by Jimmie Moglia for The Saker Blog
As the following content may be controversial, I do not pretend to truth, even to the truth of him whose thought and findings I report. My basic knowledge rests on the understanding that the property of rain is to wet and of fire to burn, and that a great cause of the night is lack of the sun.
Furthermore, given the current rapidity of the information flow, it is possible that what I relate here, by the time it is published, may have become the majority’s opinion. Though probably not, for we should keep in mind that, historically, the fabric of superstition (religious or even scientific) has often defied the feeble efforts of reason.
Which is why I begin with Galileo. It is universally known that Galileo was tried for his unorthodox notion that the earth circled around the sun, rather than otherwise. He had to recant his findings to avoid what happened to Giordano Bruno. Hence Galileo’s reported legendary mumbling as he left the court, “And yet it moves” (‘it’ being the earth in its revolution around the sun).
Theoretically speaking, the theologians may have had a point. Those readers who in their youth used trains instead of planes for transport, may recall what happened when they sat on a train waiting to depart, while another identical train was stationed on the adjacent rail. When your train, or the other began to move, for one second or so it was difficult to say if it was yours or the other train that was moving. A phenomenon consistent with the general notion of relative motion.
But Galileo’s assertions proved even more heretical when – using his DIY telescope – he discovered that Jupiter had satellites. For the finding disproved the assumption whereby the earth is the exceptional celestial object around which all other worlds do circle – the astronomical equivalent of the ‘exceptional’ nation of Obamanian memory.
Faced with the dilemma, the bishop of Pisa issued a directive to the parishes, admonishing that it was sinful to look through a telescope, because it showed objects that didn’t exist.
As of now, it is uncertain whether the world is a large assembly of bishops of Pisa or, as it may still be not sinful to hope, common sense will prevail.
One prevailing characteristic of the current Coronavirus metaphorical fever is the fantastic and logically inconsistence of the reports.
The Latin dictum or principle “Natura non facit saltus” (nature makes no leaps) has been an important principle of natural philosophy. The sentence is attributed to Gottfried Leibniz, (1646-1746), one of the inventors of the infinitesimal calculus – though perhaps better known for his assertion, reached through elaborate reasoning, that ours is the best of all possible words.
The principle is/was also an essential element of Charles Darwin’s treatment of natural selection in his ‘Origin of Species.’ And while many may take issue with Leibnitz’ opinion of our world, less probably disagree with the notion of natural selection.
As readers know, Italy came at the forefront of the Conoravirus phenomenon for the extraordinary higher number of cases and terrifying death toll, even exceeding China’s, where it all started.
At which some dissenting voices began to be heard, disputing the earlier findings – and/or at least disputing how they were reported.
The bitter and obstinate opposition made to those who, however clearly and with tenable arguments, disputed the data, induces the unbiased observer to at least hypothesize that some dormant privilege or as yet unexplained assumption has been attacked.
I would suggest to disregard the ‘battle of qualifications’ whereby a graduate of university X knows more than a graduate of university Y. As I mentioned before, my (however tentative) assessment of the plausibility and credibility of an explanation rests on:
- Whether the explanation is consistent with common sense and with what is commonly known on the debated issue,
- Whether the person in question has direct experience (and for how long) with the problem on which he expresses his views, and
- Whether his physiognomy is in reasonable harmony with perceivable symptoms of credibility. An idea elaborated in extreme detail with and with a massive related study, by the Swiss author Johann Lavater, at the end of the 1700.
I will begin with Dr. Stefano Montanari, a nano-pathologist who, for over twenty years, along with his wife, has researched nano-pathogens, the very minute illness-causing particles that typically float in the air of all crowded, polluted, highly trafficked, industrial cities, as well as factories.
[ For Italian speakers, the link to the original interview is at https://bit.ly/2UBuRX2 ]
Translation:
The prefix ‘nano’ refers to the dramatically small size of the items studied. It takes 25,400,000 nanometers to make an inch. The size of the smallest particle recognizable by the naked eye is 100,000 nanometers. Therefore nano-pathogens are dramatically small, though the damage they cause to the lungs is inversely proportional to their size.
The size of a nano-pathogen is between 5 and 200 nanometers. Considering that a virus is considered large at 250 nanometers, nano-pathogens and viruses (corona or otherwise), have the same order of magnitude. For expedience I will signal the questions put to Dt. Montanari by three dashes.
— Where did the virus originate?
All the news we have had so far is varied, fragmentary, and unverifiable. First it seemed it was born in China, then not in China (see previous article “Science and Fiction” – where virologist Dr. Wodarg claimed that some coronaviruses, belonging or related to the current entity called ‘the’ coronavirus, were already discovered in Georgia, USA in 2015).
Some said they come from bats, some that they were created in a laboratory to exterminate people in mass. Someone may know but they are very few. As for the bats, we may as well add the unicorn and we have completed the picture.
The fact that ‘this’ coronavirus is considered new, is anything but exceptional. There are very many coronaviruses. The common cold is often due to a coronavirus. They are viruses that by themselves cannot cause death, and very often are totally innocuous. This new strain is very infective, which means that it can more easily enter into people.
However, in the overwhelming majority of people it remains innocuous and without showing clinical indication of symptoms. But it hits, as an illness, old people, especially old people who take medicines used to treat other pulmonary diseases, or who have other pathologies.
Healthy people suffer absolutely no damage from this virus(es), which is probably ubiquitous and can be found everywhere in the billions, like billions of other viruses. Therefore I am convinced that, if we sought the virus in the 60-million Italians, we would find it at least in 30 million and probably more. As I said, this virus is found everywhere and it stays there without absolutely causing any harm, just like the enormous number of other viruses, present but harmless.
Mortality from the virus is very low and probably non-existent. But an illness with the virus is another matter. Yesterday evening (about Mar 23, my note) we heard a primary doctor in a hospital saying that the virus is the same as an illness. This gentleman should go back to school, but not to university, a bit further back, to elementary school. It is a statement that makes no logical sense.
To die of an illness means that the illness is the cause of death. For example, a myocardial infarction is a cause of death. If someone is run over by a train, the ensuing trauma is the cause of death. If he who is run over by a train happens also to have a cold, the cold is not the cause of death. He casually happened to have a cold.
I am convinced that if all deaths were checked – about 650,000 people die in Italy physiologically every year – you would find more than half having the coronavirus, probably many more than half. For they are old people who have this coronavirus in their body. The omnipresence of the coronavirus type and other coronaviruses is a fact, not a hypothesis.
— I see here the latest numbers from the official press service , indicating that Italy surpassed China in number of deaths during a single day, 475, of which 319 in Lombardy. Therefore I am asking you, Dr. Montanari, if you still use the adjective ‘harmless’ referring to the virus.
No, the virus is not harmless. It affects the lungs, just as there are viruses that affect the guts, hence diarrhea, the stomach, hence vomiting, the nervous system, hence headaches etc.
It means that, in certain cases, especially the old, they need respiratory care. If you examine the age of the dead they are on average eighty-year old. A respirator is common equipment in a hospital. I have spent more than 40 years in hospital operating rooms, and it is absolutely standard equipment.
That we do not have them or have too few (in Italy) is due to our having, through the last 10 years, destroyed our health system. We have closed entire hospital departments, as well as many smaller hospitals.
The purchasing system is bad, and all that is needed in a hospital costs double than in other countries – because the purchasing system is corrupted at the capillary level. (My note: the very governor of the region of Lombardy was recently condemned to six years in jail for a monstrous appropriation of funds (in the hundreds of millions) destined to health care)
We are facing an emergency – if we can thus call it – because we are not prepared, due to the 10-year long process of dismantling the system. And when I hear it said that the Italian health system is the best in the world my arms fall, and maybe not just the arms.
— But how do you explain the images of coffins carried away by military trucks from hospitals in the city of Bergamo. Would you still maintain that the cause of the death was not the coronavirus?
Look, and I am quoting the National Institute of Health, the actual deaths attributed or certified as having been caused by the corona virus were 3 (this was a few days ago when the numbers reported were already in the hundred). And when I hear Mario Giordano (a well-known journalist) say that we should not divulge this news, I wonder what kind of journalism we have in Italy (and maybe in the world). I’m not talking about the parish newspaper, I’m talking about a journalist of great notoriousness, who says something contrary to the very ethics of journalism… this man is advocating disinformation. It is a shame.
— If this virus mutates quickly does it mean that maybe the Italian virus is not the same as the Chinese?
It is not maybe, for sure it’s not the same as the German virus isolated in Germany, nor it is the same as the Chinese. It is the nature of viruses – they look for stability, for a state to be in in for a while. To achieve this the virus mutates at great speed. Tomorrow it will no longer be what it is today, and so on. But (the coronavirus) is not the only virus behaving this way. We host a huge number of viruses in our body. Many of them are also indispensable for our life. They are not even beings as such – they are a kind of chemical chains. The current type (Coronavirus) is particular for its relationship to RNA and DNA but let’s not go into this. There are many with similar structural characteristics. They mutate very quickly – therefore when attempting to look for a remedy for this or that virus you run after something that runs faster than us.
— But how about the images from hospitals showing people with respirators. Is your explanation that the phenomenon is not due to the severity of the virus but to the cuts to health care?
We are not prepared for a disease that affects the lungs. For our politicians have destroyed our health system. You know very well, as a journalist, how easy it is to manipulate text and images to create a message.
There are definitely people with respirators who definitely need it – and they must be helped by it. But all these coffins are part of the 650,000 deaths we have every year in Italy – there is no increase in mortality. And if you go to any hospital, you see coffins coming out every day. Many years ago I turned down a job in childhood oncology, precisely because I could not stand the spectacle of the white coffins that passed by me constantly. We are talking about nothing and, as I said, you know that it is possible to manipulate images and context to achieve the impression you wish to convey. (follow examples of unforgettable momentous events then quickly forgotten)
Here we are talking of 3 people’s death attributable to Coronavirus. If the number does not please the media that is another matter, but the facts are what they are – and that number, as I said, comes out from the National Institute for Health.
— But then the pneumonia caused by the covid-19 is different from the pneumonia we have known so far?
It is an interstitial pneumonia, it is a viral pneumonia, but there have been these types of viruses in Italy for several months. We never talk about it, but already, for example, in October, that is about 5-6 months ago, there were patients with atypical pneumonia – pneumonia not normally seen and about which we knew nothing. The source was unknown, it was impossible to counteract the virus pharmacologically, and we had to wait for those sick people to heal themselves. They healed by themselves, because, contrary to what some try to make you believe, we have immune defenses that are very much stronger than the vast majority of drugs.
We have on our skin various bacteria, fungi and viruses that are there to contrast and counteract pathogen bacteria and fungi, meaning carriers of illness. In fact when we wear gloves to combat the coronavirus, we are not helping because we do not allow our bacteria, fungi and viruses present on the skin to interact with the pathogenic ones. Then with gloves-covered hands we touch our clothes, we touch the money handed by the cashiers from the stores still open – the same gloves on which the viruses came to rest. Hence those gloves are distinctly worse than non-gloves. We are dealing with imbecils, ignorant of the elementary principles of biology.
— Therefore it is as if we couldn’t build antibodies in this way …
We don’t build antibodies to this virus – we already have immune defenses, from rhinos to elephants to goldfish, we all have the capacity to heal ourselves. If you have a headache, and I give you some enamel to apply to your nails, it was not the enamel that cured the headache. It was just that next day the body eliminated the headache – and this happens at large.
My old professor of physiology used to say that an untreated flu lasts 7 days, a treated flu lasts one week. This means that we presumptuously interfere with nature without realizing what we are doing so.
As for the masks… they are useless. There are millions, billions of viruses for every square meter of the earth, on the sidewalk and so on. It’s an illusion following from the (imagined) idea that viruses are as big as sewer rats. A notion that perhaps arose from the words of Ms. Lorenzin when, as Minister of Health, she said that viruses crawl and jump around (as if they were animals).
Viruses exist in enormous quantities and can enter in enormous quantities inside the cells, which are a few thousands of a millimeter wide. Wearing a mask compares with raising a gate to prevent mosquitoes from entering your house.
— But if the disease is not so serious why every day more and more restrictive measures are placed on us? How do the authorities of the institutions justify their behavior?
The major issue at stake is, or are, the vaccines. The regime that now encompasses the world will force the world to vaccinate – that is to vaccinate with and against a virus that does not give immunity, as this (the coronavirus) is the case.
If 50 years ago, at my exam of pharmacology, I had told my examining professor – who was one of the most knowledgeable pharmacologists of the time – something like that, I would have been thrown out of the door. For only an incompetent can imagine a vaccine against a virus that does not give immunity and has no chance of being effective. We are talking about a virus that mutates at very fast speed and we cannot possibly run after it (its mutations).
It’s a virus somehow similar to the cold virus, whose family it belongs to. You can’t vaccinate against the common cold because the common cold does not give immunity. In the course of a life, a person can have a cold 200 times, and at no time that cold will give immunity (against the next). It is a colossal fraud. We are close to 8 billion people forced to be vaccinated and it will be an unimaginably enormous business.
— But then, if the most immediate defence consists in keeping the lungs efficient how does a smoker deal with the issue?
Badly. We all have bronchi. They are tubes that become thinner and thinner (as they approach the lungs). They convey air to the 600 million small bags, called pulmonary alveoli, in which oxygen and carbon dioxide are exchanged.
Along the bronchial tubes all healthy people have a thin, but indispensable layer of mucus, which envelopes and blocks dust, viruses and bacteria. Furthermore healthy people have, in the bronchi, what are called vibratile cilia – they are a kind of whips whipping out of the lungs these dust, viruses, bacteria and fungi.
The smoker has a layer of mucus that is relatively enormously thicker. The vibratile cilia not only cannot throw out what has been enveloped by the mucus – which in the smoker becomes catarrh – but they become paralyzed. What happens then is that the invaders slip down, slip into the pulmonary alveoli and do not come out anymore. Consequently the smoker gets viruses, bacteria, fungi in much greater number than a non-smoker does.
— On the subject of swabs (to verify the presence of the coronavirus), I would like to know from you what do you think of the governor of Veneto (Mr. Zaia) who said that we will take swabs from everybody.
The governor is clearly incompetent and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Besides, for the analysis of the swabs special equipment is needed. The analysis cannot be done in the kitchen – both equipment and expertise are required. And then there is a further problem. The results, in more than 80% of the cases are false positive. Therefore there is a real risk of telling a person that he is ‘positive’ when he is not.
But there is more. Most of those who are actually positive have no symptoms – as is the case with the vast majority of viruses that exist in this world. Therefore, should we isolate and turn perfectly healthy people into sick people?
This is very serious, because – and this has been known for many decades – depressed people have lower defenses against pathologies and get sick more often. You take from these people the possibility to go out in the sun – without which the body cannot properly metabolize vitamin D, which is essential to protect our immune system.
So we stay at home in a bad mood, we cannot metabolize vitamin D and we get sick more easily. All these ideas, taken by perfectly incompetent people, are deleterious and worsen the situation.
People should be told to stay outside in the sun, to walk, to move around, to try staying healthy and eat healthily. Not to stay indoor, in the dark and without sun. These incompetents don’t realize the harm they do or maybe they realize it, I don’t know.
— This seems a vicious circle. But, compared to the SARS (epidemic) what are the differences?
(The coronavirus) is one of the many lung viruses (like SARS), causing an atypical pneumonia. They are cousins, almost brothers. And SARS did not cause disasters.
There have been other similar pathologies, the swine flu, the avian flu… In the case of the avian flu Italy bought 27-million vaccine doses of which we disposed 26-million and 700-thousand. We paid all that money for vaccines that we threw in the sewers. We have no money for respirators but money to buy a vaccine.
We are ruled by the incompetent and I do not wish to talk about corruption, though I am tempted to. It’s like commander Schettino to the umpteenth power [Schettino was the commander of the Cruise Liner “Costa Concordia” that ran aground near an island close to Tuscany in 2012. He wanted to blow the ship’s horn to wish a Happy Birthday to a friend in the island, while showing off for his Moldavian girlfriend, a personal friend as well as unregistered passenger on board – 32 people died, the cost of the damage was in the billions range).
— There are those who claim that the coronavirus is seasonal. Could you give a prediction on when this emergency will end …
I cannot say whether it is seasonal or not. Like almost all viruses it can be affected by temperature. It is certain that nature is wiser than our statesmen and many doctors. Besides, it is not corrupt.
Nature knows well that when we get sick , the body raises the temperature because, from the point of view of fighting the illness, the higher the temperature, the more efficient is the illness-fighting system – meaning that the temperature improves the efficiency of our immune system and decreases the vital capacity of bacteria and fungi – assuming that the viruses have a life.
But what do the doctors do? They gives the patient Tachypyrine – which takes away that defense connected with higher temperature. The doctor prescribes Tachypyrine when his patient has a 37.8 C (100.04 F) temperature. It compares to a besieged city throwing down the walls to let more air in.
It is pure folly.
As for the coronavirus, it happens that in the summer the temperature rises and it is possible that this virus reduces its vital capacity. Vital capacity is a wrong expression, but let’s say so for simplicity.
It is possible that in the summer the virus presence drops. Even so, the matter is not that relevant. Every year we have 20,000 deaths from influenza but no one talks about it. Furthermore we have 49000 deaths per year due to infections contracted in the hospital. The data is official. 49000 people, (130-140 people per day) die because they are admitted into a hospital, say, for an appendicitis and then they die of pneumonia. No one is talking about it but we have many more deaths from these infections than we have had from a coronavirus, even since the beginning of this farce. We are facing something beyond absurd, which at least invites suspicion.
— Therefore, in summary, one cannot die of covid-19 unless the patient has previous pathologies.
Listen. If I throw you from the tenth floor and you had a cold or flu or had arthritis, I cannot say that you died of arthritis, flu or cold – you died because I threw you from the tenth floor. Go and see the data from the Higher Institute of health – you find that those who died from coronavirus are all people who have cancer, who have a very strong diabetes, who are obese who are old. Eighty-year-olds, as is the average death-norm in Italy, and 80 years also remains the death-norm associated with coronavirus, because they are all people who die of other diseases.
— How about the latest news about the death of a 32-year-old young man (from coronavirus)?
I cannot blame them but I did not understand. How sure are we that he died of coronavirus and not ‘with’ coronavirus? This patient had several health problems, some caused by an infection contracted in Cuba 2 years ago. Is this not meaningful in your opinion?
Surely you cannot think that if one is infected with coronavirus then he should heal from cancer or from whatever other disease. If someone has cancer, or a heart condition, and also accidentally the coronavirus, what does it mean? We are really facing a colossal scam.
— Do you agree, however, that it is good that the most affected, the most weak should stay at home?
No, it’s good for them to go out, to sunbathe, to stay outside, to stroll, to stay healthy, because if they remain locked in the house, they are more likely to die. Do you want to speed-up the death of the elderly? Should we keep them out of the air, out of the sun? They must walk, they must stay in the sun, they must exercise. In summary, they must do all that has always been said (as good for health) and that today is denied to them for interests that are abhorrent.
— Let’s move on to England and Boris Johnson, as the last question. He wanted to rely on ‘’Herd Immunity’ but then he retracted…
His reasoning resembles his hair. We are facing pure madness . Firstly, herd immunity is a brilliant invention and fantasy created by the pharmaceutical industry. Only an imbecile can believe that there exists such a monstrosity as herd immunity, which simply doesn’t.
If you wish, we can make another show where I’ll explain why (herd immunity) is a scam. But even if it existed, how does herd immunity exist for a disease that does not give you immunity? It is as if you were saying that herd immunity exists for colds. We’re really in front of a character (Boris Johnson) who speaks because he has a tongue. He is dangerous and should be stopped.
— He cannot because he is at the head of the of Great Britain. We have touched on the most important points. Have we left anything out?
There is one point we did not touch – the economic, which is not part of my competence. We are now blocking the world and, as for Italy, the economy was already at a low point. What do they (we) do? They freeze all activities but keep the stock exchange open. The stocks reach low bottom. What does it mean? The ultra billionaire can easily purchase companies that are now worth pennies.
When eventually it will be decided that the (coronavirus) farce is ended – and nothing will end because this virus will continue undaunted to do what it’s doing now (or its evolving strains will do), the ultra-billionaires will own everything. The rich (a degree below the billionaires) will have bought, say, 3-4 restaurants and/or 10 stores that had to close. In summary, all who were rich will be infinitely richer, But we will also have a flood-tide of people who will always be poorer. This will be another consequence of this fake epidemic, perhaps, who knows, created on purpose.
— I would like to close with your comment on the possible correlation between pollution and the development of the virus…
We have talked and studied this for many years. When there are dusts, micro and nano particles, the viruses – all almost infinitely small –stick to the nano-particles, which then become the vehicles for the viruses, as well as for dioxins, furans (another toxic compound), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and an infinite number of other substances.
All this is widely known – but now some pundits say so as if it were a novelty. We have been saying this for 20 years.
End of the interview.
I started with Galileo, because I had a cunning plan to bring him up again at the end. The Vatican chief prosecutor of Galileo was Cardinal Roberto Bellarmino, the same, by the way, who was instrumental in condemning Giordano Bruno to the stake. In the circumstances Galileo’s decision to officially renege on the on the geo-centric theory of the universe was wise.
We should, however, consider that both Galileo and Bruno lived during the peak times of the Counterreformation. And the Counterreformation was the Catholic response to Lutheranism, just as the Patriot Act (never rescinded, by the way), was the response to 9/11.
Still, Cardinal Bellarmino had some remarkable skills. One of them was persuasive oratory. He attracted both Catholic and Protestants to his debates and was skilled at counter-arguing and rebutting the Calvinist theories that spread rapidly in the Dutch provinces.
In the case at hand, Dr. Montanari found a contemporary Cardinal Bellarmino in the shape of a Dr. Burioni, who has become a TV celebrity (corporate official channels) and made big bucks as an adamant advocate of the universal power of all vaccines.
It goes without saying that the pharmaceutical lobby insures that only pro-vaccine voices are heard in the syndicated (there are no other) corporate channels. The situation mirrors the US. In fact Dr. Montanari could only be heard on an Internet channel.
But whereas Cardinal Bellarmino was acknowledged as an intelligent individual – though misguided at least from a Christian or humane point of view – Dr. Burioni is an ass who uses his ass as an instrument of cogitation. And this not for his views on vaccines, which is a matter of opinion, but for his reaction to Dr. Burioni’s interview, when it became clear that it was circulating more widely than expected.
Among other things Dr. Burioni is the head of a nebulous “Coalition Across Science,” whose funding is obscure but whose aim is to make ALL scientists agree with Burioni’s interpretation of the Coronavirus and with the worth of a forthcoming vaccine. Hence the “Coalition Across Science” even includes sociologists, behaviorists and ethologists who, for example, study the mating behavior of bonobo monkeys.
To fight Dr. Montanari, Burioni has filed a legal suit, seeking penalties or incarceration for Dr. Montanari and the closure of the Internet station that published the above rendered interview.
I will spare the reader the lengthy motivations in the accusations of the braggart Burioni. The most interesting and to any same person incredible are:
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Montanari is a scientific popularizer – therefore his voice is perceived by people as authoritative and therefore his statements take on an even more serious aspect….
It is therefore up to the judicial authority to determine whether there are any criminal wrongdoings in Montanari’s video and in particular a breach of Art 656 (publication of criminal information or dissemination of exaggerated or tendentious false news, likely to disturb public order)….
Art 656 prescribes a prison sentence of at least 3 months and a monetary penalty.
When the judicial authority verifies criminal offences in the conduct described, it will have to consider the adoption of any measure, also aimed at obscuring and seizing the YouTube channels where these videos are present, if not already removed.
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The patient reader who read so far, may or will draw his/her own conclusions. The information published here is clearly inconsistent with the perception conveyed by the corporate channels – suggesting ubiquitous (Coronavirus) deaths and great dangers to disbelievers or disobeyers of the safety injunctions.
Puzzled by the inconsistency – and to run a check, however minute – I travelled around two local hospitals near the emergency section and saw nothing unusual, at least as measured by the traffic of ambulances.
As for judging who is telling the truth and who isn’t, let any of my 25 readers decide. As for me I am reminded of the advice that Timon of Athens gave to two robbers who came to see him, “Trust not the physician, for his antidotes are poison, and he slays more than you rob.”
Tante grazie, Jimmie..!
… solo un articolo eccellente.
Citerò questo: “The ultra billionaire can easily purchase companies that are now worth pennies.”
Un ottimo “motivo” per tutte queste cose da clown, tra le altre cose.
Saluti..!
Google translation,MOD:
Thank you very much, Jimmie ..!
… just an excellent article.
I will quote this: “The ultra billionaire can easily purchase companies that are now worth pennies.”
An excellent “reason” for all these clown things, among other things.
Regards..!
I am concerned that governments will make the vaccine compulsory.
nah ….. I am fkn deeply worried ….. not for myself, I am an old fk and will not be missed. I am concerned for my children and particularly my grandchildren
We all know the dangers of taking any drug, a rushed vaccine is a license to aim and kill
I believe you are right to be concerned. I have a suspicion that this whole sorry business, is more about a vaccine than anything else. So don’t be too surprised, when rather sooner than later, they announce to world-wide applause, that a new wonder coronavirus vaccine is now available for all. Of course, it will be safe and effective.
The endless hype and claustrophobic restrictions will mean that most people will be crying out for the vaccine, which they hope will return some normality to their lives. The headlong rush to be vaccinated may be so strong, that those who really decide things will go straight for the long cherished golden scenario of compulsory vaccination for all. Perhaps nearly all will be strongly favour of this massive step into the unknown.
If Dr Montanari is correct, then an effective vaccine is not possible. So the vaccine will be at best just another well fattened cash cow for Big Pharma, but at worst it will be something a lot more sinister. We live in interesting times.
Thank you Jimmie – a delight for the intellect once again and an intriguing perspective from your experience in the health field. Your comments about the destruction of the Italian health system explains a great deal. I like your comments about sunshine and our natural healing capacities.
By now I believe I can detect two really germaine drivers here. Both are offshoots of a terminal patriarchal capitalist system. One being that, as BF commented elsewhere, it serves the masters of Wall Street to crash the economy from time to time in order to maximize their capital profits in record time. The other being that the Pharmaceutical industry makes enormous profits from sickness and hence is objectively driven to promote fear and illness – hence the propaganda drive for a vaccine. Thank you for your inside knowledge on the evil of vaccines. As we all here know by now, both of these entities have monopoly control of the established mass media. Can we expect a law to be passed soon making vaccination for corona compulsory?
Of late I have felt myself intuitively driven to take an intense interest in the history of ancient Rome. The reason being is that it is easy for me to see that, contrary to conventional understanding, the Roman Empire never really collapsed at all. It, just like the common virus, mutated and changed its form. It lived on as Roman Christianity and the philosophy of Law and Government that still rules the West. But most definitively as the patriarchal obsession with individual, materially acquisitive class supremacy. Rome invented individualistic capitalism buttressed by patriarchal law. As Marx said, “the rule of religion is the religion of rule.” Hence the religion of fascism, secretly sacred to the ruling class. My point here is that we are now living in the time of the real fall of the Roman Empire. And all of this is but a tell tale symptom. But can we not say that such a great death presages an even greater birth?
I don’t think it is Mr Moglia here that answers the questions but Dr. Stefano Montanari given the link he provided
Yes, it is Dr Stefano Montanari who is making the technical points about coronavirus. Dr Montanari is definitely ruffling a few mainstream feathers.
If you are able to read German, my latest Installation in ‘Tage und Äonen’
concerning the world-hour of Constantine, might find your interest. Nice synchronicity
I posted my Rome-stuff on Monday.
https://mundanomaniac.blogspot.com/2020/03/das-erdhoroskop-von-154-konstantin.html
We grope along the wall like blind men, We grope like those who have no eyes; We stumble at midday as in the twilight, Among those who are vigorous we are like dead men. Isiah 59:10
Moglia, Moglia impressive thank you:
Watching what is occurring in Italy puzzles me some due to the hailstorms hitting three cities? Is it not astounding really how there exists a pattern to what is occurring with the weather? Take Italy for example and Hailstorms hitting three major cities and even Rome herself. If weather was just a natural phenomena pushed along because of natural laws would we be seeing such direct hits upon cities? Climate change is not occurring haphazardly as if the planet caught a cold or something?
I’m afraid a wake-up call is shortly forthcoming whereby the world’s citizens are going to learn what Noah knew firsthand:
Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.
Very simple and straightforward yes about what or rather WHO is causing climate change!!!! The more important question however, is with no rainbows in Italy what pray tell has grabbed the attention of God and you Moglia have shed light on that for me. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know whenever some misfortune befell the ancient Israelite nation they were quick to recognize something was up and accordingly blew the rams horn the shofar for immediate national repentance and seeking of God for answers. Today we look to the scientists and other ignorant people the imbeciles who KNOW LITTLE TO nothing about the bible and its teachings and that unfortunately includes clergy? Nice eh?
If there is an underlying agenda well given the prophecies of the bible it largely revolves around
the China Social Credit System?
And O poor Galileo, if St. Paul was told or asked about the planets and such do you know what his response would have been? He would have looked at Galileo and would have said to him do you know what happened in Jerusalem? Do you understand what happened there and the hope we have? He was consumed with knowing Christ and wanted everyone to know the same. Its too bad the pope didn’t and don’t recognize that fact even today!!!!!!!
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Cor. 2:2
God works in strange ways.
He hit North&Central Italian Chinese factorys in Dec/Jan
He hit Wuhan ( chicago of china )
Then he his Iran (QOM) for good measure
Then he said “It was Chinese Tourists”, then for good measure he said “Just the Flu”
Then he just sat back and watched all the enemy’s of Israel-USA get culled.
The Lord does work in strange ways, three places all at once.
The only common connection is that they’re all Chinese related places of business. What Trump God could not do with Tariff’s he accomplished with the Plague.
“If I have seen farther than others, its only because I have stood on the penthouse floor of the Trump Tower” – Newton
Yes of course, this chinese coronavirus or Italian coronavirus epidemic is just a complete hoax and that’s why even mortal enemies like Iran and the USA or Russia and Britain or the EU are all in on the conspiracy and cooperating to propagate the hoax while their national wealth implodes and while they risk a revolt or suffering to the breaking point from an already stressed population (Iran for example)
Why doesn’t the author apply the same rules of logic and skepticism to his own assumptions that he expects of the medical community. His assertion that this virus is background and the deaths are just incidental to already sick people flies in the face of massive overload to countries with well stocked medical infrastructure (ie not corrupt Italy with its crooked politicians).
Why would China destroy their only shot of becoming a truly global financial leader by imploding their own economy, destroying their own reputation, exposing to the rest of the world, the globe’s nations over-dependence on them for critical items? And to do so at the worst possible time: at a time when supply chains were moving away from China due to Trump’s trade war? This so called hoax has accelerated the imperative to move manufacturing away from China either back to the West or to multiple other players in Asia. Why would China shoot itself in the foot like that? Doesn’t make sense because this pandemic is not a hoax. China has been so badly damaged by this that they will never be able to confront the West nor dominate as they were attempting to do. There is no way that China’s government would collude with their competitors, sabotage themselves like this to propagate a global hoax in concert with their enemies.
I have personally visited the ICU of my local hospital and seen the huge overload myself (I was there to give last rights to a close relative dying of ARDS). The mortality and load was 6 fold what the hospital has ever experienced and only climbing.
I don’t think Jimmie or Dr. Montenari were saying that the virus is a HOAX.
That very word is a rhetorical device, kind of similar in its use to “conspiracy theory.”
Use of the word “hoax” is kind of incendiary.
I believe they are saying that the response to it is is not appropriate, is making things worse, and hides an agenda that is not citizens’ health and general well-being. Dr. Montenari argues that the drive to impose vaccines does not comport with physiological facts when it comes to this corona virus and others.
Possibly that subtopic of the whole topic—the drive to impose universal vaccines as a “cure”— could be called a hoax, one perpetrated by Big Pharma. The real purpose of enforced universal vaccination seems to be social control.
Katherine
Which is a fools errand, anyone could see that.
agree Katherine
Katherine
You said….”I don’t think Jimmie or Dr. Montenari were saying that the virus is a HOAX.”
Well, it sure sounded like that to me!…
“But all these coffins are part of the 650,000 deaths we have every year in Italy – there is no increase in mortality. And if you go to any hospital, you see coffins coming out every day.”
and
“Healthy people suffer absolutely no damage from this virus(es), which is probably ubiquitous and can be found everywhere in the billions, like billions of other viruses. Therefore I am convinced that, if we sought the virus in the 60-million Italians, we would find it at least in 30 million and probably more. As I said, this virus is found everywhere and it stays there without absolutely causing any harm, just like the enormous number of other viruses, present but harmless.”
and
“Mortality from the virus is very low and probably non-existent.”
Please don’t put words into others’ mouths.
I find that this is quite common.
If someone didn’t use the word “hoax,” then don’t say that they did, or that you know that this is what they really meant.
Katherine
Can everyone keep things civil. Mod.
agreed, and the backgrounds of Dr Fauci and his good friend Bill Gates, quoted this week as saying the virus
would be with us until the entire world is vaccinated, should be a cause for concern. As well Gates’ involvement with CV ‘drill’ Event 201 (entirely about corporate division of the spoils of war), and his early insistance that everyone would have to “show their papers” in the form of a digital certificate of test or vaccine status. Went unsaid was the plan to tatoo this certificate on you.
Quote attributed to Dr Ai Fan director of ER wuhan Central Hospital
On January 21, our emergency department saw 1,523 patients, three times as often as usual, of which 655 had fever. During that time, the situation of the emergency department will never be forgotten by people who have experienced it, and it will even subvert all your outlook on life…… Prior to this epidemic, myocardial infarction, cerebral infarction, gastrointestinal bleeding, trauma and so on were the areas of our emergency department. That kind of busyness is a busy one with a sense of accomplishment. The purpose is clear. There are smooth procedures for various types of patients. They are very mature. And this time there are so many critically ill patients who have no way to deal with and cannot be admitted to hospital, and our medical staff is still at this risk. This kind of busyness is really helpless and sad….. As doctors, especially the many doctors who came to support them, they couldn’t bear it psychologically. When this happened, some doctors and nurses cried. One is crying others, and the other is crying themselves, because everyone does not know when it is their turn to become infected.
Also, although I do not discard the elites taking advantage from this event to crush us as usual and sell us another useless vaccine, the testimony and reasonement by this doctor and author do not explain the high number of health workers who have died or got in critical situation through this pandemic.
This, really, do not happen every year.
“We are facing something beyond absurd, which at least invites suspicion.”
I’m glad to see more articles questioning the official narrative in a very intellectual manner, very risky in the current environment. I’ll have to re-read to more fully understand everything. Galileo indeed.
Thanks Jimmie!
Absurd only if you failed to study the “1918 Flu”, if you did you would know that 50-100M died, that USA lied the entire time about the deaths more than 600K. That was civilians in USA. More people died of the virus during combat WW1, than from actual war or fighting.
The civil war was the same, most deaths were viral, and infection.
WW1 was especially bad because trench warfare took the already infected men, and mutated into a plague, that when they return home to USA, it decimated entire towns.
Study the history folks and understand that then & now people said “Just the Flu”, no problem, go ahead have a parade, have a party. Celebrate the war heroes coming come ( all 100% infected )
The funny thing is that nobody knows the history, its not discussed, just like the ‘mask’ back in 1918 entire city’s would shoot you on sight if seen outdoors without a mask. It was a known-known that spreaders didn’t have symptoms that their cough could kill everyone in a movie theatre in 12 hours.
The MSM in 1918 ignored the ‘flu’ when it was in USA in Kansas, and it FT-Riley, not until massive deaths in Spain did the MSM discuss the flu, thus they called it the ‘spanish flu’, but it started in USA, and when it returned it had mutated into a killer. Then & now US-mil didn’t give a hell about civilian USA deaths or US-MIL deaths, they just didn’t care, all they cared about is not making German’s think the USA was weak.
Know your history? Are you sure? The main killer in Spanish Flu was through the use of Aspirin – the new wonder drug of the day. Why? Because it reduced fever, which allowed the invading pathogen to survive and breed. End result – pneumonia – the number one cause of death in flu victims.
You are right -” Hyperthermia in humans enhances interferon-gamma synthesis …”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3132509
Interferon :In a typical scenario, a virus-infected cell will release interferons causing nearby cells
to heighten their anti-viral defenses.
Lowering body temperature (aspirin and others) short term is comfortable , long term is very bad.
So let fever do the job- monitoring not to go over 41 C .
Now days we underestimate ability of human organism to resist infection or toxin .
600K die in USA, 50M-100M die worldwide, because of ‘aspirin’ truly Hasbara owns this site
An Italian observer claims the deaths started after Eastern European nurses who had been caring for the disabled & elderly 24/7 suddenly left, and subsequent situation caused by the quarantine:
In recent weeks most of the Eastern European nurses who worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week supporting people in need of care in Italy have left the country in a hurry. This is not least because of the panic-mongering and the curfews and border closures threatened by “emergency governments”. As a result, old people in need of care and disabled people, some without relatives, were left helpless by their carers.
Many of these abandoned people then ended up after a few days in the hospitals, which had been permanently overloaded for years, because they were dehydrated, among other things. Unfortunately, the hospitals lacked the personnel who had to look after the children locked up in their apartments because schools and kindergartens had been closed. This then led to the complete collapse of the care for the disabled and elderly, especially in those areas where even harder “measures” were ordered, and to chaotic conditions.
The nursing emergency, which was caused by the panic, temporarily led to many deaths among those in need of care and increasingly among younger patients in the hospitals. These fatalities then served to cause even more panic among those in charge and the media…
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest
You have a very good point there. These migrant “nurses” to elderly in the richer EU are found all over. Sudden return to home country due to fear would increase number of elderly without care. Never considered that possibility. It certainly would be one multiplying factor in the number of patients headed to the hospitals.
Badante: the ghosts of Italian society…
https://cafebabel.com/en/article/badante-the-ghosts-of-italian-society-5ae00a19f723b35a145e5e21/
Thank you Jimmie Moglia,
I appreciate your time in making this public. Dr. Stefano Montanari, is sanity in an world gone insane via mass media.
May Dr. Stefano Montanari, survive the court case.
take care. ~ bill
I love your writing, I am one of the 25.
Galileo muttering is from Brecht, he never said it. You may find interesting an article by Solange Herz on Galileo and your misguided Bellarmino. This is enjoyable and imperative. I managed to find a link:
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/11888010/recanting-galileo-by-solange-strong-hertz-lewisdtcom
Few hours ago, on Moon of Alabama, somebody posted this link:
The link worked for me. Copy / paste of this https://www.filmyourhospital.com to Google worked
This time, they have outdone themselves…..
Did really Galileo say ‘e pur si muove’ or is a legend created to show him a martyr for ‘Science’? In fact his ‘explanations’ were against ‘common sense’ and ‘what was commonly known on the debated issue’!
Giordano Bruno was burnt at stake for multiple heresies among which: anti-Trinitarianism, rejection of the virginity of Mary and transubstantiation, doctrine of the infinite universe and infinite worlds in conflict with the idea of Creation, magic (which alone would have destined him to the stake according to Roman Law).
Unless each government has sent a fully independent research team to one of these virus hot-spots then they are effectively shutting down their economies and imprisoning their populations on hearsay.
The statistics which are being released are not sufficient to bring a country to a halt and the draconian measures being implemented can not be justified based on what we know so far.
The fact that the worlds media is acting in lockstep without challenge only highlights the incongruity of the entire affair.
some time ago there was a big protest in Italia against obligatory vaccination. Well people we will teach you a lesson . ……. we know who is behind all this. Good news for girls in TW countries have no fear you can’t get pregnant
Get all ready for the sterilizing vaccin ! It will relieve you of everything your money your health and maybe your life
Jimmie is so much more qualified to speak on this subject than I ever will be so really I should just STFU…and I will… except to say…
In about 2 weeks’ time, I will be most interested in revisiting Jimmie’s explanation in regard to the reliability of the US CV-19 death rate. Since March 19 the MR has consistently been very close to a doubling rate of 3 days. As I have said before if it stays at this exponential rate the total deaths will hit 150,000 by mid-April.
At that same time I will ask the question in regard to New York also. This state at this very moment also has a doubling rate of 3 days and if that doubling rate continues they will be at 35,000 deaths by mid-April.
And I won’t say anything about this anecdote either…”I travelled around two local hospitals near the emergency section and saw nothing unusual, at least as measured by the traffic of ambulances.”
In the meantime stay safe!
Col
Yes, but include any (likely) drop in deaths recorded in other areas/categories.
There is a possibility that overall deaths during the period of “lock down” will drop due to less traffic accidents etc.
Suicide might rise.
Remember, one can die “with” Covid-19 and any number of other co-morbidity(s).
Without double-accounting, rising death counts in the Covid-19 category should see similar drops in other categories that normally collect the passing of aged and unhealthy cohorts.
I suspect there will be a small net rise of the younger and healthy who die, but otherwise it is robbing Peter to pay Paul etc.
Spot on Mr anonymous. There are too many definitional inconsistencies in the data, measurement/testing problems, as well as variations as to data recording between countries. And that’s not even mentioning political agendas and hysteria/propaganda/agenda in the MSM. The only thing that is fairly uncontroversial is death; excess deaths over a period – if any – will answer if this is a pandemic or not. At the moment, I suspect not.
* The other complicating factor here that can’t be determined for a year or so, until the trend returns to the norm, will be the draw-forward of those deaths that would otherwise have occurred next year due to other routine health issues, or even normal routine influenza (a non-trivial quanta), but have now occurred this year due (we assume) to Covid-19 etc. It will probably only make sense over a 3-5 year moving average. Way beyond the MSM’s 1-week news horizon an need to scream out eye-catching headlines.
Exactly, that’s why this article differentiates between the often flawed “case fatality rate” (CFR) and the “infection fatality rate” (IFR).
From it:
Look at a log-linear plot of cumulative deaths, and you will have a good idea of what is happening. Italy is almost at the point where this curve flattens. Hard to guess, but maybe 2-4 weeks, before fatalities drop to low levels. This happens with every epidemic, it’s the nature of our immune system.
You can look here for someone who has done the work for you … for a number of countries.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFDE8P6_M-C4HTOuWwm4Dg
Well at least Putin takes it seriously -and I consider him very level-headed and pragmatic:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law allowing the government to declare a nationwide emergency should current efforts not be enough to keep the coronavirus pandemic under control. ”
https://www.rt.com/russia/484725-putin-government-emergency-powers-coronavirus/
Thanks for that excellent relation of Dr Montanari, I am reading more of these types of comments from more and more respected scientists. I fully concur, we have a nasty virus, it has been blown out of proportion. I am amazed how many alt sites with no medical knowledge still plug vaccines, Dr Montanari laid the fraud out very nicely.
Thanks Saker, for offering some balance to another usually good site where the author has gone virus troppo.
long article. thank you. It is my understanding as well that everything you say on corona virus as all viruses is true. they are part of us and always have been with us. see Dr Jay Bhattachraya Stanford Univ research..also saying similar things and being called irresponsible by his colleagues
I suggest looking at site https://www.microbe.tv/ for expert information, this week in viruses, immune, and other discussion from the experts and scientists. Also see Vincent Racaniello’s channel on youtube.
Drop the link into Google Translate and read how a Covid-19 sick individuals home was studied to better understand the situation. Amazing that this kind of information or studies are not appearing in the Public to calm the situation (I know, “Calm” is not desired).
https://www.express.de/news/panorama/virologe-aeussert-erstmals-zweifel-haben-restaurants-und-friseure-umsonst-dicht-gemacht–36499798
Excellent. I read German.
Everyone should read, IMO. Common sense.
Money quote:
“Marcel Fratzscher: “A good health system needs a functioning economy”
Streeck therefore supports the fastest possible discussion about an exit strategy. Marcel Fratzscher, President of the German Institute for Economic Research, explains how great the danger for the economy is at “Lanz”. He speaks of a “catastrophe” with a “rat tail of problems”. Small businesses and the self-employed could only last a few weeks despite government aid.
Anyone who receives a salary of 60 or 70 percent in short-time work can hardly stay afloat in the long term. At the same time, the economist feels uncomfortable weighing human lives against the financial damage – as many in the discussion about an exit strategy do. “Because a good health system also needs a functioning economy.”
Money or life? “Don’t play both sides against each other”
One should not play both sides against each other, but rather find a solution that is acceptable to everyone. After six to eight weeks, the loss caused by the shutdown would become critical. And that must be avoided.”
Someone talking sense. I found “Mutti Merkel’s” speech underwhelming.
OK, here is a URL for the translated version of the webpage:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.express.de/news/panorama/virologe-aeussert-erstmals-zweifel-haben-restaurants-und-friseure-umsonst-dicht-gemacht–36499798&prev=search
I hope it works. I don’t know any other way to get a translation.
Katherine
The take-away headliner: “Invisible Bug Hides Global Plot 8 Billion Vaccinations”
Can I laugh, should I laugh?
Can somebody, anybody, think of a likely headline for next weeks article? — ie, Future casting.
“Interdimensional Space Travel Now Possible Thanks To Lego” ???
— by the way, I’m not trolling . . . but merely pointing to the glaring non-sequitur of overthrowing the global economic order for the sake of turning a buck. Whether true or false, in terms of mechanisms, this is the real headline of the moment: World Order Overthrown!
Well said. It is a fact that the market started to fall in the second half of 2019. Many measures were taken to avoid the crash. The super-rich and their aficionados knew it was inevitable. The Convirus seems to be a good distraction from the chaos that will result from the crash. Will the greedy super-rich escape from it?
Interesting predictions:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/more-will-die-response-covid-19-virus/5708301
What about 60 doctors killed by coronavirus in Italy? Is that an oax?
Here’s a telescope, compare the total deaths (for any cause) in the same period of 2019 and 2020 and try to give an explanation:
Albino, town in Brescia province, 23 February to 27 March of 2019, 24 deaths, same period in 2020, 145 deaths.
San Pellegrino Terme, same province as above, 1 March to 27 March of 2020, 45 deaths, same period in 2019, 2 deaths.
Castelleone, town in Cremona province, 1 to 27 March of 2020, 25 deaths, same period in 2019 2 deaths.
Bergamo, 8-14 March of 2020, 330 deaths, same period in 2019, 23 deaths.
There is one keyword in coronavirus epidemics: underestimation. Denial may be a psychological survival tool in times of routine, not when a lethal virus is spreading.
After recognizing that this virus kills people and it’s dangerous, we can talk about big pharma, pollution of air, water and food, underfunding of national health service, outsourcing of production of life saving equipment, dismissal of domestic agricultural production, etc.
This is a time when societies should reject turbo financial capitalism and return to the old welfare state.
Right on the button Mr Perseus –
But you cant cant allow objective evidence to get in the way of wishful thinking. You make too many enemies that way :-)
“They deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth” Plato all the way back in 300 BC. Humans dont learn
When we only have government information how is that truth?
But who garantees those numbers of dead italian med staff are correct?
The Italian MSM? The same that supported the r@pe of Lybia and Col. Gaddaffi? The same media that parroted the ‘no casualties’ from the Iranian retaliation against US based in Iraq?
The MSM doesn’t provide news. They provide narratives.
how about death certificates that have to issued for legal purposes, inheritance etc etc. or is that phony to you too and the whole world is on this scam?
Yes, when issued by the government with an evil narrative to sell
“death certificates”
Have you seen or counted those? Or are you just being told there are so & so many? (Rethorical question)
Here come the flat earthers…
Health-care workers are in close proximity to many intense sources of the virus. ‘Dosing’ of a virus is important as well. Health-care workers know they are at risk, it is part of the job. It’s not all golfing on Sunday.
I read today that their dates of birth have been deleted now, but appeared earlier, and some of them were in their 90s and several were no longer practicing. This fits with Mr. Moglia’s assertion that someone seems to be exaggerating this crisis. Good article in my opinion.
“…return to the old welfare state”. It seems that this is exactly what is happening, at least in the UK.
Didn’t they count all the doctors who died in Italy, retired or otherwise (and at the time many retired doctors were called back).. the figures don’t seem too reliable.
Amazing. I had not realized that it was possible to get that many factoids about Galileo into that short a text.
Father Vincenzo Maculani da Firenzuola was the chief inquisitor in the 1633 inquisition.
Bellarmino, in 1616, told Galileo not to push the theory as fact but Galileo was free to discuss and write about it as a “what if” theory.
The ISS reported 2.1% of deceased covid-19 patients had no other pathologies at time of death, based on a sample of 909. The balance had 1 or more pre-existing illnesses.
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-decessi-italia#3
Extrapolating to the Italian death toll of 3400 at the time of Dr interview on March 19th means 71 had died of illness due to the virus alone, and 290 persons of the current death toll of 13915.
The ISS concurrently reported demographics of the covid deceased, of which ca. 5000 were aged 80+, which Dr Montanari seems to ascribe to the “death-norm” in Italy. But also deceased were 3500 in the 70-79 group, 1000 at 60-69, and 300 at 50-59. One wonders whether the individuals in these groups would still be alive had they not contracted covid-19. It would be interesting to know Dr Montanari´s opinion on that.
This is a new bug, and more people will die. But, does it justify the draconian, some might say insane measure to combat it. There have been and there will be plenty of analyses showing how many people died due to ‘lockdown’ … the destruction of our economy, has health consequences, as does locking people in a prison cell … as noted by the good Doctor.
@stevek9
Please could you provide numerical data and link(s) to the analyses you refer to, showing how many people died due to lockdown?
A thought on the word HERD used to name a collection of humans. The use of the word is not common in general biology where the term population is used to identify a group of living beings.
To me the word HERD suggests that those using it think of most humans as sheep, cattle, hogs, etc. In other words view most humans as less than human.
It would be nice if someone would blog on this topic. Especially in terms of immunity. Any thoughts?
@ bill
Catherine Austin Fitts uses the term “livestock management” to express what is going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCeEzmmCd5c
Go to the the 36 minute mark and you will learn exactly what our oligarchs are after!
Immunity? Screaming about it!!!!!!! CAF
A certain tribe describes the balance of humanity that very way.
Curious that.
@ Little Black Duck
Curious to that Bill Gates has similar designs?
From Dr. Chuck Baldwin’s essay Now We Know How Germany Let It Happen
https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3995/Now-We-Know-How-Germany-Let-It-Happen.aspx
Bill Gates is saying he expects that people will soon receive a “digital certificate” branded into their skin to show that they have been vaccinated. He also said that a “national tracking system” is on its way for Americans. He said that “technology is nothing more than an upgrade on traditional cattle branding.” Obviously, Gates believes we humans are cattle—to be branded with HIS mark.
How do like them apples?
The China Social Credit System will be rolled out worldwide it is what the bible foresees
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-poses-greater-threat-irans-ayatollahs-us-sanctions-do
It’s begun, ZH is now saying that everybody in ASIA thinks the virus began in Iran.
“or only an incompetent can imagine a vaccine against a virus that does not give immunity and has no chance of being effective. We are talking about a virus that mutates at very fast speed and we cannot possibly run after it (its mutations).”
To categorically state something to be true for which no evidence or scant evidence exists is the realm of religion. Despite the article over all quite informative, this is like his claim regarding mortality simple “fake news” to use this hated term or at least misleading info when looking at other more evidence based information.
We simply do not know at present if this virus creates immunity or not:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/can-you-become-immune-sars-cov-2-180974532/
and regarding mortality – here something about excess mortality:
“From an average of 45 deaths a week in the past ten years there has been a surge to 313 per week, almost seven times as much in the seven days from March 15 to 21. From 1 to 21 March, however, the ratio is four times the average of the past ten years, “writes the director.
……………………………….
In their article published yesterday in the Corriere della Sera , the two authors, both training physicists, write: “We looked at the average of the deaths in the municipality of the previous years, in the January-March period. Nembro should have had – under normal conditions – about 35 deaths. 158 registered by the municipal offices this year. That is 123 more than the average ”. Against 31 deaths registered as Covid by civil protection.
Not happy, the mayor and the entrepreneur have redone the estimate on Cernusco sul Naviglio (province of Milan) and Pesaro, finding a difference between this year’s excess mortality compared to the official Covid deaths of 6.1 times. For his part, the mayor of Bergamo Giorgio Gori pointed out that the number of people who die outside hospitals, at home or in a hospice, is enormous, and for the moment it escapes official statistics.
https://www.scienzainrete.it/articolo/epidemiologia-dei-necrologi/luca-carra/2020-03-27
Now, why would I trust the statements of the author of this article: “But all these coffins are part of the 650,000 deaths we have every year in Italy – there is no increase in mortality”
“Mortality from the virus is very low and probably non-existent. But an illness with the virus is another matter.”
Of course, a virus just sitting there does not cause an illness. Unfortunately, viruses have the nasty habit to hijack the reproductive capabilities of the cell to create copies of its own cute self, sometimes they kill the cell in the process and cause biochemical reaction.
The claim that our immune system is capable of dealing with the virus depends of course also on the viral load one is exposed to, and to state only health compromised people are susceptible leads me to the question: wo in our environmentally compromised world with chemical and mental stressors is really “healthy”.
So we are all susceptible with a likely compromised immune system and just some are lucky, and some are not.
PeterM
Very good points Peter!
Personally I too find many of the premises of this article very debatable if not downright misleading. I will be asking the author in 10-14 days’ time to study the world death tally then and to reflect on this current article.
I have said it time and time again…it is a very dangerous business to trivialize the danger of this virus especially given the painfully obvious exponential mortality growth curves which are mirrored in well over 100 countries.
Cheers
Col
Dr. Sidell believes it’s the respirators dialled full may be killing oatients?
https://youtu.be/QWaq8HoEROU
I admire the quality of the writeup. Hardly read any essay soo well composed
Read the abstract. Chimeric virus was made in the lab already in 2015.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
Thank you Saker! Very wise words in this age of Corona Craziness!
Ebbene. But you missed (or didn’t report) a few salient points, that make your initial premise, egregiously false in the telling. Not that I disagree with you about Corona, but about Galileo, and the ‘righteous West.’
Ever hear of Robert Sungenis? No, I suppose not. You should. He’s a geocentrist, whose books show that:
1) Galileo did recant his heliocentric fallacy towards the end of his life.
2) The earth IS the center of the universe.
3) A movie was made, known as ‘The Principle’ – Here: https://www.theprinciplemovie.com
4) A corroborating witness in an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71i22w5G9KE
But more importantly than that, the Bible is true, and Rome has been in a process of denial of that truth, for over 400 years.
Another writer to know: Michael Hoffman
His book, ‘The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome’ clearly shows that there were, umm, ‘certain interests’ who WANTED to be freed from that geocentric model, and many of them were occult dabblers, and/or friends of the same strain of heresy within Judaism/Talmudism/Kabbala.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/01/christianity-inverted/
Another author at this point: E. Michael Jones
And HIS book, ‘The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit’ is absolutely fundamental to understand the present era.
– https://www.fidelitypress.org/book-products/the-jewish-revolutionary-spirit
you owe it to yourself to watch this, right to the end:
https://videoplayer.telvue.com/player/0yMvL7SaaePCh8raohYoxsp1MzZ6gHeT/series/2470/media/546082?sequenceNumber=2&autostart=false&showtabssearch=true
Merci beaucoup!