. They pretend every one support their mad position.
But there is some difference. I’ve heard they are testing new hybrid war tactics. Despite government + media + military + judiciary are together, they pretend to be sort of “fighting” each other. Government supporters think the media is against the government (but it isn’t). They think the president is “against the system” – while he is perfectly playing his role within the system. Lies, lies, lies… Empire of lies here too. They made it so even the left wing is utterly confused/lost. “Total dominance spectrum” is another hybrid-war term we can see in practice here.
We also had a CIA-backed coup , in 2016… we also have a clown as President… false flags… people in the streets protesting, moved by $$$ propaganda, thinking they are in a “grass roots” movement. Oh man… I wish I knew less…
We are known to be a peaceful country… government is currently supporting the arming of the population… the regulations to buy guns has been dismantled… they are creating their national mercenary militia, armed to the teeth… guns sales sky-rocketed. Probably, if the result of the presidential elections here, at the end of this year, is not as they want, we’ll see much worse “Capitol” scenes here. I hope I’m wrong.
Yes, yes and yes. You certainly is right
You are right about the 2 fake sides.
Media and most governments and oppositions are in the same side.
They can be rightist or lefties but at the end most of them are pure puppets of US. Media is controlled by them totally, the change in power from one party to other is just a theater.
It may change something in small details but nothing in what matters.
So far, the only really independent power in most countries through Europe (and American countries) were the Justice. They opposed government and media in several hits during the last year. But they are being halted and controlled so nothing remains.
We live in a totalitarian state that becomes more obvious each year…
This is true in my native country (Spain), in the country where I live (Germany) and I am afraid that is the same in all European space and American space. Maybe some south American countries are more protected but for what I see most of them follow the pattern too.
Very sad, Zone A as they call it here is a totalitarian state totally submissive to the US elites
President Bolsonaro supports Putin and Russia. The US placed a CNN inside Brazil to advertise in Portuguese. They knew that the war in Ukraine would happen. Most of the military and agribusiness support Putin and Russia. Sergio Moro Guaido puppet will lose. The serious people of Brazil want the BRICs. Only Brazilian Masonics support the US, puppet Zelensky and Ukraine.
People will have to realize if they are not ready to fight, and sacrifice, for their freedom that they will not have it. As simple as that. Moreover, evil will blossom on the land of indifference.
They’re corrupt Nazis.
This Alice in Wonderland language! ‘A peace mission.’!!!
NATO’s “technical” capabilities are simply not matching the needs. This they know. Their very own generals are telling them, and get fired for it. I’m living in Western Europe and would prefer to freeze a bit, have extreme rise in energy prices. It MUST hit those who sponsor the war. These are not the people, these are the conglomerates and monopods which are disguised as “Public-Private-Partnerships” and other Orwellian names. We have all these Problems since the 2008 collapse and it started with Greece which was not only their fault.
Russia must urgently cut all supply now, engird, raw materials, everything needed for the industries in Europe. Both, US and EU have talked themselves in such rage against Russia and they want to destroy Russias economy, so why not blocking them. Create poverty, so people begin to think… In Europe the majority is clearly effected by this propaganda which hammers on their heads.
The real global geopolitical game starts now with Putin and Russia’s decision to use rubles in gas deals with “hostile” countries! This is an awesome move! Let’s see what pawns like Poland, Pound, €, … the Financial Empire will use now. This will really De-Dollarize. Thank you, Russia!
“it “makes no sense anymore” to sell Russian goods in the US and the EU while receiving payment in dollars or euros. He said that the ruble will be used for the sale of Russian natural gas to, what Moscow considers to be, “hostile” countries.”
“The West has de facto destroyed the credibility of its currencies.”
Here are some interesting articles:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/putin-wants-hostile-states-to-pay-rubles-for-gas-interfax-says
https://www.rt.com/russia/552558-putin-credibility-dollar-euro/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-22/niall-ferguson-putin-and-biden-misunderstand-history-in-ukraine-war
This have been a very Good decision for Russia.
The west will not sell anything to Russia anyway so for what to have their currencies.
Imposing them to use rublos force them to buy rubles, from Russian Central bank or maybe from India or China, this increase the value of the ruble and create a circuit of ruble.
So the ruble will be more valuable to buy the few things Russia may need from China or India (maybe medicines).
With this movement the so much vaunted collapse of the Russian economy will not happen, Russian economy will suffer a transition period but probably next year will be growing again while in the West we will struggle with unlimited social problems.
People should follow what is happening for example in Spain (supermarkets are empty because the truckers stop working because high prices), in France there is also riots and in more countries.
Media is trying to silence in crazy level but sooner or later this will arise.
Just so people know the Orwellian level. In Madrid on Sunday there were a strike of 800 000 people and not even one new appear in the big newspapers of the country.
I guess similR thing are happening across other countries of Europe, since supposedly Spain was one of the less exposed to the Russian energy
Indeed, the ‘Orwell Level’ is off the scale. MSM will only report whats sanctioned from above in an approved manner.
Not only that, decent from the approved narrative by citizens is not tolerated, first it was as hominem attacks, vilification, calling conspiracy theorists, deplatforming. Now its police action and prosecution.
“Germany Conducts Mass Raids Over Online ‘Insults’ Against Elected Officials”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/germany-conducts-mass-raids-online-insults-elected-officials/
Unless of course your advocating violence against Russians or calling for assignation of VVP.
Is this what we in the ‘west’ have generally come to, a sick, twisted, immoral, corrupt, unthinking, rabid mass of unthinking scum?
It breaks my heart.
So it is Very VERY Clear. The enemy is not your Neighbor, who has different Views, you can still get along.
It is # 1…. the Media who is controlled and paid for by the Governments to spread Group think.
Turn off your TV, read no newspaper fish wrap, listen to Music and not hate speech, read Novels like 1984 by George Orwell, cross check any Media against others for facts and If you believe the current situation In Ukraine is being told truthfully, then where are the Millions of “Ukrainian Smart Phones” beaming out that the Internet runs, shops are open, train, power, water and at least 3 civilian airports are open and not “Bombed”.
Yes there are areas the Ukes take up in civilian areas to be protected by the people. Not now.
If you continue down the media road then, Oh Yes, you will beg to go into a cattle car for a clean shower, a bed and 3 wonderful free meals a day. Group smoking will be permitted after the festivities.
I remember that back in 2010, couple days after that unfortunate crash of presidential plane due to bad weather conditions and pilot’s mistake, even the biggest rusophobe Kaczynski made a famous and very popular video “Kaczynski speach to Russians” in which he called Russians our slavic brothers, he mentioned that his own father was rescued by some Russian soldier back in World War II and he recognised great sacrifice of Russian soldiers for Poland’s freedom from nazism, milions of them died for that. I kid you not. Back then being ardent rusophobe was a disgrace. He was called out by other politicians that he harbours secretly russophobia and that’s why he made this video, because before 2014 being rusophobe was the same as being nut and you could loose a lot of voters, just because you were spewing some nonsense about Russia.
But some time after Maidan coup MSM done sucsesful psyop on Poles. Outcome is clearly visible. Now rusophobia is view of majority, not minority. I don’t even need to mention you that majority of Poles have no clue about 14k of victims in Donbass. Ukies were made saints.
I remember 2010. Putin hugged devastated Donald Tusk, both with tears in the eyes. Could you imagine that? Same was for many average Poles and Russians. In those days Russians were like brothers for us. Despite ups and downs in our history. Now it is gone. It is a shame, what has happened.
Yet Russia refused to release the wreckage of the crashed plane. Any ideas why ?
I’m not fond of Poland at all, especially that big piece of formerly prussian+german+russian land which is Poland nowadays, but… don’t you think they have very good historical reasons to be anti-russian?
Reading your comment, i recall a meeting i attended which was quite international…everyone gathered because their cars were a common interest. From a distance i saw a Danish friend run up to me when he spotted me arriving…I got out of my car and held up my hand in horror and said to him that i had just finished reading a book about the Vikings and all the evils that they had done to the Iceni tribe and that i was now very reluctant to shake the hand of a Danish descendant of these evil Viking hordes… he looked at me devastated and blubbered “but this was SO long ago…”and almost burst into tears…Naturally i then gave him a big hug and told him i was delighted to see him again…
I don’t need to go to Vikings era. Swedish soldiers have killed many people in my hometown back in XVII century.
But I have no hatred toward them too.
No, especially after Russians made many very friendly gestures toward Polish people. For example, Russians have admitted their mistakes from the past, they changed their stance on Kathyn. It was wind of change from the very top of Russian goverment.
Poles didn’t ingored those friendly gestures. But our politicians prefered after some time to stick with the West and backstab Russians.
And now we are forced to cry for Ukrainians, which are still denying their actions in Wolhynia and made Nazi collaborator national heroes. Those are very good historical reasons to be anti-Ukrainian. Yanukovich was also very friendly toward Poles, he condemned Banderovites. Title of national heroes was taken from Bandera. Polish politicians repaid him by stabing him in the back and supporting Maidan. Even Kaczynski, whose father was saved by Russian, was shouting next to Oleg Tiahnybok “Glory to Heroes”, which means glory to Banderovites, on Mairdan square in 2014. Tiahnybok was known for calling for killing Russians and Jews.
Our politician are bunch of disgusting souless creatures. I refuse to follow them.
Got it. Fair enough. Thank you.
Much appreciated.
i believe they are blackmailed in a big way and try to maneuver a lot between their idea of the future and the one forced from outside, and outside is in forcing overdrive lately, we also see unprecedented attack on poland from ue institutions and are slowly being excluded from (nothing to cry after especially now), so we are at crossroads and our future depends on correct decisions and i’m not sure if this bunch gonna make it,
being a politician in times of war is not thing for weak minded.
Well, that way or another we gonna see Gods plans for us
Greetings from poland
There have always been two groups of people in Poland. Pro-Russian and Occidentalist. Probably no one remembers, but the candidates for the elected king of Poland were Ivan IV the Terrible and Fyodor I Ivanovich. Before the partitions, the only chance to preserve the territorial integrity of Poland was to put Poland under the protectorate of Russia. Unfortunately, a pro-Prussian group of Poles made this impossible. Poland disappeared from the map of Europe. As for the Polko-Moscow wars, most of them were inspired by the English or by Rome, which necessarily wanted to introduce Catholicism in Russia. Now, as in the past, there is probably a pro-Russian option in Poland, but in a country invigilated by MOSSAD and CIA, it is unlikely to reveal itself.As for Banderovskaya Ukraine, it is God’s punishment for Poland, for the Union of Brest and the creation of the Uniate Church. After all, Ukrainians in the west of Ukraine are Uniates.
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“don’t you think they have very good historical reasons to be anti-russian?”
I think they have very good historical reasons to be similarily anti-german too.
really i’m trying to wrap my head around russophobes forgetting that contrary to germany with which we were at constant war since beginnings of poland with russia we had good relations quite frequently.
As Janek says, we have no own politics but are steered by cia/mossad thugs, and also agree on karma which gonna follow us till we rise and make the right decisions, till then hope God and Kremlin gonna have mercy and won’t turn us to mariupol
No,at least not anymore than for them to be anti-German. And they seem to be fairly friendly with Germany today. While after the partitions of Poland in the 18th Century Russia ended up with the lion’s share of ethnic Poland it didn’t start that way. Russia mostly got only the old Rus areas that Poland had taken themselves centuries before. Almost all the ethnic Polish lands were taken by Prussia and Austria. Russia only gained part of that territory after Napoleon had seized them from Prussia and Austria and made them into a Duchy of Warsaw. The Russian intention then was to rule the newly created by them, Kingdom of Poland in the same manner they ruled Finland. Giving them a lot of self-rule. But twice in 30 years the old Polish noble classes rebelled against Russia in bloody wars. So after that Russia clapped down on them and reduced their area of ethnic Poland to a so-called Vistula Lands province. After WWI a newly created Poland,not content with the ethnic Polish lands awarded them seized vast swathes of ethnic Ukrainian,Belarussian,German,and Lithuanian territory.They even grabbed a tiny slice of Czech territory. Pretty much antagonizing all their neighbors. After WWII the Soviets stripped Poland of all those territories in the East. But rewarded Poland with even richer lands formerly part of Germany in the West.
While during WWII the Germans enslaved Poland and murdered over 2 million ethnic Poles.And plotted to totally destroy the Polish ethnicity had they had a few more years of killing. The Soviets liberated Poland from that. The Poles like to hate on the Soviets/Russians for bringing them under Communism.They seem to forget that there were large numbers of Poles that supported that at that time. And that the Soviets themselves Communists,didn’t consider they were doing anything to hurt Poland. They considered Communism to be the way the world should be.
The Poles having the mindset that to be Western is to be a superior being. Seem to hate being considered Slavs. And look down on Eastern Slavs as barbarians. They easily overlook their German killers. But hate their actual liberators instead. I’m not saying that the Poles have to love Russians. I’d be happy if they just didn’t try constantly to harm Russia.
Uncle Bob thank you for explaining the history of Poland, I never understood it, much less understand their mentality. I got a better understanding from this:
https://inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6391
“Beck ended his speech with a stirring climax that produced wild excitement in the Polish Sejm. Someone in the audience screamed loudly, ****“We do not need peace!”**** and pandemonium followed. Beck had made many Poles in the audience determined to fight Germany. This feeling resulted from their ignorance which made it impossible for them to criticize the numerous falsehoods and misstatements in Beck’s speech. Beck made the audience feel that Hitler had insulted the honour of Poland with what were actually quite reasonable peace proposals. Beck had effectively made Germany the deadly enemy of Poland.”
What does that remind you of? Goebbels “Total War” speech. Then this:
“On March 26, 1939, the Polish Ambassador to Berlin, Joseph Lipski, formally rejected Germany’s settlement proposals. The Poles had waited over five months to reject Germany’s proposals, and they refused to countenance any change in existing conditions. Lipski stated to German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop that “it was his painful duty to draw attention to the fact that any further pursuance of these German plans, especially where the return of Danzig to the Reich was concerned, meant ****war with Poland.”****”
Effectively, Poland was quite happy to go to war with Germany over Danzig, with British approval. Germany wanted peace with Poland.
“American historian Richard M. Watt writes concerning Britain’s unilateral guarantee to Poland: “This enormously broad guarantee virtually left to the Poles the decision whether or not Britain would go to war. For Britain to give such a blank check to a Central European nation, particularly to Poland—a nation that ****Britain had generally regarded as irresponsible and greedy****—was mind-boggling.””
Then you read the atrocities/massacres committed by the Poles against the ethnic Germans, something they’ve conveniently chosen to forget.
Then there’s the strange fact, that had Britain and France carried out their promises to Poland, the three combined forces could have easily defeated Germany and WW2 would never have started. What did Britain do – fly over Germany and drop leaflets, which someone in the British army described as supplying Europe with a supply of toilet paper.
From the following article you discover this:
https://ww2truth.com/2019/03/10/why-germany-invaded-poland/
“President Roosevelt knew that Poland had caused the crisis which began at Danzig, and **** he was worried that the American public might learn the truth about the situation****. This could be a decisive factor in discouraging ****Roosevelt’s plan for American military intervention in Europe.**** Roosevelt instructed U.S. Ambassador Biddle to ****urge the Poles to be more careful in making it appear that German moves were responsible for any inevitable explosion at Danzig****. Biddle reported to Roosevelt on August 11, 1939, that Beck expressed no interest in engaging in a series of elaborate but empty maneuvers designed to deceive the American public. Beck stated that at the moment he was content to have ****full British support for his policy****.
Roosevelt also feared that American politicians might discover the facts about the hopeless dilemma which Poland’s provocative policy created for Germany. When American Democratic Party Campaign Manager and Post-Master General James Farley visited Berlin, ****Roosevelt instructed the American Embassy in Berlin to prevent unsupervised contact between Farley and the German leaders. The German Foreign Office concluded on August 10, 1939 that it was impossible to penetrate the wall of security around Farley. The Germans knew that President Roosevelt was determined to prevent them from freely communicating with visiting American leaders.****”
It’s patently obvious that Poland was set up by the British and Americans in order to justify a full-scale war with Germany.
Then you discover this.
https://williambowles.info/2022/03/05/history-of-world-war-ii-operation-barbarossa-myths-and-reality/
The statement “until Chamberlain, under pressure from public opinion, felt compelled to side with Poland in its conflict with Hitler over Gdansk (Danzig).” I take it to mean the British public had also been deceived because the situation had been framed as German aggression against Poland, and were not aware of the atrocities/massacres committed by the Poles against the ethnic Germans (exactly the same situation we have today, being framed as Russian aggression against Ukraine.)
“In 1939 and 1940, the Blitzkrieg duly worked its magic, as the combination of excellent equipment and plentiful fuel permitted the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe to overwhelm the Polish, Dutch, Belgian, and French defences in a matter of weeks; Blitzkriege, “lightning-fast wars”, were invariably followed by Blitzsiege, “lightning-fast victories”. By the summer of 1940, Germany looked invincible and predestined to rule the European continent indefinitely. As for Britain, the German high command had never been asked to prepare plans to invade that country. Why not? ***Hitler had always yearned for a continental war against the Soviets**** and counted on British political leaders such as ****Chamberlain, known to be virulently anti-Soviet****, to watch approvingly from the sidelines. London’s infamous policy of “appeasement” confirmed this expectation, until Chamberlain, under pressure from public opinion, felt compelled to side with Poland in its conflict with Hitler over Gdansk. Under these circumstances, Hitler decided to postpone his planned eastern war so he could deal with Poland and the Western powers first. That is why he proposed a deal to the Soviets, whose offers to establish a common ****anti-Hitler front had repeatedly been rebuffed by London and Paris****. The infamous “Pact”, which they concluded with Hitler in August 1939, offered them ****extra space and time to prepare for a Nazi attack they knew to be merely postponed until a later date.****”
The conclusion is, the real goal for Germany, the US and Britain, was the total collapse of Russia so they could go in and plunder the country, but Russia had finally got its act together and surprised them all.
Given the fact that Russia for the first time has openly threatened to nuke the US and Britain (frankly, I couldn’t care less if Britain does get nuked, hopefully City of London first), and that for the first time in history, the US could be sitting under a pile of rubble, I can’t see them taking the risk. They’re all cowards, UK, US, EU and shit scared of Russia, that’s why they hate it so much.
“It’s patently obvious that Poland was set up by the British and Americans in order to justify a full-scale war with Germany”. 100% correct. Thank you.
” especially that big piece of formerly prussian+german+russian land which is Poland nowadays, ”
Why do you think that is ? Maybe because of Soviet machinations ? Did the Poles chose their own borders ? Does Russia occupy some formerly Polish lands ? Your anti-Polonism is showing mein Fuhrer.
I don’t care what it shows. I don’t buy the post-WW2 narrative at all. The reasons for that, at least regarding Poland, are basically summarized in the comment by Carol that you can read above here. Nowadays, what I don’t like is European countries flirting with NATO, Poland and Denmark above all, amongst others of course.
Formerly since ancient times has been Great Slavic Lechia. Berlin has been Slavic Bralin. Try to find on the map a river called Lech in Western Germany.
Formerly since ancient times it has been land of Great Slavic Lechia. Berlin has been Bralin. Try to find on the map a river in West Germany called Lech.
I was delighted to be able to access RT today while enjoying my java this morning and was greeted with this headline:
“China supporting Russia with ‘lies and misinformation’ – NATO chief
Jens Stoltenberg said the military bloc will “address the role of China” at an upcoming summit”
As I was wiping the coffee spray from my device I thought of a reasoned, succinct and intelligent response to Jens Stoltenbarf:
LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!
Fun fact: in my language (italian) the surname Stoltenberg sounds more or less like “Mountain of stupidity”.
Nomen omen. XD
In Nordic, it is closer to ‘Mountain of (the) pride’
Biden told Zelensky Ukraine will not join NATO he then told Zelensky to lie that the NATO door was still open, That lying warmonger Stoltenberg told the world just before the Russian intervention that the NATO door was still open, he lied https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/21/admission-from-zelenskyy-highlights-how-biden-administration-wanted-to-provoke-russia-to-invade-ukraine/
So Poland doesn’t want to house 15 million Banderistas-nazis.
But they want the land which once was their’s.
They would fight for this land in order to get it, but they want the NATO/US with them in the fight.
The US likes the idea of more and wider war. Belarus must be sucked into it, also.
And why not the Baltics? They serve only for that reason. Draw Russia into a wider war.
So, how does Russia avoid this war most desperately set up by Washington?
It uses military-technical (weapons no one can defend).
It also internationalizes the denazification. More Chechens brought and based in Novorossiya. And more friends who have military units ready to deploy to a join the fight in Ukraine.
70% of the world is with Russia on this fight against fascism and nazism.
Use that support.
The rebuilding and stabilizing of the war zone will take an immense human effort. The more participation of others, the smoother it will go.
Security will be a big issue, and until domestic forces can be rebuilt and trained, foreign participants can help deal with the corrupt, the criminal and the marauders from left over Ukie and nazi formations.
Russia will write the rules. But make this more international.
I would assign the task to Kadyrov. He did it before in Chechnya. He’s got the manpower.
Denazify and change the story from a purely Russian Operation to an International Venture.
I must be dense.
I just don’t see much difference between this action and the USA going into Iraq in 2003 .
In both cases, the bottom line is that there was a regime that was unacceptable.
The Americans didn’t like Saddam (for whatever reasons).
The Russians don’t like Nazis.
The USA said that Saddam was oppresing (some of) Iraq’s people.
The Russians say that the Kiev govt is oppressing (some of) its people.
I realize that this is primitive comparison.
Nevertheless the two situations seem to me to be comparable in many ways.
Has anyone challenged the USA on this point?
You did the same thing.
So STFU.
And don’t think of starting WW3 because of the Ukraine and /or dragging a bunch of European countries into the mess while you sit on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, laughing.
I almost hope the Poles make Biden sign on the dotted line to send US troops—not mercs, but actual US troops such as the Marines, or something. Then we will know where we stand. And, it might even get through to the American minds what a dangerous imbecile Biden is, and generate some public angst.
Big difference. For Russia, Ukraine and, by extension, NATO pose an immediate threat to its existence. For the US, Iraq did not pose any such threat. Claims by the Bush administration that it did were pure lies.
I agree with, of course. I guess I didn’t express my point clearly.
It was not to analyze the actual differences between the situation.
It was to point out that since USA does not accept and acknowledge that Russia has any genuine security issues with the Ukraine, and describes the invasion as purely gratuitous aggression, that denial invites the comparison of the two invasions.
Once you deny that Russia has genuine national security issues in the Ukraine, that kind of levels the rhetorical battlefield.
Viz.:
“OK, you did the same thing: invaded a country just because you didn’t like the leadership and you were supposedly afraid of WMDs. (The latter is analogous to Russia’s intel regarding biolabs.)” At least in the Ukraine the “WMD/biolabs” were found!!!
It is not a huge insight but I think it is a valid point.
Russian State Duma Committee on International Affairs Deputy Chairman Vyacheslav Nikonov.said on E1010 of RT Going Underground (sorry, no transcript) that (as I recall) > “for us there’s no difference between the west, NATO, and the nazis..these are the countries that attacked us in 1941″…so yes indeed, it is absolutely about nazis.
see> episode> https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/549853-russia-ukraine-drills-tension/
“‘America is lying as easily as it breathes’ – Russian Duma committee deputy chairman on Ukraine crisis (E1010)”
C’mon guys… this war is not about defeating nazism, nor just about overthrowing a regime they don’t like.
It’s about Russia’s impossibility to let NATO directly control that strategic area.
You may have missed the point.
It’s not the strategic area but the ideology and weaponization of the area.
So, yes, it is very much about the denazification of the area.
And it is very much about the demilitarization (de-weaponization) of the people in the area.
So, don’t think you are more clever than the Russians.
They said it straight.
As for NATO, that’s a stand-in for the US.
The correct overriding analysis is the operation is to remove the US (NATO), the nazis and the weapons (present and in the future) from the area.
Quite simple. Back off. Drop the gun. Take the psychopaths with you.
They also said it straight that the main point is the self-preservation of Russia’s integrity, and to avoid a serious threat to its existence. The “denazification” came later, at least in official speeches.
Nonetheless, I agree with you, except for the fact that, to me, “denazification” is mainly used rethorically. And that’s because, save from some ideological and aesthetical similarities, I really do not see real national-socialism in Ukraine nowadays, under many respects. I’m sorry, but that comparison is always “stretched to fit” an anti-nazi narrative. And that is, regardless of how genuine and sincere the Russian laments are upon this point.
Nationalism, Roman salute, militarism and a couple of swastikas…is not enough to make you a “nazi”, especially after you’ve basically sold your soul to the US. No real nazi would have ever done that.
Gab:
I am talking about how others (USA/NATO) *say* they view this war and taking that as a point of departure.
Not how writers and commenters at this blog (including me) *actually* view it.
I dropping this now. Obviously, too complicated!
It’s not a lot ask that NATO doesn’t set up shop on Russia’s border… seems more than reasonable to insist it doesn’t happen…. the deNazification is real for sure and a huge bonus. Thanks Vlad….better known as the only grown up in the room.
The USA said that Saddam had WMD, which was revealed a lie (admitted by Collin Powell himself in 2007). That the Nazi regime of Ukraine massacres the Donbass people and oppresses the Russophones is proven and was even admitted by OSCE. Also, Iraq is miles away from the US and had no chance and no intention to threaten it, while Ukraine is directly on the Russian border. So the two situations are not comparable in any way.
Saddam Hussein 2003 is not the correct analogy.
This is like the US and Mexico in 1835. Texas declared independence from Mexico. Mexico labeled it a “breakaway province”. Ten years later the US annexed Texas over Mexico’s objection. A short time after that the US declared war against Mexico and conquered all the parts of the modern southwestern US it didn’t already own.
Russia is the US. Donbas is Texas. Mexico is Ukraine. Mexico’s big brother Austria is NATO. No, Austria could not prevent the US from taking Donbas and the rest of the territory it wanted from Mexico by force.
Got it?
That was a wild comparison that makes no sense. Russia doesn’t want Ukraine ! Period.
Dear Larchmonter445.
“70% do mundo está com a Rússia nesta luta contra o fascismo e o nazismo.”
Brazil included.
Cheers.
——————–
Deepl-translate from mod:
“70% of the world stands with Russia in this struggle against fascism and Nazism.”
Well said. Kadyrov is truly a remarkable leader. I remember years ago he graciously offered to send Chechen divisions to the aid of Syria, it’s a shame they didn’t take him up on the offer, Idlib and Afrin would’ve been cleared ages ago.
Perhaps Russian Air Force can airlift some Chechens battalions to lockdown the border with Poland and Romania before Biden gets froggy.
Regards from Nato Occupied Latvia!
Talking sensibly.
Spot on. Thank you for your observations and comments. Highly appreciated.
”Therefore, by the way, in recent years, several times Putin has told the Americans that we are ready to fight. We are even ready for a nuclear war, if anything. So that they do not build illusions about the fact that blackmail can be turned on…”
The hypersonic Zircon / 11000 km per hour / From Russia with Love / Russian Army Weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1u6NfPlPJU
The hypersonic missile Zircon: Episode 2 / Russian Army Weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuk4-AQZ4X8
Can anyone throw any light on a guy called Dimitry Utkin?its said he is head of some mercenary group called Wagner,i am not sure it really exists,the usual suspects have also called him a Nazi and tried to link him to Putin and the Russian armed forces,i think its a Psyops operation by the Empire,the propaganda is off the scale.
I don’t have any information about Dimitry Utkin, but the Wagner group (of which he is the alleged leader) is genuine as far as I can tell. It is financed by Russian money and is slowly but surely driving the hated French out of Africa’s Sahel region. Small wonder Wagner and Utkin are being greeted by the usual kind of niceties from the Russophobes.
I don’t know whet’s the exact truth of Utkin but I saw a picture of him and he has some …interesting… tattoos.
US will seize all Russian gold tomorrow.
Question for Putin: how the hell is it possible that RU gold is in the US Fed?
Naivety or complicity?
nope.
“Naivety or complicity?”
Neither. Russian gold that was “seized” doesn’t actualy exists. It is in the form of “gold futures”. It would be delivered in physical form …one day. Until than, it is sold and resold for profit many times. That is normal way of gold-business. Physical gold amounts to ~1% of “paper gold”.
“Gold Futures refers to a deal in which an individual agrees to take delivery of gold at a mutually decided upon date by making an initial payment, with the complete payment to be made as per an agreement. This trade is based on speculation, with an element of risk involved.”
There will be no seizing of gold. USA will try to put sanctions on buying Russian gold, which could freeze that asset. There is a problem with that. I don’t think that Russia is willing to sell gold to the West. Allies of Russia will buy that gold anyway. It could be also sold by some middle man.
Russia already responded today with “ruble for natural gas” policy and if USA will be too cocky Russia will ban nuclear fuel sales to USA, which also was announced as retaliatory measure, which is on the table.
Russia, China, others to a lesser degree, along with Central Banks have been buying physical gold for a decade; this despite both being 2 of the largest producers.
This gold will play a part in future financial transactions, guarantee, backed by, as such.
Fort Knox is empty, full of tungsten gold plated bars.
I have been thinking for a while, NATO in terms of the Baltic states is not tenable. Sooner or later ….. probably later. Once Ukraine is done, other things will come to the fore.
Idiocy: Germany depends on Russia for gas, as if Russia does not depend on Germany for cars.
The best peacekeeping operation is for the Banderites to stop hiding in residential neighborhoods among civilians. An even better peacekeeping operation is for the American masters to announce the resignation of Zelensky, who is in hiding in Poland.
I read a portion of the Ferguson piece.
Pretty easy to take it apart. Ferguson will Ferguson, constantly citing sources who write or are interviewed for the NYT, and I guess not noticing how this limits his own scope.
Just a couple of points:
1. “The Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy is a master of the art, carefully tailoring his speeches to each national parliament he addresses, . . .”
Does Ferguson think that Zelensky is actually writing these speeches himself?
2. “As the Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev told Der Spiegel [[Der Spiegel is basically the NYT in German]], Putin “expressed outrage that the annexation of the Crimea had been compared with Hitler’s annexation of the Sudetenland in 1938. Putin lives in historic analogies and metaphors. Those who are enemies of eternal Russia must be Nazis.”
Niall! Pay attention! You said that Putin was outraged that the annexation of the Crimea ***had been compared*** with Hitler’s annexation . . .” Apparently it was not Putin but someone else who was doing the comparing. Yet you go on to state, “Putin lives in historic analogies and metaphors. ” Uh, no, it was not Putin making these analogies and metaphors.
This is completely illogical, like much that Ferguson writes.
So, I suggest ignoring these ignoramuses such as high-brow MSM darlings like Ferguson.
Beautifully written and spot-on. A structured analysis of the geopolitical conundrum.
As events have proven that there are no certainties and the opponents are untrustworthy, there is only the hope left, that rational minds will appear who understand the self-destructive path they are taking…but sitting in London and observing the loonies running the show here, i fear there are few who even can understand the lack of logic and morality in the path they are taking…many of those “mercenaries” killed in the Ukraine were ex-UK Military instructors who had the full backing of the UK government…MI6 is totally committed to the aims of the City of London.
This is the former MI6 chief.
Sir John Sawer – Former MI6 Chief on the Ukraine & Russian Conflict – Oxford Union (34.03)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw5lzKVn3sc
His analysis and understanding of even only the fundamentals of geopolitics, is completely wrong.
He shows he does not understand Putin and does not ‘get’ Russia >
His assessment of Russia-China relationship is flawed, as is his understanding of China…
The presenter does not intrude and lets him address the audience and there is a Q&A session.
His audience (potential recruits into MI6 ) is clueless that Sawer is a liar and disingenous in his presentation of events
Note too the many “rhetorical-flourishes” he makes, where he makes subtle insults about VVP >
He boasts of his 40 year career…
With people like this, as government advisors on policy, it is no wonder that the UK is on the wrong path. Is he really so obtuse that he cannot grasp the realities of the sick world that the UK itself has shaped?
…or is he a consumate liar, hiding and obfuscating the real agenda?
He is either an imbecile or a liar…or both…and people of this ‘calibre’ are currently ‘running the show’ in the UK
It is now clear certainly since 1979, that both the USA and UK invented, trained, supported, financed, the very terrorist brigades that they claimed they are fighting in Syria…and it is clear too that they have given equally full support to the Banderites in the Ukraine
Mr. Sewage also brags of being at the board of BP , an UK oil company making all these decades good profits in Russia….
How is that these people arise now as patriots and leading the russophobic sheeple they turned their people through the pandemic into, when they were in first name terms with Rostneft CEOs?
Just two years ago they surrounded Sechin like beeds trying to get the first appointment in those Russian economic forums while he joked calling his CEO “Big Bob”…
The motherland of all these people is in their pockets.
Btw, Chubais left for the West, at last, and also did it the most unsavory conductor of now dissapeared nVesti News, Briliov….It seems that all will end having tea with Mr. Sewage…
We, Western russophiles, passed all these years complaining about these traitors, our intuiton was right.
The worst is that they leave with all the billions they have made in Russia….although, if that fortune is in dollars they may find it converted into fume soon…It would be poetic justice if they who plundered the Russians end being plundered by the “City of London”….And I fear returning to Russia after this will be more difficult…
Not even Berezovsky, who was such smart guy, could get that on time…
Thanks so much for this translation! Always a pleasure to read Ishchenko. And this is very helpful to help collate impressions of Phase 2.
“That’s why now the United States are seriously mistaken when they think that they will 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗻𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝘆 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺” This may not be clear to all. I think the intent of the words was that US was mistaken when they thought they would have 𝗮 𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗼𝗽𝗼𝗹𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗻𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝘆, a traditional economic and military weapon used for centuries against the rest of mankind.. I agree. This is among big checkmate moves. Due to off-shoring greed of capitalists, and superior education now in Zone B, they ceded the know-how to China and other Zone B factories… which built on these patents and know-how and can now out-innovate as well.
“Moreover, the United States formed its position quite cunningly. They said no, it would not be NATO forces, but it could be the forces of some NATO countries.”
This is the most interesting aspect of the secret arrangements. What is the plan for NATO? Maybe US is conceding to Russian ultimatum to withdraw from Europe its nuclear forces and to 1997 armed positions? And like Ol’ Blue Eyes, they are doing it Their Way? So getting the Poles into a EU-supported suicide charge would help shred NATO. One final move to see what damage the loons could do to Russia, then stroll back to CONUS whistling in innocence. The US is abandoning EU anyhow (except as a captive market) with ongoing death of its economies and Russian energy supply. NATO is a dead-weight to be dropped.
“but the fact is that Russian forces are also unable to stretch indefinitely .. our military resources are not unlimited.. If other NATO countries are looming behind Poland, then the question arises whether we can grind all these armies that are potentially opposing us with the help of available forces, or we need to either mobilize or resort to nuclear weapons”
This is the question in all our minds. How would Russia (without general conscription) deal with Poles and other NATO on Europe? Would stand-off missiles be sufficient? Unlikely. Resort to Nukes? Highly unethical, unless existential. Yet some territory needs to captured to demonstrate resolve, capabilities, impotence of NATO, and to redress lack of land access to Kaliningrad. This step is necessary to finally get the hyenas to withdraw without a nuclear war. They are relentless in their mindlessness.
“we are trying to avoid this option, and are trying to close the issue with Ukraine without the participation of our Western friends and partners.”
This is already too late. He is dreaming. USUK/NATO is fully unofficially engaged in the ongoing total war. Such passions have been stoked, they can neither back down nor will submit until the C&C are dealt with directly.
“the pro-American European lobby is in a state of unstable equilibrium; it wants to intervene in this conflict, but is afraid. The Americans do not yet give sufficient guarantees”
This is the key question to be answered in this week’s series of crucial meetings @ G7, EU, NATO, Pope, Biden in Poland… Will the deceitful US give “the guarantee?” Expect shenanigans by UK to grease the slide into Europe-wide war.
“Therefore, naturally, if the Balts do not take it reasonably, then sooner or later they, just like Ukraine, will ask for the denazification operation”
This should be music to ears of an old man @ Anoxia.. another Russian confirmation here.
How would Russia (without general conscription) deal with Poles and other NATO on Europe? Would stand-off missiles be sufficient? Unlikely. Resort to Nukes? Highly unethical, unless existential. Yet some territory needs to captured to demonstrate resolve, capabilities, impotence of NATO, and to redress lack of land access to Kaliningrad. This step is necessary to finally get the hyenas to withdraw without a nuclear war. They are relentless in their mindlessness.
The US want to use European NATO countries to fight with Russia in the fantasy that Russia will destroy Europe (and herself be weakened in the process) while leaving the US untouched. And by destroying Europe the US also hopes to eliminate one more economic competitor.
Illiterate idiots, incapable of understanding clearly given explanations as they are, the US failed to notice the key words of President Putin: that Russia will respond primarily to the decision makers launching aggression against her, only subsidiarily to the intermediaries.
If Poland invades Ukraine under a “peacekeeping” pretext, then Russia is likely to remove those forces immediately. But by invading Ukraine Poland is then a party to the war, by its own invitation – any military assets in Poland become legitimate targets.
However in her draft treaties submitted in December Russia did not propose removing Polish military forces from Poland – only non-Polish military forces and assets. And then there is the important matter of the threatening potentially nuclear cruise missile installation still under construction – that site is very much on the table.
So the logical response of Russia to Poland entering the war is not to destroy Polish military farces and assets, but exclusively non-Polish military forces and assets (including the contentious missile so-called defence assets). Responding in such a way would be a direct furtherance of Russia’s December ultimatum, and would leave the situation far less toxic to eventual conciliation between neighbours in the longer term. Other former Eastern Block NATO members would soon get the message and start negotiating with Russia in good faith (eg Romania for a start). The Baltics, as always, will be slow learners and might need some more tuition first.
Does Poland really want Western Ukraine?
They hate each other. I personally knew Poles who grew up in that region and were terrified of Ukrainians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
Will they send troops? Look back a week at the MIG circus – the U.S. said Poland could send MIGs to the Ukraine, the Ukraine said “You first” and they both immediately chickened out. It’s a joke.
Quote from this wiki page:
“The historian Timothy Snyder considers it likely that the UPA killed as many Ukrainians as it killed Poles, because local Ukrainians who did not adhere to its form of nationalism were considered traitors.”
This is exactly the same thing, which was happening in Donbass for 8 years. Banderovites are just murderous bunch of monsters. Pole, Russian, Ukrainian, Jew… Their list of target was very wide from the very beginning.
And they have made the same monsters into heroes. People have really short memory.
It is highly likely that a new country will emerge from this war, Novorossiya.
It will act as a buffer between Crimea and what is left of the land locked Ukraine and also a land connection to Russia. Fresh water to the North Crimean canal. No more UK provocations in the Black Sea. I don’t know the fate of the Kharkov region.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/03/larry-johnson-answers-some-importnat.html
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/what-will-be-the-geographic-end-state-of-the-war-in-ukraine.html#more
The Poles, I believe, should be grateful to Russia and Germany who taught them what little genuine culture and decency they have. The fact of the matter is that the Polish People’s Republic which was a brotherly neighbour of the USSR and the GDR is the one and only Polish State in history which has been:
a) atheist
b) not committed to landgrabbing abroad
c) not hosting foreign torture dungeons
Moreover, I think Rostislav Ishchenko is somewhat overcomplicating things here.
Firstly, and this is no secret to Russia and her allies, NATO:s ”Article 5” is pure fiction/cant/agitprop. NATO’s real calls to arms are by conspiracies such as the Maidan Nazi putsch. In the past, ”Article 5” had some value as a way of scaring less determined adversaries outside zone A telling them that ”We stand strong and forever united in fraternal solidarity”. Today, this sounds like the very silly joke which it is.
Secondly, Russia has absolutely no lack whatsoever in terms of manpower in order to manage any conceivable gang of ugly dogs high on Russophobia. The Chechens have already proved their formidable capabilities in the battlefield. For further reinforcements, ask the PLA.
What is so cultured about being an atheist? xD
Depends.
But it goes without saying that Poland would be appreciably better off without the Vatican’s influence. Evil, rotten filth. In retrospect, the constitutionally sanctioned atheism of the Polish People’s Republic stands out as a spectacular achievement. The worse for Poland.
Today is a good day for this planet
The most evil woman ever lived on earth is finally in the place she belongs to
Probably even Lucifer isn’t happy today
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/madeline-albright-dead-/2022/03/23/e527816e-8cf5-11e3-95dd-36ff657a4dae_story.html
+1 Probably suicide to avoid the upcomming Nuremberg 2.0. Like Hitler towards the end.
Strange she wasn’t awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. But at least she wrote ’Fascism — A Warning’. Touching, yes. Convincing, nah.
Soon, she will be joined by Kissinger, Soros, and some younger, handsome Ukronazis.
…and that dick, cheney. A great evil will then depart this world.
Can anyone inform me if Putin ever recognized anyone as President of Ukraine since the US Maidan “Revolution of Dignity” coup of yanukovych??
I don’t believe he has—in which case there is no way for Putin to negotiate or dicsuss anything with Zelensky as representing Ukraine, other than complimenting him on his exceptional talent as a comedian and entertainer.
Russia’s kowtowing days are over after a decade and a half (1990-2005) of appeasement (still every door for cooperation with AmeriCunt slammed in her face ) and forced to look on for the next decade, an observer, as its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe literary eroded. It’s taken them to the brink, maybe over the brink, who knows what the Evil Empire is plotting for tomorrow, next week, next month? All them USS Ouija command boards dotted like illegal bio-weapon labs all over Europe, searching for weaknesses in Russia’s defences.
The ideal scenario is that NATO folds, the cavalry not coming to the aid of a brash State like Poland. Next up the cracks in the EU appear when starved of cheap (relatively speaking ) energy and Russia picks them up one-by-one on individual contracts.
It’s been well established that the US are an extremely inefficient military fighting force, even against 4th rate combatants with no air force, missile defence systems, radars or lethal weaponry. The Brits don’t fair much better, the Europeans equally laughable. Europe is struggling at the moment to keep its cities lights burning and so where’s the vast amounts of energy required for war, even their storage tanks have vermin scurrying through them they’re empty.
Now is the time to be bold, stamp your authority, and should one of those critters make one false move, meet Mr Kinzhal.
Big news. Madeleine Albright is dead!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js
Wrote a comment about her yesterday here, touch wood. Let me try another to see if my ill will works or was just a pleasurable coincidence. Let me see, anyone seen George Soros in the same room as Maddie Albright?
In Hell, no doubt, Satan will ask the good lady who she’d prefer to join her first…and what fine lady would she ask for?
Some may suggest one lady, and some another…but most would suggest… QED Quiz Friday…
Maybe Vince Foster would speak up and make a suggestion…
Os países bálticos pagarão um preço altíssimo por aceitar o papel de bucha de canhão do imperialismo.
Concordo com o autor, eles jamais reconhecerão o erro e continuarão trabalhando para tentar desestabilizar a Rússia. Não restará aos russos, como agora na Ucrânia, outra alternativa a não ser realizar uma nova campanha de desnazificação.
Yandex translation. Mod:
The Baltic countries will pay a very high price for accepting the role of the cannon fodder of imperialism.
I agree with the author, they will never recognize the mistake and will continue to work to try to destabilize Russia. The Russians, as now in Ukraine, will have no alternative but to carry out a new denazification campaign.
The Baltic ”states” were destroyed utterly by Sweden’s rapacious banksters almost directly after their ”independence”. Drowned in public and private debt, they went through the well-known stages of deindustrialization, depopulation, and rampant crime/corruption. They are soon void with no people left. Russia should annex them before the Poles try any ill-conceived designs for which they are famous.
”According to the anonymous Newsweek sources, intelligence officials who fear speaking publicly for fear of severe repercussions, it would be very easy for Vladimir Putin to level the key cities and industries in Ukraine but he’s not doing it.
The strategy Newsweek is seemingly beginning to admit is the same strategy Col Douglas Macgregor has been speaking about.”
Newsweek Shift – Maybe Putin Not So Bad, He Could Devastate Ukraine, but Putin is Holding Back.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/23/newsweek-shift-maybe-putin-not-so-bad-he-could-devastate-ukraine-but-putin-is-holding-back/
Sullivan said that G7 sanctions enforcement will apply to China.
regime change needed in the US asap to avoid WWIII
This would mean the dissolution of the Dimocratic & Repugnant Parties and new candidates not in the pocket of BankCorp. A revolution is required and I don’t see the stomach for that among the general public who would be lost without their iphones for just a day.
The “shock theory” only exists when the national exchange media is created as debt owned by a tiny group of the world’s worst criminals. That is not a lawful medium, it is designed theft of whole nations and must be forever destroyed.
the ‘shock doctrine’ is to create a crisis and then use it to push through an agenda (that ofc only benefits a clique)
I can’t translate what this guy is saying, something like:
A NATO column somewhere near the Polish-Belarusian border crossing…
https://vk.com/milinfolive?z=video-123538639_456278417%2F63be9430d2eece479a%2Fpl_wall_-123538639
I just understand that this is, maybe, one of the best analyses of this conflict I have read or seen.
Very open and honest.
This is it !!! Hope deals for peace come soon enough .
“… clear that Zelensky himself can not put forward such demands, they are simply absurd.”
He can because the Donbass and Crimea are very hard to renounce for any Ukrainian government. Anyway, Zelensky is absurd regarding Russia.
But, in this whole first paragraph, we see an exaggerated sense of the influence power that the U.S. government has, great as it is, that is typical of many foreign intellectuals. I think that Mr. Ishchenko ought to know better, however, because Zelensky keeps asking for WWIII when he asks for a no-fly zone. He demands things imperiously, like a master not a slave. He doesn’t take “no” for an answer from the United States or anyone. He gives instructions about deeper economic sanctions, and looks the part too, unshaven, dressed in a t-shirt, and more…
I don’t like how he talks about striking first with nuclear weapons. Spokesman Peskov spoke similarly a day or two ago in an interview. This is what had to be avoided…
Anyway, Ishchenko, again like so many foreign intellectuals, goes into great detail about what the U.S. wants and thinks, and no one in the U.S. knows it like that. It’s more difficult to know it from that far away, I think.
[q]Он требует вещей властно, как хозяин, а не раб.[/q]
Obscenely dying Country 404 is a colony of the USA. So far, the general public from the media knows only about the Ukrainian business interests of the Biden family. The so-called “president” Zelensky is not independent in his actions. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU, Sluzhba bezopasnosti Ukrainy, “Sluzhba banderizacii Ukrainy”, “Banderization Service of Ukraine”) is led by American special services.
:) After all, Komsomolskaya Pravda, which you consider a reliable source about the losses of the Russian army, writes “The Kiev junta is led by the CIA” – https://www.kp.ru/daily/26219.5/3103037/
“After all, Komsomolskaya Pravda, which you consider a reliable source about the losses of the Russian army, writes “The Kiev junta is led by the CIA” –
We see they work together closely. The Ukranian elites acted as if looking for war and got it. Nobody taught them their dislike of Russians. If the CIA is anti-Russian, this does mean that they taught these Ukranian elites to be so. Reality becomes more simple when you say they are nothing but puppets on a string and the CIA is their master. Reality is more complex and this is something that the Russia-Ukraine conflict has illustrated very well, coming right after the Covid crisis, which also made clear reality is more complex than a few people creating a crisis for the purpose of depopulating the world (as some say). We learned that individuals play a huge role, which is counterintuitive because the individual appears insufficient as an explanation of such great movements and events, and there’s room for religion or for the thought that a greater power(s) is active somehow, but people tend to close their mind to this alternative complement to the insufficiency of the individual and instead bring up the depopulation agenda and the like. But, look at the individual Zelensky and at all he said on his own, did on his own, as if to convince the Russians that they had to attack. He says now “we’re sensible people” and also that he can accept that Ukraine will not join NATO (basically). Nobody needed to order him to be insensible two-three months ago; he just was. I have to say that the Ukranians are making a bad spectacle of themselves, and I think that Putin might be beginning to change the positive feelings he had for them. I think so.
> He demands things imperiously, like a master not a slave.
Tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda, which you consider a reliable source about the losses of the Russian army, writes “The Kiev junta is led by the CIA” – https://www.kp.ru/daily/26219.5/3103037/
It’s not like the National Enquirer. Different “tabloid.” More informative than the NYT, and that type of inside info. no Western outlet will give you. It also shows why it’s not bad to visit them (or the NYT). The NYT will also give you some news not to be found in this Russian tabloid. They go into the Ukranian army base and interview whomever they want… Pilot “Andriy” now appeared on CNN. Ay, he looked more like an actor than a pilot. loquacious pilot, those eyes…he looked odd to me, just a personal impression.
Will poland attack the Russians? No. They are too busy finding enough people to change their imported low quality american made lightbulbs.
I was a US army public affairs specialist for 10 years. Looking at the information war right now, I think a Polish intervention is VERY likely, and matches the propaganda talking points coming out of the West. Only a theory, but I wrote an explanation of what I’m seeing from the news, and how it ties together.
This is a great interview from the Saker, and I’ll be adding it to my own post on the matter.
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/23/whats-next-for-ukraine/
This is a very interesting article. I would agree with many of his points.
However, in one respect I think Russia needs to make a very specific move. And that move is another incursion from Belarus down the Polish border to seize Lvov. This is beneficial for four reasons:
1) It enables the closure of the Polish border to prevent weapons and mercenaries entering Ukraine.
2) It interdicts a Polish attempt to seize western Ukraine (or “preserve” western Ukraine as the article suggests.)
3) It enables the capture of Lvov, where half the Ukrainian government fled to from Kiev even before the war, possibly including Zelensky himself if he is not already in Poland.
4) It enables an early cleansing of the neo-Nazis and hardline nationalist population in western Ukraine.
In my view, this is a no-brainer operation. However, it is possible that the Russians did not anticipate the possibility of a Polish incursion into western Ukraine, so the necessary logistics may not be in place to enable such as operation as I suggest.
I asked Andrei Martyanov about this, and in his opinion such an operation is not worth any Russian lives. However, he admits that he doesn’t know what Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov might think about that.
So we’ll have to wait and see.
I agree no action vs. Lvov is necessary now. For all practical purposes, no major military movement of personnel or equipment can occur anywhere in Ukraine without Russia knowing about it. They can cower in their bunkers because the desired effect has already occurred — they are buttoned down. No reason to suffer unnecessary casualties and increase the troop strength required to accomplish the mission.
If it becomes necessary in the future, troops will be available because the operations in eastern Ukraine will be winding down to mop-up. The accompanying loss of morale in western Ukraine will hasten any such action and save lives on both sides.
Russia has no fear of anything that US led NATO could ever do, which includes the absolute hatred that Poles have for Russia. They will pay the ultimate price, as eggeged only by Zion USA.
There is a reason why no fly zone was never adopted, there is a reason why Poland’s mig-29s, was refused by America to fly them from German bases and there is a reason why Zion America has to go all over the world, begging, bullying other countries to adopt their ridiculous sanctions. It is because they are finished!
P.S. For all those that seem to want to preserve “Western superiority”; that is done, finished. Phase 1 is Ukraine, phase 2 is next.
The real america is not so much different than zionist nazi poland. Or ukronaziland.
South Dakota Hotel Owner Tries to Ban Native Americans, Staff Quits
https://sputniknews.com/20220323/south-dakota-hotel-owner-tries-to-ban-native-americans-staff-quits-1094133106.html
“We will no longer allow any Native American on property. Or in Cheers Sports Bar. Natives killing Natives.”
Police have arrested Quincy Bear Robe, 19, in connection to the crime.
The post was quickly shared and condemned by Rapid City Mayor Steve Allender, adding to the growing attention.
In response, the entire staff of Uhre’s Cheers Sports bar, and some of the hotel staff, quit. The bar’s regular DJ pledged to never set foot in the place again, according to South Dakota Public Broadcasting (SDPB).
Multiple organizations, including the city government, the Oglala Sioux Tribe president, the Rapid City and the Pennington County Police Departments, as well as many business organizations have signed a letter condemning the ban and demanding that Uhre apologize for her comments.”
No doubt those organized against this bigotry will be demonized by the israeloamerican far right (fox, murdock..) as people not white enough.
I don’t know more about the case than what you have written. Apparently, he has seen a lot of fights between Indians in his locale. I take it no one mentions his stated reason(s), which is typical of holier-than-thou types. What is worse, the hotel owner or an immature, holier than thou, probably hypocritical too, reaction to what he wrote?
Let’s consider what he says is his reason. I didn’t know – I don’t know if it’s true they were fighting each other, breaking things in his bar again and again. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt because it’s likely that he has seen a lot of fights in his bar, and also to consider how it is if so. Who helps him pay for the consequences of such fights? He alone pays for the “broken dishes.” Customers avoid the place that has the fights, and you know that if a bystander gets hurt in one of those fights, he can get sued. Their reaction is hateful. If I am an Indian, I support the owner’s rights to his property 100%. And if it’s really that bad, he deserves one’s entire sympathy, whereas those other ones who join the condemning, emotional crowd readily, are probably the same ones hating on Russia today, as a part of a bigger crowd. They are similar to the vodka bottle-breakers. How many times have we seen these always emotional reactions?
I remember what happened to the sportscaster who during a tennis game commented that the player was using “guerrilla tactics.” The player was an African-American player. He was an Anglo-Saxon guy who couldn’t pronounce the Spanish word “guerrilla”, so it sounded like “gorilla” instead. Would you believe that awful people called the TV station and got him fired for being a “racist”? He explained it all to the TV station, but they fired him anyway. He sued, we hope he won. When the crowd gets like that, only the courts may help you, and this hotel owner may have to sue too. Is it possible that maybe he has no personal antipathy towards Indians and that this fact does not count at all? …period.
I had missed the link, but no changes are necessary other than to say the owner is a “she” not a “he”. She says, “I really do not want to allow Natives on property […] they kill each other, walk around with guns. We need new leadership in Rapid City!” If they walk around with guns, they scare customers away; no father or mother wants to take the children there.
I have wracked my small brain trying to figure out what the Less than 1%, will do to try to fix the madness that is America. But I don’t know.
I remember a Polish man telling me a factual joke that the Poles would like to see the Mongols invade again. I asked why? He said that the Mongols would have to go through Russia first.
That is the sum total of Polish intellect, never mind their rabid racism. It would be nice for the rest of this world to see them rip to shreds, as Russia can easily do.
There is a reason why countries flock to Russia and there is a reason why America is running around the world trying to bully people to join them.
Today, Russia with respect said ” we will honor our signed agreements on energy supplies,. But due to your sanctions. We need payment in Rubles!
The new better world started awhile back, and it is a much better world, and for white supremacists; get used to it or be completely destroyed! I might be wrong but I don’t think so.
If things get serious in Ukraine, Dr. Putin can always create a distraction.
He can ask Mr Xi to issue the announcement they discussed during the Winter Olympics. It goes something like this:
“As of midnight tonight, all goods and personnel moving into and out of Chinese Taipei must clear China Customs and Immigration.
“The Taiwan Straits are now PRC domestic waters and all aircraft must observe United China’s combined ADIZ.
“The PLAN and PLAAF will patrol and assist the orderly observance of this process”.
Taiwan’s unique role in the world’s electronics industry should focus everyone’s attention on their real priorities.
NATO probably wont send anyone -not even Poles or Balts – because then Russia (and friends ) could adopt the same strategy that NATO is understood to have planned for Russia- a guerrilla war with attacks carried out by mercenaries and sabotage groups in the west, which would threaten to carry over into Poland, Romania, etc.,
Russia not not trust the west to NOT intervene, however and continue to discourage that t or any other NATO escalation in the ukraine
The switch to Rubles for the currency of settlement is game changer for sure.
Now I see why Russia left so many F/X and Gold reserves exposed to the West.
It was bait and the rats took it. In front of the world they stole billions from a non-Western Sovereign nation. Then using their controlled MSM boasted about their triumph.
Even Hollywood couldn’t provide such a message to the Global South et al. President Putin made it unambiguously clear regarding the absence of credibility now inherent in Western currencies.
The RF is the second largest gold producer in the world and can easily accumulate its Sovereign gold reserves to any required level.
Those unfriendly Nations that need or want Russian resources will now have to accumulate Rubles in advance to do so.
Talk about throwing a wrench in the gears of Europe and the West.
WoW
[q]President Putin made it unambiguously clear regarding the absence of credibility now inherent in Western currencies.[/q]
Well noticed. Today’s money is based on trust. The key word is trust.
Any movement of European or NATO troops towards the country 404 will be considered an act of war, and the start of WW3. NATO’s ignominious Afghan rout has highlighted their strategic and tactical incompetence. After spending trillions of dollars, they can’t confront Russia, or any other reasonably unified nation on the battlefield. Their confiscation of Russian, Venezuelan, Cuban, Iranian assets tells the world there is no basis for trustworthy business or cultural relations.
As for Western Nazi volunteers flooding into the war: great. Thank you for providing a target rich environment. These violent racists won’t be killing anyone elsewhere. Currently, Russia has stated no mercenary will receive Geneva Convention protections. Western mercenaries can expect to be shot on capture unless they have intelligence value. The lies currently filling their mouths will be replaced by earth and worms.
Napoleon: ‘The army marches on its stomach.’
The idea the most corrupt failed nation on Earth could manage a war is laughable. Wars are fought and won based on logistics: on supply, training, and timely movement of troops. The Russian offensive is designed to interrupt all three of these absolutely necessary military acts. Ukrainian military is designed to slaughter defenceless civilians, and to protect Swiss bank accounts. Logistics have never more important than recently as weapons are more complex, vastly more expensive, and incredibly destructive. This has slowed research, development, and serial construction to the point wars will now be fought with weapons on hand until exhaustion compels defeat and surrender.
Russian military power is restrained east of the Dnieper because of Russian ethnic majorities living there. Once west of the Dnieper, a now battle hardened army enraged by Western lies and Banderite atrocities will flatten any possible source of resistance, and drive the population west into Europe. Westerners think Trump, 3% traitors, Proud Boys, skinheads, and Klucker Klan were bad? The last thing Ukraine supporting ninnies will hear is an Azov or Right Sector monster shouting, ‘Kill the Jew.’ The US and Europe will have a goose stepping moron problem for decades so get used to NAZI murders. They will never be allowed to return, even with a tourist visa.
Putin has heard all the promises, watched the treaties signed, and quickly ignored. He knows of the racist genocides committed and planned. It won’t be the vacuous opinions of irrelevant Westerners that define this war. It will be blunt demands and brutal facts on the ground that define Ukraine’s public defeat. This war will end with Russian tanks shaking the ground at western borders.
Maybe some missiles are long needed in Zurich? Isn’t that region the belly of the beast? I mean the financiers of the original NAZIs?
It appears that Russia and Poland have similar goals, none of them is interested in absorbing Ukraine and they both hate Banderas. Nazified Ukraine was a security risk not only for Russia, but also Poland and entire Europe.
By forcing Ukraine to become a neutral non-military state, Russia is doing Poland huge service.
We should always be skeptical when it’s question about interrogated POW’s. They tend to fawn capturers and give at least partly too negative opions of their own Army. Anyway here’s article written 2 days ago.
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“The number of captured Ukrainian military is already in the thousands, and in recent days, cases of surrender, desertion and refusal to carry out orders have become especially frequent. The morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in some sectors of the front is rapidly falling. Kyiv is trying to compensate for this with the terror of the National Battalions, unbridled propaganda and the work of “Svidomo” commissars in military units.
Now the level of desertion and surrender is very high among those Ukrainian brigades that were the first to come under the offensive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the DPR and the LPR. Ahead of all is the 53rd separate motorized rifle brigade (OMBR), the denazification of which was officially announced in Donetsk. Having lost contact with the command after the retreat from Volnovakha, the brigade began to roll back to the steppe to the north, suffering heavy losses. As a result, the servicemen of the 53rd brigade began to surrender in groups of 10 people, especially after the “Svidomo commissars” and commanders died or fled.
The fact is that over the past year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been ideologically reformatted, in almost every platoon, “ideological”, they are also “Svidom” officers or sergeants from among the former National Battalion members, natives of Western Ukraine, or simply very ideologically motivated individuals, were introduced on the basis of rotation. If earlier the composition of some brigades or battalions could be homogeneous in origin (from one region of Ukraine), now there are practically no such units left, and ideological training was especially monitored at the level of special orders of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
One of the soldiers of the 53rd brigade who surrendered, Alexander, explained his act as follows: “First, a summons came for an urgent service (conscription service – approx. VIEW). I went on an urgent basis, then they offered to transfer to the 53rd brigade on a contract. They promised that I would sit at the PPD (point of permanent deployment – approx. VIEW) in Severodonetsk, that is, at home, come just like to work … I took the course of a young fighter, then loaded onto a train and brought here (to Novognatovka, where he and surrendered along with the rest )”. The natives of Severodonetsk had no desire to defend the ideals of Kyiv and Svidomo.”
The moral and psychological state is also at zero for those units that lose contact with the command and are cut off from supplies. One of the prisoners from the 58th brigade (Sumy) said that they had two tanks, one of which would not start, and the other would not fire, but they were immediately knocked out. After which they decided to surrender.
There were cases when servicemen from seemingly well-trained and ideologically indoctrinated units surrendered as prisoners after they were denied imported weapons. In particular, NLAW grenade launchers massively misfired. After two consecutive NLAW failures, for example, a Marine platoon on the outskirts of Mariupol surrendered.
A separate category is professionals who surrender, realizing that resistance is useless and not worth it. Some officers leading their platoons to Russian checkpoints explain their actions as unwillingness to harm civilians after being ordered to take up positions in densely populated areas.
Such cases have become especially frequent in the suburbs of Kyiv among the military personnel of the 14th Ombr, which, in fact, constitutes the garrison of the capital. In the Kiev region in the village of Nikolaevka, the so-called buried, that is, the underground command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, surrendered in full force. Of the 61 Ukrainian servicemen who surrendered, half are senior officers. This case is also indicative of the fact that senior officers who have repeatedly passed re-certification for loyalty to Ukraine and the ideals of Svidomo surrendered. Earlier, in approximately the same area, having reached a Russian checkpoint, a company of the 14th separate mechanized brigade, led by a major, surrendered.
And Major of the 14th brigade Ivan Sobolev, who led his platoon to the Russian checkpoint, motivated his behavior, among other things, by the unwillingness to give the lives of mobilized soldiers for the “fascist regime of Kyiv.” Also indicative is the story of Snake Island, which has already been included in the anthology of President Zelensky’s failures.”
https://m.vz.ru/world/2022/3/22/1149639.html
To continue the article of state of Ukrainian Armed forces (be careful… POW interrogated may give too rosy picture of RF/DPR success, better to study the background)
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“The number of those who surrender increases as the Russian troops advance, but at the same time, the “quality” of prisoners and deserters also changes. Among them, the number of those who refuse armed resistance is growing not for forced reasons (encirclement, losses, lack of communication, gouging, etc.), but for ideological reasons. More and more prisoners explain their behavior by their unwillingness to fight for Zelensky, hatred of the National Battalions and fascists.
The fact is that a clash in everyday life with representatives of Western Ukrainian and neo-Nazi ideologies (sometimes it is one and the same) sobers many. Many Ukrainians from the central regions and even the city of Kyiv could only encounter Svidomo ideology in the form of propaganda or in its mild form, at a distance. Close contact with its bearers from among the National Battalions and Svidomo commissars leads to a rapid reassessment of values.
The same, by the way, applies to civilian officials in the liberated territories of both the DPR and LPR, and in the Kherson, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv and Kiev regions. Everyone quickly remembered the Russian language, they curse Bandera and Zelensky. The problem there is only agents of the SBU.
Only isolated cases are known when local governors or mayors remained loyal to Kiev. In particular, the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Fedorov (born in 1988), very loudly shouted “glory to the heroes” and called on the city’s residents not to accept Russian humanitarian aid. For which he was exchanged for nine captured Russian servicemen, out of sight. Now, in his office in Melitopol, the temporary administration of the Zaporozhye region is located.
And the victorious rhetoric of the governor of the Nikolaev region, Alexander Kim, greatly subsided after the barracks and positions of the 79th separate airborne assault brigade were destroyed (the number of dead Ukrainian servicemen in the 79th airborne brigade is estimated in tens, if not hundreds). And then he almost took Moscow alone.
Business newspaper Vzglyad
I’m looking for
IN THE WORLD
The Ukrainian army is overtaken by a psychological turning point
March 22, 2022, 08:20
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Photo: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / TASS
The number of captured Ukrainian military is already in the thousands, and in recent days, cases of surrender, desertion and refusal to carry out orders have become especially frequent. The morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in some sectors of the front is rapidly falling. Kyiv is trying to compensate for this with the terror of the National Battalions, unbridled propaganda and the work of “Svidomo” commissars in military units.
Now the level of desertion and surrender is very high among those Ukrainian brigades that were the first to come under the offensive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the DPR and the LPR. Ahead of all is the 53rd separate motorized rifle brigade (OMBR), the denazification of which was officially announced in Donetsk. Having lost contact with the command after the retreat from Volnovakha, the brigade began to roll back to the steppe to the north, suffering heavy losses. As a result, the servicemen of the 53rd brigade began to surrender in groups of 10 people, especially after the “Svidomo commissars” and commanders died or fled.
The fact is that over the past year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been ideologically reformatted, in almost every platoon, “ideological”, they are also “Svidom” officers or sergeants from among the former National Battalion members, natives of Western Ukraine, or simply very ideologically motivated individuals, were introduced on the basis of rotation. If earlier the composition of some brigades or battalions could be homogeneous in origin (from one region of Ukraine), now there are practically no such units left, and ideological training was especially monitored at the level of special orders of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
One of the soldiers of the 53rd brigade who surrendered, Alexander, explained his act as follows: “First, a summons came for an urgent service (conscription service – approx. VIEW). I went on an urgent basis, then they offered to transfer to the 53rd brigade on a contract. They promised that I would sit at the PPD (point of permanent deployment – approx. VIEW) in Severodonetsk, that is, at home, come just like to work … I took the course of a young fighter, then loaded onto a train and brought here (to Novognatovka, where he and surrendered along with the rest – approx. LOOK)”. The natives of Severodonetsk had no desire to defend the ideals of Kyiv and Svidomo.
The moral and psychological state is also at zero for those units that lose contact with the command and are cut off from supplies. One of the prisoners from the 58th brigade (Sumy) said that they had two tanks, one of which would not start, and the other would not fire, but they were immediately knocked out. After which they decided to surrender.
There were cases when servicemen from seemingly well-trained and ideologically indoctrinated units surrendered as prisoners after they were denied imported weapons. In particular, NLAW grenade launchers massively misfired. After two consecutive NLAW failures, for example, a Marine platoon on the outskirts of Mariupol surrendered.
A separate category is professionals who surrender, realizing that resistance is useless and not worth it. Some officers leading their platoons to Russian checkpoints explain their actions as unwillingness to harm civilians after being ordered to take up positions in densely populated areas.
Such cases have become especially frequent in the suburbs of Kyiv among the military personnel of the 14th Ombr, which, in fact, constitutes the garrison of the capital. In the Kiev region in the village of Nikolaevka, the so-called buried, that is, the underground command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, surrendered in full force. Of the 61 Ukrainian servicemen who surrendered, half are senior officers. This case is also indicative of the fact that senior officers who have repeatedly passed re-certification for loyalty to Ukraine and the ideals of Svidomo surrendered. Earlier, in approximately the same area, having reached a Russian checkpoint, a company of the 14th separate mechanized brigade, led by a major, surrendered.
And Major of the 14th brigade Ivan Sobolev, who led his platoon to the Russian checkpoint, motivated his behavior, among other things, by the unwillingness to give the lives of mobilized soldiers for the “fascist regime of Kyiv.” Also indicative is the story of Snake Island, which has already been included in the anthology of President Zelensky’s failures.
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Gevorg Mirzayan: In the new world order, the United States is destined for the role of a regional power
The main Russophobic state of the Baltics has been identified
Vladimir Kornilov: The Donetsk Republic was created as part of Russia
The number of those who surrender increases as the Russian troops advance, but at the same time, the “quality” of prisoners and deserters also changes. Among them, the number of those who refuse armed resistance is growing not for forced reasons (encirclement, losses, lack of communication, gouging, etc.), but for ideological reasons. More and more prisoners explain their behavior by their unwillingness to fight for Zelensky, hatred of the National Battalions and fascists.
The fact is that a clash in everyday life with representatives of Western Ukrainian and neo-Nazi ideologies (sometimes it is one and the same) sobers many. Many Ukrainians from the central regions and even the city of Kyiv could only encounter Svidomo ideology in the form of propaganda or in its mild form, at a distance. Close contact with its bearers from among the National Battalions and Svidomo commissars leads to a rapid reassessment of values.
The same, by the way, applies to civilian officials in the liberated territories of both the DPR and LPR, and in the Kherson, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv and Kiev regions. Everyone quickly remembered the Russian language, they curse Bandera and Zelensky. The problem there is only agents of the SBU.
Only isolated cases are known when local governors or mayors remained loyal to Kiev. In particular, the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Fedorov (born in 1988), very loudly shouted “glory to the heroes” and called on the city’s residents not to accept Russian humanitarian aid. For which he was exchanged for nine captured Russian servicemen, out of sight. Now, in his office in Melitopol, the temporary administration of the Zaporozhye region is located.
And the victorious rhetoric of the governor of the Nikolaev region, Alexander Kim, greatly subsided after the barracks and positions of the 79th separate airborne assault brigade were destroyed (the number of dead Ukrainian servicemen in the 79th airborne brigade is estimated in tens, if not hundreds). And then he almost took Moscow alone.
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And an amazing phenomenon: as soon as Ukrainian television is turned off, people come to their senses en masse. And in the last few days, the flow of Ukrainian “permissible” propaganda has increased sharply, as if on cue, which is especially evident in the example of Mariupol. Literally every hour, statements are pouring in that the city will never surrender, that it will be released any minute, reinforcements are coming from somewhere, “we are overpowered”, “the Russians have run out of Calibers” and all that. The quality of propaganda is appropriate, especially if you turn off the senses.
There is evidence that in Kyiv, at the level of Zelensky’s entourage, the task was set for the remnants of the Mariupol garrison and, in general, the entire, as they say, “eastern”, and we say, the Donbass group, to hold out by any means until July.
In Kyiv, it is suggested that some kind of geopolitical shift should take place in the middle of summer. Either a nuclear war will begin, or NATO will introduce troops, or aliens will arrive. But until this moment it is necessary to stand day and night to hold out. The lack of technical ability to provide assistance to the encircled groups is compensated by a flood of propaganda clichés and patriotic slogans. On the ground, this is reinforced by the physical and ideological terror of the National Battalions and Svidomo.
The trouble is that many parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, especially in Mariupol, Severodonetsk and west of Donetsk, are deprived of communication with the normal outside world. It is not even known to what extent all these calls and slogans of Kyiv reach them. The national battalions, in turn, broadcast this propaganda to the civilian population, preventing people from leaving the city, which leads to additional destruction and losses. Even the very fact of the evacuation of children from Mariupol, organized by the authorities of the DPR, is presented as “Russians kidnap Ukrainian children and take them out of Ukraine to make them Muscovites.” And sitting in the basement, you won’t hear a lot of fresh news.
At the same time, the local residents who left Mariupol are already very hostile not only against the national battalions, but also against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is practically no demarcation between these two armed structures on the ground. Hostility is also caused by mass deaths among those who signed up for terbats (“Volkssturm”). From weapons they sometimes only have Molotov cocktails, and smoke in their heads.
As the encirclement of large groups of national battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues, the number of prisoners and deserters from the Ukrainian army will only grow. The order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu on a respectful attitude towards all captured Ukrainian servicemen is known and widely disseminated. The DPR and LPR have already begun to release to their homes those Ukrainian prisoners of war who were mobilized or come from the liberated regions. In Kharkov and Sumy, they take a subscription about further non-participation in hostilities.
But the situation inspires fear in those regions and regions that are still subject to the radiation of Kiev propaganda in its modern, perverted version. As experience shows, the moral and psychological state in such an environment does not change by itself, but under the influence of external factors.
For example, the displacement or physical destruction of the national battalions in itself will lead to sobering. Otherwise, it is neo-fascists and Svidomo who quickly seize power in individual military groups (as in Mariupol) or intercept the propaganda initiative with the help of Western and surviving “Russian” liberal media, as in Kyiv and Odessa.”
https://m.vz.ru/world/2022/3/22/1149639.html
Serious question to the Saker… why not make Wetern Ukraine pay for the deeds of its Nazi citizens and force their citizens to rebuild Ukraine?
That way they undo the deeds of their brethren and reconstruct the country which they destroyed with help from their Western bsckers.
Something occurred to me: after all, Russia, the United States, the so-called “Ukraine” and other countries have not declared war on each other. Is the conflict on the territory of the so-called “Ukraine” actually a civil war (!) in Russia? Pacification of the breakaway provinces.
Psychological manipulation is going to be pointless and impudent when the whole energy and dollar system collapses in the west.
Can you please give a link of original article if such existes of course. Thanks a lot!
Poland could be the proverbial “straw that broke the camel’s back”, its involvement in Ukraine might be just what is needed to start the lll WW. It doesn’t matter what the 10k polish army function would be – to protect the evacuation corridors or to do something more sinster such as reclaim some of the Volhyn/Podole lands, the end result will not be good for Poland or Europe. There is no love between Poland and Ukraine, never was. The genocide of polish people committed by OUN/UPA in that area during the llWW had not been acknowledged or dealt with to this day. The minute polish soldiers cross the ukrainian border Azov nazis will be waiting for them to pick up where UPA left off in 1942, the slaughter will begin. This is the elephant in the room that US, EU and Nato are setting Poland for. Poland is aware but being the vassal, can’t help itself from avoiding this self destructive path. Having said that, the moment polish eastern border is open wide (because that will be the result), it’s western border will become open wide too. At that point Europe will be engulfed. Germany will greedily reach out for Wroclaw, Szczecin and Pomorze. Poland as a united, one of Europe’s oldest established countries dating to year 966 will be again robbed of its land. Tribal polish/Slavic people used to stretch all the way to Rhine River for centuries. The left behind DNA is there to prove. Germania crusaders under the guise of Christianity kept ripping and pillaging Polish lands for many centuries changing polish names to Stetin, Breslau, Danzig etc. To this day those foreign names are used by the west…l wonder why. Is it with the hopes that those cities are reclaimed back to Germany even though they were never German to begin with. We might find out soon enough. Hope it doesn’t come to that.
A complete shutdown of the entire energy supply to Europe and not sales raw materials to “unfriendly countries” can safe life’s on all sides.
I agree with most of what he says. As a “Besserwessi”, memories from the North-Ireland conflict come back to me. Here’s the problem: The bitterness and stubbornness of the speakers today in Brussels made something clear, and that is that they give a shit about any Ukrainian. Just like the British stubbornly and narrow-mindedly stuck to their absurd occupation strategy. The result was that small enclaves of partisans (new-speak “terrorists”) sprang up all over Northern Ireland. Everything was sealed off and still they got weapons and ammunition.
Ok Russia can of course achieve some kind of “victory” in about 3-4 weeks. But Russia will not be able to secure peace. Firstly because the USA had to keep Europe as an economic competitor in check and secondly because the Ukris will massacre even their own people to keep the propaganda going. This also serves the interests of the USA. The Ukris will then go for to a long, long terror tactic. What became clear in Brussels today was that NATO must avoid a direct confrontation with Russia if it want to survive. NATO’s “technical” capabilities are not sufficient. And the main problem are the their lies to the people.
If anything has any lasting success, it is the complete shutdown of every energy supply and every other raw material resource. Nothing should be sold. NATO goal is to ruin Russia financially anyway. And before this can be happen don’t waste your assets for big mouthes.
Europe is destroying itself for quite sometime now. It started with the Greek crisis. The leaders of the EU are criminally incompetent psychopaths starting with Ursula of course. Europe would be bankrupt in a year but Russia can overcome this time. Ok, this is not desirable but it saves lives on all sides. And in Europe, the populations would see the bluff of the EU bureaucracy. There will be uprisings which will be put down brutally, we saw it in Athens, in Paris in Rotterdam, in Dresden and many others places. From this unrests can arise the chance of a system change and a return to a social market economy.
The article is a little turgid to read because of the transliteration probably. It does make some good points but misses some essentials
Comments below:
1. “The United States entered into a systemic crisis. That is, the system built – political, military, economic, financial – has ceased to correspond to the realities of the modern world.”
That systemic crisis is engineered and commenced when Kissinger ( under Nixon ) began exporting all manufacturing to China. The United States Constitution has been trashed by the (((usual suspects))) acting as a fifth column ever since.
These same have been doing the same to Russia.
It was only one week ago that Vlad the Bad horrified western “elites” by publicly denouncing their pet Russian “fifth column” Globalist liberals as “scum and traitors.” Far from being just empty rhetoric designed to fire up the population, “a slew of” Russian traitors from their entertainment and media sectors have already left the country in recent weeks — a la Marlene Dietrich, Albert Einstein, Count Kalergi and the filth of the Frankfurt School during the glory days of The Great One’s German Reich.
2. “Then Biden came and practically announced that he would implement Trump’s program because the United States needed to carry out reforms in a crisis.”
Incorrect. Biden has for the most part completely reversed Trump’s program because these programs emanate from completely different Worldviews. Paris Climate accord, Immigration, North Korea, Federal Reserve, …..there are many examples.
3. “United States is not in a position to reform the economy now. In order to reform the economy it is necessary, as they advised us and everyone else in the early nineties, to go through shock therapy.”
Incorrect. Trump showed what could be done in Economic reform in only 4 years. He had historically record stats on all economic indicators.
4.”It will be bad in the United States, but everyone else in the world should be even worse.”
Incorrect. The main fight is in the United States because of The Constitution and the armed Militia. The USA will therefore feel the brunt of the Globalist affront as they are the Role Model for the whole World.
5. “It doesn’t matter who wins later, but this also means big losses, and not only human, but economic, and so on and so forth.”
Big losses are what the Globalists want as part of their 2030 Agenda. Look at the Georgia Guidestones. A world of 500 million only. This means mass depopulation by War, Vaccine, Abortion… All Christian values wiped out to favour secularism and neo-communism control.
6. “We are two different systems, we are on different sides of good and evil, and we will always be in confrontation with each other, and confrontation with the state that is on our borders will always be used by our enemies, regardless of who is this enemy at the moment.”
At last this is a true statement. This IS a battle between two Systems. The Sabattean Frankist Kabbalistic Khazarian Fake Jew agenda and the rump of the Christian Worldview, despite the fact that most religious institutions have been subverted and indoctrinated in the Rothschild Money Magic Globalist agenda.
I note that “Climate Envoy” Anatoly Chubais has resigned and fled Russia. This is extremely significant because Chubais is not just some mid-level libtarded journalist, performer, egghead academic or bought & paid for street activist. No sir. Chubais — untouchable (even by Putin) until now — was perhaps the highest level, longest serving Deep State Globalist POS in Russia. And now, just like that, he’s gone. Putin’s version of “The Storm” has arrived.
It was the “economist” Chubias (Jooish mom’s side) who — during Boris Yelstin’s 1990s reign of ruin — carried out the CFR / Harvard / Wall Street / Jewish Mafia Oligarch “privatization” of post-Soviet Russia. The “shock therapy” policy entailed the selling off of entire state-owned industries for a song to the international economic rape ring which reduced the population to hunger and privation so severe that it made many long for “the good old days” of communism .” – I witnessed this first hand when the usual economic “Cold Shower” experienced by all Eastern European countries was excerbated in Russia’s case by the appalling treatment dished out to the intellectuals and Russian middle classes by the Washington Neocons – all on a mission of “rape and pillage”.
Chubias attended a Globalist Bilderberg conference in 1998, and has served as a member of the Advisory Council for JPMorgan Chase. He is a Global Warmist, a western wannabee “Atlanticist,” and an anti-Putinite from the very beginning. Good riddance!
In Summary – Putin is “cleaning house” of the NeoNazi Globalist scumbags both on his border (Azov Batallians) and internal to his systems in the same way that Trump and the Chris Miller COGO program ongoing in the USA.
We are in a Global War of – WORLDVIEWS – that has nothing to do with Countries or National Borders – the ex Nazi Operation Paperclip subversives that were imported after WW2 into the West have been plotting this stealthy takeover of Global Systems for decades. Their victory is predicated on the elimination of the American Constitution – the sole outlier of People Power – until Vlad the Bad kicked their system in the goolies by empahsizing the return of Christianity in Russia ( he build 35,000 churches) and embraced the Worldview of Archbishop Kirill of the Orthodox Church.
Some sane brain from Pentagon about Russia’s cautious approach to minimize civilians and civilians infrastructure destructions.
Here it is- https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/23/pentagon-drops-truth-bombs-to-stave-off-war-with-russia/
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Project Heavenly Jerusalem – Do You Know Why The War in Ukraine Broke Out
There is second bottom of it. Informally Israel is a Vatican project of Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem from the past With king of Spain as a head. Jews in Israel have done the dirty job purging the land from the Palestinians and now is time to remove them to a new place. This old Jerusalem is intended to be residence of future satanic ruler of the world with new global religion.
Poland, Russia, USA, China etc are only supine tools in hands of Vatican satanic globalists, corporate fascists,
Americanmagazine.org What Joe Biden (and all American Catholics) owe Jesuit John Courtney Murray
“State is distinct from society” he asserted, and “government submits itself to judgment by the truth of sociey; it is not itself a judge of the truth in society.”
Government must submits itself to the law first (Bill of Rights & The Constitution) not to the mob. That what the Republic is all about. Vatican and the Jesuits perfected communism long ago (Paraguay’s reductions- reduce our expectations?, you will own nothing and you will be happy?). They own manipulative social media and do the censorship and expect the truth in society. What a liberal joke!!!!!!!?. Next to come is social credit, total surveillance and social exclusion. It is time to escape to the jungle just like the guarani people in Paraguay did.
Will Ukraine be partitioned like Syria? Does “history” repeat itself? Can people really predict the future? Only if you’ve read the script or you’re part of it. Wake up people. The fake war in Ukraine is being used by our own elites (Western and Eastern) to impoverish us further, implementing the so-called Great Reset and all that nonsense. We’re witnessing a massive wheeze by the hoary global elite families and you keep believing every scam their media reports (including altmedia like “TheSaker”).
Covid was a scam and the Ukrainian “war” is a scam. I would laugh but your dimness is seriously starting to impact on my life now.
I agree but those families are controled by the satanic cult since certain specific time and there is much to say and Poland plays important part of it.
On a low level looks like war between USA and China has begun. Russia and the war in Ukraine is a part of it. When we get back till 70’s no win war in Nam was over. USA pulled out from Bretton Woods agreement(dolar tied down the Gold) and introduced petrodollar(dolar tied down the oil). In 1966 Germany has begun to cooperate with the Soviet Union(Frankenstein created by the Wall Street). Soviets started to build two pipelines Yamal and Friendship. In 1970 has been communist regime change for more polish and prowestern Edward Gierek’s. The normalization agreement with Germany has been signed and billions of dollars and German marks loans has been taken. Polish economy started to pick up strongly till 1976-80. Suddenly CIA sponsored Solidarity movement appeared JP2 and the first colour revolution went on next the martial law had been declared by the communist regime of general Jaruzelski. In response the West and USA declared sanctions and Poland was done.