The center of Kiev is in flames

All Eurocrats are supporting these nationalists and neonazis thugs. It’s a very bad sign sent to Ukraine but also UE peoples.
Cheers

Check out this photo:
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72448000/jpg/_72448489_reuters.jpg

and yet in all reports it is implied or stated that it is the riot police that is responsible for shooting deaths in Kiev

It looks real. I have a Walter cp88 that is a replica of a p88. Not the same model as in the picture. But because the co2 cylinder is placed where the magazine would normally be, the base of what would have been the magazine in the real deal is thicker in the air pistol. It opens up on a hinge at the other end and is thicker than the one in the image. But I could be wrong.

Mindfriedo

@EVERYBODY

About guns: I have also seen images of all sorts of folks with guns in Kiev. I cannot claim to know what is true or not, but I would suggest the following common sense assumptions:

1) The riot cops have admitted using plastic bullets for a few days already. That might account for some of what we see
2) Russian reporters claims that both sides have plenty of “less than lethal” or “non lethal” weapons (травматическое оружие), whatever that means.
3) Riot cops will have their service weapons somewhere nearby but these were clearly not distributed yet.
4) The Ukrainian security service (SBU) could be using anything and everything. I do not know that they have, all I am saying is that they would have access to more weapon types than the riot cops.
5) There are *a lot* of weapons in circulation in the Ukraine and there is no doubt in my mind at all that the neo-Nazi combat groups of the opposition have plenty of real firepower. Clearly, they have simply decided not to use them for the time being.
6) The regime is clearly terrified that any real outbreak of violence will lead to a Libyan scenario with fake “massacres” used to justify an armed insurrection.
7) In contrast, the “non-armed” and “peaceful” “demonstrators” are using all sorts of very lethal means (knives, metal bars, Molotov cocktails, etc.) to try to get the riot cops to open fire and catch that on video.
8) The entire western Ziomedia and the political elites are poised to report a “Tienanmen square like” “massacre” and declare that the democratically elected government of Yanukovich has “turned against its people”.

I don’t see a good way out of this one. The pro-US neo-Nazis in Kiev, the western special services and the plutocratic media all clearly are going to play hardball. For them the choice is simple: anything, literally anything, is preferable to the Ukraine joining the trade union with Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Armenia.

This is all made worse by the fact that Yanukovich is a corrupt and weak SOB while his prime minister Azarov, who does seem to be a decent guy, has the charisma of a depressed undertaker. By all its actions and its “political body language” the regime is showing that it is weak, weak, weak. That is THE tragedy: there are plenty of “Ukrainian Berezovskys” but not a single “Ukrainian Putin”.

I don’t see that ending well at all. I hope I am wrong.

The Saker

So much for the non-violent methods designed by Gene Sharp which by definition turn violent at the end! I don’t like it one bit eather. Next are going to be some misterious snipers shooting at the “peaceful protesters.” Bad timing as well.
Why did the police allow logistics to be delivered to the zion-sponsored neonazi goons?

@Sokenokos: Why did the police allow logistics to be delivered to the zion-sponsored neonazi goons?

Because the government is extraordinarily weak and terrified of actually taking some kind of decisive action.

@WizOZ: as the Foreign Minister of Sweden said: “it won,t be business as usual”. War?

Involving whom? I don’t see NATO willing to get involved and I don’t see the Polaks going at it solo. The Russikies ain’t going to intervene either. A civil war? That is more of an option, something like 1993 in Moscow, but on steroids. But remember that right now the entire “area of operations” is just the center of Kiev, that’s it. Hence my flashback to Moscow in 1993. But the comparison only goes that far for two factors:

a) as I already said it, there is no “Ukrainian Putin”

but also,

b) there is no Ukrainian Chechenia.

The 2nd one matters too. The crazy atrocities of the Chechen Wahabis did unify the Russian society around the feeling that “too much is too much and that a state is needed to get things back under control”. You can say that if Eltsin begat Dudaev, then Dudaev begat Putin. It is not that simple, but it not wrong either.

Anyway, I think that some serious violence is possible, followed by a completely hysterical reaction from the EU, NATO and the US about “massacres” and all the rest of the shit. If they can’t get to Putin in Russia, they will try to at least get to him in the Ukraine.

As I already wrote many times: I hope and pray that Russia stays *out* of this disgraceful, pathetic and mind-bogglingly stupid mess. Let the Ukies burn their already bankrupt country down to the ground out of love for the friggin neo-Nazi ideology, but let them not involve anybody else. This crap about the Ukies being the “Brothers of Russia” is gotta stop. They wanted their freedom – let them have it!

Cheers,

The Saker

It’s interesting to compare the NWO rabble in Ukraine with the Sudeten Germans in Czechoslovakia 80 years ago. Nazi Germany bankrolled their “independence&q uot; movement with a view to grab the entire country. It was an immense success.

Ho wever, unlike their Sudeten forerunners, today’s deranged Ukros are asking for their own destitution and plain squalor. The industrialized Sudeten region was hit particularly hard by the crisis in the 1930ies while neighbouring Nazi Germany enjoyed virtually zero unemployment. So there was a tangible advantage of “Anschluss”. The rioters in Kiev are just a bunch of all-out imbeciles.