by Le Saker Francophone for the Saker blog
Macron, the French president, always eager to take the center stage to show his dynamism, has received the two outsiders of the presidential election of Ukraine, Zelenski and Poroshenko, on the same day with 3 hours interval. On april 12th Zelinski is convened at L’Elysée at 3 pm then Poroshenko at 6 pm.
Le Monde, one of the few French newspaper to speak about that visit says: “It is Zelenski team who took the initiative for the meeting. For the young candidate, who see himself as an ‘Ukrainian Macron’ the interest is clear : to show its closeness with a president that is appreciated by the people of Ukraine, to show its international stature, and after being described as a puppet manipulated by the Russian, to show that his loyalty goes for the West… Mr Poroshenko has requested too an invitation and l’Elysée accepted it not to look as favoring one upon the other”.
The other media speaking about that visit is Sputnik France.
The French presidency said that the talks will be about bilateral relations and the cooperation in the frame of the Normandy agreement. No more details has been added. This vague declaration may hide some kind of “talks” that could be not politically correct enough to be publicly announced. One could think that the anglosionist system, whose Macron is a slavish representative, wants to “suggest” its instructions and conditions to the future Ukrainian president, especially Zelinski who got 30% of the votes for the first round while Poroshenko got only 16%.
Zelenski did not say anything about that planned meeting. Porochenko said that «the fate of the State, of security in Ukraine and in Europe too, in the whole continent, are at stake…and it is necessary to consider for some more sanctions against Russia”. Before coming to France, Poroshenko paid a visit to Merkel. But the spoke person of the German chancelier took the precaution to precise that it should not be seen as a support for the Ukrainian candidate.
The Western backers of Poroshenko looked puzzled by the high score of Zelenski, a guy they did not choose.
Johann Wadephul, vice president of the main party at the German parliament said “Ukraine cannot afford to bend on an unexperienced government, especially because of its conflict with Russia and difficult economic and social situation”.
After first saying that the USA will not interfere in Ukrainian election, Kurt Volker, the U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine, said “today the people of Ukraine has to choose. Do they want somebody who just oppose the system and promise huge reforms or somebody who may have disappoint them but who has done more reforms for Ukraine than anybody else since 20 years, and is able to face Poutine”.
Even with this backing, the chance for Poroshenko to win look weak and “the West could insist for the two contender to get an agreement. If Poroshenko falsify the results, Zelenski will have to stay quiet. It is one of the option. But if they consider that Zelenski could make a suitable president for Ukraine they could try to convince him to give a good political position to Poroshenko” thinks Rostislav Ichtchenko, president of a Russian think tank.
“Macron want to evaluate Zelenski and the potential consequences if he becomes president. Especially for his relation with Russia. Poroshenkko has been invited only to be polite with him as the European Union has been backing him those last years”, says Bogdan Bezpalko another Russian expert.
After the meeting, Zelenski declared to the Ukrainian media «What pleased me with Macron, what characterize him on the contrary of many politicians is that he has an excellent sense of humor. Then I am now not the only one”. And that they talked about “the most important problems in Ukraine, especially how to stop the war with Donbass”.
Of course The Kremlin reacted with irony to that convocation. Dmitri Peskov is curious to know how Arsen Avakov will denounce that French interference in an Ukrainian election with the same virulence as he denounces Russian interference. On her side, Maria Zakharova reminded that French and Western interference are not new in Ukraine, and that “…foreign ministers, including the French one, personally gave support to the Maidan demonstrators, in the very centre of Kiev». Then, to tease Macron she added “For some months we observe the Yellow Vets movement. Did you see Foreign ministers of other countries – europeans, arabs or americans – coming in the middle of the crowds to push them to take over the Elysée palace or to ask for the destitution of the government?”
Coincidentally, Hubert Fayard, the Donbass representative in France, has been arrested and put in custody for “procurement”. The story is unclear as “an Ukrainian woman he just met proposed to lend him some money”. The day after police searched his house and arrested him for procurement.
The stupidity of these people is just bottomless. For the German Parliamentarian to imply that Poroshenko is experienced, one has to interject, ‘yes experienced at theft of state assets’, ‘experienced at impoverishing the country so that millions leave’, likewise Volker’s comment.
Then we have Macron, the great guardian of democracy launching projectiles at those French, who have been impoverished while Macron caters to the rich. And Zelenski looks up to him as role model!!
It just doesn’t get any weirder. Well actually it does, keeps getting weirder and weirder. Assange exposes the war criminals and thieves of elections, and the guy who benefited from Assange’s revelation is no persecuted by Trump, who would even be President if Assange had not blown the whistle on Clinton.
And a Donbass representative gets set up in an obvious sting.
The stupidity and outright shamelessness of Macron, Trump, May, Poroshenko, Zelenski knows no bounds!
We call it the black hole of political stupidity.
it’s not stupidity – just the way psychopaths think and operate. They don’t know any other way. Lying, blaming their victims for their own crimes (as Hilary and Trump do), when caught lying they just double up. And they lie in a way no normal person would even dream of lying – that’s one of their trademarks.
we have allowed psychopaths to percolate to positions of power – it’s not really their fault because their sickness does not allow them to behave in any other way. When tested for emotions their brain center for mathematics lights up. They are brain damaged.
So it’s the sheeple who are to blame for allowing foxes to be in charge of the hen-house
Trump, Hilary, MIlosevic, Tatcher, Zionsists, Israel…Goebels etc they all have that trait in common – lie and lie, and when caught just double up and pretend you were never caught lying…
here is a good book on the subject of psychopaths (both individual and ((((‘cultures’))) by the inventor of the Psychopath Test:
https://www.amazon.com/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths-ebook/dp/B005O0AVZU/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3VJXMNFT9BD2&keywords=without+conscience+by+robert+hare&qid=1555253325&s=gateway&sprefix=withou%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-1
nothing will change until enough people learn how to spot these monsters (and good actors) and prevent them from getting into positions of power
Its already been baked into the cake, mechanisms have been created (the federal reserve system of inflating their way out while denighing cost of living adjustments to their citizens). We know who they are (Catholics, Jews, grade A students, and the brits), we know how they did it, (just described), and we know why they did it (to have absolute control over the globe) or inherit the Earth and its resources.
The mechanisms to reverse this fraud only open up a few times a century if that, and very few people other than those mention above ever WAKE up to the fraud all around them, it all just seems so natural, using human capital to financially control and tyranny to educate, completes the elites long standing ideology. No books are necessary, just plain old experience and expertise. Its a private eugenics experiment which is denighed in public and practiced privately using fashism as the last resort of compliance
We have one as PM at present-Scummo, also a Pentecostalist lunatic, like Bolsanaro in Brazil. Scummo is currently engaged in an election campaign where his hysterical and bare-faced lying has reached depths of moral insanity that could only have been guessed at even a few years ago. The ruling vermin are going barking mad, making the necessary sanity and collective co-operation needed to avert Near Term Human Extinction in the ecological Holocaust impossible. Even yesterday, it was revealed that an expert report on the state of the Great Barrier Reef, suppressed by the ruling regime, but leaked, showed that at 1.5 degrees Celsius increase in global average temperatures the Reef, already vastly degraded after serial bleachings, is doomed to total destruction. This drew gasps of surprise (it is NO surprise to anyone with even a small acquaintance with the facts)from the assembled presstitute cretins, then was forgotten, and did not appear on the news, yesterday, or today, so far.
Manu Antoinette and the Chocolate King, what a couple! Maybe Poroshenko is just checking he can flee to Paris when the comedian takes over?
Anonymous
Not really. Poroshenko (Waltsman) has US citizenship. He has already sold his assets in Ukraine. If he does decide to flee, it will be to the US. If not, then to some other place. It won’t be Paris.
Perhaps Poroshonky has an appointment with ‘The National Razor’, that no-one has alerted him to.
It is well to remember that the German regime is a Nazi successor state. Nazis were installed in power in the West German state, under the Western allies, after WW2. This was part ideological, as the USA was aiding Nazis and east European fascists to flee to sanctuary in the West, and the US elites had long been supporters of fascism and Nazism, pre and post-WW2 up until today, and a necessity as only members of the Nazi Party were experienced in administration etc after thirteen years of Nazi rule. The ideology infects all German political parties and the business parasites, and they are ever eager to reward their WW2 allies, like the Croat, Slovene, Bosnian, Ukrainian and Balt fascists now restored to power in their states. And naked Nazi ideology and vile apologias for the Nazis under Hitler et al, are growing ever stronger by the day in Germany. Indeed the BND intelligence agency is directly Nazi in origin and history, and turns a blind eye to revanchist fascist and Nazi groups in Germany, and the police operatives who collaborate with them.
Mulga Mumblebrain
That is basically true. Just to add that the Anglo-American bankers in 1931 opened the Bank of International Settlement in Basel. It was this bank which financed Hitler, whose chief task was the invasion and break up of the Soviet Union (Russia). He failed. NATO has taken over.
As foreign policy goes, Germany is facing a problem. It knows that it’s chief trading partners are in the East. Washington is opposed to this. It wants Germany to remain in NATO, which of course is not in Germany’s interest, facing a nuclear armed Russia.
It is true that Germany never forgets it’s allies. Croatia is proof of this. However, when it comes to Ukraine, Germany cannot go against Russia for the sake of Ukraine, bearing in mind that the bulk of Ukraine was built on traditional Russian lands, and that it’s only a matter of time before Ukraine breaks up. Washington will do it’s utmost to prevent Germany joining the Eurasian Economic Union. However, times are changing and the US is becoming a falling imperial power.
“It was this bank which financed Hitler, whose chief task was the invasion and break up of the Soviet Union (Russia). He failed. NATO has taken over.”
Wrong assumption. Hitler’s task was to break up Great Britain in the first place. He was supported at the beginning by the US oligarchy, like Rockefeller, JP.Morgan. Hitler switched sides and allied himself with the City of London (aka Rothschild) under the delusion that Brits and Germans are one Aryan nation. In 1941, bombing of London stopped and Germany started its attack against the Soviets (Operation Barbarossa). Immediately after this, US entered the 2nd WW and helped Russians by giving trillions of dollars in Aid and mostly in military equipment (trucks, ammunition etc.).
American bankers never had any intention to break up Russia. This had been always the long term aim of Great Britain since the 17th century to secure the Indian spice road and later the ME oil route.
You can read the following to get some clue.
https://www.americanheritage.com/how-america-helped-build-soviet-machine
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-17/unpleasant-truth-about-1941-parachuting-rudolf-hess-england-part-1
Matthiew
I am afraid I cannot agree with you. Anglo-American bankers worked jointly to place into power and finance Hitler. Who invested in Germany after World War One ? Who provided the German Army with transport ? Henry Ford perhaps ? Why didn’t the US Army Air Force bomb American factories in Germany during World War Two ? Both Napoleon and Hitler were proxy fighters, financed by private bankers, whose aim was the break up and plunder of Russia. This task has now been given to NATO. It too will fail.
B.F.
“Anglo-American bankers worked jointly to place into power and finance Hitler.”
I don’t disagree with you, but I have a slightly different view it seems. Yes Hitler and Napoleon were both patsies of big money. In the case of Napoleon it was Rothschild who financed his wars and once Napoleon went into megalomanic delirium declaring himself Emperor, it was time to get rid of him. Waterloo would become his fix. Interesting enough, when Bonaparte lost the battle Rothschild spread the rumor in England (his home turf) that England had lost. Overnight he made a killing in the stock market first buying collapsing government bonds and then selling it for much higher price when it became obvious that Bonaparte was the real loser.
In the case of Hitler, he was the unstable but charismatic leader that was probably promoted by the American oligarchy. There is abundant proof of it if you make a research on the internet. Just research German companies like Krupp and IG Farben and their mysteriously close link to American oligarchy. Possibly Ford was one of the backers. Knowing his fascist tendencies and relationship with German Nazis, I think it is quite plausible. Following the switch of Hitler to the side of Rothschild, Germany all of a sudden became the vassal of Britain. The old pictures of young Queen posing with Nazi salute may tell some stories. It was Rudolf Hess who flew with his glider to Scotland to cut a deal with the European Oligarchy. In my view, Hitler was tasked to attack Russia right after the agreement, thus he betrayed the Yankees. So much so, a mere two weeks later US went into the war against Germany in 1941. German bombing of London ceased and the British let this vicious dog attack the Soviets. The US oligarchy must have felt quite a bit betrayed, so much so they destroyed entire Germany towards the end of the war.
This meeting in Paris was logical. Three puppets meet to discuss politics. The host puppet, Macron, passes off instructions to the other two. However, we can conclude that the instructions were not identical. Poroshenko (Watsman) was probably told not to do anything foolish, like introducing a state of emergency and cancelling the elections. Zelenskiy was also told not to do anything foolish, like arresting Poroshnko (Waltsman) after the elections. In other words an orderly succession of puppets is expected by the West. Well, the West will probably get an orderly succession of puppets. What it will not get is a stable Ukraine, which is virtually impossible. In the end the West will watch the country disintegrate into three parts, as analysts have been stating since 2017.
As for Maria Zakharova, her comments, as usual, are first class. No Western politicians came to Paris to offer cookies to the Yellow Vest demonstrators, asking them to take Macron’s palace by force. Why not ? Maybe because a puppet is residing in the palace ?
I know I shouldn’t be, shocked,surprised,horrified,whatever you could call it,about the stupidity of the European “leaders”.After all my countries regime is even worse. But I still am.That after 5 years of bs over the Ukraine,they still try to pretend the Ukrainian regime is a democracy and “fighting” against an “aggressive” Russia,is just breathtaking stupidity.In an honest world those stooges would be removed from office,for stupidity alone.Not withstanding all their other crimes.Being that stupid should be a disqualification from holding public office.
Maybe after some sightseeing the Ukies torched the Notre Dame. They must be depressed they didn’t get to shoot or club survivors to death like in Odessa.
Two days later tragedy strikes Notre Dame.
A Sign of the Times.
Oh and very dark times they are.
Tovarishch Zelenskij Nafiga Vam presydenstvo Nu Poroshenku jasno vin bilshe nichogo ne vmije a Vy talanovytyj aktor i vdrug bac Z jakogo dyva?
Google translation,MOD
Comrade Zelensky What for you presidency? Well Poroshenko clearly doesn’t know anything better than wine, but you are a talented actor and all of a sudden do you know diva?