By now you have all already probably heard it. The CEO of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, has announced that Russia was now implementing a “prepayment only” gas delivery plan for the Ukraine and Lavrov has announced that he has “nothing to talk about” with the Ukie clown currently impersonating a Foreign Minister, Andrii Deshchytsia, and that he “would not meet with him”. Unlike the always calm and impeccably diplomatic Lavrov, Miller made no effort to show his complete disgust with, and contempt for, the junta in Kiev whom he clearly sees as blackmailing and stealing mobsters. This was especially evident when he said that the amount of gas the Ukies had set aside in their reserves was exactly the amount of gas which they were now refusing to pay for. To put it in plain English: the Ukies stole gas from Russia to fill up their reserves and they are about to begin stealing gas bought by the Europeans. Nice folks indeed. Very “Euro-compatible” I suppose…
So my first reaction was to rejoice that Lavrov and Miller and finally expressed their total disgust and treated the junta leader with the disgust and contempt they deserve. But then a very unpleasant thought crept up into my mind: is that not exactly what the Ukies wanted?
As I have written a million times now – the junta in power in Kiev is doomed, Banderastan is not viable, the rump-Ukraine is in ruins and terminally broke and there is nobody in the West who can do anything about it. And I bet you that the Ukies know that. This is why from their point of view involving the Russians is vital as Russia is the *only* possible scapegoat on which they can blame it all. So now Russia has “cut off gas” and the Russian Foreign Minister has announced that he will “refuse to meet” with his “Ukrainian counterpart”. You know how the Ukie propaganda machine will present that? It will be something along these lines:
For all our efforts to negotiate in good faith with the Moskals who are occupying our land and sending in terrorists to kill our people, the Kremlin imperialists have decided to use the “gas weapon” against our people. Worse, instead of thanking our Miniser of Foreign affairs who, at a great personal risk for himself, confronted a justifiably outraged crowed and calmed them down with some manly humor and thereby saved the Russian “diplomats” (who are really all FSB spies) from the righteous wrath of the people, they have now announced that they will refuse to meet with him. Yet again, the Moskals have shown that they belong to steppes of Asia and not into the community of civilized European nations. Etc. etc. etc.
And, of course, the Ukies will get yet another standing ovation from the western politicians and corporate media. This is so predictable that it is not even funny anymore. But there is something which worries me much more: the Ukie tactic is a sound one. Why?
Well, think of it. If one side is truly desperate to provoke the other side, what are the chances that it will fail? If you and I met somewhere and I would put all my energy and creativity towards the sole goal of getting your attention and force you to respond – how long do you think it will take me to get what I want?
The same applies here. All the Ukies need to do is escalate, escalate and escalate even further, and since no matter what they do the Psakis in the West will always whitewash it, approve it or even praise it, there is nothing holding the neo-Nazi junta back. This is a small except of what Juan wrote to me today:
Kramatorsk as I write is being flattened, the entire city is under intense bombardment including Grad and Hurricane MLRS. Everything, industrial areas, shopping areas, infrastructure areas, living areas, is being flattened. We’re going to have I think hundreds if not a thousand dead civilians. Is this the atrocity needed to bring in Russia? I don’t know. Yet.
Two cities in Europe are turned into new Oradour-sur-Glane and nobody in the West gives a damn. Germany and France pass laws basically forbidding the honest historical research of the Nazi atrocities in WWII while at the same time not only denying, but pro-actively supporting Nazi atrocities in a country which they claim is part of Europe. How crazy can this get?!
It get’s better. Everybody, and I mean everybody, was fully aware that the Ukies would sooner or later begin to siphon-off European gas. It was therefore quite evident that the sound solution was to have a North Stream and a South Stream bypassing Banderastan to make sure that *European* gas (it’s theirs from the moment they buy it!) would get delivered. But no, the EU criticizes Bulgaria, McCain takes a trip to Sophia and, voilà, the Bulgarians are stopping the construction of South Stream which, of course, will end up hurting only the EU (not Russia or the USA!).
So let’s sum it up:
- The neo-Nazi junta in Kiev cannot survive and it knows it
- Uncle Sam is desperate to pull Russia into a military intervention
- The EU is was is delicately called a “punk ass bitch” in US jail
So what are the Russian chances to not be provoked in this context?
Pretty close to zero I think.
What Lavrov and Miller did today or, should I say, were forced to today is just a first step. In essence, even though Miller and Lavrov did the right thing, they still gave the Ukies exactly what they wanted. And this scary. Because this “success” will breed more attempts to force Russia to react. What can come next?
As I wrote yesterday, “I would not put it past them to try an air or missile strike on, say, a kindergarten in Crimea or even in Belgorod. They could also kidnap a delivery man for a Russian company still operating in Kiev or heroically massacre of minibus with an Aeroflot crew on the way to the airport“. They can also attack a Russian border post, bomb a Russian vessel in the Black Sea, or even blow up a church belonging to the Moscow Patriarchate. And then what? Will Russia still only verbally protest?
I am not making these up. There has been already at least one case when a Ukrainian Su-25 penetrated into Russian airspace to attack a border post controlled by the NDF. The Russian could have *easily* shot it down (they have the technology needed to shut down pretty much all of the Novorussian airspace without having to move a single missile batteries or radar across the border). But they chose not to simply because by the time they would need to prove that the intruder was in Russian airspace the Ukie version (a Russian aggression, of course) would have made all the front page news. Remember how long it took the West to eventually and most reluctantly admit that “yeah, okay, it was the Georgian side which attacked first”? How many people today even heard about this admission anyway?
I am pretty darn sure that the folks in the Kremlin are fully aware of all that and, judging by what some people close to the Kremlin are saying, the decision has been made in Moscow to wait as long as possible simply to get a justification for the inevitable Russian intervention which would be as clear cut as possible. Please understand that Russia does not need to make any specific preparatory move to intervene in Novorossia. All that NATO nonsense about Russian troop movement and concentrations along the border is just propaganda for civilians. The fact is that Putin can give the order and in the next 30 minutes the entire airspace of Donbass will become a no-fly zone, within the next 60 minutes most Ukrainian artillery positions and command posts will be destroyed by missile strikes after which the NDF (backed by a few more volunteers) will be basically sufficient to take full control of the Donbass. As for the Ukie death-squads they will run for their lives as fast as they can. The only problem is timing. The Kremlin is desperately waiting for a sign that the Europeans are slowly coming to realize the monster which they have unleashed in the Ukraine. I personally do not believe that the Europeans will suddenly grow a conscience or a spine and considering the mass murder taking place today in Novorossia I continue to believe that a Russian intervention is inevitable.
In the meantime, the provocations will continue. I just saw footage of the two journalists of the Russian TV channel Zvezda News which had been kidnapped by a Ukrainian death-squad and for which the Ukies had wanted a $200’000 ransom. Though neither did go into any details, both had been severely beaten, one had a glorious shiner under his eye while the other could not hear from his left ear. I have also heard news there had been an attempt to bomb the Russian consulate in Odessa and that somebody had prevented it (local cops?) and that it all ended in a huge brawl. And, of course, bomb and shells are raining down on Kramatorsk and Slaviansk right now – the terror operation is clearly in full swing.
The Ukies will “win” in the sense that they will succeed in triggering a Russian intervention which they will try hard to turn into a war. If they do, it will be a short one, but the political damage will be immense. So I suppose a final rationale for Putin to wait for as long as possible is to get as high a percentage of the Russian population truly outraged before moving in so as to make this not a “Putin decision” but a “Russian people demand”.
I thus fully concur with Juan: it will get a lot worse before it gets better and lots of people will die. But at the end, Russia, and the rest of us, will prevail. Of that I am sure.
The Saker
Calm down. Time is on Russia’s side. Gas cutoff; Ukr starts stealing Euro gas; more propaganda crap (and BTW The skill level of the prog crap is stunningly low – do a blowup of NATO’s latest tank photos. No fit at all). But reality starts to bite. Moscow is patiently building a legal/diplomatic case. It’s not doing this to influence the 0 Administration – it knows that’s a waste of time; but there are other people in the world. The self defence forces are holding their own or better. General Winter is Russia’s best ally and he is coming, day by day. Meanwhile the 0 Admin has to think about Iraq et al too.. Putin plays the long game! The others are all Psakied.
Q: All the Ukies need to do is escalate, escalate and escalate even further, and since no matter what they do the Psakis in the West will always whitewash it, approve it or even praise it, there is nothing holding the neo-Nazi junta back.
R: That sounds the same as what the only ‘democracy’ in the ME is doing and if that’s anything to go by, we’re in for the long haul.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_17/Unilateral-Ukraine-border-with-Russia-is-not-legitimate-Pushkov-3912/
The Star’s online front page (Canada’s most popular paper) had a video clip http://bcove.me/eios2anr of Yats’s reaction to the cut-off, which covered all the points you made. And that was it. No articles, no context, nothing. Just 44 seconds of Yats telling us how those evil Russkies cut off their energy.
Given that a truly disturbing number of Murkans still think Iraq had something to do with 911, I don’t have much hope for critical thinkers to break through the Mighty Wurlitzer’s noise about the current situation.
As for Murka’s foreign policy strategy, it’s always been about provoking the other side to look bad to justify the atrocities that follow, from foisting a an unnaceptable unconditional on Japan, thus allowing the world to see the effects of their shiny new bomb, to the foisting of impossible agreements onto Palestinians to make it their fault for a negotiation’s failure. It’s practically Murka’s primary strategy (if you include false flags as a variation of it).
Hey, you got a strategy that works, you keep using it. Given the public’s false consciousness, that includes an historical memory of about a week, you can be sure few will call you on it.
I still harbor hope in Putin & Lavrov that they will navigate this just as brilliantly as they have everything else thrown at them so far. I can’t imagine what they will be, though…
there is no need to have a blatant display of military power to show what Moscow is capable of. Poison one of the oligarchs with all of their bodyguards around or have someone die of polonium poisoning, and the Ukies will fall into line pretty damn quick. I am exaggerating here but you get the drift. Show that Moscow has a very long reach and that it isn’t the poor little people who will pay the price,but the bastards who are responsible.
Okay, I am ready to scream! Nora. Is. Losing. It., Big. Time.
I had just finished typing the following when I refreshed and saw this new post. I think they are very good pieces, I think they might help other people also in need of at least a mini-break from these horrors. But me, I’m going to take some time for a great, big cry.
How the hell can you love your country so very deeply, and utterly loathe it at the same time?
When you get the point point of not being able to handle what is going on (and not going on) in the Donbass — or at least needing a break from the horrors there past, present and (hopefully not) future — try pondering these two pieces instead. Liberal, Conservative, pre-Constitutional, post-Constitutional, Old Anglos at DoS (plus one guy whose name is Old Hudson Valley Dutch), the Bill of Rights, those wonderful words most honored in the breach and some lessons not learned from our military misadventures — all in all, two very good articles, one at Antiwar.com and one at CounterPunch:
http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2014/06/15/what-weve-lost-since-911/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/16/how-to-evolve-an-exit-strategy-from-americas-foreign-policy-shambles/
there is no need to have a blatant display of military power to show what Moscow is capable of. Poison one of the oligarchs with all of their bodyguards around or have someone die of polonium poisoning, and the Ukies will fall into line pretty damn quick. I am exaggerating here but you get the drift. Show that Moscow has a very long reach and that it isn’t the poor little people who will pay the price,but the bastards who are responsible.
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SYRIAN AIR FORCE RULES IRAQ’S SKIES KILLING ISIS NIHILISTS
Read more at http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/06/syrian-air-force-rules-iraqs-skies-killing-isis-nihilists.html#2KDjuA3ufPC35Md6.99
Based on several Syrian sources and Assad’s own comments, it does look like the Syrians have operational S-300 systems. Although confirmation from a Russia source would be more credible, based on the strange Israeli reluctance to approach Syrian airspace one can infer that the Syrian claim is true.
Hello Saker,
Frankly weren’t you supposed to take a few days off and cool down a bit? Again you seem to be overreacting to what’s pretty much predictable small fry. When I say predicatable it’s in the eyes of seasoned statesmen such as Putin, Lavrov and Co. who won’t take the bait.
I read that Ukraine has gathered 5/6 months worth of gas reserves. Guess what this brings us to December, the coldest months of the year. In the meantime, the Ukr economy keeps sliding downwards, regular troops defect, a handful mercenaries haven’t managed to capture 2 small cities, let alone have any influence in Donetsk, Lugansk, Mariupol. To make it even more chaotic, Syria, Iraq, Lybia are in complete turmoil and Ukraine has it more and more difficult to draw US -who’s begging for Iranian assistance!- exclusive attention.
Read this at Orlov’s (he seems to be reading you btw) http://cluborlov.blogspot.be/2014/06/american-foreign-policy-fiascos.html
And again, cool down please for this won’t get fixed overnight and you need to take care of yourself too if you want to last longer than the crisis.
All the best
@ Patric Armstrong,
Q: The self defence forces are holding their own or better.
R: That might be so, but according to Juan the use of GRAD and other MLV is now commonplace and that means death, destruction and mayhem for all those [mainly civilians] in their path. I don’t want to see any more pictures of strangled pregnant women or ladies with their legs blown off. Something tells me worse things are to come. The coup-installed ‘government in the Ukraine is as financially solid as its [main] backer the US. The only option is war and the need of scapegoats.
I think Russia/Putin is doing the right thing. This is not a street fight. This playing with unexploded bombs.
I would recommend the article bot tak linked in a previous comments at Russian Pravda: http://ruspravda.info/CHego-dobivayutsya-vlasti-Ukraini-5500.html and also one linked below their mathead: http://ruspravda.info/Komanda-Kolomoyskogo-vsadniki-bolshogo-peredela-i-gosudarstvo-v-gosudarstve-5502.html
The first discusses the attempted provocation of Russia as the aim and sincere hope of the junta.
From the second link I get the sense that Kolomoisky and friends are looking to consolidate power in the SE region and that their tactics would include confiscation of Russian property and business interests.
Russia, I should think, will not tolerate the kind of state that Ukraine is morphing into – a kind of oligarch frakenstein affair. I hope whatever the eventual response is that it succeeds in some fashion we haven’t conceived or discussed as the obvious moves seem overly fraught with downside risks.
The Trap
It s a trap but an overt one and they cleverly use the biggest asset the populations support of Putin to push Russia into it. If Russia would be a kingdom like Saudi I would be calm but its a democracy so we have to fear the worst. Now most people think that Russia has any military option in the Ukraine thinking that Ukraine is not part of NATO. Well in theory… but practically it means war with NATO. Unfortunately few can see beyond the smokescreen. the US would not enter into a war against Russia over the Ukraine told Obama… it seems some really believe the words of that perpetual lier.
Btw. its not the Ukraine who needs War against Russia they are just stupid pawns its the US and its elites who need it – with almost exactly the same reasons.
While the populous is busy watching the stupid games we are riding the edge of the abyss. Brave modern world…
Q
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Please. Everyone. Join the propaganda war, if you haven’t already.
If you don’t feel comfortable doing this in your own identity, open a Twitter account under an assumed name, and start tweeting/retweeting articles that spread the TRUTH, as well as replying to lies from the other side.
Remember to use relevant hashtags at the end of your tweets such as #ukraine and #russia, to make sure they are seen by as many eyes as possible. (I also always use political tags like #tcot and #p2 to reach readers on the Left and Right).
Before you say it doesn’t make any difference, remember the other side has a veritable Twitter army – they must think there’s some value to it.
It may not be much, but even ditch-diggers are of some use in an army – and I consider myself to be a virtual ditch-digger ;-)
If anyone else has any other ideas in which individuals can act to combat the wall of lies, please post them. Thanks.
Saker
All those zionazi manipulations will take place no matter what the Russians do, short of actually entering Novorossia or the Ukraine. The Russians can take it on the chin and keep their hand outstretched in friendship, they can simply refuse contact with the zionazis, it wont matter. The zionazis have their script to follow and will follow it irregardless what Russia does. As long as the Russian response remains less than overt intervention, the zionazi provocations fail.
I still think, despite Stelkov’s pessimism, that Novorossia has the upper hand now, and that if they keep finding the “goodies” they need, there wont be a necessity for a Russian border crossing or air/missile support. There are a lot of ways the Russians can counter the zionazi assault asymmetrically, and I think they have been a lot more than we could know about.
Anyway, I’ll repost this article which I think makes a lot sense, though I don’t agree with every point it makes.
Чего добиваются власти Украины? (Pursue the Ukrainian authorities?)
http://ruspravda.info/CHego-dobivayutsya-vlasti-Ukraini-5500.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/ruspravda.info/CHego-dobivayutsya-vlasti-Ukraini-5500.html
Saker, I agree with your earlier, very detailed analysis arguing that Russia will not intervene militarily. This is a huge turning point, the type that could make the fools in the DC establishment gun shy for a good while where Russia’s concerned. The longer Russia waits, the greater chance the fascists in Kiev have to do something that is simply atrocious and unavoidable by the Western media. They will do that and there will be another audio leak or something like that to nail the folly of this policy to the wall.
This poll in RT seems to indicate that Putin has some room. That, plus the weakness of the Kiev military argues for your original point – Russia will not intervene.
Daniel Rich said…16 June, 2014 22:41
“R: That sounds the same as what the only ‘democracy’ in the ME is doing and if that’s anything to go by, we’re in for the long haul.”
Yup, it’s been their baby right from the beginning. Wheen one looks at it, the fall from hegemony will hit them the hardest, as they depend on the fascist oligarchies in the USA, EU and Japan for their very survival. The dollar, and to a lesser extent, the euro, is their lifeblood. No dominance of these and their bankster/mafia power wilts away. The rise of an independent economic alliance, which the zionazis do not have “veto power” control in will kill that plague.
Apparently they already killed a Russian border guard at a checkpoint.
http://portall.tv/news3.php?id_news=5053
Why Ukraine’s Civil War Is of Global Historical Importance
By Eric Zuesse – Global Research, June 07, 2014
“The reason for this operation against Russia is basically to preserve the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. If Putin can hold out long enough, the dollar will collapse and so will the U.S. economy; but it’s probably going to happen anyway, and so the longer that Putin remains “weak” against the U.S. assault, the sooner will come that likely U.S. collapse. This will thus be a war of nerves between Obama and Putin: Obama, to hold off the U.S. collapse; and Putin, to prevent a Russian collapse.
These sorts of wars don’t do anybody any good except some bankers and war-profiteers, but Obama is smart enough to have known at the start that he was rolling very big dice here, and he seems to have thought that the bigger the stakes are, the likelier it would be for the U.S. aristocracy to emerge on top. Future historians will likely have a field day trying to figure out how he came to these bold conclusions; but, if Obama wins, then probably everybody will know how and why, and we historians will have other work to do.
If Obama loses, then Putin might remain quiet – simply because of the difficulty he’ll have explaining to the Russian people why he had held back for so long while the Russian-speaking Ukrainians next door were being slaughtered. Even if Putin wins, he’ll probably lose in public esteem. Like I had said: this isn’t a war he wanted.”
The saker said :
” They can also attack a Russian border post, bomb a Russian vessel in the Black Sea, or even blow up a church belonging to the Moscow Patriarchate”.
I don’t think even they are so stupid as to do that, at least not overtly. If they could find a way to do so covertly without being found out they would. Do you believe in God saker ? The axis of evil don’t. They have set themselves up in place of God and feel they can do whatever they please. Evil is an infection. A virus of the soul and the spirit. When someone does something bad to us they infect us with their evil, but only if we let them. What I mean is, when someone does something bad to you your natural reaction would be to get angry and seek revenge. This is how hatred perpetuates itself and infects the world. As the saying goes an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. What I mean by if we let it is if we follow our natural instincts to seek revenge on whoever has wronged us then we ourselves become infected with their hatred.
I really admire president Putin, Sergei Lavrov et al for the enormous and superhuman forbearance they have displayed thus far in the face of unbelievable provocation from the fascists in Kiev and the evil forces in Washington that control them, and before that in Syria and the decades of humiliation heaped upon Russia by her western “partners”. This is why Russia will ultimately be the victor in all this. Russia has not allowed herself to become “infected” by the hatred of the west towards her and so is in full control. Russia will do what it must when the time is ripe with a clear vision and a cool head and devastating intent. As for America, I think the following just about sums up what I feel :
“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
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For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
May president Putins choices be guided by the Great Spirit.
“I personally do not believe that the Europeans will suddenly grow a conscience or a spine and considering the mass murder taking place today in Novorossia I continue to believe that a Russian intervention is inevitable.”
Far be it from me to accuse any European ruler of having either a conscience or a spine! But they do have economies to preserve, and that may yet foil Washington’s plot to impose ‘biting’ sanctions on Russia. After all, any sanctions strong enough to bite Russia would almost certainly bite Europe even worse. Note that even Holland, who caved in to our petulant president’s demand for a Putin-free dining experience, still held a separate dinner for the Russian president. And–over Washington’s strenuous objections–still sold him the two Mistral ships.
If this gas stand-off lasts into next Winter, and the Ukies start siphoning off of Nordstream, then that may actually end up turning more and more Europeans against them. If you recall, something very similar happened back in the winter of 2008-9, and that was a total fiasco for the ‘Orange Revolution’ losers.
But of course, this requires patience on Russia’s part, so the Ukies will probably resort to any provocation to get the ‘Evil Ivan’ to invade before then. Still, if they go too far or do something too blatant, there’s always the hope that could backfire, too.
By the way, Saker, any news from the UN Security Council today? I understood that Russian was supposed to assume the council’s rotating presidency on June 16th. I was anticipating that they might take the chance to use this as a kind of bully pulpit to screw with the West’s official narrative on Ukraine. Have they?
I’m not sure what you think the coup government is winning at this point, since more and more they appear to be idiots, ninnies, and even worse nonhumanitarian operators than the shock and awe US government, if that is possible. It’s fortunate they do not have the power of the latter, but perhaps they are giving our ptb second thoughts about promoting them by the sheer lengths to which they, the Maidan operatives seem ready to go.
Sure, they will probably steal the gas – is that supposed to make everyone love them? That hoodlum stuff they allowed to happen at the Russian embassy only made them look bad and Russia look good.
Even in the corrupt US government that has to have a lot of people thinking very seriously about the support that has been given, and I also think the mindgames being played in think tanks, particularly with the shambles in Iraq has got to have more and more folk wondering what sort of marbles these guys are playing with.
I don’t understand why you think a no fly zone – I shudder at the comparisons – is going to help the situation – or why coming in guns blazing is going to make things all work out okay. Haven’t we been there, done that enough times to prove it doesn’t work?!
Moreover, that hasn’t historically been Russia’s path, and I still remember Iran making the point that as a nation they do not invade other nations. They have my respect for that. Even more so in these chaotic times does Russia, setting the same example of patience and endurance for the world. We’re all going to need both as our climate implodes.
That’s the high ground. That’s what makes Russia a cut above. I agree with others that there is no certainty there is going to be a good outcome from this policy. But don’t we want to be able to have a good answer before whatever awesome judgment seat we think awaits us? Even if it is only the next generation to make that call, good enough.
I’m not saying this will go on indefinitely. Let the coup guys ratchet up the provocations, but they must know the tipping point will come. It’s getting mighty close with embassy threats, and had that meant outright atrocities, that could have been it. There’s no winning in that ‘it’ for anyone, but then and only then should Russia react, when it is very clear Russians are being harmed.
I know that sounds callous, but it is something all the world’s people will understand as different from what the US has been meddling in to such disastrous results for everyone involved.
Meanwhile those attacking their own countrymen are digging their own damnation. I firmly believe that.
I’m no doubt repeating myself, sorry for that.
Seamus Padraig said…16 June, 2014 23:54
“If this gas stand-off lasts into next Winter, and the Ukies start siphoning off of Nordstream, then that may actually end up turning more and more Europeans against them.”
Nordstream doesn’t pass through the Ukraine.
Wow. Shameful days for our leaders who welcomed the current Ukie regime and lent them what little was left of our good name after Iraq. Shame! They should be exiled. Ugh!
I’m not sure how the Obama administration facilitating ISIS taking steps to establishing a caliphate plays into the Ukraine situation but I know it surely does. Almost seems like Syria is lost now that Al-Nusra, ISIL , the CIA, etc are being reinforced by a safe east flank in Iraq which would open up Syria for a pipeline to the EU making Russia gas less important. Not that a pipeline would be built by winter even if ISIS, Obama, and his hash tag bimbo’s ate all the Syrian liver they could hold until then….
That the US, France and Britain would not condemn the attack against the Russian embassy in Kiev is very important. It will justify any Russian response when the attacks against the embassy are allowed to escalate. Yep, Putin, Don’t shoot til you see the whites of their eyes!!!
This week will be crucial, I predict.
Without american backing, i doubt the Junta in Kiev would dare to rob european gas.
Juliana,
Your words are very wise, every one of them. Please feel free to repeat them any time!
Russia is not the US cavalry.
Saker:”I personally do not believe that the Europeans will suddenly grow a conscience or a spine…”
This is naive. There are plenty of Europeans who support Russia and are prepared to fight in her defense.
The problem is that the European political classes and media are either directly controlled by the Americans or based on Americanist principles.
I hate to always bring up Stalin, but he and the Russian CP knew how to deal with the enemy camp: Buy off their politicians, set up alternative, pro-Russian news sources, and facilitate the kind of grassroots organization that successfully opposed Reagan’s efforts to escalate the Cold War.
I admire Putin. But he can learn a lot from the great Georgian.
-Armenian Catholic
More interesting musings by EuromaidanPR.
They claim they’ve realized they’d really be better off without Donbass:
http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/06/16/donbas-divorce-and-maiden-name/#more-12181
It must suck to recognize you should’ve just let them go on 5/11.
Probably the best way, if it can be fomented, would be a military coup in Kiev. I don’t see that as difficult. It would restore the honor of the Uk. military if followed by an announcement of cessation of operations. After that, federal elections could be possible and a normalization of relations with all countries.
If I were Putin, that is what I would be holding out for.
I have always said that no matter what you do, you will not please the West. You end up shoot your feet, and right now, you are play into their hand.
To think more atrocity has to be committed before RF can go in is tragedy itself. I guess the shadow of Afghanistan is too long.
The absolute arrogance displayed by KIEV to tell Moscow that they are unilaterally going to demarcate the border between Russia & Ukraine has me worried.
I hope that Russia is well prepared for the unthinkable and that is a KIEV Terrorist first tactical Nuke strike in Russia.
I am convinced that those lunatics are sick enough to somehow have been supplied one by the US or will fire off a volley at a Nuclear power station.
Everyday I hear these sycophants I am more convinced KIEV are complete lunatics and there is perhaps a devastating ace up their sleeves.
Russia if it does, must strike quick & hard.. severing the head and not attack the tail.
I am awake at nights pondering about what deadly toys Ihor Kolomoyski has purchased with his billions on the black market
Keep Calm. Interesting times as Events unfold the West is in deep, deep quagmire. Iraq has imploded and Kiev is on the soon to be cold element:
U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham said yesterday. “We need Iran’s help”
you know the Empire is in dire straits. So desperate as it turns to Iran to stabilize Iraq and prevent a collapse. Was not Iran the evil enemy?
From the Telegraph, UK
Iraq Crisis: Britain and the US to hold direct talks with Iran
“Britain and the US are to enter direct talks with Iran over how to stabilise the situation in Iraq as the country heads towards a de facto partition between Sunnis, Shia and Kurds.
William Hague, the foreign secretary, spoke by phone to his Iranian counterpart Mohammad Javad Zarif at the weekend, he told MPs on Monday, on subjects that included Iraq. He is expected to make another statement on Iran on Tuesday, amid speculation that he will announce the reopening of Britain’s Embassy in Tehran, which was stormed and looted in 2011.
A senior US state department official confirmed that the Iraq situation had been discussed on the sidelines at Vienna.
“We are open to engaging the Iranians, just as we are engaging other regional player son the threat posed by ISIS in Iraq,’” [.]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10904363/Iraq-crisis-Britain-and-the-US-to-hold-direct-talks-with-Iran.html
Do you believe the kingdom of Saud and nutty Bibi are pleased?
And what of Ukraine?
The US/UK/EU now facing the Iraq blowback, so Ukraine is now second billing. The gas payment deadline came – the $1.9 billion in arrears remains unpaid. Will the EU write a check before Mr. Winter arrives?
Russia has spoken.
Russia after its embassy in Kiev was attacked has put in place some contingencies.
Yesterday, citing InfoResist, this item was posted at Zerohedge: (with vids +photos)
Convoys of Russian Tanks heading for Ukraine Border Ahead of 2:00 AM ET Deadline
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-15/convoys-russian-tanks-heading-ukraine-border-ahead-2amet-deadline
[.]
Multiple sources also confirm the movement of a large convoy of military vehicles in the Rostiv region towards the border of Ukraine…
[.]
“We are sure this move will be denigrated in the West as an act of aggression… since not only did the Russians decline to play by the West’s rules and take a sizable haircut ($300 vs $500) on their already-delivered debt but are now moving military into place to protect its borders…
Keep your eye on the moving ball…
Ukraine’s new president, according to The FT, is already asking for the west to impose fresh sanctions on Russia.” [.}
Anon Mongoose
Certainly Russia has considered to do some quick house cleaning
Do as Hannibal & cross the Alps
When you want to sack the Senators in Rome don’t start with Egypt.
Its the skillful way Japanese cooks prepare a FUGU fish so that only the edible parts are eaten.
Fugu contains amounts of tetrodotoxin in its organs, especially the liver, the ovaries, and the eyes whereas skin is usually non-poisonous.
A sodium channel blocker, paralyzes the muscles while the victim stays fully conscious. The victim is unable to breathe, and eventually might find Nirvana.
Any Japanese restaurants in KIEV?
Both Alekasandr Dugin http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1402768550 and Nikolay Starikov http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1402960417 seem to think that Putin will, must, intervene, but first they’re going to help the nationalists under the table.
@know the truth said…
“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
May president Putins choices be guided by the Great Spirit.
16 June, 2014 23:52
I do pray as well this to be so. Although I’m brought back to:
Mohamed.
13 June, 2014 17:42
So, both Obama and Putin are in cahoots. Including Iran, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, UAE …. to get rid of these Tafkiris once and for all. Good luck to them. Unfortunately, Ayatollah Sistani has been duped into it, as this is a “False Flag”.
Only Turkey is resisting to join these countries. They are have still not woken up to Mursi (Muslim Brotherhood) lose in Egypt. Thus, the capture of Turkey’s Consulate in Mosul.
The reward from Obama to Putin for all this is Crimea and rest of the Ukraine as per Putin’s wishes. Plus getting rid of Russian Tafkiris at the same time too.
I Pray that Putin is the hero in this wasted life monstrosity, of so many innocent fellow human beings being killed worldwide. So few seem to care. I pray this not “THEATER” of the most “EVIL” kind. Lord, show us the truth in the nonsensical death squad mentality surrounding all of us. Blessings!
Re The only problem is timing.
I believe the operation will start when ISIS takes Baghdad and starts chopping off the heads of any American they capture – live on TV!
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I do not think the Russian aim will be to destroy the Ukrainian army or armor as quickly as possible. I would be far wiser to surround and pocket them and wait for them to surrender of switch sides.
The junta is playing a very dangerous military game. Earlier it was announced that the strategic aim was to secure Kharkov and Odessa and that Donbass was factually lost. The junta successfully withdraw most of its troops from the border areas without allowing them to be trapped or to switch sides.
Today the tactic is the opposite. Kiev is pushing all its heavy armor into the tight corridor between the densely populated industrial Donbass and the Russian border.
See: Why did the 200 Russian vehicles not cross the border yet? – Ukraine@war (good geolocation, but the author gets delusional when the evidence does not fit his Nazi apologist agenda.)
If Russian troops were to relieve Slavyansk from the north, through Kharkov oblast, then the best part of Ukrainian armor would be trapped between Lugansk and the Russian border.
This escalation maybe related to Poroshenko’s preparing to unveil the “peace plan”. He wants to gain as much ground as possible before the talk. He may actually have a plan, but this news to me is more like a propaganda deceit. It will be harder for Russia to intervene before he shows his plan .
I myself am not going to offer opinions….or offer suggestions…what is rapidly unfolding on the world stage is beyond my ability to grasp….but i’ll bet Putin/Lavrov….and the russian military are not sitting around the table trembling and wringing their hands….these people have history and a sense of rationality that the dying West lacks….”they are slow to saddle,but ride fast”….let us remember that Russian saying….
I think Russia does not need to have any ground forces intervention. A punitive air strike to take out the regime armour deployed in the east would be very effective. It has the advantage not being an invasion. But I expect the 1984 western media to claim that all the damage perpetrated by the Nazional Guard against eastern towns and villages to be the result of sloppy Russian air attacks. Even if Russia waits another six months the western media will spew exactly the same propaganda.
Russia made the major mistake of letting the death of one of its border guards slide. It should have used it as a pretext to launch air strikes. Putin and Lavrov should pick up their game.
I’m sure Hezbollah Field Commanders would have good ideas to offer in this type of situation for Donbass defenders. Maybe someone could fly a few of them over.
The Ukrainian government is a government of killers.
How does one deal with a killer?
@Nora,
If the US would’ve been a horse nobody would have hesitated to do a ‘mercy killing.’ As for now, the only thing is sit back and watch why DHS needed that many bullets.
Hi Saker,
A Belgian “specialist of energetic matters” already said that Russia is using her energetic weapon, Gazprom :
Anonymous said…”Without American backing, I doubt the junta in Kiev would dare to rob European gas.”
Surely it must be obvious that the junta DOES have American backing. As Victoria Neuland, America’s viceroy in the area, said, “Fuck the EU!”
To everyone: Think these issues through! In “The Shield of Achilles” Philip Bobbitt spoke of the “long war” that lasted from 1918 to 1991. His assessment of the “long war” was wrong: it hasn’t stopped yet. In fact, from the first settlers in Jamestown, Virginia in 1601 and in Massachusetts in 1623 the war has been ongoing. It’s the American way.
The American revolution was based not on some taxation or other or on parliamentary representation. It was based on Geroge III’s 1763 royal proclamation that English settlement could never go further west than the ridge line of the Appalachian mountains. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Proclamation_of_1763)
From day one, the Americans wanted empire. By the 1790s there were several dozen American ships docked in Shanghai’s harbor every day of the year.
By 1803 when Jefferson (illegally) bought the Louisiana lands from Bonaparte, his exploration team never thought to explore only the Louisiana lands, but went all the way to the Pacific Ocean, 1,000 km further west than the western extremity of the purchase.
As early as the foundation of the country, Americans schemed to conquer all of Central America and northern South America to make the Caribbean an American lake.
The faked-up war with Mexico fulfilled the plan to reach the pacific as did the bullying of Great Britain to gain control over Puget Sound.
America entered WWI in order to grab some of the spoils of war, as did it’s false-flag entry into WWII to control the Pacific.
Enough history! Empire and victory are as old as the first English ships that touched North America. America’s apostate Christian dream is of a city on a hill, a shining citadel to control the world.
“Fuck the EU!” shouts Neuland. “Fuck the world!” shout her masters.
But if history informs us of anything, it says that all empires eventually fail. For the American empire that day may be very soon.
We may be “sad” that eastern Ukraine is ravaged but Vladimir Putin is a profoundly courageous man, a brilliant strategist who has done more in the last year to outflank that empire than anyone has done in many years.
He has the support and encouragement of many Americans, those of us who want to have a “little” America, an America that minds it’s own business.
Perhaps we arm-chair strategists could cease having hissy-fits over Ukraine. What will happen there will happen and I think Putin will win. How do you define win? In my profession, the law, we define winning as getting the best result you can.
If anyone wants to boo-hoo over dead babies, why not meditate first on dead Iraqi babies, dead Afghani babies, dead Libyan babies, dead Vietnamese babies. . .well, I could go on and on.
Bagdad’s boy army
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/16/article-2658858-1ED2AD9600000578-524_964x1193.jpg
I’m so ashamed to be an American!
The Russians must actively and continuously show to the whole world all the crimes, murders, destruction and atrocities committed by the Ukies.
“Lucky mcgriff said…,
I Pray that Putin is the hero in this wasted life monstrosity, of so many innocent fellow human beings being killed worldwide. So few seem to care. I pray this not “THEATER” of the most “EVIL” kind. Lord, show us the truth in the nonsensical death squad mentality surrounding all of us. Blessings!
Dearest Sister Lucky,
I am a Shia. The question:
“‘Is ISIL really ‘Sunni’? Not at all’
Headlines read: “Sunni Islamist Militants Seize Mosul.” “Sunni militants capture northern Iraqi town.” “Iraq Army Tries to Roll Back Sunni Militants’ Advance.”
In fact, ISIL appears to be far outside of Sunni Islam. The kind of “Islam” espoused by the ISIL Takfiris is an extreme version of the Salafi-Wahhabi school of thought. These people reject the five major Islamic madhhabs (schools of thought) including the four Sunni ones. If you reject all four Sunni madhhabs, how can you call yourself Sunni?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/06/17/367304/is-isil-really-sunni-not-at-all/“
In both Judaism and Islam, there is no such concept called, “Devil”. The Oogla made me do such and such thingy!
As far as Putin is concerned, he is not God. God is God. Putin is a very good person, whose first and foremost job as the President of Russia is to look after the interests of Russia, which he has sworn to uphold. This is the most one can expect out of him.
Some people say that Putin is a Chess Player. Chess is Haram in Islam. Why?
The only objective in Chess is the survival of the King, at the expense of Queen, Friends, Religious Authorities, Properties, Foot Soldiers and so forth. All these are intentionally set up and scarified, just only for the survival of the King. To Putin, the King is Mother Russia.
God bless all mankind, and God bless our enemies, and God enlighten our enemies and show them the right path.
Blessings,
Mohamed.
@Everybody,
Some people say that Putin is an excellent Chess Player:
Chess: King (whose survival is the sole objective). In doing so, one plans, sets up, sacrifices all the followings:
1. Queen (wife and family)
2. Knights (friends and brass)
3. Rooks (property and war machine)
4. Bishops (religious authorities)
5. Pawns (solders, fifth column, intelligence community, so forth)
In Islam Chess is Haram. If one plays too much Chess, then one unconsciously becomes a conniving planning bastard against his own family, friends, …..
Best regards,
Mohamed.
If and when Russia attacks things in the Donbass, do you expect them to clean up in Kharkov or other regions, too?
As I wrote already, a quick and massive intervention may be delayed but is unavoidable. I agree completely with this post of yours.
Rockerduck
I believe that there are lessons to be learnt from the destruction of Yugoslavia. Those who planned and executed the extermination of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia are using similar methods to destroy Russia.
It wasn’t enough for the Anglo-Zionists to consign Yugoslavia to history’s dustbin, they had to turn Serbia into a weak vassal state. Slobodan Milosevic’s failure to see this was his greatest mistake. The NATO attack on Serbia (Montenegro was largely ignored) in 1999 was on the cards from the late 1980s, and possibly much earlier. Milosevic’s readiness to do deals with the Anglo-Zionists by first blockading the Serbia-Republika Srpska border, and then by allowing NATO (aided by Croats) to overrun the Serbian Krajina were great strategic mistakes. NATO’s target was never Knin or Banja Luka, it was always Belgrade.
Milosevic should have seen the threat to Serbia and should have protected the Krajina and Republika Srpska. NATO attacks on Serbia flew over the Krajina and Republika Srpska unopposed. If air-defense systems which existed in the Krajina and Republika Srpska had been maintained, then Belgrade would have been a much harder and more dangerous target for NATO.
Bit by bit, NATO chipped away at Serbia’s natural defences until Serbia was pushed back across the Drina river and Belgrade could be hit by missiles fired from Bosnian airspace.
Russia is today’s NATO target. Nothing will really change if Russia defends Donbas and other regions in the former Ukraine. Russia will still be NATO’s mortal enemy even after they have destroyed the murderous Uki forces. The only change will be that Russia’s western borders will have a buffer-zone.
Will the Americans and EU impose sanctions on Russia if they intervene? Probably. Will they impose sanctions if Russia does not intervene? Probably,
The battle-lines have been drawn and Russia is targeted for destruction and occupation. Russia will need to fight NATO (hopefully in discrete ways and through proxies) but it is better that this battle is done from a position of strength and not weakness.
Russia should launch a humanitarian intervention in Ukraine and it should last until they have taken strategic positions. This might include mountains where radar can be installed, or factories that produce important munitions, or mines full of strategic minerals. Russia should play NATO’s game and take what it needs under the propaganda umbrella of humanitarian intervention.
President Putin should not make Milosevic’s mistake. The Anglo-Zionists do not compromise or make deals, neither should he.
Russia will never intervene militarily. Russia is intervening militarily right now.
@ Mohamed: that is pure nonsense. Barack HUSSEIN Obama is running the takfiris for his british masters, why in hell would he want to get rid of them? He needs them for the job.
Macon Richardson said…17 June, 2014 05:15
Decent historical rant.
The USA has always been aggressive and expansive. There is no “good side” to that. They have always sided with and employed the worst elements on the planet (no point using the word human, as it no longer exists among that shite). In fact, the USA, contrary to their propaganda national mythos, is a country of the world’s rejects of the worst sorts. Which is why the country has consistently been among the most backward and fascist nations on the planet throughout its existence. Whatever is the most messed up things about the planet, one can find these same things “exceptionally” messed up in the USA.
It’s that aspect of the USA that made it ripe for zionazi take over. The sods had all the basic prerequisites in place, the zionazis just needed to play upon them a bit to get the desired results.
Macon Richardson said…
Anonymous said…”Without American backing, I doubt the junta in Kiev would dare to rob European gas.”
Have you read the open veins of latin america> by eduardo galeano?
Le Dahu
Dear The Saker,
http://rt.com/news/166364-special-forces-us-iraq/
Well it looks like the USG has sent 275 troops to Iraq to protect its “Embassies”.
I think it would be a good idea for Russia to send troops to Kiev, Odessa and elsewhere to protect their Embassy and consulates.
Unlike the US – Russia’s has actually been attacked and the USG has set the precedent…..so the Junta and puppet masters have no excuse…… ;)
Also:
http://rt.com/news/166476-russian-journalist-ukraine-operation/
Russian journalist injured in Ukraine – need to send troops in to protect diplomats, property and citizens….have a very clear legal case….
Rgds,
Veritas
I think at this point putin basically lost. He can only choose between 2 different outcomes.
1:Intervention
This will result in more sanction and the stop of selling any gas. Without the gasmoney russia will have huge internal social problems because russia relies on those sales. This cant be compensated by china in the short and longterm because the chinese pay less. When russia cant sell its gas to europe its in a similar situation like japan in 1941.
2.No Intervention
the uprising will likely be crushed with many civilian casulties and putin will lose public support. Ukraine could still sabotage the sales of gas, even more so bescause southstream seems to be on stop.
Major Problem in this is the EU, in my opinion. The EU politic is not rational, its fine to buy gas from russia and create a stable energy supply. Yet they get divided and some crountries let them buy out ( Southstream-project). It make no sense for EU to not build Southstream and bypass ukraine completly. The US will win because they could sell their expensive gas to the EU making more money AND weaken the EU industries that will have a more unstable and more expensive energy- situation.
Short: Putins problem is that the EU dont act as a sovereign country/state
One question: Is the a countdown for the Ukraines till they colapse ? (rents,payments)
As an USA’n looking for unbiased information, I find the “sitreps” posted by “Juan” to be very valuable. I would like to see them much more frequently. Is there anyone aware of a site in English, or perhaps Spanish, where there are at least daily unbiased updates such as “Juan’s” “Sitreps”?
Saker, your analysis is correct.
This is all about Russian public opinion… because it is all about regime change in Russia.
So, please give us some hard information about Russian public opinion. The last thing I read said that, even though Russians are ecstatic about annexing Crimea, they are against annexing part or all of Ukraine.
And Putin does not want war. He does not want to lose a single soldier to this nonsense, and he’s right.
@Michael:
Don’t be so hard on Milosevic. There was never anything Serbia could do. Their fate was sealed the minute NATO decided to set up shop in the Balkans. From that moment on, Milosevic’s only real choice was either unconditional surrender or death. Just like Saddam and Khaddaffi. The only thing that could have saved Serbia was the strong backing of another great power–that’s the only thing that has saved Syria. But Russia was too weak back in the 90’s to do the job, and Yeltsin was a drunken buffoon anyway.
The notion that it is bad strategy to give the opponent what he wants is predicated on the assumptions that the strategy of the opponent is both doable and will result in the desired outcomes that the opponent expects.
Sometimes it is not only good strategy to either give or allow the opponent to appear to achieve what he wants,but even better is to give the impression that the opponent achieved his “what he wants” through his efforts and the validity of his strategy.
Apparent success not only tends to increase hubris but gives added opportunity for nemesis through bathos.
Shakespeare’s warning against webs of deceit must always be factored into such strategies.
Part 1 of 2
Saker, what if we are looking at the current situation from the wrong point of view?
We all know, that oligarchs do not care about nationality. I’m not sure whether they care about power either; they see it as an investment to get more money/not to lose what they have. So what if Poroshensko’s war is not about preserving Ukraine (that’s just a story for ‘khokhols’), but to earn more?
# Basis of the theory presented below #
1. Rumors about planned fracking in south-east Ukraine: https://www.facebook.com/clyzhba/posts/574068306043247?fref=nf
2. Map of the planed shale gas sites (very low resolution. Sorry, I cannot find the original on RT): http://zvedavec.org/images/14/za-co-bojuji-polske-eskadry-smrti.jpg
# Observation of current events #
1. *attack on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Donbass*
– the objective is to get rid of the population, doesn’t matter whether it is a genocide, or displacement, just have them disappear. It allows to change land ownership necessary to fulfill the contract obligations with Shell and Chevron. If the original owners are branded as militants/terrorists/separatists/they fled, nothing prevents Ukraine from seizing their land. Those who will stay will be put through “filtration camps”, depending on some opaque criteria (“may we take your land? No? You are a terrorist…”).
2. *attempts to block delivery of gas from Russia*
A. *blocking gas delivery via Druzba*. The current “negotiations” have purpose to stop Russians delivering gas via Druzba. Russians will switch to prepaid gas for Ukraine, Ukraine will prepay for 0. Ukraine will start stealing gas for EU, EU will start blaming Russia, not Ukraine (see also point 3).
B. *blocking construction of South Stream*, by putting pressure on Bulgarians (“do you want more resources from EU funds for development, or another color revolution?”), Serbs (“do you really want to enter EU? Too bad you didn’t cooperate with us…”), Hungarians (this one would be difficult, Orban’s government tries to have relatively sovereign policy, but after successful pressure on BG/RS, and especially BG, they won’t matter).
– the objective is to physically block Russians from being able to deliver their energy to their markets.
3. *providing political and media cover to the actions in S-E, ignoring humanitarian resolutions in UNSC*
– of course, if the people in the world would know the truth, they would protest. But by providing political and media coverage (“evil terrorist”, “evil Russia”), it would be possible. Particularly in East European countries, they will buy the narrative, because it confirms the bias of the local Russophobes. (It is especially entertaining in the former Czechoslovakia, because “we will never forget 1968”. But we are best pals with Germans and we did gladly forget 1939, although 1968 pales in comparison with 1939).
# Tactic purpose of the plan #
1. by cutting of Russia from European markets, they are denying Russia the income from the gas, which means that Russia will be slowed down in modernizing their defenses due to inability to allocate enough resources, ultimately losing arms race again.
2. “diversifying” European gas sources, inserting US/UK companies into the chain. Europeans will be made dependent on US companies, the resources from point 1 will go to US 1%ers and UA oligarchs.
# Strategic purpose of the plan #
Preventing development of EU-Russian relations, preventing Euroasian project and cooperation. It presents a danger, that it would put US/UK on the periphery of civilization.
Part 2 of 2
# What can Russia do about it #
I’m not sure about their options.
If they intervene in S-E, they will be painted as an aggressor by the West, and it will be used to break EU-Russia relations.
If they do not intervene, they will be painted as a traitors of the Russians and they will not prevent the tactical objectives anyway.
Framing the question as intervene/not intervene is a lose-lose proposition for Russia.
They need to prevent achieving the tactical objectives:
1. Develop relations with EU, show them, that what is going in UA is a humanitarian catastrophe and that EU cannot ignore that. Point out the hypocrisy of the current coverage of UA events. Work on the media/PR front.
2. Prevent being cut off from EU markets, prevent blocking of South Stream, strengthen Nord Stream and Yamal. Persuade EU, that they cannot afford/rely neither on PL/UA shale gas, nor on US/Qatar LNG. (In the mid-term, consider Druzba dead and unusable).
Unfortunately neither of these options solve the problem for Donbass people. They are closed in the lose-lose proposition of the wrong framing. The only thing I see there is a covert support, that cannot be exploited by adversary. But it is not strategic objective, it is humanitarian one. Russia actually needs some of the conflict here, to fulfill their objective (1) above.
If you read Svoboda official program ( http://en.svoboda.org.ua/about/program/) everything is written there, read :
VII. Foreign Policy and Defence: the European-Ukrainian Centrism and a Strong State :
Point 2 (leave CEI) is in progress, thanks to Parubiy, former of Svoboda, who is doing it
Point 4 which is build a pan ukrainian reich is in progress too, several meetings with these countries
5 use international lobbies is of course in progress
6 border and delimitations with russia is in progress, Parubiy has announced it yesterday that they are, unilaterally, setting the borders with russia
7 call US and UK for assistance : they are working hard on it
point 8, i do copy paste it as it is, read it, no comment :
8. Appeal to the General Assembly and the UN Security Council demanding statements to evaluate the possibility of pre-emptive nuclear strikes without declaring war.
9. Restore the nuclear status of Ukrain
10 is exactly what is happening actually, remember that this program has been written years ago :
10. Start real, not declarative actions that enable the integration of Ukraine into the European security structures: clean authority and power structures from the agents of Moscow; neutralize subversive organizations funded by Russia; delimit and demarcate the borders; destroy the pockets of separatism; neutralize all territorial claims to Ukraine; ensure the withdrawal of Russian military bases on Ukrainian territory; immediately reform and rebuild the Armed Forces and Naval Forces of Ukraine.
etc etc
we cant say that we were not warned : they aim to build a fascist state, nuclear one
Careful Vot, haven’t you just evacuated all meaning from “zionazi”, making it indistinguishable from The American Way?
Taft would have vetoed the Federal Reserve Act, so Rothschild’s minions split the vote to deny him a second term. Roosevelt was determined to break up the British empire. Truman opposed the British coup in Persia. Eisenhower slapped down Britain and Israel over Suez. Kennedy slapped down Britain and Israel over Dimona and the Yemen. As a result, both countries clearly had foreknowledge of the 1963 Johnson coup, after which their influence mushroomed, becoming malignant after 1991.
The neocons continue the imperial project of the Rhodes-Milner-Rothschild Round Table, combined with the Likud party’s fusion of the Jewish mafias of Russia and the United States. Churchill launched the Cold War at Fulton, and Blair tore up the Peace of Westphalia in Chicago. MI6’s Bernard “the-world-will-end-in-2006” Lewis set the US on its catastrophic course against the Muslim world. The British-Saudi-Israeli terror network precipitated 9/11. Nial Fergusson advises McCain. Every opinion poll shows US citizens are centre-left on most issues. It’s because their government does not represent them that your “zionazi” tag is so useful.
Air attacks on civilian populations are terrorism at it ugiest. It has been so from the first “employment”. Here is what Aurther (later “Bomber”) Harris had to say in 1921 when the British were bombing and gassing Kurdish villages. “The Arabs and Kurds now know what real bombing means in casualties and damage. Within 45 minutes a full-size village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed and injured.”
Another wing commander of the time. Gale, had this to say: “If the Kurds haven’t learned by our example to behave themselves in a civilized way the we had to spank their bottoms. This was done with bombs and guns”.
Isn’t civilization, now well along in the destruction of the living planet, wonderful?
My view was, and is, that Moscow (say Putin if you must, but it’s never that simple) made a great, historic mistake in failing to collaborate with Ukraine’s regular army ( which was surely possible up intil mid or late March) to secure the eight eastern oblasts. The population would have been spared the agonies now before them; the economic sanctions would have been more bearable than those in prospect when Russia finally, under far less propitious conditions, is forced to fight.
When Kiev began it’s first military probes, when all it would have taken to deter attack was a stern posture, the Americans said, in effect, “Go ahead. Face him down! He’ll cave in.”
My question is:Who faced Putin down? Was it really the West or was it his own oligarchs and economic interests saying “You can’t do this. It will cost us too much money.”
The longer the Russians look away from the mounting carnage on their doorstep, the more emboldened the Americans and their scrofulous acolytes become.
If they are allowed to win in the two oblasts they will refocus on Crimea.
I must go. But, Nora, please notice the post I left for you following Juan’s statement. Had to cut it back hastily with people coming for supper, but you get the jist. Here’s to Nana the Apache. Tom
A Parthian shot Bob. The AIPAC lobby has quite grossly overplayed its hand. We are seeing something long, and mercifully absent,antisemitism, seeping back in the ‘body politic’. Cantor is the sole Jewish republican in the Congress. His crushing defeat at the hands of Prof Brat, who spent about 2% as much money, cannot be entirely unrelated to that fact. he times, they are a’changing.
om
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/06/the-ukrainian-conflict-a-ukrainian-nationalist-view-part-1/
Dear friend, please comment on this…
Abel Kotze
South Africa
Varg,
Gas sales are not much when compared to oil. And the idea that losing the Ukraine is a question of face is missing the fact that next comes war on the Crimea and destabilization inside Russia proper.
All of these things are negatives for Russia, of course, though the end of the EU might be a positive, and having a resolution to the festering sore of the Ukraine was needed at some point.
Tom Garrett,
I did see it and responded (only Claymore I’d ever heard of was what the Highlanders lost with at Culloden…). But you made sense there and you make sense here too, unfortunately. We just sent troops to Iraq to protect our embassy and Churkin’s comment seems to be the only weapon Russia has yet used (publicly) to any great (?) effect. I mean, I loved it, but still…
I am hoping against hope that our faith in Russia’s wisdom, strength and good strategy isn’t just like all those Progressives who worked their tails off to elect Obama and then waited for him to display his wonderful skills at “eleven-dimensional chess” without ever realizing he’d simply sold them out.
I’m NOT AT ALL saying Putin’s sold anyone out, but I do see his hands being tied in an awful lot of ways and certainly all of his UNSC etc. efforts stymied. Hopefully he’s gamed all that out and is just waiting for the right moment, and hopefully there’s a lot going on behind the scenes. And yes to Nana and so very many, many others (my great-great-grandfather among them). But despite their honor, smarts, savvy and good sense, you’ll notice that they all still lost. And here it is happening yet again.
A big development and provoication today…it appears that the Ukies have blown up the pipeline.
Great allies they are for Europe, cutting off their fuel.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/ukraine-russia-near-serious-conflict-following-gas-transit-pipeline-explosion