Posted by Amarynth for the Saker Blog
… kept the real goodies for this day, a day after the talks.
The news is breaking now. Medinsky says in a presser with Rossiya-24 broadcaster, that for the first time, Kiev is ready to fulfill the key demands from Russia.
These stories are still in development both on RT and on Sputnik. I quote from RT:
“Yesterday, for the first time, the Ukrainian party announced, not only orally but also in written form, that it’s ready to fulfill a number of the most important conditions for building normal, and, hopefully, good-neighbourly relations with Russia in the future.
Let me remind you that after the 2014 coup d’état in Ukraine Russia has been making these demands to the Kiev regime, to its patrons, especially the United States, for years. Russia proposed negotiations, proposed to conclude various kinds of agreements that were supposed to guarantee Ukraine’s security and provide Russia’s national interests in this area.
All these demands had been ignored for years. And the North Atlantic Alliance has also been creating an anti-Russian foothold from Ukraine, more precisely, from Ukrainian territory, for years.
Ukraine’s entry into NATO, the creation of NATO military bases on its territory seemed to be a settled issue. It was a matter of time.
I’ll note, and this has already been proven, that there were also efforts on creating biological weapons. Moreover, the issue of Ukraine’s acquisition of nuclear weapons was also made public knowledge.
All these years, the Kiev regime has carried out an open genocide against the residents of Donbass. There’s a lot of evidence for this. There’s irrefutable evidence that Kiev was planning to launch an offensive against Donbass in the near future. In that case Russia would have had to stand up for tens and tens of thousands of our Russian citizens living there anyway.
Under these circumstances, Russia was forced to launch a pre-emptive special military operation.
Yesterday, for the first time in all these years, the Kiev authorities declared that they are ready to negotiate with Russia and conveyed the provisions of a possible future agreement, which states the following:
• the refusal to join NATO, fixation of Ukraine’s bloc-free status;
• the renunciation of nuclear weapons;
• an obligation to conduct troop exercises only with the consent of the guarantor states, which must include Russia.
That is, Ukraine stated that it’s ready to fulfill these demands that Russia has been insisting on all these years.
If all these obligations are fulfilled, the threat of creating a NATO bridgehead on Ukrainian territory will be eliminated.
That’s why it’s so important to agree upon this treaty at the highest level.
However, the negotiations and our work continue.
I’d like to stress that Russia’s position regarding Crimea and Donbass remains the same.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/552987-top-russian-negotiator-ukraine-peace-deal/
A reminder of Lavrov’s talks with the Serbian Media
💬 FM Sergey Lavrov: What matters the most right now is to stop indulging the Ukrainians who want to use talks and solutions as a smokescreen. They have succeeded in this posture when they derailed the Minsk Agreements immediately after signing them in February 2015. In the end, they said that they refused to fulfil them. We know how good they are at pretending to be involved.
This time, they will not get away with it. We need to make sure that the talks yield results, and once they do, the Presidents will formalise them.
(Excerpt from the Minister’s interview (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1806841/?lang=en) with the Serbian media, Moscow, March 28, 2022)
There is of course another piece of news widely reported, and I quote from Pepe Escobar (in true Escobar style) Telegram channel:
DOMINUS VOBISCUM
The Vatican Bank used 10 million euros to BUY RUBLES from the Russian Central Bank so they could pay for their gas.
They followed the instructions by the Russian Federation government to the letter.
If this multinational organization In Nome del Padre, Figlio & Spirito Santo can do it, why not some bloody Germans?
The last sentence from the RT report bears a lot of weight :
“…I’d like to stress that Russia’s position regarding Crimea and Donbass remains the same.”
So, the Russkies trust Zel-baby and the Nazis farther than they can throw them?
..looks like Zel- baby days are …numbered…
I am sure his clowning days are not over yet
He’ll be funny when they slip the noose over his head… only, nobody will laugh.
Germany would like desperately NordStream2 and Russian gas in any currency. The EU following Britain and NATO and German Politico’s who proclaim to be ‘in-sync”, so far are blocking.
Something has got to tear … Do I hear a giant ripping sound, or is it just the cashiers till bell?
Apart from pledging to not join NATO (or other military alliances) and non-nuclear status, it seems that everything else is just kicking the can down to road and wait for future conflict (or regime change in Russia, etc.) Waiting 10-15 years to resolve disputes… Well, Minsk agreements were
supposed to do exactly that.
Apart from territorial issues, guaranteeing Ukraine’s security will be hard. How can Russia agree to
UK/Turkey/Israel/US,etc. be a guarantor of security? Isn’t that exactly what got us to this
point?
First of all:
Russia needs to back up the forces fighting in Mariupol, to end the NAZI forces in that city.
Take a look at this report: https://southfront.org/exclusive-dpr-special-forces-soldier-reveals-situation-in-mariupol-as-it-is/
The eradication of the NAZI hotbed in Mariupol is essential for the success of the future Russian campaign, and the success of the peace negotiations.
Medinsky says: “That’s why it’s so important to agree upon this treaty at the highest level”.
My Comment: That is not for you Medinsky to decide. So stick to your mandate.
The current fixation on Ukraine not joining NATO is a trap set for Russia.
What if NATO splits and the European Nations of NATO all joins the EU Army.
Or if NATO changes its name.
Then NATO will only be a British-American-Canadian alliance. Or NATO will cease to exist.
However the threat toward Russia will follow the former NATO nations into the new alliance.
That is why Ukraine must stay Neutral without having Nuclear, Biological or Chemical weapons, just like Finland and Sweden.
Secondly: Kiev and Odessa must fall and be delivered into the hands of a Russian aligned new Nation.
A Novo Russia must be build out of the Ukrainian Regions, east of the Kiev – Odessa Highway.
In all of this horror, Pepe Escobar shines a little joy:
“If the Vatican in the Nome del Padre, Figlio & Spirito Santo can buy Russian Rubles to buy Russian gas, why not some bloody Germans”?
DOMINUS VOBISCUM Pepe.
Agreements can easily be broken and the news about the Vatican are too good to be true, id est fake news (where is the source?).
This article claims that it was a joke:
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/No-The-Vatican-Is-Not-Paying-For-Russian-Gas-In-Rubles.html
I don’t know what to think….
It must have been a joke and/or fake news. Russia does not control the pipelines through Italy and only about 28% of Italy’s gas comes from Russia.
As I understand international gas contracts, they are conducted by private corporate entities, but subject to any umbrella trade agreements of the host nation. The Vatican would have to buy gas from an Italian pipeline company.
Also: The Pope/Vatican doesn’t like Orthodx Russia very much, to say the least, so it would have been a real surprise if they would be the first…..
What of those guarantor provisions that create a 15 yr de facto article 5 without the NATO part? Will Russia accept US security guarantees for Ukraine?
Russia is done with the West, and do not want them in any negotiations which is needed to establish guarantee as posible signatory. It will never happen, the way I see it, is that this will not end until there is total capitulation and that will only happen if Kiev is taken in the future and Russias troops are mobilizing towards Lviv, and even then maybe Russia will have to take Lviv as well. If this happens, Ukraine would probably partitioned in 2 to 4 pieces. Kharkiv, Transnitaria (Odessa and Kherson and south west of Odessa), eastern Ukraine (Kiev and south ok Kiev and north of Kherson and Odessa up to Galicia) and Western Ukraine (Galicia). Most blue and yellow Ukranians and Nazis, by that time would already have fled to ”Weatern Ukraine” or as refugees, which is a good thing.
Partitioning will allow Moscow to put friendly governments in all the other Republics. It will also allow Moldova break away transnitaria to be recognized, specially if thee is an ascension of Moldova to the EU and be annexed to “Greater Transnitaria” or if you want to call it “greater Odessa” and solve one problem, that has no current solution. This will also allow those republics to be annexed in the future by Russia when they develop as independent nations, or form a Federation, the Federation of Ukraine. “Long live Ukraine” for the great federation an “Glory to Ukraine” (glory in garbage) for the Nazis and poles that would inhabit rhe “Republic of Ukraine” or “Western Ukraine”.
Of course Russia will have to “impose” constitutional guarantees in “Western Ukraine” of neutrality, prohibiting block ascension, hate symbols and participation of extreme right wing individuals from any government activity, position or election. As well as Limits of armament procurement by type and quantity. If they do not comply they Can be put under strict military occupation, without any imports, exports except from Russia, closed borders, and curfews.
So this is what Pope Francis really meant by ‘consecrating Russia and Ukraine’ , later walked back to merely the entire world , on the Fatima Feast? The original Fatima pleaded for Russia to fix its ways in WWI.
Could hard cash heal the great Schism of 1100?
Problem is since then most of Germany is Protestant – maybe Catholic Bavaria will step first to the plate?
“If this multinational organization In Nome del Padre, Figlio & Spirito Santo can do it, why not some bloody Germans?”
Maybe the Germans have been ordered not to.
It begins to look like the 40,000 US troops flying into Ramstein are actually a message to Berlin, not Russia or Poland?
Germany is basically still occupied. Only persistent gas-station prices will force this issue out into the open. The portmonnae effect, or my wallet in the US.
⚡️Putin and Scholz agree to have experts from both nations further discuss transition period for gas purchases with rubles during phone call Wednesday (TASS)
Anyway denied :
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/No-The-Vatican-Is-Not-Paying-For-Russian-Gas-In-Rubles.html
Was it a prank?
Considering that gas & oil resources are one of the biggest engines in propelling s country’s GDP, naturally, this US website is going to immediately deny the Telegram news as authentic.
I expect the Vatican is fully on board with globohomo, so I wasn’t really expecting them to accede to Russia’s request if the rest of the EU isn’t.
Has the same feel as Syria. We need a few weeks to lick our wounds and further starve the civilians we refuse to release. After 8 years of lying, now you can believe us.
Seems this really puts the lie to the serious defeats the Russians have been suffering. After 8 years their first clear victories would have them dictating not acquiescing.
Went and saw some of the footage of bodies yesterday. Never much of a fan or horrible gore. They all seemed to share a look of all this time it seemed certain this was the right track. Now my time has come and it is not very glorious at all, where is the reset button?
It seems it all could come down to the books we read as a child. It seems a precarious state of affairs, as in the ever increasing state of censure, one may not have much choice.
While I understand that Russsia had to do its ‘pre-emptive special military operation” to prevent a massacre in the Donbass I have never understood the Ukranian position regarding Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea. As I understand it these areas were all added on to the Ukraine and historically were always part of Russia. The Ukrainians (and I mean the Galicians, western Ukranians) seem to want to control all of this artifical entity (current Ukraine) when it is not Ukranian at all, speaks Russian, identifies as being Russian and after 8 years of genocidal bombing will never be Ukranian and want to be fully integrated into Russia.
It seems that Ukraine will be permanently dismembered with the historic Russian regions clamouring to return to their motherland and a rump state left comprising of Galicia.
Living in Ireland, it is disappointing that Ireland is is not neutral, is expelling Russian diplomats and is backing the Empire of Lies and unfortunately is now a part of it. Biden clamoured for regime change in Russia. Biden stole the election in the US and should be indicted for multiple offences. We need regime change in the US – desperately. More generally, we need regime change in the West and certainly in Ireland. The Empire of Lies is drowning in a swamp of its own making.
Eire has it’s very own brand – leprechaunazi’s. In 1934 they were called Duffy’s Blueshirts, today called Fine Gael. A kind of Troll.
Leprechaun’s have a bad reputation – they were green because of copper mining, short and stocky to get through narrow tunnels. When they were not paid they took children as hostages.
Eire’s current neutrality, and a UNSC seat for a year is a great opportunity to put a proposal for a new security architecture before the Council, if they stand tall, and not be leprechauns :
Convoke an International Conference to Establish A New Security and Development Architecture for All Nations
https://schillerinstitute.nationbuilder.com/convoke_an_international_conference_to_establish_a_new_security_and_development_architecture_for_all_nations
And by the way Eire should remember what is is like to have their language banned, children with a neck pendant counting ever mention of a word of Gaeilge – Kiev outlawed Russian in Donbass schools in 2019.
There is a day of reckoning coming for the leprechaunazi’s.
How much choice do EU member states actually have?
Hungary is the only one that announced that it’ll not allow weapons transport over its
territory, but what about sanctions? Are they still honoring all the sanctions that
EU enacted?
Ivan,
How much choice do EU member states actually have?
None!
That ‘s what the fiscal rules and treaties and giving up your own currency is all about. It is economics of control.
In true Orwellian fashion the 4 freedoms are really 4 prisons.
The only change the Irish have ever managed the whole time they have been members in the undemocratic and Technocratic Brussels is ban smoking in pubs.
The liberals in Ireland shout about how progressive they are.
Ireland is not part of NATO at least I believe?
Correct, it’s theoretically a neutral state. During the Cold War, Shannon Airport handled traffic between the USSR and Cuba.
NONE of these EU nations have any sovereign rights. None. This is especially true of Ireland because the US Financial Market has a very firm grip on Irish banks, bankers, hedge funders….the list is endless. For years, the US has bought off every Irish politician, bankster, and anyone else in the financial/corporate world. It is the US who is blocking any/all efforts in allowing Ireland to develop into a “neutral country.”
Dublin is the City of London’s cats paw in the EU, Brexit be damned.
Russia must insist on full regime change, or some kind of Nuremberg trials, or else the Russian speakers in the cities outside of Donbass will be massacred after the peace treaty is signed.
That’s what worries me it looks like it is already happening. See this euphemistic article in the neocon London Times –
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukrain-town-roots-out-russian-speaking-pro-putin-traitors-hvz7k9sct
There will be trials. How, I don’t know but the Russian MFA did not only allude to that, but said so openly.
Bad choice. We have already experienced how a farce those kind of trials always are, from Nurnberg to Hague. Guns are fair, trials are not.
That’s the Nazi way….. There will be no farce this time, because the evil empire isn’t involved.
Ukrainian promises is something we already had with Minsk agreements.
They were not respected then, they shall not be respected now.
So it useless. We can all pretend that Russia gained something, but Russia gained nothing until now. Sooner we face the reality the better.
Besides, the Ukrainian side says that the precondition for anything is withdrawal of the Russian army.
Um…why would the Russian central
Bank accept a currency it cannot use in exchange for its own gold-backed currency? Pepe being fake I think.
Percy,
The ruble is not a gold backed currency. Should NEVER be backed by any commodity.
It never worked and why everyone abandoned it after trying for decades to make it work.
What do you do with your foreign currency after you have been anywhere abroad ?
Mine normally gets thrown in the back of the drawer in my house.
Currency is created and then netted off, just like with payments. So really FX is just lots of people offering OTC contracts at a quoted price and you pick the one you like.
What that means is they can’t get roubles because the banks either won’t quote or can’t quote an exchange rate.
Remember that savings are an export product. The Europeans have decided they don’t want to export either savings or equipment to Russia, which means that the price of Russian Gas explodes in Euro terms as there is nothing going in the other direction.
It’s only because the Bank of Russia has been throwing the Euros in the metaphorical back of the drawer and giving Russian banks Roubles for them that the Rouble hasn’t ascended into the stratosphere before now.
That’s why I laugh when you hear commentators talking about the Russian ‘war chest’ or their ‘foreign reserves’. These aren’t valuable assets, they are the accounting effluent that arises from an export first policy.
And as we can see, cancellable at will by deficit nations.
You’ll find out on april’s fools day, looks kind of in a depression mode to me right now.
Washington! Pick up the phone, Moscow calling.
I truely hope, these are just the basic demands, based on Russias assumption, that EU and NATO fall upon an economic collapse.
Otherwise EU will ignore any of its own rules, incorporate the Ukraine on the spot, establish the planned EU-Army under kind advisory of the friendly empire.
There should be the right of every region,to decide on building its own sovereignity, all Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs have to stand trial and none is allowed to be activ in thefuture state. Most important will be, that war criminals will be handed over.
Those laid out demands so far, is there any mechanism known, through which the Ukraine will be held accountable?
Just a promisse and a signed paper sheet, won’t cut it.
The West and treaties – you turn around, and they stab you in the back.
I’m curious what more demands are on the table. Russia has to keep twisting arms.
Russia shouldn’t agree to anything with this regime. It should maybe give lip service to thinking about it while quickly taking over the rest of Ukraine. Any and all treaties and agreements with a NATO puppet like Ukraine will quickly be disregarded once they’re allowed to rebuild their forces. If Ukraine is allowed to exist after this operation it will definitely be used as a launching platform for NATO terrorist attacks and false flags.
What BS is that???Is this Medinsky on drugs? (e.g. Novishock) Lavrov’s talk included in the end of text says it all.!!!
Scott Ritter explains why Russia is going to win:
https://twitter.com/realGonzaloLira/status/1509142811781832707?s=20&t=sFUmPpBIDbDH7rhtxU5bJw
The proposed terms of an agreement include all the overtures of Zbigniew Brzezinski novel titled, The Grand Chessboard with out any deviation. Meaning, the pursuit of Full Spectrum Domination as explained by Halford Mackinder remains in the Empire of Lies bag of tricks.
The Empire will not accept that its Great Game is over unless it is forced against a Wall and pounded down as seen in Mariupol. It seeks to destroy as much territory even though it is loosing Human Lives. Human lives of which it has no respect or regard.
Because, Ukraine has elected Not to implement the Minsk Agreement, an agreement it negotiated and signed and lodged at the UN means that it can never, never be Trusted to enter into any agreement as it signature is worthless. It only understand the power of lethal Force.
The submitted proposals for Settlement has not accepted that NATO/Ukraine must change course. NATO, must now be expunged out of Russia/Ukraine. And, it NATO imagine the issue is over at the end of the Ukraine matter then, is will surprised with more to come. No Nation will be allowed to secure it self at the expense of other nations creating insecurity; there must be balance and if no balance then one party must seek balance liken to water seeking it own level.
I am very sceptical of this svada from the Russian Chief Negotiator…
Lets see Putins answer and instructions… they will I suppose be more level headed… I would think Russia has not sent in their military and accepted heavy losses including young soldiers being tortured some to death… for a pitance that this Ukraine proposal seems to be… at least to me.
What about the Denazification… and making sure this never happens again… !!!???
Ukraine’s statement scratches the surface of what is needed.
Three conditions:
1. Ukraine declare itself neutral and keep NATO/US out of Ukraine.
2. Ukraine recognize the two breakaway regions as separate republics.
3. Ukraine recognize Crimea as part of Russia.
These were the conditions on Day 1, reiterated two weeks later by Putin, and reiterated after that by Lavrov, and a lot of others.
Furthermore, Russia should expand into Novorossiya to whatever extent is feasible and practical, i.e., with the support of the citizenry.
Russia should just extend to Djnepr and Take Kiev, Odessa and landbridge with Transnistrië for good measure, the West has gine full mental and will want revenge sooner then later
If all these obligations are fulfilled, the threat of creating a NATO bridgehead on Ukrainian territory will be eliminated.
That’s why it’s so important to agree upon this treaty at the highest level.
The first sentence is utter nonsense and with the second, Medinsky is hinting, that these proposals are part of an actual treaty.
He kight be a technicaly good negotiator, but for sure, he should leave interpretation and commentation to people like Lavrov or Zarachova.
If you wanna make all supporters of Russia feel uneasy, world wide, then keep on letting this guy talk to the media.
Lavrov just gave an interview where he stated that is obvious even to the Ukrainians that Crimea and the Donbass are a done deal.
Sure, but that’s not the overall problem,since Russia already created facts.
The overall picture isn’t addressed sufficiently, NATO and EU in the Ukraine.
The current regime can’t be taken by its word and many people will suffer by ending the measures with leaving the power structure intact. The Nazis would go rampant in all regions outside the Western Ukraine.
If it is true that the Vatican used 10 million euros to buy Rubles from The Russian Central Bank, then who is to say, that the Germans, French & Other EU nations aren’t doing the same. :)
This may suggest that you can not ever trust the mainstream media in either the EU, nor in the US.
Do you see a denial from the Vatican? Well, they won’t because they’re trying to live without fossil fuels. In the mean time, the person that calls himself Pope and the others in red dresses will have a warm fannies :-)
Sources are good.
They all are coming to crawl back for Rubles. The whole sorry bunch of them. Germany is already crawling.
But this time, the tables are turned.
Lavrov having a lot of fun in China – saying major things.
Since when is The Vatican trying to live without fossil fuels?
We strongly suggest you read about the infamous Vatican Bank and its close ties to the US/EU Financial/Real Estate/Hedge Fund Markets
.
The Pope is a mere figurehead. Behind him stands the grossly corrupt Cardinals & The Vatican Bank.
We have nothing against Roman Catholicism, but if you look at its past for the last 1200 years, the Church has been playing hard-ball politics since medieval times.
Ask any informative Italian citizen. They can tell you horror stories.
Every westerner likes to count money, at the greasy till.
Scholz has another major headache – Germany, Auto AG, is at a standstill for lack of Ukrainian parts especially auto cable harnesses! And even if Rubles are paid, NordStream2 is still dead in the water.
It is high time for EU heads to talk physical economy and look at the BRI approach – which in fact the German Mittelstand is actually doing.
Putin’s economic advisor Glazyev fully understands physical economy and is in fact giving EU heads crash course!
Forwarded from
Jack Posobiec
BREAKING: Alexei Arestovich, adviser to Zelensky, argued that “international humanitarian laws or the laws of war don’t apply in this conflict” when discussing why the Ukrainian Armed Forces place military equipment in civilian areas, per WaPo
I wish the Ruskies would have told the Vatican to pound sand. Why reward those Marxists there in power with anything. They’d love to see Russia on its knees for several reasons.
However it’s delightful to see how hypocritical they are–as always. Hopefully this news will be spread far and wide.
I am shocked at the naivete in this Sitrep.
Puppet regime, unable to act in its own behalf. A corrupt, drug-riddled front man, a war criminal and monster is a ‘partner’ in a viable negotiation. While only half his army is destroyed and it will be months before the goal of the SMO is accomplished on that front.
Bizarre to cheer this on, unless you want the Russian Army to lose the war.
Russia will be left with a Ukraine as a terror force, 8 times larger than ISIS, was along a thousand mile border and along the border with Belarus, which Russia would have to defend from terror also.
No way do you win a military objective, accomplish your military goals, conclude the geopolitical aims by negotiating with psychopaths and sociopaths intent on your destruction by any means, any time in the future.
Ukraine will be the winner, NATO will be the winner and the US will be the winner.
We are supposed to believe that some sudden transformation has overcome the psychosis in Ukraine.
A St. Paul effect. On the road to complete destruction caused by their own 30 war with Russia, they reach sainthood and converted to trustworthy partners. Biblical Damascus 2.0
Symbolically, the treaty should be called the Damascene Accords. A wolfangle with a halo and doves above it, as icon.
Absolutely.
This Treason no-can-be!
Fire squad to be faced in due time …
Alright, this isn’t a treaty, although Medinsky makes it look like one and that is a big mistake.
You are definitively right, the Ukraine needs a clean sweep, nothing less.And if the citizens decide, to split it up into dozens of republics,so be it. Everything to make sure that people don’t have to live under one roof with those criminal Nazis.
The thought of a bigger Ukraine with the current ruling class, is a no.go.
Who do you think would be naive Larchmonter?
Medinsky?
Lavrov? or
Pepe?
People must think please, who this negotiation is actually with? The puppets at that table? I don’t think so. But, in negotiations, if you cannot be with the one you love, then you love the one you’re with and you use that conduit.
Stopping talks never stops a war. And this one will be stopped. How does everyone thinks this war will stop? With every Ukrainian dead? I hope not. That is the difference in thinking between accidental warmongers, not knowing what they are saying, and those that understand the issues around cessation of war. It starts with an agreement to stop firing, move the weapons away and talk to one another. There is no other way. This is not the west that bombs everything into dust, get on their helicopters and declare victory. These people actually appreciate the culture of most of those involved in what is essentially a ‘brotherly’ war. The western educated cannot wrap their minds around this.
One has to think back and understand that this is the very first response from the western climes on Russia’s demand for security guarantees. And again, the tables have turned. Now it is US/NATO making the concessions – even if they are lying. If Russia has to lay down a new history, she will do so.
Always take a look at who is behind the ones at the negotiating table. If one forgets that, well, what shall I say? As Martyanov talks about military issues, there are others that can talk about negotiation issues and what I will say, is that people are missing things if they stare themselves blind to surface issues. (Good Heavens, China stuffed them into re-education camps and switched over their brains).
I say again, if you forget who is behind the fool Ukrainian negotiators, you’re not seeing this play out properly.
But let me know who the naive is.
I’ll tell you all now, this is not going to flow according to your favorite theory.
> involved in what is essentially a ‘brotherly’ war
it sure is. if one likes a multi millenial take on how to handle this brother vs brother war, I suggest they crack open the westernized translation of the “Bhagavad Gita”
The Gita is set in a narrative framework of a dialogue between Pandava prince Arjuna and his guide and charioteer Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. At the start of the Dharma Yuddha (righteous war) between Pandavas and Kauravas, Arjuna is filled with moral dilemma and despair about the violence and death the war will cause in the battle against his own kin.[2] He wonders if he should renounce and seeks Krishna’s counsel, whose answers and discourse constitute the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna counsels Arjuna to “fulfill his Kshatriya (warrior) duty to uphold the Dharma” through “selfless action”.[web 1][3][note 1] The Krishna–Arjuna dialogues cover a broad range of spiritual topics, touching upon ethical dilemmas and philosophical issues that go far beyond the war Arjuna faces.
Hi Amarynth,
It takes a lot to turn the ever-sober Larch impatient. Maybe I can offer this small morsel. If these agreements are this divisive on the Russian side, then it will only incite the Ukrops into further self-destructive madness, and be even more divisive so. What will they do if some commanders further East to the ATO are supportive of this agreement so as to avoid total obliteration? We all know how they treat the so called “traitors” to the revolution. Will the ATO line be moved closer to Kiev, and all those East of that will be declared as “more separatist” and they will begin shelling their own Azov battalions that is in the cauldron? This cannot be. I also recall that Andrei is hesitant about a mini-banderastan in the West of Ukraine, but politically I think mini-banderastan is more of a liability for Europe than for Russia. Europe will switch to no longer covert support but outright support for Banderastan. It will become a political charade for Europe. With a mini-banderastan Russia can:
– Pass political liability to Europeans.
– Avoid prolonged military conflict in highly urban area with population that may or may not be supporting you after years of propaganda.
– Stop the killing of civilians in the donbass (like I said, will they start shelling anything east from Banderastan?).
– All Russian strategic interests is preserved (black sea).
– Just as banderastan is an “Anti-russia” the Donbass and Eastern regions will be incorporated, militarized and be strictly in Russian sphere of influence. The passive acceptance most Ukrainians have towards the banderists will hopefully evolve into an active anti-banderastan (Donbass) that Russia can use to strengthen its civilizational role in Asia and, just as Banderastan was used as a battering ram against Russia, Donbass can be used as a shield, to protect mother Russia. Moreover the Eastern regions will be revived and incorporated into the new silk roads, while the freaks in Banderastan will continue to consume themselves and look like the genocidal nazis they are in front of the European parliament while they beg for loans. Chinese rail will come to Novorossiya and Europeans will miss the ride.
– Force European politicians to admit that they will sacrifice even their own population, and side with nazis in mainland Europe, simply for geopolitical interests (American exceptionalism). This is anathema to any European leader with any clue about populism. While the rise of neo-nazism in Ukraine is definitely shocking since 2014 and earlier, I cannot believe that they will tolerate pictures of Bandera in the European parliament. It will be time, eventually, when the gas prices are too high, the population is too hungry, and some idiot from Kiev will be waving some black flags in Brussels that Europeans will finally wake up.
Sorry for the unorganized nature of my post, just some disjointed musings. I am not at all of Russian origin or relations, but my heart is with Russia.
For the rest of you, and especially you poor Andrei, who seem to have taken a beating by this information campaign and have lost hope, rest easy for words are simply words and actions are actions. I am one of the most bastardized minorities in the USA. Just the other day after paying my plumber $3500 I asked him what is the best Chinese food around town (new house), and he laughingly said to me, “I don’t know bud I don’t eat dog.” I had just paid the man! Of course, as I am well accustomed to, I heartily laughed along with him. Let the shit slide and don’t worry about it.
I believe fervently that Lachmonter is completely correct, and the negotiations just a ploy to bide more time by the western masters, but Russia replenishes their forces, and sees where best to penetrate further. They also keep bombing where they can, minimalizing civilian casualties, as much as possible.
As to why Medinsky is negotiating on behalf of Russia, and that woman (recommend by Putin) to keep her job as the head of the Russian bank is a mystery to me. Medinsky is clearly a Jew, and with all of them; loyalties lie elsewhere.
Putin clearly identified them as “scum & traitors”, and they are giving enough rope to hang themselves. I might be wrong, but I do not think so. The west thinks that the false negotiations they are prolonging is a sign of Russia weakening, but they already got the upper hand, in a country twice the size of Iraq, after 4 weeks of indicriminate bombing, and 200,000 NATO going in.
To those that don’t even know your recent murderous history, let alone your always evil past; go and watch your Netflix’s and Hollywood!
After maripauol, Odessa is next, and a land bridge secured,and Donbass territory back to it’s rightful position. They will be supported by the best Russian equipment, and the west will rot in hell, for America does not build, but only bomb.
In regards to the usual ” biily” commentary, I can only say that I see through him, and fully understand him. The throwing of foreign currency into his drawer meaning it’s value less, is something I used to do with American money, when I come back from many trips to the “god-bless”, except through the window.
The Russians have Cuba, Nicaragua and many other countries in the South to bask in the sun. They have the rest of the entire world to visit, excluding the “international community”. The Chinese will stop visiting the West, and will do likewise, as they always listen to their leaders, for they have put them where they are.
Amarynath, it’s suprises me that you would resort to China’s “concentration camps”, in this “snow nigger” defence against the ultra-white superior dominance. Maybe you should go on U-Tube ànd hear what lt-colonel Lawrence Wilkerson had to say about the reasons behind Afghanistan (2018), it was to supply terrorists to ferment unrest in the xingzan province. He was second in command to Powell, the “uncle Tom” who was forced to lie about weapons of mass destruction whatever….
To denigrate China is to hurt Russia, so leave racism out of this, and I am not Chinese!
I still think that the direction taken by Russian negotiators betrays the heroes who give their blood in the current fighting, as well as all innocent and soldiers who died since Feb 2014.
I do not care being labelled 6th (or even nth) columnist – same as most commenters in the Russian media sphere.
Nazi junta can’t remain in power, Ukrainian people now under Russian custody in Kherson Nikolaev Kharkov and Kiev regions cannot be abandoned defenseless at the hands of Ukro-Nazis murderous cocaine snorting punishers.
It would be a crime and even worse some terrible mistake even endangering Russian Federation in the short term, as such has to be called for what it is: Treason.
If the Vatican uses Euros to buy Rubles from the Russian Central Bank, and then uses the Rubles to buy the gas, how is this different from just buying the gas directly with Euros?
Doesn’t make any sense to me.
Antoinetta III
Who says Russia would exchange her rubles for euros at all?
If she does, then indeed, not that much of a difference (though still not the same as if the CBR had to buy rubles from itself exchangig euros for it).
The key issue is that Russia can’t do much , if anything, with those euros and hence rubles may have to be earned by hostile foreig nations going forward by delivering stuff to Russia, not worthless esperanto paper.
Either the Russian side has infinite patience or just hopeful not to fight anymore. What the Ukie’s are doing is nothing more than sh*t talking. This is your typical USA way of spinning the same nonsense in a different way.
Talking a lot and saying nothing to put it simply
I think Russia should just go for the jugular and get it done and a few Kinzal’s into Poland as well to keep them in their basements and tell NATO one’s coming to them wherever the are
All this Medinsky guy, Russian, son of Ukranian soil, the person who knows Ukraine best is acting like a 5th column participant
One thing the USA (Ukie’s) are winning is at the table and this sh*t talk is getting the Russian troops demoralized (like Kadirov says)
Time to stop it, unless it was a tactical move to ready up for phase-2
Ukraine exists as a physical place with “borders”, as shown on a map.
“Ukraine” can also be the population that lives on that physical place.
Ukraine terra firma cannot be moved anywhere.
“Ukraine” — a certain, shall we say, indefinite number millions of human beings (rapidly decreasing by the day) that live on the physical Ukraine could be, literally, packed up and moved to anywhere on the planet, as, over the years, many “Ukrainians” voluntarily have. Call them Ukrainian diaspora.
In 2014 an illegal coup took place in “Ukraine”. Much of “Ukraine”, including a relatively small numer of humans that make up “the government” and several hundred thousand that make up “the military” (people who together had great power over the rest of the population on that part of the globe), became, for all intents and purposes, US mercenaries.
In short, from Feb. 2014 to the present day, the US mercenary-nation of “Ukraine” did precisely what it was ordered to do by well-dressed human beings, several thousand miles away, who push paper in high offices of the US “government”. People in the latter say “jump” and people in the former say “how high?” As Arthur Jensen explained to Howard Beale in the increasingly relevant, classic movie “Network”, “That!….. is the atomic, and sub-atomic, and galactic structure of things (between “Ukraine” and the US) today!”
The signatures on Minsk II were not even worth the paper they were written on, and they will mean exactly the same on any paper treaty or UN-approved resolution that they appear on today.
With all of the above in mind, I have just one question for the microspic percentage of the population living on Russian terra firma that constitutes “Russia”. WTF aren’t you negotiating with “the US” — the “boss” of its “Ukraine” slave-mercenaries — rather than wasting time with absolutely anything “Ukraine”?! Or are you doing the latter precisely in order TO “waste time” — which, now that I think about it, might be a pretty-good-to-very-good strategy (as it was with what went on diplomatically between the Dec. non-ultimatims and Feb. 24 SMO) to continue the planned SMO while at the same time looking like a reasonable nation?
Today, one day before deadline Peskov commented on the timing of the transition to payment in rubles for Russian gas. The Kremlin representative explained that the new mechanisms WILL NOT start operating from March 31, this is a time-stretched process.
At risk of being branded or cancelled as 6th column i woud like to ask how to interpret this new announcement after the pompous announcement few days ago that unfriendly countries MUST pay in Rubel from tomorrow?
Another smart chess move nobody understands?
After what we’ve seen since 2014, I think it’s impossible to assign any value to something like a “Ukrainian pledge.” How much would such a pledge be worth?
I mean I’m sure even Jack the Ripper could be cajoled into making a pledge of good behaviour. But next time he finds himself in a dark alley with a knife in his pocket in front of a tempting victim, do you think his pledge would hold him back?
Arms have been flowing to the Ukraine for 8 full years. Nato has been training people how to use them for 8 years. The word “pledge” sounds almost like a joke in this context.
In 2014, right after the coup, Ukraine had practeically no army or equipment, and the nazi groups were manageable. In the ensuing confusion after the coup, Russia could have taken the whole country with relative ease, and the Ukrainian military command would probably have welcomed it.
Since then, the nazi rusophobic murderous thirst has been fed daily into people, especially into young males with no other prospects to have any kind of life.
So, seriously, does it look like it’s a good time to introduce the notion of “pledges” to fix this mess?
It sounds almost like asking Jack the Ripper: “Are you going to be a good boy from now on?”
Come on. Those guys are beyond reform.
P.S.
Also fitting in with Peskovs new announcement actuel news from sputnik that The President of the Russian Federation and the German Chancellor agreed that the transition to paying for Russian gas in rubles will be further discussed by experts from both countries.
Putin noted that the decision to pay for gas in rubles should not lead to a deterioration of contract conditions.
These lurching course will not help Gaining respect from Zone A
In other words, started out a tiger, but ended up a bedside rug.
We have little information. I believe Putin is gaining time in order to implement the mechanisms correctly. Or he made a good deal with Germany that will take Germany out of the naughty list.
I will wait and see.
What do you do with your foreign Currency after a visit abroad?
Mine normally ends up at the back of a drawer in my house.
Currency is created and then netted off, just like with payments. So really FX is just lots of people offering OTC contracts at a quoted price and you pick the one you like.
Remember that savings are an export product. The Europeans have decided they don’t want to export either savings or equipment to Russia, which means that the price of Russian Gas explodes in Euro terms as there is no Russian goods and services going back in the other direction. Due to the sanctions.
It’s only because the Bank of Russia has been throwing the Euros in the metaphorical back of the drawer and giving Russian banks Roubles for them that the Rouble hasn’t ascended into the stratosphere before now.
That’s why I laugh when you hear commentators talking about the Russian ‘war chest’ or their ‘foreign reserves’. These aren’t valuable assets, they are the accounting effluent that arises from an export first policy.
Normally the EU Gas Buyer pays Gazprom for their gas using Euros. The commercial bank the EU gas buyer uses takes the payment and transfers it to the Russian bank account of Gazprom.
Gazprom gets credited at the Rouble exchange rate quoted by the Russian bank and the Russian bank takes an FX position in Euros with the source EU bank.
The Russian commercial bank will want to get rid of the Euro position as soon as it can. Up to now that has been rectified by the Bank of Russia taking the Euros and holding them itself and throwing them In the back of the drawer.
In return the Bank of Russia credits the Russian commercial Bank with Rouble Reserves.
What this shows is that the Russian government’s demand that everything is paid in Roubles doesn’t actually alter anything because Gazprom is being paid in Roubles anyway. The gas buyer will still be paying with Euros, with the banks in between earning a fat fee for shuffling the paperwork.
commercial Banks in ‘non-hostile’ countries stand to make a lot of money. If you find out who they are can you please let me know. So I can buy some of their stock.
The Most IMPORTANT points missed by just about everyone when Putin said gas will be sold in rubles, mainly because of the complete fairy tales on the internet.
1. The Bank of Russia no longer offers to take Euros from Russian commercial banks and throw them in the back of the drawer.
2. That these banks are very risk averse and don’t want to hold open positions in foreign currencies. Then the exchange rate offered by the Russian banks will be the one that allows them to get rid of their Euro position.
3. Now that the Russian central bank refuses to accept them.
It has to be matched by a Rouble to Euro purchase going in the other direction. Except that sanctions mean little is currently going in that direction.
Could end up meaning eventually the EU can’t get roubles because the banks either won’t quote or can’t quote an exchange rate.
That’s a recipe for a very large appreciation in the value of the Rouble.
What Putin did with “gas for rubles” was Shift the exchange rate risk to the Europeans and at the same time strengthened the Ruble.
It was a master stroke.
Nothing to do with petro$ or other foreign exchange reserves fairy tales that clogs up the internet.
Putin has a pressure point and is squeezing it hard. Imagine if he decides to Shift the exchange rate risk to the Europeans on everything and not just gas.
I disagree for two reasons, at the same time that the gas for rubles thing was announced, it was also announced a one way peg of 5000 Rubles per gram of gold, establishing a base for setting price in rubles directly, without converting price From USD in to EUR in to Rubles, and now that many other commodities will be priced in Rubles, it creates the first step of erosion of the dollar, because this means that for the first time in a long time, the USD can be depreciated not only by inflation but also devaluation against other currencies. Before, the exchange rate might have fluctuated between pairs, but there was never any real devaluation, only inflation depreciation, since all prices were fixed in USD. This is a BIG game changer, because now if the The US treasury or the FED decide to “print” money, the USD will be subject to the same rules as with any other currency of market offer and demand. The more people want to buy in Rubles the greater the risk of devaluation there will be for the USD.
I agree that it is a big deal MARS. But not the way you think.
Let’s debate it. Debating is healthy .
“one way peg of 5000 Rubles per gram of gold”
Is just the same as swapping EUR for rubles.
Except the EU can’t run out of EUR but can run out of gold.
What’s Russia going to do with that gold ?
They’ll throw it in the back of the drawer. Like they did with the Euros.
Europe needs energy imports. Russia wants to get paid. Wanna bet they’ll work it out?
” it creates the first step of erosion of the dollar, because this means that for the first time in a long time, the USD can be depreciated not only by inflation but also devaluation against other currencies”
What does that even mean ?
It sounds as if you think strong is good and weak is bad.
A strong currency kills your exports for example.
” , it creates the first step of erosion of the dollar, because this means that for the first time in a long time, the USD can be depreciated not only by inflation but also devaluation against other currencies”
I’ll give you an example. Brexit
The £ fell from 1.55 to 1.18 that is what you call a devaluation of the £.
Who got hurt the most ?
The exporters to the UK got hurt the most. Irish mushroom farmers and beef farmers went bankrupt.
Why did it hurt exporters to the UK the most ?
Because the population in the UK only have a set amount of disposable income every month after they get paid.
If the £ falls and makes imports more expensive.What happens ?
When you only have a set income every month to buy your monthly shop. You buy cheaper alternatives. But more local cheaper produce. That helps the local economy where you live.
Meanwhile what has happened to the Exporter to the UK ?
They are losing their market share. A market share they have spent years to build up. So they have some tough choices to make.
a) Slash the wages they pay their workers
b) Slash the hours worked
c) Fire workers
d) Slash their prices
e) A mixture of the above
f) Go bankrupt like Irish and EU exporters did after the Brexit vote.
As soon as they do d) Slash their prices to try and save their market share.
The floating exchange rate adjusts the £ becomes stronger the Euro weaker.
The £ has been rising up from 1.18 ever sunce . When many looking at it from the wrong point of view said the £ was finished after Brexit.
It is Important and a big thing because the US will lose power and be unable to bully countries as much. But it won’t finish the $ or change what the US can do within its own borders.
Billy,
Thank you for taking the time to read my opinion, and respond. I agree, debate is healthy.
“ Is just the same as swapping EUR for rubles.
Except the EU can’t run out of EUR but can run out of gold.
What’s Russia going to do with that gold ?
They’ll throw it in the back of the drawer. Like they did with the Euros.”
Let me see if I Understand what you wrote here: Gold like currency has a subjective value such as any other currency, it’s denomination is just weight, so it is the same as EUR, so basically it is the same as hoarding or swapping one for the other.
In principal, I agree, we assign its value through the market, but my point here is, that you now have two commodities priced in Rubles, meaning you now have a basis for pricing other that USD, now the value of Gold is not only X Weight for Y amount of dollars exclusively, but also X weight for Z amount rubles, now there is another variable for pricing mechanisms.
Also You can always change the X weight to Z amount of Rubles ratio and then you never run out of gold.
“ It sounds as if you think strong is good and weak is bad.
A strong currency kills your exports for example.
” , it creates the first step of erosion of the dollar, because this means that for the first time in a long time, the USD can be depreciated not only by inflation but also devaluation against other currencies”
I’ll give you an example. Brexit
The £ fell from 1.55 to 1.18 that is what you call a devaluation of the £.
Who got hurt the most ?”
It depends on your deficit among other things, if your internal economy depends on the imports because of the deficit, then a weaker currency is definately a huge problem, if you are like China, that has a surplus, internal fixed pricing mechanisms, industry wide subsidies, then a devaluation of your currency will make you exports more appealing, and the damage to your internal economy barely noticeable, specially since it spurs growth to your industry, which impacts domestically, creating wealth.
When it is the case of countries with a huge deficit, like the US, the negative impact domestically can not be mitigated except by increasing interest rates, and absorbing money supply, to offset the market. This in principal will also create an erosion in the faith of the USD and it’s stability, which can only be offset, again with the same, increasing interest rates and decreasing money supply, at least until market stabilization is achieved. There are several examples like Mexico a couple of times, Greece with Drachma. Before the USD was not susceptible because like I wrote before the only standard of pricing was the USD, so it didn’t matter if Gold or whatever increased or decreased it’s value, because it did so exclusively in USD, so the US could feed the vicious beast cycle of QE > inflation > Debt without real repercussions. IMO this has changed because now there is alternative pricing mechanism.
MARS,
” The true potential concern is that the domestic currency will lose value in the foreign exchange markets. ”
Is a fixed rate not a floating rate problem.
In fixed currency regimes, such devaluations were associated with inflation. At the extreme, hyperinflations result from when domestic prices are effectively set in a hard currency terms, and local prices are those foreign prices multiplied by the exchange rate.
As the local currency value plunges towards zero (in foreign currency terms), the multiplier goes to infinity. (Academic research on hyperinflations use foreign exchange quotations to estimate inflation rates, since there is no way of reliably recording the domestic price level when the monthly inflation rate is over 50%.)
However, in an environment where the currency is floating and the economy achieved inflation stability, currency movements have almost no measurable effect on inflation.
Canada is a small economy that is extremely open to trade, but one with a long experience a floating currency (the Canadian dollar floated long before the demise of Bretton Woods). As is often pointed out by developed economy central bankers, inflation has been stable since the early 1990s – but currency markets continue to move. Move in a large way.
Australia is another fantastic example and Japan. Exchange rates move up and down all the time in a big way for years. Yet, inflation remained stable.
The empirical evidence is that the estimated effects are quite low when it comes to floating exchange rates. You would be 100% correct if the US used a fixed exchange rate but they don’t. That always seems to be where the confusion creeps in.
The Candian $ has dropped from 1.6 to below 1 and nothing bad happened.
The Aussie $ has dropped from 1.4 to 0.75 nothing bad happened.
The £ after Brexit nothing bad happened.
The US$ from 160 to 97 nothing bad happened.
Using a gold standard model or fixed exchange rates these moves would have been disastrous.
The reason for the confusion is the the economics used by the globalists and neoliberals is based on the “Kaldorian” point of view.
In short they moved to floating rates but apply fixed rate theory on them. In order to bully and control smaller countries.
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=32931
Obviously, Russians are starting to bluff. Not a good sign.
“Yesterday, for the first time, the Ukrainian party announced, not only orally but also in written form, that it’s ready to fulfill a number of the most important conditions for building normal, and, hopefully, good-neighbourly relations with Russia in the future.”
Zelensky could have done this on a date like February 21 to forestall the “special military operation.” He could have renounced joining NATO, guaranteeing all that no invasion of the Donbass was planned, maybe inviting international observers or the UN to come and verify. Wouldn’t just about anyone here have avoided the Russian attack by making the concessions being made now, if they knew the attacking troops were already on the border, everybody was talking about it, and the reasons were known like they were? Hard for Ukrainians to keep supporting Zelensky once his presidency’s final results are in.
Medinsky is trying to spin that to “make a silk purse out of a sows ear” as the saying goes.There is only one point that Ukraine agreed to,the neutrality point.And even that one has outrages conditions to it. As for Crimea and Donbass,saying Russia position stays the same is nothing. It’s what Ukraine is agreed to that is important. And they said that they won’t agree to even discuss that until “after” they get all those territories back. That is a total non-starter.
I saw today that Lavrov was also trying to spin during his meeting with the Chinese. Saying that Ukraine was accepting that Crimea and Donbass were gone. But then the Ukrainians make a statement denying that. So it boils down to, the Russians need to stop trying to spin false points,and admit that the negotiations are going nowhere. If they think they are fooling people in Russia they are wrong. Any Russian that reads the details can easily see,just as I did that there is nothing positive for Russia in those negotiations.
https://www.rt.com/russia/552987-top-russian-negotiator-ukraine-peace-deal/
https://www.rt.com/russia/553003-lavrov-ukraine-talks-progress/
So how does a war come to an end Uncle Bob? How is an accommodation made to stop firing?
Because it does not fit your worldview, everyone is spinning? We might as well go and read western msm.
It’s not my worldview its just the simple truth. When you are trying to make something seem to be something which it isn’t,that’s spinning. And all anyone has to do is read those articles to see that is what they are doing. As for how a war comes to an end? It’s usually when one side or the other win’s so much that the other side gives up.As Saker and other’s have said. Giving away what soldier’s blood paid for is not the way a country wants to end a war. If the nazis remain in power in Ukraine,and Ukraine remains a Russophobic society,then Russia has lost.And that is the bottom line to it.And the sooner that is understood and stopped,the better.
So far, the RF are playing their hand masterfully.
Negotiations are the art of making a deal that works.
The military strategy, the financial strategy, the clear and direct communications about their objectives and their humanitarianism…they are doing everything right.
For all of you who are “outraged” by this. Stop feeling and start thinking, will you? And READ what is actually there instead of filling it in with your own fears.
From the above text:
” … it’s ready to fulfill a number of the most important conditions … ”
This is a diplomat talking. Diplomats are literal people. Don’t go putting things in his mouth he never said. Take his words literally and read very carefully to understand what he is actually saying.
” … a number of … ”
Translated from diplo-speak into ‘normal’ English:
“the Ukrainians are still refusing to accept most of our crucial demands” (that’s basically what that part of the sentence means).
” … a number of the most important conditions … ”
Again, translated from diplo-speak into normal English:
“since we’ve not been able to agree on the majority of the most crucial elements, we haven’t even really bothered much to come to an understanding about the secondary issues that need to be resolved.”
These are all baby-steps, people. Any sort of formal agreement is miles away and that’s not just my opinion, it’s in Medinsky own statement, even if he doesn’t state it explicitly!
At the end:
“However, the negotiations and our work continue.”
QED
Excuse me, perhaps I’ve misinterpreted something.
Did not the Ukrainians request, as a matter of not joining NATO, that they require security guarantees which include from some or all of the following nations, United States, Canada, Poland, and others, that if in *their* view they are being “aggressed” against by anyone, including Russia, that it would require those guarantor countries to respond automatically to include sending troops and imposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine, in a manner which they specifically referred as being the equivalent of Article V of the NATO Charter?
Does anyone here imagine Russia accepting those terms? If so, why?
They can request God but it makes no difference. They begged for a no fly zone. Never gonna happen. They ask for peacekeepers from their buddies who armed them. Not going to happen. They will get Western Ukraine inpoveriched by their friends prior, only after Russia de-fang them as much as possible.
Rubles for gas and oil as Russia stated but only after the sanctions and theft of their money. They have honored every agreement the west made with them to date, unlike the evil crooks that is the west. No rubles No oil and gas! It cannot be replaced but believe what you will.
I am waiting for Russia to say that all their wheat.fertilisers and excess agricultural mineral produce is for the South. It is not only gonna be hot here this summer in the west; it I gonna be sizzilling!
A significant problem with Donbass republics and other possible future republics is the presence and influence of NGOs. This is how the West has always entered states that it cannot enter from the front door.
Money brought in by NGOs is a real problem as it solidifies the employed to make changes in the republics through institutional levels that will eventually effect the states.
All foreign NGOs especially from Western states must be blocked by current and future republics.
my attempt to open Escobar’s link [ http://t.me/c/1394010098/3089 ] (in a browser) produces:
“Message in a private group or channel. This link will only work if you are a member. ”
not that I care immensely about reading Escobar’s commentary — the quote was enough, just wanted to see the papal message on the ruble transaction … anyway, will google for it
What good does 10 million euros do for the Russian central bank?
You saved the best for the last!