The latest EU decision against Russia is amazing it it’s self-evident stupidity. The EU has adopted sanctions which will only be put into effect if the ceasefire does not hold.
First, the obvious assumption here is that should the ceasefire not hold, it would clearly by Russia’s fault. No, not the Novorussian’s fault, but Russia’s.
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Second, apparently, the possibility that the Ukrainians might break the ceasefire was not even considered or, if it was, then it was dismissed.
Third, considering that the Ukies have literally been *begging* the West for anti-Russian sanctions, the EU has just given them a fantastic motive to break the ceasefire.
Fourth, the EU apparently believes that Russia is afraid of EU sanctions even though all the signs, from senior Kremlin officials to opinion polls, show that neither the Russian rulers nor the Russian people are concerned about EU sanctions. In fact, the only people really concerned about these sanctions are Putin’s main opponents: the pro-Western, pro-EU liberal westernizing elites.
Three key documents outline the “wisdom” of the Eurobureaucrats on the issue of anti-Russian sanctions:
The “Statement by the President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy on further EU restrictive measures against Russia“
The “Joint letter by the President of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, and the President of the European Commission, José Manuel Barroso, on restrictive measures against Russia“
The “Conclusions of the Special meeting of the European Council (30 August 2014)“.
Reading these documents it becomes clear that the EU officials are either completely out of touch with reality or completely dishonest. For example, they speak of the “aggression by Russian armed forces on Ukrainian soil” even though they offer no evidence whatsoever about this “invisible invasion” which, by the way, is even denied by the Junta in Kiev (in order to secure yet another IMF loan).
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This is all disgusting, amusing, pathetic, or alarming – depending on your perspective. What it is most definitley not is serious.
Frankly, and I will admit that this immature on my part, but I cannot wait to have the EU adopt the next package of sanctions. Why? Because I already delight in the panic in Europe when Russia will slap them right back with a ban on EU carrier flights over Russia or, for example, sanctions against the automobile or aerospace industry. Whatever the Russians come up with, the EU will know that it brought this upon itself and for absolutely no discernible reason at all.
Yet again, I can only wholeheartedly agree with Mrs Nuland’s sentiments towards the EU.
The Saker
Reading these documents it becomes clear that the EU officials are either completely out of touch with reality or completely dishonest.
I vote dishonest.
The EU is a business model and it follows the dead uncle milton friedmans economics model in that no little person should have free health care, free education and above all no chance of advancement. The 1% will tell you serfs when to jump and how high. This will break the EU for sure but in the end only the little people will lose, think Greece. Austerity for all, and this plan is slowly working its way into Amerika. Think global, that is how the .001% think and their foot soldiers the 1% carry out the plan.
This will make you happy. Hello from an American fan.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Prd6ek3O_l8
While Putin calls time out, Pol Pot Shenko reloads. JUDAS!
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/748660
I love the way they throw the citizens of Gaza under the bus. Good-Bye eu
Good news amidst the gloom of Putin’s betrayal
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/748654
Ukraine must stop ongoing abuses and war crimes by pro-Ukrainian volunteer forces
http://www.amnesty.org/fr/node/49192
Ukraine: Abuses and war crimes by the Aidar Volunteer Battalion in the north Luhansk region.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR50/040/2014/en
Ukraine must stop ongoing abuses and war crimes by pro-Ukrainian volunteer forces
http://www.amnesty.org/fr/node/49192
Ukraine: Abuses and war crimes by the Aidar Volunteer Battalion in the north Luhansk region.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR50/040/2014/en
Yes the EU is made up by imbeciles, and surely Russian sanctions will hit them harder, but this is what US wants…to separate Russia from EU. I just read of the joint exercise between Ukraine and Nato on Ukrainian soil: this is when Nato thugs under the pretense of being Ukrainians will attack the militia. Better prepared, best of equipment, well trained soldiers. Putin knows it, and that it is why he continues the charade with Porky; meanwhile Merker wants “to continue to keep open channels” with Putin, and that nothingness of Hollande has postponed the realise of Mistral until October. I do not know the odds, but what if among the militia there could be Custom Union and Chinese volunteers? It is going to be an hell of a month!
And as we speak phosphorus bombs are dropping in Donetsk, see @asluhn. I’m hoping that future gas and oil contracts will be settled in rubles, yuan and gold only.
I’m an American rock musician and I hope I get a chance to play in New Russia someday soon.
revolution and rock & roll
Very interesting information, altought I must say if I should have any complaints it is that I find the view on this blog to be a bit too optimistic about Russia, Putin and Novorussia.
The general view on Putin seems to be, he’s always right and brilliant, and when it appears things are not going his way, they are in fact because he as a “secret plan” and he is actually winning even thought it appears he is losing, because he is so brilliant that nobody can know what he is really planning.
There also appears to be a tendacy to, in my view, overstate the capacity of Russia. These sanctions are really damaging Russias economy, and these next round that target oil and gas will really do damage.. And Russia is much less capable of absorbing economic damage then EU and USA.. I mean, just Italy has a larger GDP then all of Russia, and Italy is not even a medium-size country in EU.
And what is worse is that Russia wants to become closer with the European countries, but these sanctions USA are using are really splitting the economies of WEurope and Russia apart.
And that is something Russia does not want, partly because economic profit ofc, but also because the western European countries are powerful and dangerous, and Russia wants to make them as depend on Russia as possible.
And I think Putin and Russia really is losing the propaganda war again, just like with Georgia.. Almost every moronic westerner now thinks Russia is a bully invading Ukraine… It makes me want to cry that people are so horrible, horrible dumb, that they believe to the same MSM lies again and again.. But it is true, support for Russia in the west is rapidly decreasing.
The propaganda : “Large aggressiv USSR, TZARist Russia invades, brave little defenceless democracy tries to defend itself from the Russian armed forces.” Really works very well, mostly due to previously existed anti-sovjet propaganda probably.
If the new EU sanctions against Russia are supposed to start after the latest truce is broken, well, shouldn’t they already be in effect?
Украинские военные нарушили перемирие уже через 15 минут (The Ukrainian military has violated the truce already after 15 minutes)
http://lifenews.ru/news/139921 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/auto-ru-en.ru/lifenews.ru/news/139921
“Defense Minister DND Vladimir Kononov said that troops of the Kiev ignored the agreement on ceasefire.
Defense Minister DND Vladimir Kononov said that the agreement with Kiev ceasefire can be considered fictitious. Already 15 minutes after the agreed time (19:00 Moscow time on September 5), the Ukrainian military shelled the city of Gorlovka.
18:15 they opened the attack on the town of Gorlovka, one of our soldiers got injured. Then at 18:20 was carried out the attack telymanovo… We were ordered not to open fire. To break their pillars would not be easy. That mean we didn’t expect, ” said Kononov…”
So what are Israel’s EU $2 whores waiting for? They got their broken ceasefire pretext. They’ve had it since 15 minutes after the ceasefire was supposed to have gone into effect.
вот так
Who cares if we think that EU’s justifications are absurd? Obviously the EU doesn’t care about keeping the narrative consistent, so really the fool is the one who call them stupid for having an inconsistent narrative.
Yevgeny Fedorov said something smart in an interview when he asked about the the display of stupidity of Psaki, Harf etc. He answered that basically the US deliberately places such people in such positions. The US is exceptional and it thinks that it doesn’t have to explain or justify anything to anyone. More than that, Psaki is actually a very intelligent and successful attempt at trolling, it’s a big fat “f*ck you” from the US to Russia and everyone else who dares to criticize the US. The same applies to the EU, they think they don’t have to justify anything, there is no other way to explain their behaviour. Ergo the fool is the one who is laughing about their “stupidity”. No, the US and EU are NOT acting stupid. They are trolling us.
For example a couple of days ago there was all over world news the story that Putin threatened to take Kiev in two weeks. Two days later, the EU admitted that the quote was taken out of context, but nobody printed this fact. So the EU got to demonize Putin all over the world, it was based on a lie, but nobody will ever find out. So who is laughing now? I sure ain’t.
Is there necessarily an “either/or” regarding the EU leaders being out of touch or dishonest? How ’bout both?
Do the EU leaders really have to be *either* out of touch *or* dishonest? I think they’re both, and the one feeds on the other. It sure looks like a bunch of chronic liars who not only never much cared about the truth but have ignored it for so long they’ve forgotten it even exists — and as a result they’ve got no way to even gauge how big a lie they’re telling. One’s as good as another, right? Especially if the only thing that ever matters is how well it seems to be working when they happen to think about it. And since they’re generally fairly well insulated from, you know, anyone “Not. Them.”, where exactly are they going to bump into any other POV, much less the truth about anything? Their delusions are very well maintained indeed. And this little number is proof positive bc the mind really does boggle at how beautifully well, in a sane world at least, they just finished off their careers, their countries, or both.
But Saker, I wouldn’t count on these idjits ever, ever being able to recognize their folly. Can you honestly imagine any one of them having a “come to God” moment in the middle of the night, or looking in the mirror and really facing squarely what they had done — unless they could see direct personal gain from having said so?
The other possibility of course is that they’ve all been threatened, blackmailed or bribed. But this group, these utterly worthless walking wastes of natural resources? It’s likely they’d do it anyhow.
And once again, as usual, it’s the innocents who suffer. These corn-fed steers, otoh, will just retreat to their enclaves and taking up painting or some such thing in their retirement.
Nomen est Omen.
Herman van Rumpoy looks like Rumpelstiltskin and even his name is quite close…
Who the fuck put these morons into power? same, Barroso, as frikkin Maoist who was active in some commie/maoist Organisation in his youth.
VladTheFluffy says:
Dear Saker
I had my doubts about the statements by Baranchik in the previous post “Novorussia – Surrender or victory?” as being wishful thinking. I’d love to be wrong on this but I suspect that I’m not. From the EU announcement, there’s little to support the statement “What does this tell us? The EU, despite all of the threats and cries of the U.S. and their accommodating “tough-talking” poodles, is not ready to go beyond the current level of confrontation with Russia”. I don’t see any evidence from the reports that Hungary or Slovakia, let alone anyone else, intends to veto this lunacy.
I appreciate that Vladimir Putin must go through the diplomatic motions (motions does have the double meaning of excrement, which seems to be highly appropriate when it involves the “west”) of dealing with these invertebrate poodles, if only to even further discredit the “Atlanticists” in Russia. However it seems obvious that they have their tongues so far up the “fourth reich’s” ass that dealing with them as rational human beings with a free will and an intention to operate in the interests of their citizenry is completely futile.
Clearly they will agree to everything the “fr” tells them to do. I’m sure they will sign the TTIP lock, stock and barrel, without ever revealing the full horror in store from it to said citizenry. In the long run that may be the best thing, once the provisions in that piece of banditry takes effect there will be a revolution in the EU. Perhaps that is the only way to clear out this particular set of Augean stables.
The only absurd logic is from those who thought that the EU will not escalate against Russia.
It’s enough to listen for a minute to senior european politicians to understand that they are very angry at current russian behaviour.
They want to live in an order, although a US imposed one, and not in a place, where “the rule of the jungle rules”, as German president recently said.
Plus, this is not the old Europe from before 10 years. There are much more russophobes in Europe nowadays. Many people see Russia as a bunch of barbarians, wanting to turn the political clock back to the 19th century. Putting Donald Tusk as European Council president was a clear message as well.
So it was very clear to me that the EU will impose new sanctions and also do it a clever way so that Russia gets the blame.
Nice ceasefire you insisted on there Vlad. JUDAS!
http://novorossia.today/main-news/current-events-report-from-the-dpr-minis.html
Hi Saker,
“Second, apparently, the possibility that the Ukrainians might break the ceasefire was not even considered or, if it was, then it was dismissed.”
I’m pretty sure that was precisely the point. Like the constant pattern we have seen from the US/EU/Anglo-Zionists is do the most heinous act and then act as if it was Russia that did it. The Israelis call it Shoot and Cry.
It is also likely that they want to encourage the Ukies to keep on fighting despite the most recent drubbing at the hands of the Novo-Russian resistance and are promising to “reward” them with more Anti-Russia sanctions.
Yes, they are evil and their wickedness is surpassed only by their spinelessness. But I don’t think they are stupid, though at times they seem to act as if the rest of us are.
News from the EU junta:
Here Is Why Europe Just Launched The “Nuclear Option” Against Russia
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-08/here-why-europe-just-launched-nuclear-option-against-russia
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/144670.pdf
This must be so confusing to the MSM target audience – ie all of us! EU imposes repeated rounds of sanctions on Russia for its ‘aggression’ in Ukraine.
Now EU imposes sanctions on Russia for brokering a ceasefire Ukraine!
Ugh?
For every action there is a reaction – in this case more and more people will come to resist being manipulated by EU/US/NATO and the MSM.
The end of the EU will be when France comes out of the ether.
France will eventually get a leader to bring them to their senses, leave NATO again and join the human race and Eurasia.
France is the one to watch, not Germany. If the German industrialists can’t overthrow their present government for their own good, they will remain a colony for another fifty years.
And if, during this next year, the EU doesn’t break apart, it will never collapse.
The US FED saved their central banks secretly and that apparently gave the Hegemon complete control over all of them. They are all slaved to Washington.
‘Mr’ NuddlemanRobert Kagan seems to think the US isn’t sufficiently destructive:
Robert Kagan: America’s Dangerous Aversion to Conflict
The U.S. increasingly yearns to escape the harsh realities of war, but as recent events make clear, raw force remains a key element in international politics
http://online.wsj.com/articles/robert-kagan-why-the-u-s-wants-to-avoid-conflict-1409942201
The Tribe – forever stirring the pot.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com
A lot of the violence could be reduced with one bullet…right between Kolomoisky’s eyes
Breaking:
VIDEO EVIDENCE #Ukraine army fires air burst white phosphorous shells on #Donetsk tonight: link to youtu.be via @YouTube #cdnpoli
VIDEO TODAY: #Ukraine army attack s NAF positions near #Donetsk in #ceasefire violation #cdnpoli link to youtu.be via @YouTube
SIT REP: Afew hours ago elements of the #Ukraine army tried to fight their way out of #Donetsk airport,but were stopped #cdnpoli #ceasefire
Kristina Jovanovski @kjovano · 1 h
Heard something earlier in #Mariupol too, like loud explosions but not sure. Later heard maybe 5 shots or explosions but again not sure
Suicide out of fear of death, it’s called.
The most fun part will be when Euros start screaming “How could you do this to us???”, following a Russian retaliation.
With the exception of Iraq war, I don’t remember a more predictable disaster.
One would have thought that the EU cobble-heads had learned a thing or two from Crimea’s soft annexation; aka don’t f*** with Russia and/or Putin.
We’re talking about a country here, that single-handily annihilated both Napoleon and Hitler’s armies. That’s the raw, physical part. Now, which brilliant Brussels bureaucrat came up with the idea that this time sanctions will bring Russia to its knees?
It’s like watching a little boy poke a grumpy lama with a big stick. We all know what’s gonna happen next and it’s gonna be really ugly.
I also am convinced that many people [not referring to the readers of this blog] simply do not grasp the grandiosity of Russia’s president, Mr. Putin.
Many decades later, this historical epoch will be viewed as and written about [in Chinese history books] as a once in a lifetime watershed moment.
I, for one, am elated and honored to be able to witness all this unfold.
I never ever [and that’s until only a few months ago] imagined someone would be strong enough and have to moral fiber, strength and power to stand up against the falsehoods projected onto this world by a misguided western society.
Mr. Putin, sir, you may not be lauded by your western partners, but I hope you [somehow] know, many common people [like myself] admire you in your uphill battle against the invisible forces of greed and world domination.
History will judge you for who you really are and that will be a joyous day.
Connecting the dots is usually a pretty dangerous game for adults unless the dots are so close together you don’t need to. And these particular dots aren’t, but let me just throw this out there: there’s a pretty good opinion piece at ITAR-TASS,
http://en.itar-tass.com/opinions/1895
with various Russian experts offering their analyses of how the EC could so spectacularly trample upon their own body parts. And they all of course agreed that this was due in large part to American pressure, differing primarily on the details. But the last sentence, by Anatoly Adamishin, Honorary President of the Association of Euro-Atlantic Cooperation and former First Deputy Foreign Minister, was really quite interesting:
“EU countries feel quite cozy under the US security umbrella as they economize on defense spending and that is why they let Washington lead themselves by the nose and they have to toughen the sanctions against Russia.”
Could it be that they’ve got a real Hobson’s Choice between dancing to our music as they go slowly down the drain or sink more quickly and violently via ISIS in it’s latest iteration? Is what we’re doing now really no more than a protection racket? “Nice little country you’ve got there; pity if something happened to it…”
Sanctions will hurt Russia, the difference is that Russia, having been raped and pillaged 2 maybe even 3 times this past century is coming from a historical low, socially, culturally, and economically. The pain threshold therefore of the Russian people is extraordinary, thus their will to persevere will easily overcome the slight pain that might be caused by the reduction of European cooperation. Putin has galvanized a population that was politically desensitized, and has taken on the role of leader of the people – how he came into this position under the conditions which he did can probably only be ascribed to destiny.
The Talmudic black magicians can only be thwarted by a power stronger then they, and that power lies only with the Christ. Russia is the last bastion of Christian Orthodoxy with enough military power to deflect aggression from the Black Hand and its powers. In this struggle I also feel for the now suffering Greek people, whose strong Orthodoxy is under siege at the hands of the financiers by means of stealth economic genocide. If not by artillery, than by economic fraud, it matters not, the result is the same – servitude.
Germany is a conquered nation, with a cultural soul that is so strong that even under the complete yoke of the United States and the Talmudic law establishment (see Ernst Zundel) there is an undercurrent of rational thinking that lives in the minds of many of the people. The great fear is a joining of the German and Russian cultures under a truly Christian worldview, based on justice and moral logic.
There is a reason there are so many troops in Germany, there is a reason why thought-crime is a fact in Germany, why kids are taught that they are the inheritors of evil. The pressure on Germany is immense, because Germany carries what seems to be a spiritual capacity as a natural buffer against total ‘gentile’ subjugation. If Russia, a nation that is rising from the ashes into a new world power, and whose outlook seems more or less cooperative and honest, can align with Germany it will create a fundamental issue for those whose world governance and global debt as money structure depends on an all or nothing model.
@ Mr. Saker,
Two weeks ago Le Figaro’s editor nailed it as dishonest behavior from the Westerners’ side
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@ http://www.Leap2020.eu Press Clippings
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Le Figaro, [are] concerned about the same issues regarding Europe`s responsibilities in the Ukrainian crisis, with both relying on the same arguments: “the American obsession to make NATO advance toward Russia’s borders “, ” the politics of Russia`s demonization”,” Russia`s surrounding”… and mostly this comment: “The EU, asking Ukraine to choose between Europe and Russia through its exclusive association agreement, and the United States, wishing at all costs to extend NATO, have both chosen the voice of the catastrophic scenario. The whole question is whether this is a mistake or dishonest behaviour from the Westerners` side. “– Le Figaro, August 13, 2014 …
Le Figaro (French)
and
Translated from German: SüdDeutsche Zeitung
France’s energy group against sanctions on Russia:
The head of French energy company Total, Christophe de Margerie, has warned in view of the escalation of the Ukraine crisis from further sanctions against Russia: “sanctions are a mistake,” de Margerie said. “
We must not let us believe that Russia is an enemy – even though our energy supply largely depends on this neighbor,” said the head of France’s largest industrial group.
“If the Americans want to stir up historical reasons or for domestic political reasons the conflict, that is their decision. We Europeans must solve this crisis differently, without black and white painting.” [.]
Some sane voices see USEU as the pied piper
Steven Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies at New York University and Princeton University warns:
: Ukraine Joining NATO would Provoke Nuclear War AND
West Has Agreed to Cover Up Details About Shoot Down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17
A snippet of an interview:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/09/top-russia-expert-ukraine-joins-nato-will-cause-nuclear-war.html
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Imho, the USEU will be very lucky if the response on these new sanction is only a ban autos and EU flights over Russia,.
There is that route to supply/exit Afghanistan.
btw, in my comment in the Thread – “Novorussia – surrender or defeat?” @ 08 September 20:52 I had this FT.com link, it’s worth a re-post:
FT.com (registration/subscription required)
Russia to choke off gas re-exports to Ukraine
Supply threat comes as EU agrees further sanctions on energy companies
By Christian Oliver in Brussels and Courtney Weaver in Moscow
Moscow is seeking to prevent its European customers re-exporting Russian gas to Ukraine, threatening to choke off a crucial lifeline for Kiev and deepen the energy crunch it faces this winter.
The threats come as EU ambassadors finally approved new sanctions against Russia on Monday night that are expected to target the country’s largest state-owned energy companies. But following concerns raised by new Finnish prime minister Alex Stubb, the sanctions will not become official for a “few days” giving Brussels time to assess whether last week’s ceasefire can take hold.
[.] The EU sanctions are against three state-controlled Russian energy companies – Rosneft, Gazpromneft and Transneft – that will sharply limit their access to western financial markets. Russia severed gas exports to Ukraine in June in a dispute over prices and the country faces severe energy shortages this winter if the EU cannot broker a supply deal between Moscow and Kiev.[.] . . . . . .
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AM
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/?skip=11
Absolute must read. Strelkov was forced to resign out of petty jealousies. Without his resignation, no military surplus store. JUDAS!
Amazing how well the NAF has done with enemies among “friends”
Strelkov is a saint in my book. If they had supported him from day one, Strelkov would be drinking tea in Kiev and Obama could go back to the golf course
“A swift replacement of the leadership of the DPR and the LPR with more controllable people followed. They were replaced exactly with the focus on the negotiations with the junta. The main mechanism of the replacement was the humanitarian aid. The same Strelkov was given a clear condition: either you will go or your military won’t get the aid. It is quite clear what Strelkov chose. The private contractors were openly told not to send cargo to Strelkov a few days before his resignation. Because the decision to open the “red valve of the military surplus store” to the full was already made back then, the curators of the Ukrainian direction were absolutely not interested in Strelkov taking the credit for this. By this time he already managed to successfully defend Slavyansk for 3 months and then to defend the Donetsk agglomeration for more than a month. Therefore, right before the start of the counter-offensive, following Bolotov (in that case there were both political and a number of non-political reasons), Strelkov was forced to resign. Literally within a few days, the hot stream of water from the “red valve of the military surplus store” started to digest the junta units in rapidly emerging cauldrons. This led to the overall apocalyptic picture of burned bodies, burned tanks, and other materiel. The junta losses increased by the factor of several tens of times in a few days and the front line started to attain increasingly dangerous shape.”
To the Saker: re “EU logic & Novorussia – Surrender or victory?”
Let us remind ourselves of one really important big picture issue. Neither Russia nor China will be prepared to confront the US militarily until sometime between 2017 and 2022.
So yes, sanctions make a difference. While yes they hurt Europe, they hurt Russia as it tries to move toward effective parity with the US militarily. All Russian deals in Ukraine, ME, N. Africa, India, China, Iran, etc are made in light of that big picture.
In Syria (in part using the element of surprise) Russia was able to make the US stand down their attack with the words “an attack on Damascus is an attack on Moscow”. The US will not always stand down.
So let us admit, sanctions will hurt. Let us also admit that Novorussian “control” of any given area is a tad misleading with the reality on the ground being more like Swiss cheese… In saying this I in no way impugn the tremendous efforts and tactics of the Novorussian fighters. However, this ceasefire has put a knife to their larger strategy of gaining an area/base of control and solidifying their front lines… and it happened just when the Novorussian fighters were on the verge of success in doing just that – forming an area control.
So either Putin is fearful of the sanctions you belittle, or he does not want the Novorussian fighters to gain an area of control.
In a preceeding post ‘Novorussia – Surrender or victory?’ Putin is said to triumphed against the EU threat of sanctions while facing the larger threat of an additional three issues:
I quote “a) a threat of deployment of a European missile defense system against Russia; b) establishing five new NATO bases in Poland, Romania and the Baltic States; c) breaching the terms of the Founding Act “Russia – NATO”), the summit only concluded with an official statement, which reflects the opinion of the North Atlantic Alliance on the current events on the territory of the disintegrating Ukraine.”
Yet the sanctions have been passed.
and as to the three points a) radar stations are in place and operational and Russia is no longer allowed observer status. b) The bases are being constructed. c) All forms of Russia – Nato cooperation are over which makes that “Founding Act” null and void. Let us not hide the fact that these things hurt Russia and Russians.
As many who were derided here warned; under the cease-fire Junta forces have 1) dug in 2) reinforced strategic points, 3)occupied new areas.
For Novorussian fighters, this is a big and growing problem. For Putin this is not a problem. It fits his big picture which is a federal Ukraine. I wonder if he heard of the ban on using Russian in Slavyansk the same day the “cease-fire” was announced?
The “logic of the EU” is having an impact. Yes Russia continues toward its’ goals, but albeit considerably slower. And what of Novorussia? In the writings of Mao on revolutionary warfare there are some key lines (I paraphrase) about how such prolonged fighting is the crucible in which the principles and ideas of the revolution may/must be taught. For Mao without the embrace of the common man, the revolution would fail. It seems to me that many of the common people are speaking out against the rule of the oligarchs and other mafia types. Yet the deals/dealers embodied by the current cease-fire would short-circuit the social transformation and only result in a greater bitterness and cynicism against Russia itself.
This is what Putin should fear most of all from this cease-fire.
The delay in the implementation of EU sanctions,is just about this tuesday,when the big MH 17 show will appear on all MSM(preliminary report).Suddenly 16 Malaysian ‘experts’ arrived yesterday on the crash site(?? strange just during the cease fire..as it was scheduled on purpose for that).
Some MSM outlets let know this monday,that the Malaysian experts will confirm the narrative(the pro russians did it).Expect the worse today,it will be 24/24 live from Amsterdam…Hitler Putin is responsible ..blablalbla.
Of course the final report will be available in the summer of 2015.
Very strange they know in advance when they will have finished their job?
Why do we need a preliminary one though?
I hope RF military has something in store to counter this BS?
I just can’t understand why Russia has to go on being at the receiving end. If a country cannot stand up for its dignity and fight for its rights, it is lost. The only way to stop these pathetic EU idiots is for Russia to announce that henceforth it will be tit for tat. Some say this is an immature way to react. But if you look at the history of world’s powerful countries, that is how the game has always been played. To those who endlessly praise Putin’s chess grandmaster’s approach, think back to how President Kennedy handled the Cuban missile crisis: strong, firm, straightforward, grounded in simple logic of world peace, and quick. No dithering. If he had been wishy washy, the world might have ended a long time back. Not only is Russia’s weak handling of military encirclement and economic warfare inept, it is almost guaranteed to bring Russia to its knees and imperil world peace and human survival. I know I am out of line with this blog’s policy, but I feel truly saddened by this inept handling.
Saker, My opinion does not mean much in the scheme of things, But I with to thank you for your efforts in getting out the truth. You have been on the spot and a welcome breath of fresh air with the truth. The US MSM propaganda and lies are so obvious that it is sickening. Please continue your efforts.
Thank you from Zionist occupied USA, my hope and prayers are with my brothers in Ukraine. They want what I and everyone wishes, to be let alone and to live their lives in peace.
My hopes and prayers to you and yours and too my Ukrainian brothers also.
Anonymous said… Not worth reading Anonymous no matter what unless you sign it OR How hard is it to get a handle to post? Not like you are putting your real name to it. But it does mitigate the hit and run on posters you dont like.
Germany is a laugh! Its the Germans who want to destroy Russia. If you know anything of the US, they always look at making a profit. Killing and destroying is not profitable. Thinking you are free but working like a slave is far more profitable. Of course destroying and rebuilding is also part of destructive capitalism. And it is extremely profitable
Nothing Putin does will matter. Even giving free reign will only bring regime change in Russia. If Russia did not have such a strong nuclear force it would already be at hot war instead of a cold one which is just as devastating.
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If you look around the world today, there are many situations big enough to “point at.” What do I mean by “point at?” Think about this, the U.S. and the dollar system is clearly financially upside down and not viable any longer. How would it “look” if all of a sudden one Monday morning the banks and markets did just not open because a panic started? When I say “look,” I am talking about the “perception” to the common man. This cannot be allowed to happen, there absolutely MUST be “something” to point at as the reason or the cause.
Let me finish this by saying this, there must be “something” to feed to the masses for public consumption. There must be something somewhere to place the blame on. In no way shape or form can a financial collapse “just happen” on its own because then the bus drivers will be questioned and executed. There must be something to point at so the phrase “our policies were working and would have worked only if such and such had not happened” can be used. You can absolutely see the West trying to get a war started for whatever available reason while the East is content to wait it all out and let Mother Nature take her course. Whatever happens, the populace must be fooled into believing the outcome was the result of “best efforts” and not malice. Few will really understand.
Then came Friday, the U.S. proposed further sanctions and British Prime Minister Cameron proposed locking Russia out of the SWIFT system. Do you see a pattern here? Russia moves step by step further from the dollar which is followed by the West turning the screws tighter to start a live war. We have had several reports of “Russia invading” or “Russian tanks destroyed” and even an airliner actually shot down in an effort to spark war but Mr. Putin refuses so far to take the bait.
http://blog.milesfranklin.com/something-to-point-at
‘Reading these documents it becomes clear that the EU officials are either completely out of touch with reality or completely dishonest;’
well really! its a no brainer….they are dishonest, crooked and should not be in power at all…the europeans should be ashamed if they voted them into power..but did they? officials after usually appointed by regimes
Hasn’t Medvedev already mentioned what Russia will sanction next
1. Automobiles
2. Alcohol
3. Tobacco products
The EU flight bans is a nice touch
Let Obomber sneak out of Afghanistan via Pakistan. That ought to be a nice little cauldron in and of itself
We see how well Ukraine’s economy is doing. And now we can watch the EU go to the poorhouse.
Russia is going to thrive economically despite the West’s sanctions. These sanctions hurt nothing important. Russia has options unlike normal historic global sanctions, as we saw in Iran and DPRK.
The US is master of a universe of fools.
With Obama going all in for a long war against ISIS, and a coming challenge in Syria to Assad and Russia in order to run bombing and drone attacks inside Syria, we will see the first true showdown of the old Hegemon and the new multipolor powers.
Because China will join to stop the US if it cannot get Assad’s permission, things will soon be very clear that the facts of life have changed.
China will want to stop the US because it will set a precedent when the US throws its weight around the South China Sea.
There are big moments in the next two months, all flavored by the US Senate elections and the war against ISIS. This is Obama’s No Boots War.
Imagine the concept: no US soldiers fighting a US war. No real natural allies that should be there, Iran, Russia, China, all who have huge stakes in Iraq and Syria.
The boots are Arab boots. So it is a war of track shoes and sandals on the ground. Absolutely incredible military planning.
Even the war against the Taliban had the Northern Alliance tribesmen on the ground while the CIA called in the Air Force bombers.
The only Arab army that has shown it has fight in its belly is Syria.
This war against ISIS will sell a lot of equipment and kill a lot of people. NATO tried this in Mali recently. A big air war. Very few boots from NATO. How’d that work out? Chaos in Libya, Nigeria, Algeria and South Sudan. The more war, the more chaos is encouraged in nearby nations. Ebola isn’t the only epidemic inflicting the continent.
Obama is due to visit China in November. That should be very interesting. He’s encouraged the re-militarization of Japan, encouraged hatred and imperialism in the Pacific, and then goes to discuss what?
Maybe hoops with Yao Ming?
Xi Jinping will school him in the new reality. China is not shy or reticent to lecture misbehaving actors.
Anon (01.17)
Russians already said many times that sanctions won’t go unanswered.
They don’t do it in a bombastic manner, but they are not silent either. They don’t respond within seconds or minutes, but neither it’s taking them to act forever. They are calm and deliberative people.
“Assymetric response” is the way they go about it.
@ Alien Tech,
Q: Let me finish this by saying this, there must be “something” to feed to the masses for public consumption.
R: Well, at least those beheaded journalists took the boots off of the Apartheid State’s war crimes neck. That’s for sure. Those green screens do come in handy.
@ Alien Tech,
Q: Let me finish this by saying this, there must be “something” to feed to the masses for public consumption.
R: Well, at least those beheaded journalists took the boots off of the Apartheid State’s war crimes neck. That’s for sure. Those green screens do come in handy.
re: anon on Italy
Russia has the fourth-largest GDP in Europe, if you use the standard charts. Now, to me, standard charts include financial scams like derivatives as a plus, when they should really be a minus. And the West is full of scams. So I would argue that Moscow is a more impressive place than Paris nowadays.
As for Russia losing the media war, well, perhaps that could never be won. The West is dictatorial with a smiley face, and the ownership of major media is in very few hands.
My view is that the problem is, and perhaps always will be, that Russia’s elites are pro-West. This is foolish if they want to take positions that are harmful to major power groups within the West, such as the Zionist crowd or simply the folks who support an American military control of Western Europe.
Mikhail Khazin, a well-known political commentator, argues that the policies of Putin and most of the elite have reached a dead-end. What they wanted was to sit at the table with Western elites as an equal. To the controllers of the West, these Russians are simply lucky opportunists who managed to take control from the correct ownership of flunkies for the Rothschilds, such as Khodorkovsky or even Kasparov.
Yes, the EU officials are completely out of touch with reality and completely dishonest.
That is the point of view of the German Chancellor (according to tagesschau.de): “German Chancellor Angela Merkel at a meeting of the CDU/CSU group in the Bundestag reiterated their position that the sanctions despite the agreement to the truce are needed. Russia has already repeatedly deceived the West, she said to the grounds. Still, Russian fighters and Russian military equipment would be in the Eastern Ukraine. Merkel also pointed to current reports, according to which Russia has long planned a destabilization of the Ukraine and Russia’s leaders to follow a long-based strategy. That is why the EU must act now.”
I have no idea what she means with the long-based strategy. The sanctions will be put into effect at the latest if Kiev breaks the truce. I’m looking forward to the Russian counter sanctions. Perhaps a backlash comes, which no one expects, and that hopefully really hurts.
In German television there was a discussion yesterday with politicians and journalists titled “Vladimir Putin – the most dangerous man in Europe?” I saw just the last few minutes, so I can’t tell whether he is or not. It then went to the sanctions of the EU and its effects on Germany. They apparently feared only a stop of gas deliveries, for which we have no realistic alternative. And they repeatedly stressed the sanctions and counter sanctions harm Russia a lot more than us. Nevertheless, each was given an “Apple against Putin” as a sign of solidarity at the end of the program.
Cynics would argue that the EU couldn’t have been set up and allowed to gain its current power if it were really anti-US on anything important. Now, as a sales pitch for the rubes, sure, it can talk about a “European voice” or some such. But the real voices are the banksters and some industrialists. Let’s hope that the banksters and industrialists don’t try what they did in the 1930’s in their efforts in Eastern Europe.
Daniel Rich, ZB thinks he destroyed the USSR by creating Al Queda. Officially the US has never supported terrorism no matter the proof which is quite overwhelming. Officially the US dropped support for mild mannered soft spoken freedom fighters in Afghanistan but they still kept control over it in some fashion. The support at the heights were enormous, including most of the US reps in congress. ZB was only the mastermind and he flatly said he sent in the terrorists so the USSR would send troops to protect its protectorate. Did anyone see where Bin Laden said he had nothing to do with 911 or some of the other attacks?
So green screens do come in handy.. Soon when its needed we will even see a guy who died a decade ago come to life and get dead again. And to believe all the forces involved in it came to an end together.. From an RPG off all things that exploded inside the copter, 10 feet from the ground..
People were beginning to wonder about the IS, especially with the Saudi’s first yelling about supporting them and then yelling about destroying them. As Pepe Escobar said, it is beyond comprehension that the US would fail to notice a 2-3 mile long convoy of vehicles traveling from Syria to Iraq and not tell anyone or take any action unless it was a convoy they had sent. And the US cant find any IS because they blend into the crowd.. How about looking for Toyotas painted yellow with a black flag on the hood? with the thousands of vehicles of US military origin now in the hands of the IS they dont know where the IS is.. The US knows when I pass wind because they can listen to me using the mic on my phone or computer but they cant find M1 tanks rummaging in the desert..
At least Barroso & Van Rompuy are on the way out. They obviously couldn’t care a whit about any of this stuff.
The only problem is – Tusk is on the way in – and he’ll likely be worse than anyone!
And what will Juncker & Stoltenberg do? Will they bring any maturity to the whole issue? Time will tell.
Go Scotland.
I tend to think all these insane politicking by the EU is playing right into the hands of Alex Salmond and the Independence movement in Scotland.
They are showing themselves up for the idiots they are.
Cameron & Co. blathering about “terrorist threats” to Scotland if they vote for Independence is patently ridiculous – they would in fact be much less likely to be the victims of terrorists as an Independent country.
Look at the smaller countries around Europe – they are infinitely safer and less of a target for the likes of ISIS – precisely because they don’t go around telling everyone how great they are and trying to project their “power” into places it isn’t welcome!
Part 1
While no one knows (the people at least) what is going to happen.There are a few points I think can be made.First, as some have said,the sanctions really are hurting Russia.And I don’t think we should pretend they aren’t.But I always knew they would,they are meant to.The choice Russia must make, is whether they deal with the pain.Overcome the sanctions,and are forever free from that again.Or do they cave in and desert Novorossii and the Russian supporters in Ukraine.Lose a 1000 years of Rus brotherhood.And see a fascist Russophobic state.Complete with NATO bases on her borders.I don’t know which they will choose.I would never,ever,choose the latter.But I’m not in Putin’s government.No matter what I had to do to prevent that I’d do it.
Some have said Russia is losing the propaganda war in the West.But did we really ever think we’d win it.The best we can do,and are doing.Is to rally the intelligent,and open minded to look at the truth.But as long as the NATO powers are successful.they will always win with the MSM. Winning there or not, shouldn’t affect what needs to be done to protect Russia’s security.And along with that,the ideal of a multi-polar free world.
Many,including me,hated the idea of this cease-fire.I think it just gives Kiev a second-wind to continue the war,hoping to crush our side.Some ask why would Zakharchenko agree to it.While we don’t know.At his first press conference during the offensive.I think the answer was revealed.Talking about Novorossii and its peoples resistance he mentioned WW2 and the Russian struggle against nazism.But in talking about it, he talks of “we”.Most everyone in Southeast Ukraine realizes that they too are “Russian”,Ukrainian-Russian true,but Russian.They don’t buy the myth of West Ukraine,that Ukrainians are separate and a pure people of their own.So I believe he was told that for the good of Russians the ceasefire needed to be signed.And so he signed it.Now I think Russia was wrong there.It doesn’t seem to have helped Russia at all.And it has outraged a lot of Russia’s supporters,inside and out of Novorossii.As well as letting Poroshenko recover and grow stronger.
I hope once the ceasefire is broken permanently.And the fighting starts,Novorossii can heal the wounds among themselves.And that Russia will continue to help them.Since, in reality,they are Russia’s only supporters in Ukraine.And losing them dooms Russia to option 2 or a real major war.
Part 2.
Some say,”Ukrainians hate Russia,so we’ve lost them forever”.I don’t believe that.First if we win,the to be formed Novorossii is close to half the territory anyway.And they will love Russia. Transcarpathia,will be an autonomous region,and they like Russia already as well.That only dislike would come from the North-Center and west of the former Ukraine.At the worse,we’d lose them.But I don’t think it has to be that way.The dislike of Russia in the North-Center area “Malorus” is recent and not deeply grounded.Remember 54% of Kiev is Russian speaking.It was years of western propaganda that first put nails in the coffin of pro-Russian feeling.Followed after the coup by 7 months of total 24-7 Russophobia.That is the cause of the anti-Russian feeling there.Once the junta is defeated or overthrown that media needs to be removed.And the truth be shown again.After exposing the crimes of the US/EU and junta in Ukraine, for everyone to see.The people will turn back to their brotherhood of Rus again.Now the West Ukraine is another matter.True the media there will have to be reformed as well.But there their nazism runs deep.And it will have to be uprooted vigorously.They’ll have to be given autonomy as well.Overtime,they will learn the truth and reject nazism themselves.
I remember hearing an interview with the women in Mariupol a few days ago.And she said “I don’t care if we are Ukraine or Russia”.She just wanted peace and security.In countries like Ukraine,with no real ethnic identity,that is not uncommon.And it argues for Novorossii being successful, if our side can win and bring that peace and security.Some have said people don’t support Novorossii.They may be right about the name,right now.Because its newly brought back up.But they do feel separate from a “Ukraine”.Just looking at language maps its clear the divide in Ukraine.The South and East are vastly Russian speaking.And the West and North-Center vastly speak various “Ukrainian” dialects.The South and East vote overwhelmingly for pro-Russian candidates and the opposite in the West and North-Center.During maidan 79% of its supporters where from the West and North-Center with only 21% from the South and East.And after the coup US funded polls found over 80% of the South and East didn’t accept the junta as the legal government.And that was before the so-called ATO started murderering people in the East and before the Odessa massacre in the South.I suspect the rejection of the junta is even heavier after those crimes.We have seen pro-Ukrainian media interviews where soldiers said 80% of the people supported the “terrorists”.So I think we can safely say from these facts that the people of the South and East would accept Novorossii if we win.
Hello Saker
Karine Bechet-Golovko has a nice blog that gives an insight in Russian politics, as it’s name (russiepolitics) implies.
The last piece is very interresting, specialy at the end, sorry it’s french and I won’t have time to translate it. For her, Putin surprised everybody with Crimea, even inside Russia. This allowed him to take the lead on the “liberals” and the west is trying to help those since then.
“Car le message des sanctions n’est pas de faire arrêter la guerre en Ukraine, mais de remettre le clan libéral russe sur les rails du pouvoir, pour garder l’influence sur les mécanismes interne de prise de décision. Donc, la Russie n’a pas le droit de sortir de la guerre des clans qui l’affaiblie. Chacun doit retrouver sa place, V. Poutine doit gérer les clans et non leur imposer une idée nationale.’
http://russiepolitics.blogspot.ru/2014/09/plan-de-paix-pour-lukraine-qui-renonce.html#more
Have a nice day
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Fourth, the EU apparently believes that Russia is afraid of EU sanctions even though all the signs, from senior Kremlin officials to opinion polls, show that neither the Russian rulers nor the Russian people are concerned about EU sanctions. In fact, the only people really concerned about these sanctions are Putin’s main opponents: the pro-Western, pro-EU liberal westernizing elites.
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Wouldn’t half of his political party be “pro-Western, pro-EU”?
Anonymous 00:18
“Very interesting information, altought I must say if I should have any complaints….matzo, matzo , matzo and gefilte fisch.”
Nice try Schlomo, but you can do much better bang for your Shekel´s…
You just can’t make this stuff up!
Rumpy-Pumpy and his “partner” Barroso are two hapless clowns with a stench of the “Emperors new clothes” and Vaseline around them.
A perfect example of the €Urofag Prada-clad “elite”. They are farting in their own “general direction”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA
Mikhas.
And please stop doubting….
They are not out of touch with the reality and they are not imbeciles.
They are just bitches! Nasty, dirty, cheap bitches!!!
@Jana 09 September, 2014 03:52
Europe, especially Germany but not France, is full of US bases, troops and nukes.
Remember how keen the US was to take Berlin in WW2 and to stop the Russian advance as fast as possible? Not much has changed, Europe is still a US colony although everybody uses milder words for this. The US is running the show and calling the shots behind the scenes ever since 1945.
No, Merkel is under a gag-order by the US and the only way she will ever stand a chance to tell the truth is when the US loses its power. There is only one force in the world that can do this, Russia-China! They don’t even have to drive their tanks anywhere, just full force taking down the Petrodollar will stop the US from financing their wars everywhere.
Oh and btw, watch out for Britain: Just like they have sabotaged the EU for decades now as instructed by the US they will try to play nice with China, with the only reason to isolate Russia…since China is nothing without Russia either.
Barbarian horde
NATO/EU Anglo Zionist wish to conquer the world and remake it. Knowing the fate that awaits you,will you fight back?
If your answer is no,for whatever reason. Then you are already defeated and have no say in the forming of future. Make room for those who wish to oppose the Horde.
If your answer is yes. Then know that the fight ahead is long and hard.
Hardship and setbacks are to be expected. To those who argue that NATO/EU Anglo Zionists are winning and Novorussia/Russia/Rest of the world is loosing i have a question.
Will you fight back?
What wars are bloodless? NATO wars. Killing those that cannot defend themself.
What wars are without hardship? Those against the weaker opponent.
Are those fights worthy?
No! Obligation of the strong is to defend the weak.
What wars are without setbacks? Those that same people sit on both sides of the front.
And the most important one. Who does not defend his closest kin from destruction?
Answer these question for yourself and write the answers down. You may be surprised with your own answers,or not.
@123abc
Yes, one often gets the impression that it’s not stupidity but just deliberate trolling. When they get together they joke about their past trolling stunts, as here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tFKa2_YBQ
War is no longer necessary… In just a few months, the whole economy of Ukraine will crash… Just read these statistics…
http://www.sott.net/article/285378-Beyond-basket-case-Statistics-tell-the-tale-of-irreplaceable-losses-for-the-Ukrainian-economy
@les said…
Excellent back to the real issue and big picture argument.
I would like to add something. This war can only be won with the support of the people. So fight against internal destabilising factors will be an important point in fight for that support. One that must not be neglected.
Good foreign policy and bad domestic weakens a country.
Nepotism must go.
Corruption must go.
NGO’s that disrupt stability with whatever they stated objective is,must go.
Oligarchs must go. They must not be allowed to get anywhere near the decision making process.
Judicial system need to be cleaned and set to work. That is the basis for internal stability.
Traitors,fifth columnists,30 silverers deserve the same faith. Deportation to the country of their choice. Not really,only to be processed for breaking the laws. But it would be nice to see their destination choices.
Successfully tackling these problems will be the sure sign of strengthening internally. And then we could all,with less cautious optimism, argue the chances of winning.
Nuke is not an option, it is a MUST!
Till the last standing human on this fucking planet.
So Mote it Be!
Paul II RE:Putin
If you read that article by Lada Ray you would know that Putin is not corrupt. I am sure he has made enough deals to live comfortably but nothing like the poeple who talk about him stealing $400bil and what not. He was the only one who never used to take bribes. And it seems the people who have the most problem with him are the worst crooks and I am sure many of the people he needs to stay in power are crooks. There is no way to control them as we can see them in any country and most of them put their money in the US/UK because those are the 2 countries where you can stash vast amounts of money with no questions asked. #1 is China, #2 India and #3 Russia are the buyers of top end properties in New York.. Now who would be buying multi million $$$ apartments in NY when hey are not living there?
The Chinese at least know of this and they facilitate this to keep inflation due to hot money down in china. So they let it instead move to the US so as not to crash their own housing markets. And we know a lot of rich Russians stash their ill gotten gains in London.
It is this money that the US is targeting.. Since if they cant have access to the money then its no good. So Putin is not personally worried about sanctions but those still in Russia with billions stashed in US/UK are worried they will lose access to this. In fact it looks like you dont have to be a crook to have made the money since I seen this from just people who got lucky.. Move money out of Russia and buy stake in companies in Africa or S.America and then after a few years sell it. And you are supposed to repatriate that money back to Russia but I dont see many doing that and here I think it happens by bribing the Russian banks and they instead move that money to the US.
So those guys will sell their own mothers if they are pressed. All that money they spent so many decades amazing by any which way can get locked.. The US might be telling them that if they take out Putin they dont have to give up anything and still keep the money and properties.. Putin is making it hard for them to siphon off their vast loot by all these western deals. Like turning off SWIFT will cause these crooks to lose access to move money around but if EU wants to pay for gas they would have to pay for it in like Gold or Rubbles or Yuan etc and maybe even use the EU banking system which does not rely on SWIFT but that means the Russian central bank would know who is moving what and where.. Thats the only reason I can think of why they would threaten with something like that which are mostly used by the crooks to move money around without leaving traces that can be found by the nations central bank. The UK would know how much money is in the system.
So honorable people would not have much to fear from sanctions, although we all use the system for many things, its not like all our work will go down the drain like for many of these crooks who have spent all these years secretly moving money to who knows what places. The US is very good at making it easy to move funds out of any country.. They just dont like it if middle class Americans try to stash a little bit somewhere out of their reach. Rich Americans can just use bearer bonds which are un traceable and payable to anyone. Some real interesting scene in that markets.. On why the US makes it so easy to use them but so hard to use any other financial transaction.
Excellent piece which should be read by the Eurocrats. Unlikely. Maybe some will.
But the Saker cannot agree with Mrs. Nuland’s comment unless he believes the E.U. is free to act, i.e. free to define its policy (internal and external). It is not. Its policy is defined by the United States, i.e. the neocons, and enforced through NATO (for foreign matters). Nuland’s undiplomatic reaction expresses her frustration vis-à-vis some Europeans tempted to act independently of the United States!
The US government buys European politicians through well paid conferences in the United States, as Paul Craig Roberts reminded us in one of his latest editorials. How else could Tony Blair accumulate $50 million dollars in such a short time span?
VladTheFluffy says:
Dear Saker
As an addendum to my previous post, a couple of thoughts:
I’ve been disturbed over the last decade or twoat my rising belief that what used to be the common practise of both historians and journalists (based upon the scientific method): to gather all relevant facts; to consider various hypotheses as to what these facts imply (or more properly, what the person considering them infers from those facts); to construct a hypothesis based on the likelihood, believability and reliability of these facts; to test the hypothesis against these facts, discarding it and postulating a new one if it doesn’t explain the known facts; and accepting it as the best approximation to the truth available if it does. Note: not the truth, just a best approximation to it. Now it seems (just my hypothesis mind you) that the modus operandi is to have, find or be given an agenda, to construct one or more narratives from this agenda and then to push this (these) narrative(s) no matter what evidence or counter views is/are presented, ignoring them or dismissing them as irrelevant. Strangely enough, this M.O. is the politicians stock in trade. More disturbingly, the M.O. seems to have become embedded in “western culture”, it’s become rather quaint to tell the truth.
Paul Craig Roberts has written a couple of articles about this recently: http://goo.gl/ZKiAOl , http://goo.gl/lWU5u1 , http://goo.gl/4yLGpr , http://goo.gl/QbW9tb ….
When all things seem incomprehensible, it’s probably time to examine the assumptions, hidden or overt, through which we view the situation. I think we are suffering from the delusion that the EU, and its heads of state are somehow responsible people who are in office to benefit their own citizenry. A recent article: http://goo.gl/txqWgh may be a clue as to why (and this is just repeating what is said on the subject in here http://goo.gl/4zVuWN). So an alternative hypothesis might go like this: the OSS, and later the CIA, promoted and funded the “European Movement” for the benefit of the “fourth reich” from before its inception. It was an “fr” tool, run by the OSS/CIA from the beginning, intent on removing any inconvenient independant action by Europen governments which might interfere with the “fr”s project to achieve pre-eminence in the world, by removing powers from governments and transferring them to unelected federal bodies at the EU level, which they could control better. Political parties and media (I doubt if Mockingbird {http://goo.gl/JpNLe , for those who may not know what it was/is} was confined to continental USA) were subverted by bribery and blackmail in order to ensure that only compliant “leaders” are elected and policies followed. Is this perhaps a better hypothesis for the conduct of the EU’s (poodle) leaders?
VladTheFluffy says:
Dear Saker
Your comments relating to Vladimir Putin were right on the money. I personally have great admiration for him as he is rare among “leaders” nowadays, he takes his responsibility towards his country and people seriously and with integrity. Lula, Chavez, Morales and Correa are a few others but not many more come to mind.
When he took over, Russia was on its knees, a busted economic basket case engineered by the “fourth reich” and aided and abetted by Vodka Yeltsin. Under his management it’s turned round to become a powerful and independant state (most of) whose citizens enjoy a much better standard of living than when he took over. Which countries can claim that level of success over the same period? As comparison the in the US it’s estimated that 50% of children will live in families dependent on food stamps, the middle class has become an endangered species and income inequality is approaching the worst in the “developed” world.
Those who accuse him of being a Judas would do well to look up which country he is president of. He is not responsible for the citizens of another one, just those of Russia. I have no doubt that he is playing a long game (as you say, Russia is more Asian than “western” and that’s an Asian characteristic) which to many of the MTV generation is incomprehensible. I’m sure he will do his best for Novorussia but the interests of Russia will always take precedence. He has delivered the “fourth reich” a deadly snake bite with his moves for dollar decoupling and promoting cooperation with China. He’s had a hand in the admission of India, Iran and Pakistan into the SCO (due late September) and that should be a slow but steady game changer. He now needs to keep Russia out of too much harm until this all takes its effect.
I knew the more popular this blog got, the more we would see the anonymous trolls (e.g.00:18 and the like shilling for their powerful paymasters the official storyline of NATO and the other lying, provoking, relentless warmongers who are always, it seems, in the right.
The Western propaganda seems further divorced from reality everyday. It is no surprise that Amerikans, most who live in a La La Land of their own making, would swallow it.
Say what you curs want about Putin: the obvious fact is that the West is not used to dealing with someone who has the stones and the mettle to match.
-Farflungstar
“How else could Tony Blair accumulate $50 million dollars in such a short time span?”
His foundation, not him. Direct payments from a Ukrainian oligarch of $0.5m a year helped. (The Clintons got $13m).
Well, I read the whole thing and as usual many of the expressed opinions show much
forethought and insight into the NovoRussia, Russian relationship. I can imagine
that the thoughts and feelings being expressed here and many others that we are
not privy to are sitting on Putin and Co. desks and meeting agendas. This is a
delicate dance to dislodge an enemy that is a Hydra. And I don’t know that any of
us could be doing a better job of trying to balance a country on the head of a
pin. For every opinion that is for something. There is an opinion against it. That
is the nature of opinions. In the end someone has to take responsibility for
acting and there is a % of the people that are not going to like the decision. So
be it.
The ceasefire as many have said and it has proven to be – a joke. But that has
been known by the people that signed the paper. Putin and Porky may both have
profited from the ceasefire, in the short term. RU has been calling for a
ceasefire for a long time. Could it refuse this one even if it is farcical? UE has
rebuilt it forces before, only to get creamed. Can anyone say that Novorussia is
not also rebuilding its forces? I don’t know much about Strelkov. But he is still
alive and still active. Maybe his time will come again. Why take the chance of
losing a good man to an assassin? If the ceasefire ends, at least, maybe some of
the civilians will have been taken care of before winter. It’s not over by a long
shot and I don’t think calling someone a traitor w/o knowing more of the facts
serves any purpose except to vent one’s anger.
The EU has proven again to be a poor partner. But also a partner that voted down
the expansion of the NATO budget(2% of GDP). Europe said, in effect, that war is
not an option. Russia needs a ‘docile’ europe. China needs a docile europe. The
USSA is using europe as it always has. Something will break. I tend to agree with
the poster that said that FR is the key here. DE is DEad. Europe has deep
problems. The EU is on life support. D. Tusk is not going to save europe and he
isn’t going to take europe to war against RU. The Poles are not on equal footing
with DE or FR or IT in the halls of govt. IMO he is at a dead end. As one of his
ministers said the Poles give the amis BJ’s and get nothing in return. Well
anything coming out of Tusk’s mouth is not going to be interpreted other than
something the amis put in there.
Winning or losing the propaganda war is, IMO, a big ‘so what’. USSA citizens are
not part of the decision making process re. going to war, any war. Their history
proves that. Winning the propaganda war in Europe is basically impossible because
most of Europe still remembers the Soviet times. There are countries on the
Zerohedge map that are in black. (the Saker is not responsible for the map colors,
by the way) (: It is these that are to be courted and let Europe wallow in its own
shit. And shit it is. Europe has brought a problem child into the fold (UE) and it
is going to blame everyone else for its behavior. Sooner or later that will end.
(Poland will have apples to export next year, who is buying). The Russian
sanctions hit at the gut level. The EU sanctions hit many of the RU oligarchs.
This, imo, is a plus for RU. There is, in a sense, a lot of housecleaning to be
done, ala Yukos. When the West and its zionists wolves tore the country apart
after the USSR breakup. This is a debt that is yet to be settled. As for financing
China will be a big help. And with Chinese money EU sanctions are null. As for
pending business deals for RU the pipeline seems to be full. And it is with all
the people shown in black on the ZH map. Looks positive to me.
The end game is to emasculate the western financial system and in the process that
rabid USSA dog. I think China and RU are in accord on this. Winter is coming.