I am posting this video with the following caveat: please try to overlooks/ignore PJW’s phobia (in the sense of hatred and the sense of fear) of Islam. PJW is absolutely correct when he says that Islam is on the rise, but then he goes on to repeat the Zionist canard about Islam being a threat to the West. It ain’t. Zionism is. Besides, the only truly dangerous form of Islam – Takfirism – is federated, organized, financed, trained, supported and always rescued by, you guessed it, the AngloZionist Empire. If the Empire just left the Muslim world alone it would deal with Takfirism by itself, far more rapidly and effectively than (what) the West (is pretending to be doing).
But that is not something PJW or, for that matter, Alex Jones are ever willing to mention and this is why these two are objectively aiding the Zionist narrative about Islam and the West. It is also very characteristic that in this video PJW mentions the French author Eric Zemmour who is currently the living embodiment of what Alain Soral correctly called “National-Zionism“.
Still, this video is interesting because PJW makes a very good inventory of what is really taking place in the West today. Oh sure, PJW is, just like Jordan Peterson, is first and foremost a reactionary who is an apologist for all of Western civilization, including the most horrific phases. Just like most Americans don’t hate war, but hate losing wars, so do PJW and Jordan Peterson not have capitalism or imperialism, but they hate to see then lose. Big difference!
Anyway, check out this video, if only to see that an apologist for Western civilization like PJW sees the same trends as folks like Dimitri Orlov or, for that matter, myself.
The Saker
Somewhat OT but I believe this link to a blog and the link to the underlying lecture is particularly relevant to the chaos about which watson speaks and perhaps lessons to be gained from 19th century Russian writors:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/our-teachers-russian-novelists-conservatism/
https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/report/pray-chekhov-or-what-russian-literature-can-teach-conservatives
Glib and fatalistic, but a reasonable list of modern ailments. Interesting that he sees the loss of a spiritual center as key, but refuses to acknowledge it as a solution.
Regarding the Muslim issue: After just having a very constructive interaction with some Muslim families, I was reminded that I find many of them more enjoyable and far less offensive than many who call themselves Christians. At the same time, Christianity, as I understand it, does not support a universalist view – it is not interchangeable, whether or not that is politically correct, or rubs the PC crowd the wrong way.
Although PJW was not really clear on where he stands, I certainly mourn the decline of Christianity in the West. This emotion does not arise from fear or dislike of Muslims. It is that our western society, which is built upon centuries of Christianity, is now rejecting not only its origins, but also its soul. It is difficult to watch the disease growing by the day. Prayer, more prayer, and devotion during this period of Lent is needed more than ever.
Although PJW was not really clear on where he stands, I certainly mourn the decline of Christianity in the West. This emotion does not arise from fear or dislike of Muslims.
I respectfully disagree. This is why PJW speaks of Islam’s “barbarity”. He completely conflates the Takfiri crazies and the rest of the huge (and immensely diverse) Muslim world. He has made many videos denouncing Islam and what PJW mistakenly believes are Islamic teachings. You can look them up on YT.
As for Christianity, PJW simply refuses to accept that we live in a POST-Christian world in which nobody gives a damn about Christ or Christianity and in which that which is presented as “Christianity” is an obscene caricature which has *nothing* in common with the religion which “the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian” (St. Athanasius).
Kind regards
The Saker
Well, it is pretty interesting to me—but perhaps only to me and I am a minority of one—that the more I learn about the Jewish religion, or Jewish beliefs—the more respect for and interest in Christianity as a moral universe.
The first I ever really considered Islam as a religion was when a (Jewish) friend of mine converted to islam. that was way back in the mid-eighties, in NYC. It really pretty much alienated me—the idea of it. He had joined a Sufi group. Now, on hindsight, i can see the attraction for him, especially coming from a Jewish background. In a way it maybe was a smaller steop to become a Sufi than it would ave been to leave Judaism to convert to Christianity. I was living in NYC and getting involved in Middle Eastern music and dance scene, and this brought me into contact with my first “real” Muslims (albeit musicians—also some Armenians).
So, I did read up a bit on Islam and its fundamental tenets seem fine to me, despite the patriarchal practices. Better than those of Judaism, which seem empty and seem to offer really no moral core at all and lack dignity and honor. Jehovah is a Jew writ large. I don’t have to be part of patriarchal Islam, just as I don’t have to be part of a Christian monastery, or of a Jewish shtetl, thank god. I can still think about what these religions basically have to say about the human condition vis-a-vis God. Or gods. Of the three monotheistic religions I would take Christianity or Islam over Judaism any day.
But I think pagan religions with many gods—such as pre=Christian religions—may in their innocence actually have induced greater humility and greater grace in personal conduct and needed fear of transgressing (needed if humans are to avoid destroying everything around them) than any of the monotheistic religions. Because the gods were there, on the ground with you, in the flames with you, in the water with you, seeing the shrines you built, and they were also part of and within all animals. And they punished you directly if you, say, polluted waters or failed to honor nearby deities.
At this point I think the only “religion” or “spiritual” way of life that can save us now is a nature-based even “environmental” religion. This is the locus of the malady and the derangement. Alienation from and destruction of the natural world.
Well, I am getting way OT so I had better stop.
BTW who is the lady who talked about androgyny and decline of civilization?
Katherine
The lady is Camille Paglia, an academic and quite famous cultural critic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
Thanks!
So this is the notorious Camille Paglia!
Isn’t she some kind of academic?
But haven’t heard her name for quite a while.
Katherine
@Katerine
Very interesting. Came to same conclusion myself.
Same, the Pharao´s early period with 42 negative commandments, rare death penalty, banning criminals from the spiritual world, tell us about a much higher civilisation of dignity, wisdom and spiritual honour.
For your information within the islamic theology everything in existance has a soul. Even mountains and trees and all existance is in praise of God and mankind is responsible for it! Imam Ali the first Imam of the Shia would order his taxcollectors to be kind to their camels and horeses and not ride them unjustly. If the taxcollctor has two horses with him, he had to ride them equally, in order to be just. You must understand, that your freinds becoming a sufi does not make you any expert or in any way knowledgable about Islam.
And when it comes to patriarchy and the war against it in the name of gender equality and womens enterance into the workforce, it was the very first blow and the first step in the war against family. It was not accidental, they created to world wars to achieve this. I you look at the existentialist writing after the second world war, they were predicting all of this and they know why it was done eventhough everybody pretends, that is is something new.
Sorry I have to stop. It is time for may prayers. I will be back with more later.
With regards
part two,
With regards to Peganism, well I have news for you every religion, that has ever existed has started as monotheistic and that includes peganism. It is only logical! But through time it has become polytheistic, which reminds me of the marxist or hegelian view of the matter. Ideas like incarnation and casts only prove the marxist theories like in hinduism.
On the other hand the westerners in general have a romantic view of Peganism, which is far frorm reality and perhaps can be contributed to movies. It is not only harmful but is inhumane and barbaric as it gets. One would think, that in the 21. century we would be immune to this kind of stuff considering the level of education in existance, but no. But it must also be understod as a reaction to the existing social, political and economical situation in all its different aspects. Do other religions order you to hate nature or trees!
If I was the devil and wanted to destroy humainty, I would do it in the name of freedom, democracy, equality and choice. I would push religious freedom and turn the human race into a field full of straws waving bach and forth in the wind, it looks nice and feels nice to but the single individuals straws are easy to break and are with no power. I would do all that I can to make sure they stay that way, because a bundle of these is not easy to break. You can be all the religious or pegan that you want and they will let you, they will make it a law. A religions power comes from its numbers too!
with regards
I do not know or follow PJW but have heard the name. What I failed to express clearly was that after watching the video, I don’t know where he stands in his interest in Christianity or Christian values. The video mentioned the loss of Christianity on the one hand, while failing to say anything in support of it on the other hand. Some type of audience-preserving political correctness?
You seem angry about no one caring about Christianity. Fair enough. My reaction is sadness, as I fully expect God’s anger will be already more than most can bear. I think you correctly qualified your “nobody gives a damn” statement as coming from the “world”. We are warned about this world, so not really a surprise.
I had a chance to visit the crypts of Victor and Corona recently. It does help put “following Christ” in perspective.
New Zealand shooting that left 49 dead at 2 mosques: What we know so far
https://www.rt.com/news/453872-new-zealand-terror-attack/
” His weapons were inscribed with references to famous European battles against Muslims and neo-Nazi slogans. One of the battles referenced is the 1683 Battle of Vienna against the Ottoman Empire.
Tarrant posted a lengthy online ‘manifesto’ in which he declared his hatred toward “Muslim invaders” and cited Norwegian right-wing terrorist Anders Breivik as an inspiration.”
As a Muslim, I really am not offended by people (Westerners or non-Westerners) who are ignorant or critical of Islam, lets say I understand where they are coming from. This is especially the case when I am able to agree on some other views they have (common ground). I can agree on some points in PJW’s observations of the trends or in some of Jordan Peterson’s clinical psychology (actually, he has some good university courses online on youtube). My philosophy, is that you can take from anyone on Earth what you believe is good and useful information, and discard what you believe is not helpful or bad, on a point by point basis.
My feeling is that these are smart people who are critical of things happening around them, they are mostly sincere in their views, but have a lack of knowledge and spirituality. They are too indoctrinated by the Western thinking of the recent decades. Its really sad actually, when you basically have non-religious people who are advocating for the Westerners to return to their religion :-).
How can a PJW or a Jordan Peterson possibly help young people, when they themselves do not actively preach religion (and possibly do not even practice themselves) ?
They are proud of their Judeo-Christian Western “values”, while they do not even believe or practice their religion or any religion for that matter.
I believe that the West has become so disconnected from spirituality and religion, that they are basically degrading (or collapsing) themselves on a cultural level (among many other levels, economical, societal, etc.). This is really the key issue: a sense of spirituality and belief. Without it, no society can be maintained. Denying the existence and purpose of your soul, is the most unnatural and catastrophic thing you can do on an individual and societal level.
Millions of smart, intelligent people are looking for meaning and purpose. When there is nothing to fill that void they go for alcohol, drugs and try to keep themselves busy with hobbies, which is better than the former, but still they have that void in their hearts. Well educated (in the Western sense) people avoid meaningful and difficult discussions about the purpose of life, about the truth, about how to make this world a better place. They live in a zombie mode…..its really sad to see the emptiness in their eyes.
It is funny that he quotes someone saying that “the vacuity of modern life in the West, its lack of trascendence, lived as it is increasingly without religious or political belief, without a worthwhile creative culture, often without deep personal attachments, and without even a struggle for survival”, when it is precisely the “alt-right”, which he represents all the way, which most have fought politization of the masses and political ideologies, especially that related to organizing of masses for labor rights or class struggle against corporate state and imperialist wars.
It is in points like that where he shows the demagogue he is.
After 3 years of demonizing the left and rewriting history to favor fascism, now this kind of opportunists come to us to tell us about political ideology or any personal attachment, when it is preciselly the labor movements where remain the last strogholds for communal solidarity and organization they so much have fought to rise Trump to power.
@Anonymous
I just wonder, who is the fascists here?
The Democrats were strongly against the liberation of slaves, founded KKK and fought against any civil rights for American citizens.
Equally Obama founded ISIS, secured their monthly payment and arms, and blow up schools and marketplaces.
The globo-homo society with brainwashing and molesting of children in the fake business of clima change, green deal, division of races and religion agenda is also Democratic.
Trump at least likes women, and among Republicans you can still find a larger group who believes in liberty and free enterprise and who dont care about your race but only in your professional skills.
Very correct analysis, my respect!
It is however very difficult to get through a brainwashed public with the fact that Takfirism comes from and are supported from London and Washington.
Rather than labelling and fixing each other, PJW does, notwithstanding al,l a work, isnt it possible just to teach each other facts, when we all from time to time step on the grass?
Saudi´s Salman has confirmed Takfiri´s creation and origin in London.
It’s laughable to see people crying for a dying Western civilization. How many other civilizations this Western civilization had destroyed in the course of history? How many innocent people were killed, maimed, displaced for the triumph of the West? Even nowadays, people from the South who are rushing in Europe and America are victims of western capitalistic and hegemonic practices. So, why complaining for something that is doomed to collapse? Why cry for the demise of a criminal system sucking people blood and sweat?