by Alexander Mercouris
The reaction to the cancellation of the Sound Stream project has been a wonder to behold and needs to be explained very carefully.
In order to understand what has happened it is first necessary to go back to the way Russian-European relations were developing in the 1990s.
Briefly, at that period, the assumption was that Russia would become the great supplier of energy and raw materials to Europe. This was the period of Europe’s great “rush for gas” as the Europeans looked forward to unlimited and unending Russian supplies. It was the increase in the role of Russian gas in the European energy mix which made it possible for Europe to run down its coal industry and cut its carbon emissions and bully and lecture everyone else to do the same.
However the Europeans did not envisage that Russia would just supply them with energy. Rather they always supposed this energy would be extracted for them in Russia by Western energy companies. This after all is the pattern in most of the developing world. The EU calls this “energy security” – a euphemism for the extraction of energy in other countries by its own companies under its own control.
It never happened that way. Though the Russian oil industry was privatised it mostly remained in Russian hands. After Putin came to power in 2000 the trend towards privatisation in the oil industry was reversed. One of the major reasons for western anger at the arrest of Khodorkovsky and the closure of Yukos and the transfer of its assets to the state oil company Rosneft was precisely because is reversed this trend of privatisation in the oil industry.
In the gas industry the process of privatisation never really got started. Gas export continued to be controlled by Gazprom, maintaining its position as a state owned monopoly gas exporter. Since Putin came to power Gazprom’s position as a state owned Russian monopoly has been made fully secure.
Much of the anger that exists in the west towards Putin can be explained by European and western resentment at his refusal and that of the Russian government to the break up of Russia’s energy monopolies and to the “opening up” (as it is euphemistically called) of the Russian energy industry to the advantage of western companies. Many of the allegations of corruption that are routinely made against Putin personally are intended to insinuate that he opposes the “opening up” of the Russian energy industry and the break up and privatisation of Gazprom and Rosneft because he has a personal stake in them (in the case of Gazprom, that he is actually its owner). If one examines in detail the specific allegations of corruption made against Putin (as I have done) this quickly becomes obvious.
His agenda of forcing Russia to privatise and break up its energy monopolies has never gone away. This is why Gazprom, despite the vital and reliable service it provides to its European customers, comes in for so much criticism. When Europeans complain about Europe’s energy dependence upon Russia, they express their resentment at having to buy gas from a single Russian state owned company (Gazprom) as opposed to their own western companies operating in Russia.
This resentment exists simultaneously with a belief, very entrenched in Europe, that Russia is somehow dependent upon Europe as a customer for its gas and as a supplier of finance and technology.
This combination of resentment and overconfidence is what lies behind the repeated European attempts to legislate in Europe on energy questions in a way that is intended to force Russia to “open up” its the energy industry there.
The first attempt was the so-called Energy Charter, which Russia signed but ultimately refused to ratify. The latest attempt is the EU’s so-called Third Energy Package.
This is presented as a development of EU anti-competition and anti-monopoly law. In reality, as everyone knows, it is targeted at Gazprom, which is a monopoly, though obviously not a European one.
This is the background to the conflict over South Stream. The EU authorities have insisted that South Stream must comply with the Third Energy Package even though the Third Energy Package came into existence only after the outline agreements for South Stream had been already reached.
Compliance with the Third Energy Package would have meant that though Gazprom supplied the gas it could not own or control the pipeline through which gas was supplied.
Were Gazprom to agree to this, it would acknowledge the EU’s authority over its operations. It would in that case undoubtedly face down the line more demands for more changes to its operating methods. Ultimately this would lead to demands for changes in the structure of the energy industry in Russia itself.
What has just happened is that the Russians have said no. Rather than proceed with the project by submitting to European demands, which is what the Europeans expected, the Russians have to everyone’s astonishment instead pulled out of the whole project.
This decision was completely unexpected. As I write this, the air is of full of angry complaints from south-eastern Europe that they were not consulted or informed of this decision in advance. Several politicians in south-eastern Europe (Bulgaria especially) are desperately clinging to the idea that the Russian announcement is a bluff (it isn’t) and that the project can still be saved. Since the Europeans cling to the belief that the Russians have no alternative to them as a customer, they were unable to anticipate and cannot now explain this decision.
Here it is important to explain why South Stream is important to the countries of south-eastern Europe and to the European economy as a whole.
All the south eastern European economies are in bad shape. For these countries South Stream was a vital investment and infrastructure project, securing their energy future. Moreover the transit fees that it promised would have been a major foreign currency earner.
For the EU, the essential point is that it depends on Russian gas. There has been a vast amount of talk in Europe about seeking alternative supplies. Progress in that direction had been to put it mildly small. Quite simply alternative supplies do not exist in anything like the quantity needed to replace the gas Europe gets from Russia.
There has been some brave talk of supplies of US liquefied natural gas replacing gas supplied by pipeline from Russia. Not only is such US gas inherently more expensive than Russian pipeline gas, hitting European consumers hard and hurting European competitiveness. It is unlikely to be available in anything like the necessary quantity. Quite apart from the probable dampening effects of the recent oil price fall on the US shale industry, on past record the US as a voracious consumer of energy will consume most or all of the energy from shales it produces. It is unlikely to be in a position to export much to Europe. The facilities to do this anyway do not exist, and are unlikely to exist for some time if ever.
Other possible sources of gas are problematic to say the least. Production of North Sea gas is falling. Imports of gas from north Africa and the Arabian Gulf are unlikely to be available in anything like the necessary quantity. Gas from Iran is not available for political reasons. Whilst that might eventually change, the probability is when it does that the Iranians (like the Russians) will decide to direct their energy flow eastwards, towards India and China, rather than to Europe.
For obvious reasons of geography Russia is the logical and most economic source of Europe’s gas. All alternatives come with economic and political costs that make them in the end unattractive.
The EU’s difficulties in finding alternative sources of gas were cruelly exposed by the debacle of the so-called another Nabucco pipeline project to bring Europe gas from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Though talked about for years in the end it never got off the ground because it never made economic sense.
Meanwhile, whilst Europe talks about diversifying its supplies, it is Russia which is actually cutting the deals.
Russia has sealed a key deal with Iran to swap Iranian oil for Russian industrial goods. Russia has also agreed to invest heavily in the Iranian nuclear industry. If and when sanctions on Iran are lifted the Europeans will find the Russians already there. Russia has just agreed a massive deal to supply gas to Turkey (about which more below). Overshadowing these deals are the two huge deals Russia has made this year to supply gas to China.
Russia’s energy resources are enormous but they are not infinite. The second deal done with China and the deal just done with Turkey redirect to these two countries gas that had previously been earmarked for Europe. The gas volumes involved in the Turkish deal almost exactly match those previously intended for South Stream. The Turkish deal replaces South Stream.
These deals show that Russia had made a strategic decision this year to redirect its energy flow away from Europe. Though it will take time for the full effect to become clear, the consequences of that for Europe are grim. Europe is looking at a serious energy shortfall, which it will only be able to make up by buying energy at a much higher price.
These Russian deals with China and Turkey have been criticised or even ridiculed for providing Russia with a lower price for its gas than that paid by Europe.
The actual difference in price is not as great as some allege. Such criticism anyway overlooks the fact that price is only one part in a business relationship.
By redirecting gas to China, Russia cements economic links with the country that it now considers its key strategic ally and which has (or which soon will have) the world’s biggest and fastest growing economy. By redirecting gas to Turkey, Russia consolidates a burgeoning relationship with Turkey of which it is now the biggest trading partner.
Turkey is a key potential ally for Russia, consolidating Russia’s position in the Caucasus and the Black Sea. It is also a country of 76 million people with a $1.5 trillion rapidly growing economy, which over the last two decades has become increasingly alienated and distanced from the EU and the West.
By redirecting gas away from Europe, Russia by contrast leaves behind a market for its gas which is economically stagnant and which (as the events of this year have shown) is irremediably hostile. No one should be surprised that Russia has given up on a relationship from which it gets from its erstwhile partner an endless stream of threats and abuse, combined with moralising lectures, political meddling and now sanctions. No relationship, business or otherwise, can work that way and the one between Russia and Europe is no exception.
I have said nothing about the Ukraine since in my opinion this has little bearing on this issue.
South Stream was first conceived because of the Ukraine’s continuous abuse of its position as a transit state – something which is likely to continue. It is important to say that this fact was acknowledged in Europe as much as in Russia. It was because the Ukraine perennially abuses its position as a transit state that the South Stream project had the grudging formal endorsement of the EU. Basically, the EU needs to circumvent the Ukraine to secure its energy supplies every bit as much as Russia wanted a route around the Ukraine to avoid it.
The Ukraine’s friends in Washington and Brussels have never been happy about this, and have constantly lobbied against South Stream.
The point is it was Russia which pulled the plug on South Stream when it had the option of going ahead with it by accepting the Europeans’ conditions. In other words the Russians consider the problems posed by the Ukraine as a transit state to be a lesser evil than the conditions the EU was attaching to South Stream .
South Stream would take years to build and its cancellation therefore has no bearing on the current Ukrainian crisis. The Russians decided they could afford to cancel it is because they have decided Russia’s future is in selling its energy to China and Turkey and other states in Asia (more gas deals are pending with Korea and Japan and possibly also with Pakistan and India) than to Europe. Given that this is so, for Russia South Stream has lost its point. That is why in their characteristically direct way, rather than accept the Europeans’ conditions, the Russians pulled the plug on it.
In doing so the Russians have called the Europeans’ bluff. So far from Russia being dependent on Europe as its energy customer, it is Europe which has antagonised, probably irreparably, its key economic partner and energy supplier.
Before finishing I would however first say something about those who have come out worst of all from this affair. These are the corrupt and incompetent political pygmies who pretend to be the government of Bulgaria. Had these people had a modicum of dignity and self respect they would have told the EU Commission when it brought up the Third Energy Package to take a running jump. If Bulgaria had made clear its intention to press ahead with the South Stream project, there is no doubt it would have been built. There would of course have been an almighty row within the EU as Bulgaria openly flouted the Third Energy Package, but Bulgaria would have been acting in its national interests and would have had within the EU no shortage of friends. In the end it would have won through.
Instead, under pressure from individuals like Senator John McCain, the Bulgarian leadership behaved like the provincial politicians they are, and tried to run at the same time with both the EU hare and the Russian hounds. The result of this imbecile policy is to offend Russia, Bulgaria’s historic ally, whilst ensuring that the Russian gas which might have flown to Bulgaria and transformed the country, will instead flow to Turkey, Bulgaria’s historic enemy.
The Bulgarians are not the only ones to have acted in this craven fashion. All the EU countries, even those with historic ties to Russia, have supported the EU’s various sanctions packages against Russia notwithstanding the doubts they have expressed about the policy. Last year Greece, another country with strong ties to Russia, pulled out of a deal to sell its natural gas company to Gazprom because the EU disapproved of it, even though it was Gazprom that offered the best price.
This points to a larger moral. Whenever the Russians act in the way they have just done, the Europeans respond bafflement and anger, of which there is plenty around at the moment. The EU politicians who make the decisions that provoke these Russian actions seem to have this strange assumption that whilst it is fine for the EU to sanction Russia as much as it wishes, Russia will never do the same to the EU. When Russia does, there is astonishment, accompanied always by a flood of mendacious commentary about how Russia is behaving “aggressively” or “contrary to its interests” or has “suffered a defeat”. None of this is true as the rage and recriminations currently sweeping through the EU’s corridors (of which I am well informed) bear witness.
In July the EU sought to cripple Russia’s oil industry by sanctioning the export of oil drilling technology to Russia. That attempt will certainly fail as Russia and the countries it trades with (including China and South Korea) are certainly capable of producing this technology themselves.
By contrast through the deals it has made this year with China, Turkey and Iran, Russia has dealt a devastating blow to the energy future of the EU. A few years down the line Europeans will start to discover that moralising and bluff comes with a price. Regardless, by cancelling South Stream, Russia has imposed upon Europe the most effective of the sanctions we have seen this year. .
Where-Wolf, I submit that the reason US decisions are so stupidly against their own interests is the same reason that EU decisions run counter to THEIR interests. EU’s decisions (and those of individual European countries) are made by and imposed by a power above them– the US. The US doesn’t care about EU well-being; it is a tool for their puposes. US decisions are made by the international bankinng cabal which controls most decsion-making. The US is a tool used to forward their dream of a global dictatorship run by themselves. They do not care about the US and intend the disappearance of the nation-state as an entity capable of opposing their power.
Of COURSE there’s info to which we aren’t privy, but it is not logically permissible for you to assume it wd serve as evidence for your particular speculation. All that you may conclude from the unknown is– nothing. (You may not logically say “I don’t know and therefore X.”)
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude, but your whole comment makes as much sense as your calling the neocons “Bolshevists”.
Even speculation is supposed to rest on something more than a string of non sequitors.
Sorry. My comment was in answer to this:
WHERE-WOLF says, “Ask yourself, how could the Anglo-Zionist elites be so consistently stupid? There is plenty of information to which we are not privy and some of it could certainly explain the apparently blatant irrational decision making. . . . The Pentagon might actually be more of an enemy to the Banksters and their main man Obama then are Russia and Putin.”
Alien Tech: I still don’t think that Turkey’s policy towards Syria will be influenced by its doing oil business w Russia. You might as well conclude that Russia’s policy towards Syria will be influenced by doing business w Turkey. Business is mutual.
Alien Tech: Re “Turkey Demands Increased Discount”: It was only a headline. The quote ascribed to the minister wasn’t a demand. Also it doesn’t refer to the deal which hasn’t yet been finalized. It refers to Turkey’s existing gas deliveries from Russia.
To Eric R @ 08.43 04-12-14
The scheme is for an overland extension of BlueStream both cheap and logistically simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanelles
From Russia the present volume is to be increased to 63 bcm,from the Turkish side the new pipeline will go to the Boshorus,there,to the europian side of the Turkish border with a HUB,to supply the southern countries.
When the southern euro-peons get their act together and give their bought and paid for politicans the boot,Austria,Serbia and Italy will give a sigh of relief.
Eric Raynaud wrote:
“…there is already a “BlueStream” pipe line operating between Russia and Turkey. Do they need an extra one ?…”
Blue Stream design capacity is 16 bcm (billion cubic meters); the yet to be officially named “Turk Stream” is 63 bcm (same as South Stream would have been), i.e. increases capacity nearly 500%.
See very large detailed map, and chart, here:
Major Gas Pipelines of the Former Soviet Union and Capacity of Export Pipelines
Very helpful analysis. I believe that earlier this year I speculated on this site that Russia may drop South Stream and put the effort into more constructive projects headed east or south. Since it looks like Israel-America is hellbent on everything short of a “hotwar” nuclear exchange to bring Russia down, it doesn’t make much sense for Russia to put the sort of effort South Stream would have required, since Israel’s toys will make sure it becomes a wasted effort, like most of Russian attempts to get decent trade relations going with Israel’s proxy regimes in Europe.
One thing Mercouris didn’t speculate on was the Ukrainian coup role (he specifically stated he wasn’t going to). What I’m thinking may be a little different though, than what seems to be expected.
What if the Russians have enough certainty now that Israel’s banderastan puppets will fall before South Stream would be completed and that the Ukraine would become a reasonable independent state that would no longer interfere with the energy transit? With a reliable partner in the Ukraine, there would be no reason to got to all the extra work of creating a whole new energy transit system duplicating the Ukrainian pipelines.
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[from Blue]
As for isolating Russia and China (and India, along with Brazil and Union of South Africa), look at a world and note the size — it’s like trying to isolate the Atlantic Ocean.
The US empire, including the EU, is on the way down and can’t chew what it’s already bitten off. Without the gas flowing through the Ukraine Europe will be in rough shape with just the pipes that now exist. Russia and China will work together because it’s mutually beneficial.
Great Sourhown!!
(I don’t know what it means, but it sounds good and it was written in the captcha)
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Penelope it is all business and access to trade. If Russia did not have access to places from Syria, they would not step in front of the train the empire of frack is on the quest to destroy. Neither would Turkey have supported. Turkey thought they would get cheap gas from Qatar as well as become a gas trading hub while the Iranian pipeline ends at the Syrian port instead of the Turkish port. Once on the path it is difficult to change course but one can realize the futility of throwing more resources to a lost cause. And when you have no more reason to throw more resources into it, that project slowly dies. Syria is winning and they will win if no one throws more fuel into the fire. I think Turkey is now out of pumping more fuel into the Syrian furnace. Not because Russia is forcing them to do anything but because they have no more reason to. They have to now show they are businessmen and profits and reliability matter. And if you follow the frack me principle, all the wars and assassinations were all done to benefit business and profitability.
It is ALL business! Only idiots follow ideology like in Pakistan and that is because the Military wants to hold onto power. They use ideology to undermine the democratic process but you dont see frack me sam helping the process because there is no profit in it. But as you also saw, ideology did come in handy to consolidate power and Pakistan got 100 bil for their help. So it does pay but that is often far in between and not because of policy. Russia losing Syria is a national security issue. Nato can block the black sea fleet from moving out of their port without their flanks being exposed and neuter the russian fleet in the atlantic just like how the US is trying to do in the pacific. Cant sell any gas when all that access is blocked by the enemy.. Japan learnt all this the hard way and started WW2..
Oil Prices and Energy Wars: The Empire of Frack versus Russia
A similar scenario is at play in Argentina, which has the second largest exploitable reserves of shale gas in the world. Buenos Aires intends on becoming an energy exporter in the future. This is why the Argentine government took back control of its national energy company, Yacimientos Petrolíferos Fiscales (YPF), from the Spaniard oil conglomerate Repsol through legislation passed on March 3, 2012.
Argentina has been in the cross-hairs for economic destabilization via a group of hedge funds—called the vulture funds—that have tried to disrupt its debt repayment agreements. This has been done with the help of the US judicial system. This is why the Argentine government has championed the concept of fighting «economic terrorists».
It just so happens that YPF and Gazprom signed a partnership agreement in 2014 to develop and extract Argentina’s energy reserves. It appears that Argentina’s bid to develop its energy resources and its cooperation with Russia are the reasons why the vulture funds have intensified the pressure on Argentina. [7] This is why Argentine President Cristina Kirchner has said that the vulture funds are the «eagles» of Washington’s empire.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/05/oil-prices-and-energy-wars-empire-frack-versus-russia.html
It turns out that myths about the freedom of international trade are really only for the benefit of countries that are members of this or that “club of civilization.” For everyone else the system advises a flexible policy of sanctions and democratic prescriptions for overthrowing dictatorships. In order to talk to the West as an equal, one must first cover one’s bets with a series of agreements with the East, which is what Vladimir Putin did during his visit to Ankara – a visit that will surely go down in history.
This is a very advantageous turn of events for Ankara. Turkish leaders have long dreamed of developing their country into a transit zone for gas shipments bound for Europe. The potential Nabucco gas pipeline – by which gas from Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan could be shipped to Europe – had formerly been a hot topic of discussion.
This is fully consistent with Turkey’s foreign policy of Neo-Ottomanism, which includes integrating the entire geographical area that at one time was under the sway of the Ottoman Empire. This expansion of Blue Stream would allow Ankara to “control the tap,” giving her significant input as to how natural gas is supplied to the Balkans.
Clearly America is not about to concede Europe to Gazprom. Bulgaria will still have to pay the outrageous price of $500 per thousand cubic meters and remain vulnerable to frostbite because of Ukraine’s irresponsible policies, because Washington surely knows best when it comes to what projects should be Sofia’s top priorities.
Source in Russian: Izvestia
http://orientalreview.org/2014/12/03/a-eurasian-gas-bombshell/
This is cruel lesson that Europeans completely deserve. I am not sentimental about Serbia just because I am Serb. If Serbia goes the same wrong way Bulgaria did, and judging by the pro-Western direction Serbian political idiots are heading there is every reason to believe that, Serbia should also be punished, at least by losing much needed income.
@What do you think?https://news.vice.com/article/china-is-playing-hardball-with-russia-over-two-massive-gas-pipeline-projects
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I think vice is a cia tool. Or didnt you see the isis propaganda documentary they did. Or the slanted anti russian pro kiev junta documentary.
Its all cia propaganda. Think what you want about the china deal. But the best evidence as to what really happened is Russia and China are happy and nato is fuming mad.
this might be interesting from 2010- “When he(Rus Deputy Prime Minister Sechin) unveiled the project on October 19 2009, Sechin was reported in Kommersant as saying: “Turkey has agreed to the implementation of the South Stream [gas pipeline] in exchange for participation of Russia in construction of the pipeline Samsun-Ceyhan;” that Russia had agreed to the “ participation of Turkey in South Stream instead of Bulgaria…bypassing Bulgaria”; and that Russia and Turkey have agreed to consider construction of an oil refinery at Ceyhan, and are “close to an understanding of [their] participation in joint marketing of the OIL(my caps) in the pipeline”.
“Samsun-Ceyhan Petroleum Pipeline Project was introduced (completion 2015???)…as having great importance in changing Turkey’s geo-strategic position to a strategic advantage and strengthening its position in the international energy sector. Putin didn’t say that he and Sechin had decided to provide Russian funds for two pipelines on either side of the Turkish straits. That has been left for the backroom committee of ministry, Transneft and Rosneft experts to figure out. Rosneft is calculating that it can fetch more profit for its crude if it ships it eastwards, to Russia’s new oil terminal on the Sea of Japan at Kozmino. From there the crude is sold to China and other Asian markets. According to Bezborodov, “there will not be enough oil for Samsun-Ceyhan. That’s because quotations for the Far East oil are better, so most companies want to work with the Far-East project.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-is-backtracking-on-black-sea-oil-exports-because-the-money-market-is-in-asia-2010-5#ixzz3L2IhRzap
hmmm-Ceyhan, right near to Turkey Syria border-hhhhmmmm -could go east via New silk Road to Turkmenistan then through to China too????? Rus has couple pipelines crossing Ukraine to Kherson-could be vulnerable.
Also
“The completion of the so called TAPI gas pipeline will undermine the development of an Iranian pipeline, thus sabotaging the efforts of a US adversary.
The TAPI pipeline illustrates how Washington is aggressively securing the assets it needs to maintain its dominance for the foreseeable future”-USA companies controlling pumping in Afghanistan etc.Afghanistan, which is central to Washington’s pivot strategy, is going to be used for military bases, resource extraction and transportation. That’s it. There’s not going to be any reconstruction or nation building. The US doesn’t do that anymore. This is the stripped-down, no-frills, 21st century imperialism. “No nation for you, buddy. Just give us your gas and off we’ll go.” That’s how the system works now. It’s alot like Iraq –the biggest hellhole on earth–where “oil production has surged to its highest level in over 30 years”.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/oil-and-gas-pipelines-pushing-ukraine-to-the-brink/5390729
The State Department and CIA helped to topple Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych and install a US stooge in Kiev who was ordered to cut off the flow of Russian gas to the EU and lure Putin into a protracted guerilla war in Ukraine. The bigwigs in Washington figured that, with some provocation, Putin would react the same way he did when Georgia invaded South Ossetia in 2006. But, so far, Putin has resisted the temptation to get involved which is why new puppet president Petro Poroshenko has gone all “Jackie Chan” and stepped up the provocations by pummeling east Ukraine mercilessly. It’s just a way of goading Putin into sending in the tanks.
But here’s the odd part: Washington doesn’t have a back-up plan. It’s obvious by the way Poroshenko keeps doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. That demonstrates that there’s no Plan B. Either Poroshenko lures Putin across the border and into the conflict, or the neocon plan falls apart, which it will if they can’t demonize Putin as a “dangerous aggressor” who can’t be trusted as a business partner.
So all Putin has to do is sit-tight and he wins, mainly because the EU needs Moscow’s gas. If energy supplies are terminated or drastically reduced, prices will rise, the EU will slide back into recession, and Washington will take the blame. So Washington has a very small window to draw Putin into the fray, which is why we should expect another false flag incident on a much larger scale than the fire in Odessa. Washington is going to have to do something really big and make it look like it was Moscow’s doing. Otherwise, their pivot plan is going to hit a brick wall.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/oil-and-gas-pipelines-pushing-ukraine-to-the-brink/5390729
June 17 2014 As one prominent Bulgarian political analyst, who asked not to be named, told the German news agency Deutsche Welle, “The EU has no money to support Ukraine in the gas dispute with Russia… So in order to blackmail Moscow and compel it to continue transporting gas via Ukraine, Brussels wants to put a halt to the South Stream project. Bulgarians are the ultimate victims. And the project might still be completed, potentially via Turkey, which does not bow to the [sic] pressure from the EU.”
So they thought about it then………
an intresting interview with Bulgarian gas expert in June 2014 too……eg “As a result, we are witnessing brutal policies in which means and methods used have no limits in the approach toward the governments of certain states within the region. Bulgaria and Romania are also part of the American puzzle; in the last few days there was a visit by three US senators in such key states bordering the post-Soviet space as Poland, Romania and Bulgaria.” – See more at: http://www.novinite.com/articles/161212#sthash.p2OB3vHg.dpuf
weekend reading for those with time on their hands……
Jonathan Jarvis said…@ 05 December, 2014 15:29
Like many in the goldfish bowl you assume that the opponents can exercise some control, that “the world” will blame Russia, and that Russia will “react” instead of acting.
Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention?
Anonymous said…
[from Blue] @ 05 December, 2014 00:48
“it’s like trying to isolate the Atlantic Ocean. “
If you turn your map upside down it would likely be even more illuminating.
I asked my Moscow colleague for his opinion on Putin’s South STream move.
My comments to him:
Very interesting news.
My immediate thought:
Is this a strategic retreat? A kind of “Make My Day” moment. A sudden pulling back to put the EC etc. off-balance? Until maybe they come to their senses?
Does the EU really prefer to be held hostage by Turkey for gas supplies? Amd to pay the transit fees or whatever they are called to Turkey? And what about the countries that would have been the transit countries and thus are seeing years of planning and expecting revenues etc. go down the drain? Don’t they have some kind of legal case? Isnt’ this (preventing South Stream) actually obstruction of trade?
I foresee a potential big outcry in Europe about this. From the countries that have been strong-armed into abandoning the project (Bulgaria, Hungary) and also other purchasing countries.
I also saw a headline that a Bulgarian minister says he does not believe that Russia has given up on SS. http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/764643
(Great gas info-graphic there.) That is my initial thought, too.
My thought: tactical retreat to give the Europeans a chance to think this over?
“Do you really want to break up?”
His response:
“The South Stream plug pulling looks like a strategic retreat but it also looks like a sign of the dramatic change of Russia’s outward strategy. Putin signaled that Europe is not more the dominant partner for Russia in the long term. Russia tries to diversify its energy supply [[I think he means markets]]. A new projected pipeline “Altai” from Western Siberia to Western China may replace the South Stream. Implementation of these two megaprojects simultaneously would be a too high financial burden for Russia. Transportation capacities of Gazprom for European exports are excessive even besides the South Stream. Moreover, investment risks have increased because of the weak gas demand in Europe and the lowering energy prices.
One can also apply a game-theoretic reasoning to explain this retreat. On the one hand, by building the SS, Gazprom gets a first-mover advantage by preventing its competitors to enter. On the other hand, the EC maintains a second-mover advantage. Even if the EC promised now to release the South Stream from the third-energy package regulation norms, it can impose this regulation later. With installed pipelines and equipment, Gazprom will fully lose flexibility. It will have no other choice but to obey all the EU regulatory rules such as the 50-percent reservation of pipeline capacities.
Now there is no reason for Russia to turn off gas supply to Europe as a counter-sanction measure. These are speculations of journalists. A gas cutoff may happen only if Ukraine does not pay the remaining part of its gas debt to Russia until January 2015. Then the situation of January 2009 may repeat, but I believe that Russia, EC and Ukraine will be able to find a compromise. It is not in the Ukraine’s interest to provoke a new gas crisis in Europe.”
Katherine
@ Bot Tak
“What if the Russians have enough certainty now that Israel’s banderastan puppets will fall before South Stream would be completed and that the Ukraine would become a reasonable independent state that would no longer interfere with the energy transit? With a reliable partner in the Ukraine, there would be no reason to got to all the extra work of creating a whole new energy transit system duplicating the Ukrainian pipelines.”
Excellent point! In addition to other reasons for dropping the project. Perhaps pulling the plug on SS was one of those “overdetermined” moves. The cost side of the scales was getting ever heavier and the benefits side simultaneously lighter.
to the anon that said this
‘ Anonymous said…
@What do you think?https://news.vice.com/article/china-is-playing-hardball-with-russia-over-two-massive-gas-pipeline-projects
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I think vice is a cia tool. Or didnt you see the isis propaganda documentary they did. Or the slanted anti russian pro kiev junta documentary.
Its all cia propaganda. Think what you want about the china deal. But the best evidence as to what really happened is Russia and China are happy and nato is fuming mad.
Anon, I read somewhere that VICE news is owned by Rupert Murdock.
The problem with this is that Turkey can never be trusted – they are perennial backstabbers.
Turkey has its hands full of blood of Syrians – Turkey is one of the biggest supporters of ISIS, al-Nusra and other assorted terrorists in Syria. Turkish officers and spies have been caught in Syria, and Turkey has been stealing from what has been dismantled in Syria. Trucks full of stolen goods and factory equipment head to Syria, while terrorists and weapons come from Turkey to Syria.
Many Syrians are kicking themselves for trusting Turkey because a dozen years ago Turkey acted like a friend.
During those times, Turkey and Syria were removing the mines along the Syrian/Turkish border. However, *that* was in preparation of what we see today. It was long planned to attack Syria. When the war broke out in Syria almost 4 years ago, the terrorists had already built miles of tunnels throughout Syria in preparation of the launching of the war.
Also, the cancellation of South Stream really hurts Serbia, which can’t seem to catch a break.
They were seriously mauled by NATO bombings, crippled by western-imposed sanctions, and then an installed thieving-privatizing and incompetent puppet government.
Also Serbia sold the majority share of its oil company at a low price to Russia in part because they expected to get the South Stream as part of the deal. So Serbia is left hanging again to be abused and devoured by the EU. Russia only really cares about its business interests.
Why did Russia forgive Afghanistan $11 billion worth of debt in the 10 years after Afghanistan was bombed (and it did not have its infrastructure damaged like Serbia’s – many bombs were just of desert areas.) Why hasn’t Russia forgiven Serbia any debt at all?
Serbia itself forgave Iraq, several years ago, $1 billion worth of debt.
@Penelope
Ah, the people who call themselves Neocons today line up directly with the supporters of the Bolsheviks both before and after the Russian Revolution. In most cases they (modern day Neocons) are the children of the Jews who openly supported and funded the Russian Revolution including Lenin and Trotsky before some of them turned against Stalin after WW2. They were also big fans of Roosevelt before also turning against him because he was insufficiently authoritarian.
Look into it and you’ll learn something Penelope.
@Ann
Thank you.
I wasn’t aware of the dating of the Kali Yuga. If we crossed that threshold back in 1899 then I should definitely cheer up.
It is called a stop loss and also killing two birds with one stone. Europe going to suffer and Russia is going to get the money and also to punish Europe so that she knows her place. the one who owns the spice control the universe.
WHEREWOLF: The Neocons are not Bolsheviks because George Bush’s father Prescott, Rockefeller and a few others funded Trotsky and the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Even the people who did the funding were Capitalists (not Bolsheviks). They funded the revolution in USSR because they wanted to stop its development.
Actually the neocons are so pro-capitalist that they’re fascist. They are for rule by corporations.
Regards.
If the Europeans are smart, they will resume and accelerate the shift to renewable energy. They’d started but have since mainly stalled out, as neoliberalism gained a stronger and stronger hold over European governments and they cancelled various incentives.
Unfortunately for them, they will probably not, except for the Scandinavians, do this. Denmark may well be OK, the Norse and Icelanders might do fine, but France and Spain and Greece and even Germany, maybe not so much.
My contribution to issue in
Is South Stream Pipeline Transforming Itself To “Turk Stream”? – https://arirusila.wordpress.com/2014/12/03/is-south-stream-pipeline-transforming-itself-to-turk-stream/
Dear Saker,
Your article already translated and published in Russian LJ.
Good analysis without any emotions.
Such kind of article helps us (in Russia) to understand and to see that in EU and USA still exist “people of honor” with “the clean brain” and wide mindset which not follow to FRS, IMF and Bilderberg group direction and mission of to destroy as much as possible people and to occupy all resources in the World under 300 of richman.
If you are interested of politic and very long “story” of confrontation between Russian Empire and Anglo-Saxon Empire, thus you can find some information about “Big Game” which already exist more than 300 years between Russia and England bankers.
Look at Afghanistan and situation around it.
Look and Singapore and rumour about new Chine Gold “stock exchange”, but which will operate only with PHYSICAL gold without any “paper” which now operated under CEMEX management.
A lot of information for analysis and for understanding what happens in real in the World.
Just FYI you can use online translator for this article which explains economic and power aspect of Turkey role and cancellation of South stream –
http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/20623.html
and
http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/20973.html
Best Regards,
From Russia with love ))) ©
Dear Saker,
Your article already translated and published in Russian LJ.
Good analysis without any emotions.
Such kind of article helps us (in Russia) to understand and to see that in EU and USA still exist “people of honor” with “the clean brain” and wide mindset which not follow to FRS, IMF and Bilderberg group direction and mission of to destroy as much as possible people and to occupy all resources in the World under 300 of richman.
If you are interested of politic and very long “story” of confrontation between Russian Empire and Anglo-Saxon Empire, thus you can find some information about “Big Game” which already exist more than 300 years between Russia and England bankers.
Look at Afghanistan and situation around it.
Look and Singapore and rumour about new Chine Gold “stock exchange”, but which will operate only with PHYSICAL gold without any “paper” which now operated under CEMEX management.
A lot of information for analysis and for understanding what happens in real in the World.
Just FYI you can use online translator for this article which explains economic and power aspect of Turkey role and cancellation of South stream –
http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/20623.html
and
http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/20973.html
Best Regards,
From Russia with love ))) ©