It did not take the Ukrainian security services, which are usually not known for their competence, very long to identify the person who tossed the combat grenade at the security forces guarding the Duma: his name is Igor Gumeniuk.
The official version goes like this: Igor Gumeniuk is a member of the Svoboda Party of Oleg Tiagnibok and a solider of the “Sech” death squad.
This proud Ukrainian patriot had a page in the Russian equivalent of Facebook (Vkontakte) where he posted photos of himself as a formidable nationalist warrior and some of his original “artwork”, including two Russian-made Makarov pistols and some bullets arranged in the form of a Swastika. A true intellectual indeed.
So yes, he is perfect for the job and he was found in a record time.
Does anybody else get a weird feeling while reading all this?
Let’s think about the cui bono thing again and begin by setting the context.
Yesterday the Ukrainian Rada was debating a completely meaningless proposal by Poroshenko which only pretended to implement the Minsk-2 Agreement (M2A) while in reality completely ignoring all the key aspects of this agreement, which include a special status for the Donbass negotiated and drafted jointly with the representatives of Novorussia. This proposal was a crude fake, an empty pseudo-effort at decentralization.
And while the Rada was debating this non-proposal a picture perfect Nazi tosses a grenade and kills three security officers. And today, one of the craziest of crazies, Oleg Liashko, has announced that his Radical party was leaving the government coalition and was joining the opposition.
Scary stuff, no? Don’t you get the feeling that “Poroshenko the Moderate” is about to get overthrown by some really scary Nazis?!
Exactly.
Except that even after the departure of Liashko’s party Poroshenko supporters still control the Rada (they have enough voices for that). Except that as terrorists go, Mr. Gumeniuk appears to be almost too perfect of a Nazi freak. Except that the SBU apparently had him arrested almost immediately. Since when is the SBU so fast?
Remember how Eltsin used the Pamiats Party and, later, Zhirinovksy as a bogeyman? Remember how the West was told that if something happened to Eltsin those “extremists” would seize power? Even Putin played that little game with Zhirinovsky, at least for a little while. I think that exactly the same is happening in the Nazi occupied Ukraine were the Ukronazi freaks of Svoboda and the Radical Party serve to make the Nazis in power look comparatively sane.
The regime or, should I say, its US handlers, has decided to give Poroshenko a way out of M2A by dangling in front of us the scary specter of a “real Nazi” takeover in the Ukraine (as opposed, I suppose, to the “not quite real Nazi” or “nice Nazi” regime currently in power): “look at how hard Poroshenko tries and look at how evil his enemies are!! Poor Poroshenko, all he wants is peace and love, and those bad Nazis are now openly threatening him!!”
You know what? Considering how dangerous these extremists are, Poroshenko might not have any other option left to him but to impose even harsher security measures against any dissenters and opponents. To “save democracy”, of course.
This is all nonsense, of course – a crude spectacle played out to “excuse” Poroshenko for his non-compliance with M2A and a good way to prepare for the next elections by terrorizing the poor Ukrainians with a real bloodbath should they not vote for Poroshenko.
But this is all a smokescreen. Poroshenko still has the full backing of Uncle Sam and that means that he is in full control of the (US-run) security services. If anything, the Rada attack yesterday and today’s revolt by Liashko only strengthen Poroshenko’s grip on the country. I don’t know about you – but to me this all stinks of a typical US Psyop.
The Saker
What you say have a chance, Saker.
Just one thing, it seems to me that the guy who throws the grenade in the footage is much smaller in stature and importance that this Igor Gumeniuk……..
According to the rifle (propably WASR-10 (Romanian AK)) length (34″) the man at the picture is about 54″ (134cm) tall….
You mean the US would play with the devil and then a semi-trained dog will be left behind rather than a monster?
The track record isn’t good – The Taliban turned out to be more trouble for the US than Russia. The drug cartels have done more harm to US society than any socialist regime in S America. Isis turns out to be far more worrying than Syria. I’m sure Saker could go on for a lot longer than I could.
I think the world is not as stupid as it claims, and that EU countries have intelligence.
They have known from late last year that there were no Russian troops in E Ukraine and that by 2025 school textbooks would be writing about Obama’s WW3 if the US started a Nato vs Rebels war.
They know that the US wants out, with just one condition – that all blame must be attached to Russia. (Indeed a deal immediately post MH17 where the US said they’d get out slowly and Russia wins all if it only takes 100% of the blame would explain a great deal – especially the illogical rhetoric).
They know the EU want out with as little financial support to Ukraine as possible.
And they know the worst threat to all is an openly Nazi party which openly kills Russian speaker.
The US would get blamed (first and foremost by the EU leaders passing the buck). The financial costs for the EU would skyrocket. Kiev lies would be uncovered (along with facts about US support). And the open killing of Russian speakers would lead to a heroic invasion of Ukraine which the west would have to back (similar to Iran vs Isis). Followed by Russia/EU defence joint operations in Ukraine and an end to Nato.
Note all the above implies a similar anti-Putin/Russia rhetoric to the one we have. Indeed it is much easier to explain US and Nato generals rabbitting on about the Russian threat if they don’t believe a word of it than if they did.
Is this a provocation? Well the US troops openly in Ukraine doing the training of both government and Nazis have probably been sizing up both sides ahead of an expected confrontation.
So yes. But it is more about the damage the Nazis might do to the west than a defence of Poroshenko.
American dissenters tend to be irrationally exuberant about European wisdom. Try to find a daily paper in GB or France that gives a fair hearing to Novorossiya. Public opinion is as ignorant in Paris as in New York.
There is one friendly but hardly read daily in Italy and two others in Germany, both communist papers.
The Europeans have played their full part in the MH17 frame-up; their eagerness to attack Libya, Mali, Syria, Yemen, and Lebanon has been an inspiration to Samantha Power, Susan Rice, and Victoria Nuland.
Ditto!
There is no hope the Europeans, especially the Germans, will come to their senses.
Ditto, can confirm this here from Germany.
Maybe <= 20% of the population are seeing what happens, the rest: stupid hhaharrrrhahahah-zombies!
And we cannot do much against the ruling class, as long as not more than these 20% are finally waking up. No way!
Folks are too busy trying to pay their bills, watching Propaganda-TV or ranting against the evil communists (in former Western Germany).
Either Michael D has never been to the EU, or his life is a few ounces too optimistic.
FWIW, I can add a vicarious confirmation to this dismal assessment.
My expatriate (US citizen) brother lives in France, and in the course of his work meets people from various EU nations.
Since the Ukraine crisis began, he has lamented that, in general, his colleagues and the Europeans he meets have uncritically accepted the Western hegemony’s “Cold War 2.0” rhetoric, especially demonizing Putin and characterizing the Russian government as predatory and expansionist.
Since he’s more moderate than I, he was surprised and horrified that EU mass-media organizations have more or less faithfully echoed and promulgated the US-led Western infoganda campaign. As he put it, “‘Even the BBC’ is pushing this hysterical, sensational garbage– and people here are eating it up!”
I know this is “anecdotal”, and of course one’s impressions of a general trend are conditioned by one’s idiosyncratic social contacts. But I know that my “source” is truthful and normally optimistic, so when he despairs I know it’s not just reflexive cynicism.
“Putin responsible for Ukraine violence caused by anti-Putin forces, Nicholson says”
http://www.vancouversun.com/News/canada/Putin+responsible+Ukraine+violence+caused+anti+Putin+forces/11333110/story.html
It began in Kiev and it will end in Kiev.
The US needs to bring firefighters and fire engines, and water trucks to Kiev. The place will be burning down before it all ends.
Only fire can drive out the vermin and purify the city.
When a ‘magician’ pulls a rabbit out of his/her hat, I shouldn’t be astonished at seeing the animal, I should be wondering how that person distracted me to such an extent, that I didn’t see the actual trick…
if you go to live leak, there is a vid clearly showing the grenade thrower in slow mo.
some one put this on youtube so it cane be dloaded:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=206_1441053594
Tyanbok speaking to Sich in ukrainian.
someone translate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DbCjEUsE4OY
You can activate auto-detected subtitles on this clip.
Then set “translate” and choose English.
It’s not a very usable translation, but enough to understand what he is talking about.
Good article,that has been my “take” on this from the start.Also remember (I think it was on RT) that this Igor Gumeniuk has ties to the Interior Ministry (Avakov).How convenient that is,similar to the murderers of Buzina also having ties to Avakov.He seems to “attract” some interesting associates.Though it at least makes them easier to catch, when he wants too.He just has to look among his “colleagues”.
That is one possibilty. The other is that this is the moment we had been waiting for 1 1/2 years. This “Maidan Coalition” of EU flag-waiving students seeking a career in the West and Anti-EU Right Sector, of Anti-Semites of Svoboda grade with jewish oligarchs, has the stability of highly enriched Uranium under heavy neutron bombardment. So far it was russiophobia and “Evil Putin” that provided the glue and paint to hold it together, but we knew it was going to blow up one day.
And the SBU can be very quick sometimes: remember MH17 when they identified the murder weapon and the culprit while the wreckage was still smoldering?
Haha,I figure you were being sarcastic with that last part (I hope you were,lol).I do agree with the other though.The alliance of two opposites with only Russophobia in common is hard to sustain.
So funny :-)
I still wonder if Poro is manipulating events and seeking any reason in any way in order t justify bringing in martial law…………cos things will only get worse in the winter…….
WASHINGTON: ‘We need to support the moderate terrorists against the extremist terrorists in our struggle against the the Evil Dictator.’
Sounds a bit like… Syria.
Dear Saker and honorable community,
How to “read” moving-images like this one (first 3 basic steps):
1) Download the video to your computer (find a high resolution version if available on youtube, liveleak, or else).
2) View the the footage several times in full screen mode. Concentrate first in the centre of the action, then play it again concentrating in the environment/people around.
3) Now play it in slow-motion, and for the more revealing parts stop the movie and play it frame-by-frame — forward and backward — stopping it in the frames that you want to analyse with still-image time and detail.
What I can conclude with reasonable certitude is that we are seeing an entire military/paramilitary (subversive) unit at work:
— The guys with the backpacks and nursing masks, that includes the grenade thrower, are the Action-Team.
— Some guys around, some with sticks and nursing masks, are the Security-Team. We can see them clearly. They secure:
An open space (circle-of-action) and guarantee that nobody interfere/oppose, try to stop, the Action-Team. They provide also cover (a physical barrier of dissimulation), and also secure the escape for the Action-Team if necessary, by creating violence and confusing. Note that they have no backpacks — nothing incriminating.
I would risk a team of something like 10 are operating in that spot, some visible in the footage, some not.
Who they are? hard to say, but definitely they have military or paramilitary training.
So, at this point we can conclude that it was not the action of a lonely-wolf crazy, but rater a premeditated and organised operation of a military/paramlitary group.
We know that the AngloZionist Hydra own both cards — the Rada politicians with the police and the so called far-right nationalist organisations —, and that she will play both cards against each other if it serves her game.
What was the objective of this action and who will gain from is matter of political analysis that will point to the culprit.
Can I be wrong?
Cheers
Euroymous, do you think the police are all paid ops of the US ? I guess those police in the Maidan were Beruits ? Spelling ? From Crimea. They were the ones that were so honorable and so damaged by the trained Orange Revlolutionists.
Ann, I’m afraid I can’t understand your question, or even if it is in your comment some question for me to try to answer. Please be kind to clarify it for me. Cheers
Tahnybuk, leader of Svoboda, was there in the thick of it. He was (or maybe just his minders were) laying in to the police men guarding the Rada. The protestors were mainly flying Svoboda flags with just a few Pravy Sektor flags flying. Maybe it was also attempt to discredit Tahnybok specifically.
Various opinions;
“Former Ukrainian lawmaker Vadim Kolesnichenko underscored that the US was content with Poroshenko, but his time in politics is running out.
“The US appointed Poroshenko because he was the least ambitious of all the ‘opposition politicians’ who were running for president. During his term, Poroshenko has doubled his wealth. Despite the constitutional requirements, he has not sold his assets and he is still the head of a corporation. Poroshenko realizes his political career would be short,” Kolesnichenko told to Sputnik Radio.
“Poroshenko was given some time to make money, but there is nothing for nothing. Poroshenko is personally responsibility for the blood and the military operation in Donbass. However, he would not be able to make a choice to resolve the situation,” he added.
According to him, Poroshenko has completed his mission and now the US is preparing a candidate to replace him.
“The US is considering two people to replace Poroshenko – Valentin Nalivaichenko, former head of the Ukrainian Security Service, and Sergei Levochkin, former chief of staff for [toppled Ukrainian president] Viktor Yanukovych. Both are in good standing with the US State Department,” the politician said.
He also added that Poroshenko has little support in Ukraine and there is a growing number of those who are discontent with his political course.
© SPUTNIK/ ANDREI STENIN
“In Autumn, the Verkhovna Rada [Ukrainian Parliament] plans to impeach Poroshenko. In addition to the situation in Donbass, Ukraine has seen other problems, including the Rusyn issue in the Zakarpattia Region,” Kolesnichenko said.
Commenting on the settlement in eastern Ukraine, he hypothesized that Poroshenko’s encirclement would not let him stop the war.
“Maybe, Poroshenko would like to stop the war, but his encirclement is against peace. Two-thirds of the Rada lawmakers are hawks and those who make money on war. Thus, Poroshenko cannot stop the war in Donbass, it is not his prerogative,” Kolesnichenko said. ”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150830/1026373074/us-considering-replacement-for-poroshenko.html#ixzz3kaQxZtie”
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“If parliament does not accept proposals on restructuring Kiev’s debt, a default will be declared, Ukraine’s finance minister said.
KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukraine will be forced to declare a default if its parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, rejects proposals on restructuring parts of the country’s public debt, Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko said Wednesday.
“In this case, a default will be declared,” Jaresko told Ukraine’s Apostrophe news website.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150902/1026492580.html#ixzz3kaRqFujX
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“Ukraine’s new military doctrine went as far as referring to Russia as Kiev’s archenemy. Up until now, not a single similar document Ukraine adopted since gaining independence made such claims. The country’s National Security and Defense Council is currently reviewing the draft which is later expected to be signed by Poroshenko.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150902/1026490959/poroshenko-russia-wwii-yatsenyuk-nazi.html#ixzz3kaSBtp6A
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“Opinion polls show that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians want a peaceful solution to their conflict.
© SPUTNIK/ MIKHAIL PALINCHAK
The elite that now governs them, which came to power as a result of the February 2014 coup, does not.
The country’s President will not even defend the peace plan he signed from attack by violent extremists. Instead he goes on television and boasts of how he has undermined it.
In such a situation prospects for a peaceful solution to the conflict look hopeless, whilst the collapse of the government’s support and authority — making it unable to maintain order — is a harbinger of the chaos that is now coming.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20150901/1026428342.html#ixzz3kaSVvYfh
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“The Ukrainian government, sponsored by the EU and the US, is about to collapse. Although the West has invested billions over the last months to help Ukraine overcome the economic crisis, the situation in the country is worse than ever, DWN wrote.
For the first time in six months the parties of the conflict took a break amid the start of the new school year. The armed clashes stopped, but how long the peace will last is unclear, the newspaper reported.
For President Petro Poroshenko the ceasefire in Donbass is the only bright moment, as the political situation in Kiev becomes increasingly unstable.
© SPUTNIK/ NIKOLAY LAZARENKO
Poroshenko Loses Control Over Anti-Russian Front – German Media
The US and the EU have to now closely keep an eye on the chaos unfolding in the country they have been financing for the last several months. The bloody violence with gunfire and explosions in the center of Kiev revealed a huge split in Ukrainian political circles and left the country in a state of shock.
The constitutional reform introduced by Poroshenko provoked resentment and fierce protests among Ukrainian right-wing forces that went out of control months ago.
Many pro-Western deputies, including former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, do not support the constitutional reform.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150902/1026489844/west-ukrainian-government-collapse.html#ixzz3kaTFGfp2
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“The West, primarily the United States,** in recent months has been demanding that President Petro Poroshenko have such provisions passed. The vote on Monday is a step in the right direction: the eastern Russian-speaking regions will have more prerogatives. But it is not sure that will put an end to the hostilities that in two years have killed nearly 7,000 people. Actually, never have the Kiev authorities agreed to sit at the negotiating table with the separatists.
One may question the ability of the self-proclaimed republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, but it doesn’t all depend on the East: In Kiev, the nationalists are trying to derail the project. This is the case of two members of the ruling coalition, including former Prime Minister, oligarch, and former muse of the Maidan movement Yulia Tymoshenko, or still more the leader of the Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko”
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/verkhovna-rada-inside-votes-outside.html
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“The news of the beating of Polish fans in “brotherly” Kiev has become the number one topic in the Polish media and social networks. The Poles state that between them and the Ukrainians – the abyss that has no chance of overcoming.
Kiev incident forced the Poles even realize that Russia is much closer to them than the savage Ukraine. ”
http://novorossia.today/kiev-incident-forced-poles-to-realize-russia-is-closer-than-savage-ukraine/
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“Lugansk, police asked the representatives of the OSCE mission to respond to the facts of provocation by militants from the Ukraine, which took place on the night of September 1. This was announced today at a briefing in LuganskInformTsentre deputy chief of staff of the People’s Militia Corps Colonel Igor Yaschenko LC.
“Command of Armed Forces of Ukraine, despite repeated statements by Kiev of the ceasefire on the contact line between the parties, on the night of September 1, made repeated attempts to commit a provocation near the village of Suhodol and Trinity” – he said.
“Noted the nomination of tanks APU in the direction of the contact line and the firing of guns tanks of its territory. In addition, the Crimean village is marked by small arms firing between units APU, “- said Yaschenko.
“This information is recorded and transferred and the data transferred to the provocations of the Joint Center for Coordination and Control for investigation and response” – he said.
“Command of the People’s Militia LC drawn with these facts to the OSCE and asked to respond,” – said the People’s Militia zamnachshtaba.”
http://www.anna-news.info/node/42060
google translate
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I see that last point you posted as a real problem (not that some of the others aren’t too).Not actually being there its difficult to know for sure.But by allowing the junta forces to advance into the demilitarized zone,without stopping them,would seem to be a horrible idea.It allows them to get closer to you.And allows them to fortify that area more.Which will make it harder to get it back if you need to fight for it.Trying to “prove” you are keeping to the Minsk agreement is good of course.But never if it harms your security should it be permitted.There seems a disconnect between what Russia wants in the area,and what the Donbass needs.In a case like that it should always fall to the local people to serve their interests first.And any leaders that can’t or don’t do that, would need to be replaced.No matter how Russia takes that.In a case like that an appeal to the masses of pro-Donbass people in Russia would be called for.So they can convince their government that not following through with supporting the interests of their brothers in Donbass is not a good option for them to make.The last poll I saw in Russia on the subject was something on the order of 34% wanted full support for Donbass,and 66% ranged from a tiny few wanting to stay out of it.To a mass group,wanting aid,but not troops.With only around 5% thinking Donbass should go back to Ukrainian rule.And almost none of even those thinking that way if it was under the junta.This struggle for Ukraine is the defining moment of the Putin era.The kind of moment in history that makes or breaks governments.From what I see of politics in Russia today.The tiny pro-Western section is almost dead.They and the equally,or even more tiny pro-nazi sections are the only ones supporting the junta in Ukraine (some oligarchs as well).The huge mass of the population range between all sides of the patriotic elements.From the left to the right they all support the anti-fascists in Ukraine.With the 2018 elections coming up,the question of who “lost Ukraine” is not one any incumbent government wants to explain to a patriotic population.
Well Saker if it is a PSYOP¨it is one of the most poorly thought out one from what I can gander from the history of PSYOPs from wikipedia….
yes not a scholarly research by any extant more of refresher on the concept for moi.
Micheal D perhaps makes the best argument in his reply…except one does not get out of a conflict that major imperialist powers are trying to stabilize with lots of money, not to mention military hardware that they have given to many of these Nazi freaks that have been integrated into the state, by having those freaks turn on those tasked with stabilizing the situation.
In fact from the poorly thought out nature of this PSYOP I would most certainly think that this “PSYOP” is the work of the Nazi’s themselves who in my cursory research came across Adolphs fondness and admiration of the British use of it against the Germans in WW1…
Also one should not confuse aggressive intelligence operations with defensive intelligence gathering and misplacing where they respectfully belong, indeed the Ukrainian security services no doubt played very little role in finding the suspect, rather it has the omnipotent CIA and various american security services and technology that has no doubt identified and compiled the potential troublemakers on the right and has merely passed this info along in very,very short order.
The only way the u.s and eu can wash themselves of the situation is through a modicum of peace with a contained low level of violence in the east to help reinforce their propaganda that it is all Russia’s fault, having the problems come from the forces that made up Maidan, now that has the potential for a real political meltdown with the awkward bi-partisan support and interest in this conflict within the ruling circles of the u.s, while such instability merely adds to the woes that the eu is already facing socio-economically.
The only angle I can see for american PSYOPS with such potential for instability that it is an attempt to leave behind a disaster that gets worse over time for Russia and the eu to cleanup ergo as part of an attempt to destabilize the multi-polar economic machination of the brics and hobbling europe to the u.s. economically.
But unlike fomenting counter revolutions in South America, NATO has invested too much public and material support for the current Ukrainian government, they would be invariably drawn into trying to cleanup the mess (before a new political leader takes over and can justify such a radical change in course in leaving the ukraine to “their own device”), indeed as I have already highlighted they are most certainly trying to clean up after the ukies right now even at this early stage.
In a certain sense it would be better for murica if the Novorossiyan forces were surrounding Kiev at this point then having the freaks they have been arming starting to turn on each other, that would provide good partisan ammunition in an presidential election season.
Yes the economic returns on such a crazy stunt would have to greatly out way the political embarrassment for NATO and the u.s to walk away from one of their major pet projects that go into dis-array precisely because of the forces they supported.
Reading the MSM one would never have known the legislation was “hollow”. Thank you, Saker!!
A video taken at the protest showing someone handing out cash to people. The article asks the question – were people paid to attend?
http://novorossia.today/were-the-protesters-paid-to-storm-the-parliament-in-kiev-video/
Could all be smoke and mirrors for the last push, Porky passes a law the Nazis don’t like then they push through any weak points in the front they have found over the summer (most likely a caudron waiting to snap shut behind them) Then Porky can play the good guys and blame the glorious hero’s.
I think Mubarek tried to use similar scams in Egypt. He tried to argue that the Arab spring threatened Egypt with anarchy.
Saker, are you saying that the extreme Right Sector is US security forces ? And Svoboda too ? Hmm. How does the States manage all these devils ? Its unbelievable. But yes. They do it with ISIL so I guess they’re using the exact same strategy with RS…but I was under the impression that RS was ‘for real’ Ukrainian nationalists.
So if US pulled the plug on RS and Sveboda…all those nationalists would ‘go home’ ?
Poroshenko might well wind up living in New Jersey, or perhaps central Canada, to keep fomenting his deranged ideas among his colleagues. Well, the USA welcomed Nazis after WWII, why not Ukranian ideologues in the aftermath of this war, thanks to Nudelman and her ilk. And thanks to you, Mr. Obama, too!
I think sometimes people can be too quick to blame everything as a US psyop. To me it seems perfectly believable that one of these crazies would throw a grenade at the self-declared “police”. After all, it was okay to kill the police when Yanukovych was in charge, why not now? There have been several other similar cases. Not everything is a conspiracy, although there certainly are many real ones in Ukraine at the moment. Just my two (declining in value) Euro cents.