It is often argued whether the Ukrainian junta is Nazi or not. I would strongly argue that even though Poroshenko did not come out, make a Nazi salute and declare “I am a Nazi” all the signs point to the conclusion that the regime in Kiev has its ideological roots in the Nazi past. The latest example of that “filiation” can be found in this absolutely amazing event last week: only three countries – the US, Canada and the Ukraine voted against a UN Resolution condemning the heroization of Nazism. The EU was not much better: it abstained. This development is so crazy, so insane, that it is important to have access to the original document which was voted on.
Here is the full text of the Resolution:
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N14/604/26/PDF/N1460426.pdf
You can also get this text from here:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/94n40m3x00dr355/N1460426.pdf
Here is the official voting record:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf
To me, this is disgusting beyond belief. Here we have two countries who try to positions themselves as the most pro-Israeli on the planet (the US and Canada) and the EU which has even passed laws making not only Nazi propaganda illegal, but jailing those who would dare investigate the mass murder of Jews by the Nazis (the so-called ‘Holocaust’). And yet these putatively anti-Nazi and “democratic” countries are now refusing to condemn the heroization of Nazism not so much because they particularly like Nazis, but because they want to “protect” the Ukrainian junta. As for the Ukrainians themselves, they have suffered more from Nazis then any other country or ethnic group, and yet they also refused to condemn the heroization of Nazism. This makes a mockery not only of all their so-called principles and values, it also is an act of obscene disrespect for the millions of Ukrainian murdered by the Nazis. There is one good thing about all this: it shows clearly and unequivocally how much the western elites truly hate Russia and that this hate clearly trumps any other considerations or values.
Russian disgust
For the past few days, or weeks, really, I have seen more and more signs of total Russian disgust with the West. If, in the past, Russian diplomats and politicians were mostly trying to sound polite, now they are openly expressing their disgust. For example, they are now openly saying the Europe does not have a foreign policy or an opinion, that Europe is just a subservient colony of the US. As for the US, the Russians are now openly saying that this entire Ukrainian crisis was just a pretext and that the US are really out there to submit Russia. Putin said that openly last week, adding that nobody had every succeeded in subduing Russia and neither would the USA. This goes further than words, Russia has already announced that she was going to boycott the 2016 Summit on Nuclear Security. This became known when the Russian informed the other members of this Summit that Russia would not participate in its preparatory work.
Sergei Lavrov also made a remarkable speech today, but since the pathetic website of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not even bother providing a translation on the same day, we will have to wait before I can post it here.
The Saker
Though it is true that all EU countries did abstain, no all EU candidates did. Serbia voted in favour of the UN Resolution.
Western sanctions are aimed at regime change in Russia – Lavrov
The ultimate goal of the anti-Russian sanctions imposed by some Western nations is to stir public protests and oust the government, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.
“Western leaders publicly state that the sanctions must hurt [Russia’s] economy and stir up public protests. The West doesn’t want to change Russia’s policies. They want a regime change. Practically nobody denies that,” he told a leading think-tank in Moscow.
Lavrov said that the tensions between Russia and the West had been brewing for years before the Ukrainian crisis, adding that now the Europeans had decided to go for all-or-nothing and play chicken with Russia. But at least the positions have been made clear, Lavrov said.
http://rt.com/news/207927-russia-europe-business-usual/
http://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_moscou-accuse-l-occident-de-vouloir-un-changement-de-regime-en-russie?id=8431059
More neo nazis now in Berlin:
http://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_neonazis-et-habitants-se-melent-a-berlin-pour-protester-contre-l-accueil-des-refugies?id=8432979
The treatment of MH17 shootdown in the media was widely seen as US exerting pressure on EU to sanction Russia. EU refused to do so before MH17, but immy sanctioned following MH17. However, I believe the correct interpretation is that MH17’s media coverage gave EU the political cover it needed to act against the interests of its people.
Criminals who head up Germany and France and Britain are always pretending they’re being dragged kicking & screaming by the US. This pretense is merely to prevent the Russians from responding w an effective foreign policy.
Not unexpected Amerika has a lot of dealing with the Nazis going back to the days of prescott bush with his bank working with hitler and also trying to overthrow the Amerika govt at that time. If not for Smedley Butler Amerika might be a very different country. Then again we are just a step away from to fascism here.
Hope this doesn’t post 2
In this i believe that is high time for politeness and political correctness in the azs game be brushed aside
A spade is a spade, a criminal a criminal, apologetics of crime a crime.
I wonder: what was Israel’s vote.?
As a Canadian who has been abroad for over a decade I have but one word to describe this: disgusting. The veil is well and truly been pulled off to reveal the conservative government’s support for international fascism, and with nary a peep from the electorate who are too busy gazing at Kardashian’s enormous ass. Entirely and utterly pathetic and not a mention in the Canadian mass media.
Why will be that I’m not surprised the attitude of the EU in this matter?
Spain’s attitude surprises me even less from the time that in this country there are countless monuments and streets dedicated to fascists as the “Valle de los Caídos”, where, to make matters worse, there are buried some Republicans deleted by the Franco regime. That is, they rest there, at the same with “Paco” and his minions, to sustain the worst nightmares of their families who are constantly in claim of exumation the remains of their loved to get them out of this cursed land and they can rest, finally, in land more conducive.
I understand that Russia is indignant, what less.
I, more than indignant, I get the creeps before the expected new recession and people explode finally here and elsewhere in southern and western Europe. I fear that what some pointed on that Ukraine was an experiment after extensible to other places, I find it increasingly plausible.
If Podemos win here, or some coalition of them with other leftist parties, I expect the worst.
Recall that here with the “exemplary transition to democracy” that we suffered in ’78, there has been no debugging or security forces, or in the armed forces, or upper echelons of the judiciary, where there are still many fascists.
Will be time to start getting serious with Russian overlooking legs go out as soon as we give a coup a la Ukrainian?
What I stand bad is cold, I love the sun and the sea…. OMG!, finally, on vacation to Crimea as soon as possible!
( forgive me for this humor moment with such a serious matter. If I’m honest, lately I think about it sometimes, seriously ).
Dear The Saker,
The truth will always out! These are the countries the US controls – they say no or abstain……sad times. All those millions upon millions of lives lost to Nazis and their allies. Plus the fakes who actually pretended to be against the Nazi’s but always supported them. The masks are off!
What was the point of the rememberance ceremonies in these countries?
Rgds,
A disgusted Veritas :(
There are Nazis and there are Nazis.
A significant number of them, in the US and the EU, support Russia — for like Communism, it is an inherently anti-liberal ideology and thus disposed to resisting the chief force for global liberalization.
Where is now this all-powerful Israel lobby in USA and Canada to condemn this scandalous behavior of these two countries ???????!!
How many times did they call former president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmedinejad “the new Hitler” because of his support for revisionist European “Holocaust”-historians who were prosecuted in Europe ?!
WTF ??!!!
I knew it. As a Serb I felt this absolute hatred from Westerners in the 90s and later, and I was just waiting to see when it will be turned into what it was – anti-Russian hatred.
Btw, Montenigrins and Greeks are below contempt.
Regards from Serbia,
The Wend.
p.s. Ivan, Serbia is not a real EU candidate. Everybody knows this in Serbia.
Seeing abstentions remains patent that, in addition to the EU, have refrainecd all decomposed states or in danger of decomposition by the action of AZ Empire, that is, all who are and have become their lackeys: Chad, Libya, Mali, South Sudan, Yemen, ancient states of the former Yugoslavia except Serbia, former Soviet republics now in the wave of NATO …Nothing surprising at all, isn´t it?
I am absolutely horrified by the actions of my government. To the people of Donbass, Russia and peaceful Ukrainians and I am so sorry. I hope the people of my country (Canada) see these crimes for what they are and that we have a lot in common with Russians.
I sent this story about the UN from RT my mother and she responded simply, “shocking”. I think her opinion mirrors that of most Canadians.
Stay strong and united my Slavic friends you will defeat these evil, violent ideologies in the end.
Stepping Razor
i have a different perspective on things. Labels get thrown around, this ism vs that ism… Once the blood start flowing hatereds are created that will for many generations.
The ruel ruler of the game hide in the darkness and laugh at how easily the stupid sheep are led.
People of good will start killing one another without pause or thought, the game had been played the same way throughout written history.
Relations between Canada and the USSR were much better than with current day Russia. At that time, we had an independent foreign policy, at least to a degree.
The blatant posturing of the Harper government has all but destroyed that historic relationship, and for what? Pandering to Canadians of Ukrainian descent in the hope of not losing the next election, which they surely will?
Speaking for myself and a half-dozen friends and associates I can safely say that the current Canadian government in no way represents our feelings on this issue, and that when the time comes we’ll be working very hard to remove these quislings from office.
In the meantime, I appeal to any Russian or East Ukrainian reading this to consider that not all Canadians, or even a majority at this point, support our government. I’m sure there are many good people in West Ukraine who understand our predicament all too well.
Canadians and Russians have a long history of friendship and mutual respect. This should not be thrown away over a few self-serving politicians that have sold out the rest of us.
The U.S. has been in bed with fascist governments for decades, usually in third world or colonial countries like Argentina, Honduras, Haiti, Guatemala, Indonesia, South Africa, Israel, El Salvador, or Chile. That is far worse then voting for a resolution. Now the morons in D.C. are going after a country that can fight back– Russia.
The EU has also done worse, by the way. They voted to continue the sanctions on Iraq over and over again, year after year, for 12 years, in full knowledge of what they were doing.
‘Heroization’ is a construction that English speakers will understand. Native speakers will always use and prefer ‘glorification’.
Franco meets Hitler in Hendaye:
( you take note of those mustaches )
http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/fue-noticia-en-el-archivo-de-rtve/encuentro-entre-franco-hitler-hendaya-23-octubre-1940/906015/
Well Putin, are they still our “partners”? are they still our “friends”?? Are you still the leader of a nuclear superpower??
Damn it man, send in the army and liberate Novorossia and Malorossia too, while you are at it! It is time now!
(said from a Putin-supporter, NOT Putin-basher or “horray-patriot”, but disgusted and fed up!)
condemnation of Nazism: Oh it showed them something all right—that they can bamboozle half of the UN into abstaining on anything they decide to oppose even something like: We declare that the sun rises in the East. It is an obscene form of cynicism and shows #1 the total nullity of the UN #2 the hubris of the power mad#3and the fecklessness of those governments abstaining which thanks to you Saker, I know Israel did not.
Sorry Saker, but I have to come down on the other side of the fence on this one. Whilst it is certainly disgusting that the neo-nazi movement is not condemned by Europe and the US (obviously because of Ukraine), the document contains language that would both violate the principle of free speech and academic freedom, esp as it relates to so-called ‘hate language’ and ‘holocaust denial’. What is ‘hate language’? And why can the holocaust be questioned as there are many excellent reasons it should be – no historical event should be closed to discussion and certainly people should not be fined, beaten and put in prison for it.
So I partly agree and partly not.
Lavrov, the worlds leading diplomatic statesman has finally spoken the unequivocal truth.
Deeply impressive, the whole speech.
“USA: Lesson from Election 2014: Fighting for a labor party”:
http://www.rebelion.org
/noticia.php?id=192300
-Lenin said: “Take the fundamental laws of modern states, take their administration, take freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, or” equality of all citizens before the law ‘, and you will see at every step test the hypocrisy of bourgeois democracy with which every honest and class-conscious worker is familiar. No single state, no matter how democratic it, not having technicalities or reservations in its constitution guaranteeing the bourgeoisie the possibility of sending troops against the workers, of proclaiming martial law, and so on, in an “violation of public order, ‘and indeed, if the exploited class’ violates’ its position of slavery and tries to behave in a non obsequious manner. “
Heroization of Nazism:
Please note that the only countries in Latin American that voted to abstain were Panama and Belize both de facto protectorates.
“Crimes that spain does not pursue”:
http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=192325
“Combating Glorification of Nazism and Other Contemporary Forms of Racism”
Why should they? I deny some of the German Nazi war crimes… so what. And I deny the 6million number of the Holohoax. I don’t believe in anything they say.
Before that they should first consider condemning the glorification of former USSR (esp. Lenin and Stalin era). What the USSR did was several times worse than anything NAZI Germany did. And the atrocities that the Axis did, the Allies matched and outdone. Condemn glorification of the Allies? Ban it? Combat the glorification of Churchill (I will support that)?
They should condemn Americanism and Western Imperialism. I am sure many in the Southern hemisphere would appreciate that.
History has many interpretations and the mainstream is not considered the truth for all.
I may not support the Nazis in general but this is a slippery slope. The laws of some European countries on Holohoax deniers is abhorrent and you should be glad that in America, people are still able to deny that lie.
Victor,
All of your points would matter except that virtually all of Europe already has laws abridging punishing hate speech and/or denying the “holocaust”. So this could not possibly be a principled stand by Europe. It’s craven obedience.
Does anyone have a map of how countries voted on this resolution? It would be really interesting to see…
I live in Canada and first heard this news on Russia’s Channel One. Turned to my (Canadian) girlfriend and translated. She couldn’t believe it, and was in shock.
Of course, the local news is saying nothing about it.
“I want to say very clearly that we are working towards stronger sanctions [against Russia],” [Australian PM] Mr Abbott warned. (08/08/2014)
Participation in economic warfare operations is not the only strategy Australia is pursuing in conjunction with allied nations. Australia’s Chief of Defence Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin announced that the ADF [Australian Defence Force] will be enhancing its military cooperation with Ukraine.
“Australia is in the process of receiving an upgrade to enhanced Partnership status, giving greater diplomatic and military access to NATO operations. Australia is represented by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and Defence Minister David Johnston, who have Russian president Vladimir Putin firmly in their sights…. the Defence Force is considering allowing some members of Ukraine’s military to attend an ADF training college in Canberra. The Government this week announced it was opening an embassy in Kiev and would provide supplies to Ukraine’s military as it battled separatists….. [Australia’s Chief of Defence, Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin] said there was also a proposal for a small number of Ukrainians to attend the ADF’s Command and Staff College for professional training.” (NATO summit: Australia strengthens ties with Atlantic alliance, but strains of global policing starting to show, ABC News Australia, 05/09/2014)
“The prime minister, Tony Abbott, has invited the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, to visit Australia to discuss security.” (Tony Abbott invites Ukraine’s Petro Poroshenko for security talks, Guardian, 20 November 2014)
In addition to its participation in allied economic sanctions against Russia, Australia is also actively involved in supporting the Ukrainian regime as it conducts offensive military operations. Australia’s position towards Russia is well established.
Importantly, hostile operations between military blocs are active and intensifying, albeit in preliminary stages (involving proxy warfare, economic warfare/economic sabotage operations, information warfare, destabilisation/partition/regime change operations within Russia, mobilisation of military forces/assets/missile architecture, etc.). What is occurring is more than a cold war but not yet a direct hot war.
U.S./NATO (and Australian) backed military operations in Ukraine are intensifying and therefore indicates that the situation will likely continue to deteriorate. Although Russian strategists will almost certainly continue to employ moderate/calculated responses and preferentially pursue political resolutions to disputes, Russian analysts no doubt (and correctly) also anticipate a possible worst case scenario resulting from developments.
It looks like this resolution was issued also in 2012 and 2013 and the vote was more or less the same (appart for ukraine that did not vote against at the time). Weird, really weird.
I have been posting on numerous websites letting people know about the UN vote to condemn heroization of Nazism.
While doing that I learned something on a different subject that I must pass on!
Today is the anniversary of JFK’s assassination, as you know.
This is incredible! Newsweek (a MSM) has as its cover story for their November 28th issue an article entitled:
“The Truth Behind JFK’s Assassination”
Incredible! The article is authored by a CIA agent or front man – Max Holland !
This brings new meaning to the phrase “MSM carries water for the government”.
That phrase should be retired in favor of” “MSM carries buckets of blood for the government”.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/11/28/truth-behind-jfks-assassination-285653.html
Why, in such strange times of irrationality, am I surprised the apartheid state of Israel voted “yes”?
Australian government aggression towards Russia is no surprise. Russia is a direct competitor to Australia for the Chinese energy and resources markets. For example, China’s new greenhouse gas targets involve moving from Australian coal to Russian gas.
For anyone who might be interested here is a 4 part series on how the teaching (and imagining) of history in Ukrainian schools has been handled since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The blogger is from Odessa.
http://ivakin-alexey.livejournal.com/785633.html
By Saker: “There is one good thing about all this: it shows clearly and unequivocally how much the western elites truly hate Russia and that this hate clearly trumps any other considerations or values.”
Make that two good things :) It also shows who are the ones standing by Russia too, with their hegemon defiant yes vote. Honestly; thanks for posting the country voting list. I’d encourage anyone to read it, it is truly enlightening (if not also frightening)
“[…] If, in the past, Russian diplomats and politicians were mostly trying to sound polite, now they are openly expressing their disgust. For example, they are now openly saying the Europe does not have a foreign policy or an opinion, that Europe is just a subservient colony of the US.”
Well… about time they drop their politeness and start to call a spade a spade! I was beginning to wonder if some of the Russian Officials were suffering of a terminal case of naiveté, or what?! I’m hugely relieved now, but mind you, I DID bring this very subject up weeks ago….
…just sayin’
“[…] Sergei Lavrov also made a remarkable speech today, but since the pathetic website of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not even bother providing a translation on the same day, we will have to wait before I can post it here.”
I too would like to read that entire speech myself, but here’s a bit of what he said, that in IMHO this was the key part of it:
Western sanctions are aimed at regime change in Russia – Lavrov
“Western leaders publicly state that the sanctions must hurt [Russia’s] economy and stir up public protests. The West doesn’t want to change Russia’s policies. They want a regime change. Practically nobody denies that,” he told a leading think-tank in Moscow.
http://rt.com/news/207927-russia-europe-business-usual/
-TL2Q
I have been wanting to ask here for information on Hungary lately and maybe this post is a good place.
Specifically I have a friend who claims that President Viktor Orban supports the Nazis, is a corrupt thief of government money, has created an “ill” atmosphere like before WWII and that he is a “big liar”.
My friend left Hungary 20 years ago, he still has family there and visits once a year. I am wondering if he is out of touch or perhaps not? He claims that I am terribly wrong about Orban. I have been impressed that Orban is not a puppet of the west and is doing what I thought was in the best interests of his country.
We didn’t talk specifics yet, but some of the things I was thinking about were Orban’s views or decisions on the IMF, Monsanto and the South Stream pipeline.
Anyway, I really do wish to hear from someone who is currently living in Hungary and can give me some truth about Orban, specifically: Is he corrupt? Does he support the Nazis?
Sometimes expats are still in tune with their home country, but sometimes they have become completely indoctrinated by the western media and politics where they currently live. I know people of both types.
Also, can anyone recommend a good (English speaking) Hungarian blog or media site.
Thank you.
Merkel sends also another sign in the direction of Russia and wants to fundamentally reform the “Petersburg dialogue”. She says there must be also a critical confrontation with the Russian policy in the future.
The Petersburg dialogue is a bilateral discussion forum to promote the understanding between the civil societies of Germany and Russian founded 2001 by the German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and the Russian President Vladimir Putin.
After several representatives of NGOs from Germany had cancelled their participation in the Petersburg dialogue in October 2014 in Sochi because of the Ukraine crisis, the event was postponed indefinitely.
On the 19th November 2014, the Chairman of the German Committee Lothar de Maizière was pushed by the Chancellor’s Office to cancel the Member’s Assembly. He criticized in an interview Merkel’s sanctions policy against Russia. For this reason, Chancellery and Foreign Ministry now see no way that the reform could be successful under his leadership.
Also the connection to the German-Russian Forum should be stopped because e.g. the Eastern Committee of German industry has a strong presence there. The Chairman, the former Prime Minister of Brandenburg Matthias Platzeck, will also lose influence. He suggested last week to regulate the annexation of the Crimea under international law and to recognize it.
So all people should be displaced from leadership positions, who are suspected to be too friendly to Russia. Merkel is behind this demand, which is represented by politicians, who are known as Russia-haters. In the future, civil society organizations should be represented more strongly. These require among others the Konrad-Adenauer-Foundation and the Heinrich-Boell-Foundation, which already participated in the coup in the Ukraine. There, one can imagine what kind of “Dialogue” with Russia to take place.
In Chocula and Yats Rada, how many Neo Nazi or Neo Fascist members are in the Ruling Coalition? Post Oct. Election?
I was arguing with a dim bulb at work with who said Putin is evil. I tried to argue that his family was largely killed by Nazis. Explained Bandera
The remnants of those same genocidaires are in Ukraine’s parliament. She refused to believe me
So I am coming to the experts for clarification
Start by examining the head of internal security, Dmitri Yarosh. Or simply google Oleg Lyashko, he has lots of horrifying videos on the internet.
Where is now this all-powerful Israel lobby in USA and Canada to condemn this scandalous behavior of these two countries ???????!!
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Considering Kolomoisky who bankrolls his own Neo Nazis
Israel and Jews only consider it anti Semitism when Muslims engage in it
Anonymous said…
Well Putin, are they still our “partners”? are they still our “friends”?? Are you still the leader of a nuclear superpower??
Damn it man, send in the army and liberate Novorossia and Malorossia too, while you are at it! It is time now!
(said from a Putin-supporter, NOT Putin-basher or “horray-patriot”, but disgusted and fed up!)
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As one who has been accused of hurray patriotism here, I share your impatience
What would it take for Putin to go full on Georgia this late in the game?
My intuition: when NATO gives lethal aid to the Banderites
The Ukraine Russia War will last as long as it takes to drive a tank from the border to Kiev
Anonymous said…
Well Putin, are they still our “partners”? are they still our “friends”?? Are you still the leader of a nuclear superpower??
Damn it man, send in the army and liberate Novorossia and Malorossia too, while you are at it! It is time now!
(said from a Putin-supporter, NOT Putin-basher or “horray-patriot”, but disgusted and fed up!)
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As one who has been accused of hurray patriotism here, I share your impatience
What would it take for Putin to go full on Georgia this late in the game?
My intuition: when NATO gives lethal aid to the Banderites
The Ukraine Russia War will last as long as it takes to drive a tank from the border to Kiev
It is all the fault of Russia to show so much weakness to anglo heyenas that theose paraste anglos got encouraged by each retreat of Russia since 1982 that they now dare say openly what they could not dare think only a few years ago_regime change of democraticcally elected govt. In non angl nations.
Russia had helped wedt on sanctions on syria.on iran.what for ?
Membership of amglo controlled IMF ?
How is that helping your trade Mr.Putin at such a high cost ?
Russia and china have never managed to gey any resolution passed in UN which was not in western interest while Rusdia has always passed resolutions brought by west against rusdian freind !.
Result is the sheer impotance of russia despite veto power which is useless of ypu have no guts or no policy.
Instead of trying to destroy corrpt UN , stupid Rusdia helps UN !
Whay a stupid and loser nation Russia is !!
one thong more.
never trust I in bricks My country India is full of anglos bootlicker and traitor to india let alone to Bricks.
[from Blue]
“not so much because they particularly like Nazis”
This is not an assumption I would make. While the US hates the _word_ nazi, it has long pursued the general policies of nazis: aggressive war, torture, perversion of democracy, fascism, US uber Alis exceptionalism — now even the ‘homeland’ and castigation or supression of those who oppose US policies and war. There are plenty of nazis in theus government and power structures.
(As for Israel, see my comment in the post regarding Conyers’ bill.)
_Blue
Simon Wiesenthal Centre has new job… Israel’s YES for the resolution is definitely remarkable and confirms huge split in Jewish community. While for American based Jews (organisations like AIPAC and billionaires like Soros) is support for Israel just pocket money ritual, Israel based Jews feel authentic fear of their post-imperial future and desperately need new friends.
The Western elite must be destroyed somehow before they destroy us all. The psychopathy within them seems boundless. Lord help us!
Haha, ‘Russia isolated’! You can’t make this stuff up:
http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/un-anti-nazism-glorification-vote/
Der Spiegel did not report at all on the vote, too embarrassing.
Kind regards,
Dutch
I have to agree with Saker’s general opinion about the hopelessness of the Russian media, or at least the English version of it.
When reading RT, TASS, or Sputnik (RAI Novosti) I constantly find myself saying, “Who writes this stuff? The US State Department?” They seem to have no grasp of how pejorative language is constantly used in the “west” to impute blame or motives by carefully phrasing language, and just quote the same disingenuous language verbatim.
For instance, if you state “Putin admitted Russian radar was monitoring Flight MH17”, it (purposely) has a completely different connotation to the reader or listener than “Putin stated Russian radar was monitoring Flight MH17” even though nominally they say the same thing. One implies guilt without actually stating it, while the other does not.
Another example is the constant use of “Regime” to describe governments the US opposes, while using the term “Government” for those it supports. Similar, the corrupt military dictator of a US puppet state is always a “President” or “Leader”, while the head of a country on the US hit list is always a “Dictator” or “Strongman”.
It’s called “Spin”, and every sentence of the “western” MSM is filled with it. Ditto every phrase uttered by a “western” politician or spokesperson of any kind.
To my constant disgust, RT and other Russian news websites continually parrot the “western” MSM lie machine “spin” verbatium without even putting it in quotes or pointing out the “spin” aspect of the statement.
I have a hard time telling whether I am reading RT or the New York Times most of the time.
Very frustrating.
@MJ
Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy Image
http://journal-neo.org/2014/11/21/hungary-s-viktor-orban-washington-s-new-enemy-image/http://journal-neo.org/2014/11/21/hungary-s-viktor-orban-washington-s-new-enemy-image/
Anunnaki said…@ 23 November, 2014 03:29
“As for the Ukrainians themselves, they have suffered more from Nazis then any other country or ethnic group”
Since you don’t define “the Ukrainians” you suggest that “the Ukrainians” were/are a homogenous group.
Statistics are notoriously innacurate since from 1941 to the early 1950’s and beyond massacre statistics were used by the Ukrainians, Poles and others to facilitate ethic cleansing on the territories presently known as Ukraine.
At different times both the local Poles and Ukrainians were allies of the SD and associates in destroying one another.
In conjunction with “anti-terrorist” military action, as a tool to pacify the region in the late 1940’s, the Soviet state encouraged nationality homogeneity in the relevant section of internal passports, and facilitated “population movements” both internally and externally adding to local greivances which broke the surface ocassionally in riots and political movements such as those associated with Vyacheslav Chornovil and others.
In exile the OUN was whitewashed partly to ease their use under Gladio – on the basis that none is so obedient as those who are fully compromised – which of course progressively backfired, leading to interesting questions such as whatever happened to Stepan Bandera?
Some in the right sector and associates have a very acute knowledge of history.
Remembrance ceremonies for the OUN were started in Lviv, Rivne and Ternopil from 1992 onwards, although in “Western Ukraine” from the late 1940’s onwards there was some complicity by local authorities in placing “exiles” names on war memorials as killed to ease the tribulations of families left behind.
The history of the region is very complex and hence the notion of “Ukrainians” is an exercise in obfuscation.
Amongst other factors these are some of the embers which the opponents have activated to lead to the present conflagration.
There is not much material available on this in English since it mostly resides in “intelligence files” many of which are still closed, however a book published in 2012 may shed some light and perspective.
Title : Savage Continent
Author : Keith Lowe
Publisher: Viking Press
A knowledge of complex history is a pre-requisite for facilitating lateral strategies.
Statistics are almost impossible to source.
Saker: As the Nazis targeted Russia in WW2- So they do now
Why would the gang of modern day NAZI thugs condemn that which suits their agenda
Though not personally hung up on the whole NAZI meme, I can see how it fits the agenda of the anglozionists then as now
I’d like to respectfully disagree with the notion that the population of the USA is composed of sheep. As if the people, who have either been dumbed down to a controllabe level of ignorance (playing with fire on that score I think,) or controlled by an economic system that prevents any manner of subordination otherwise the people would cease having food and shelter, or tempted by comforts,leisure and luxuries without the wisdom to live moderately, or a tangible reason to do so, or frightened by any number of plagues, this population has very little recourse to escape their enslavement and can be easily manipulated by controlling entities like a kind of herd.
Either something happens where the only alternative to rebellion is to die, or to lose the fear of dieing for a greater cause, then the people have the potential for freedom from their servitude.
It’s no wonder the US government supports Nazis when a percentage of the people are in fact moderately cognizant of the crimes being perpetrated upon them or made complicit in those crimes from taxation or a level of comfort that isn’t threatening to survival.
God forbid the government should follow through on their intention of shutting down this free press, this internet. Historically the press has been a precipitant force for change, and while we can express our views here, we are contained and restrained as well.
Some Canadians on here say that those around them do not share the Harper government’s views nor condone their actions on Russia. I am glad to hear that, however, have not experienced the same thing myself. I am close to government (public service) circles and from my perspective, while a few do not agree with the government in general, most are completly ignorant of what is really happening right now and many believe the prpaganda on Russia. I find it quite discouraging myself, in my view Canadians are not too far from Americans in their level of brainwashing. Immigrants seem to have a better (more accurate) view on things than native canadians.
@elsi (22 November, 2014 22:22):
Thanks for the video, Elsi! It’s always fun watching those old newsreels from the Third Reich. It’s kind of like watching today’s AZ ‘news’ of the world.
The Canadian people are largely tolerant, reasonable, progressive and peaceful. The current government has never carried anything close to a majority of the electorate, although it does reflect the interests of certain business and elite sectors – most specifically oil, gas and resource extraction. The UN vote on nazis has not been reported anywhere in the mainstream Canadian media.
Similarly, the situation in Ukraine has received uniformly terrible biased coverage in Canada – in keeping with reporting across the western capitalist bloc. Therefore, most of the Canadian public is poorly informed on this issue, and reflexively believes Putin to be some sort of demon, but when pressed cannot say why exactly. Canadians certainly do not feel animosity towards the Russian people – our hockey rivalry has led to a mutual respect.
By Terry: “I have a hard time telling whether I am reading RT or the New York Times most of the time.”
Don’t worry, you’re not alone in that sentiment. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with RT myself. Where’s the breaking news about the Chinese stance on Crimea? Where’s the breaking news about the Russian lead anti-Nazi UN bill?
Seriously, sometimes I think the guys that work for RT are either slackers at best, or 5th ‘coulumners’ at worse :/
By Penny: “Though not personally hung up on the whole NAZI meme, I can see how it fits the agenda of the anglozionists then as now”
Two words for you (and anybody interested on this subject): ‘operation paperclip’ – research it, if you want/can.
‘Dr. Ewen Cameron’ is another thing you guys might want to look up, if you’re willing to go all the way up to the gates of the proverbial ‘rabbit hole’ (it goes way deeper than that, btw. Good luck and happy digging :) )
-TL2Q
TL2Q
very familiar with paperclip and mkultra and Ewan Cameron and worse- take a look at the posts in my blog
@ Penny:
I’m so very glad to hear you know all about this, but we must spare a thought for those that never heard of this before … ;-)
PS: I’d love to read your blog btw, mind to post a link?
-TL2Q
Here, in Russia, we can`t understand why the USA hate us so much. We are beginning to feel hatred towards the States which are constantly lying while trying to cause us all kinds of harm. And now their politicians even make fascists heroes; those beasts our grandparents had to fight spilling their blood.
USA, you are wrong. STOP it. You must be in the hands of wrong politicians.
The three votes against this resolution are a pretty bizarre development and certainly underline the hypocrisy of the U.S. and Canada (as does the EU’s abstention), as does the ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s opposition to “an amendment to the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would have forbidden US assistance, training and weapons to neo-Nazis and other extremists in Ukraine.” http://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis
However, I’m not entirely comfortable with: “Recalls the condemnation by the Special Rapporteur of any denial or attempt to deny the Holocaust and his call for the active preservation of those Holocaust sites that served as Nazi death camps, concentration and forced labour camps and prisons, as well as his encouragement of States to take measures, including legislative, law enforcement and educational measures, to put an end to all forms of Holocaust denial,” given the way “Holocaust denial” is used in practice, being applied to Holocaust revisionists.
I realize of course that this is not the objection of the U.S., Canada (where Ernst Zundel was jailed), or the Ukraine to this resolution, and that it’s purely a matter of political expediency.
To Frank Bloesch…about Canadians not having a definite opinion one way or another about Harper.
Frank, I think it depends where you live in Canada….I’m proud to say that Elizabeth May, the first Green Party member to make it to Ottawa, is from my riding !!! So where you live in Canada is dependent on your neighbors likes or dislikes of harper…
Elizabeth May is a powerhouse…so vote green…she’s the top person in the green party and she would be a fantastic Prime Minister…
Hey, can anyone possibly explain to me why the Russian leaders act like a group of bloody morons?
What is the point of childishly telling the truth and playing with open cards?!
What was the point of the public ceremony of awarding the soldiers for securing the Crimean referendum?
What is the point in owning up to the of the Crimean accession?!
What is the point of begging the West for lifting the “sanctions”, what is the point of public acknowledgements that the sanctions “work” and “have an effect on the Russian economy”?!
What is the the point of assuring the Western leaders of the effectiveness of such foolhardy policies?!
What is the point of feeding the Western aggressors and confirming them in their belief of their “success” in the strategy of escalating tensions?!
Why the Russian leaders keep quiet like little schoolboys, when the West fumes with ostentatious indignation about the “breaking the international law” and whatnot?!
Why don’t the Russians say that if they were to adhere to the Western standards of observance of international law, they would now have the right to bomb Kiev and all of Ukraine (as per the Yugoslavia example), citing humanitarian reasons and hundreds of refugees (which served as a pretence for starting the “humanitarian bombing campaign”).
The West had broken just about every pillar of international law in the previous quarter of the century, setting a trap for themselves with the so-called the “Kosovo” precedent yet the Russians cannot even turn it against the perpetrators who are in stark violation of international law by recognizing the independence of Kosovo and Metohia.
The Russians seem to have a passion for throwing away all their trump cards, for squandering almost every favourable opportunity!
They act like complete fools, trying to engage with the United States of Aggression, when their main focus of interest ought to be the EU.
If the Russians focused on the EU, they could crack it easily. Now, they have further cemented the EU in the Evil Empire’s embrace!
WHY???!!
Why are they so crazy??!
If they had focused on the German chancelloress, she would now “be forced to walk in the sewers”! Pit the eavesdropped one, who has already learnt how to use cutlery, against the representatives of the industry, uncover their conduct of almost criminal compliance with the mass surveillance by the Evil Empire, against the ordinary. Portray her as completely incompetent, treasonous and possibly blackmailed as a result of the spying.
Don’t the Russian leaders understand the West’s strong and weak points?!
The West’s strong points are “unity” (mafia-style).
If Russia succeeds in wringing the EU from the Evil Empire’s grip, Russia wins.
If Russia manages to crack the EU, Russia wins.
The West had broken just about every pillar of international law in the previous quarter of the century, setting a trap for themselves with the so-called the “Kosovo” precedent yet the Russians cannot even turn it against the perpetrators who are in stark violation of international law by recognizing the independence of Kosovo and Metohia.
The Russians seem to have a passion for throwing away all their trump cards, for squandering almost every favourable opportunity!
They act like complete fools, trying to engage with the United States of Aggression, when their main focus of interest ought to be the EU.
If the Russians focused on the EU, they could crack it easily. Now, they have further cemented the EU in the Evil Empire’s embrace!
WHY???!! Why are they so crazy??!
If they had focused on the German chancelloress, she would now “be forced to walk in the sewers”! Pit the eavesdropped one, who has already learnt how to use cutlery, against the representatives of the industry, uncover their conduct of almost criminal compliance with the mass surveillance by the Evil Empire, against the ordinary. Portray her as completely incompetent, treasonous and possibly blackmailed as a result of the spying.
Don’t the Russian leaders understand the West’s strong and weak points?!
The West’s strong points are “unity” (mafia-style).
If Russia succeeds in wringing the EU from the Evil Empire’s grip, Russia wins.
If Russia manages to crack the EU, Russia wins.
The EU has so many attack surfaces! What about starting a smear campaign against their leaders? What about returning the same “human-rightist” filth which the West has been spewing all around and directing against Russia – back to the West?
Russia needs to go on counteroffensive and take up the same policy of meddling into the internal affairs of the EU mafia group.
It needs to criticize the abysmal human rights violations in certain countries, especially the violation of democratic principles.
Russian needs to work with opposition groups in those cuntries in order to weaken and destabilize their governments! Also, the hostile leaders would be very sensitive to such a smearing campaign, as the elections are always looming ahead…
Employ the press and the non-governmental organizations to attack the Western leaders’ personalities.
Exploit every failure of theirs in a concerted campaign to undermine their legitimacy. In further stages, cast doubts on their legitimacy.
And most importantly: challenge them on their very values, challenge their lies, statements, narratives, brand them as grievously uninformed, etc.
And put it in graphic terms, for public consumption: if they speak of “European”, “democratic” values, just confront them with the real-world effects of those “values”, such as gory bodies torn apart by the “spreaders of pro-European values”!
Make remarks about “a bloody dictator slaughtering his own people”, set the stage, direction and tone of all further discussions, speak with disdain about the “dictator who has lost his legitimacy”, speak about the urgency of “doing away the murderous regime”…
It is not enough to be “right”; one must also persuade the others of one’s truth.
A “Canadian”, what is that?
You guys are still just a part of British Empire and your puppet-government theater is just that, a dog and pony show.
Stop talking like you were some kind of an independent country – baceuse you simply aren’t.
In Europe you have only two countries that had voted for the resolution : Russia and Serbia. Is it a coincidence if those two countries fighted nazism with most determination in the past, and if they were targeted by Nato in our days ?
The Bolsheviks did succeed in subduing Russia and worse. This seems to be ignored by the Russian administration and the Western World generally.
I wish to add that Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (jew), administrated the killing of millions of Christian Russians and the starving and killing of millions of Christians in Ukraine.
Kaganovich died in 1991, living to old age with a comfortable pension in Moscow.
It is a Federal hate crime to deface any Jewish synagogue, or any other sort of Jewish institution by doing such as painting a swastika on it. Yet the hypocrites who represent the psychopath alliance refuse to condemn the glorification of Nazism. This is a deplorable, despicable act. If such blatant disregard of morality and humanity does not stir the American citizenry into action then nothing will, ever. This is proof positive that the US and its assorted ass-lickers, yes Canadians you are now no better a lot than your comrades to the south, are completely without morals. I for one have made the decision to leave this psychiatric ward and head to South America.
Reading in current Wikipedia resource about the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, it is clear that they essentially FOUGHT AGAINST EVERYBODY AND BELONGED TO NOBODY. Starting in 1943 the Ukrainian Insurgents began war against the German fascists and Hitlerites which warfare continued as long as Germans occupied parts of Ukraine. Otherwise, it was effort to get weapons, etc., to turn them against Germans as well as stalinist Russians. So to label Ukrainian Insurgents as simply “nazis” and “fascists” is an erroneous and very cheap shot. So yes, Ukraine suffered tremendously from the German fascism, and both its leftwing and rightwing forces waged war against German fascism. It looks like even “collaborator Bandera” was arrested and almost murdered by the German fascists [they kept him alive only because they thought they could use him, and he likely thought he could use them]. There was no “love” here.
—My own opinion is that picking Bandera as some “poster man” for Ukrainian interests has been a disaster and not really correct.
How about Mykola Skrypnyk, the martyred old bolshevik leader of the Ukrainian SSR, destroyed by Stalin’s regime? Hardly a fascist!
He is the one, according, to sources, who managed to get Stalin to agree to establish a separate Ukrainian SSR with boundaries roughly those previously established by the non-communist Ukrainian National Republic, briefly independent in 1918-1920 until militarily conquered by the Russian Red Army.
According to a comment by the Ukrainian representative Tsymbaliuk [as per posting even at Russia Today]
Ukraine would support the anti-nazi resolution provided it also included similar condemnation of glorification of Stalin and staliniam. Nothing wrong with that. Stalinism in Russia pioneered the administrative machinery of mass-murder including one party state, secret police, mass executions, death camps [GULAG] several years before Hitler & Co came to power in Germany and began in effect copying this same odious machinery, one party state, secret police, death camps, etc. Stalinism did not direct mass murder on basis of race, rather, on basis of socioeconomic class, resulting in what might be called “classicide” the murder of people simply for being born into a given class without any other evidence against the given individuals. Classicide has never been listed as any crime on the international arena, thanks of course to the influence of USSR which was the major perpetrator.
I have seen photographs of Novorussians proudly waving portraits of Stalin. Can’t forget one photograph of some little old lady holding up an image of Stalin with a saint’s halo around his head, so now we have “Saint Stalin”
as a proposed new saint for…
I do not even want to go there.
There is enough insane and disgusting stuff to go around.
To my shame ,Canada has voted with the USA ,on the heroization of Nazism.With the Harper regime acting as our dictator in chief it is not surprising.
I wish Elizabeth May could become our Prime Minister ,what a wonderful breath of fresh air she would bring to our nation.
Love you blog site Saker.
Does anyone have confirmation regarding the incident of USS Donald Cook in the black sea?
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Anonymous said…
A “Canadian”, what is that?
Someone born in Canada same as anyone anywhere so don’t be so down on Canadians
However you see them they may see themselves very differently.
From where I sit America looks to be tied in very much to the monarchy across the Atlantic. Despite the lore
I’m Canadian and I don’t see myself as having a thing to do with royalty
Blogger Ann said…
To Frank Bloesch…about Canadians not having a definite opinion one way or another about Harper.
Frank Bloesch is mistaken, many Canadians have very definite opinions on the bloated one in Ottawa- and none of them good
I know, I am one of them
Blogger Ann
“Elizabeth May is a powerhouse…so vote green…she’s the top person in the green party and she would be a fantastic Prime Minister…”
She is as co opted as all the rest, she is horrid. All the parties stink and all their leaders stink even more
If elections changed anything they would be illegal. May is owned.
“I’m Canadian and I don’t see myself as having a thing to do with royalty”
Nice for you, but to them you’re just a “subject”. They write your laws, own your land and money and even own you and your children. They could care less about what you think.
anonymous
changing thinking is a way to change reality
how about helping rather then hindering?