This comment was chosen by Mod TR from the post “Turkey’s Gates To Europe”. The moderator believes this comment looks at another reason for the flood of refugees into Germany – cheap labour and political useage. There is a lack of concern by the elites/political classes about who they have let into Europe. There are many reasons for this crisis but fundamentally it is the wars perpetrated by the “West” that has allowed the creation of displaced individuals who will be exploited for the gain of this group.
In a broader sense, there is no bigger wheel than the desire to get some cheap labour. The entire point of modern elite-driven political economy is to get cheap labour and make sure it stays that way.
Even the oil wars are ultimately about cheap labour. They weren’t, after all, about getting access to the oil–they already had access to the oil. The point was getting control of the oil, so that it could be wielded as a weapon. And the point of wielding it as a weapon is so that the United States can remain hegemon. But the point for US and international elites of the United States remaining hegemon is so that pro-corporate, anti-labour policies can continue to be enforced worldwide. Oil is mainly one more weapon for enforcing the politics of ensuring that labour is cheap and elites get to rake off the difference, whether directly by producing stuff in sweatshops and selling it for more, or indirectly by ensuring the proles aren’t in a position to object to financial shenanigans like printing tons of money and making sure only financiers can have it, or by indebting them and charging them interest et cetera.
Given that, I think people are both too quick to dismiss the German elite interest in getting cheap labour and too quick to assume that German elites care whether there are a few thugs and/or terrorists among the refugees that cause some short term chaos and hurt, rape or kill a few people. If anything, German elites are probably happy that there are some thugs and terrorists among the refugees.
This is also where right wing cultural analyses are dead wrong: German and other European elites are in no way interested in creating a homogenized society in which the immigrants and existing population blend together and lose their respective cultures. To the contrary. This is also where East European makes his mistake: “I remember how hard it was for even a single qualified individual to get a residential permit to say, Germany” . . . well, yes, of course. A single qualified individual. From a non-demonized group. In short, someone who might expect to come in and make a good wage in a real job on an equal basis with middle class Germans. What use is that to elites? They want immigrants, sure–but they want them impoverished, isolated, scared, and ideally constituting a brand new social division to be exploited. If there were no thugs among them to help create a backlash, elites would have to bring some in. If anything what German elites would really love is to create US blacks: A permanent underemployed underclass which will stay separate and create divisions in the electorate forever, bringing down average wages, swelling the army of hungry poor that would take any crap job, making unionization and working class politics far harder both because of that reserve army willing to accept worse conditions and because of the social division.
For that dream, Angela Merkel’s political career is a very small price to pay, and even some risk of breakthroughs by hard-right parties who don’t threaten white bankers or factory-owners in the first place isn’t a huge deal. If anything, with the current popular dissatisfaction with austerity policies that has tended to build grassroots leftism, elites may actually feel that they benefit from the rise of the hard right because it sucks political energy from the left. They’re quite likely using the populist right, just like they used Hitler–although they may be miscalculating, just like they did with Hitler.
All that analysis aside, I’m not sure I really buy the idea that there’s anything too grand in the acceleration of refugee arrivals. Erdogan is certainly an Islamist, but I doubt he wants to take Vienna. It’s true he may have concluded he can no longer really use the huge camps of refugees for anything . . . but if they’re not useful, that means they’re a cost, and the Turkish economy isn’t doing so great. Not running camps full of gajillions of refugees is cheaper than running those camps. But also, it may just be the rhythm of things . . . Syrians may be avoiding going through Turkey and getting caught in camps because they’ve heard that if you go through Turkey you get caught in camps. Syrian refugees may have stopped in other places in the Middle East a lot at the beginning, like Lebanon, Jordan, even Iraq, but are now moving past them because there’s no room or the welcome has soured. The rate of refugees from other places like Libya, even Yemen, may be accelerating. The “business” of refugee transport may have gotten bigger and better organized and has simply been better able to move people than it was at the beginning. It’s inevitable that there’s a lot of fairly wild speculation about it all because frankly it would take a big expensive investigative effort to really get much of a handle on just how all these people are flowing and why rates of arrival are changing.
One thing that there can be no dispute about though: The bottom line is that ultimately all these refugees are a form of blowback. If the EU were to stop helping the US attack and destabilize these countries and refuse to give them diplomatic cover for such actions, they would ultimately see far fewer refugees.
Very true.
And it correctly also means: If you are a white qualified german, you have to be willing to work for 5 EUR per hour (that’s nothing here, a small 1 room flat costs 500 EUR per month cold) or you don’t get a job. All of southern Europe was already here even before the current wave or migrants came.
Of about 80 million “Germans” the last I heard was that about 17 millions have a “migration background” as it is now called.
And that’s only of official numbers …
Excellent post by PurpleLibraryGuy, thanks.
Das stimmt habe gerade ein kleine Zimmer fuer 500 Euro in Mulheim gesehn.
Und wenn jeder fluchteling aus Syrien oder IraK Die Arbeit fuer 3 Euro nimmt was koennen wir dan noch.
Angelika Merkel ist voellig durchgedreht und verdient wiederholend Ohrfeigen.
I agree wholeheartedly with Martin from SEB and my wife is a refugee but a real one who came legally with all needed paperwork and went straight into a Hospital with my help.
Ah, Good luck to your family!
As for Merkel: Ohrfeigen (boxings on the ears) ???
I won’t tell what she really deserves, the willingful Pentagon slave she is (otherwise I may get arrested in this “freeee” “country”).
But let’s keep it with that: After her role with Maidan/ATO she deserves some healthy radioactive fresh air while doing some useful (for the first time in “her” [is she female??? is she a human??] “life”) cleaning work in the stricken plant of Daichi/ Fukushima for as long as she can.
Every day she shall see who her “life” is fading out a small and the larger bit more.
She not only ruins Germany or old Europe, simultanously she also destroys the lives of those who come here for untrue promises which have nothing to do with reality. It is the beginning of the dark ages. Maybe the last ones. I don’t think “Ohrfeigen” are the right punishment. Judgement day shall bring justice to her and the likes.
Also take into account what Reader on February 07, 2016 · at 5:25 pm UTC wrote about trafficking. Such cases are also known for Germany. And Thomas de Maizière has a certain history record, yet is still “our” interior minister.
On yt there are unverifyable videos about involvements of the “german” :”elite” into chi;d sex rings. Interestingly: In the city centers directly under the protection of the “police”.
30 seconds on Google reveals the following about the situation in Germany.
Germany’s national minimum wage law (MiLoG – Mindestlohngesetz) came into force on 1 January 2015, introducing Germany’s first nationwide legal minimum wage to the amount of €8.50 per hour.
A Wohnberechtigungsschein (WBS) is a certificate required to live in apartments that have been built using state subsidies. A Wohnberechtigungsschein is only available to people below a certain income level. To qualify, your residence permit must have been issued for one year. People with limited means can also apply for a housing allowance (Wohngeld) from their local town hall. When looking for a flat it is often helpful to visit local Wohnungsamt (Housing Office) to get information on Wohnungsgesellschaften (state-run housing associations with flats for rent).
Siotu
That’s the theory.
Practice: Shadow economy.
Also: Are Mini-jobs covered by your €8.50 per hour theory??
Also, didn’t you forget the official so called 1 € jobs??
You must live in the South-West, if at all in so called “Germany”
“But the point for US and international elites of the United States remaining hegemon is so that pro-corporate, anti-labour policies can continue to be enforced worldwide”
It’s a great analysis other than that.
Unfortunately the problem is the global elite (whether the Russian one’s are part of a single group or otherwise is immaterial).
https://www.rt.com/business/russia-minimum-wage-poverty-711/
“Over a million Russians get a monthly wage of $148, most of them from the public sector, well below the $220 poverty line.
650,000 Russians out of 1.3 million living on the minimum wage work in the public sector, according to the country’s Public Health and Social Development Ministry. The minimum wage is the lowest monthly wage employers may legally pay workers. It will be increased next year by 13% to 170 dollars a month, less than the minimum cost of living. According to the Russian statistics agency Rosstat 12.5% of Russians live below the poverty line.
The minimum wage in Russia is much lower than in developed countries, the auditor FBK reports. According to its rating, Luxembourg, Netherlands and Belgium top the list with a minimum wage of over $1500 a month. Last in line is Kyrgyzstan where minimum wage is the equivalent of $24 a month.
“In Russia, the minimum wage does not guarantee a decent standard of living for low-paid workers,” Anna Bolsheva from the Global Labour University told Expert magazine.
According to the Center for Labor Studies there are almost no private companies that pay salaries at the level of the minimum wage.
“95% of cases are municipal enterprises related to education, science, health, etc.,” Anna Lukyanova from the Center for Labor Studies says.
The European standard for the minimum wage equates to earnings which are at least 60% of the average salary in the country, experts say. On the basis of these calculations, the minimum wage in the Russian Federation should be $515 a month.”
Martin
So over one million “New Germans” are to be denizens of the shadow economy?
Siotu
What you get is far-right demonstrations and an attempt at pushing the electorate right. Then maybe a more militant Europe can emerge and finally flush down the nascent attempts at returning to democracy – a la Podemos, Syriza and event Scottish independence.
Erdogan (and whomever else) would never get away with smuggling in refugees if it wasn’t sanctioned by the US/EU elite. They’re diluting the power of pro democracy movements by social and media shock and awe. Europe will stay in its cage and will not break ranks on the Russian sanctions, which acutely affect German industrialists.
The labor being brought in is uneducated and almost useless. It’s purely about social dislocations, a strategy of tensions, that provides the cover for inaction on social issues as well as the sneaking in of far right stooges that will only misdirect the anger of the populace.
Europe tried to jump out of the Matrix but instead got a mouth full of chloroform.
“The labor being brought in is uneducated and almost useless”. Agree!
And what to do with illiteracy? All those young men coming from Afghanistan for example. A lot of them are illiterate.
Siotu:
You don’t see the point: The wages are driven down for _all_, not only for the migrants.
So we are dealing with a much larger number than one million.
Shadow economy is a wide and soft term.
Here is an example: You help your neighbor cleaning the garden without informing the tax authorities. Or your favorite Doener-Kebab always makes your Doener twice as large because you are his customer for 10 years.
In the field of wages there are unlimited possibilities for such softness: Such as you need 280 hours to complete a certain project, but your client is only willing to pay you 50 hours. Same also in less qualified jobs, such as somebody is cleaning offices and it is _impossible_ to get it done for a certain object in less than 10 hours per shift, yet you only get 4 hours paid.
See it now?
That’s nothing else than _exploitation_.
Ever heard of the Amazon slaves??
There are many such examples.
Thanks to the migration chaos any working class struggle for better working conditions will now no longer be possible. And we fall back a 100 years or more.
And back to your million: You will not only get this one million of folks who somehow stand with one foot in the shadow economy (and admittedly: have to if they want to buy all the stuff they think they need!), but what you get after 1 year or how long it takes them is 90% or more of them new Hartz4 slaves. How do you think this is sustainable for the social benefits / wellfare sysetm?
And there we have it: At some point the govs of EU countries will say: Unfortunately we need to terminate such social security grids, end of the story. They are doing so for more than 10 years already, and piece by piece all the social “Errungenschaften” of the working class get phased out.
But Martin…why do you continue, in the light of above RT item, to admire the “Russians” ans idolize the unknown Putin?
Ah, you comrade again.
Well, very simple: Lenin is quite tired recently and needs much sleep, Trotsky is a traitor and Stalin is on vacation which he really deserved after so many years of working night and day.
Putin is the Best we have and the only one capable and willing to rescue the universe.
Times for thoughtless eternal quarrelling are over.
IT IS WAR.
Everybody who loves Rossiya understands this (but I know I know, nations mean nothing to you).
Martin,
you continue to provide no sense i.e. nonsense.
Putin’s figures (in Rossiya) are not only bad they are even more dire than those elsewhere.
If Putin & Rossiya are the best we have I really do wish there was an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity to pull us out of this whole…but like the unknown Putin that doesn’t make sense either.
I understand your desire for a Knight in shining Armour…all the evidence is au contraire.
Martin has right,do you see other politician who is capable to “clean up” the dirt left behind by others ? at least there is a hope for that.
@nameless unknown person even nickname-less who blames known persons even with full names and cv’s for providing no sense wrote:
> Martin, you continue to provide no sense i.e. nonsense.
And at that you once again don’t at least say point for point A/B/C … what is so senseless in my writings.
Well, I no longer take you seriously Irishman (or which of the anonymous fun-spreaders you are this time).
Martin – Ronald Reagan was a bigger f’ing communist than you could ever be.
Why can’t you just look at the numbers??
War or no f’ing war – there’s no point in idolizing somebody who just represents the f’ing rich guys.
@ Anonymous on February 08, 2016 · at 4:17 pm UTC
> Martin – Ronald Reagan was a bigger f’ing communist than you could ever be.
You pick me, post anonymously and write the same nonsense every time (related to the very good “Anonymous Putin” video which you fail to understand [ The Unknown Putin. Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU4C6ajgBI ]).
You sayb the video is “bad”. Putin is “bad”. No why, no therfore, no alternative, no nothing.
You blame be for all sorts of things, demand transparency from everybody yet cannot even pick a damn semi-anonymous fake nickname for yourself.
You must suffer from some disorder.
Why don’t you rant against 99.999% of the other commentators and authors here????? I bet they are all even bigger Putin fans.
Finally open your intellect 0.1% and tell:
A) How woud Zyuganov and the KPRF have handled the US-Z occupation after Yeltsin, had they won the polls in 1996. Where would we stand now?? What about Crimea? What about Ukraine? Maidan in Moscow prevented?? PMR / Moldova? Georgia / Abchasia etc etc etc ???
What about Syria??
B) Open your mouth: What have you done?
C) Who the damn hell are _you_?
For some totally anonymous nobody to come up with such nonsense every time (yes, because you are the one who is confusing sides here), what gives you the energy for such actions?
Most likely in contrast to you and most here I live clearly under the poverty line.
Yet you blame me for being a rich guy and supporter of the likes.
Never quoting me precisely. Never arguing in a matter of facts (A) versus (!A) basis.
If you have different views – ok, but either finally take the effort to do your own homework first and to clearly write down your views, or simply SHUT UP
@Martin “C) Who the damn hell are _you_?”
you choose to let others know your CV I do not – that’s the way this particular blog works, het the hell over it.
Evidence:
/to-refugee-or-not-to-refugee-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-207308
/moveable-feast-cafe-20160205/comment-page-1/#comment-206950
/minsk-2-a-rotting-corpse/comment-page-1/#comment-136605
If there is no alternative then there’s no point in talking about neo.
Nothing in your A) benefitted “the people”
B) as much as you – talked about an incredibly (if not impossible) difficult situation. The rich guys have the power & money. Uncle Bob thinks the best we can do is hope for a benevolent monarch but I hope for much more. Other than talk/motivate toward that I don’t see the point in pepperspray.
I’m not rich. If I wanted to be wealthy I think I could be but that will never happen because I see wealth & power & inheritance as the source of the disease.
ffs, stop telling me to shut up.
The next time you huff and say you are going away – please do that for an extended period.
Anonymous coward wrote at Anonymous on February 09, 2016 · at 11:26 am UTC :
“”””
> ffs, stop telling me to shut up.
> The next time you huff and say you are going away – please do that for an extended period.”””””
If you were remotely something like a Communist, you would keep your expectations concerning what others need to do in sync with what you are willing to do yourself.
But you want to forbid me my voice while being insulted how I can request the same from you.
As for your numbers: Certainly very shameful for Russia if it is really that bad.
You think it is all Putin’s fault? Proof?
You say he didn’t improve the situation for the average citizens at all?
Why were so many Ukrainians happiliy escaping to the RF then?
What then about Putin trying to prevent the current wave of neocon style “privatizations” aka selling out the last big state corporations to private “investors”?
A) You know nothing about it
B) You claim it’s a myth
C) Another explanation?
I don’t know why the mods are letting your insults through.
Basicly you said repeatedly you want to ban me from this blog.
Who in whoever’s name do you think you are?
Wouldn’t you first make a democratic poll among users?
Then again: You ignored all my questions about a better alternative.
You only say 2 things in essence: Putin == BAD. Me == BAD.
You say that all things Putin has accomplished did not help anybody of the poor people.
Even War or not War got shrugged off by you.
Maybe somebody else needs to explain to you the difference between Yeltsin’s Russia of 1999 versus Putin’s Russia of now.
Let alone versus Libya or Syria.
Maybe then you grasp the difference and start to thank Putin for the national stability and security he has brought.
Then again, in God’s name answer my questions or finally SHUT UP: How would Zyganow/KPRF have dealt all the national and international crises better than Putin (without having started WW3 twice per year beginning 16 years ago) ??
Before continuing your utter crap answer these questions.
Because being alive or dead makes a slight difference to some.
So it cannot be true what you say, that everything Putin has achieved never benefitted anybody from the working class.
Go through Crimea or Kaliningrad or some country side areas across the Wolga and make a survey how bad Putin is.
Maybe folks will hunt you with forks before you find the time to figure anything.
Provide solutions and concrete steps and an AGENDA how you claim you would/could build a better Russia if you were Putin.
Or stop trolling around, if you cannot even answer these short questions.
@”Soviet” Martin:
“As for your numbers: Certainly very shameful for Russia if it is really that bad.
You think it is all Putin’s fault? Proof?”
The figures are not shameful, they are horrendous. I never said it was all (the individual is unimportant) his fault but it’s beyond miraculous that after the US (or the world oligarchy) had brought Russia to it’s knees in the early 90’s that they would then let power over a competing (if that’s what they ever were) set of world oligarchs slip from their grasp – the “unknown” part of the story is exactly what is untenable.
“You say he didn’t improv the situation for the average citizens at all?”
I didn’t. I said wealth disparity has increased during his “leadership”.
“Why were so many Ukrainians happiliy escaping to the RF then?”
Not sure what you are talking about but with so much oil wealth brought back to Russia it seems unlikely that all boats would not rise (however unequally & unfairly).
“What then about Putin trying to prevent the current wave of neocon style “privatizations” aka selling out the last big state corporations to private “investors”?
This is untrue. Putin has had over a decade to manage the worsening then static wealth disparity figure and manage Russia’s relationship with the IMF. He’s not trying to prevent the privatisations – he’s just trying to manage them (can I have some of what you are smoking please?)
“Then again: You ignored all my questions about a better alternative.
You only say 2 thungs in essence: Putin == BAD. Me == BAD.”
I said there is no point in believing something the opposite of what the facts represent. Delusion is no place to begin a fightback. I don’t think you’re bad, just deluded.
“You say that all things Putin has accomplished did not help anybody of the poor people.”
You are repeating yourself – see my previous answer.
“Maybe then you grasp the difference and start to thank Putin for the national stability and security he has brought.”
I’ll not copy Goering’s quote again at the moment, you can read it here /week-seventeen-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-does-erdogan-want-war-with-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-206857
Stability to aid a particular group (or the whole group) of rich guys is not noble. Ask some of the old folk living on the front-line in DPR how they feel.
“Then again, in God’s name answer my questions or finally SHUT UP: How would Zyganow/KPRF have dealt all the national and international crises better than Putin (without having started WW3 twice per year starting 16 years ago) ??”
For a start by making the Russian central bank no longer subservient to the IMF & ultimately the Federal Reserve.
“Before continuing your utter crap answer these questions.”
Sticks & stones – you are a particularly offensive “communist”…
“Because being alive or dead makes a slight difference to some.”
if your thesis is that it can always get worse then you could have a point. The corollary (rhetorically speaking) is to ask the thousands dead in Eastern Ukraine & the tens of thousands dead in Syria prior to intervention.
“So it cannot be true what you say, that everything Putin has achieved never benefitted anybody from the working class.”
You’re repeating again.
“Go through Crimea or Kaliningrad or some country side areas across the Wolga and make a survey how bad Putin is.
Maybe folks will hunt you with forks before you find the time to figure anything.”
Have you read what Goering said yet?
Solutions not based in the Tooth Fairy have already been alluded too. You have no problem in disbelief of Jesus & his teachings.
You should probably take one of those long breaks you talk about pretty frequently.
Anonymous anonymous wrote anonymously:
#0.)
> The figures are not shameful, they are horrendous.
Is the https://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=EURRUB=X eg. https://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDRUB=X volatility since 2014 already priced in by your numbers?
Otherwise it provides a distorted picture to quote RF wages in Dollar terms.
Also price in tha the costs of living are cheaper in RF than in many other and all western countries.
Your numbers distort this fact by comparing apples to tomatos.
#1.)
> > You say he didn’t improve the situation for the average citizens at all?”
> I didn’t. I said wealth disparity has increased during his “leadership”.
That’s either a clear lie or shows your ignorance. In either case it proves how reliable your “numbers” are. This removes the need to continue this discussion. Because as verifyably proved in Boolean Algebra: From a falsehood anything can be derived.
#2.)
>> “Why were so many Ukrainians happiliy escaping to the RF then?”
>>
> Not sure what you are talking about but with so much oil wealth brought back to Russia it
> seems unlikely that all boats would not rise (however unequally & unfairly).
Huhhh?
What??
BTW: Did you ever monitor the crude prices in the past months?
As for the 1 million UA refugees having escaped to RF: https://newcoldwar.org/some-1-2-million-ukrainian-refugees-stay-in-russia/
#3.)
>> “What then about Putin trying to prevent the current wave of neocon style “privatizations”
>> aka selling out the last big state corporations to private “investors”?
> This is untrue. Ahh??
Proof??
Maybe you saw other sopunding statements and reader’s comments in a nearby article, maybe not …
> Putin has had over a decade to manage the worsening then static wealth disparity figure
> and manage Russia’s relationship with the IMF.
I agree with you on that. And it bugs me myself that Russia is still yet another local shop of the Fed. On the other hand I read a lot of comments on ZeroHedge suggesting that he had little if any choice. That’s why I asked you for your concrete plans, ideas, agenda and steps.
But you don’t appear to have any other than to rant against me. Which not only won’t move forward communism, but rather is even counterproductive. Because your genious’ plan is to silence me, and hence one of the last small voices who try to defend Lenin and Stalin.
The problem is: You have no clue about what is possible in reality and what are little more than castles in the sky.
You ignore what would happen if Russia had printed its _own_ (non-Fed) money.
If it isn’t backed by anything, it would be made worthless by the intl. bankers cabal within hours.
In the past one could say: Ok, it is backed by oil,. but now they drove down the oil price to a 5th of what it was not long ago.
Russia bought tons and tons and tons of Gold and dumped USD reserves for it. That’s what was done by China and Russia during the recent years. So hang on with your hopes to get rid of the Rothschild hydra.
We do need a new Stalin for that and no, in cannot be done in 5 minutes. And especially not by some clueless person like you. So I rather trust Putin.
#4.)
What does Goering’s famous quote have to do with Putin?
Could you enlighten me on that?
Are you suggesting Putin is a War mongerer who cannot expect to get WW3 started??
The facts tell a different story.
Otherwise Kiev would now already a part of north-central Russia … (maybe uninhabitable for some milennia).
#5.)
> Sticks & stones – you are a particularly offensive “communist”…
You are a born Westerner.
You confuse being a Communist with being a Hippie.
I never tried to be one and from my clothings you would expect me to be somebody who elects Merkel or Hillarhelly.
I’m not a hippie.
Yet even more so a Stalinist.
Hippies got arrested in the good old times. They were not wanted here.
It is somebody you cannot know.
The sticks and stones point: You don’t know what you want.
Sometimes you say Pepperspray is not enough (you want to create a terror cell?? But what after the assassination? Chaos, disease, death. You must be such a dull “Anarchist” like we had here a few times. Those thoughtless armchair “communists” kille much more people becauise they fail to think thoroughly before starting with their fatal actions).
#6.)
> You’re repeating again.
Yes, consider it an extra service (help!) for you.
BTW, the first one who starts to repeat the cycle, that’s every time you.
Are you one of those who keep hoping for different outcomes even though they keep using the same old input all the time?
#7.)
> tell me what you are smoking.
I don’t smoke.
Anbd I never took drugs.
maybe difficult to understand from your persepective, but true.
#8.)
> You should probably take one of those long breaks you talk about pretty frequently.
I took it already.
And it was very refreshing (5 thousand kilomerters in 10 days in a small Fiord Ka, without ever sleeping in any Hotel or anything).
Is it my fault that you apparently overlooked all of my posts in /bosnian-muslim-witness-confirms-that-the-markale-massacre-was-a-false-flag/ ?
Yet you keep saying that all I’m writing is nonsense and that I shall go elsewhere?
Now, correct all my typos yourself.
I’m tired of wasting several hours per day with somebody as bugging as you (told this already others).
Good Bye and find some happiness.
.
@Martin.
For someone who has wished me “goodbye”, “i’ll not waste my time”..etc…onmany occasions you have a real issue with doing the exact opposite of what you say you will do.
I did not reply in detail as you had said at point #1:
“This removes the need to continue this discussion.”
I took that at face value since I find it surreal to be arguing with a “Communist” about the least worst Capitalist who arguably sctually premier of the worst of Capitalism /moveable-feast-cafe-20160205/comment-page-1/#comment-207798
“#2.)”…[]…As for the 1 million UA refugees having escaped to RF: https://newcoldwar.org/some-1-2-million-ukrainian-refugees-stay-in-russia/“
Again…Huhhh?…What?? or more simply what is your point?
r
“#3.)…Proof??”
/paul-craig-roberts-and-michael-hudson-privatization-is-the-atlanticist-strategy-to-attack-russia/
I guess that can be disputed – you & I won’t agree separately here though.
“Because your genious’ plan is to silence me, and hence one of the last small voices who try to defend Lenin and Stalin.”
Zero intention to stop your ranting. I enjoy a lot of it agree with a sizeable portion disagree with some. removed – no attaking other commenters.
“The problem is: You have no clue about what is possible in reality and what are little more than castles in the sky.”
The problem is I don’t want to hear of your castles in the sky which are as bad (or worse) than the ones we currently have.
Printing money etc…read this http://lit.md/files/nstarikov/rouble_nationalization-the_way_to_russia's_freedom.pdf and we might talk more.
“#4.) What does Goering’s famous quote have to do with Putin?”
equivalence as in everything (if you can’t discern the intention study more words instead of George Boole’s theorems)
“Are you suggesting Putin is a War mongerer who cannot expect to get WW3 started??”
Absolutely not /paul-craig-roberts-and-michael-hudson-privatization-is-the-atlanticist-strategy-to-attack-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-207865
“#5.) You are a born Westerner.”
You’re just mouthing irrelevant words now. This is the truth /liberals-attack-ramzan-kadyrov-putin-and-sovereignty-of-russia-by-scott/comment-page-1/#comment-203463
I’m not interested in your hippie status.
“But what after the assassination? did the world stop spinning after the end of the soviet union? neither am I interested in your other intended slurs that follow.
Neither am I interested in your “trickle down effect”…”cleaner if her boss “earns” 1 million or 20 billlions”
f’ing Margaret Thatcher
Consider typos corrected.
I look forward to your next comment with interest.
Please shut down this conversation now. It is just becoming personal attacks. Any further unconstructive comments will go to the trash.
@Martin:
“That’s either a clear lie or shows your ignorance. In either case it proves how reliable your “numbers” are.”
Huhhh?
What??
“This removes the need to continue this discussion”
As you, as one who doesn’t believe in God, just said, thank God for that??
Gee, and you want me to take you seriously…looking forward to your next nonsense with relish.
Just about to watch “AI” again to remind me the dope you’re smokin…
{a}
> As you, as one who doesn’t believe in God, just said, thank God for that??
I never said I didn’t believe in God.
Read again, what I always say is something else:
Nature is God.
God != so called “religions”
Most of the time I provide this url with it:
The real Truth About Religion And Its Origins – Must Watch!! [High Quality]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
{b}
> Huhhh?
> What??
The disparity poor versus rich is statistically growing exponentially all over the globe.
Especially since ZPIRP began in 2008 and even more so now in the times of NIRP.
Theat’s unavaoidable if you (not even) “print” Trillions of FIAT Zeros.
Nevertheless the felt living conditions in Russia have dramatically improved under Putin.
(what does it mean to the cleaner if her boss “earns” 1 million or 20 billlions.
The problem is you spend too much time posting big mouthed slogans, while I use the same time quietly to find out more about the economic situation (by reading ZeroHedge comments)
{c}
> Just about to watch “AI” again to remind me the dope you’re smoking
The remainder of your comments now show that I took you too seriously.
I don’t even need to counter-act on this level anymore, because now every reader sees what a person you must be.
Somebody who:
* watches TV (I ditched mine in 1998)
* appears to be something like a US-citizen?
* wants to be respected yet treats others badly
In that context tahnk you for showing your true colors.
And once again you don’t want to get “confused” with facts.
Such as:
No response to:
* how you think it is possible to get rid of Rothschild influence in Russia or China
* no comment to an entire bunch of all my postings in the Yugoslavia thread
* personal insults against me
You meanwhile topped all others I ever had trouble with ojn this blog, even including Mohammed.
Just wait till the Catalonians start showing up there in waves, too, sometime now to 2017.
The homies there are about as happy with their central gov as the southeast Turk Kurds are with Erdogoon.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/07/449130/Spain-Catalonia-Amposta-Ebro-rally
Tens of thousands of people in Catalonia have taken part in a rally to protest against an irrigation plan envisaged by the Spanish government.
Around 50,000 people demonstrated in the Catalan city of Amposta on Saturday to show their disapproval of the plan to transfer greater amounts of water from the Ebro River to other cities.
Many Catalans believe Catalonia would be more prosperous if it were independent from Spain.
The Catalan parliament last November voted in favor of a resolution to split from Spain by 2017.
The Spanish government has repeatedly ruled out the possibility of independence for Catalonia, a resource-rich region that provides at least one-fifth of Spain’s gross domestic product (GDP)
At face value, Catalans also sound like a greedy/self centred bunch.
@ Anonymous [on Feb 07, 2016 · at 8:45 pm UTC]
“At face value, Catalans also sound like a greedy/self centred bunch.”
Why? Because Catalans don’t fancy being taking for a ride and being turned into a tax-paying cash-cow to fund the rest of Spain?!?
Oh! How dare they be so greedy!
*eye-roll*
-TL2Q
“Oh! How dare they be so greedy!
*eye-roll*”
I suppose you don’t like inheritance tax either
*eye-roll*
Do you remember the yarn about “Robin Hood”…
Which ride in particular do you refer to?
What kind of hippy-communist country charges 500 euros for a
OT: An interesting extended interview with Abkahz, leader of the ’15’ Battalion in Donbass. It contains some interesting insights on the motivation and actions of his group, along with views on Minsk, the future of Ukraine, the coming war (“America never finances peace”).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTz8wjsWwgY
Watching this Abkhahzi, so humble and yet so articulate in what he says, is a heart-lifting experience. The difference from his counterparts of US/NATO ilk could not be greater.
Which also explains how a small army made of these people could front and push back the so-called Ukrainian forces – let alone the dirty corrupted puppets behind the whole operation on behalf of their zio masters.
For, notwithstanding all the grandstanding, the pomp and the bragging, US/Euro armies are made up of mercenaries and/or traitors to their own poeple, as in Lithuania.
“his is also where right wing cultural analyses are dead wrong: German and other European elites are in no way interested in creating a homogenized society in which the immigrants and existing population blend together and lose their respective cultures.”
-Kinda agree with that, but only on a top-level, on the top level the elites probably doesn’t care at all, they only care about money, and ideology is just a tool they use to control populations and push their agenda.
But on the mid-level that is not true, there are plenty of white genocide ideologues in the management level of the western world, a quick google and you can find top elites from all countries proclaiming the glory of whites becoming a minority and how whites deserve what they get for various supposed reasons.
Then there are also those brainwashed more moderate anti whites that does not necessarily support white genocide out of anti white hatred, but just actually has swallowed the entire concept of the multiculti ideology and believes that mass immigration and race mixing is unavoidable and it will happen anyway and it is just natural and “evolution” for white and only white countries to be flooded and subsumed by non-white immigration and anyone that opposes native European people becoming a minority in their countries is just an uneducated,redneck, ignorant racist savage, which lacks the cognitive abilities to appreciate the subtle nuances of vibrant diversity millions of arab and african muslims bring to European societies.
Hullo there,
Been following The Saker’s writings on the theme of refugees here for a while, and its repercussions in other blogs such as The Lifeboat News, etc. Excellent stuff, and a needed voice from other perspectives, not just The Saker but other guest posters.
Would just like to add another voice to look out for: Gearóid Ó Colmáin. Just in case anyone’s missed him.
Here he is on The “German Question”:
http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-return-of-the-german-question/
Also another one out last night:
Pseudo-leftist Cognitive Policing on Race
http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/02/pseudo-leftist-cognitive-policing-on-race/
Nice title, though as an old lefty from yonks ago I prefer calling them The Left Behind.
The latter link has loads of good stuff on Zionists and the Bolsheviks. I’m sure The Saker might have a lot to say on that one.
Cheers
What a BS. Written from someone without any inside view, lack of economic as well as geopolitcs understanding. If it would be not such a ridiculous text I would simply call it a sad piece of a left loser who is simply racial motivated. Please read moderation policy about use of caps … sentence in all caps removed …. mod-hs
@Wolf: The clueless loser joke-person, who is it???
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fachkraeftemangel
Wolf, you are evidently offended by something Purple Library Guy says, but you don’t quote any part of his comment to dissect or refute it, and you offer no contrary, better analysis that anyone here could weigh against his.
He doesn’t pretend to understand it all, but he ends with
“One thing that there can be no dispute about though: The bottom line is that ultimately all these refugees are a form of blowback. If the EU were to stop helping the US attack and destabilize these countries and refuse to give them diplomatic cover for such actions, they would ultimately see far fewer refugees.”
which is surely correct.
Are you upset because Assad hasn’t fallen yet, and some Syrians are even returning to Syria? You assert racial motivation in his post, but I see none. So your post makes no sense to me.
To “Comment by Purple Library Guy”
Fantastic and spot on analysis. This is exactly what Western Europe wants, a new exploitable slave class without rights and living in constant fear.
We experienced this first hand in The Netherlands where I as a EU citizen had to save my refugee wife out of the clutches of a human trafficking corrupt Dutch Police department.
Many more women and children in the thousands have gone missing, disappearing right out of Asylum centers only to be found heavily drugged & sedated in the brothels of Antwerpen, Belgium or in the Sexual ESCORT services of London. etc.
Refugees have become the new slave trade, a commodity to be exploited and abused.
Refugees are lucky enough not to end up in pieces in the massive organ trade business of Europe or to be used as guinea pigs in illegal criminal medicine trials of untested medications.
In The Netherlands an intricate human trafficking network is operating with, Corrupt Police, Corrupt Asylum officials, Corrupt Mayors with extensive cover up schemes and vile defamation of character campaigns against spouses who by chance find their loved ones being exploited or prevent them from disappearing into forced prostitution.
Refugees to Europe has opened a new chapter in the modern day slave trade.
When refugees disappear as in 20.000 refugee children plus many more vulnerable women and many more, no one notices and no one cares. Always the mysterious human traffickers are blamed but in fact in The Netherlands government officials, Corrupt police with their associate Motorcycle Gangs and Eastern European business partners covered by payed off local Judges on the take are the real perpetrators of a modern day Dutch slave trade. All this under the noses of Interpol which head office is located in The Hague along with the International criminal court. Just like the Church used to present itself as a moral institution while tens of thousands of children were sexually abused in the Netherlands by priests. Similarly the modern Dutch government agencies are equally taking advantage of the misleading propaganda that The Netherlands is a democratic, liberal, multicultural society based on freedom of expression & mutual respect. I wager the guess that The Netherlands is by far the biggest human trafficker of refugees into forced labor & prostitution and drug pusher through Rotterdam harbor to the rest of Europe.
The Netherlands seems to be the place to go missing with direct involvement of corrupt police and government subsidized apathetic organizations claiming to help refugees.
“This is exactly what Western Europe wants, a new exploitable slave class without rights and living in constant fear.”
-*Elites of western Europe. We west Europeans certainly do not want them, not as slaves, not as neighbors, not as workers or farmers, not as leaders or scientists. We just want to live with our own people and culture in peace and security.
The joke is entirely on Merkel’s deluded EU subjects. They try to pose as blameless little people only asking humbly for being left alone, but can’t get through their thick skulls that peoples abroad have a much stronger case against them. To their deep chagrin, Western imperialism kindly asks them to put up or shut up.
Long story short: European Monopoly Capital (with EU as its political clout) has seized a most promising opportunity made possible by the violently insane Ziofascists in the US and a compliant Western stooge in Turkey.
More specifically concerning the lavishly salaried EU apparatchiki (Eurocrats), they don’t give a hoot about Europe itself. They form part of a political organization by and for European Monopoly Capital, totally committed to neoliberalism, imperialism, and all-out reaction. In other words: poor little Merkel, Cameron, Tsipras, and what-have-you won’t ever “see reason” — or rather: they “see reason” as per the rulers of the Global Free Market. On this basis, they are all ears to each and every ugly whim/desire of Pindo or Euro Big Capital; the former primarily on international issues (Russia, Ukraine, China, NATO, Syria), the latter primarily on domestic issues (labour laws, deregulations, privatisations, immigration). To wit: when Pindo Big Capital first tells the Eurocrats that “we expect you to join forces to oust Assad”, they’ll obey right away; no problem. And then when Euro Big Capital tells the very same Eurocrats that “we expect you to cooperate with Erdogan and grant instant asylum en masse to whatever people wish to settle here”, they’ll obey that as well, albeit not likely feeling too happy about it. However, being the very well-rewarded spineless lackeys and poodles of Big Finance that they are, there’s not much they can do about it.
To get back to where I started: The Eurocrats are firmly in the pockets of the plutocracy whose tender loving care for any grovelling Western middle classes and labour aristocracies is pure fiction. The populist Right is thriving thanks to these strata of “blameless little people only asking humbly for being left alone”. It will fail miserably, believe me.
“But the point for US and international elites of the United States remaining hegemon is so that pro-corporate, anti-labour policies can continue to be enforced worldwide.”
That is an excellent point Along with the geo-political chaos we are witnessing is the third-worldization of all nations (to paraphrase Dr. Michael Parenti) including the “advanced” economies of the western world. It’s been in motion for a long time now. In the US we’ve had the trade deals (NAFTA etc) The hollowing out of industry and manufacturing, outsourcing, and a steady flow of immigrants. (Now I have never been opposed to anyone wanting a better life, I would do the same in that position)
I agree, the economic agenda of the financial elites is definitely a component of the refugee crisis in Europe.
Just thinking…..cheap refugees ,cheap labour, can never afford health insurance, can never save up for pensions…if you don’t pay in for social payments retirement you can’t take out is becoming more prevalent….and could save a lot o gove rnment money being payed out..impoverishes existing pension schemes……people smuggling in europe has over the last ten to fifteen years has sort of become consolidated for all, creating illegal grey economies yet the drug/porn market is ever increasing…….easier for illegal money laundering….lots of anti refugee protest all over europe this weekend especially probably going to increase….could the manipulation of more refugees be to initiate not just cultural differences but actually lead to cultural confrontation that we see signs of already but lead to “warfare” of a kind….creating zombie lands…….that might please a certain large insular collection of states…..creating even more demand for their defensive industries…….that their TTIP might be most useful in consolidating all this for their corporate profit? Creating ever more dependancy on corporate America as clearly sanctions by them are severely denigrating the eu to reduce it to an everspreading baseline of employment and work and economy(ie France economic emergency)…..the cost of returning refugees eg Sweden 80000 is gonna be impossible as well as impractical……7000 just waiting in Calais waiting to come across the Channel…..uk politics in stalemate….over eu membership and where immigration is a large part of this question that is turning to paralysis surely……
Just trying to put some thoughts together but feel very confused but maybe that is the “effect” that we are being manipulated into……..the reality of migration versus compassion for genuine refugees who must escape such terrible situations as Syria.
“They want immigrants, sure–but they want them impoverished, isolated, scared, and ideally constituting a brand new social division to be exploited”.
Completely agree with the above statement in support of which, Christine Lagarde of the IMF is already suggesting that the massive influx of refugees should be treated legally as being separate from EU citizens and that employers should “temporarily” offer them work at below the minimum wages stipulated by law in Europe.
You can just see where this is going. Britain had the exact same problem with the influx of Polish workers who ended up undercutting the indigenous work force (why pay an exorbitant amount for an English plumber when a polish one will do the job for far cheaper) thereby leading to resentment against “foreigners taking our jobs”. You get the exploited foreigners, the resentful suddenly out of work natives, all at each others throats and the only ones laughing all the way to the bank are the companies and elites.
As of right now, YPG forces are 10 km away from liberating Manbij. Even less in taking Turkish logistics hub in Syria.. Looks like the Kurds will have federalism before Osama bin waden leaves the white house..
PKK/YPG Anthem Kurdish Russian Song: Polyushka Polye – Rojava is my Heart
This patriotic song of PKK, YPJ and YPG Kurdish Fighters is based on the Soviet/Russian song of: Polyushka Polye (Song Of Plains) as an insperation in the fight against ISIS (Islamic State) and the Turkish Military’s occupation of North Kurdistan.
Artist: Bengi Agıri
Song: Roj avayê dıl (Rojava is my Heart)
https://youtu.be/HkmK3rRNwEc
I agree with PLG and had commented amongst similar lines as I seen them do the very same thing in the US..
Reuters says that, now the Syrian army is poised to take control of the city, ‘refugees’ are fleeing Aleppo . Are those ‘refugees’ or should we call them ‘rebels’?
Lets just say these are “refugees” I personally would not want anywhere near my neighbourhood.
[Part I]
While I don’t disagree with your take, Purple Library Guy, I think the reasons for the EU plutocrats to allow these “refugee” into Europe is a multi-layered one.
And, oh yes, ultimately, it is about cheap labor and lower wages, trouble with that argument is that these refugees are largely unemployable. Something like 85% of them, I think, was the figure a guest on RT quoted some days ago.
For starters; any job that requires to know the local language is pretty much out of the question to these people.
That’ll take to teach them the language which, will cost money and it’ll take time: a year, at a bare minimum.
The only things they could do are jobs that don’t require to know the language; street sweeping, recycle sorting, factory work, fruit picking, cleaning jobs (but: good luck with that last one since these entitled Muslim men think cleaning is a woman’s job and therefore beneath them….)
Even if they’re already trained in some skilled trade that doesn’t require to know the language, say; brick-laying, plumbing, that sort of thing… this will also be out of the question since you need EU certified qualifications for that and a) they’re not cheap to get b) again: it takes time to acquire them, lots of studying, lots of tests… and for that you need to know the language anyways!
That’s why I believe in this 85% unemployability figure and quite frankly, I suspect that’s a rather conservative number.
Therefore; this is where I believe you’re absolutely correct! This is – among other things that I’ll try to decipher shortly – about creating a permanent underclass.
An underclass that will prey on the working class, particularly the blue collar.
This underclass will serve the neo-feudalist plutocrat’s agenda just by existing!
1– it’ll serve as a reminder to the working class of where they could end-up if they don’t toe the line and do whatever the employers request of them.
2– like with all underclasses; it’ll be a breeding ground for criminality, which in turn gives the security services and police an excuse to swell their numbers and request more funds (and more draconian powers too) from the taxpayers.
3– it serves as a means to get rid – on the quiet – of “failures.”
^What do I mean by that?
From ‘their’ perspective: “failures” are people who have been born into the middle or working classes, but for some reason they fell on hard times…
….OR they’re people the establishment has no use for.
But, no matter their class background may be, failures are to be ‘disappeared’ quietly into the underclass.
Last but not least…
4– either if someone was born in the underclass, or in any of the other classes but “failed” and ended-up in the underclass and at a later date they’ve climbed out of the underclass: they land a good-ish job, re-trained, managed to get a mortgage (etc)….
These one-in-a-million cases will be heralded as saints among swine. Propagandized in tear-jerker Reality-TV shows or MSM articles as the epitome of model citizens…
…model drones more like…. :/
The unstated, but very clear subtext message behind the life-affirming, happy ending story will be: don’t ever question the ‘system’ [capitalism], the ‘system’ works! Period.
If you’re unhappy or “failing” at this [rigged] game is all down to your own goddamn fault, because: you’re not trying hard enough.
-TL2Q
[to be continued…]
Hi TL2Q,
very good thoughts, especially part a) of todays article.
I’m looking forward for the continuation.
You are of course right: Most don’t come for work, they come for a free lunch.
And until now they get everything paid and sweet candy blown in their a*** by the German gov, while a normal German may easily end like this: https://www.google.de/search?q=obdachlose+deutschland&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU0dmPwubKAhUIZCwKHbL4DeIQ_AUICCgC&biw=1280&bih=885
Some Twitter accounts managed mostly from the UK tell them, that Germany is the land of milk and honey and that nobody needs to work here but simply gets everything from the authorities.
Everybody can get a house and so on and so on.
While indeed – so far they get free health care without ever having paid in a single penny.
If you are a German, this means you only get emergency treatment under certain conditions, if at all. They get everything for free.
An entire Migration Industry is meanwhile living from them (on tax payer’s cost, aka added zeros to the german national debt).
%m
“They get everything for free.”
Maybe a bit exaggerated?
One of your Google search results says „Fast drei Viertel der Wohnungslosen sind männlich, jeder zehnte ist unter 18 Jahren alt und fast 30 Prozent der erwachsenen Wohnungslosen haben einen Migrationshintergrund“, so Minister Schneider.
http://www.wn.de/Muensterland/1578948-Deutlich-mehr-Obdachlose-733-Menschen-in-Muenster-ohne-Wohnung
Google translation: “Almost three-quarters of homeless people are male, one in ten is under 18 years old and almost 30 percent of the adult homeless population have an immigrant background,” said Minister Schneider.
said Minister Schneider
@ Ted 99
“[..] Google translation: “Almost three-quarters of homeless people are male, one in ten is under 18 years old and almost 30 percent of the adult homeless population have an immigrant background,” said Minister Schneider.”
Daw… ain’t that cute?
Too bad it didn’t read 100 “percent of the adult homeless population have an immigrant background.” [one can wish though, right? …*crossing fingers*]
Listen up! Whoever you are… there’s a reason why an old saying goes like this: charity begins at home.
[End of!]
You sort out your own home-made problems first before you even begin to pretend that you have any resources left to deal with other peoples’ problems.
-TL2Q
2Legit:”The unstated, but very clear subtext message behind the life-affirming, happy ending story will be: don’t ever question the ‘system’ [capitalism], the ‘system’ works! Period.
If you’re unhappy or “failing” at this [rigged] game is all down to your own goddamn fault, because: you’re not trying hard enough.”
That certainly sounds like the American Way!
If you have any problems, regardless of where they came from, deal with it!! it’s your fault. No help climbing out of the gutter from Society. Society doens’t owe you J. S.
BUT, still there seems to be a problem with this argument. Because Europe is NOT the “land of opportunity.” As you say, there aren’t really any jobs for these people. Well, maybe agricultural workers? miners? The reason they are there is because Europe, esp. France, Germany, and Scand, is the land of the Social Democratic state and social welfare. The migrants won’t have to work for quite a long time. Isn’t that why many of them want to get to Northern Yurp? There they will be offered training programs, etc., language programs—even if they return to their home countries, they will be in better shape than many of the people who stayed put and didn’t get any useful Globe-oriented skills.
So something doesn’t compute. Unless the idea is to pull the rug out from under the migrants as soon as they arrive and kind of trap them. Btu as long as there is any level of social welfare, they will be a cost to teh state, seems to me. So, a net negative.
Katherine
[Part II]
I did check through my old text files – because I had a ready-made text for this particular subject I wrote some time ago… but Alas! I can’t find it :/ (Sorry folks)
(* My old post was mainly about how the banksters, after over-fleecing the Euro natives with debt… now, they’re finding the natives have nothing else to give, so… they’re looking for new costumers. Hence: enter the fresh supply of warm bodies; a.k.a…. “refugees”)
–
In any case, this article points to yet another possible layer about what this ‘Refugee Crisis’ is about….
.
The Weaponisation of the Refugee
“A population explosion in London in the 16th and 17th centuries provided much of the impetus behind the colonisation of America. Over two-thirds of the first settlers in North America were indentured servants, 75 percent of whom were young men under the age of 25. The youth were needed to expand the labour capacity of the Empire’s colonies. The settler culture, imbued with religious fanaticism and a complex of superiority, did not take long to decimate the native American population [..]”
“In seventeenth century Ireland the British government settled lands in the northern province of Ulster with Protestant and Presbyterian settlers who lived in fear of the Catholic neighbours they had displaced. It was an imperial policy of divide and rule which lasted for centuries. In the nineteenth century, famine and mass emigration from Ireland to America were caused by the British state’s refusal to allow Irish peasants the right to eat the fruit of their labour. The mass migrations benefited the emerging ruling class of the United States who required cheap labour as well as the British government who wanted to reduce the population of Ireland. In other words, mass migration enabled the trans-Atlantic Anglo Saxon financial elite to turn the very social and economic problems they had created to their own advantage. The loss for Ireland was irreparable [..]”
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BTW, you really need to read the whole article to get the full feeling of it.
LINK:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44111.htm
-TL2Q
Infact, that quote is part of a tremendously enriching series by Gearóid Ó Colmáin being published at dissidentvoice.org (currently on its 7th of 11 part)
Reading through it becomes obvious to myself how my lack of systematic studying of the issues limits actual comprehension and extent of realities (and I spend a good chunk of my free time reading, perhaps even too much). It is sobering the complexity reality is imbued with and the effort required to make it accessible… knowing I can only keep pushing through. I wish you all the same determination.
being published at dissidentvoice.org (missing http:// messing with the link)
Could you please include some text with your link in future. Just a link does not provide substance for discussion after all. Also, it is more difficult to separate your post from spam. Thanks a lot. mod PS
A few interesting articles today:
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160207/1034376463/merkel-contact-reality.html
Merkel in deep trouble over refugee crisis – losing contact with reality.
Also in Germany, groping live on tv in Cologne:
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160207/1034374385/female-reporter-groped-live-tv-cologne.html
The Russians however – don’t take any prisoners when it comes to their women:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/refugees-harass-women-russian-nightclub-are-promptly-beaten-and-sent-prison/ri12684
Merkel continues to lose the plot:
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/merkel-blames-failure-of-syrian-peace.html
I wonder how many of these refugees from Aleppo are Isis/Al Nusra/Traitors etc. and their families. Who are Turkey and Germany to tell the Syrian Government what to do at their own border?…..you can see how Merkel is now trying to pass the buck to Russia for the refugees – take the heat off her mediocrity and own failings….. oh and lets get NATO surveillance in too…….
Adam and Eve were the first refugees according to Patriarchy News.
The Patrix needed slaves to run their New World Order.
The Eden love culture was a wonderful invention of advanced lovers from who knows where. It lasted about 25,000 years before patriarchal hunters started killing everything in sight, starting with animals and women.
Patrix presstitutes blamed it all on Eve because she enjoyed her fruit and sex. They needed an enemy but Russia was not there.
So they invented God who was everywhere, and was on their side.
Patriarchs were around long before the Jewish patriarchs who in their ignorance put their name to the game. Big time damage control psy-ops sprang to the rescue.
The violator became the victim, and the other way around. The disinfo campaign has become so successful that Patriarchy is now invisible and dismissed if the notion is even raised.
Well, the feminists tried but they soon got the backlash Eve treatment.
Patriarchy invented marriage and the war of the sexes. Guess who got to be on top?
The Patrix turned womem into woMEN and the matri-focal love culture into the maligned Matrix. The Nulands of the world show just how insidious patriarchy programming is.
Women’s brains are way more sophisticated than men’s and when they go bad men are had every which way.
Patriarchy is not just the invisible elephant in the room. It is the room.
Fortunately, a black room can be lit up with one tiny candle. A sunlit glass house can only be blackened with gallons of black paint.
You’ve got to give the patriarchs credit, though. Who else can turn the daytime black?
OK, go and quibble with words. Black by any other name is still black.
As a fellow/ess, Annonnymy, said recently and I quote: “How can we recognize the enemy if we don’t even know how to call it?”
Truth is the correspondence between words and reality. War starts with thought-words, and in war truth is the first casualty, and causality is the second.
Our lover ancestors from beyond space-time invented us as an experiment to see if we could handle freedom. They gave us loverarchy but in 25,000 short years we turned it into patriarchy, and then into the biggest black-out of all time.
We’re running out of time and it’s not looking good on the western front but there still is time. I pray that love will return just in time to prevent our extinction.
It all started in a vineyard garden according to the stories of virtually all cultures. Maybe this vineyard has been given mission impossible: to put the world right-side up.
“The time is out of joint
Oh cursed spite
That ever I was born
To set it right!”
-Hamlet
And the devil…he doesn’t exist…right.?
There is no Armageddon…right.?
Wars and rumours of wars.?
No…it is not happening.!
We are not chained to the wheel of time…are we.?
We have control…don’t we.?
Blind we walk to our doom.!
” In a broader sense, there is no bigger wheel than the desire to get some cheap labour. The entire point of modern elite-driven political economy is to get cheap labour and make sure it stays that way. ”
The author of this comment seems to miss one major flaw in his argument.
By undercutting the ” natural, somewhat balanced, wage structure of a society; You’re essentially destroying its middle class. Without a middle class, a society’s economic engine essentially collapses, resulting in a severe lack of “consumers” for corporate products. This seems like a suicidal path for members of the corporatocracy, unless, we are all missing the bigger picture here. This process seems to be happening simultaneously across all western, “white”, societies. Leading one to believe that it is controlled and intentional.
Most European governments do not seem to care what their own people want and are completely ignoring the average European.
That however does not change the fact that European human trafficking networks include corrupt police, corrupt Judges, corrupt Mayors & politicians who profit directly and even organize this new human trafficking slave trade.
Again and again such slime as ex Dutch minister of Justice Joris Denmink a Pedophile rapist of Turkish boys & after that Opstelten & Teeven 2 more Ministers of justice Money laundering , whitewashing of drugs money etc paint a clear picture. They got caught but no punishment whatsoever.
Dutch corrupt politicians and corrupt police at high levels have been continuously and repeatedly caught red handed involved with organized crime.
That many Europeans prefer to live with their own kind in general everyone knows, but in the case of Dutch politicians, they do not care.
Most only care to make money on the backs of the vulnerable and destitute who have no where to go to complain. Easy for Dutch officials to rape and abuse some refugees who shortly after complaining are deported from The Netherlands.
The terrible thing is, that when you traumatize & abuse people like that who are easily taken advantage of, you psychologically create the next generation of terrorists. Why is it that mostly vulnerable minorities left to join terrorist organizations! The Dutch government has been world leader nr 1 in screwing any minority living in The Netherlands they could since the so called end of slavery. Slavery never ended!
Greeks, Italians, Turks 1961 invited, Marokkans 1969 Invited. lets not forget Indonesians, Indo Europeans, Aruba, Curacao, Bonaire citizens, Poles, Bulgarians, Rumanians. And now The Netherlands is bitching louder than most lecturing Russians on human rights while foreigners in The Netherlands are murdered on national T.V. and refugees are dying in Asylum centers. Just in recent history over 9000 young Asylum seekers were found to have been mysteriously re-located to brothels. The Netherlands keeps telling people locally that the country cant handle any more refugees but Dutch Foreign minister Bert Koenders tells Turkey to open its borders to Syrians. By the way I used to volunteer in Asylum centers and have seen the misery inside. Refugees were told by white Dutch racist staff to shit on the shower floor and S the F up. Its called “öntmoedigings” beleid or “wegpest centrum” please google these words. The Netherlands should stop lecturing Russia, Poland, Hungary etc everyone else and stop doing multi billion dollar business with Saudi Arabia trading, while Saudi Arabia sends hate imams globally to promote salafism and wahabism.
If you can read Dutch read this report by the Dutch National Ombudsman (since fired) about the NAZI behaviour of the Dutch state. The German AFD, & Pegida are sweethearts and likable mainstream folks who just love their country compared to the present Dutch government racist fascist bastards who like to invite Ukraines Chocolate daddy Pornochenko from Kiev to The Hague to improve Dutch concentration camps for refugees with his right sector Nazi friends.
The problem is not the refugees, its the government which are playing refugees against local citizens while the politicians steal everything they can including pensions. Its a sick distraction tactic. Notice how hardly any other issues are spoken about in the news like government corruption when they jack off about refugees? Who brought those refugees to Europe and who let them in? The European governments did. Colonel Ghadaffy of Libya warned Europe about the refugee tsunami to come if they killed him and he must be laughing himself a party hat from the beyond about whats happening right now.
Welcome to the new Bilderberg world Order. https://www.nationaleombudsman.nl/uploads/2013-125_rapport_medische_zorg_vreemdelingen_webversie_0.pdf
The Dutch Ombudsman was relieved of office as was the child ombudsman recently.
Criticism is not tolerated in Naziland NL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHMiJbGpXnw
Until some strict compliance about lobby’s and big money bribes errr donations gets put in place to stop this, no one will care about the average person. Because the average person does not donate enough to matter. It is the corporations and lobbyists that put big money into the hands of politicians to further their agendas. Now we can say well there is no support from the people for these kind of policies, but that big money places tv spots and interviews on to the front page and tv news reports while we never hear or see those working for the common man anywhere. Which is also why the voting percentage is so low because there is no one we want to vote for. But that is most likely not because there is no one we like but because we just don’t know.
Soros gives 7 million to Hillary.. How many people would it require to give that much money to a candidate? Now on the other hand, we have big political parties which gets paid by foreign governments hand out freebees to further their agendas in places like india. What they do is, they pay voters to vote for them and then they follow what the policies of the people who paid them are. Again it has nothing to do with what the people want. The US has not got that bad but it is close enough. Buying votes from both politicians and people. I bet we will see the same MO in south America. Now that the leftists governments there are unable to buy the public vote.. The people actually have very little say anywhere is what happens. Money buys votes and seats..
“The problem is not the refugees, its the government which are playing off the refugees against the locals”.
Spot on you got that 100% right. Unfortunately you do have a lot of brain dead moronic far right idiots who post on this thread who buy into what their governments are doing in a xenophobic knee jerk reaction against foreigners, who just want “to be left alone to live peacefully among their own kind”, Jesus, what a bunch of wixers.
Europe, (and the rest of the world) is under attack by the global financial elite, but a lot of people are too stupid and innately racist to identify who is attacking them and why.
know the truth
You are not telling the truth in this case,”a lot of brain dead moronic far rights idiots” it sounds as coming from someone from the far left – which in Germany is controlled by Merkel & Co.
Excellent series on European migration by Gearoid O’Colmain:
http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/coercive-engineered-migration-zionisms-war-on-europe/
O’Colmain and Scott Creighton on radio: Creighton comes in at 34″ and O’Colmain at 45″.
mp3.logosradionetwork.com/INN/64k/INN_Radio_2016-01-28_64k.mp3
Germany can’t afford to have a low wage labor force. The fallout from the idiotic anti-Russian sanctions are still in effect. Their major companies are laying off workers. And they are on the verge of dire straits like the rest of the world as the global economy continues to tank.
This has everything to do with a corrupt and incompetent servile German government (and the voters and those that put up with it). Germany could have easily recruited immigrants throughout the world to move there to, at the very least, keep their birthrates from falling. But they didn’t.
Now there are young single men, many of whom have combat experience fighting for a bad cause, living in Germany, having no fear of clownish German authorities or its weak, sterile populace. This is more like mafia and insurgent material rather than slave material.
Let’s face it. Germany is a pathetic colony state that is little more than American toilet paper. They have been providing direct and indirect support to the Americans and have lost with them, and their laughable military of broomstick wielding drunks are less dangerous than room furniture.
On top of that, they aren’t having children. They aren’t having children because even German women are disgusted with timid, weak slob German males. These losers spend their lives living off of Slav and other immigrant labor while spending most of their time watching sports, porn, video games, and harassing women.
They were fine with helping the Americans with their decades of war. Fine with skimming off the American made financial benefits. Fine with being spied on by the Americans and their own govenrment. They are fine with just following orders. Fine with ruining Russian-German relations for the worst of reasons…
But then they shit their pants about people setting off fire works on New Years Eve (described it as “civil war.” lol), make up fake rape attacks, get caught doing so but keep playing make believe that they aren’t total frauds. Now even their own women are calling them the liars that they are, and then the men wail and squeal about “feminists.”
German women will inevitably start marrying and having families with the refugees while German men continue to drink themselves to death and generally fade into self-imposed irrelevance. Their noise parades organized by Hitler-costume-selfie degenerates will do nothing. Their attacks against refugees will be disastrous for the attackers.
If there was some kind of campaign by the German elite to import slaves (there is no campaign) it would have little to do with slave labor and more to do with social engineering. They want to dispose of nonperforming, high cost German males and replace them with potent, low cost males that are not sterile. It will probably work but not in the way that the dying German elite will expect or want.
ha ha ha, I very much enjoyed reading what you wrote.
I am a German man from abroad, a third generation product of Hitlers campaign for my Grossmutti grandma to have 12 children.
I just stopped drinking, am avoiding video games, hate Fussbal and will do my best to get my refugee wife pregnant. ill also make it a point to buy the biggest, noisiest most dangerous fireworks for Sylvester to display my fading manlihood. Heck ill spend all night outside in my undershorts with a USSR flag on my payama trousers.
Wait a moment. come to think of it I am taking part of the foreign invasion and Demographic Tsunami destroying Germany as my children will be half Asian.
But then again my German “Grossmutti” Grandmother lied and did not tell the Nazis of her possible 50% distant French dna background. She conned them with her Aian Uebermensch background
Ill ask my Asian wife to come and cheer on Pegida and the AFD for a happy weekend outing. That should confuse people.
I completely agree with you. Unfortunately i now feel as if I am one of the very few virile German men who just exited the foreign jungles back to Germany. I am willing to impregnate many German women on a volunteer basis via test tube babies with my superior genetic Falthough polluted DNA via the Zivieldienst if called upon by the German state. However i want to be compensated. A nice apartment in Moscow, Krasnodar or Crimea would be acceptable compensation. If Germany is becomming a refugee Muslim state we will ask for Asylum somewhere in Orthodox mother Russia and ill start a German museum in Crimea wtith displays on Atlantis, Aztecs, Incas, the (Ausgestorbene Deutschen) gone distinct Germans and a display of the distinct new Zealand DODO bird. Come to think of it I will refer to myself and any sexually reproducing German men that are left out there as The DODO bird Germans. Let it be a warning. I am now asking my refugee princess wife for permission to donate my Uebermensch dna for massive cloning production. After that I might ask my offspring to march on Poland, for a vacation off course. Anyways I am joining the AFD as soon I know if they will take my Asian wife as a member also. Then I go on a vacation to sunny Russian Crimea. And to anyone who thinks I am a Nazi I say. “alles hat ein ende nuer Die Wurst hat zwei” Jawohl mein Schatz Deutschland ist vorbei. Duch du must nicht traurig sein. Alles geht einmal zu ende. Non German speakers can Google it.
“I ll ask my Asian wife to come and cheer on
Pegida and the AFD for a happy weekend
outing. That should confuse people.”
Lol!
And they say Germans have no sense of humour…:O
“German women will inevitably start marrying and having families with the refugees while German men continue to drink themselves to death [etc]” + “They want to dispose of nonperforming, high cost German males and replace them with potent, low cost males that are not sterile”
German ladies are pretty, educated, sophisticated, and many hold good-paying professional careers, why on Earth would they want to marry these fugly, uneducated, unemployed and potentially violent Neanderthals?
Here’s an assignment for you, go and check the husbands of rich white actresses, come back and report how many of them married Arab-looking men.
I predict the count will be either; insanely low or close to zero.
From the top of my head, the only famous case I can think of is Lady Diana going out with that Egyptian guy, and to this day… I have no idea what the hell she saw on him. But then again… she was married to that inbred, elephant-ears Charles, so, it’s pretty obvious the poor woman never had good taste in men.
I live in a country with no shortage of arab-looking men and I have yet to see a white woman walking down the street holding hands with one of them. When it comes to mixed-race couples; I do see a lot of white women with black partners, but most of those men are evidently handsome, so I can sort of see where these women are coming from.
It’s funny how some men think all women want is virile macho-men. Women can’t possibly want; good looking, educated, sophisticated, respectful, caring men… oh, and white too!
Noooo! That’s poppycock! They want them ugly (the uglier the better: FACT!) and potent, I tell you! /end sarc.
-TL2Q
anyone know what is happening re Donbass refugees that went to eg Rostov etc, are they coming back, Donbass is continually announcing success with its rebuilding and reconstruction……….?
Maybe waiting until end of winter? Not checked out eg Graham Phillips website recently………….
Four words: Reserve army of labor.
We call them rebels when they shoot at their elected government. We call them terrorists when we bomb them. We call them refugees when they are over here.
Explosive leak: confidential docs on the discussions between Tusk, Juncker and Erdogan in their meeting in November on the refugee crisis.
Erdogan is holding the EU by its balls and Tusk is pleading for mercy.
“To be or not to be, that is the question.” Indeed, indeed, indeed.
Read the title of the article and no comments, sorry, am unwell, but have had time to think. So,, propped up, pen to paper:
Unnatural Selection
Shouldn’t I be a man by now
Shouldn’t I be sort of
Bigger?
Surely I should be sort of bigger
Men who are thin
Have something about them
That still makes them look
Like men
Shouldn’t I at least
Be thin like them?
Surely by now I should be
And some men seem to get forearms
Even if they lie motionless
From the day they’re born
Well I’ve got a bone
To pick with them
In fact I’ve got bones
To pick with everyone
Charles Darwin can you hear me?
CBP
(The final line is a cry from the heart of one sensing the damming untruths of “natural selection”. The rest is the reason for this, of which I could write an article ;)
re anon 1:07 pm UTC
no article, but a bit of elaboration:
his question is my brothers question, my friends and my sons and my friends son’s question
what has the unnatural selection of natural selection done to us?
if you read the last line of the poem carefully, more than once, maybe you will understand this desperation at the hideous lie of darwinism.
nothing confirms the truth of this theory of evolution, nothing.
what can the lie do, other than box people up
create frustration, anger, resentment
and warring?
what is freedom: individuation
what is life : rhythm, growth and development
will we find this?
yes we will
cbp
Could be a lot of trouble coming in the empire/Turkey relations. Which might mean Erdogan could be on his way out. We might be seeing the start of the “Sultan’s” demise. He told the US they had the choice of “me or the terrorists” (meaning the Kurds). The empire doesn’t like its “serfs” getting “uppity”. I wouldn’t bet on Erdogan’s rule being long term in Turkey.
https://www.rt.com/news/331711-erdogan-washington-syrian-kurds/
“this comment looks at another reason for the flood of refugees into Germany – cheap labour and political useage”
Cheap labor? LMAO. We already have more than enough jobless in Germany (both domestic and migrants), so that’s a totally moot point. Currently some 7 Mio. on rocka rolla.
As for the political usage, I hardly doubt any of those will become a citizen and get a vote any soon. Whoever writes that nonsense should get his head checked.
Z arrived in Palestine. ME burns, millions die. Z and its lackeys bomb all strong nations.
Z billlionaires finance eg. W2EU.
Aim: Create chaos, create animosity between EU natives and muslims. Just to repeat what has already been achieved in ME.
It is dead simple. The people of Z: Agitators par excellence. Where they walk, hate follows.
All other talk is nonsense.
And death shall have no dominion.
Dead man naked they shall be one
With the man in the wind and the west moon;
When their bones are picked clean and their clean bones gone,
They shall have stars at elbow and foot;
Though they go mad they shall be sane,
Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.
(first verse And Death Shall Have No Dominion by Dylan Thomas)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436831/Send-Austrian-chancellor-demands-EU-border-patrols-return-migrant-picked-trying-reach-Greece-Turkey.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3437717/A-second-wall-razor-wire-stem-human-tide-Macedonia-builds-fence-border-Greece-send-message-migrants-attempts-cross-illegally.html
as they say………..
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160209/1034457619/turkey-merkel-refugee-crisis.html
it ain’t working Merkel what you do…………
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160209/1034468673/erdogan-eu-refugee-deal.html
Erdo threatened a flood of refugees to get money………
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/europe-overwhelmed-by-wave-of-protests.html
wasn’t there some recent talk about Eu ships patrolling seas between Greece and Turkey to return refugees…………
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