I can’t believe they still it the “Great Patriotic War.” To be more accurate, it should be called, “The Ignoble War to Make the World Safe for the Materialist Ideologies of Communism and Capitalism.” Germany should never have invaded the Soviet Union, obviously, and Lebensraum was a bad policy (that would have never worked in practice anyway). But that doesn’t change the fact that the world would objectively be a better place today if the good guys had won World War 2.
^^^ Stupendous ignorance about the sacrifice made by the Russians and other USSR citizens in ’41-’45, and the importance place that has in their consciousness.
What I can’t believe, is that you consider the nazis the “good guys” in WWII. There is really a problem there.Certainly with objective opinion, the allied forces were no “Saints” in the war. But compared to Hitler and the nazis they were. To say, “Germany should never have invaded the Soviet Union, obviously, and Lebensraum was a bad policy (that would have never worked in practice anyway)”. Would have to take the prize for the greatest “understatement”, I’ve heard in many years.
Budget? Its a guy with a laptop in his garage.. But he is also very smart and he organizes others to join with him in his efforts. Some other smart people like Peto Lucem now release their own reports there. It is a beginning and I hope many more join. It would be the only way to compete with the likes of big budget propaganda machines like CNN and BBC.
And talking about propaganda machines, the turks have joined with the ukies to create one for Europe and they gave a presentation about Russian ballistic missile capabilities in the Caspian.. to destroy hospitals and schools.. The commander of the Syrian airbase looked like he didn’t know how to answer the charges, waved his arms around a lot. So I guess it worked sorta.. How do you counter fools? Without looking like an idiot yourself..
Is it that simple? What I mean by that is, upto a point, there is “interests” and goals before it turns evil.. Just like in the US, hubris made the Germans go crazy. I look at the persecution of jews as bad, but such things happened everywhere on different scales. All it did was drive European talent to the US. US had its own.. Japanese and Chinese were not real people, Blacks were not even people. If the US had lost we would be seeing propaganda the other way. Have we forgotten the French and Dutch and English colonies? Looking at it, there were no decent countries to look unto as models to follow. And I don’t think the soviets were much better.. Actually they were worse. Just like all the Europeans, they too considered non-whites as unbecoming civilized humans.
I bet even now many Russians think it is beneath contempt that they have to beg the Chinese for help. I definitely know from the few comments I see, that it gets their goat that they have to be part of BRICKS to survive.. You only get such views if you think others dont have much to contribute even though except for SA, the other 3 countries are far stronger in many other areas than military.
I think the ukies show us a living example of what could be..
“I think the ukies show us a living example of what could be..”
I think what “would” have been. Except on a far more massive scale. Check out the nazi “Master Plan East” for what was coming. A few “highlights” below:
The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and/or extermination of most Slavic peoples in Europe, whom the Nazis viewed as racially inferior and non-Aryan.[2][3] The programme operational guidelines, prepared in the years 1939–1942, were based on the policy of Lebensraum designed by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement,…”
“According to Bach-Zelewski, Himmler stated openly: “It is a question of existence, thus it will be a racial struggle of pitiless severity, in the course of which 20 to 30 million Slavs and Jews will perish through military actions and crises of food supply.”
Percentages of ethnic groups targeted for extermination and/or deportation by Nazi Germany from future settlement areas[2][12][13]
Ethnic group Percentage subject to removal
Latvians 50%
Estonians 50%[14]
Czechs 50%
Russians 50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western Siberia
Ukrainians 65%
Belarusians 75%
Poles 80–85%
Lithuanians 85%
Latgalians 100%
Generalplan Ost envisaged differing percentages of the various conquered nations undergoing Germanization (for example, 50% of Czechs, 35% of Ukrainians and 25% of Belarusians), extermination, expulsion and other fates, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would be Germanized. In ten years’ time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines in Europe. The “Small Plan” was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War II expulsion of Poles by Germany (first to colonial district of the General Government and, from 1942 also to Polenlager).[15] After the war, under the “Big Plan”, Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were “racially undesirable”, 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[6] and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves.[8] In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended “living space” (Lebensraum). Because the number of Germans appeared to be insufficient to populate the vast territories of Central and Eastern Europe, the peoples judged to lie racially between the Germans and the Russians (Mittelschicht), namely, Latvians and even Czechs, were also supposed to be resettled there.[16]
According to Nazi intentions, attempts at Germanization were to be undertaken only in the case of those foreign nationals in Central and Eastern Europe who could be considered a desirable element for the future Reich from the point of view of its racial theories. The Plan stipulated that there were to be different methods of treating particular nations and even particular groups within them. Attempts were even made to establish the basic criteria to be used in determining whether a given group lent itself to Germanization. These criteria were to be applied more liberally in the case of nations whose racial material (rassische Substanz) and level of cultural development made them more suitable than others for Germanization. The Plan considered that there were a large number of such elements among the Baltic nations. Erhard Wetzel felt that thought should be given to a possible Germanization of the whole of the Estonian nation and a sizable proportion of the Latvians. On the other hand, the Lithuanians seemed less desirable since they contained too great an admixture of Slav blood. Himmler’s view was that “almost the whole of the Lithuanian nation would have to be deported to the East”.[12]
Whatever happened, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were to be deprived of their statehood, while their territories were to be included in the eastern area of German settlement. This meant that Latvia and especially Lithuania would be covered by the deportation plans, though in a somewhat milder form than the Slav—”voluntary” emigration to western Siberia. While the Baltic nations like Estonians would be spared from repressions and physical liquidation that Jews or Poles were experiencing, in the long term the Nazi planners did not foresee their existence as independent entitites and they would be deported as well, with eventual denationalisation; initial designs were for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to be Germanized within 25 years, however Heinrich Himmler revised them to 20 years.[17]
Origins of German colonists resettled during the “Heim ins Reich” action to annexed Polish territories.
In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[18] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[16] By 1952, only about 3–4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist. Experiments in mass sterilization in concentration camps may also have been intended for use on the populations.[19] The Wehrbauer, or soldier-peasants, would be settled in a fortified line to prevent civilization reanimating beyond the Ural Mountains and threatening Germany.[20] “Tough peasant races” would serve as a bulwark against attack.[21]
The seizure of food supplies in Ukraine brought about starvation, as it was intended to do to depopulate that region for German settlement.[22] Soldiers were told to steel their hearts against starving women and children, because every bit of food given to them was stolen from the German people, endangering their nourishment.[23]
That “general plan ost” is remarkably similar to the “greater” israel project of Jewish zionists. In fact, how the israelis have treated Palestinians is almost identical to the nazi plans for Eastern Europe.
Coincidence?
Hardly.
The convergence of like minds. Or more accurately, mentally diminished and fully psychotic minds.
True. I’ve always said that the zionists “drank deep at the nazi well”. The whole movement is based on extreme ultra-nationalism. A carbon copy of the most extreme variety in Europe of the time.Only “tweaked” to fit in the Middle East.
Maybe I should have put a disclaimer.. Given hubris, insanity and a sense of divine providence, cultures get transformed into Psychopathological behavior. The underlying tensions were there and once they got past the point of threshold, they began to believe in their own divine purpose.
Because if they had already believed that way, they would not have been partnering with the soviets for a while before, training, industrializing and trading on a massive scale. And for that matter, what would it have taken the US to have gotten to the same point? Well they had already done it on a massive scale to eradicate the native Americans. The Europeans were doing it on a wide scale in Africa and in a way in India as well. Why are we ignoring what others were doing in other parts of the world. A war makes things far worse.. The Nazi’s were not the exception, they just broke maybe because of the stress of their looming defeat.
Mental disorders of such things makes one believe and do strange things. It transforms the original purpose into useless self defeating ventures. Just reinforcing even more and even faster that coming defeat. We also saw this with the pol pot.
But usually because of different cultures and contacts around the world we can see this from the outside and provide sufficient pressure to halt this descent into insanity. But when you have someone as powerful as the US not halting things as in Ukraine, we might actually see things take a turn there and would have happened if not for the resistance in the east. We know it can happen since during the split in the Indian subcontinent, people who used to live together for centauries killed like 5 million of each other and it would have gotten to Nazi levels if not for like the likes of ghandi who tried to stop such things.. so it was touch and go there as well. So I can see this happening in Ukraine quiet clearly if Putin steps aside.
Not excusing the Nazi’s.. I just want others to be held accountable as well. It would be the only way to stop what happened in the 20th centaury all over the world from happening again. The success of the Nazi’s upto a point should not be the exception. And aint this now not the same goal to be done in Syria?
Is anybody besides me marveling at the quality of those SouthFront videos?
This is, I think, absolutely superb stuff.
YMMV of course :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
Yes,I’ve thought the same. They do an amazing job on their videos.And especially considering the very limited budget they have to work with. There work matches (and for accuracy surpasses) the MSM videos.
“(….) In an internal document revealed last week, the head of the Swedish army, General Anders Brännström ordered his troops to prepare for war in Europe against qualified “in a few years’ opponents.
Leaked documents would cite the head of the Swedish Army, Anders Brännström, before a meeting with the commander of the Swedish defense, claiming that Sweden could be at war in a few years.
According Brannstrom: “The security situation we are experiencing leads me to the conclusion that in the course of a few years we could be at war”(….)”
I can’t believe they still it the “Great Patriotic War.” To be more accurate, it should be called, “The Ignoble War to Make the World Safe for the Materialist Ideologies of Communism and Capitalism.” Germany should never have invaded the Soviet Union, obviously, and Lebensraum was a bad policy (that would have never worked in practice anyway). But that doesn’t change the fact that the world would objectively be a better place today if the good guys had won World War 2.
^^^ Stupendous ignorance about the sacrifice made by the Russians and other USSR citizens in ’41-’45, and the importance place that has in their consciousness.
What I can’t believe, is that you consider the nazis the “good guys” in WWII. There is really a problem there.Certainly with objective opinion, the allied forces were no “Saints” in the war. But compared to Hitler and the nazis they were. To say, “Germany should never have invaded the Soviet Union, obviously, and Lebensraum was a bad policy (that would have never worked in practice anyway)”. Would have to take the prize for the greatest “understatement”, I’ve heard in many years.
Budget? Its a guy with a laptop in his garage.. But he is also very smart and he organizes others to join with him in his efforts. Some other smart people like Peto Lucem now release their own reports there. It is a beginning and I hope many more join. It would be the only way to compete with the likes of big budget propaganda machines like CNN and BBC.
And talking about propaganda machines, the turks have joined with the ukies to create one for Europe and they gave a presentation about Russian ballistic missile capabilities in the Caspian.. to destroy hospitals and schools.. The commander of the Syrian airbase looked like he didn’t know how to answer the charges, waved his arms around a lot. So I guess it worked sorta.. How do you counter fools? Without looking like an idiot yourself..
Is it that simple? What I mean by that is, upto a point, there is “interests” and goals before it turns evil.. Just like in the US, hubris made the Germans go crazy. I look at the persecution of jews as bad, but such things happened everywhere on different scales. All it did was drive European talent to the US. US had its own.. Japanese and Chinese were not real people, Blacks were not even people. If the US had lost we would be seeing propaganda the other way. Have we forgotten the French and Dutch and English colonies? Looking at it, there were no decent countries to look unto as models to follow. And I don’t think the soviets were much better.. Actually they were worse. Just like all the Europeans, they too considered non-whites as unbecoming civilized humans.
I bet even now many Russians think it is beneath contempt that they have to beg the Chinese for help. I definitely know from the few comments I see, that it gets their goat that they have to be part of BRICKS to survive.. You only get such views if you think others dont have much to contribute even though except for SA, the other 3 countries are far stronger in many other areas than military.
I think the ukies show us a living example of what could be..
“I think the ukies show us a living example of what could be..”
I think what “would” have been. Except on a far more massive scale. Check out the nazi “Master Plan East” for what was coming. A few “highlights” below:
The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and/or extermination of most Slavic peoples in Europe, whom the Nazis viewed as racially inferior and non-Aryan.[2][3] The programme operational guidelines, prepared in the years 1939–1942, were based on the policy of Lebensraum designed by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement,…”
“According to Bach-Zelewski, Himmler stated openly: “It is a question of existence, thus it will be a racial struggle of pitiless severity, in the course of which 20 to 30 million Slavs and Jews will perish through military actions and crises of food supply.”
Percentages of ethnic groups targeted for extermination and/or deportation by Nazi Germany from future settlement areas[2][12][13]
Ethnic group Percentage subject to removal
Latvians 50%
Estonians 50%[14]
Czechs 50%
Russians 50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western Siberia
Ukrainians 65%
Belarusians 75%
Poles 80–85%
Lithuanians 85%
Latgalians 100%
Generalplan Ost envisaged differing percentages of the various conquered nations undergoing Germanization (for example, 50% of Czechs, 35% of Ukrainians and 25% of Belarusians), extermination, expulsion and other fates, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would be Germanized. In ten years’ time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines in Europe. The “Small Plan” was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War II expulsion of Poles by Germany (first to colonial district of the General Government and, from 1942 also to Polenlager).[15] After the war, under the “Big Plan”, Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were “racially undesirable”, 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[6] and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves.[8] In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended “living space” (Lebensraum). Because the number of Germans appeared to be insufficient to populate the vast territories of Central and Eastern Europe, the peoples judged to lie racially between the Germans and the Russians (Mittelschicht), namely, Latvians and even Czechs, were also supposed to be resettled there.[16]
According to Nazi intentions, attempts at Germanization were to be undertaken only in the case of those foreign nationals in Central and Eastern Europe who could be considered a desirable element for the future Reich from the point of view of its racial theories. The Plan stipulated that there were to be different methods of treating particular nations and even particular groups within them. Attempts were even made to establish the basic criteria to be used in determining whether a given group lent itself to Germanization. These criteria were to be applied more liberally in the case of nations whose racial material (rassische Substanz) and level of cultural development made them more suitable than others for Germanization. The Plan considered that there were a large number of such elements among the Baltic nations. Erhard Wetzel felt that thought should be given to a possible Germanization of the whole of the Estonian nation and a sizable proportion of the Latvians. On the other hand, the Lithuanians seemed less desirable since they contained too great an admixture of Slav blood. Himmler’s view was that “almost the whole of the Lithuanian nation would have to be deported to the East”.[12]
Whatever happened, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were to be deprived of their statehood, while their territories were to be included in the eastern area of German settlement. This meant that Latvia and especially Lithuania would be covered by the deportation plans, though in a somewhat milder form than the Slav—”voluntary” emigration to western Siberia. While the Baltic nations like Estonians would be spared from repressions and physical liquidation that Jews or Poles were experiencing, in the long term the Nazi planners did not foresee their existence as independent entitites and they would be deported as well, with eventual denationalisation; initial designs were for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to be Germanized within 25 years, however Heinrich Himmler revised them to 20 years.[17]
Origins of German colonists resettled during the “Heim ins Reich” action to annexed Polish territories.
In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[18] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[16] By 1952, only about 3–4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist. Experiments in mass sterilization in concentration camps may also have been intended for use on the populations.[19] The Wehrbauer, or soldier-peasants, would be settled in a fortified line to prevent civilization reanimating beyond the Ural Mountains and threatening Germany.[20] “Tough peasant races” would serve as a bulwark against attack.[21]
The seizure of food supplies in Ukraine brought about starvation, as it was intended to do to depopulate that region for German settlement.[22] Soldiers were told to steel their hearts against starving women and children, because every bit of food given to them was stolen from the German people, endangering their nourishment.[23]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
UB1
That “general plan ost” is remarkably similar to the “greater” israel project of Jewish zionists. In fact, how the israelis have treated Palestinians is almost identical to the nazi plans for Eastern Europe.
Coincidence?
Hardly.
The convergence of like minds. Or more accurately, mentally diminished and fully psychotic minds.
True. I’ve always said that the zionists “drank deep at the nazi well”. The whole movement is based on extreme ultra-nationalism. A carbon copy of the most extreme variety in Europe of the time.Only “tweaked” to fit in the Middle East.
Maybe I should have put a disclaimer.. Given hubris, insanity and a sense of divine providence, cultures get transformed into Psychopathological behavior. The underlying tensions were there and once they got past the point of threshold, they began to believe in their own divine purpose.
Because if they had already believed that way, they would not have been partnering with the soviets for a while before, training, industrializing and trading on a massive scale. And for that matter, what would it have taken the US to have gotten to the same point? Well they had already done it on a massive scale to eradicate the native Americans. The Europeans were doing it on a wide scale in Africa and in a way in India as well. Why are we ignoring what others were doing in other parts of the world. A war makes things far worse.. The Nazi’s were not the exception, they just broke maybe because of the stress of their looming defeat.
Mental disorders of such things makes one believe and do strange things. It transforms the original purpose into useless self defeating ventures. Just reinforcing even more and even faster that coming defeat. We also saw this with the pol pot.
But usually because of different cultures and contacts around the world we can see this from the outside and provide sufficient pressure to halt this descent into insanity. But when you have someone as powerful as the US not halting things as in Ukraine, we might actually see things take a turn there and would have happened if not for the resistance in the east. We know it can happen since during the split in the Indian subcontinent, people who used to live together for centauries killed like 5 million of each other and it would have gotten to Nazi levels if not for like the likes of ghandi who tried to stop such things.. so it was touch and go there as well. So I can see this happening in Ukraine quiet clearly if Putin steps aside.
Not excusing the Nazi’s.. I just want others to be held accountable as well. It would be the only way to stop what happened in the 20th centaury all over the world from happening again. The success of the Nazi’s upto a point should not be the exception. And aint this now not the same goal to be done in Syria?
Is anybody besides me marveling at the quality of those SouthFront videos?
This is, I think, absolutely superb stuff.
YMMV of course :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
“Is anybody besides me marveling at the quality of those SouthFront videos?”
Yes, me, simply amazing!
Yes,I’ve thought the same. They do an amazing job on their videos.And especially considering the very limited budget they have to work with. There work matches (and for accuracy surpasses) the MSM videos.
Yes, SF does a great job.
To the thread of this story, perhaps it could be interesting the following story:
“Military leaders warn of impending conflicts in Europe”:
http://www.elespiadigital.com/index.php/noticias/historico-de-noticias/12307-lideres-militares-advierten-sobre-conflictos-inminentes-en-europa-
“(….) In an internal document revealed last week, the head of the Swedish army, General Anders Brännström ordered his troops to prepare for war in Europe against qualified “in a few years’ opponents.
Leaked documents would cite the head of the Swedish Army, Anders Brännström, before a meeting with the commander of the Swedish defense, claiming that Sweden could be at war in a few years.
According Brannstrom: “The security situation we are experiencing leads me to the conclusion that in the course of a few years we could be at war”(….)”