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Kaliningrad: There is a lot of back history to the place also. it was a buffer area for attacks heading toward St. Petersburg. Thanks for the new music and most excellent presentation.
Königsberg,a former German City renamed Kaliningrad
Leningrad,a former Soviet City renamed Sanit Petersburg
I just read this on Veterans Today, USA;
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/breaking-isisturkey-advanced-missile-downs-russian-bomber-over-syria/
Is this for real?
VT – gets it wrong – again. Not a reliable source:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160130/1033983456/russia-denies-turkish-airspace-violation.html
Turks complaining again because they want to invade Syria and spoil peace talks………
Its fake. If it was true we’d be hearing of dozens of Russian missiles striking all over Turkey as I type these words. They would be showing “Turkey” what “shock and awe” really means.
I just read this on Veterans Today, USA;
I recommend you ignore them completely – their record is even worse than Debka (which is another source I would also totally ignore).
The Saker
Excellent advise, Saker. Only reason to look into those sites is to get an idea of what kind of disinfo/spin is intended.
Strategically, maintaining such an isolated outpost makes no sense.
Historically, this has never been a Russian land, it was shamelessly annexed because at the time the winners wanted to finish and destroy Germany and its people once and for all.
Economically it’s a burden and Morally this is the notoriously most corrupt region of Russia.
Honesty asks this territory to be kindly returned (sold ? exchanged ?) to Germany.
If there was a time when ‘winners wanted to end Germany and it’s people once and for all’, there probably wouldn’t be no Germany today. On the other hand Germans really did want to subjugate and exterminate large portions of population in Europe. Especially ‘subhuman’ Slavic race.
Do not forget that the Russians kept their word and withdraw in an orderly fashion without a single bullet fired once the two Germany’s were reunited.
No, Germans didn’t feel victor’s wrath. At least not the way the Germans would finish off the Russians and the rest if they have won the war.
So, honesty asks that Germans think twice before asking others to do what’s right.
Maybe that is why the germans never learnt. Now with genghis khan, everyone who dealth with them learnt things.
“No, Germans didn’t feel victor’s wrath.”
Are you kidding me ??? Or are you the greatest ignorant ?
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removed. No attacking other commenters. Mod TR
Certainly Germany suffered horribly during and after the war. But in no way can what happened to the Germans compare to the “horrors” the Germans inflicted on the peoples of the USSR. If they had responded in the same manner to the Germans the German people would be only a memory from history today.Any attempt to claim differently is purely pro-nazi Western propaganda.And should be dismissed as such.
I am not kidding. Germany was the aggressor. Going too soft on Germans was the biggest mistake of the Soviet Union. Germany should’ve never been allowed to make a BB gun ever again.
Want Kaliningrad? Bidding starts at 26 million souls.
Arschloch!
Surely you are joking? Did you not understand ice free access to the Baltic and the naval strategic importance of that or the missile defensive coverage against the USA’s NATO aggressor?
For some other related background of geopolitical stances and how it pertains to Russia, Gilbert Doctorow has an excellent summary of what you will never see in Western controlled media, namely Lavrov’s annual press conference:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-had-enough-no-more-business-usual-us-eu/ri12548
On the Russian Syrian front another great summary by NY based Ulson Gunnar:
http://journal-neo.org/2016/01/30/syrias-base-wars/
As global warming reduces ice, perhaps though Russia might just consider your exchange -how about Kaliningrad for Alaska? Sound like a deal?
Instead how about trading it for Latvia and Estonia.That would solve some major issues.And make a large section of the people living there happy.
Good point Uncle Bob, and, at the risk of over-simplification, perhaps those in Latvia and Lithuania (might as well throw in isolated Estonia while at it) that don’t like Russia could join the Bandera enclave and enjoy themselves strutting around with flaming torches while in SS rune adorned attire and waving neo-nazi flags?
Good point ! Making a “ghetto”,so to speak,for all the nazi groups in Europe out of West Ukraine might solve that problem in Europe.Sort of like a “history” zoo. While the rest of Ukraine (and Europe) can make a life for themselves in peace, and in consort with Russia.
A ghetto for euro-nazis? Great idea. Love the discussion above. But why throw away good land in west Ukraine for such a noble project when there is an ideal wasteland nearby? I mean the region surrounding Chernobyl. Build a wall (but call it a “separation barrier” so there is no mistaking who to reference it to) around the radiated area and deposit the sods inside. And since the current nazi fad is a project of zionazi, inc., round those things up and chuck them in there too.
Problem solved.
Better build that ‘separation barrier’ pretty high and an infestation of radio-active neo-nazis with two heads might be an issue -although they’d probably be stupid enough to try to eliminate each other.
This might require a whole new expression to replace ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’…
http://theonion.com/2056-06-22/news/4/
If Russia was ever forced to give the area up,it wouldn’t be returned to Germany. It would be divided between Lithuania and Poland. Returning it to Germany would reopen the prospect of “what about the other ex-German areas”. And that is something the EU doesn’t want to do.
Other than Nato/US i can see no natural reason why it should ever leave russian hands.
like a lot of that region it was German. Some of the region is now very much Poland and inhabited by Poles. Some is very much Lithuania and inhabited by Lithuanians and Russians miniorities.
Kaliningrad is now very much Russia and inhabited by Russians.
Try to give it to Poland – and there really is no desire for it (I live in Warsaw).
Try to give it to Germany and the world, as you say would go wild – Germany has a much greater claim to a third of Poland.
Give it to Lithuania and they’ll have to give Russian speakers (non lithuanian speakers) the vote – and who knows what they might lead to.
I agree,it isn’t going anywhere. But “if” it did. It wouldn’t be going to Germany. That kettle of fish is something the EU is terrified of seeing.
Oh, yes – yrr.
Moscow will return or exchange it pretty soon.
Soon as the empirers return guantanamo to Cuba and the unitedkingdomers hand over Gibraltar back to Spain.
and the malvinas/falkands.
also not going to happen……oil
Oh the ignorance…
Guantanamo is not seized, but leased for 100-something years (for whopping $6000 or so – but that’s another topic).
Nothing illegal there whatsoever, the lease is still ongoing. Get your facts straight.
“Strategically, maintaining such an isolated outpost makes no sense.”
Why would Germans want it back then? There a little thing called Poland between Germany and Kaliningrad and it would then become a German(i`m guessing it`s a keyword) isolated outpost. As the report said, from it Russia can neutralize NATO radars, bases, airfields deep inside central Europe. To me it sounds strategically invaluable. Annoying fascists quasi elites of Poland/Lithuania and NATO in general is a fun bonus effect.
“Historically, this has never been a Russian land, it was shamelessly annexed because at the time the winners wanted to finish and destroy Germany and its people once and for all.”
There are still both Germany and the Germans. I always thought that dividing historical Prussia region between than USSR and Poland was one of the better ideas. That way the bellicose Prussian aristocracy and German militarism lost it heartland once and for all. Historically speaking, it was never German land anyway. Germans butchered/ expelled local population and colonised it themselves.
“Honesty asks this territory to be kindly returned (sold ? exchanged ?) to Germany.”
Write a petition to Russian Duma, add the words “shamelessly annexed” in it and I am sure they will return it. While youre at it, also write a petition to Polish Sejm or Senate) demanding the return of “shamelessly annexed” historical German regions in Poland( roughly 1/3-1/2 of Poland today).
OT but not much. It seems the Turks and NATO are still trying to cause problems in the Eastern Med. Turkey now says a Russian plane “again” violated their airspace. They called in the Russian Ambassador to complain and NATO is also complaining about it. The Russian government denies that it happened. But more important than that (Russia see’s that as just “another” provocation”). Is the inadequate way RT wrote about it. That exposes a “real problem” that needs to be addressed. There must be quite a few 5th column elements allowed to work at RT. And if there is an editor that reads and approves what is posted in their articles,then he or she must be one of them. And needs to be replaced quickly.We know from the last incident that Russia officially denied that the attacked Russian bomber went into Turkish airspace at all. Yet ,here is how RT reported on that in this article,” In November, Turkey downed a Russian bomber, a Su-24, after it briefly violated the country’s airspace.” So they are accepting the Turkish/NATO story,that the Russian government denied. It’s just that type of sabotage that needs to be purged out.One of the Western media’s main “tricks” is to insert certain words and their viewpoint into an otherwise accurate story.Its one of the many ways they manipulate the “news” in the West. Its outrageous that they are allowed to do that through 5th columnists in Russia as well.That needs exposure,and the problem fixed.
https://www.rt.com/news/330723-turkey-russia-jet-envoy/
Uncle Bob 1
You see (read) what I see (read). “RT” is the “NY Times” of Russia. And that is an insult.
The information struggle inside Russia would be tolerable, if the other Patriotic Russian medias would take issue with and Expose “RT” as a 5th Column traitorous rag.
Does any reader of this website know, if the RT comes under any criticism (from Russians)? At all? Ever?
PJA
An insult?anton, i thank all the gods of the tundra that there is an RT. I could say the comparison is itself a compliment.
The widespread hate vs RT in the west… is in turn the best compliment.
I believe RT is a good thing. They do far more good than harm. But the West constantly tries to infiltrate all media outlets. And when that is seen,it needs to be corrected.
It seems someone at RT noticed what I did. They have now updated the story correctly. It now says,” In November, Turkey downed a Russian a Su-24 bomber, also claiming that it had violated the country’s airspace, albeit for 17 seconds. The plane went down in Syria. Moscow has denied that any breach occurred and has accused the Turkish government of supporting terrorist forces in Syria.” Good correction by RT. But they shouldn’t have needed to do that. The correct quote should have been posted in the first place.
https://www.rt.com/news/330723-turkey-russia-jet-envoy/
At least they got the model of aircraft right – here’s Sputnik saying the Turks downed an SU-34 in November.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160131/1033988128/turkey-airspace-violation-claims-excuse.html
OT:
‘Resisting deviation’: Thousands protest gay unions, adoptions in Rome (PHOTOS)
https://www.rt.com/news/330732-italy-gay-rights-protest-rome/
“Italy is one of the few western countries that is still resisting this deviation,” Massimo Gandolfini, the organizer of demonstration, told Sky Tg24.”
While on the subject of gays…
Sex & Lady Gaga tickets: Another US Navy officer pleads guilty to corruption
https://www.rt.com/usa/330570-navy-commander-guilty-bribery/
“Commander Michael Vannak Khem Misiewicz is the latest US Navy officer to plead guilty in a massive corruption scandal involving a defense contractor and dozens of naval personnel.
Standing before the in US District Court in San Diego on bribery charges, Misiewicz admitted providing classified information to businessman Leonard Francis in exchange for various treats, including paid travel, luxury hotel stays, sex with prostitutes and Lady Gaga concert tickets.”
Dont ask, dont tell, eh?
And again speaking of closet gays:
https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.01/original/56a8ee7dc46188242a8b4600.jpg
Sex toys and sumo challenges: Odd moments in Oregon standoff
https://www.rt.com/usa/330743-oregon-standoff-odd-moments/
“Social media users were less concerned about impartiality, quickly dubbing the occupiers “Vanilla ISIS” – a reference to the terror group occupying portions of Syria and Iraq – or “Y’all Qaeda,” associating an expression from the southern US with Islamic terrorism.
Seizing on the militia’s request that their supporters send snacks and packages with supplies, critics began sending boxes of sex toys to the refuge instead. Calling it “hate mail,” militia member Jon Ritzheimer posted a video on Facebook complaining about the special “care packages.”
“They spend and waste their money on all this hateful stuff to send out here to us, and buy this ridiculous stuff, even this one was really funny, a bag of d**ks,” he said in a January 13 recording, which has since been taken down by Facebook.”
But they went ahead and used the toys,
just the same.
“To go along with the sex toys, the refuge received a 55-gallon drum of personal lubricant, courtesy of Max Temkin, co-founder of the popular party game ‘Cards Against Humanity.’
As the phantom standoff entered its fourth week, one of the militia members offered to settle the dispute man-to-man – through sumo wrestling.”
http://twitter.com/RT_America/status/692097243575222273/photo/1
Defend Fortress Kaliningrad!
Do it Now!!! 20,000 Marines, each, should do the trick. Now! Or, at the latest, this evening.
The destruction of Yugoslavia by the Zionist American NATO, and the movement of the NATO-American troops, Abrams tanks, missiles, fighter/bomber aircraft, into the myriad dispersed counties of that once proud nation, (and other areas surrounding Russia), and the continued pressure on the tiny remnant nation of Serbia, who desperately require, (along with Greece), the protection of Russia, Begs:
20,000 Marines each, (Estonia, Latvia, &, Lithuania), and break the isolation of Kalingrad, and while you are at it, – Bring Belorussia and, Djugashvili’s birthplace of Georgia, Home!
Calm down!
The Zionist Americans will do nothing militarily, other than throw more Sanctions and insults (which they will do anyway – at the least excuse). The survival of Russia, and Europe, and our Planet, Require that the Russians defend themselves.
Will someone please forward this missive to the Russian leaders?
Durruti (nom de plume)
More good military news:
Fiscal Times: U.S.’s F-35 mired in problems, Russia’s T-50 gets ahead
More Bad News for the Snakebit F-35
https://m.ria.ru/defense_safety/20160130/1367515112.html
https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/01/29/More-Bad-News-Snakebit-F-35
“Experts believe a fully-functional F-35 would be superior to the T-50..”
Lemons are never fully-functional, by definition.
“Experts believe a fully-functional F-35 would be superior to the T-50..”
LOL, that is a funny quote SO. Those are the sort of “experts” one finds on youtube comments. :D
Yeah but it is true cause I saw F35’s kicking alien ass on the latest Hollywood action block buster. If they can win against aliens, they must be better than anything them commies hobble together?? /S
Thought process of F35 supporter :)) ;)
As an example of what Russia must face with Poland is this story of a TV interview in Poland with the Russian Minister of Culture.The level that some Poles will go to in hating Russia. And more importantly what happens to Poles that don’t agree to the Russophobia:
https://www.rt.com/news/330735-minister-interview-poland-ww2/
Great and glorious Gownopolska — forever proud of proving that Polish jokes aren’t really jokes.
Q: What on Earth are a bunch of devout Psheks doing far away in Siberia?
A: As Psheks understand Geography, all roads lead to Rome.
Britain’s New £1Bln Warships Breaking Down Because of Engine Troubles
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160131/1033987956/uk-destroyers-breaking.html
1 billion pound lemons. Perhaps the Brits could buy some of those pindo mic $100 hammers to fix them? ;D
Regarding the Russian-German relations : President Putin was asked by a reporter (Q&A session) what is his opinion regarding the Hitler-Stalin-Pact in 1940,Putin answered :”that was a good deal”
In a recently interview,Putin stated “Lenin put an atomic bomb under Russia”
He has in no way such critical views towards Germany and Germans in general as many of you have posted here.He is inclined,as his predecessors in before the revolution in Russia,that the two Nations have to be very closed friends,have many things in common,even the history.But other forces – I may say evil forces – had always intervened against such approach till today.They have been so successful in their evil “work”,even bringing the two countries at war with each other with countless casualties and sufferings.And now they try to make the same again.
@ioan:
Thank four your post. I was already asking myself what am I doing on such a site filled with hatred towards Germany and the Germans.
I wonder whether those people have ever heard something about Immanuel Kant or the “Seven bridges of Koenigsberg”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Bridges_of_K%C3%B6nigsberg
Putin speaks German quite well and I’m sure he has got affections to some sort of an ideal Germany.
After the fall of the Berlin wall Kaliningrad was offered by Gorbachev of beeing returened to Germany but the German poodles (Kohl & Genscher) refused!
It’s the AZ empire that wants Russia and Germany to be ennemies!