Jimmie Moglia for The Saker Blog
In all mass phenomena it is uncertain whether to believe the scientists as the infallible voices of truth, or if, in their explanation of some events, we see but the dimming of the light of reason. For in the current currents of the world, science is often an improper verbal expression, used by sundry technocratic dictatorships to suggest unquestionable infallibility, leading to the imposition of very questionable restrictive measures.
I will remind the irrefragable believers in science, that not long ago (for example), the National Institute of Science and Technology determined that Building 7, a 50 story structure untouched by planes during 9/11 – and reinforced by an additional 200-million $ investment to secure unassailable strength and invulnerable resistance – collapsed due to an office fire. Not after retracting previous even more comical explanations, publicly exposed by a high-school physics teacher.
In fact the term or concept of ‘science’ has a curious conceptual kinship with the term or concept of ‘constitution.’ Both are shields against dissent.
For science is what I believe among what I see (or I am told) that supports my own perception or prejudice. Perceptions and prejudice that include parental influences, sense of security or insecurity, safety in crowds, etc.
Whereas constitution is what I believe the state should do if only I had any influence. In fact, especially in America, the helpless and hapless member of the decaying middle class, who claims that this or that measure is ‘unconstitutional,’ deserves both sympathy and a smile.
A smile because the courts that decide on constitutional matters have less concern for him than an elephant has for an ant, or as the writers of the declaration of independence had for the ‘people’. Indeed, they believed that all men are created equal, except the original American Indians, who were a nuisance, the women and the poor who could not vote, and the slaves who were not human.
Sympathy because he is an idealist – for he believes in democracy and therefore, implicitly, in the Panglossian and Leibnitzian view that this (American) is the best of all possible worlds.
To prevent the irate remarks of those who hold a quasi-religious belief in science, I will state, by far and away and without the shadow of a doubt, that I am not a scientist. The following are but observations that, with some adaptation, may apply to all mass phenomena.
Furthermore, it has become standard practice to label as conspiracy theorists all those whose point of view on matters touching on authorities differ from the proclaimed vulgate.
Conspiracy Theory is a kind of post-theological term defining heresy against the official political doctrine – a doctrine that is itself a totally artificial construct. In fact the new anti-conspiracy centers, based on the censure of alleged “fake news”, are actually preparing the Revolution of Silence. They are disguised tribunals of inquisition, indicting those who give a different interpretation to the daily scriptures.
Actually, apart from all that has already been said on the subject, the proto-conspiracy theorist was Socrates, who employed dialectics (read uncensored exchanges of questions and answers) to reach a tentative truth. And we know how he ended.
But I digress. Why the long introduction when the subject of epidemics would deserve none, as all are affected in however different ways? Because what follows is a concise historical reflection on epidemics, but I will leave it to the willing and patient reader to reach his/her own conclusions.
I will begin by citing a point of view on the plague that struck Italy around 1630. Europe was in the midst of the Thirty Years War and marauding armies spread the disease as they ravaged countries. At the time astrology was part of, or akin to science, and here is the point of view of a contemporary philosopher-scientist.
The passage comes from one of the best known novels of the 19th century [in English “The Betrothed”]. The English translation cannot convey the grand tone of the Italian language of the 1600, akin to the French of Racine or Rabelais or to the English of Richard Burton, in his massive but extremely amusing “Anatomy of Melancholy” – incidentally, the book I would take with me – if I could only take one – should I be stranded indefinitely in the proverbial remote island.
The thesis of the philosopher-scientist was that the plague did not exist. In comparison, today no one denies the existence of the corona virus, though, as we will see, that is not the end of the story.
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From the commencement of the pestilence, Don Ferrante was one of the most resolute in denying its existence, not indeed like the multitude, with cries of rage, but with arguments which none could accuse of want of concatenation.
“In nature,” said he, “there are but two kinds of things, substances and accidents; and if I prove that the contagion can neither be one nor the other of these I shall have proved that it does not exist; that it is a chimera. Thus, then: substances are either material or spiritual; that the contagion is a spiritual substance, is so absurd an opinion, that no one would presume to advance it; it is, then, useless to speak of it. Material substances are either simple or compound.
Now, the contagion is not a simple substance, and I will prove it in three words. It is not an aerial substance, because, if it were, instead of passing from one body to another, it would fly off to its sphere; it is not a watery substance, because it would be dried up by the wind; it is not igneous, because it would burn; it is not earthy, because it would be visible. Moreover, it is not a compound substance, because it would be sensible to the eye, or to the touch; and who has seen it? or touched it? It remains to see if it be an accident.
This is still less probable. The doctors say it is communicated from body to body; this is their Achilles’ heel; the pretext for so many useless regulations.
Now, supposing it an accident, it would be a transferable accident, which is an incongruity. There is not in all philosophy a more evident thing than this, that an accident cannot pass from one subject
to another; so if, to avoid this Scylla, they are reduced to call it an accident produced, they avoid Scylla by falling into Charybdis, because if it be produced, it does not communicate itself, it does not
propagate, as they declare. These principles allowed, what is the use of talking of boils and carbuncles?”
“It is folly,” said one of his hearers.
“No, no,” resumed Don Ferrante, “I do not say so. Science is science; we must only know how to employ it. Swellings, purple inflammations, and black carbuncles, are respectable terms, which have a good and proper signification; but I say they have nothing to do with the question. Who denies that there may be and are such things? We must only prove whence they come.”
Here began the vexations of Don Ferrante. So long as he laughed at the contagion, he found respectful and attentive listeners; but when he came to distinguish and demonstrate that the error of the doctors was, not in affirming that there existed a general and terrible disease, but rather in assigning its cause, then he found them intractable and rebellious, then he no longer dared expose his doctrine, but by shreds and patches.
“Here is the true reason,” said he, “and those even who maintain other fancies are obliged to acknowledge it. Let them deny, if they can, that there is a fatal conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. And when has it been said that influences propagate? And would these gentlemen deny the existence of influences? Will they say there are no planets? or will they say that they keep up above, doing nothing, as so many pins in a pincushion? But that which I cannot understand from these doctors is,
that they confess we are under so malign a conjunction, and then they tell us, don’t touch this, don’t touch that, and you will be safe! as if, in avoiding the material contact of terrestrial bodies, we could
prevent the virtual effect of celestial bodies. And such a work in burning rags! Poor people! will you burn Jupiter? will you burn Saturn?”
Holding these ideas, that is to say, on these grounds, he took no precautions against the pestilence; he caught it and died, like another hero in literature, complaining of the stars.
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Unlike the coronavirus there are no longer doubts on the nature of the plague. Causing it is a bacterium called Yersinia pestis, usually spread by fleas that pick up the germs when they bite infected animals like rats, mice, or squirrels. Then they pass it to the next animal or person they bite.
As for Don Ferrante, we can well now laugh at the esoteric foundation of his science, but his colleagues of the time were not much more cognizant about the nature of the plague. In fact, to promote the end of the disease, they organized religious processions, which actually favored its rapid spreading.
With the coronavirus we cannot easily bring the stars into the picture as its cause. However, at least in the realm of epidemics, politics have replaced the stars in the mind of geo-politically minded and geo-medical analysts. For some it was an American conspiracy to weaken the Chinese, for others a Chinese conspiracy gone wrong to weaken the Americans.
We then come to an issue dealing with size, a concept familiar to all, including those without a university degree. How large/long is a virus? Specifically, how big is the coronavirus? Here my research has found no conclusive answer, but some usable clues. Extrapolating from the esoteric terminology surrounding the structure of cells, DNA, RNA etc. it is stated by more than one source that a virus varies in size from 25 to 400 nanometers. A smallpox virus (about 250 nanometers) is considered “large.” There are 25,400,000 (twentyfive million and four hundred thousand) nanometers in an inch. It follows that a large virus is 10 millionths of an inch wide.
At which the unspecialized observer may ask: even assuming that the mesh of protective masks is such as to prevent the entry of any virus of any size, the mask wearer still must breathe in and exhale. It follows that the now universally recommended and popular masks protect indeed from contaminants such as dust and mold but – reading from the specifications – “do not eliminate the risk of illness, disease, or death.”
Nevertheless, we all may agree that no remedy may be perfect but any is better than none.
We now deal with a more thorny issue, the nature of the test(s) that determine whether an individual is or isn’t a carrier of the coronavirus. Here I rely on an expert whose expertise I can only assume from his qualifications. Nevertheless his argument as stated, is consistent with logic and, apart from his impeccable qualifications, his physiognomy and demeanor do NOT suggest the “I-know-best” or “I-know-it-all” attitude made familiar by scores of experts and pundits floating to the surface from the mud od mediocrity. (For a video of the interview click here https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI)
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg is a German pneumologist, responsible for Public Health of the Council of Europe, of the Bundestag and of his Land in Germany. He had already unmasked the questionable if not dirty operation connected with the earlier Sars H1N1 epidemic, thanks to which Big Pharma realized astronomical profits, while gaining a permanent seat in the protective shade of power.
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“Every year in the world there appear new viruses, about a hundred. From 2005 to 2013, eight different coronaviruses were observed in Glasgow. They show up in respiratory diseases. The (new) Corona types are between 7 and 15% (of the existing family) added each year. A new variant was discovered in Wuhan and was included in the worldwide database. It should have been validated by measurements and tests, but the World Health Organization, given the great panic, decided to use it immediately in their statistics.
The virologists, contrary to what actually claimed in the field, cannot say how dangerous but only how different the virus is.
The danger can be ascertained only by subsequent epidemiological data, including the acuity of the disease, the timing of recovery, if more patients die and how many.
For this reason it is imperative that comparisons be made with previous years’ data and mortality rates (apparently this was not done).
Now, if I look for coronavirus in an entire population, I’ll find traces of it also between 7 and 15%. But if i go to a clinic and look for the sick, I obviously find a lot more positive cases. If I look in hospitals, I’ll find them out of proportion. It all depends on the number of people I examine.
If I do the research among people in the Intensive Care Units, or who are about to die, or who have died, I will always find coronavirus up to 15% of them. But whether those people are sick or die of coronavirus, or other viruses and other pathologies (and the corona virus is just a coincidental presence), how do I establish it?
I see that in Italy they are all dying of coronavirus. Then I want to know where the tests were taken and what were the autopsies. If the tests were done on terminally ill patients in the hospital, it is obvious that the mortality rate rises, because that’s the only location examined. For the Civil Protection Service, all the dead are counted as caused by the Covid-19 vurus.
1,500 Italians who die every day of everything, end up in the coronavirus list. 37 die of pneumonia, which becomes coronavirus, 1 in 10 Italian has the flu, meaning, for the Civil Protection Service, coronavirus. Is that honest?
As for the seasonal pathology called influenza, we have a mortality rate of 0.1%. It is the upper limit, which means that every winter 1 in 1000 people die of influenza. We now have to see if the corona virus kills more.
In past years all patients with serious diseases in hospitals have not been tested for coronavirus, as today. We should have expected up to 3,000 influenza deaths with coronavirus. Today we are still far from these numbers. In Wuhan, virologists insisted so much on the severity of the virus that it impressed the Chinese government. Convinced about the danger, the government took extraordinary measures that in turn caused international repercussions.
Politicians rushed to the occasion and turned to virologists from whom it was confirmed that the thing was very worrying and that they (the virologists) were ready to help out with tests.
In short, the climate was created and a network of information and opinions was fabricated. In turn politics latched on to these environments and became part of this network. Which led politics (and politicians) to submit to the arguments of virologists and to rely on their decision on whom to help, what security measures should be taken, what to allow, what to prohibit, whom to quarantine. Soon the network decided on everything. Consequently, now it becomes very difficult to express antithetical positions and say, “Stop, nothing extraordinary is happening!”
This reminds me of the fairy tale of the emperor without clothes. Only a child was ready to say, “Hey, the king is naked” All the others, the court, members of government and their helpers, ask instructions from outsiders because, not being experts, they cannot know, they must trust, they must play the rigged match, they must sing in the choir.
Today politics is courted by many scientists (the bearers of dogma). There are scientists who want to enter or connect with politics, as they need money for their institutes. Scientists who swim in this current and want to secure their share. “We can help, we have the APPS, we have the right program.” It means wealth and power.
But we should ask questions that no one asks. How did you find out that this virus is dangerous? How did it behave before? Was there not the same thing last year? Is this really new? This (information) is missing. The king is naked.”
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Other questioning voices have recently been heard regarding some extraordinary anomalies, such as the dramatic differences among the dead from Coronavirus between, say, Italy and Germany. For example, on the 19h of March, 52 in Germany, 3,405 in Italy.
In Germany who dies of cancer, pneumonia, cardiac arrest and Coronavirus, is considered as having died of cancer, pneumonia etc. That is, the virus is not computed as the cause of death, unless it is the exclusive cause.
In Italy, instead, whoever has contracted the Coronavirus, is deemed to have died from it – if he dies – along with pre-existing pathologies.
Aware of this statistical anomaly the Italian Superior Institute for Health has published an analysis based on the medical records of the deceased, that is, those who died from existing causes, to which the coronavirus may have contributed, and those who died from the coronavirus. In this new statistic, the percentage is 0.8%, comparable to the numbers in Germany.
In truth it is difficult to assess how much the coronavirus may have aggravated preexisting causes. An answer could be derived from statistics and records of previous years. At the moment this is an open question.
Based on the above and adding to data available from all other the world, it seems we are dealing with catastrophism without a catastrophe. That is, spreading and sowing terror among the population for what is, in the end, a wave of a particularly severe influenza syndrome – though it does not cause many more deaths than what on average occur during winter – except in some specific area for reasons not entirely well determined.
For example, an endemic presence of meningitis that earlier on prompted intensive vaccinations causes the virus to be more aggressive, as it happened in some limited areas of Northern Italy.
Also, an abnormal mortality index may be due to misdiagnosis or to real sanitary reasons. For example, Iran has a higher mortality, but so it does for influenza (not reported because not newsworthy). Furthermore, among the survivors of the Iraq war there are many old people whose lungs were damaged by the poison gas that the US supplied to Saddam Hussein before killing him.
And now a brief look at the politics of the Coronavirus epidemic. As it is common, politics are based on speculation, imagination and deduction. Logic suggests that politics and individual health are separate domains, but, as we have seen above, the domains are strictly interconnected.
Few, probably, may remember the North American influenza, labeled as swine flu or Mexican, though born in California. There was even a photo of Obama being vaccinated. From what I read, that flu affected and killed about one million people, of which 16,000 in Europe.
With Covid 19, a new element, which we can call cultural, is/was China. This acted as a political amplifier for the geo-political, geo-medical management of the event, quickly exploited by Washington and its European lackeys.
According to this view, China promptly realized that the coronavirus could be used as a gun against her New Silk Road program. Medical or political diseases desperate grown, by desperate measures are relieved or not at all. A possibly improbable medical catastrophe (as per Dr. Wodarg’s report above) could certainly become a probable political catastrophe for the New Silk Road. Which justifies all the measures undertaken by China, so as to turn the threat into a moral victory.
Still, the Chinese scenario cannot explain what happened afterwards in the West, namely the great fear, disproportionate to the gravity of the events, while the governments were initially inactive compared to what China promptly undertook.
Here the theory (or reason), has to do with the opportunity, caught by Western powers, to implement that total control of society not yet completely realized to date. Hence the use of incorrect and fraudulent statistics, so as to create the panic needed to achieve “full spectrum dominance” of the citizenry, to use a turn of phrase dear to the CIA and to the AngloZionist Cabal.
In England – before the Coronavirus became a pandemic, and in the style of the “Yes, Prime Minister” series – they may have thought of setting up an inter-departmental committee, with fairly broad terms of reference, so that at the end of the day they could be in a position to think through the various implications and arrive at a decision based on long term considerations, rather than rush prematurely into precipitate and possibly ill-conceived actions which might well have unforeseen repercussions. But then the speed of the global phenomenon suddenly overtook any plan for dilatory decisions.
Still, for reference, statistics from South Korea, based on mass screening in the most affected area, show numbers 35 times lower than those, for example, in Italy.
Whereas, in Italy, the coronavirus has enabled the survival of a political class largely discredited and enslaved to the European financial cabal. In turn the epidemic has led to a situation of actual collapse – which, in the end, will make of Italy an easier morsel to swallow.
There is an echo, here, of the situation in the USSR, just before the AngloZionists managed to destroy the Soviet Union and privatize (read ‘gobble’) the most profitable Russian enterprises.
And yet perhaps all this would not have been possible were it not for the presence of a diffused sensation of approaching the end of an era, a sensation of bitterness against the neo liberal ideology that has impoverished and deprived of their rights a large mass of people. Add to this a general sense of derangement and alienation feeding an emotional expectation associated with millenarianism.
It happened before in history that some events were metaphors for epochal changes. For example, the fear surrounding the year 1000 was an invention of successive ages. But in effect, around 1000 AD, the medieval world was on the edge of a great transformation.
Neo-millenarians tried something similar with the Y2K scare of the year 2000. The attempt, however, was contrived and artificial, it did not work though many believed it.
Portents and prodigies, cosmic, miraculous, metaphysical expectations have always galvanized people, notably in times of stress. Wonders were willingly told and willing heard.
Around the second century AD the resurrection of the dead was very far from being esteemed an uncommon event. Edward Gibbon relates how a noble Grecian, anxious to convert to Christianity had promised Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch, that if he, the Grecian, could be gratified with the sight of a single person who had been actually raised from the dead, he would immediately embrace the Christian religion. It is somewhat remarkable – Gibbon comments – that the prelate of the first Eastern church, however anxious for the conversion of his friend, thought proper to decline this fair and reasonable challenge.
To return to our times, the sensation or the hope that the coronavirus epidemic may do away with the invisible status-quo clashes with the current reality, where the usual few already salivate at the opportunities offered to vulture capitalists by disaster capitalism.
Furthermore, some oligarchs, pundits and even politicians, living in the tide of pomp that beats upon the high shores of the world, have hinted or openly stated that too many goy live too long, hence acting as a drag on the growth of the oligarchs’ wealth. A proper pandemic could be an intelligent alternative to a third world war while simultaneously hiding the boil that is destroying democracy for the greater glory and power of the financial oligarchy with its house of cards.
In this view wealth is the abstract soul of man, which gives to the wealthiest a kind of rude health – for it’s difficult to imagine death at that income level. Or rather, maybe there is no death as we know it, just documents changing hands. There must be an awareness of prosperity, a security and contentment that the oligarchs’ wealth bring to their soul – a fullness of being unknown to people who need less, expect less, or who plan their lives around lonely walks in the evening.
Against the oligarchs’ lifestyle even the psalm from Genesis, warning man that he is but dust and that to dust he will revert, loses its sting. [Memento homo quia pulvis es et in pulverem reverteris].
Which brings me to some concluding cosmological considerations, only peripherally related to Covid-19.
Many, I should think, have implicitly accepted the “Big Bang” theory about the birth of the Universe. It is understandable, because a Universe that has a beginning is at least half as terrifying than a universe that has no beginning and no end.
But other astrophysicists, for example Freeman Dyson, have proposed an alternative theory, according to which the universe has no beginning and no end. Consequently, he maintained, life brings drama and enthusiasm to a universe that, otherwise, would be deadly dull indeed.
Now, if I compare my (our) biblical essence of dust with Dyson’s idea of an infinitely boring universe, I think that the dusty prospect has more appeal, or at least less unappeal. For if, a few billion years hence, the sun will expand and bring the earth into its womb, my dust too will be part of a star. Which almost adds a romantic tinge to an otherwise helplessly gloomy prospect. For, by my dust belonging to a star, I will become veritable stardust. And so will you.
All amazing mass coincidences aside,
Every single thing which has ever, or will ever, be comes from somewhere.
Often enough, that somewhere can be determined.
Right around the time of the start of the Korean War, Akira Kurosawa rolled out his cinema epic, Rashōmon
Now whether the two were tied together by Kurosawa I can’t say, but surely the world audience linked them up afterward, and understood for once what it — war — was all about: it depends on your point of-view!
Or, the point of view of the programming with which we are programmed. Thanks for the stand-out article, especially after such a dirth. Hats off to Mr Moglia for calling out the emperor’s no-clothes.
Excellent article Jimmy, thank you for it. Calm and balanced. It’s something we need so much right now, in the midst of confusion and hysteria, getting worse and worse.
This is an epidemic – there is a science which deals with this: – epidemiology. It’s behoves us to listen experts like Dr. Wodarg who have NO history of any collusion with the Euro-States politicians and rulers.
It’s a problem with our modern world, I think. Once, when we all handled work – yes, from home – or did local work, nearly everyone lived in a world they understood;, they controlled most of the essentials of their lives, in their villages or small towns of no more than about 300 people. Now, we live in a world few of us understand much of outside our own small circle of influence.
I sit here, typing on this computer – I have no idea what this machine does. Once, I learned to type on a typewriter, which I could see all parts of and had no difficulty understanding. But this computer? It’s a magic black box – how it does what it does I have no clue and if it goes wrong I have no idea why or what you do to fix it apart from screaming for my nearest expert.
Once we lived in a world in which we knew just about everybody who had influence over us, all our neighbours from whom our friends and our world were derived. Now we live in massive sprawling metropolises of millions. In recorded history, never has this happened. We are separate from just about everything and everyone who influences and more and more control, our worlds. And we dont know how to live like this. We have no precedent.
It thus becomes more and more important, I think, to listen to any expert with a proven acceptable provenance**.
We have seen how easily, in this mysterious “brave new world” the mass of people can be driven into terror and irrationality simply from a little “slight of hand” manipulation via the GovProps [ex-newspapers] and from their own terrors of a world they dont know; terrors from being, to quote the poet A.E. Houseman
“I, a stranger and afraid
In a world I never made”.
It does leave us with a paradox, perhaps.
Was it all a massive accident – a case of one careless match leading to a wild fire sweeping the world, for nothing is as contagious as fear and hysteria?.
Or was it a mere local incident, a curiosity, in China, which the malign stupid running the Angle Empire, leaped onto as a “good crises you dont ever want to let go to waste” in order to try and hide from the world the massive economic collapse, mass depression, starvation and death caused wholly and solely by them, their Wall St;, their International Bankers, their Fed most of all??
Or was it some disastrous combination of both?
Either way, the only way to fix it is to listen to expert knowledge, rationality, evidence, prior experience, and then refuse to be locked down and terrified. And to demand the PTB change things, and fast, if they dont want an army of pitchforks and torches at their mansion gates.
For there is something it behoves us to do every now and again – to remind them that are many many more of “us” than there are of “them”. and in the end, we refuse to be the cattle they are trying to groom us to be.
Today China reported it’s 4th day of no new cases. We can use this to determine the trajectory of other cases except those in Italy, as the first in Wuhan were apparently detected December 2019. Thus, about 3+ months.
I would add, for those who might wish to do some research themselves, given that we cannot listen to a single word the GovProps tell us. Go to your local town or borough Funeral Parlour. They keep records.
they have to by law. Ask if they mind letting you see the number; age; of cause of death of all their burials for this 4 months over the last 10 years and those for the last 4 months of this year.
Compare. Unless those for this year are substantially greater than the year with the greatest peak, – there is no pandemic, epidemic or cause for alarm. It’s just another Northern Hemisphere winter!!
** Provenance (from the French provenir, ‘to come from/forth’) is the chronology of the ownership, custody or location of a historical object.[1] The term was originally mostly used in relation to works of art but is now used in similar senses in a wide range of fields, including archaeology, palaeontology, archives, manuscripts, printed books and science and computing.
The primary purpose of tracing the provenance of an object or entity is normally to provide contextual and circumstantial evidence for its original production or discovery, by establishing, as far as practicable, its later history, especially the sequences of its formal ownership, custody and places of storage. The practice has a particular value in helping authenticate objects. Comparative techniques, expert opinions and the results of scientific tests may also be used to these ends, but establishing provenance is essentially a matter of documentation. The term dates to the 1780s in English. Provenance is conceptually comparable to the legal term chain of custody.
Something is missing from this narrative.
1.) China’s “Chicago” was brought to its knees
2.) Iran has been nearly destroyed, a vast plague is hovering over the entire country.
3.) North&Central Italy where the Chinese factory workers worked is under siege. 300k chinese peasants were infected and just disappeared in Jan-2019, before the local Italians started getting infected.
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Why just these three places? This is where it all began, back in Dec-2019 or earlier. Why these places? “Not a big deal”, but like depression, or recession; Its a big deal when your dying, or your in ICU.
The current narrative makes Trump look more rational everyday, how could this be? Logic dictates that given the major first-attack of this virus were on Trump’s “Enemys”, that in fact Trump ordered the viral release.
The fact that there is blow-back is a given ( Meaning USA/UK are getting infected ), the USA has a long history of infecting its own people, and its own troops.
The assumption here is that somehow Italy & Germany are looking at death differently. IMHO this is much like the USA, where they can say “He didn’t die of corona, because they don’t teste”, same for Germany, its easy to say he didn’t die from corona. In Asia they test, and like the commenters say’s corona is probably in all of us a percentage roll of the dice.
I think the reaction of North&Central Italy, is more so because they’re communist in Tuscany and to the north, and in Germany Fascism is more common, or I dare say “National-Socialism” which is just anglo-nazi-zionism. If anything Trump is punishing the North&Central Italy for not being led by the nose by the ZIonists, like they do in Germany.
I have heard mention that Italy’s embrace of the Chinese led BRI contributed to their problems. Apparently, many thousands Chinese people work manufacturing for the Italian fashion industry, and high end retail. Purely so that, on the label it says Made in Italy. I understand that it was this population that were affected first.
the devastation is so great, that every death with positive Covid test is classified as Covid. Covid and cancer? covid. Covid and diabetes? Covid. But people without pre-existing conditions are not dying. If they could only manage to get the whole population infected, then they will, effectively, have cured cancer!
We need to include in the narrative things like- The Event 201 pandemic simulation in October 2019, and simulation Lockstep- see below.
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“a decade-old simulation titled “Lock Step” devised by the Rockefeller Foundation in conjunction with the Global Business Network. The scenario, one of four included in a publication called “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development” in 2010, describes a coronavirus-like pandemic that becomes the trigger for the imposition of police-state controls on movement, economy, and other areas of society.
The Lock Step scenario describes “a world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback.” In “2012” (i.e. two years after the report’s publication), an “extremely virulent and deadly” strain of influenza originating with wild geese brings the world to its knees, infecting 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million people in just seven months – “the majority of them healthy young adults.” It devastates global economies and ruptures international trade. But not everyone, the Rockefeller Foundation makes clear, is hit equally.
video and article at this link.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/all-sectors-us-establishment-lock-step-deep-states-latest-bio-war/5702773?fbclid=IwAR3mbPpEGidRZMyXRDdmGUuKIZRUqBUBUpQixiWd-G8aQq20tHJi8LugHYg
kinterra you made a comment about 5G towers being thrown up around you during the curfew. Can you give any more details on that please?
Some nice words about fear I just came across:
“There is No Illusion Greater than fear” (Lao Tzu, Chinese Philosopher).
Fear is the Absence of Progress.
“There is NO fear in Love. But Perfect Love Drives Out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is Not made Perfect in LOVE.” 1 John 4:18.
Worrying is like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but it doesn’t get you anywhere.
Some sane heads>>
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/
with the best will in the world but I just cannot believe in this corona fake. To me it is a flu just like other flus.
Those who are already suffering from something will be prone to it. The immunity system of people is in bad shape.
But let us not look at all this and to artificial unhealthy lifestyles foods that not only fails to feed us but makes us decrepit. radiation wave bombardments etc etc. moral and spiritual degeneration aimless lifes. If there is a plague that takes over there must be a receptive ready made ground for it. otherwise it would not happen. Our world today is full darkness confusion polluted physically morally spiritually
Be like this flower there on the way side it gives itself without asking anything in return we could learn from this and try to give the best of yourself
and rejoice, there is no other choice anyway
As for cell phs let me tell you my experience. 2 days after my second complicated right eye operation a friend came on visit. At that time another common friend call on him he handed me the cell phone so that I could talk to this common friend As i brought to ph to my right ear I got a such a chock that that my head swung to the side The chock was short but very harsh as if a blade was inserted in my eye and went strait to my brain.
A lot of people have had that experience with cell phones. I haven’t. I get arrhythmias from one in someone’s pocket too close to me–how could I ever put one to my head?
I like Jimmie Moglia’s perspective here. The pandemic looks like it is being created in the minds of 7 billion Chicken Little’s playing with their “smart” phones. I cannot say to what degree the absurd overbuild of radiating technology is promoting the pandemic (if both the social and physical senses are included, quite a bit of I reckon), though it is a possibility people with degrees after their names and reputations to uphold are beginning to point to, and one, given my reaction to it, I am inclined to believe and attempt to warn others. I guess time will tell what all factors play their varying degrees of roles in this oddest of pandemics ever.
Jimmie,
please forget what Dr Wodag says.
Saker has confirmed covid-19 is the real deal:
/saker-message-about-viruses-and-trolls/
So far, I know of no member of our community who would have contracted the SARS-CoV-2 and developed the COVID19 infection. But *A LOT* of our members have been affected by the virus, many are in lockdown at home. This situation also affects to 20 or so key-members of the various Saker blog who are now all living under difficult circumstances.
by that definition Wordag is a troll and by quoting him, so are you.
Forget what even the dreaded BBC says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51491763
“And if the samples are not correctly stored and handled, the test may not work.
There has also been some discussion about whether doctors testing the back of the throat are looking in the wrong place.
A final option is the RT-PCR test for the new coronavirus is based on flawed science.
In order to develop the test, researchers must first pick a section of the virus’s genetic code.
This is known as the primer. It binds with the matching code in the virus and helps bulk it up. Scientists try to pick a region of the virus’s code they do not think will mutate.
But if there is a poor match between the primer and the virus in the patient, then an infected patient could get a negative result.
At this stage, it is impossible to tell exactly what is going on so lessons for other countries are unclear. “
Science is a very nice word, everyone is reassured by it. It is actually a word used to describe the body of output of those pursuing the scientific method of investigation. most people are pretty hazy about what that means, not least the politicians, 99% of whom have no university qualifications in science and have about as much ability to do due diligence on scientists as I would have about verifying the translation of a Russian/Ukrainian to English linguist. Of course, if I could actually do that directly, maybe I would have no need of a translator in the first place?
The scientific method has three key components.
1. Observation: phenomena are observed in the natural world either naturally (using our senses) or through the use of instruments humans have constructed.
2. Hypothesising about why these phenomena exist, came to pass etc. Millennia ago it would have been about why the sun rose and set each day, why certain celestial objects could be seen moving across the night sky etc. Nowadays it may be more about hypothesising that infectious viruses cause novel disease presentations.
3. Attempting to falsify the hypothesis. This is the key thing that most non-scientists do not grasp. Science cannot prove truth, it can only prove falsehood. This phase is about trying to design and execute experiments which will falsify the hypothesis. The more you fail to falsify, the more credibility there is to an argument that the hypothesis is a useful one for practical purposes.
If we look at the CoVid19 outbreak, what was observed was a sudden outbreak of a certain type of symptoms similar but different to the flu, but leading to severe illness and death in some patients. Further observations involved tracking where the patients came from, who they had been in contact with, whether any common threads could be detected. There was also an observation of exponentially growing case numbers, pointing to an infectious agent being present.
An infectious agent was duly isolated and termed SARS-CoV2. Let us be clear, no medic then released that isolated virus into the presence of humans to test the hypothesis that this infectious agent could reproduce the disease profile (that tends to get you struck off medical registers the world over). So formal proof of this being the disease causative agent is actually lacking. But further data gathering on ill patients did show that viral RNA could be detected in large numbers of these patients, which for most non-scientists seems like ‘proof’. It is not, but do not expect the media to change their tune because I say so.
Further testing of the hypothesis would involve:
1. Identification of animal model systems to mimic human symptoms and proof that SARS-CoV2 virus can cause those symptoms to develop.
2. Demonstration that neutralising antibodies to SARS-CoV2 will prevent the virus producing symptoms in experimental animals.
3. Demonstration that vaccination with vaccines designed to prevent SARS-CoV2 action leads to immunity from disease development in animal models.
4. Demonstration that vaccines for humans do the same.
5. Demonstration that humans displaying natural resistance to the virus have an immune system already primed to fight the virus.
What science has not yet demonstrated is that SARS-CoV2 has actually increased the number of annual deaths in 2020 as compared to previous years. It has certainly not demonstrated radical population reductions anywhere.
The reason it has not demonstrated those things is that it would stop billions of dollars worldwide being spent by duped governments paying biotechs, science researchers etc etc to develop all kinds of technology to counteract a virus that has not yet been proven to be a serious threat to human health.
In a world which prioritises real health, not money, all this would be made clear.
In a world where scams are a badge of rank in joining ‘the elite’, that is exactly what happens.
We might like to prioritise science defining true threats to human health to a greater degree than science over-engineering solutions to a relatively trivial problem.
Trivial in global population terms, of course.
Nothing is ever trivial to the families who have lost loved ones.
“We might like to prioritise science defining true threats to human health to a greater degree than science over-engineering solutions to a relatively trivial problem.”
Exactly. I would like to remind of the ‘War on terror’ on which the US spent 4 trillion US$ because terrorists killed 3000 on 9/11 yet hundreds of thousands die of cancer each year in the US but they can’t find or finance a cure.
Or because one fake terrorist tried to smuggle a b0mb in his underwear, now everybody flying gets molested by the TSA or radiation cancer.
This corona bs follows the same pattern.
You cant find a cure when there is no cure, if people understood, or should I say accepted, where most cancers are derived from. They would then know the cure is prevention in the first place rather than taking the compassionate treatment route because of the sensitivity of the acceptance of its derivation.
And its commonly said the terrorist did not win the war, but they sure did at the airport.
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg is a rabid anti-china phobe
Sorry amarynth but I have to disagree with you here. Wodarg may be a China-phobe (I don’t know, I don’t follow German politics much) but as far as I can see, when he’s wearing his doctor’s hat, there’s nothing wrong with what he’s written on Covid-19. He’s provided facts to back up what he says, usually from data provided by government institutes or international research bodies. He and people like Stanford professor John P.A. Ioannidis and a very few others are bravely swimming against the popular current, putting their reputations and careers on the line in order to provide some clarity amidst the gloom. They’re not unbridled optimists or being wilfully blind to a looming catastrophe. Far from it — to my mind they’re just professionals who are looking at the situation and the perceived wisdom through a detached, objective lens.
I’ve not come across anything that even suggests that Wodarg ‘considers that only 2 people in Italy died of Covid-19 and everybody else died of pre-existing conditions.’ Perhaps a link may help?
Interesting Ionnidis article:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
People are not being callous when they say that Covid-19 kills mainly the old and infirm. They’re merely stating a fact, a sad one for sure but just a plain verifiable fact. Here’s a link from the Italian equivalent of the US CDC. We can see the figures for Italy — most deaths in absolute terms — ourselves.
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf
People who report, compile and discuss these mortality figures — yes, whether patients died of or with the virus — are Italian doctors. You can’t seriously think they’ve lost their humanity, not when you see the heroic efforts they’re putting into saving lives in their country.
We need to step back, take a deep breath and re-examine our beliefs about this outbreak. Jimmy has done that — stepping back, I mean –hence his balanced write-up.
BTW, you did a good job with your analysis of this outbreak the other day. I think you should put on your analyst’s hat again.
Cheers.
Thanks Stand Easy. Not to worry, the analyst hat is on and secure :-) and you’ll be surprised at how much of that is integrated here and there.
I hope the rest of the conversation about Wodag answered your statements in some detail – All I can say, is that we have some sharp folks here and I’m thankful for the discussion. And yes of course, stepping back and investigating is absolutely necessary. My task though first is to work with my ‘tribe’, my group to see that they are healthy, good and will come out of this bright eyed and bushy tailed (and probably continue crying for our people and our world).
(The hats comment is funny … Just a piece of sheer frivolity about my ‘hats’.
https://saker.community/2018/05/04/humorous-treatment-of-amarynths-hats/ )
If one has a better theory on any particular subject that explains it better than the current explanation or model then its to be submitted for peer review. Simply asking questions is not enough. This is the problem with the 9/11 crowd for example – no coherent counter theory, just questions.
Abandoning the scientific method would lead to further anti-intellectualism and a plague of ignorance.
Dear Jimmy,
Thank you so much for this beautiful article bringing logic, historical and general perspective, elegance and peace of mind to the currently “isolated & socially distanced” at the right moment.
Жељко из Крајине
If Deep State wants to limit consumption (for whatever reason) now’s the time. A new chance to redistribute the world’s wealth to 1%. But also the chance to see new demagogues and false prophets, and a new chance to see what it looks like living in, what Orwell would call, Animal Farm.
Hi Jimmie
As usual, Your research well done. However you do not provide a platform for further exchange of ideas with you pertaining to certain points you constantly raise in your articles..
As a self declared non Scientist, your approach to the issue of Covid 19 pandemic is surprisingly scientific My wish is that all those who claim to be epidemic ‘expects’ can be made to realize that “Calculus is a good tool, ONLY within limits”. In mechanics it is quite handy tool, but as a psychological construct it is self imposed slavery. It is Sad to see innocent people die for the sake of satisfying the so called “corporate interest” (aka conscience atrophy )
Jika,
Thank you for your comment. I thought that the comments area in The Saker blog is the platform you refer to. I rate it as the closest method to reproduce Plato’s ‘Akademia’ founded around 350 AD near a temple dedicated to Athena, at a place called Akademia.
For what is worth I regret that the spirit of the original ‘Akademia’ has evolved into the current idea of ‘Academia’, meaning an exclusive circle of people with a special licence to think, implicitly denied to, or not recognized in others.
Jimmie
Seeing anybody as the infallable voice of truth of course contradicts the whole idea of science, especially as the logic of science can never arrive at proof. To proove a theory you have to know that you have eliminated all other possible explantions for the evidence and that you have all possible evidence on the matter. There’s two things nobody can know about anything. Don Ferrante was using the scientific method.
Concerning the coronavirus, the Daily Telegraph has published scientific opinion saying ’tis nowt but a flu and pointing out that everybody who dies in Italy with coronavirus in them is loged as having died of coronavirus. Meanwhile the economy has crashed amongst all the other noise and coronavirus is to blame, not the decision makers over the last forty years. I will risk posting two links to discusion about the numbers.
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/
Don Ferrante was not too far from the truth. Astrology was a science using the ‘scientific method’, repeated observations over millennia of confirmed correlations between certain stellar configurations and earthly events. Predictions made on the basis of these observations have a great degree of plausibility (the more that they deal with repetitive cycles). They may be used to create these events or to influence the mass psychology.
Interesting that the Covid outbreak has been ‘predicted’ in at least two popular novels:
The 1981 novel titled ‘The Eyes of Darkness’ by Dean Koontz had “predicted” such an outbreak, calling the virus Wuhan400!
The book “End of Days’ of psychic Sylvia Brown of 2008 it is ‘predicted’ that:
““In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.”
She already made in 2004 the prediction that:
“By 2020 we’ll see more people than ever wearing surgical masks and rubber gloves in public, inspired by an outbreak of a severe pneumonia-like illness that attacks both the lungs and the bronchial tubes and is ruthlessly resistant to treatment. This illness will be particularly baffling in that, after causing a winter of absolute panic, it will seem to vanish completely until ten years later, making both its source and its cure that much more mysterious.”
In the Chinese zodiac, 2020 is the year of the rat. The story goes that before the Lunar Chinese New Year, the rat was overactive and could not wait to replace the pig (the 2019 zodiac sign), and thus, it was always destined to be a bumpy transition. Once the rat takes its spot after spring begins (on March 20), everything will be back to normal.
The London Feng Shi Master & Astrologer Laurent Langlais is even more precise: financial crisis, worldwide recession, world spinning into panic mode toward the coronavirus, the main mean of governing is fear-mongering, hardening of policies all around the world with more authoritarian regimen, and more
@https://www.laurentlanglais.com/chinese-year-of-the-rat-2020/world-predictions-part1
Even more interesting is that in the original 1981 edition of “The Eyes of Darkness,” this biological weapon was called “Gorki-400,” in reference to a Russian locality. The name of the weapon was changed to “Wuhan-400” when the book was released again in 1989!
Forgive me Jimmy, as always I enjoy reading your pieces – really deeply enjoy them.
This time though, although we all will turn to dust, the ones asking for numbers are baying into the wind. How long did it actually take for us to count the dead after the 2ndWW? There still are questions. The questions on 9/11 are continuing to be asked.
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg is a rabid anti-china phobe. I went to look for this on his site this morning, and it has all disappeared, but I have these notions of his immortalized somewhere in one of the Movable Feast Cafes. So, reliable eh? This man considers that only 2 people in Italy died of Covid-19 and everybody else died of pre-existing conditions. Let’s see how he thinks and apologies for the graphic nature of the description.
Imagine, there is war, and there is somebody sitting on the side of that war saying – We’re not counting good enough, our instruments for counting are not good enough – my pencil is blunt. Look at that soldier over there, he has his head shot off, but perhaps he died from that previous wound in his leg – so we count him for the missing head, or for the wound in his leg? And take a look at that dead soldier over there, he has no guts, but perhaps he died of a previously existing condition of hunger. Do we count him as dead from malnutrition, or for having his guts shot out?
Those among us that reason like this, are staring themselves blind in what they do not have, and they do not look at what we actually have. To my mind, both (and more) conditions can exist, and if we do not understand that, that both conditions can exist, we may be just extremely irresponsible in what we say.
The numbers don’t work. We need to accept that they do not work today. If that causes cognitive dissonance, tough. But we have other conditions that we can clearly identify. And that is a worldwide shortage of personal protective equipment for health workers, a worldwide shortage of ventilators, and a patient load all of a sudden needing these things. Science or no science, we need to listen to the conditions that health workers deal with on a daily basis. You see the thinking? I don’t need to make a list. Find what one can find, and detail what one does not have – and with this, question all of that.
Let me give another example. In this fight on China, the story goes that China did not report honestly. The story has gone further, in that actually hundreds of thousands of people died, and China was not honest. The researchers base this on various things, one being that “China’s telecom companies have lost 21 million users after the Coronavirus outbreak. This revelation has lead to a claim – China is downplaying its number of victims”
So, if this is right, then the issue becomes strangely more true for those that think there is a real virus out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=93&v=0VEcyEhrtgI&feature=emb_logo
And then, of course Jimmy, your reasoning here becomes deprecated very fast.
Are folks beginning to understand that we do not have numbers, and because of the political and economic faces and facets of this ‘virus’, everybody may be telling fibs? Tell me if you think any government in the world is going to be honest and say the level of infection in their forces? Of course not.
One does not need to be all in cahoots with the overlords, to get a best true picture of what exists. One does not need to be seen as compliant to the overlords by personally protecting, like self-quarantine, or like keeping cash money on hand, or like, stocking up somewhat on groceries. In my daily life I now see that hardship of those that did not do those simple things, and preferred to walk on by, saying Tra La La, nothing is happening here – the overlords are deceiving us once again. But in my world I also speak to specifically nurses on the ‘front lines’, and they are not all lying to me.
Then, we are still in a raging economic war, which will most probably lead to governments toppling, people dying of those circumstances, and ordinary non-evil consumer goods just not available. Don’t know about you all, but I need a couple of those, to do my work and to support those that I am responsible for.
Instead of jumping on one horse here, we as humanity need to understand that there is more than one horse – it is our time of learning what is happening, and it will take a long long time. Every analyst of note, and of every stripe that I know, understand that in our world, this is a seminal event – and we cannot yet see through the mists to clear reality.
To me, a prudent approach would be to protect ourselves against our governments, our overlords and to have clear conversation with our loved ones as to how to do that. And if we have to take an action that perhaps is within the actions that the overlords support, like quarantine, let us do that on our own volition, and remain skeptical and deeply resistant to empire.
Each time I hear the virus and body counters say something like .. it is just the oldies, they’re gonna die anyways, or not to worry, it is just culling the herd, my deep soul revolts against the terrible inhumanity of this approach. Like “where is the love” eh?
Once we lose our humanity, once we lose a deep connection with what it is to be human, even as far as what God created us to be, we have lost.
See ya at stardust.
“Like “where is the love” eh?”
Yea. Where is your love for all the suicides that will come out of desperation & depression stemming from the ecomic collspse caused by this fake pandemic? Where is your love for all the kids who aren’t allowed to play with their peers? Where is your love for the old people, who must spend their last days in confinement and not enjoy the spring sun and fresh air? Where is your love for freedom? …
Great comment Amarynth.
The numbers don’t work because they are compiled by different countries with different ways of reporting fatalities. There also appear to be two different strains with different mortality rates (Italy and Wuhan).
Right now the narrative seems to be that “pre-existing conditions” not the virus itself is a cause of death. Are insurance companies already looking for a cop out? So what is a “pre-existing condition”? Asthma? 5G? Smoking ? Breathing in dust? I am sure that during the 1918 epidemic all those young soldiers also had “pre-existing conditions” as they were exhausted, malnourished and had their lungs exposed to chemical warfare…
The pre existing conditions of dead#2 (out of 3) in your Serbia was that the person was a 92 year old woman!
92 years old!
Let that sink in. You and 7 million other ppl are imprisoned because one 92 year old died!
RATM,
Serbia is in lockdown because our country is taking direct advice from the Chinese, who have real-life experience fighting this virus and who have sent us masks, medications and are helping us add hospital capacity.
Advice from China seems far more credible to me right now than some doctor (Wodarg) who is spouting highly theoretical information, and presenting as fact based a hypothetical best- case scenario from an academic (Ionnidis) using very patchy info!
The question isn’t how many people have died. The question is how many more would have died if the measures were not in place.
Btw, regarding your previous question to me, on another thread, the first patient in Serbia was a guy from Subotica near Hungarian border. The second patient was Chinese.
Serbian Girl
Well said!!!
I’ve had some rumblings about quoting what I said in my comment. Sure, I was not very good at that.
Scroll down here on the two deaths in Italy (now a little dated)
https://www.wodarg.com/fragen-und-antworten-zu-corona-virus-covid-19/
Here is what I posted in an earlier cafe based on much translating from the Wodarg site – German to English.
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-03-19/#comment-777252
Wodarg sure sounds so innocent on his videos but he is sure China has ‘staged an epidemic’.
Perhaps also needed is a refinement – I have no problem with anyone asking questions. I have a problem with anyone coming to conclusion on the very limited data (and used to bamboozle most of us). Consider that there are questions, I can give you probably 30 before scratching my head. Consider that we have no answers. Mostly in my life, I had to make decisions on limited data. This is what we have here. Nobody is going to stop this train and fill out the data. That will come in the end analysis (if we have one).
I think Serbian Girl is wise with her comment.
@amarynth
You say above “Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg is a rabid anti-china phobe. I went to look for this on his site this morning, and it has all disappeared,”
I dont want to argue with you amarynth, but that statement alone pretty much invalidates your comment, because it is a logical fallacy. It’s what is known as ad hominen or attacking the man, not the argument.
The rest of your comments are what is called a “Straw man” which is, I’m afraid, also a logical fallacy. That is that you are countering his scientific arguments with things not relevant and open to further distracting discussion rather than address his actual comments.
All that one should do is counter Dr. Wodargs science: that the number of deaths attributable solely to the CoV-19 virus should be known, and the testing means used to determine must also be known. [So far, it is not.] and also that this virus, on the evidence available so far, does not cause any worse a health condition than all the other common cold virus cause at this time of the year in the Northern Hemisphere.
: He also states that the deaths of the relevant age and health group can be reliably demonstrated to be due solely to this virus has been unarguably demonstrated. It has not.
: that testing method has been revealed, and it’s false positives and false negatives need to be known. They are so far not, and the method of testing is not known.
: That the demographic of test subjects has been made clear. It so far has not.
: That the social attributes to the deaths has been examined extensively – so far they have not.
As he says, until you can say those things, we dont know [a] if this particular virus is even causative over the usual Corona viruses [b] we dont know if the death rate is higher than normal for this time period over the Northern Hemisphere. We have to know this.
He – and other specialists – have pointed that, with the data we have so far, there is NO indication that this situation is any different in any way to normal winter season death rates and that thus the behaviour being enacted by Governments is aberrant and irrational and will lead to horrible effects on the mass of people.
It is, of course acceptable, to argue these, but not his supposed emotional state about China.
I would add, I have searched about him on the Internet, I did find this on Wikipaedia:
While he was chair of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe Health Committee Wodarg co-signed a proposed resolution on December 18, 2009, which was briefly discussed in January 2010 in an emergency debate and he has called for an inquiry into alleged undue influence exerted by pharmaceutical companies on the World Health Organization’s global H1N1 flu campaign
I think this latter is critical knowledge of his provenance: it shows where his vision lies, for we all know about the criminal nature of “Big Pharma”, and we also know what they do to shut people up who try to highlight their improper behaviours. Calling him names would be one way. I have to add, I found nothing that betrays any sort of racist anti-Chinese mental state. Not saying it’s not so – but as i say, it is in any case irrelevant to the scientific arguments.
Finally, after your comment that he had removed his address from his site, I can only say, I just went to it an hour ago, and everything I saw there over a week ago, is still there.
However, I would suggest interested persons go again, and scroll down to the last video on the page.
It is not of an interview with Dr. Wodarg, but another infectious disease specialist, [ Dr. Sucharet Bhakdit; ?spelling] who gives superb answers to questions about the situation, but using a whiteboard and few clear numbers demonstrates the argument.
If you want to understand exactly why the figures matter, why knowing the numbers is crucial, I cant do more than to advise a visit. It’s only 10 minutes but it puts it all in a nutshell.
I know this is not easy for people. If it’s not your field, if you never knew anything about epidemiology, infection disease, virology, it’s hard to grasp. I’d feel the same if someone tried to go into detail with me about why my software is playing up.
But to form an opinion and realise what is being done to us all, it’s necessary to do it. And this little video makes it crystal clear.
https://www.wodarg.com
OK, I’ve already responded to this line of thinking here: /science-and-fiction/#comment-779696
I cannot address his comments, as they are questionable and disregard the information from China.
Just a note … nobody knows what another persons experience level is here. So, to say a specific field is ‘hard to understand’ is in my view not accurate and is working hard ‘not to talk down’ to others.
Finally, I am not a victim and nobody is doing anything ‘to me’ that I don’t choose. If people are still singing that song they have not had the guns pointed to them. The nanny state has clearly lost their marbles and if anyone still wants to fight the nanny state, well, I would suggest you do not know where the warring factions are positioned today.
Protect yourselves against a viral infection, work with your loved ones, call the oldies that may be feeling lonely. Let’s not kill them off – they have a wealth of information to anyone patient enough to sit with them. I still have 3 books of recipes of the old days from a World made by Hand to collect. Be of worth to your fellow man. Freedom is just that, no matter the situation, be of worth. Dazzled by one’s own knowledge and calling that wisdom, the certainty that one is right always, is a difficult thing to overcome. Let’s not fall into that trap.
RE: Amarynth: …”we cannot see through the mists to a clear reality..” Agreed, For those who understand both the essential nebulousness of reality as well as the metaphors astrology offers, this is a Neptune-run event. The test of Neptune is Love– higher love. We are all being tested on this planet… And what is indicated to me is that it has to do with recognizing the spiritual nature of physical matter and our interconnectedness with it. All of us…The Unity. The virus is not “bad” …it is just doing its “thing” even if it might be engineered by
evil people. If it were engineered by evil people then it can be reversed engineered by good people. Why do you think Putin keeps telling the young people of Russia that their math, computer and science skills will make for the future of everyone they love? And the Archbishop Kirill advised everyone to be respectful of the virus and do due diligence of taking precautions.
I live next door to an ICU nurse and in addition to my having worked on the front lines of the AIDS epidemic at a downtown LA Hospital, White Memorial, in the 1970s and 80’s I have practical parameters of experience. We just see it differently– this looks different, it walks different i.e.it seems to grow to critical mass all at once which regular flu does not. Sure, there is the usual hospital rush during peak season but the deaths dribble through over a 5-6 month period. And the young adults 20-40years old do not get as drastically ill as is now manifesting. It is almost as if this virus has a script ( a mind of its own) that it is playing out with an unusually loooooong symptomless incubation/ infection period (technically those two are different) and then Wham! it hits ’em with a load of bricks. I do not think that the Chinese virologists had to scare the leadership into over reaction any more than the Russian pulmonologists/immunologists had to impress V Putin into hasty action either. Having someone fall over on the street dead and bleeding from the mouth and saying, well, that was due to air pollution etc. etc. just is not the whole truth. So why is everyone seizing the proverbial leg of the elephant and claiming that this is the Totality? What about the change in dynamic between in vitro and in vivo?
Now after the shut down, if it works to save lives, the statisticians will crow and point and say, “See—we were right, nothing to see here.” The what if? can never be verified. What if? the Chinese had not closed down their society, risking financial ruin, ???? That question can never be answered because we live in a reality of duality, contradiction, paradox.and TIME. Clinging to statistics and sideline anecdotes ( amusing, yes) of clueless Renaissance philosophers really does not work for me. But to each his own.
Since we are run by the scientific method administered by a technocratic elite, plus academics need to make a living, too, I do hope we have some world wide assessments which will be agued over until Kingdom Come….and perhaps some agreed upon medical changes will emerge forth that do not oppress the human spirit too much. sigh. One can hope.
amarynth
So the “variant of the common cold” brigade persists.
Indeed it remains on a massive recruitment drive gathering up all manner of anonymous commenters, trolls and supercilious self-appointed experts who persist in cherry-picking and blatantly misrepresenting the facts. I do admire your seemingly unlimited restraint and patience in dealing with what I view as little more than farcical cognitive dissonance.
I await their spin and yet another non-sensical explanation when, within the next few days, the US health system becomes completely overwhelmed and the death rate spikes mercilessly. This is utterly predictable and will result not only from CV-19, but from all the other routine health challenges that the system is normally able to cope with. This is a train wreck just waiting to unfold whilst this group seemingly just cheers it on.
By the way, Trump belonged to this camp too, along with many other people in high places and the head in the sand strategy has been parroted globally. I have said it before and I will say it again…this irresponsible approach will cause massive otherwise avoidable deaths and suffering. This is not just irresponsible it is ghoulish.
YCHMTSU
Col
So the “variant of the common cold” brigade persists.
Yes that is what I basically believe, I do note that the ‘Media’ is the great promoter of panic, so panic is what the controllers of Media want, why? What and whose agenda does Panic enable?
We are told endlessly by the owners of the ‘Media’ that there are too many people in the World, yet now, suddenly they are concerned about the death of ‘some’ inevitable deaths in numbers that are lost in the statistics for the average of deaths World wide,
“By the way, Trump belonged to this camp too, along with many other people in high places and the head in the sand strategy has been parroted globally.”
I believe many things are done without informing President Trump, He gets a lot of his information from the headlines in print and on television, just like you and I do. He may sit in the chair marked President but the one who sits in the Directors Chair controls the script!
@amarynth
Sorry but you can’t just say “I cannot address his comments, as they are questionable”. Why are they? Which ones and which science, maths do they fail in order to be questionable.
You see, that’s the problem. IN science you must be precise, you can’t just throw out a generalised personal impression.
There is a reason, in that I am not going to take your assertion of questionableness without substantiation.
For example, I used to converse with a man who would frequently throw out such in a question of Vladimir Putin’s trustworthiness, or goodness. I kept pressing to explain why he would say “he has acted badly” or his “his morality is dubious”.
On what basis did he say this?, I demanded. His response was “as a Christian I can never accept that he divorced his wife”.
Well, for a number of reasons I dismissed that as having any meaning, which gave me a judgement on his remarks.
So far I haven’t seen anything dubious, which doesn’t mean I am saying there is nothing, just that I have not seen it.
Pamela
You said…”You see, that’s the problem. IN science you must be precise, you can’t just throw out a generalised personal impression.
There is a reason, in that I am not going to take your assertion of questionableness without substantiation.”
unquote
Slight problem here though…this is precisely what you have done on multiple occasions eg…
/science-and-fiction/#comment-779810
On that occasion you said…
“As to Italy having a good health system – that is not the report I have received from those who have used it. My daughter holidayed there a couple of years back – her stepson broke his arm. her report was horrendous. They had to take in food as it was not provided; they needed to change and wash the sheets; the doctors took forever to set the kids arm. They ended up cutting short their holiday to return to Holland. So, when i read of the mess Italy is in, I wasn’t surprised.”
My response to you was in this post…https://thesaker.is/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-03-12/#comment-772901
I said and I quote…
“An arbitrary anecdotal judgment of Italy’s health care system may not be of much scientific weight against this study which paints a very different picture in world health care rankings. Italy is actually ranked 2nd in the world behind France at #1”
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/
In short, what you have accused amarynth of is precisely what you yourself practice regularly.
Pamela, how can you use just half a quote in a relatively short sentence? I cannot for the life of me think why .. I wrote a whole sentence last I checked. This was it, with the precise information that you omitted, and subsequently asked for, in bold… “I cannot address his comments, as they are questionable and disregard the information from China.”
But, let me restate in precise terms. His comments are questionable as he disregards any pertinent information from China, which at the moment, given that all data at this stage may be very questionable, is still the biggest portion of the data pool available for analysis. He is of the opinion that China “… alarmed its people and the world just for two months in Wuhan and staged how to detect and fight an epidemic.
Therefore he disregards/rejects any and all pertinent (or not) information from China because he considers that China staged their experience. So I do him the favor and disregard his data equally because he just dumped the largest portion of the data pool. In clear and precise terms, in statistical analysis, that sucks!
Hello Amarynth,
Thank you for your comment. I am no authority on the authority of Dr. Wodarg. My (however tentative) perception is that the ‘plot’ (for lack of a better word), involved a group of virologists whose words count and whose conclusions appeared premature, according to the video. Meaning that whatever test for the coronavirus they designed it was not verified or validated properly.
If updated information disproves my perception, I will gladly admit that I didn’t know better.
And certainly my (however incorrect) perception does not void the validity, the advisability and the necessity of protection.
As for the ‘stardust’ I wish you with all my heart the remotest possible distance in time from that transformation.
Jimmie
Its all good Jimmy. I can now write on my list of accomplishments that I once dared to critique the thoughts of the great Jimmy Moglia (smiles). What will we say and what will we have discovered a year from now? As now it is certainly the times of seeing through a glass, darkly.
Cheers and the best to you and yours.
@Jimmie Moglia
“Hence the use of incorrect and fraudulent statistics, so as to create the panic needed to achieve “full spectrum dominance” of the citizenry, to use a turn of phrase dear to the CIA and to the AngloZionist Cabal”.
I first became aware of the tactic implied in the qoute above during the AIDS pandemic. What really got my attention was the arrogant disregard of scientific process by the so called “authority”. Substitute AIDS for Covid 19 and run the script you get what the world is currently experiencing. Jimmie’s research is an estimation to the nature of the script. Well done Sir. The challenge is how to dismantle the script. There are two obstacles involved here; (I) Fear of death (hence panic)& (ii) The culture of Every man for himself. The AngloZionist Cabal” is aware of this weakness and have developed various methods over centuries of inflicting maximum damage to the “willing host”. This was clearly demonstrated with AIDS.(South Africa was the epicenter & particular attention has to be directed at how local resistance was crushed and what new technologies & terminologies emerged)
Jimmie, once again an excellent article. Regarding your comment about the eloquence of Italian language as opposed to English. I am in process of reading a book which touching on the language subject. Author mentions professor at one of the Universities in California, who is tasked with collecting words in Greek, Latin (Italian) and English languages. Anyway, she managed to collect 12mln Latin words as opposed to 450,000 English out of which 250,000 are technical terms.
As for the scientists, as you said it, they say what suits them at the time. Galileo, Copernicus and Newton are excellent examples. Let me losely quote Newton “we are walking on the backs of greats before us” he meant the people from thousands of years ago.
The legacy of corona will be the vested influence to both increase panic but even more anti-Chinese racial prejudices in the name of dying Empire. It didn’t take long to have both Breitbart and “democratic globalist” in same bed.
So what will public learn? Nothing. This pandemic wasn’t horrific enough. This week is revealing first signs that “we will continue as nothing happened”.
Jimmie Moglia, Sir –
rally nice article of yours. You touched upon cosmology – which is my layman´s interest also. I read Oscar Wilde and he has a beautiful insight which I am quoting from memory, so it may not be verbatim:
“the separation of matter and spirit was a mystery, and the fusion of matter and spirit is a mystery also”.
The artificial intelligence, – “my foot” – as the young generation likes to say…
For those who would like to see another source of scientific concern about the gross misunderstanding of the Corona Virus , this gentle, softly man could help.
His name is Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi. He speaks German, but there are subtitles.
He is clear, and understandable. This is a short video, and wont take more than a few minutes of our time, but is well worth the watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MARVdS-pHdQ&feature=emb_rel_end
Pamela,
I took a look at Wodarg website. He quotes and borrows extensively from the thesis by university Prof. John Ionnidis. Here is a convincing counter-argument to Ioannidis (and Wodarg) thesis.
https://www.researchers.one/article/2020-03-10
Just to summarise: Prof. Ioannidis accepts there is a lack of data. He presents his hypotheses in the form of scenarios. His best case scenario is a fatality of 0.05% I.e. lower than the normal flu. His worst case scenario, however, is 60% of the global population with 1% fatality. Basically 40 M dead. This is par with the global flu pandemic of 1918.
What Wodarg appears to have done is presented the only best-case scenario as somehow factual. But if it’s the worst-case scenario that plays out ?
By the way, I read a previous comment of yours regarding Black Swans and wondered if you had been reading Naseem Nicholas Taleb (Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness). Here is what Taleb had to say about Ioannidis thesis on his Twitter feed: ” Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”
The researchere.one article states:
“The virus would continue to spread indefinitely, infecting tens or hundreds of thousands, further overwhelming the healthcare system, leadingto unnecessary deaths and total disaster.”
There was no vaccine for Spanish flu (1918/19 until the 1940’s. Why should covid-19 spread indefinitely?
The fuller version of what Ioannis said is here https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
“In the most pessimistic scenario, which I do not espouse, if the new coronavirus infects 60% of the global population and 1% of the infected people die, that will translate into more than 40 million deaths globally, matching the 1918 influenza pandemic.
The vast majority of this hecatomb would be people with limited life expectancies. That’s in contrast to 1918, when many young people died.
One can only hope that, much like in 1918, life will continue. Conversely, with lockdowns of months, if not years, life largely stops, short-term and long-term consequences are entirely unknown, and billions, not just millions, of lives may be eventually at stake.
If we decide to jump off the cliff, we need some data to inform us about the rationale of such an action and the chances of landing somewhere safe.”
Sorry Serbian Girl, i have no idea what your last statement is about.
I have stated myself, over and over down the years that “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” however, in science it IS absence of any proof.
For example we have no evidence that ghosts exist. However that cannot be said to be evidence that they dont. Maybe we just haven’t haven’t found the evidence. On the other had, we cannot say “we have no evidence that ghosts exist [ as is claimed], but we can claim on some reports in Main stream media that 2 people last week saw one, that they do. Which is what the current hysteria is all about.
You cannot, also, say ‘there is no evidence that this virus is causing this disease, but, given that there is hysteria in the Daily Mail because they heard that 2 people died, that it probably is”.
Lines up with “highly likely” as evidence of guilt in Law.
This event is NOT a “Black Swan”. A Black Swan is an event which couldn’t have been foreseen given the current state of knowledge or of information around at the time. The shooting of the Archduke of Austro-Hungary and his wife was a Black Swan.
That we were going to have a winter of “coughs colds and influenza” is wholly predictable, given that we get them every year.
However, do go to Dr. Wodargs site again and this time listen to the interview given by an Infectious Disease specialist there, Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi. Then, please do come back and argue HIS facts and science with me.
Oh, and prepared to be shocked.
You see, I used to be a nurse. I was mostly in forward and critical care in hospital wards, but from time to time I did some Nursing Home work, and Aged Care Dept stuff.
One thing the public at large does’t realise is how many people die everyday. Because most only see what goes on around them, they note maybe “Fred’s Grandmother died” and brush it off. After all, after a while, ti’s what everyone’s Grandmother does.
Just think Serbian Girl, – we used to live in scattered villages and small towns. We knew everybody. There were not that many really aged infirm, as many died young – in infancy to start with, In fact, the highest death rates were among the young,; babies, children and women in labour, with men labourers dying of injuries.
We still tend to think of death as a small numbers event.
But now we live in cities of millions, and we dont know any of them. And in those millions are millions of aged most of whom, in these days of pollution of air and food, in bad health. Well we got rid of Natures way of culling the aged by inventing Antibiotics, surgery, good midwifery, plenty of food and housing, hospitals. And we thought that meant we could all live forever. But what we did was just provide a really good smorgasbord for another parasite and predatory just waiting – viral infections.
Now a virus gets into a nursing home, or a civilisation with lots and lots of unhealthy aged, and it’s whoopee time.
But even without that, the death rate among those unseen, unthought about old people in our uncaring society , is high in numbers alone.
As the good Doctor says, in Germany alone, every single day of the year, each day, 2,200 people die. Just think of that. Most of those are old and infirm. Does that shock you? How many more have died due to this virus?? Well you see, we just dont know.
Go see what Dr Bahkdi says.
Pamela, excellent points. Just today we talked with my wife, who discussed the subject of mysterious colds that some people she knows experienced since last summer. One fellow in his mid forties, had recurring and and nasty colds (sore throat, coughs, fever occasionally) Others had similar symptoms last fall, till about Christmas.
Everyone treated those cases as regular cold/flu. And now they conclude that what they had was nothing else but corona, only without associated hysteria.
Going back to Spanish flu, I happened to mention this case in another comment, but now I’ll elaborate some more. One sister came down with the flu, another looked after her. Sick sister recovered, and the one who looked after her died of that flu. Religious people would say: “whatever is written in the book, therefore they’ll say she was not meant to die”.
Interesting video regarding possible origins and the timing of the corona:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6zm6zgah0&feature=youtu.be&t=2
“However, do go to Dr. Wodargs site again ..”
Apart from the Wodarg website do you actually have anything else? Because all your information seems to come from there.
Why would you prefer to believe a theoretical, hypothetical, extrapolated theory based on insufficient data and ignore the real life experience (quarantine, lockdown, masks) of China and S.Korea who have been front-line in fighting this virus?
By the way, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” is a direct quote by Naseem Nicholas Taleb. You’re always referring to Black Swans so I assumed you read the book.
Serbian Girl
It is more than clear exactly what your post is about…other than to anyone who suffers from a bad case of supercilious cognitive dissonance. Please don’t be intimidated by this aggression and intellectual snobbery.
Stay safe!
Col
@Jimmy Moglia
A small correction:
Richard Burton, in his massive but extremely amusing “Anatomy of Melancholy”
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The name of the author is Robert Burton.
From our good friend Prof. Chossudovsky, and Global Research, a compendium of different scientist giving their take on the the hurricane currently swirling around the world.
It does include the video of Dr. Bahdki interview.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/12-experts-questioning-coronavirus-panic/5707532
The 19th century novel is “I promessi sposi” by Alessandro Manzoni – 1827 (in English ‘The Bethroted’).
The action happened in Lombardy in time of wars and plague. The ‘promessi sposi’ Renzo and Lucia are separated on the eve of their marriage. After many adventures and after both Renzo and Lucia recuperate from the plague which affected them both, they are finally married and start their new life at… Bergamo.
Manzoni was a profound Catholic.
Congrats Jimmie, you’ve got more than the usual 25 readers LOL.
The anecdote about Don Ferrante illustrates well the problem of Scientism and it’s relation to science. Scientism is not science and science is not Scientism.
Science has done some wonderful stuff and its ‘progeny’, technology is more ubiquitous than ever. The danger, of course, is that many of us end up thinking that technology — which comes replete with its share of ethical and social dilemmas — is the only solution for human problems.
But this is a digression. What I really want to talk about is the testimony of experts (particularly science experts).
It looks like as the world gets — it seems to me — more complicated, we get more dependent on experts to help us make correct decisions. More and more experts appear in public life no matter where we are and make judgements that affect our lives, for better or for worse. We trust the epistemic authority of these experts and the judgements they make. IOW we trust that they know their stuff and we trust that they make the right calls.
I think in any scientific inqury (global warming, Covid-19, etc) there’s a certain amount of uncertainty present. Now, I’m no philosopher but I do know (I think) one or two philosophical problems, one of which is Hume’s problem of induction which adds to the inherent uncertainty. How do we draw a sound or strong conclusion from limited observations and be ‘certain’ that the conclusion is correct? Vexing question but we do it all the time in our daily lives with no apparent ill effect. For simple questions we do it ourselves but for bigger questions we depend on experts.
Which brings us to the pronouncements (judgements) made by experts, committee of experts, or indeed roundtables of experts on a scientific matter such as the outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 worldwide.
The uncertainty is not stated explicitly but addressed by their employment of words such as ‘possibly’, ‘probably’, ‘most likely’, etc. So far so good.
Of greater import is how ‘pure’, scientifically speaking, are their judgements? Are they value free ie free from outside pressures (social, economical, political) as scientific judgements should be or are they in fact influenced by these pressures, knowingly or not? Here I think everyone’s on his own but a good guide — widely employed by spies, I believe, well, at least according to John le Carre — would be to look at the message and the messenger, appeals against ad-hominems notwithstanding. And then make our own judgement.
Some answer, maybe:
Mortality monitoring in Europe
Over the past few days, the EuroMOMO hub has received many questions about the weekly all-cause mortality data and the possible contribution of any COVID-19 related mortality. Some wonder why no increased mortality is observed in the reported mortality figures for the COVID-19 affected countries.
http://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
For those into the numbers, I think that Chris Martenson is making a very good case of what the situation is here. It is long, 45 minutes, but this is not a short issue to try to understand.
The header I think says it all. Listening To (And Rebutting) The Critics. He is reasonable, and approaches this intelligently. He goes into the John Ionnidis statement in quite some detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XPiHx8RgBM
Pamela,
“A Black Swan is an event which couldn’t have been foreseen given the current state of knowledge or of information around at the time. The shooting of the Archduke of Austro-Hungary and his wife was a Black Swan.”
This is not a good example of Black Swan event. Austro-Hungarians started anti-Serbian media campaign twenty years before the war. They prepared for the war in advance. They planned to attack Serbia. They had fixation on Serbia as the country that could grow and endanger their monopoly over Balkans affairs. Serbia was in the way. The real Black Swan event was Austro-Hungarian greed, the need to dominate and exploit small countries. That was the real cause of War. Of course, they did not know that the war will become The World war. That was their miscalculation.
There is interesting book in English by the late Prof. Andrej Mitrović. (I was surprised to see that there is English translation) Serbia’s Great War, 1914-1918 (Purdue University Press)
Well, I do disagree with you, because you are taking a general look rather the specific tiny incidents which were causative.
You are looking at the environment in which the shooting took place. However, that environment didn’t cause the deaths.
Go read again the details of the assassination, you will recall the number of mistakes, the fact that communication failed due to one member of the chain of command being taken to hospital, that a wrong turn was made by mistake, that this caused a the car carrying the Archduke to brake and stop, – a total no-no in any security as is well known, and was the major give away in the car assassination of JKF – and the unpredictable stopping in the vicinity of one of the killers.
Not one of this series of mishaps which were all spur of the moment and due to an unforeseeable event could have been predicted and avoided.
Thus, it is a Black Swan.
Ivan
I agree with you…but some arguments are indeed futile…some people as the old saying goes manage to get off on “arguing black is white”…perhaps this is one of those instances.
Regards
Col
But I am absolutely not a supercilious scientist so by definition I don’t have the faintest clue what a “Black Swan” is anyway…we will both just have to STFU and take their word for it…and save valuable keyboard time!
YCHMTSU
Col
Dear Jimmy, time and time again you take us to a wonderful halls of your mind and for that i offer you gratitude. Your writing here reminded me of something which clicked in me recently so i decided to share it with you and ask to be forgiven if it sounds like rambling because i have not formulated and researched it well enough but i am compelled to share it with you and others here.
“Conspiracy Theory is a kind of post-theological term defining heresy against the official political doctrine – a doctrine that is itself a totally artificial construct. In fact the new anti-conspiracy centers, based on the censure of alleged “fake news”, are actually preparing the Revolution of Silence. They are disguised tribunals of inquisition, indicting those who give a different interpretation to the daily scriptures.”
Cult of reason which appeared during the French Revolution is the thing that sprang to my mind when i read these words. Control over education for a 1000 years, more or less, was held by the Catholic church in Europe. French Revolution ended the sole control of narrative thru unqestioned authority. Process of taking control of education from Vatican began. Whoever took control of educational systems is even worse. And yes, they are using inquisition methods plus shaming and shouting down opponents,plus outright lies in your face and many others which decent human being would find shameful. Needles to say that such behavoiur is so removed from reason and require cultlike method of brainwashing and exploits the power of belief, which they at the same time deny it exists. Method that is widespread now.
Take care and continue your fight.
Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew? Job 38:28
The answer doesn’t lie in dust Mr. Moglia but in the words We Ned To Be Hydrated.
That the Bible has a huge amount to say on the subject and we were even promised get this!!!!!! A fountain of youth that is free access to the river of life!!!
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life. Rev. 22:17
So imagine Jesus a two- thousand year old thirty three year old?
Yep, the apostles knew the secret didn’t they and why they laid down their lives so easily. Jesus was alive and because He lives we will live also with Him. That’s the secret, not becoming a piece of dust.
And O for any who still hold to the foolish belief that faith is blind because God can’t be observed to exist that has proven once and for all to be bulldung of the highest order. I should know I wrote the only book on the subject Climate Change the Work of God proving finally what was written way back in the 6th Century BC.
See, the storm of the Lord
will burst out in wrath,
a whirlwind swirling down
on the heads of the wicked.
The anger of the Lord will not turn back
until he fully accomplishes
the purposes of his heart.
In days to come
you will understand it clearly. Jeremiah 23:19-20
Why though did it have to take 2500 years to ‘understand it clearly?’
That’s surely one for the history books! And who’s going to write it lol?
Completely shoved under the radar is the ominous fact that all Churches have been closed, all religious gatherings banned. And that on the eve of the major feast of Christianity Pascha. The Church of the Holy Sepulcher will certainly be closed for the ceremony of the Holy Light.
Past attempts to destroy the Church of the Holy Sepulcher have been duly related to the impending ‘End of the World’.
What can we make of the following?:
“We are praying and hoping that the Messiah will arrive before Passover, the time of our redemption. I am sure that the Messiah will come and bring us out as [God] brought us out of Egypt. Soon we will go out in freedom and the Messiah will come and redeem us from all the troubles of the world.”
This remark was made by Health Minister Yaakov Litzman last week, after Yaniv Kalif of the Hebrew-language news website Hamal asked him whether Israelis will be forced to remain under lockdown until the holiday, which begins April 8. Litzman’s ignorant answer was not met with uproar”
@https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-coronavirus-health-cure-1.8703719.
@ Anonymous
What can we make of the following?:
I got to say for me its not the Jews crying for their Messiah but this rather unbelievable state of affairs within the Christian Church? Is this a joke? PhD’s knowing nothing about the actual teachings of the bible?
https://cornwallalliance.org/about/who-we-are/
This has me reeling in disbelief it really has. LOL the egg on these people faces will truly be spectacular!!!!!!!!
By the way I just have to comment about this:
“It is somewhat remarkable – Gibbon comments – that the prelate of the first Eastern church, however anxious for the conversion of his friend, thought proper to decline this fair and reasonable challenge.”
If this was asked of me the answer would be quite simple as in well my dear Grecian friend the secret to prayer is tenacity. The early apostles never gave up and one will never get anything from God unless one pursues Him! Our Lord and Savior was quite adamant in the story of the Persistent widow how God deals with the human race. Note well the words:
Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’
4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”
6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” Luke 18
Tenacity, Grecian, tenacity, and in other scriptures my dear Grecian friend their is talk about the desire of the heart, one needs to desire spiritual gifts that is where it begins. Again God must be pursued and what do you think from God’s perspective knowing that He is the greatest reward for mankind and yet man pays him a pittance of respect. Why would God look upon you and give you a miracle of such glory. He doesn’t sit at your feet we sit at His!
Further consider He sees how hard we work and fight for money, for schooling, for recognition, our place in society and all the rubbish really of this life and we pay Him what a mere pittance of our time and effort and you want to see the raising of the dead which is a simple thing really. Too many are the testimonies of those who went before including our own Lord and Savior and you Grecian have the gall to stand there and demand of me and of God the seeing of such for your obedience or rather enjoyment?
Grecian!!! — Hebrews 11:6 — Grecian, so get to work:
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
So yes indeed Mr. Moglia “a fair and reasonable challenge.”
And O if prayer is a difficult matter well may i suggest that after one puts their children and grandchildren to bed go into their room after they have fallen asleep and consider that since their futures are largely now in the hands of God falling on ones knees and crying hard would not be such a difficult task now would it?
Like I said egg on their faces!!!!!
https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/prince-charles-used-the-weather-as-an-excuse-to-call-for-changing-the-world-economy/
Just two months ago at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Prince Charles openly called for transforming the world’s economic model at a “revolutionary” pace, re-engineering the business model to change industries, markets and employment so that it is rooted in ‘sustainability’ and the green agenda. The changes would apply to all industries and resources and affect every business sector imaginable. -GEG