Demonstrations in Russia:
According to RT, 5’000 to 26’000 people have marched in the streets of Moscow demanding peace in the Ukraine. According to Vzgliad,20 people demonstrated in Petrozavodsk and Saratov, 50 in Perm, up to 100 in Ekaterinburg, 10 in Novosibirsk, 15 in Syktyvkar and a few people in Barnaul. What are important here are not the actual figures, but the order of magnitude. What we clearly see is that these demonstrations were tiny, at least by Russian standards and when RT’s Anissa Naouai reports that there was a “very high turnout” she is plain wrong. Also, and this is no less important, let us be very careful about what these demonstrations were all about: for peace in the Ukraine and against war. With such a vague and yet doubleplusgoodmeaning slogan, even refugees from bombed out Donetsk could agree (maybe even especially them).
What we have here is a typical propaganda ploy: get people in the streets in support of peace, love and happiness all over the world, and then present that as an “opposition” protest against the government policies. But, come on, seriously, who wants war in the Ukraine? The Kremlin?
The other important point is this: even if, for argument’s sake, we agree that 100% of the demonstators were fierce opponents of Putin or Russian policies in the Ukraine, that is less than nothing compared to Putin 80%+ approval rate.
So what did not happen?
What did not happen is the “Russian Maidan” predicted by Evgenii Fedorov and his supporters. This is what he predicted would happen on September 14th:
They chose Saint Petersburg as the first site. The process has begun. The process is being helped: the whole story with an early election in Saint Petersburg is not accidental! (…) They will send to Petersburg the same trained young people and fighters as those who were prepared in Ukraine. If necessary, they will be issued with Russian passports. The total number of fighters in Russia, prepared by the Americans, ranges from 50’000 to 100’000. On the basis of Ukraine. Of course, you won’t be able to pick them out: they are Russian people, in pure form. These people will come to Petersburg and rent apartments in great numbers. Their task will be to carry out provocations, if necessary, military provocations. What does it all mean? It means terrorist activities! The Right Sector as you know does not have any problems with terrorist activities.
How much of that did actually happen? None at all.
Where is the Nationalist Maidan? Nowhere.
How is the regime in power? As stable as ever.
Fedorov did not stop here. In the same article (please do read it all), he even wrote this:
First, there is a new Ukrainian factor: a 100 thousand brainwashed people. The propaganda is at work turning people into animals there. Their position has strengthened in case you haven’t paid attention. You know, people are watching and many of them are rejoicing at the victories in Ukraine. There are no victories! There are some tactical gains, but no wins. Just six months ago we had a neutral neighbouring country. Now we have a country that has more than 40 million people and is absolutely militarily hostile to Russia. What kind of victory is that? Moreover, they have a Russian population. This is a country which can serve as a good base for the invasion of Russia by orange invaders of the modern type. It wasn’t like this just six months ago. It means that the balance of power around Russia has fundamentally changed. We suffered a huge defeat in the geopolitical sense. We didn’t have an enemy yesterday, and today our enemies look like us. In fact, it is a clear victory by the 5th column. It has won politically, militarily, and from there to a military invasion of Russia.
A military invasion of Russia, no less!
Evgenii Fedorov is a very nice person and he has many good ideas. I honestly like him. But as an analyst he is firmly set into the “doom, gloom and total panic” camp and, frankly, he has zero credibility with me. I have tried to warn about this, but mostly I was ignored or attacked. I hope that with the total “flop” on this “Russian Maidan” everybody now see that Fedorov should be listen to with a couple of pounds of salt.
Russian strategy in the Ukraine
Several of you have pointed out the apparent contradiction in my assertion that Russia’s real goal in the Ukraine is regime change while, at the same time, staying out of the Ukraine and placing the burden of liberation and de-Nazificaton on the Ukrainian people. The contradiction is, I submit, only apparent. Here is what Russia can, and should, do:
1) Politically oppose the regime everywhere: UN, media, public opinion, etc.
2) Express political support for Novorussia and any Ukrainian opposition
3) Continue the informational war (Russian media does a great job)
4) Prevent Novorussia from falling (covert military aid)
5) Mercilessly keep up the economic pressure on the Ukraine
6) Disrupt as much as possible the US-EU “axis of kindness”
7) Help Crimea and Novorussia prosper economically and financially
In other words – give the appearance of staying out while very much staying in.
The key here is to create the conditions which would make it possible for the Ukrainian people to overthrow the Nazis currently in power, boot out the CIA proconsul in Kiev and begin de-Nazifying the country. Yes, this is a long-term and difficult task, but Russia has no other viable options. There will never be stability of safety for Russia as long as the Nazis are in power in Kiev. Sure, a temporary cease-fire or truce or even treaty can be signed with the Nazis, but it will never be viable and at most it will provide a short term respite. I will repeat it again, regime change and de-nazification in the Ukraine are a vital national strategic objective for Russia. Nothing short of that will do.
In conclusion, a couple of short items:
Business Insider says that “Ukraine Is On The Brink Of Total Economic Collapse“.
The Kiev basketball team played in Lithuania against Russia wearing ‘cammo sport’s gear’:
They lost 77 to 102 :-)
And now, last but not least, the really good news!!
According to Yahoo, the notorious Jewish oligarch, Mafia Don, mega-oligarch and iconic “Putin foe” Mikhail Khodorkovksy wants to lead the anti-Putin opposition and he is even contemplating a presidential position for himself. This is absolutely wonderful news as, now that Berezovsky is dead, Khodorkovsky can legitimately claim the title of most hated oligarch in Russia. To have him now declare that he wants to “lead” (read: finance) the Russia non-systemic (which did not even make it into the Duma) opposition is a dream come true for Putin’s PR team. They will now have a wonderful time discrediting all the pro-US opposition has “Khodorkovsk’s agents”.
Great news indeed!
Kind regards,
The Saker
I just completed watching the RT documentary on the situation in Ukraine filmed in April. I suppose Bro. Putin and Bro. Lavrov and their Prime Minister and Defense Minister in Donetsk aren’t too interested in what is happening to the residents of Odessa, Dnienep. and Kharkov at the hands of the Ukrainian Nationalists.
Onward Masonic New World Order Types, the Apres Ski Slopes of Davos awaits the Progressive Heroes of the United Nations of International Law…
Absolutely magnificent large photo of Igor Strelkov, handsome and noble, standing in a home before a fireplace, religious icon in back of him, beautiful cat happily in his arms, his face showing immense peace of soul …
Ladies and gentlemen, we are privileged to live with this hero in our world
Igor Strelkov with cat in his arms
I’m glad you expose RT in this instance. I have always be wary of that site. I think sincere contributors are beginning to take note as well.
BTW says:
I wonder how many of these 5 – 10K “peace” protesters are naïve idiots, how many are ideological fanatics of the “democracy – we want to be like the west” variety, and how many are the pushing and organizing force behind this.
No news account mentioned that ordinary patriotic Russians offered to debate with them; nor is there any account of people telling them to march in Kiev instead. Indeed, why did people not shout at them to march on the US embassy instead to demand an end to bombing of country after country.
— BTW
It looks like Russia may have decided that it wants out of Novorossia:
Strelkov addressing rumors that the “voentorg” has been turned off
If true … what else to conclude except RF has abandoned Novorossiya, and betrayed Strelkov?
Build the Red Army underground of Novorossiya!
Build the Red Army underground of New Soviet Ukraine!
– from Nazi-occupied Amerika
According to Wikipedia, Mikhail Khodorkovksy’s father was Jewish, while his mother was Russian Orthodox. So he is technically not Jewish according to Jewish law, which is matrilineal. (I’m not sure how Russian nationality law defines Jewishness, matrilineally or patrilineally. He could be Jewish by Russian law, but not by Jewish ! A despicable person nevertheless.)
A prediction borne from studious observation of the conflict, and comparison of multiple sources, giving the most weight to Cassad, Flores and Blazov generally:
1) ‘sellout’ of Novorossiya by ‘Putin’ will congeal in the inforeality, as border control tightens, OSCE drones fly, etc.
2) humanitarian aid will increase massively
3) guerilla war will spread beyond the current ‘borders’ of the revolution over the winter
4) Strelkov will return
it’s nice to see you saker in the optimistic mood but i think putin is already on its milosevic path…russia is full of people who would kill its own mother for a new iphone, as well as rich russians who would kill its own mother for a new house in london…russia wasted a years living from day to day on money from gas and oil, and this inertia will cost them…there is a funny quote here in serbia which says “prase se ne goji pred božić”…russia is now drawing moves in the panic mode, because they, together with china, didn’t do anything through the years to break up its ties with the western financial institutions including joint attack on the dollar…and it cant be doing overnight…maybe someone sees condolesa rice who is saying couple of days ago how russia will running out of cash faster than europe will running out of energy…at the same time, we have a coca cola generation in moscow and bejing…they want western goods, western clothes, western tv shows, western music, western gadgets…which is called soft power sometimes…at the end of the day, i would like to be optimistic, but judging by the things in serbia in the past, i’m afraid future is not so optimistic…
Mikhail Khodorkovksy
I wonder what his cia salary is?
Dutch media are reporting just now
that Ukraine asked the international court in The Hague to take on the case against those who are responsible for downing the MH17 (it was strongly implied that Russia is involved and that it is in the category of warcrimes).
In february/march the court already took on a case, proposed by Ukraine, to investigate the ‘crimes committed during the Yanukovitsch presidency’ and more specifically ‘during the maidanprotests’.
This is signing your own death
Court suppose to have both sides
Gives Ru§IA official ground to present facts worldwide and to demand records from traffic controllers
Ukiès are so corrupt they think they already won this court
I see by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Russia#Demographics that in 2010 there were 1,927,988 Ukrainians in Russia. If a fraction of a percent of those turned out (or were transported there by 5th column?) at the rally that alone would about account for a number of 5 or 10 K.
It also says
“According to the 2001 census, there are 253,644 Ukrainians living in the city of Moscow [2], making them the third largest ethnic group in that city, after Russians and Tatars. A further 147,808 Ukrainians live in the Moscow region.”
(One might even wonder if protesters were offered free cookies afterwards?)
I can’t get excited over this.
__Blue
The way one can defeat a false flag is to make as many people aware of the possibility of one occurring, Similarity, Fedorov’s intention had nothing to do with being right or wrong. His intention was to make individuals aware of the dangers. Just by presenting the worst case scenario, he has thwarting them. He is a happy man as we speak.
As far as I am concerned, he was right on target. They started their “voter fraud” wild assertions, followed by the money flowing like wine to pay for “mercenary protesters”
This analysis is overly simplistic and naive.
How could anyone think today’s demonstration is the end of attempts to destabilize Russia?
I would remind The Saker that Maidan started with a handful of people for a couple weeks. Truly, it could not have been more than a couple dozen people at first.
See where we are now? I agree with those who say Putin (and China) made serious mistakes in the last few years: mostly by not striking at the international monetary system in 2008-2009.
I fear it is too late now. I hope I am wrong. But when it comes down to it, why didn’t Russia do anything to help avoid the destruction of its ally, Lybia? Why didn’t lend yanukovitch a hand last year to nip Maidan in the bud? I won’t even go into Novorussia.
I think The Saker seriously underestimates how evil those people are. The fact that the khodorkovsky was published in Le Monde no less is a strong signal that things are about to get very ugly.
Again, I hope I am wrong, but when it comes down to it, all the people that have dared to challenge the international monetary system (and we all know what that means) were eventually destroyed: Napoleon, Hitler (oh yes…. Look up TRUE history), Charles De Gaulle… We are talking international giants here and I don’t think Putin can do better.
Of course recently there were Saddam, Kaddafi and Chavez ( who was probably the most vocal).
I’ll finish this post by asking everyone on their opinion of Lavrov. For months now, I have felt like Lavrov was a true diplomat superstar and that he and putting we’re running circles around the west. I also felt like Medvedev was probably more prone to be a traitor…
Now I am not so sure and I actually wonder if perhaps I got it all backwards… I have been wondering about Lavrov in the last couple weeks or so…
>> Evgenii Fedorov is a very nice person and he has many good ideas. I honestly like him. But as an analyst he is firmly set into the “doom, gloom and total panic” camp and, frankly, he has zero credibility with me.” <<
I just watched him on Youtube in a lengthy session with two students. I didn’t think of him as an analyst. I don’t believe he thinks of himself as an analyst.
His discourse reminded me of Austrian writer Thomas Bernhard: exaggerate, repeat, exaggerate, repeat, and so on, as a form of art.
It’s all about eliminating shades of grey and reducing things to black and white. Expressionist movies. That’s what he does. The approach may be useful for some purposes, but not as an analysis.
Could someone advise me on what book to buy that best describes the politics behind the destruction of Yugoslavia . cheers norman broomhall
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-and-the-islamic-state-are-united.html?_r=0
NY Times can’t understand why those wacky paranoid Iraqis think ISIS/ISIL = Al-CIAeda.
it was sheer stupidity of putin to release khodoroskey from hjail before sochi games jsut to please anglo enemis -this showed putin weakness and also that a president can violate the court sentence.
putin won presidential election and recent eelction still there are protests in Russia-what does it show/ it shows that russia is very weak and in no control of nay one man.
putin has shown all the weakness in last 4 months and that has emboldend the anglosaxon enemies of russia.atleast putin should nto have betrayed iran syria and novorussia.
Anonymous said…
I’m glad you expose RT in this instance. I have always be wary of that site. I think sincere contributors are beginning to take note as well.
i ahvealways said that Rt has bene infiltrated by english spy journalists and promotes mostly pro english agenda which is anti russian in spirit.
Anonymous said…
it’s nice to see you saker in the optimistic mood but i think putin is already on its milosevic path…russia is full of people who would kill its own mother for a new iphone, as well as rich russians who would kill its own mother for a new house in london…russia wasted a years living from day to day on money from gas and oil, and this inertia will cost them..
completely agree man.
putin counting on general winter as if his anlgo enemis are that stupid not to have counted on that.putin and russia wants self destruction -sad really .
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140918/193061475/Russian-Observers-Suspect-Special-Voting-Technologies-in.html
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html
UK and US are always in favor of breaking up and carving up other nations particularly those in the Middle East and Africa but when it comes to their own nations then they sing a different tune, “we’re stronger together.” Conversely does that mean UK and US break up and carve up other nations because hey’re weaker apart making it easier for UK and US to control them?
I doubt that Russians will do because Russians are not that clever and cunning to take advantage of opportunity nor are they quick to make use of momentum.
Look how they slept after stopping americans and british to bomb Syria-nothing for weeks. No supply of 2-300 or 2-400 to Syria to deter anglos enemy. While anglos have bene supplying all anti aircraft guns to Syrians through Saudi Arabia.
Look how Russia make excuses in 2007 not to supply s-300 to Iran –all delaying tactics for 3 years till Medvedev stopped it falsely citing Uno resolution –the same resolution which Russia did not bother to veto!
Russia today is facing enemy at door because it did not stop them at allies’ door in Iran, Damascus or Libya.
Take another example of Russia missing her chance.
After 2008 crisis in Iceland-which refused to be looted by the anglos parasite race-Russia should have given a few billion dollars loan to Iceland and thus gain sympathy and ally there-but it acted as hard nosed businessman and thus lost friend and customer too. with only a small investment it would have got foothold just north of its main enemy england which it needs to bomb eventually if it wants to survive.
IN 2008 Russia and china had the opportunity to destroy IMF and world bank and the american -british system of looting the world ;but foolishly these two countries went on ,prompting from parasite england, recommended IMF and world bank to lead new economic system! How stupid of these countries and that is why they never go up in world because of their stupidity.
Therefore china and russia must prepare for war which is coming their way
Russia needs to discard being sloth and its naivety and foolishness and get ability to recognise who is the main enemy and who are just distractions put up by the main enemy. after that it must get prepared to destroy its main enemy-no pussyfooting around. It is matter of life and death for Russia.
The Saker said, “when RT’s Anissa Naouai reports that there was a ‘very high turnout’ she is plain wrong.”
Here’s what RT said: “The opposition organizers failed to attract the promised 50,000 for the event, but ‘there was a very high turnout,’ RT’s Anissa Naouai reported from the center of Moscow. City authorities estimated the turnout at 5,000, but the number voiced by independent monitors – 26,000 – seems more believable, according to Naouai.”
She cited a number by “independent monitors”! Anyway, not to dispute the numbers since I wasn’t there. I really wanted to address Anonymous (19:46): “I’m glad you expose RT in this instance. I have always be wary of that site.” I think RT, because it wants to attract an international audience – and is doing very well it seems – tries very hard not to appear biased and not to make uncorroborated statements, and may at times seem too careful.
I’m trying to turn “westerners” on to RT and our governments seem to be trying to stop us from
watching it. Not to mention the unrelenting trolling on RT’s comment sections.
Anyway, best wishes and thanks for all you do.
Saker there are two side to this protest and Fedorov’s views.
The first is your sober assessment of the RT news, but I would add that a lot of things have happened in these last two weeks, and find Fedorov’s original estimates may of been sounder than they now appear.
The peace could have easily have been broken before the EU sitting of the 15th, but was not. Fedorov’s “Maidan” was ideally suited to influence the RU sitting.
Something else happened that caused a delay and then a smaller turnout without the snipers. Because there is nothing obvious it must have been something behind the scenes, something big, but not obvious.
I think the US may be already loosing its hold on Europe, for that slipping of control explains the delay (no major peace breaking incident), and the small size (a harmless release of organisational energy).
All speculation, but this has never been about the Ukraine, it has always been about a three sided pivot, a disruption of Russia, a “Libyan” offensive in the Middle East and the confinement of China.
Putin may not have averted Fedorov’s prediction, so much as having created the ground that made Europe fairly suddenly “unreliable”, which if true is really the major news of the last few decades.
Please note the NATO Ukraine “war games” were a very quite flop, despite the tweets from the Kiev consulate. The string of fortresses and the 4,000 flying squad have quietened down (no doubt still on the boards but having lost their Wales summit urgency). And then there was the announcement of an alliance the between Junta, Poland and Lithuania — which must have had the Kremlin really scared (clearly a last minute response; perhaps to being “abandoned” by daddy NATO?).
This is just speculation and suggestion, not news, but we really need someone who is well placed to analyse in-depth the new EU executive as this new cabinet for Europe is I believe a Merkel construction and has been quietly put together well before the 15th.
Why are those basket ballets playing a sport while 60 year olds with beer bellies are sent to the front
Let them wear their camp in one of Pol Pt Shenko’s cauldrons
“hope that with the total “flop” on this “Russian Maidan” everybody now see that Fedorov should be listen to with a couple of pounds of salt.
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No offence, but the way you ridicule and try to dismiss serious threats like this, almost makes you sound like a “newbie” propaganda for whitewashing that there isnt any 5th coloumnist threats.
(But other times you sound like total whitewasher for putin;)
And other times your more on your game.
I dont know about Fedorov-guy, and i honestly dont care either.
Offcourse there would not be any “russian maidan” this year!!.
It would be almost ludicrus to think there would be a russian maidan so quick.
It topk usa 10-20 years to build up the ukranian maidan. It did NOT happend in just few months!!!.
And usa has won many Major victories now about ukraine (almost only thing they did not win was Crimea).
Now usa will have to bunker/fortify their new victories.
Build up nato (with the shaky dumbo easteuropeans), usa will take advantage of this moments by building up usa nato bases around usa, more surveilance in name of nato, build up socalled defense-shield (that can fire at russia;), and build up several more nato-bases, and get more countries under nato-controll either directly or indirectly.
And usa will most likely pressure Romania to buy more naval ships, with joint usa-romania crew (so can have several in black sea).
And usa will prepare for the Azerbadsjan-Armenia war.
The Turkey rioting (if still necessary, or get turkey to allow gass and oil lines from Turkmenistan and Azerbadsjan into Europe.
And make sure Kurdistan gets independence.
Etc
Etc
Etc.
Then in 2-5 years (max 10) there will either be elected a fake president in Russia (usa/israel stopge), or atleast a coup attempt (russian maidan).
And if that fails alone, then use the ukranian HATRED for russia, to get them to “invade” ukraine. (Either anonymous or direct).
Why would the world care? Its only ukranian soldiers.
Nato will build up and train hundreds thousands of ukranians for combat. And then “accidently” loose controll of ukraine, so ukraine can attack russia.
(And yes plenty of ethnic russians in ukraine who will be brainwashed within 5years!!).
Btw just for pure show of the power of media.
Russia woth Yeltsin was in a catastrophic sotuation in 90s. Up to 50% poverty, and alooot of other bad things. Yeltsin was abou to loose in election to an opponent (Yeltsin was hated).
But with a deal with oligarchs, he got alot of media propaganda campaign and 6 months later actually won the election with close to 55% of all the voters.
So all though Putin has 80% approval rating. Do NOT rest on that!.
Usa have overthrown many beloved leaders. Even gotten the internal hatred to boil from maybe 10% opponents to in the “rage” to suddenly in auto-gear by all propaganda to become 40% rage against belove leaders.
Statisticly, one only need 3-7% of a population to overthrow a leader.
IF those 3-7% are an very active group.
And while they are doing it, you often “magically” get 20%+ out of nowhere (“followers”/easy convinced).
So doubtfull of any “russian maidan” this year or next year.
But high likelyhood within 5-10 years. (Very high).
Its the only real way usa can take down russia without a direct usa-war.
Преведено на српски / Translated into Serbian:
http://cirilizovano.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-saker_22.html
For Novorossiya to win: adopt an explicitly revolutionary state capitalist/socialist/communist program. That is the way to win Odessa and Kharkiv. That is the way to win the international support we need. That is the way to win more support from Russia. That is the way to win the support of South America, China, India, Africa. That is the way to win the support of the youth of America and Europe.
The NAF will liberate Russia, Ukraine, Europe and the Americas.
“1) Politically oppose the regime everywhere: UN, media, public opinion, etc.”
Because that has worked sooo well so far?
UN they get more or less silenced down.
“Public opinion” in the west is hard, because they arent able to reach most. And the longer time passes by, the harder it becomes for public people to see whats may be the truth.
And public opinion in ukraine?
Thats a loosing game.
After ukraine banned russian medias, journalists etc…
After almost all media now sends tsunamies with pro anti-russian hatred, even at typical ethnic russian regions….
In 5 years almost everyone (even ethnic russians! In ukraine) will Purely HATE Russia!.
In addition, the few who will resist the brainwashing, will feel betrayed and abandoned by Russia. (And eventually succumb, or flee. But dislike russia or be forever skeptical about russia).
Russia is basicly ruining its own legacy/reputation by its own people (who do not live inside russian borders).
In addition, more and more in russia will also dislike leadership for abandoning their own people abroad. They will feel alot less lojal to the russian gov.
2) Express political support for Novorussia and any Ukrainian opposition
To whom?
3) Continue the informational war (Russian media does a great job)
No they absolutly do not!.
Considering the truth has been on russian/east ukranians side all along, one can say the tick glue of western propaganda has been a loosing war for russia.and its basicly WHY russia seems to now be capitulating in novorossia.
IF russia was winning any big information war then:
1. Western media would not be able to BLATANTLY LIE so much!!!.
2. Western leaders would not bedn able to pull off all those INSANE anti-russian speeches and policies.
Including all the absurd anti-russian sanctions.
So totall: Russia lost the information war. The western oligarchs controll way to much of the western media.
Even youtube have deleted several thousands of ukraine videoes (showing the war), and banned a dozen of russian tv-streamers on youtube. Etc.
But taken all the western oligarchs power into consideration, THEN the “russian information war” has done a marvelous job.
And it is NOT the russian gov!.
(Its sites like Cassad, Voice of Sevastopol and alot of others).
And offcourse russian gov coming with hard evidences. Etc.
4) Prevent Novorussia from falling (covert military aid)
I dont understand?
All of novorossia was just recently screwed over (atleast it seems like that at present).
5) Mercilessly keep up the economic pressure on the Ukraine
Ukraine is allready broke.
A country can feed on the debris for over 10year, while fueling even more hatred.
And guess what? In dire times, they always find “common enemy” (to avoid internal vlame).
And guess who the lucky winner is of becoming the hatred enemy?
R U S S I A.
Lack of gass in kiev?
People will dislike local gov.
BUT Russia will get blamed for it!.
And Hatred will go towards Russia!.
6) Disrupt as much as possible the US-EU “axis of kindness”
7) Help Crimea and Novorussia prosper economically and financially
In other words – give the appearance of staying out while very much staying in.
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Yes thats called sitting back and _pretending_ to actually do something.
It has worked sooo well with ukraine in the past 10years? While ukraine media has spawn total hatred-propaganda against Russia to the west-ukranians.
Over 2% of ukranian population is openly neo-nazi sympatizers. No other country is even close to such extremes.
Give ukraine 10 more years, and then even the east-ukranians will be “transformed” into Anti-Russian zombies.
Dangerous for Russia.
(Ukraine has a population of 40million, russia 140 million).
Ukraine do not have the tech themselves (but will get armed and trained by nato), and even 20.000 ukraine sabotage recon groups can do heavy damage inside russia.
There are currently 3-4 million ujranians working in Russia. Keeping controll of 20.000 potential sabotagers would be close to impossible.
(They even look the same).
@”indignant anonymouses”: you might as well sign your posts, it’s all the same stuff you have been saying all along, you were wrong then, and you are wrong now. Limonov, Dugin and Fedorov can continue to try generate enough panic to force Russia to do what the Neocons want her to do, but they will fail. I just watched a TV show with Limonov speaking and he is truly full of nonsense and crap. Personally, I am sick and tired of these guys getting it all wrong over and over again while standing on the sidelines and not getting anything useful *done*. With ‘friends’ like these, Novorussia doesn’t need enemies. When dealing with a rabid dog (Nazi occupied Banderastan) you need a cool head, not hysterics.
The Saker
@indignant anonymous: one more thing. I already told you. I write this blog for intelligent and honest people. Not for kindergartners and not for intellectually dishonest folks. When I wrote “give the appearance of staying out while very much staying in” I did *not* write “sitting back and _pretending_ to actually do something. And your “thats called” does not make it so. If you cannot tell the difference, you are either stupid or dishonest or both. I am sick and tired of that kind of twisting of my words so why don’t you kindly buzz off the those blogs were dishonesty is met with high praise and stop polluting my blog with your infantile and dishonest misrepresentations?
Thanks,
The Saker
@Anon, 21:04
Re: Khodorkovsky
He made his “fortune” with the help of the Kosher Nostra. The propaganda surrounding him never lost the opportunity to link his success to his Jewishness. And would not have shown such hysterical support, had he been not.
Ukraine economy indicators:
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/ukraine-economic-indicators-down-20-and-still-plunging-thanks-for-the-coup-washington/?utm_source=wysija&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Mailing+List+Sunday+10+AM
“You can’t achieve anything if you’re not calm”
George Gurdjieff.
I think Putin is one of the most significant zen masters of our time. He always does everything in a measured and calm demeanor. All great things require great efforts and plenty of time; I think we all should breath deep and learn how to be patient. There is a lot more happening behind the visible and I think all those hasty comments about Russian politics are just idiotic and shortsighted. I’m sure, with time we will see some phenomenal changes and Russia will come up at the top of this game but before that things might appear as illogical or incomprehensible. There is plenty of soul and spirit in Russia and you’re much more likely to get killed over an iphone (or even just for fun) in Detroit then anywhere in Russia. I believe in the destiny of Russia not because some president/Politian/priest told me to do so, but because I feel it in my bones…and my bones never lie to me.
@complaining anonymous,
Enlarge your views a little bit with a cool head,fly over Novorussia,see the whole world map and please leave your emotions aside.We have been all very much frustrated these last years by the shear magnitude of the empire’s criminality and non respect of International law and UN Charter,but in the actual jungle that our planet has become only very cool heads will prevail.You don’t know many unknown to paraphrase criminal Rumsfeld,you are not aware of what is going on behind the fog of war(neither do I nor Saker),you don’t possess all the elements that constitute this dirty game.This is a very long fight ,with many interludes like the Minsk proclamation ,and it will end with the total defeat of one side,This is what thousand of years of History have shown.There will be no half solution or what they call compromises with a dying empire,this is what History taught us.Yes entire populations will suffer and for that matter are suffering,but even if you scream you won’t change the colossal movements in action.Russia has been doing very fine until now,it is implementing a very long term strategy to weaken the enemy and last but not least it is trying to avoid a third world war.
In case you think that I easily talk of the suffering of others,being immune ,I come from the region who has and is paying the highest price for its independence ,the Arab world,and that in a spam of time bordering 70 years and where all our lives have been destroyed.
BCH
I just want to share with you my favourite AFP news item today. Quote:
Poroshenko says Ukraine ready to defend itself if peace plan fails
President Petro Poroshenko said Sunday that Ukraine must be ready to defend itself should a peace deal with pro-Russian insurgents fail. … And he acknowledged that 65 percent of Ukraine’s military hardware had been destroyed during the five-month conflict.
Source:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/140921/poroshenko-says-ukraine-ready-defend-itself-if-peace-plan-fails
That’s right, folks. Porosenko admitted today on TV that 60-65% of Ukraine’s military hardware went up in smoke during the punitive operation against the Donbass people.
Most Western media try to bury this information somewhere deep down in their reporting.
Well Poland is officially pitching in
Will sell arms (donate?) To Uks
one day there won’t be any “Anonymous” posters, because Saker will finally decide to delete everyone without a name. And that will be a good day for the health of this comments forum. Allowing anons burdens the signal with unnecessary noise, makes it significantly harder to discern the reliability of perspective and information from the comments here. Oh well.
I don’t mean to nag, and I hope you know that I’m on your side, Saker – you would judge this from my name of course ;)
I totally agree with you that there is no alternative except a new ‘non-nazi’ government in Ukraine…in fact I would like to see Novorussia as the government, whenever they get their act together…
How about Strelkov as president of Novo Ukrainia ?
As Lenin said: “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it”, and Khodorkovsky is actually ideal from that perspective.
From the Kremlin’s POV, why put a ringer in place when you can unleash a fatally flawed version of the real thing?
Erebus
So is RT owned by an Russian oligarch ?
Is RT a closet Putin-hater ?
Igor Druz, Strelkov’s comrade, speaks wisely: “If [Moscow] does not at last make right decisions, then serious disturbances in Russia itself are inevitable. If Moscow tries to freeze the conflict, then the West and Kiev will set up Russia for turmoil. The longer will this conflict be unresolved [or frozen], the more likely such turmoil will be.”
“What is really upsetting and astonishing some circles in Moscow is the fact that Strelkov is not for sale. He does not trade the country, his name or honor. This makes politicians in the capital really angry.”
“Если все-таки правильного решения не будет принято, то неизбежны серьезные потрясения в самой России.”
https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_19569
“when RT’s Anissa Naouai reports that there was a “very high turnout” she is plain wrong.”
Most definitely. In fact the “Anissa Naouais” at RT have been a recurrent problem with their employment of zionazis, especially the ones with Ami accents. The problem is one of serious management corruption. It’s like the Catholic church and the child molesting priest problem, management messed up and they are not correcting the problem.
Don’t hire the turds in the first place, and when it’s obvious what the more stealthy are, sack them immediately. This is obvious with the NY zio-trash Naouais who should have never been hired.
Looking at the video, one can see how the numbers of marchers do not equal the 20k + the Ami zionist claimed and are more like the numbers of early eastern Ukranine protests numbering about 5000 or so. Same with the photos at the RT site, they do not show the numbers the zios claim, those that are showing more than close-ups, the latter which the zio-media makes a point to hype. It’s a very good example of the 5th element at work within Russia to undermine Russia for the zio-west fascists. Even more damning is the lack of mention of the anti-ZPC/NWO elements there. Heads need to roll over this at RT, the place needs a thorough de-zionification.
Fedorov – exaggerates the internal threat from the ZPC/NWO, but the threat is there, and people need to wake up. Partying on as usual will end up in one being in an European peoples situation, or worse, an Israeli-American one where nazi Germany seems like a step up. As with the corrupted RT coverage of the zionazi пиздoбол march shows that ZPC/NWO corruption in Russia is still a very serious problem that needs some very serious attention.
“2) Express political support for Novorussia and any Ukrainian opposition”
Not any Ukrainian opposition – at least publicly. ;)
“The Kiev basketball team played in Lithuania against Russia wearing ‘cammo sport’s gear'”
Hey, gays like playing dress-up. That photo could be right out of Eton or Yale. The one wearing the grrrrl’s black leggings…prime Israeli-American political material there, not to mention the political career potential such a cross-dressing individual would have in the other ZPC/NWO colonies. :D
“They lost 77 to 102 :-)”
:D
вот так
To Norman Broomhall:
The Weight of Chains.
Yugoslavia disintegration in 2hrs documentary by Boris Malagurski.
Ukraine is to receive *non-lethal weapons* from the US and others:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140922/193156465/US-Other-Countries-to-Provide-Ukraine-With-Non-Lethal-Weapon.html
Apparently a *non-lethal* weapon is anything you can add to a lethal weapon to increase its lethality!
Just to play Devil’s Advocate:
1) Politically oppose the regime everywhere: UN, media, public opinion, etc.
–I thought Russia was trying to help Poroshenko. For example, the Minsk peace documents. How can you say the regime is terrible but still recognize Poroshenko’s election and try to help him?
2) Express political support for Novorussia and any Ukrainian opposition
–Isn’t the opposition going to be even more anti-Russian for the foreseeable future, unless a PS coup takes place? As for political support for Novorossiya, what would that look like? It seems like Russia’s hope is that there won’t be a Novorossiya, just a united but loose Ukraine. Perhaps you mean political support for the residents of the Donbass.
3) Continue the informational war (Russian media does a great job)
–Some of us cynics suspect that the Western PTB own more of the Russian media than Russian PTB own of the Western media. If Russia had been doing a good job in the infowar, it is possible that this whole mess in the Ukraine would not have occurred. Maybe things are changing now.
4) Prevent Novorussia from falling (covert military aid)
–Yes, that looks like it is being achieved.
5) Mercilessly keep up the economic pressure on the Ukraine
–Hardly necessary, but Russia needs to be careful. The Ukrainian public are likely going to blame Russia for their problems, and become even more anti-Russian next year. Economic hardship and humiliation tend to promote fascism and blaming outsiders.
6) Disrupt as much as possible the US-EU “axis of kindness”
–Yes, this is vital.
7) Help Crimea and Novorussia prosper economically and financially
–OK, you had me fooled. That last joke was a killer. Crimea can prosper, but Novorossiya? With no legal status, Akhmetov and friends owning half of the place, the infrastructure destroyed, and perhaps half the people leaving once Winter kicks in. Novorossiya could definitely prosper if it got legal status and threw out the oligarchs, but in the current situation? The Ukraine got into this mess because of the terrible economic system, so how they could possibly prosper now with a war on top of the old mess is hard to see.
“Hungarian tanks for Ukraine” action follow-up:
About a month ago, interesting question was addressed to Croatian President Josipovic. Allegedly, Croatian Military was pressured to give their old Russian-made helicopters to Ukraine, in exchange for the USA-made Blackhawks. The President responded that nobody is pressing Croatia into such an arrangement, and further voluntarily explained that this idea was lately advocated by the Minister of Defence, as merely one of many proposals to modernise Croatian Military, but no agreement has been achieved. The President tried to undertone this issue, giving impression that probably it will never materialise, yet he was careful not to openly say so.
We have a presidential election coming with a Rasmussen’s ex-aide Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic running, as a candidate of some of the most conservative right-wing parties and groups in Croatia. Having to face potentially very dangerous opposition candidate, Josipovic was smart enough not to get entangled in any murky arm-deal business, more in domain of his counter-runner Ms. Grabar-Kitarovic.
Leaving aside the moral level of Croatian political elites, we can conclude that Uncle Sam is desperately trying to sell out its military equipment currently located in Afghanistan; which they do not want to leave behind, nor they can just destroy it as proposed earlier this year, which incensed austerity targeted USA taxpayers. Fortunately, eager-to-please&corrupted Croatia is near, and there is this nifty little Ukrainian, ahem… crisis, so let’s merge business and pleasure…
The real question here would be: for what kind of war fog in Ukraine old-type helicopters which Russians themselves had already pulled out of use are needed?
“Could someone advise me on what book to buy that best describes the politics behind the destruction of Yugoslavia . cheers norman broomhall”
Germany didn’t want another union in Europe and her WWII allies wanted out of Yugoslavia.
The 50th Anniversary of NATO and NATO’s eternal quest for A Reason To Exist (see Wales recently).
If you find such a book discussing the above, I’d like to know the title.
I liked this part from the Moscow Times coverage of Peace March:
The anti-war protesters were greeted by a striking banner unfurled on a building opposite Pushkin Square that read “March of Traitors” and depicted the faces of prominent figures of the protest movement, including those of opposition politician Boris Nemtsov, writer Lyudmila Ulitskaya and rock singer Andrei Makarevich.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/thousands-march-for-peace-in-moscow/507473.html
Pics here:
https://vk.com/mskstud?w=wall-73663964_489
and more detail here (in Russian but quite readable with autotrans English):
http://habfond.livejournal.com/199017.html
The banner was by art group “Initiative Group of Moscow Students.”
«Инициативная группа московских студентов»
Brian
re: Fedorov
He seems to be pointing out the dangers and possibilities, not simply analyzing what will happen quickly. And his words are, at least in English, understandable. When he refers to an “invasion”, I read it as more of a sabotage/social disruption plan of destabilization, not troops in uniform. And the US puts serious money and organizational talent into these destabilization campaigns. Compare the US groups in the Ukraine over the last few years with the pro-Russian ones. The pro-Russian ones could barely take over Donetsk. Imagine if it had been the other way. The US groups would have taken over Galicia with ease and have Kiev and Odessa under siege now.
And he is right that Russia has suffered a serious geopolitical defeat. That is why this blog has argued that it is imperative for Russia to replace the current regime, no matter what, and no matter who is in the Kremlin or whatever Putin’s personal views.
It is possible that Russia can gain from this disaster in the long run. Taking the Crimea was a big win, of course. But we don’t know yet about the other big issues.
Some little connections
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id686.html
@”indignant anonymouses”
One should keep in mind that the AZ are great adepts of doublethink.
On the one hand Russia is a terrifying bully, a cynical aggressor, that would trod under her unwashed feet the freedom loving people of the washed West.
On the other hand Russia is a weak county, who in fact shake in awe and fear of the populous, prosperous, well equipped West.
The West needs to show Russia as occupying always a position of inferiority. Needs to believe that Russian policy is driven by their threats, sanctions, sabre-rattling, bad mouthing.
Needs to reassure itself that “we always will beat Russia” (sometime in the future!). Just give us the time!
When there’s a protest by some people pro, global warming or whatever from the NWO. The media always increase the size of the so called protesters by a minimum factor of ten.
Seen this Sunday in Melbourne AUS Global warming protest about 150 to 200 persons max being there, report in our “respected” media. Over two thousands people protesting.
Not bad from a Melbourne population of four millions & a nice sunny day.
About the majority of commenters agreeing that time was on Russia’s side
It might be good to re-visit that now. The Donbass has been destroyed, and perhaps a couple of million of the people are now refugees somewhere. The odds are that the Ukraine will either turn into a failed state in another year or two, or a fascist one. Both of those outcomes are pretty grim. Of course, Russia would have an easier time of using the NAF or Russian military if it was a failed state, but a much harder time against an entrenched and built-up fascist regime. Perhaps like the Nazis – they were actually fairly weak the first few years. Till they weren’t. A lot of people argued that the proper strategy was to wait till the masses rebelled. It never happened. How could it? Rebelling against Avakov is not possible without serious outside help.
The big card Russia has lying around is gas. However, one shouldn’t be surprised if the EU/US say that Russia not providing gas to Kiev would be cause for serious sanctions. Imagine the UN debates. Evil Russia freezing to death old Ukrainians. Every day on TV.
As an aside, a class-based interpretation of events might be like what Colonel Cassad regulary argues. The Kremlin hasn’t made a decision about Novorossiya yet. They are straddling two chairs. One chair is to try to promote the Russian national interest by changing reality inside the Ukraine with force, and the other is to make business and oligarchs happy inside Russia – along with not facing the pain that regular folks would face from sanctions.
So Novorossiya is given enough support to stay alive, but not enough to win or expand. Zhirinovsky on TV a couple of days ago suggested that a long war with Novorossiya like Transdenistria might be a reasonable result. Again, an attempt to avoid serious sanctions and not watch Novorossiya collapse. But is this really a strategy based on national interests or just a desire to not face sanctions?
“So Novorossiya is given enough support to stay alive, but not enough to win or expand. Zhirinovsky on TV a couple of days ago suggested that a long war with Novorossiya like Transdenistria might be a reasonable result. Again, an attempt to avoid serious sanctions and not watch Novorossiya collapse. But is this really a strategy based on national interests or just a desire to not face sanctions?
“
Could be.
But even if that was Russia’s now decision…
It would fail, because the sanctions are not imposed because of rational reasonings. The sanction was imposed to attack russian interests, and the “reasoning” was mere excuses to justify the decisions to inflict economic warfare.
But who knows. Maybe usa is “satisfied” for now.
They do now have media controll of about 40 million people.
Who can blame Russia for ALL their daily struggles.
No hot water? Blame Russia. No pensions payment? Blame Russia. No jobs? Blame Russia. Buss not on time? Blame russia.
(Yes russia will end up beeing blamed even for nonsense. But point is… The only thing that unites a poor struggling people…. Is a common “enemy”.
So to keep order, a government will create that common image of enemy.: Russia.
In my opinion, this is very dangerous.
40 million so dirt poor people as ukraine just next to russia.
Under constant media propaganda of “evil russia”.
(More or less agree with almost everything you wrote).
On Yugoslavia, I know of no such book, but this is the best account I know of (myself being a witness of that war):
http://tenc.net/yugo.htm
Hello,Greg Schofield
Perhaps you could listen to this….
http://www.iiss.org/en/events/gsr/sections/global-strategic-review-2014-281a/saturday-keynote-a3c3
I don’t think, Fedorov makes a doom and fail mood. He just says: we are listening, WHO is the 5th column, we are prepared and will act. That’s all.
“Ladies and gentlemen, we are privileged to live with this hero in our world”
yes we are according to his memoirs:
“Attacks and raids
In Strelkov’s diary, Serb colleagues are depicted as cowards with no military discipline whose main objective is looting.
“The Russians have already seen that the Serbs lack the courage that distinguished their compatriots in World War I,” Strelkov wrote.
Although he stresses that Muslim and Croats were no better in committing atrocities, the Serb forces did not make a good impression on Strelkov.
On one occasion, the Serbs let the Russians get into an exposed position and then postponed their own intervention.”
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/igor-strelkovs-bosnian-diary-ukraine-separatist-leaders-1992-bloody-war-1458897
sorry for the serbian apologists here but this is hero writing…
It has been reports about post-rally cleanup in Moscow:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3923/15287610386_aea20ee61d_o.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3925/15124072518_75ff371a51_o.jpg
tradition is best preserved by repetition…
Regarding the best book on Yugoslavia you can’t do much better than “Fools’ Crusade: Yugoslavia, Nato, and Western Delusions” by Diana Johnstone. What is interesting about Yugoslavia versus Ukraine is the sheer amount of information being released almost in real time about the war in East
Ukraine, for which we should all be extremely grateful to the Saker for this website (it’s more than a blog). For years only a few voices such as those of Pilger, Chomsky and Johnstone had could be heard explaining – against much hostility I might add – what had really occurred in Yugoslavia.
To Bok Tak (et al): In terms of RT hiring Americans (zio-trash) the answer is simple. RT should hire Americans who are not 1)dual-citizens (Israel-US) and 2)are not otherwise jewish. There are LOTS of eager young journalism students — many from southern universities — not (yet) infested by zio-trash — that would be thrilled to have a shot at working for a major international news outlet. But perhaps RT wants to stack its masthead with zio-trash? In that case they’ll lose credibility with those of us who are awakening in LARGE numbers.
One more time for the peanut gallery (alphabets + mossad) — the sleepy beast (American citizens) is awakening. US MSM is unreadable and unlistenable these days. Not only have they lost ANY credibility — but their story and plot lines are just so damn predictable. The echo-chamber is screeching the same BS over and over — which means its lost its punch. Every interview or article is written by the same committee. And they are increasingly more bazaar. (Just and aside — why do they insist calling Syria the “regime” — when the Syrian gov’t was elected??? It’s just so ridiculous. One may not favor Assad — or even heartily dislike him and his gov’t — but he has as much legitimacy as our “friends” in the ME and elsewhere. They think we don’t notice their skewed logic…typical zio-trash overreach… LOL.)
Finally — I really like Strelkov but for gawdssake don’t make the fellow into some demi-god. Puh-leeze. Let him evolve and grow organically versus some mythological story-line. Maybe its just that you Russians love good stories. Personally — I love good outcomes. Those that bless everyone involved. And those can come from unlikely sources.
Finally — I admire Lavrov. That doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of any and all human foibles. We are ALL subject to the same kinds of influences — perhaps at a different scale. When ones family is threatened — for instance — lots of things can shift and change. I tend to believe that most US Congressmen start out trying to do good — and end up being co-opted by evil through similar blackmail and threats. No one is totally immune.
BTW — what happened to MOA? I literally can’t read them anymore. Too bad. They were a go-to source. Now they’re simply another Empire limited-hangout mouthpiece.
P.S. I don’t like cats…so Strelkov holding one is not appealing…a dog would be much better…FYI to your marketing team.
Thanks scanalyse for the link to Weight of Chains. Really incredible movie. Some of the smae stuff happening in the Ukraine. Wow!
re: Fedorov
The value of Fedorov is that he is immunizing the population. Was he right that it was going to be a mass gathering?
I do not know. But what I do know is that he warned people of the intention. He warned them that this could happen. For those who thought of participating, it probably gave them second thoughts. Probably made them ask, “are they being used?”
How do you destroy a person’s ability to manipulate? By bringing their lies out in the open. By exposing them.
You may not agree with his methods, but I am thankful that he is pointing to the danger. Warning us, making us question the reason for these protest and not accept them at face value.
There was a post that was made in twitter, about the March. It came form a US political commentator about how the March represented the rights of the minority.
As you know in the West, the rights of the minority supersede those of the majority. To understand your enemy, you need to understand the language they use. Understand their weapons.
Fedorov is telling us (the general public) what those weapons are, giving us insight into the language the opposition is using.
Don’t dismiss him. Be grateful that he is out there.
I suppose the biggest question is, what has Russia won by appeasing the west.
The sanctions will not stop. Thee will be another one on some made up pretext just as Syria heats up.
scanalyse:
Using ‘old’ equipment has at least two functions.
Firstly, it can be used by current trained Ukrainian specialists (pilots, tankies etc)
Secondly, there is plausible deniability as to source. Start chucking Leopard tanks or US equipment into the fray and it becomes immediately obvious what is going on.
And yes, there may be a commercial element here too. If a chopper is taken out of service in one country then there is a sales opportunity for a replacement which is more modern – even if slightly used in another theatre of war.
7) Help Crimea and Novorussia prosper economically and financially
–OK, you had me fooled. That last joke was a killer. Crimea can prosper, but Novorossiya? With no legal status, Akhmetov and friends owning half of the place, the infrastructure destroyed, and perhaps half the people leaving once Winter kicks in. Novorossiya could definitely prosper if it got legal status and threw out the oligarchs, but in the current situation? The Ukraine got into this mess because of the terrible economic system, so how they could possibly prosper now with a war on top of the old mess is hard to see.
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What am I missing? the RF is not supporting their independence or “anschluss, enosis” with Mother Russia. Who will rebuild a destroyed Donbass? Certainly not the bankrupt deadbeats in Ukraine. They’ll just steal 90% of any aid earmarked, the local oligarch will get the 9% that is left.
NR is in a catch 22. No help from Kiev, what help from Russia? The aid convoys are good but not enough since Ukis aren’t paying salaries in the east and all the production is offline
Putin wants a decentralized but intact Ukraine. How can people not see that? Where is the “proof” that the goal is an independent or even “dependent” Novorossiyan entity?
Strelkov is gonna get clipped if he keeps it up.
Putin is asserting himself to hedge against his Eurasian Sovereingty but make no doubt, there is too much to lose by being cut off from European trade.
The goal if these “olive branches” by Putin can peel the EU poodles away from their American warlords and drop the sanctions in a month or so.
Once again, I will argue the point: Putin won’t let NR be overrun but won’t allow them to be independent either.
South Stream is still in play. Putin wants that. So the hostilities much come to an end on both sides.
Good points Paul 03:51.
It will hardly be easy to achieve those points.
IF they have struggled so much so far, without reaching anywhere more then Russia getting blamed for everything, x numbers of sanctions, and almost Cold War 2.0,…
Kinda hard to believe it should now suddenly change. And Western media will stop lying and start telling the truth.
And Poroschenko will open Media controll inside Ukraine?
I hope things will solve itself. But im not naive. So something/someone has to help ukraine/Russia.
Lets hope that the neo-nazis start a new coup. Since russia seems to either want to forsake novorossia, or may want someone else (west-ukranian neonazis) to take the rebel-role again.
I was just at RT, and the site seems to be turning to trash — like western MSM tabloid, and seemingly largely taken over by the fifth column oligarchs.
The comment section is unusable and filled with garbage. I suspect many of the comments are either computer generated or with the assistance of US propaganda software.
I left this:
””Comment to RT 15:54 092214 http://rt.com/news/189512-poroshenko-us-weapons-army/
“Moscow is bewildered by Washington’s warmongering rhetoric”…
Nonsense! Moscow is not bewildered at all, and understands quite well that the US and NATO is run by fascist bandits and warmongers. What is problematic is that Moscow is still trying to pursue ‘diplomatic’ communication and assuming that the US will allow Russia to behave as gentlemen.
It’s time for Moscow to call the lies lies, bandits bandits, and yankee imperialists and warmongers for what they are, so the common people can not be
fooled by the language: no one who understands the situation is fooled by it, nor by the lies and propaganda from the West, and its trolls and pundits.
The first stage of dealing with the reality is to openly recognize it and speak of it truthfully: the US and EU imperialists are raiding, plundering, and murdering again (still), and there is nothing bewildering about that or the motives.””
Never got published — never approved by the moderator. Serious comments or deviations from the accepted RT line are apparently not permitted.
The stories themselves are largely just fluff with even a hidden anti-Russian overtone in some of it.
Looks a lot like the BBC.
__Blue
Re: Grieved @22 September, 2014 02:20
‘… one day there won’t be any “Anonymous” posters, because Saker will finally decide to delete everyone without a name. …’
A corollary should be deleting any post attacking any poster personally, as opposed to commenting on a post. People will use Anonymous as long as they are attacked viciously, as happens fairly regularly.
Based on available information and some logical reasoning, the MAJOR process happening involving the Crimea and so-called Novorussia is that this has been a plan by Putin’s regime, and by the corrupt kleptocratic Ukrainian president Yanukovich, probably from the first day he took office, to strip away the extensive mineral deposits, shale oil and shale gas deposits discovered in eastern Ukraine and offshore around Crimea, and offshore in the Azov Sea, to take all those resources away from Ukraine, and also to deindustrialize Ukraine [now already essentially done], and there is nothing really “noble” about any of that. This is why the only point that the rebels want to negotiate is facilitation of their independence and then joining Russia, so that all those resources will supply raw materials for the Russian industry while Ukrainian industrial facilities and infrastructure are to be either taken over by the Russians or else destroyed [and of course never restored].—Truly old-fashioned rapacity acting here and little else.
Re Grieved, 2:20
Anonymously sourced comments.
Speaking as someone who would not dream of venturing an analytical comment on what is going on in Ukraine, Russia, or anywhere else, as I am simply too ignorant, I feel that the already significant educational value of this blog would be increased if Anonymous commenters use a name of some kind. Then readers could follow their comments, understand what each one is saying, and not mix them all up together.
I can get a sense of how BTW, Larchmonter, Nora, etc. think, and this helps me put their contributions into perspective with the other inputs. Whereas the whole “Anonymous” thing is pretty darned confusing, as Anonymous A says X, Anonymous B says Not X, Anonymous C says Anonymous A & B are fools, etc. Please, Anonymii, just choose a handle of some kind! Courage!
Majority marching thie weekend in Piter were Nazis: “Slavic Union”, “Wotan Jugend”, “Solidarnost” and this kind of people: linked to Pravyi Sektor for the sake of a white Europe.
They hate “Multicultural” Russia…
To those trashing Anissa Naouai – did you see when her show was trolled on-air by “Ukraine Today”? Or her excellent documentary on the NATO bombing of Serbia? Did you know she was interviewed by a CBC reporter and then dismissed on CBC national news as a Kremlin propagandist?
Posted a while ago from Strelkov:
1.Starting today 23.9.2014 various commanders will not receive anything from so-called “voentorg
2.Previous weekend around 60 ppl have had a party to celebrate “victory” in Moscow-Surkov,Purgin,Borodai,Zaharchenko etc
Make your own desicion in what direction things are going to and how hard will be for NAF to fight.
Also P.Gubarev is saying orders are coming to NAF units to remove signs Novorossia from their uniforms(today/tomorrow will be clear if it is true and what will be reaction of ppl fighting to such order).