Dear Friends
In the technical solution that was chosen for this Telegram group, to avoid the need for moderation, and to avoid spam, I made sure to have a group that is technically “closed” to all for the rights of writing. I validate individual members by giving them an administrator status, with minimal rights, just so they can write.
But I have just reached the administrator limit that Telegram allows me to have, which is 50.
I’ve discussed with Andrei, and he agrees that the current solution is satisfactory, since we have a limited group of responsible members, which does not require moderation.
If we would open the group to everyone, this limit of 50 would no longer be, but we would need moderation, and the quality of the discussions would be more uncertain.
(Please note that there is no limit to members who can register and read the content of the group, this limit is just for active members with writing rights).
So for the time being, we’ll keep it that way.
But because we are limited to 50 active members, each time I have a new request I will downgrade a member who has the status of administrator, and who has not logged on to his Telegram account for a month.
If I have no more members in this category, I will downgrade members who have writing rights, but who have never participated in the group.
I would like to take advantage of this message to ask those who have writing rights, but who do not feel being active participant in the group, to let me know in a private message in order to free up spaces for new actives members.
Please understand that when I downgrade a member, he can always be registered to the group and read all the messages, only the right to write will be removed.
The goal is to have a core of active, responsible members who produce interesting discussions for the benefit of the whole Saker community, with the possibility of dialoguing with the Saker and the other members of the group… and this without the need for moderators.
Thank you for your understanding,
Fedor
“I’ve discussed with Andrei, and he agrees that the current solution is satisfactory, since we have a limited group of responsible members, which does not require moderation.
If we would open the group to everyone, this limit of 50 would no longer be, but we would need moderation, and the quality of the discussions would be more uncertain.”
Saker, this strikes me as discriminatory, the wording could be ambivalent, but is it really the direction you wish to take ?
I absolutely LOVE the word/notion of “discrimination”. All it refers to is the ability to distinguish differences. Like between somebody who posts a lot and somebody who does not.
So yes, this is very much discrimination, as is moderation, by the way.
I hope that this removes ANY notion that I don’t discriminate.
I do!
A lot.
Kind regards
One may introduce discriminatory procedures and practice based upon some belief or other, and one may strive to practice the art of inner discernment.
Whether one notices if someone posts often or seldom, is presumably a matter of observation.
Communication, understanding and respect in life are the way forwards Saker, in this sense, all the very best with your new telegram discussion group.
Kind regards
Come join us Raisa. Fedor has the reigns here and this is temporary if you look at what he just said.
/saker-telegram-discussion-group-announcement/#comment-795839
This is all very new to me and I’m still falling over my fingers. But we do help one another.
I’m good with that Fedor. In reality, it is just cycling the ones who are actively participating without worrying the ones who only want to read – for this moment until we hit the ’50 participant wall’. It is clear that a decision will be needed at that time – but that time is not now. It would be good to keep an unmoderated environment in my view. And so far, so good. And thanks for what you are doing here.
Fedor, please feel free to remove me – I follow you with interest, but I have little to contribute so it would not be fair on worthy contributors to have one of them denied a place due to my lurking.
I can still look you up in the Vineyard, as I do every day.
Hi Cascadian,
(and by the way this message is addressed to all those who contact me on the mail)
PLEASE identify yourself, give me your Telegram @username, not your public name, i need what Telegram call a @username, the one that in the Telegram’s settings is below your phone number.
It saves me having to search for you in the list of members, not finding you, and ask again.
So Cascadian, thanks you for your message, but i am not abble to see if you are a simple membre, or a member with writtings acces. I see no “Cascadian” anywhere.
So only if you are a member with the writiing acces, email me your @username on the mail.
Does this Telegram thing mean that only certain people can comment?
Or only certain people can comment on “Telegram”?
Are the rest of us going to see these discussions/comments?
How?
Thanks,
Katherine
Katherine, download telegram for your phone or your computer. Create a user account, and send this to Fedor as described here. /saker-announcement-changes-in-the-planned-saker-telegram-channel-plans/
Fedor’s problem is somewhat of a technical problem, and to do with what Telegram allows and how he set it up. At the moment it is not a problem. He will make a change when there is 50 active posters.
No Amarynth,
We have reached this limit of 50 members with special “low admin” rights, this is why i made the annoucement.
So to anwser to Katherine :
Yes for the moment we will have a limit of 50 actives users that can comment on the DIscussion Group.
And “the rest of us”, everybody can still join the Group and “see these discussions/comments”.
This is the adress of the group ON TELEGRAM :
https://t.me/TheSakergroup
It means that you need to have Telegram to have acces to it.
For those who don’t know, Telegram is a messenger, kind of Whatsapp (but much better)
You can go there :
https://telegram.org/
and download the application.
You can have it on your phone, on your computer, and also in a web browser (if you dont want to dowload the app)
The “Telegram web” (no app) can be found here :
https://web.telegram.org/#/login
But it is much more convenient to download the app, you will have a much better user experience and much more settings and the app will synchronizes between your phone and your computer.
Then you have to register with a phone number.
You have to choose a @username (go in the settings, under your phone number).
The @username is important, because if you don’t choose a @username, depending of your privacy settings, members of the groups you are joining might see your phone number. If you have a @username, they will just see your @username.
So now that you are in Telegram, you can join the group with the link above or just type “The saker discussion group” in the upper right search engine.
Thanks for the explanation, Fedor.
I don’t use a “smartphone,” so I guess I cannot read what goes on at Telegram.
Perhaps interesting items will be reposted here for the rest of the herd.
Cheers, Katherine
Sure you can Katherine. I have mine running on my computer desktop alone and not on a phone. They say you have more stuff available when you run on both phone and computer, but so far, I have enough stuff :-)
Oh. Well, Fedor says:
“Then you have to register with a phone number.”
I assume that means with a phone number that gives access to the app. But I don’t have that.
katherine
I have a couple of questions.
Will Telegram replace the Cafe?
Will Telegram become an exclusive club for those who were quick enough to jump in, leaving long time commentators as mere onlookers?
Will those who have not signed up to Telegram suffer from “FOMO” – Fear of Missing Out?
Perhaps others have these questions too.
I think the answer is no to all of these questions Babushka in Oz. Also see my response to Katherine.
Telegram is different – I find the discussion wider ranging than on these comments here, but fast and quick. It is just different. I scrolled back there a little and the last about 24 hours the discussion was quite heavy economics mainly.
Will Telegram replace the Cafe?
absolutely not!! The Cafe is a separate thing, totally
Will Telegram become an exclusive club for those who were quick enough to jump in, leaving long time commentators as mere onlookers?
Nope, Fedor will decide on the basis of activity and, if needed, I will have a final say is somebody is left out.
Will those who have not signed up to Telegram suffer from “FOMO” – Fear of Missing Out?
Yes, you need to install the Telegram app on your smartphone (and, if you have done so, then you can also have Telegram on your desktop browser) in order to participate.
HTH
The Saker
Thanks Saker, yes that did help.
Greetings from down under.
Na minha modesta opinião o autor deve selecionar os melhores comentaristas e fazelo- los espelhos dos participantes do Blog. Quem se sobressair nos comentários é adicionado conforme os seus comentários. Eu sou do Brasil e deprezo esse teatro esquerda/direita e apenas observo os canalhas e falsos moralistas que se julgam “socialistas” o que é nomal no Brasil. Aqueles que se apresentam como solução na realidade são o problema.
Google translation,MOD:
In my humble opinion, the author should select the best commentators and make them mirrors of the Blog participants. Whoever stands out in the comments is added according to their comments. I am from Brazil and I despise this left / right theater and I only observe the scoundrels and false moralists who consider themselves “socialists” which is noble in Brazil. Those who present themselves as a solution in reality are the problem.
I left the Telegram group when a group of people decided to monopolize the discussion on amateur virology (none of them being a scientist) and placing links to ridiculous and fake sources. I hope this changed.
Yes, that conversation is over now but it will no doubt appear again depending on circumstances. But no need to talk about monopolizing if you did not take part.
Why not opening a closed group the Russian Facebook called https://vk.com/ It is far easier to manage and there are no limitations.
There is also some private group settings on Telegram, we can go up to 200 000 members and it is quiet easy to manage.
BUT The Saker wanted a kind of super-private mode, so i have made it this way.
I’m not so satisfied with this limitation but for now we’ll deal with it and in fact there aren’t that many active account requests, so at the moment no one’s really being penalized.
Eventually we will move on to other choices in the future.
VK is even more hypocritical than Fakebook when it comes to criticism of the zionist entity in Occupied Palestine. And they make up even more bizarre excuses for banning people. For instance they banned me for “posting pornography” even though I have never even posted art nudity (and there are plenty of pornography posting groups on VK). They later admitted that I had never posted pornography but did not reinstate my account. VK also has no problem with blatant racism and Nazi posts while at the same time pro Palestinian posters are swiftly suppressed.
Thanks! Good to know.