By Chris Faure for The Saker Blog
Waves of extreme violent anarchistic protest broke out and is ongoing in the two provinces Gauteng and KwaZulu Natal. Shopping malls and property are being set alight and burned down, looters rule the streets, roads are blockaded, cars and trucks are turned over and burned and in some scenes, one can clearly hear the bullets fly. At the last count around 200 major business district buildings were burning.
The pretext is former President Jacob Zuma’s imprisonment for failing to adhere to a Constitutional Court order to appear before the State Capture Commission. He was arrested and taken to jail.
On Friday morning, small scale protests broke out across KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng and by Saturday afternoon there was widespread instances of roads being blocked off, trucks burned, and property damage. Over the last two days, things have escalated dramatically with widespread riots and looting in several major cities in Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal.
The Zuma story is a long one of looting of the state coffers. We now observe roughly three factions, the ex-President Zuma faction, the current President Ramphosa faction and then the firebrand Julius Malema faction.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1414560439606943748.html
Soon the thin pretext of Zuma’s incarceration disappeared and for the last two days I’ve been watching the continual warning messages stream in of burning, looting, mayhem, burning vehicles and trucks in critical road junctions, more farms are burning and this half of the country is at a standstill with the South African Police unable to keep law and order.
‘Civilian patrols’ are taking charge as the violence, mayhem and looting continue. Several communities have blocked off the entrances to their towns and are keeping watch as the criminals riot, businesses are gutted, infrastructure is damaged and fields are burnt. Communities are even even hitting back by stopping vehicles loaded with looted goods and taking the goods back.
South Africans are now geared up for another night of mass rioting and looting.
As a reminder how we got here: Jacob Zuma, the former president of South Africa, was sentenced to 15 months in prison, on the 29th of June, for contempt of court during an ongoing inquiry into high-level corruption spanning a decade. After a few days of suspense Jacob Zuma handed himself in to authorities on the 7th of July.
Zuma’s supporters, mostly Zulus, were unhappy and threatened to burn the country down if their leader was not released immediately. Zuma himself is an important figure in the Bantu Zulu tribe.
Side note: Why has there been no protests in Cape Town? Zulus mostly live in Durban, KwaZulu-Natal, and Johannesburg, Gauteng. And unlike in KZN and Gauteng, the south west of the country has been crippled by a cold front with freezing temperatures and torrential flooding. (It is dead of winter in the Southern hemisphere).
The president of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa, has just addressed the nation with a mild speech asking for ‘saamstaan’, in other words please work together. Yet, as he addressed the nation, the anarchism continued unabated. At the time of his speech 10 people had died, six police officers had been injured and 489 people had been arrested in the unrest. (These numbers are clearly not accurate).
With increased police deployment announced by Ramaphosa and the assistance of the South African army, which truly only carries the name and is not a defense force, we may see a change of pace towards tomorrow. For better or for worse.
I do not see any impediments today for a full scale civil war. The other scenario is that rioters and looters get tired and go home, and some form of civil society continues although this state has lost its legitimacy. Julius Malema is trying to gin up a war, but his own soldiers told him that this time they are not acting as soldiers, and to take his mother and grandmother to his war.
We are not ready as fighters this time. Take your wife and kids. pic.twitter.com/R2BdyWZkmL
— Mr X (@KhosaXikombiso) July 12, 2021
As KZN and Gauteng burn, will the ConCourt change its mind on the jailing of Jacob Zuma?
President Ramaphosa highlights steps to stop ‘the few from threatening the collective effort’
At the time of writing, the situation reports and videos from various areas are still streaming in.
Any thoughts on how much (if any) of this looting and rioting is from economic pressures and/or the severe lockdowns that South Africa has endured?
I understand food prices are skyrocketing and they’ve restricted virtually everything (including alcohol sales) for a very long time.
We have had some of the harshest lock downs and many people live hand to mouth. Many people have lost their jobs because of the lock downs.
My theory is the current president is using lock down so his faction can buy distressed businesses. You will find his fellow oligarch buddies picking hotel and casino chains after all of this.
They use the age old little hat technique of stripping a country of its enterprises and resources.
Sandf have been deployed.
We wait until the zulus start accessing apartheid Era arms caches.
The balkans of Africa.
Isis is on its way south.
Aren’t food pricing skyrocketing because the blacks are genociding the white farmers both in SAR and Zimbabwe?
I am a black South African. We have a murder problem. Unfortunately focus is selectively placed on (white) farmers. Black farmers are also murdered. Our farmers and farming communities need protection and so too do our populace at large.
We have a weak government as a result of the institutions being hollowed-out by Jacob Zuma. Each one of the once viable (during Apartheid era) state owned enterprises have failed. This is due to ‘cadre deployment’, positions of authority occupied by incompetent loyalists whose arrogance is only exceeded by their incompetence. I know as I had to be the mentor of one such cadre who failed all the way to the top.
This treasonous person, Zuma, sold the country to his gangster pals. They infected the once envied South African Revenue Service (SARS) which now resulted in a reduced 6.5% tax paying base. We are being taxed to hell and gone while the cleptocracy steals and wastes. Competent police and intelligence members were hounded out of the services to be replaced the most unbelievably incompetent with the sole purpose of keeping the ANC in power. We see the result of the most incredibly incompetent way the riots are being handled. Intelligence should have anticipated the unrest. It could not if you’re compromised.
South Africa has proportionally more ministers than any other country. Our minister of basic education, like her previous boss cannot enunciate any big numbers.
Who can readily take over from the ANC? Democratic Alliance (DA)? -no. Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) -no. Its ‘leader’ or ‘commander in chief’ is a rabble rouser of dubious character latching onto any cause which will give the appearance of relevance.
I was a nothing during Apartheid but the systems work. I have ‘freedom’ but lead by the most amoral, thieving tribalistic cleptocracy. Cry my beloved country.
@Zayed: “Who can readily take over from the ANC?”
Like in the old days, Vote Communist! Remember, South Africa is the S in BRICS and China is the C. Let Communist China be your guide and your inspiration.
But whatever party is voted in, you are right: Incompetence and Nepotism must be rooted out. China succeeded partly because it has a Communist government but mainly because it has a competent and relatively uncorrupt government. This was predicted 60 years ago in a French book called “Black Africa is Badly Placed”; the writer said Communist China would succeed because officials were taught to live like common people, and Sub-Saharan Africa would fail because officials were taught to live like European Colonists.
Dr. NG Maroudas,
As a ex-South African your comment is surprisingly out of touch with the reason why everything is literally imploding in RSA (as predicted by many). To state the obvious – and I know a lot of people don’t want to hear this: The ANC supports and have implemented strong socialistic and communistic policies (in some for or another, often disguised), which is the very reason why everything is failing – it doesn’t work in the SA context (isn’t it obvious?). Even so, you are recommending more of the same?
Communism, Socialism, Christianity — they all say the same thing: Justice is done when Power takes from the rich and gives to the poor. The ANC did a deal with Anglo-American, and in return for Black Power the ANC abandoned Communism. Like all Anglo Zio Capitalist regimes, the ANC now rob the poor to give to the rich. Like political parties in the U$A, the ANC now promote Identity Politics instead of Fair Shares for All. That is not Justice.
Identity Politics (Black versus White, Us versus Them etc) promotes nepotism; and nepotism promotes incompetence; which promotes poverty; which promotes rioting and looting in the streets.
The biggest Looters in South Africa are Anglo-American companies.
Here I quote Larchmonter on Communist China: “The Chinese have done so well with their Central Government because every person in power has earned it.”
Zayed,
You make very good points overall and I commend you for your frankness. Just on the point of farm murders – it is well known that statistically (per capita) the number of white farmers that is murdered is disproportionately high.
According to South African police statistics between 1990 and 2018 a total of 1198 white farmers were killed and only 66 black farmers.
Source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4428330-Farm-Murders-Racial-Breakdown-1990-2018.html
The farming organizations also collect statistics which are much higher – I have seen numbers in the range of 3500 white farmers killed, but leaving that aside, the SA police stats speaks for itself. Moreover, it’s also well known by now that in a significant number of cases there’s torturing involved in the case of white farm members, so that’s most likely why more focus is placed on white their deaths. The problem is, nobody really wants to acknowledge this aspect, so some farmer lobby groups are making a big noise about it to try and draw attention to it. It would be better if all South Africans start to face this reality rather than trying to trivialize it by equating it with other murders.
This has come to a zero sum game. Your loss is my gain. If the Boers are truly invested in SA or Zimbabwe they’ll not be enabling the playing of tribe against tribe. Till they get off their high horse and make it an equitable place it’ll go on till the place is either burnt to ground or they are.
Moenie n doos wees nie…. the boers are truly invested in sa. and we warned it will come to this if we dont make it “an equitable place” but instead the state was looted for the profit of a few. The place is already burnt to the ground – sonder die boere se hulp – without the boers help…. and we are prepared to be burnt to the ground on our land while defending it….
Be assured that a lot of people here in Europe are aware of the white genocide happening in South Africa. I won’t be confused by those who claim it were a right-wing conspiracy theory. Even the United Nations have reports and statistics about the hate crimes that are comitted against white South Africans. I have good contacts to boers and my prayers and thoughts go to all those who get physically or politcally attacked and discriminated.
Remember some of these whites owned farmland of the sizes of Belgium, and were not ready to give back a cm2 to those millions of blacks without.
Media campaigns were established to promote pity for those big farm owner white “victims”.
US and UK also made their best to secure their “interest” and regime change figures in the country. So again a complex story where its difficult to see the picture.
@ Tomsen
Belgium was never involved in South Africa at any point in time in its entire history.
White South Africans have no relation/s whatsoever to Belgium, historically or presently.
No media campaigns that I am aware of has been launched in favor to support their cause,
to the contrary the mainstream media has failed to report on it adequately for decades.
Ok, now I read your comment again and your point is that some white-owned farms are very large – like the size of Belgium according to you (I suppose you consider having a large piece of land is bad/wrong in general: do you have the same point of view about large land owned in USA, Australia, Argentina, Mexico, etc – all countries colonized by Europeans? )
You say the farmers “were not ready to give back a cm 2 to those millions of blacks”. Well, something can only be given back if it was taken/stolen by someone in the first place. The historical facts are that in the case of South Africa very little land was taken by force from African people. So your statement has no merit and is a common slandering method to insinuate that white South Africans in South Africa did what Europeans did in other colonies.
“US and UK also made their best to secure their “interest” and regime change figures in the country. So again a complex story where its difficult to see the picture.”
– This part is true, but it’s only difficult to see the picture because most people refuse to. Let me give you a very simple yet very consistent example:
Many (perhaps most) commentators on The Saker’s blog claim to be critical against “Anglo-Zionism” and they are very vocal about it in relation to world affairs (they can see the picture clearly), but in the case of South Africa they find it very difficult to be critical of the AZ influences (past and present) in affairs there. Most commentators would claim to have been against Apartheid, yet it’s very rare to find them criticizing British colonialism in Southern Africa. You can see the same trend on all South Africa articles. Non-white South African citizens and even white English liberals do the same: Always highly critical of Apartheid, hardly ever a word about the British colonial period.
There are also factual issues.
Some farming cannot be done in any way economically viable without large lands. Large parts of South Africa is dry area. So, you have to have for example a certain hectares, to make something like sheep farming viable. There are farms of all sizes and for example a wild life farm needs big area for the big animals.
If you assess South African farming, you have to take a look at climate.
Another simply factual issue is that the state owns much more land than anyone. Why don’t they give away? What they want to do, is to take large landholding without compensating the owners, and then sell it to massive international farming conglomerates for their own pockets. If they want it, they should pay for it.
From Bosnia to South Africa and… possibly back again. Or I’ll just stay and die with yet another nation. Fuck.
To: ‘nother South African
Yes, but it was never about the facts, or the human rights. Mentioning the true facts, context, history about South Africa is always met with denial, deflection or silence (or anger and more lies …). Ask for actual evidence for the wild claims almost always made about wrongdoings on the part of whites and it’s never produced. Mention wrongdoing on the part of black South Africans (or Anglo imperialism) and it’s always ignored or met with silence. This is the trend on every single article about issues in South Africa (see The Saker’s archives for proofs).
Everybody really knows (but won’t say it) that it was, and has always been, about one thing only: easy access to SA’s resources. That was achieved by Anti-Apartheid movements in 80’s & 90’s supported and funded by peoples in West & East: mission accomplished. The Boers were defeated by a peace process called “Truth and Reconciliation” (because if you can’t defeat them through war, then you can do it through peace, i.e. perfidy).
This is all very grim in reality, but it’s better to see the truth for what it is. South Africa is worth saving though – it’s a great country.
Hi Tomsen
Would you care to name any of these Belgium-sized farms? Or are you just spouting twaddle?
Have you even given part of your house or garden away to someone who didn’t have?
I am White and I don’t have any land either – will you give me some of yours? Please?
You are wrong. Land redistribution has been going on for decades. Thousands of claims have been going through the system. Most of the claiments opted for money rather than land. The best land in SA is actually held by the Zulu monarchy. The government also owns massive amounts. And those enormous farms you talk about do exist yes, in the desert. Not exactly prime land. The truth is that whites have been for the most model citizens since the fall of apartheid. The new government did well for a few years and then started going sideways when President Jacob Zuma gave the levers of economic power to the members of the communist party. This caused even bigger problems than his turning the national fiscus into his private piggybank.
Followers of one Big Cheese against the followers of another Big Cheese. Personality versus Personality. This is the wrong sort of rioting.
I believe this is the result of South Africa’s unfinished business. Two original driving forces in the ANC were Christianity and Communism: both wanted a better life for the suffering masses. But the ANC settled for a deal with Anglo-American company: Anglo-American would drop the colour bar if ANC would drop Communism. Deal done.
First result of South Africa’s unfinished business: Anglo Zio Capitalists continue to loot the mineral wealth of the country. A-A HQ moves to London. Profitable diamond cutting business moves to Tel Aviv.
Second result of South Africa’s unfinished business, regime troops shoot miners who are striking for better pay.
Third result of South Africa’s unfinished business, poverty continues.
My grand niece, who was a medical graduate in South Africa at the beginning of this insane Lockdown, predicted: “Daily bread and violence will kill more than the virus will”.
Maybe you would have had an argument 20 years ago but you are out of touch. Anglo American is now a small company the resource sector has died. Secondly, the ANC has always been a communist organization. Look at all the policies put l forward by Cyril Rhamphosa. Expropriation of private property, pensions and so on. You mentioned somewhere that under communism the best people are appointed. Maybe in China that is the case. But there is not one ANC Cadre (notice the commie term) that is not an utter idiot. Every election the ANC shffules these people around and the same people end up somewhere else. These people are now becoming geriatric too. What we learnt over the last week is that maybe anarchy isn’t so bad. We actually created order when the government failed to do so. Each community in its own enclave. So I think that’s the way we will go. The sooner the idea of communism dies here the better.
Just like in Europe, the whites will be the scapegoats for every problem that arises now. Zimbabwe could have been a warning for South Africa. Now the time will come that looters will plunder and attack farms even more. Julius Malema , South Africa’s Mugabe-impersonator, opeleny calls for the killing of white people for many years now. It’s just disgusting.
Didn’t things improve in Zimbabwe when the chinese started running it? Perhaps SA should try that.
China made a lot of infrastructe projects in Africa. They are building a lot of railway systems, bridges and other infrastructures. Both the respective countries proftit because their economies will be boosted by it, and it helps the Chinese for their belt-and-road initiative. South Africa is especially connected to China because of the BRICS association. I’m sure Russia will step in sooner or later in South Africa too. I like to point out they landed some Russian jets in Waterkloof military airport.
There is so much graft and corruption, that China closed its own wallet and they need some competence and less corruption. They are not currently investing anything meaningful in South Africa – specifically not after the current government took a nice fat IMF loan. I don’t know what South Africa is doing in BRICS.
I tried to do some export business to Capetown and Johannesberg in the late 90’s, working with local businessmen who were whites and “cape colored” (Indian ancestry). Among other items was infrared LAN to get around the incredible fees charged by the government for any sort of microwave link, since infrared is license-free. The deal didn’t happen because the threat of a license-free system caused the price of a microwave license to be negotiate downward by 90 or 95%. My in-country partners all told me that the people in power were ultra corrupt. I guess the original leadership of the ANC were exhausted by the long struggle for independence and the next generation of leaders were mostly interested in stuffing their pockets. But I’d still blame Britain because Britain has significant influence and could have put things on a better course, starting with a “Truth And Reconciliation” process that could have been more than eyewash and a way to shoehorn favored corrupt people into power. Another part of the problem is that many of the “blacks” are from Rhodesia and don’t feel like South Africans. I guess the aboriginal Zulu do not particularly feel they share the destiny of South Africa. A nation sinks into nothingness when there is no unity, as seen in the US and the Ukraine, to name a couple. I wish I had an answer for South Africa’s problems, but I don’t. As another comment noted, China has steered clear of investments because of the corruption. And yes, China was active from the early 1990’s on, in central Africa, building railroads. China has its own history of learning how to deal with corruption, so perhaps when South Africa decides it needs to root out corruption, maybe the Chinese will show them how it’s done. But first, the South Africans themselves must decide they have a national responsibility. Something similar is going on in Lebanon, where the people have been made very painfully aware that their national responsibility is to root out the corruption, to get rid of the imposed constitution in favor of a secular one, and to build a prosperous Lebanon without the corrupt false friends in other countries who helped dig a hole for Lebanon. I think Lebanon is years ahead of South Africa in coming to that epiphany.
Amarynth,
In my view the ex-president Zuma should not have been put in jail (in the name of stability), because it’s a humiliation for his followers – the reaction to such a move was predictable and should have been expected. This situation risks destabilizing the entire country.
On your point about the IMF loan and BRICS membership – unfortunately the nuances about which leadership in South Africa falls on which side of the BRICS vs Western Alliance is lost on many people. South Africa joined BRICS under Jacob Zuma’s presidency and we believed at the time that the country could play a worthwhile role in BRICS, but our commitment to it has became less clear (after Zuma’s presidency) and its future in it too. Time will tell.
Zuma was very close to Russia. But SA is an outpost of the Anglo American establishment for now and has been do since 94.
The Chinese aren’t running it. The Chinese here do bother with locals. They built their own stuff and work only with other Chinese. Zim is basically a failed state. Sanctioned to death by the US. This is why they gave back land to whites. To try and have the sanctions reversed. Mozambique is in the same state, Namibia, Botswana and Zambia are better of.
Around 1900, there were as many Whites as Blacks in South Africa. Blacks came from further north to get more food and better jobs. They have far more kids per woman than Whites do. Today, there are 10+ times as many Blacks as Whites. No country can survive that.
Whether you like it or not, Blacks are on average less intelligent. In the USA, for every White who kills a Black, there are 15 Blacks who kill a White. Because Whites try to stay away from Blacks, the murder rate of Blacks against Blacks is astronomical.
Sorry guys. What is happening in SA was foreseeable 50 years ago. I had 3 cousins in SA, I think they are now in Canada. At least, I hope so.
I think the most perfidious people of all are the Dutch of the Netherlands. They accepted immigrants from pretty well everywhere – unless they were Boers from SA. Despicable.
“In 1814 the Netherlands sold its temporary Dutch colony at the Cape (including all the Afrikaners/Boers) to the British for 3 million pounds sterling, with no right for them to return to the Netherlands. In other words, the Afrikaners were “sold lock stock and barrel”. To this day the Dutch do not recognize Afrikaners as Dutch, or that they have a right of return… ”
Mentioned in this article:
/apartheid-vs-apartheid-in-the-time-of-wokeness/
BTW, Canada and Australia have also turned down would-be South African immigrants. In Australia it was proposed that white South African farmers should be given sanctuary through special immigration, but there was a huge campaign against it by left-wing groups, so it was never implemented. In Canada they actually deported some white South Africans who attempted to claim asylum there on the basis of fearing for their lives in South Africa (some of them lost family members through murder). Keep in mind that both Australia and Canada strongly supported the Anti-Apartheid movement and both countries sent troops to fight against the Boers in the Second Anglo-Boer war (make of that what you will).
Hey Guys,
I live in Gauteng in South Africa. A couple of comments here:
This ANC government has been in power for over 25 years and have done nothing but loot state coffers and things to the average human being on the street has only gotten worse as a result. Yet the ANC gets voted in every election by he same suffering people hoping it will change. It is absolutely tragic.
What I have realized in my life here in South Africa that the very people that are looting are following the example of their leaders. A starving person loots a food store to feed their family in the short term, doesn’t burn down whole shopping malls and loot electronics like TVs. Simplistic statement, but I don’t want to write too long by expanding hugely on this as I can.
My friend in Durban KZN and the local residents have had to barricade their streets to keep the mob out and they are not going to sleep tonight for fear of their lives and families.
There was a comment on the numbers being reported not being accurate – the situation in KZN alone is that the Sout African Police Services have run out of ammunition and private civilians are supplying them with ammunition to hell them protect the citizens.
The interesting aspect of all this is that worldwide white South Africans have a mostly engoneered reputation of being racist. If that is the case in reality, why on earth are white and Indian South Africans banding together to protect each other against this insane lawless element of almost entirely black people?
This government has used racism as a political tool during all its time in power and it will never stop doing that while it can divide this country to retain power. Julius Malema has stated today that the looters must not but trucks and shops owned by blacks as that is not who they are fighting.
It is seriously crazy and very scary living in this country. For every person from every cultural background. While racism is enshrined in our constitution, the violence and division will never end.
South Africa = America in the not-too-distant future.
There will be another South Africa sitrep over the next number of hours. In the meantime, read this:
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-07-13-report-from-the-looting-frontline-i-am-the-closest-i-have-ever-been-to-losing-hope/
What I get from our writer, is that the Duban Harbor is closed, gas shortages everywhere and gas refinery closed, huge conglomerates closing calling force majeure, road closures everywhere, large supermarkets closing because of caution, no bread or milk or anything else can be bought while milk farmers are throwing their milk out as there is no cold transportation (or open roads) for milk for example, and nowhere, no milk depot, to deliver it to, sugar mills closed, export of fruit like oranges halted, network towers vandalized, large buildings of all kinds like radio stations and computer stores and so on still burning, looting continues and hunger because of no supplies, starting. Mass looting continuing with looting mobs increasing in size, police unable to hold a line, defense forces too little and too late, communities of all colors coming together in self-defense (perhaps vigilante) groupings to protect their areas, rubber bullets in short supply, real bullets being used. There are unconfirmed reports of police stations opening up their weapons depots and handing to the community defense. There are unconfirmed reports of community defense sharing their ammunition with police forces that run low.
This part of the country is being laid lame and it is unsure if this civil mayhem will grow to other provinces. The fog of war makes clear analysis difficult.
Things look bleak. Vidoes here https://sputniknews.com/africa/202107131083376267-videos-looting-by-pro-zuma-protesters-spreads-to-south-africas-indian-and-white-suburbs/ makes the situation look really bleak
Couple of points here.
South Africa has been in crisis for about 14 years and this looting spree is simply the latest symptom of it.
The big problem came when white big business threw their weight behind the most corrupt active politician in the country, Jacob Zuma, and installed him as President by protecting him against prosecution using their tame judges and boosting him with their media and millions in cash. In return he had to let them run down the country’s infrastructure so that they could justify buying it up, while dismantling the police, the secret services and the prosecution authority so that their criminal activities (such as smuggling their cash out of the country) couldn’t be caught up with.
Eventually they decided to be a bit more pro-active and installed someone who’d been their mole in the ANC since the early 1990s, called Cyril Ramaphosa, as President. He’s ruined the country (he was put in charge of the economy by Zuma, under orders from big business), destroyed the airline and the rail service while continuing the disastrous collapse begun under Zuma. It’s no wonder that nobody listens to the government anymore; it’s like having a combination of Biden, Trump and Johnson all in power at once.
Of course the obvious crooks and scoundrels are black; they’re the ones that the white-owned media shines the light on, and yes, they are indeed crooks and scoundrels. But behind them are white South African businesspeople, and behind them are Western banks and Australian mining companies hoping to grab what they can in the fire-sale that Ramaphosa is organising. If blacks were in charge, and they were crooks, they’d actually steal stuff for themselves.
A lot of South African whites haven’t got over being defeated in the 1980s and are now, frankly, busy whining to ignorant foreigners about how hard-done-by they are and how the stupid blacks have messed up everything. If those whites had worked on trying to support the people who were trying to sort out this country’s problems between 1994 and 2007, instead of sitting on their backsides complaining about the dirty darkies, we wouldn’t be in this mess now; 2007 was a pretty close-run thing and the good guys might have won if they’d enjoyed any support. But it’s too late now, and most South African whites are sitting in the cesspool that they helped to fill complaining about the smell.
@MFB: “The big problem came when white big business threw their weight behind the most corrupt active politician in the country, Jacob Zuma, and installed him as President by protecting him against prosecution using their tame judges and boosting him with their media and millions in cash. In return he had to let them run down the country’s infrastructure so that they could justify buying it up, while dismantling the police, the secret services and the prosecution authority so that their criminal activities (such as smuggling their cash out of the country) couldn’t be caught up with.”
Thanks, MFB, you confirm the “bad vibes” that I detected from Zuma Zulu and his Anglo-Business supporters during the transition from Apartheid to Rainbow Nation. Anglo-Zio-Capitalism will always try to co-opt the Leadership of any nation with bribes to enrich a minority of so-called “Elites” (literally, “Chosen People”). Setting one group to riot against another is a technique of “Rule and Divide” (so-called Identity Politics, like riots and looting in the U$A). The aim of AZC rule is always social division and a steady Trickle Up of wealth from the divided and powerless masses to a compact and powerful “Chosen Few”.
The ANC’s unfinished business is to copy the C in BRICS. But any South African government which tries to be Communist and Clean will suffer the same financial sanctions as Socialist Syria, Revolutionary Iran, Communist China, and Christian Russia. If the ANC tries to clean up its act it will suffer financial punishment heavier than “the Run on the Rand” which brought the de Klerk government to its knees. “A heavy load, and it needs real men”.
Zuma Zulu’s riots ensure that South Africa’s people cannot act in unity, because Unity makes for Strength (Eendrag maak Magt).
Dr. NG Maroudas,
No offense, but what you are suggesting is Pie in the Sky: “clean communism” in Africa while African leaders are tempted all the time by large outside players from West and East accept some “donations” in return for easy access to resources (that’s basically the only game in town with regards to outside interests in Africa), but I admire your idealism and support for what you believe in.
Well, here’s the thing – there was a two-tier economic system in S.A. under Apartheid – a dual economy: a highly state subsidized economy for Africans with very cheap staple foods, transport, health and education and no taxes (a socialistic economy for black people) and on the other hand the subsidized, taxed, normally priced economy for white people and some of the other minorities (this economy subsidized the other one). This was done while the rule of law and security was maintained at the same time and extreme tribalism (what’s happening right now) was kept at bay. But, for some reason the whole world saw that as oppression and discrimination, yet that was the closest to “clean socialism” the country every got – under Apartheid. Afrikaners have always been open to a form of socialism, which is how many of the large state entities were developed under Apartheid, and they have always understood the need for that to an extent, alongside capitalism, because of the different nations living in the country with different needs.
@MFB Who are these Whites who must take responsibility for the mess of the country? How can a minority of 4 million Whites take care of 40 million Blacks? Why don’t you find 10 people in your country and pay for them and take care of them and see how far you get?
Are you some sort of racist who says that Blacks need Whites to take care of them and make a country work? Are you saying Blacks can’t make a country work and it’s the fault of Whites that South Africa is a failure? Because that is what it looks to me what you are saying.
Do the Whites own the media? Which media outlets do Whites own? Are you referring to the SABC South African Broadcasting Corporation which is the state / ANC mouthpiece? Are you saying this is this owned by Whites? Or to which media are you referring?
“If those whites had worked on trying to support the people who were trying to sort out this country’s problems between 1994 and 2007, instead of sitting on their backsides complaining about the dirty darkies, we wouldn’t be in this mess now”
Who exactly are these people who were trying to sort out this country’s problems between 1994 and 2007? Why be cryptic about it? Sounds to me you are just doing the classic old “blame it on whitey” anyway, just in a roundabout way. There is only one simple factor at play here: majority rule. Meaning that in the South African context all minorities are literally screwed because the majority in the country vote strictly along ethic lines with few exceptions and will always do so, and their numbers are growing larger and larger by the year in comparison to all minorities. Meaning it was game over after 1994 for minorities – the fact that power sharing was not secured insured that – and why was power-sharing never secured? The West didn’t want it (and must have known what would be the outcome).
“On 23 June 1989 F.W de Klerk, NP leader and de facto head of government met Thatcher in London. The interview did not start well with Thatcher stating that she found ‘unhelpful’ De Klerk’s view on the need for ‘group rights’ to avoid the tyranny of one group over the other group.”
“The US government supported measures like federalism and the rule of law to curb the power of the executive but did not have much patience with pleas for mandatory power-sharing in order to curb the power of the strongest party. In July 1992 Herman Cohen, US under-secretary of state for Africa, declared that all sides had to recognise the ‘right of the majority to govern’”.
https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/margaret-thatcher-niel-barnard-and-the-end-of-apar
Another point – whites were never “defeated” through honorable and legitimate means, see my comment further above – they were defeated through perfidy, i.e. a peace process called “Truth and Reconciliation” resulting in a “Rainbow Nation” (let’s all sing Kumbaya together forever…) and “democracy” (one party state majority rule into perpetuity). Furthermore, whites never voted to give up power – De Klerk sold them down the river:
“The white voters was convinced that the party stood for power sharing, not for majority rule. In debates with the ANC leadership De Klerk even made it clear that he could not underwrite a settlement unless this issue was resolved. For De Klerk power sharing was an aspiration, a dearly hoped for outcome, while his constituency thought it was his bottom line.”
https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/margaret-thatcher-niel-barnard-and-the-end-of-apar
So, what you call “whining” is legitimate outrage at injustice and they won’t stay quiet about it. You can be sure of that.
i live in small coastal town of St Lucia on the far north east coast, we have barricaded the entrance bridge with razor wire and armed civilians over the St Lucia Estuary into town, as the looters are planning to loot the town, all i can say is Welcome to the Rainbow Abortion called the New South Africa created by the US amd EU.