by Jimmie Moglia (and Patrizia Cecconi) for The Saker Blog
In the instance, the goods are those boycotted by the BDS measure (Boycott-Divest-Sanctions), proposed in the American Congress .
The bad are the US congressmen and politicians who sold their soul to the Jews for thirty pieces of silver, and rejected even the symbolic and extremely platonic ‘non-binding’ initiative of boycotting goods tainted by crime, theft, barbarities of all sorts, and by the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
Actually, there is a better word for ‘soul’ as in ‘politicians who sold their soul’, but I will forbear to mention it out of my inviolable respect for the ladies. Even Tulsie Gabbard, who has made a name for herself as an enemy of the status-quo, chose to oppose the measure, demonstrating the type of caution that cowards borrow from fear and attribute to policy.
Finally, the ugly are the criminals who killed and stole – and continue to kill, maim, imprison, humiliate and steal from the dispossessed Palestinians and rightful owners of Palestine.
If we were not living in a world upside down, the considerations that follow would be unnecessary.
The term ‘Jews’ excludes those (few or many, it is difficult to say), who reject the ‘chosen people’ philosophy of their sect – a philosophy known to many, but not many enough – for its meaning, history and implications.
For the voice of their dissenters is irrelevant, considering that the Jews, as a political-social entity, are a monolith, practicing a cultural-political hegemony that only blindness can deny. Hence, to edulcorate the truth by a quasi-synonym (Zionists) will not, in my view, do justice to the real dissenters.
In fact, many suspect, with cause, that some fake ‘dissenters’ are planted in the right places to ‘cover all bases’ – the metaphor of ‘gate-keepers’ being most appropriate. For hegemony to appear not overly conspicuous it must simulate some kind of antithesis or opposition. Why? So that hegemony may seem a choice and not an imposition.
Quoting from a Jewish writer about Jews in the Middle Ages.
“Without in any way minimizing the force of these factors (earlier referred to by the author as “a sense of frustration and exasperation aroused by Jews at large”), we believe nevertheless that they do not tell the whole story or even the essential part of the story. The most vivid impression to be gained from a reading of medieval allusions to the Jew is of hatred so vast and abysmal, so intense, that it leaves one gasping for comprehension. The unending piling up of violent epithets and accusations and curses, the consistent representation of the Jew as the epitome of everything evil and abominable, for whom in particular the unbounded scorn and contumely of the Christian world are reserved, must convince the most casual student that we are dealing here with a fanaticism altogether subjective and irrational.” (Joshua Trachtenberg, “The Devil and the Jews”)
Yes, it is irrational, but the position regarding the issue was clearly first stated by Pope Callistus II in 1120 AD, with his Bull “Sicut Judaeis Non.” And I quote from the Encyclopedia Judaica,
“It was a general Bull of Protection for the Jews, who had suffered at the hands of participants in the First Crusade (1095–96) and were being maltreated by their Christian neighbors. It forbade killing them, using force to convert them, and otherwise molesting them, their synagogues and cemeteries.”
And it is a position – we may all agree – that all rational people continue to maintain 900 years later. But it was expected from the Jews, at the time and in return, that they would not corrupt the Christian world.
The idea of corruption arose clearly when Nicholas Donin, a Jewish convert to Christianity, translated the Talmud into Latin in the twelfth century. Here I quote from Wikipedia,
“Donin translated statements by Talmudic sages and pressed various charges against the Talmud by quoting a series of ‘allegedly blasphemous’ passages about Christianity. He also selected what he claimed were injunctions of Talmudic sages permitting Jews to kill non-Jews, to deceive Christians, and to break promises made to them without scruples.”
Note the inverted commas I added around ‘allegedly blasphemous,’ in view of what comes next.
The Catholic Church had shown little interest in the Talmud until Donin presented his translation. The Pope (now Gregory II) was surprised that the Jews relied on texts other than the Torah; texts that contained alleged blasphemies against Christianity. Equally surprised, we may add, are or would be many Americans today.
This lack of interest also affected, until then, the French monarchy that profited by the Jews’ money-making skills.
Given the astonishment generated by the translated Talmud, a debate was organized in Paris – it began on June 12, 1240. Donin represented the Christians. Four distinguished Rabbis represented the Jews, namely Yechiel of Paris, Moses of Coucy, Judah of Melun, and Samuel ben Solomon of Château-Thierry.
The four rabbis’ objective was to defend the Talmud against Donin’s accusations that it contained obscenities and blasphemies against the Christian religion and God. In one Talmudic passage, for example, reference is made to someone named Jesus, dispatched to hell to be boiled in excrement for eternity. The Rabbis denied that this is the Jesus of the New Testament, stating as a kind of proof that “not every Louis born in France is king.”
Interesting argument, contradicted by another contemporary Jewish scholar– more on this later.
Among the obscene folklore, there is a story that Adam copulated with each of the animals before finding Eve. And Noah, according to the Talmudic script, was castrated by his son Ham. Furthermore, by now and thanks to the diffusion of knowledge via the web, most readers are aware of what the Talmud considers ‘acceptable’ sex, for example, lowering the age of consent to a 3-year old girl.
I don’t know why, but the recent resurrection of the already well-known criminal porno-ring of underage girls in Epstein’s ‘Lolita Island’, comes to mind.
Until the debate of 1240, Christians associated the Jewish religion with the Mosaic faith of the Old Testament. Hence the Church, suddenly and officially, realized that the Talmud was the Jews’ equivalent of the New Testament.
It is usually believed that the crucifixion of Christ is the historical trigger of the inherent conflict between Jews and everyone else. Some prominent Catholic thinkers have advanced the thesis that by rejecting Christ, the Jews have rejected Reason, (also referred to as Logos), as the underlying principle on which Greek-inspired Western civilization was built. Lack of Reason leads to continual upheaval, as in Trotsky’s “permanent revolution.”
Maybe, but the issue precedes the birth of Christ. For example, in 59 BC Lelius, a Pompey’s lieutenant, brought a suit against Flacco, a pro-consul in Asia Minor. The suit had to do with the transport (or lack thereof) of Jewish gold to Jerusalem. Flacco chose Cicero as his defender.
Here are Cicero’s words in his related writing, “Pro Flacco.”
“Now as to the accusation regarding the Jewish gold – which is why this trial is held not very far from the Aurelian square (the Jewish quarter). Yes, for this accusation you (Lelius), have chosen this place and this assembly of people, because you know how great is their number, how great their unanimity of purpose and how much is their power in the assemblies. I will speak softly so as to be heard only by the judges. For individuals are not wanting, ready to incite these people (the Jews) against me and against any other respectable citizen. I don’t want to give them reason to facilitate their attacks.”
Advance the clock by 2060 years, and Cicero’s words could be applied almost verbatim to the US Congress, to the neo-cons, and to the objectively unbelievable proposition that any criticism of Jews amounts to ‘hate-crime,’ as does any reference to their history, or confutation of their documentably fantastic inventions of inexistent or unproven facts.
History is silent as to which seed was sowed, and to where, how, why and what created certain destructive characteristics of Jewish ideology. For all seed-sowings a mysterious thing, whether the seeds fall into the earth or into souls.
Maybe it was a little thing. For what we call little things are merely the causes of great things; they are the beginning, they are the embryos. It is the point of departure that may decide the whole future of an existence of a race or ethnic group. One single black speck may be the beginning of a decomposition, of a storm, of a revolution. From one insignificant misunderstanding hatred and separation may finally issue. An enormous avalanche begins by the displacement of one snow-crystal, and the conflagration of a town by the fall of a match. Almost everything comes from almost nothing. For accident plays a vast part in human affairs. Calculation has its uses but chance mocks it, and the result of a planned calculation is in no wise proportional to its merit.
It is a mystery. For it is in the origin of things that the great secret of destiny lies hidden, although the breathless sequence of after-events has often many surprises for us all. So that at first sight history seems to us accident and confusion; looked at for the second time, it seems to us logical and necessary; looked at for the third time, it appears to us a mixture of necessity and liberty; on the fourth examination we scarcely know what to think of it. For if force is the source of right, and chance the origin of the force, we come back to the first explanation, only with a heavier heart than when we began.
And equally, with a heavy heart, we observe that any effort at understanding the inner mechanisms of time and mind, whereby the US has become the secular arm of Israel, taints the researchers with anti-Semitism.
If the patient reader who read so far will catch his breath, I will now introduce Ms. Patrizia Cecconi, an Italian writer, a botanist and a strenuous defender of the cause of Gaza’s citizens and of Palestine at large.
In what amounts to a guerrilla of tactics, Patrizia has managed so far to reach Gaza and provide what help and support her organization makes possible. Among other things, she has published a very interesting and very well-written book titled “Vagando di erba in erba” (Roaming from herb to herb). In which Patrizia details an extended visit to the West Bank, using as a conductive theme, the description of Palestine’s natural flora, and the characteristic and beneficial uses of various wild plants. While, simultaneously, telling the reader of the life of the Palestinians she met, spoke with or was the guest of. I hope that the book may be available in English in the near future.
I will now translate the text of one of her recent articles published in Italy. The reported event – the destruction of Palestinian houses and apartment buildings in East Jerusalem, accompanied by the laughter of Israeli troops – almost coincided in time with the rejection by the US Congress of the BDS non-binding proposal.
The witness-reported Israeli laughter is not the first example of the lawless confidence of successful robbers. Some readers may remember the picnic tables and picnic chairs positioned above the wall dividing Gaza from the rest of Palestine. From where Israeli onlookers and tourists could watch Israeli soldiers gun down unarmed Palestinians, including women and children, as if they were pins in a bowling alley at a recreation center.
A Specter roams around… but it is not Communism
A specter roams around the Middle East, and from there, crossing seas and mountains, reaches everywhere, demonstrating the absolute inanity of the Universal Humanitarian Law and nullifying every rule of international legality, starting from the Geneva Conventions.
A specter that, with actual incontrovertible facts under our eyes, shows the useless foolishness of the United Nations Organization itself – reduced to be but a glass-palace shown to visiting school-children. Explaining to them how the dream of a “magnificent and progressive future” envisaged in those proud halls, was broken after three short years, thanks to self-declared birth of the Israeli State. A structure that, since its foundation, would ignore, dismiss, discard, disregard and trample-on all the United Nations’ principles and resolutions.
It would be reductive and factious to classify this statement as anti–Semitic. While not realizing, instead, the weight and danger – for the world at large – of Zionism’s long tentacles, obliterating universal humanitarian principles and every rule of international law. Any honest thinker, even minimally aware of reality, cannot but bitterly agree on the consequences of continuing to shelter Israel from the legal sanctions deserved by its criminal actions. Sanctions equally necessary to make that entity comply with the accepted standards of humanity, and to limit the horrendous damage, human and political it has produced for over a century.
For about 80 years, what occurred and occurs in 2000-year old Palestine, is an unrestrained use of power, applied in the name of Zionism. An ideology developed at the end of the 19th century by Austrian-born Theodor Herzl and later implemented in the establishment of the Israeli state, not respecting the UN Resolution 181, but through self-proclamation by Ben Gurion. This occurred shortly before the expiration of the British mandate, therefore outside the terms of the UN Resolution. Showing and declaring to the world that Israel stands above and beyond any human law, international or super-national. And making the only basis for the state’s existence a biblical tale that would entail or allow a “return to the Promised Land.”
What said above is not intended as a historical summary, but the not-to-be-forgotten basis for understanding Israel’s latest violation of international law and of the rights of the Palestinian people. Namely the recent demolition of large apartment blocks in Jerusalem, as part of the continuous, illegal and brutal confiscations of Palestinian property.
The Jewish state is carrying out the project of the “greater Israel,” envisaged prior to the establishment of the state and consisting in the step-by-step annexation of all historic Palestine from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, on the ground that God had decreed and promised to Jewish men and women the right to occupy this land. [My note, as clearly stated in the 1982 Odet-Yinon Plan, Israel is supposed to extend from the Nile to the Euphrates. When, thanks to the efforts of President Jimmy Carter, Israel had to give up the illegally occupied Sinai, a day of mourning was declared in Israel. Israeli president Rabin paid with his life for that ‘mistake.’]
In Israel, religion and politics blend as required, ever since 1897, when Theodor Herzl, though an atheist, found the biblical narrative useful for the establishment of a racist state, so that the religious aura would become the trump card, having the force of all founding myths.
Of course, without the interest of the then great powers of having a ‘Western reference point’ at the gates of the Middle East, no Sykes-Picot agreement (1916), nor the Balfour declaration (1917) would have been possible. And without the Shoa of WW2 perhaps we would not witness the Shoa of the Palestinians.
We use the term shoah, meaning a “devastating storm,” leading to the elimination of a population. With Nazism, the population was defined by race and was identified with its religion. The intention was to physically remove every individual associated with the race. In Israel and with the ongoing massacres of Palestinians the intent is not based on race or religion, but rather on the goal of driving them out, and to fully occupy the ground on which they have lived for centuries, even before the emergence of Islam.
Some call it the “ethnic cleansing of Palestine,” tracing it back to the Nakba, the catastrophe of 1948. Others call it the ‘shoa,’ a Hebrew term, to make better understand the similarity between the Nazi-led and the Israeli-led ‘shoas’.
Yet all this does not disturb states that do business with Israel, even though they call themselves democratic, nor international and supranational organizations, even though their institutional representatives replenish their speeches with concepts such as ‘human rights,’ ‘justice’ and ‘peace.’
Israel benefits from a halo of false legality that, along with the tragedy of the (1972-born) Holocaust narrative, protects it as an unassailable armor. This is the will of the Israeli government, well supported by almost the entire population of approximately 9 million inhabitants. With the exception of twenty or so young activists plus a few journalists such as Gideon Levy or Amira Hass, who denounced the Israeli decision to destroy a dozen Palestinians apartment buildings, thus proceeding further on the path of destruction that has already affected tens of thousands of Palestinian buildings and homes.
It was an escalation beyond any possible justification, for the demolition affected even apartment buildings located in zone A – an area that, even according the Oslo agreements of 1993 (actually a trap to advance Jewish interests), should be under total Palestinian jurisdiction.
By so doing Israel, through Netanyahu, delivered a further kick to the law and to the already frayed Palestinian National Authority. Demonstrating once more, in the style of the “Iron Chancellor”, that agreements are but pieces of paper.
Israeli bulldozers and some 700 star-of-David-attired soldiers were ready to carry out the crime immediately after the Israeli Supreme Court, in total mockery of international legality, issued the predicted sentence of demolition. For in an act of foolish confidence the Palestinians had appealed to the (mock) Supreme Court.
In sum, like the Italian Jews, expelled from schools and jobs after November 1938, the Palestinians – in a tragic mockery that amuses the Israelis and is justified by sundry lackeys – saw their homes ‘legally’ demolished. This heinous abuse is repeated and recurrent. Between 1967 and 1973 Israel destroyed 9,000 homes, leaving thousands of Palestinian homeless, as documented by Jewish writer Felicia Langer in her book, “With My Eyes.” Then she left Israel because her action rarely had an effect on the rigged Israeli courts, though she unwillingly helped, by her legal attempts, to give a coat of legality to plain illegality, as the most recent case shows, with the Supreme Court deciding that it was legal to destroy the homes in East Jerusalem.
Did the (Italian) mass media adequately cover this umpteenth violation practiced on the Palestinians? – Did it note that by ridiculing international institutions, Israel removes from all citizens of the world the right to be protected by a Universal Law made mockery of? No the mass media was silent but for one ‘niche’ newspaper, “Il Manifesto,” that dedicated its first page to the event.
Therefore ‘mass-opinion,’ driven by the usual suspects concludes that the Palestinians built illegally, and that Israel, through its Supreme Court, has righted an illegality. We may wonder as to how many (Italians) may have thought that if we had an (Italian) Netaniahu there would not be so many building abuses (a plague in Italy).
While Israel will continue to do business with Italy and with other democratic Countries, the UN will issue a lamentation – it has already done so – and the European Union will issue their concern. In the end, the Palestinians will grow more desperate and understandably hateful of an entity that, for more than 70 years, humiliates them, stops them, injures them, kills them, expels them, and is even called democratic.
We saw the soldiers of the occupying army taking selfies and videos as they blew up the buildings, laughing and complimenting themselves. The Palestinians saw them too and we can imagine their feelings.
No one calls those soldiers terrorists, but according to Israel, terrorist is he who will rebel, perhaps with a stone or a kitchen knife, to this destruction of lives and rights.
Felicia Langer, the Israeli lawyer who left Israel shortly before she died, wrote, “The day will come when Israel will be forced to change its policy.” Perhaps it was an affirmation of faith, perhaps the desire to see justice triumph. But what we can see is only the multiplication of Israeli power and the contamination – as if it were a bacterium without an antibody– of every aspect of cultural, scientific, agricultural and industrial life everywhere in the world. With all this creating a kind of awe and discomfort that muzzles and prevents criticism. The fear refers to the anathema that condemns to isolation, anti-Semitism!
I wrote this before. Only independent newspapers can run the risk of an anathema without renouncing their function of making the truth known.
Here the truth is clear. Israel knows only abuse, and out of systematic abuse, only two results are possible, either resignation and flight, or resistance by all possible means, however right or wrong they may appear to our eyes as Western observers.
Meanwhile, while we write, the ten-story buildings with apartments adorned with velvet cushions, with curtains often bought in installments, with the tea glasses, the small cups for the ever-hot coffee, the dishes for the maqluba and the mussaqan, the rooms for the children , their games, their books, their clothes… all is now a pile of rubble. This is what the chosen people’s government wanted … except for twenty generous but impotent dissenters.
As for the rabbis of 13th century Paris, according to whom the Talmudic Jesus boiling in eternity in excrement is not the Christian Jesus, here are the thoughts of a Jewish scholar, Israel Shahak, a survivor of a WW2 concentration camp, who settled in Israel after WW2.
“Judaism is imbued with a very deep hatred towards Christianity, combined with ignorance about it. This attitude was clearly related to the Christian persecution of Jews, but is largely independent of them.
The deeply negative attitude is based on two main elements. First, on hatred and malicious slanders against Jesus. … The notion of collective and inherited guilt is both wicked and absurd. However, what is at issue here is not the actual fact about the Jesus, but the inaccurate and even slanderous reports in the Talmud and post Talmudic literature – which is what Jews believed until the 19th century and many, especially in Israel, still believe.
According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt for rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources that mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the Talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
… In addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name ‘Jesus’ was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable, and this popular tradition still persists. The Gospels are equally detested, and they are not allowed to be quoted (let alone taught) even in modern Israeli Jewish schools.”
But even before Christ – we may add – some historians interpret the celebration of Hanukah, for example, as a reminder of the rejection by the Jews of any Greek influence (and therefore Greek thought and values) into their midst – that is the rejection of Reason. It is the same Greek influence that, along with Christianity, molded Western thought and civilization at large – now under attack.
Israel Shahak titled his book, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion – The Weight of Three Thousand Years.” I doubt whether any of the US politicians who voted down the non-binding BDS proposal knows that the book exists.
Though even if they did, gold trumps justice, especially among the rich. For many, a Congressional seat, with all its emoluments, benefits, guaranteed luxurious life and dream-like pension, is well worth the sale of their soul. As Romeo said to the struggling pharmacist who sold him the poison Romeo wanted,
“There is thy gold, worse poison to men’s souls,
Doing more murders in this loathsome world,
Than these poor compounds that thou mayst not sell.”
Excellent article.
Unfortunate that Jews hold so much influence and power throughout the World that they can create a narrative to their advantage at the expense of the indigenous Palestinians.
Jesus in the Talmud is not the Jesus of Christianity, because “not every Louis born in France is king.” Misdirection and perverted logic.
It seems they were skilled in “hasbara” even in the Middle Ages. Now hundreds of years later they have it “down pat”.It can be very difficult at many times to smell it out.
UB, I believe that they practiced hasbarah much earlier, one of the examples would be burning the library of Alexandria and blaming the Christians, Muslims, Romans for it.
This was the biggest treasure of Humanity.
https://ehistory.osu.edu/articles/burning-library-alexandria
https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa-history-important-events/destruction-great-library-alexandria-001644
Notice, the magic word is never mentioned.
Otherwise we have yet another excellent article.
I new that if I change my search I’ll find what I was looking for.
Accordingly to some stuff I read on the subject of Alexandria, the library was burned during one of those revolts:
https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Alexandria-Forgotten-Jewry-forgotten-revolt-497909
But, hey we can’t talk about that can we.
Also, as an educational fact I’d like to point out the fact that Museum was never what it’s perceived to be today.
The name comes from the word Musae (from secondary goddesses Muses, who were in charge of Arts).
Therefore the original meaning was the “House of Art” where philosophers argued, the music and other arts were performed).
the standard argumentation of the Rabbi, of all ages.
It’s called pilpul, a type of Talmudic casuistry worthy of any Jesuit. Often they are driven to claim that some outrageous edict, not intended for goy ears (goyim who know the Talmud must be killed, apparently, according to the tract or one of its copious exegeses)was merely a ‘joke’ told by some witty rabbi to fool the gullible.
Kore uses the power
Pyongyang on August 6 conducted demonstration launches of tactical guided missiles of a new type, which were personally led by the DPRK leader Kim Jong-un. This launch was already the fifth in recent years. “Gazeta website” dealt with the details of the new tests.
https://www.writenaregiven.com/2019/08/missile-launch-kim-jong-un-warned-seoul-and-washington.html
Thank you Jimmie Moglia for another informative, captivating and important piece of writing.
The relentless spin by the Western World’s powerful Zionist media empire that portrays the occupied as violent terrorists and the occupier as victims, has to be regarded as one of the most successful propaganda coups of the last 70 years. Death, destruction, unimaginable daily crimes and suffering has been the result. Will it ever end?
It ends one of these ways. The Zionazis kill or expel ALL the ‘two-legged animals’ including the Arab Israelis, or Israel is itself destroyed in some war of its own conceiving, along with the region, and, probably the world, or Israel somehow ceases being an insanely racist, xenophobic, aggressive terror state, and learns to live in peace with its neighbours. The best, the last, is, sadly, the least likely, I would say.
BDS is not supported by activists for Palestine including Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky. They do not have a problem with boycotting Israeli companies, they have a problem with the BDS organization. This is not uncommon (Bernie Sanders, Ayanna Presely, Tulsi Gabbard) because they all have a problem with the stated *purpose* of the BDS organization. Which is a one state solution. Those people oppose the one state solution and therefore oppose the BDS organization because they state that the boycott cannot be lifted until a one state solution is reached. A Norman Finkelstein points out in this interview (see video), the one state solution is a nonstarter for Israel and therefore the BDS leader know this, and therefore their movement isn’t intended to succeed, but rather to be an information war against Israel. He explains how this is bad for the cause of a two state solution which is the only viable solution since Israel will not budge on a one state solution. Here is Norman Finkelstein speaking in a video called Arguing the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Campaign with Norman Finkelstein
So here we come to the “ultimate problem”. A democratic one state solution, is a non-starter because Jewish Israelis might oppose it. Did anyone think twice about asking the opinion of only white South Africans before the boycotts against South Africa,I don’t remember that. Some might say,well that was different since the white South Africans were a minority in South Africa.So here is another one to go with that one. The whites in the US South in the 1950’s and 1960’s were the vast majority.Far more so than the Jewish Israelis are in historic Palestine. Yet I don’t recall the civil rights movement asking their opinion before moving forward with ending segregation. The Jewish Israelis will never willingly give up apartheid,so its ignorant to keep hoping they will. They haven’t even agreed to the 2 state solution.Which isn’t even a true “2 state” solution. But is instead a “Greater Israel” with several diminished,powerless,occupied,Bantustans mixed into it. And then laughingly called a “Palestinian State”.
I think their point is what Norman Finkelstein made very strongly–do you want a viable solution or do you want to make a statement? The fact is that a two state solution is viable, sure it isn’t as long as the right wing parties are in control over Israel–but the truth is that the worldwide Jewish community is strongly for a two-state solution, as is the left in Israel, as are most nations and the UN. So there we have a viable solution that is in reach if the Israeli left comes into power. On the other side is the one state solution that has no backing by Israelis, no backing from the world community (nations and jews) nor the UN. So as Finkelstein points out rather forcefully in the video–what is realistic and what has zero possibility of attaining their goal? What is happening is that the right wing in Israel and around the world points and says–“They want a one state solution so that they can take over Israel and then get revenge, therefore it is alright for us to take more and more land because they don’t care about a two state solution.” This is what the BDS leaders are promoting–an endgame which the Israelis and their support system among the nations of the world can look at and say “they only want to destroy the Jewish nation since they don’t want a two state solution.” And as Norman forcefully points out–they would be right to think that. The BDS leaders want exactly that, thereby making it impossible for left wing politicians to support them since even though they support Palestine and boycotts, they can’t support BDS. This is the view of many Palestine activists, Chomsky says the same thing, many do. It is a rational position and to claim they are sellouts is wrong.
Do the Israelis that favor a 2 state solution accept the 1967 borders for that state.Do they accept it as a free state,as free as the state of Israel??? Of course they do not. They expect to keep areas they have stolen for settlements over the years.Thus splitting the West Bank into sections,not a contiguous territory.They expect that Israel will control the borders,military,and foreign policy of that “free state”. That is not a “2 state solution”,that is a Greater Israel,with a Bantustan protectorate next to it.Its just another Zionist trick.But sadly,though it is that.Its still not something that most Israelis accept,they want it all.Also,in what modern democratic state does a country that has around 45% minority population get to claim that state as only for themselves. A state like that is not democratic,but a racial dictatorship.And that it is permitted to exist in 2019 is a shocking failure of our world.
Pam, surely you should be aware of the fact that any hope for any real, viable, two-state solution died with Yitzhak Rabin. Since the ascendancy of the Likud, laws have been changed in Israel to accommodate the future status of the State of Israel. That is, as an openly apartheid state. One state, but not with equal rights for all citizens. The change in the Israel Basic Law: Nation State in 2018 permanently codifies Israel as an explicitly Jewish state. Although, since 2002, It had already been illegal in Israel for a political party to deny the existence of Israel as a Jewish State. Individual rights are recognized, even for Israeli Arabs. However, there is no recognition of collective rights for any group except for the Jewish people.
Finkelstein and Chomsky are surely aware of these developments. But they have shown by their own statements that they do not support the concept of Israel as a secular State. Only as an explicitly Jewish State. Thus they agree with the policy of the Israeli government. In fact, the idea of a single democratic secular state is not any more impossible than a two-state solution. Neither one is going to happen. Unless they are both hopelessly naive, their positions cannot be taken seriously. In fact they sound suspiciously like blaming the victim.
Laws come and go. The point I relayed is well made. One way has a chance, the other doesn’t, so therefore the one without a chance cannot be supported by politicians in America like Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard because they would have exactly zero chance of being elected. To pretend otherwise is a lie. To pretend they don’t support Palestine is also a lie. What is being done online is claiming you have to support the BDS position or else you are a sellout–is a lie. A lie, btw which is promoted by the very people who want to stop Bernie and Tulsi from gaining power so that American foreign policy doesn’t change–because currently they are the *only way* to change American foreign policy. So think about that before you blithely call them sellouts.
Well, yes, Pam, but without BDS, a peaceful expression of solidarity with a barbarously oppressed people, there is NO weapon that can be mobilised against one of the most Evil regimes on Earth. Personally I boycott, as far as possible, Sordid Barbaria, the USA and Israel, The Real Axis of Evil. You get nowhere appealing to the humanity of religiously inspired racist, fascist, thugs like Bibi when they hold humanity to be inferior, and in contempt. Waiting for the Jewish Diaspora to come to their senses sentences the Palestinians to more decades in Hell, and doesn’t even matter, because as ever only the opinions of the Jewish elite matter in Jewish affairs. We have to wait for the Adelsons and Dershowitzes to cease being hate-crazed zealots, and that is more pointless than waiting for Godot.
Pam, the laws I cited are only necessary to deal with the demographic question. That is, the prospect of a non-Jewish majority in the State of Israel. If the government was serious about enacting a two-state solution, they would not have been required.
It would be nice if Sanders or Gabbard supported BDS but in fact as long as they are not enacting laws criminalizing BDS I don’t see that as vitally important. I’m not sure such activism is the proper business of an elected official anyway. I certainly don’t regard them as “sellouts”. In fact I personally support both of them, especially Sanders. The position of private citizens who actually are regarded as activists such as Chomsky is more disappointing.
In any case, the BDS movement pressures Israel. If one considers Israel’s program to enact laws in the US and other countries to criminalize BDS one would conclude that BDS is the most effective tactic developed so far to encourage Israel to achieve a settlement. Do you believe Israel will move toward a two-state solution in the absence of pressure? Why should they? Israel can implement a two-state solution any time they choose. Should they do so, the overwhelming majority of those supporting BDS would no longer see the need for it. It would not matter whether or not the organizers of BDS would be satisfied with a two-state solution. It would be a done deal for all practical purposes.
So, what is your opinion on the existence of the State of Israel as a single unitary state with equal rights for all citizens? If you don’t support that, to what extent do you believe Israel should go to maintain Israel as an explicitly Jewish state? What is exactly is Dr Finkelstein’s strategy for achieving a two-state solution outcome, if not BDS?
My point was about irrationally calling important politicians sellouts because they can’t support BDS. As for all the rest, I don’t know what would work, but until the Israeli left gets in power I don’t see any resolution. As for a one state solution, it doesn’t matter what I or anyone who doesn’t vote in Israel believes, Israelis non-Muslims which includes Jews, Christians, Druze, and others–will never accept it, therefore it is a fantasy pure and simple.
The two state solution does not have a chance because nothing like a majority of Israelis want it, instead they want a one state Palestine with no Arabs. No amount of appealing to their better nature will change this. At this stage it should be clear to everyone that the Israelis are stringing us along.
Pam Ho, Israel and its lobby wants to get rid of the BDS movement altogether.
“What is being done online is claiming you have to support the BDS position or else you are a sellout–is a lie.”
Denying a law against BDS does not mean to support it, instead it means to uphold the constitution and freedom of speech. Everyone in favor of laws against specific organizations that operate within the law is a true sell-out.
But the logic of BDS is exactly the same as that of boycotting apartheid South Africa-to oppose racist, belligerent, terrorist Evil. Whether aiming for a one state or two state policy, the Zionazis and their Sabbat Goy slaves will still oppose it with their usual hate-crazed belligerence or servile compliance, and oceans of money.
True, but the Zionazis are VASTLY more powerful than their old friends and allies in Afrikaaner South Africa ever were.
The Zionazis already control one state-the USA. Apparently the average score in polls of US citizens as to what the proportion of Jews is in the US population, was 43%. It’s the TV and Internet cum Hollywood influence I suppose.
How appropriate that the Zionist jews possess an almost animalistic hatred for Jesus Christ, who was a being of pure Love sent to this planet in an attempt to raise the planet’s consciousness and vibrational level.
The Zionists only want to love themselves. They do not want to love others – because to do so would invalidate their attempts at enslaving the entire planet.
Therefore, Zionism is not compatible with Christ or his views of universal love & acceptance and it never will be.
I also wonder if the Zionists still hold a grudge against Christ because he rejected their attempts to use his power to create their own Kingdom and destroy the Romans. According to legends, they are the ones who sold him out, thinking that it would force the one known as Jesus to use his Power and do their bidding. Instead, Jesus allowed himself to be crucified rather than use his Power for self-serving reasons. The ultimate sacrifice.
If there is one thing the Zionists are good at, it’s holding grudges for literally thousands of years. You would think they would have gained the ability at some point to look inward and realize that it was they themselves that are doing something wrong, and that they are the ones that need to change. But they never did. In thousands of years, they never developed the ability of self-reflection. Instead, they have only become more arrogant and self-serving.
Now the Zionists have left the Creator only one choice, and that is to annihilate them entirely. Maybe they will finally learn their lesson in the process? Hopefully. But a part of me doubts it. They will incarnate again on another planet, and repeat the same mistakes for eternity, until they finally get the lesson, no matter how long it takes.
“One State – Two State” are both nonstarters. The Jews would never agree to either one. ‘The Jews should all go back to where they came from’, as Helen Thomas so rightly said. The Land belong to the Palestinians. They all have a right to return. War crimes trials should then be held and generous compensation paid to the victims of the jewish crimes against humanity. A devise for appropriate penalties for the domestic politicians and their zionist paymasters in the West, should also be set up.
“Thinking the Unthinkable: A Lamentation for the State of Israel – well not exactly” by Roger Tucker is a very good observation of the current situation in the land called Israel;
“For the last year or so I have realized that I no longer believe in the One State Solution as it is generally understood. I no longer believe that the Israelis and the Palestinians could co-exist peacefully in the same polity. It would be no problem for the great majority of Palestinians, but there is a problem with at least 90% of the Jewish Israelis. Three or four generations of ZioNazi [see Zionism and Nazism: Is there a difference that makes a difference?] brainwashing have rendered them unfit for sharing the land with others. The attachment to national and/or ethnic and/or religious fascism – all three in many cases [see ‘Us vs. Them: On the Meaning of Fascism’] is too deeply embedded in their consciousness.”
https://sites.google.com/site/onedemocraticstatesite/archives/thinking-the-unthinkable-a-lamentation-for-the-state-of-israel—sort-of-by-roger-tucker
All true, but it reaches a hopeless cul-de-sac. Israel cannot be destroyed or reformed because its Evil, Evil, Evil leaders have long promised to ‘take the world down with us’ if their Eretz Yisrael project is ‘threatened’. And they have the nukes, bio-weapons and cyber-weapons to do it. I think that the only faint hope is two disarmed states, existing in a common economic zone with their neighbours, and garrisoned by the UN for a few generations until the Zionazis learn to live in peace with the goyim. Together the Jews and Palestinians, both gifted people, could contribute greatly to humanity.
What is to say it needs to be another planet? Why not just reuse the one we already have? Seems to have worked just fine in the past.
If I were a Palestinian I would get out. Me, my family, that is everyone, friends and anyone else who would listen. Leave that place. Christians also should leave that place except that is for the Christian Zionists who have moved there, set up shop, schools and hey prophecy is being fulfilled and they want to be in the middle of it all. My goodness given what Christ said about fleeing and how dreadful it will be for pregnant mothers during the Abomination of Desolation and why wait for it? The last place anyone wants to be is anywhere near the City of Jerusalem. As for the Jews hey let them have whatever they want, their going to take it anyway, but like Samuel of old ‘warn them solemnly’ “{1 Samuel 8:9} that what they are creating there is not a coming happy future but a terribly dreadful one. They are committing the sin of idolatry yet again but this time an idolatry the likes of which has never been seen ever in the history of mankind period. They need to be warned that the earthquake in 363 AD was precedent setting for the future and they should be paying attention!
“The stones were piled high and ready. Costly wood had been purchased. The necessary metal was at hand. The Jews of Jerusalem were rejoicing. Tomorrow—May 20, 363 A.D.—the rebuilding of the Temple would begin! Suddenly, and without warning, at the third hour of the night… the streets of Jerusalem trembled and buckled, crushing two hundred years of hope in a pile of dust. No longer would there be any possibility of rebuilding the Temple.”
Armageddon is at the door I am afraid folks. This is the precedent for another earthquake a few of them to be exact but one which will level Jerusalem killing over 7000 people and the last one the entire world! Revelation 8:5; 11:13; 11:19; 16:18
So like I said get out, that is what I would do.
Some have done so.Most can’t afford to move,and few countries accept penniless people.The Israelis,as well as stealing the land, make sure their Palestinian slaves are too poor to oppose them. But regardless of that.Palestine belongs by right to the Palestinian people.What we are seeing today is a repeat of the way the native Americans were destroyed.And its best to remember that when those people left.That wasn’t good enough for the colonizers.They were destroyed anyway
@ Uncle Bob
Through work I met an expat Palestinian and it floored me. I wanted to talk extensively with him but being strangers he wasn’t into it really. Trust is earned not given. We only had a short time together and I told him well your one of the lucky ones and he just kind of smiled. Later I learned too he has some 7 children and his wife is again pregnant. A buddy he works with says yeah he can’t keep it in his pants. lol. I however, figured someone has to repopulate his people.
As for can’t afford to move the unwanted masses are apparently welcome everywhere is Europe these days?
Clear as mud:
“What does BDS aim to achieve? Does it call for a one state or a two state solution?
The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:
1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.
2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.
3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.
These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.
The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.”
https://www.bdsmovement.net/faqs#collapse16234
“3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.”
That is more or less the same outcome as a one state solution since most of the refugees would return to Israel since that is where most of the refugees came from, and by that become the dominant population which means they take over the state. Norman Finkelstein forcefully argues in this video that playing the semantic game of saying BDS has no opinion one way or the other while demanding right of return of all Palestinians is not helping the cause, it simply makes them look like they are playing games with what everyone knows is a nonstarter for Israel, i.e., giving up control of the state to Palestinians by dint of a larger voting population.
Without the West Bank and Gaza,the area of “Israel” is 20% and growing, Palestinian.If the Israelis illegally annex anymore of Palestine the non-Jewish population will grow even more,to 25%-30% plus.With the Palestinian birthrate and the growing lack of Jews to immigrate to Israel.The gap will close even more.So regardless of whether the Israeli Jews like it or not.Their zionist dream will fade.They could of course go to full ethnic cleansing and Hitlerian style genocide.But they would only hasten their own demise quicker.Its amazing to me that throughout Islam there hasn’t been already a outright Fatwa issued by all Islamic religious authorities calling for Jihad against Israel worldwide.That should have come with the Israeli defilement of the Holy Sanctuary in Jerusalem. A glaring failure of Islamic unity.But there are limits that can be crossed quickly to bring that about,and with it the end of Israel.
But, Pam, why do you think that Israel should be immune to International Law? Why are all others who practise ethnic cleansing classed as criminals and pariahs, but when Holy Israel does it, uninterrupted for 70 years, to criticise this barbarity is ‘antisemitic’? Why, when killing defenceless citizens, or infesting another people’s land with colonists, or destroying the indigenous people’s homes, livestock, crops and lives, are all held to be Crimes Against Humanity, is Israel allowed to commit them all, and viciously blame the victims for the Zionazis’ crimes against humanity? Why?
“Israel Shahak titled his book, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion – The Weight of Three Thousand Years.” I doubt whether any of the US politicians who voted down the non-binding BDS proposal knows that the book exists.”
Even when they know of its existence, would they have read it?
I hit upon this book via the site of Ron Unz. He described himself, that he was so shocked that he hired a scholar to do fact checking, only to be more shocked that it all appeared to be true. And Ron Unz is a Jew himself.
Jewry is not exactly a religion imho. They have a tribal, jealous God – only for them. It’s a tribe where you are considered a Jew when your mother was. A dark cult, shrouded in secrecy, with an obsession for domination (they want to erase the white race, in order to ‘reign’), destruction and revenge till eternity.
In my youth, someone was called an antisemite when this someone disliked Jews. Nowadays when someone is called an antisemite, it’s when the Jews dislike this someone. And then it’s considered conspiracy-thinking when stating that they have mighty ‘influence’?
And still, this tribe throughout ist history, has an outstanding tradition to have priviliges, going a little too far, and screw it up for themselves. When you’re bounced off all the main bars in your town, could it be possible that the problem is… you?
And that will happen again, because self reflection is not strong in the tribe. Israel is morphing into what the Apartheid state of South Africa once was, and that eventually disappared too. I think they will screw up again. They parasite on the USA, causing them trillions of dollars debt, and eventually the Empire will crumble. And what will then happen?
However, they are like the liquid metal of the Terminator. We might think we are done, but it always flows back together.
Cheers, Rob
“Where is Ali? Ali’s on the grill” chanted Israeli settlers at the Dawabshe family outside the courtroom in Lod while police stood by, and did nothing, or 9 year old Abd el Rahman Shatawi shot in the head, or a 4 year old boy interrogated, or a teenage girl imprisoned for defending her family home, or four little kids blown up on a beach in Gaza, or unarmed protesters shot in the back, or people in wheelchairs murdered, or people pulling up deckchairs and cheering the blitzkrieg on Gaza, or scores of families evicted from their homes, or injured people lying on the ground…. finished off.
Yet apparently, the BDS movement is anti semitic. Apparently Jeremy Corbyn is anti semitic. Apparently, anyone who speaks out against the barbarity inflicted on the Palestinians is anti semitic. I’m anti semitic for writing this.
Enough. Stand up to the creatures who screech about anti semitism to smear and censor and silence those who criticise the murderous actions of the Israeli regime. Stand up against the apologists in the Western media who whitewash Israel’s many crimes. Call them out for their complicity in protecting kiddie killers and war criminals.
Mr. Moglia,
Your articles are always a pleasure to read. First, their contents are accurate. Second, you write in an English which I like very much. I studied English at school and your style reminds me always that there was a time when English was a language.
Epina39
Someone should inform that brave Italian about “the haavara agreement” etc and the zionist cooperation with the third reich, a brave human like that should not push official narrative when defending Palestine from its inhuman pharisee zionist occupants.
http://www.whale.to/b/zionism_q.html
http://www.whale.to/b/zionists.html
(not a pc site, quite the opposite tbh but its info can most of the time be traced back to original documents in this case. As with other sites it is important to use ones head when researching 👀the zionist trolls hate it with passion)
Ken Livingstone was vilified as an ‘antisemite’ and expelled from the UK Labour Party that he had served with distinction, for simply mentioning the Haavara Agreement in public. As they say in the Talmud, ‘Any goy who studies the Talmud must be killed’, and any goy who knows Zionazi history must suffer social death as an ‘antisemite’.
Came across a quote which so apt isn’t it?
Pres. Truman once said, more or less and only partly in jest, “Gosh, after we went to all that trouble to create the state of Israel, why are the Jews all still here?!”