Both Purgin (vice PM) and Zakharchenko (PM) of DPR issued statements flatly denying the mass media reports that either LPR or DPR were prepared to accept continued political unity with Ukraine.
Purgin: http://dnr.today/news/pervyj-zampred-pravitelstva-dnr-andrej-purgin-oproverg-soobshhenie-ryada-smi-o-yakoby-gotovnosti-soxranit-edinoe-politicheskoe-prostranstvo-ukrainy/ (in Russian)
Zakharchenko: http://www.rusnovosti.ru/news/338737 (in Russian)
(thanks to Gleb Bazov for these links!)
More about this later.
The Saker
After a bitter and relentless civil war does anybody really think that the Donbass will ever remain in Ukraine? This is just somebody’s meaningless disinformation.
Will LPR and DPR hopefully push these zio oligarchs out of their regions like pUtin pushed them out of Russia? Hopefully Ukrainians will wake up and push out these oligarchs.
I feel good… tanananananana.
To think that all this suffering and pain was for nothing was too much for me to bear
“Aidar” with shooting stormed the Prosecutor’s office in Kharkiv
01.09.2014 – 18:04
In Kharkiv unreality of punitive battalion “Aidar” undertook the assault prosecution Ordzhonikidze district.
“Arrived by jeep and bus – Agency Voenkor.info results in the message social activist Andrei Warts. At first they were in the Military Prosecutor’s office on Klochkovskaya, 228 W – demanded release of their “sister”arrested with weapons including a rifle and grenade launchers) early in the morning at the police post at the entrance to Kharkov in Chuguev track, now busat under radiokulturhaus”.
According to witnesses, the district Prosecutor’s office is shooting from automatic weapons.
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Well an unnecessary upsetting start to my day. Had to be a mis-interpretation of what was proposed. Good to see it denied.
May we carry on with our BBQ?
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Someone did not like this Reuters report. Reuters takes down a damaging article
Porky, according to Reuters that I linked to in one of my comments previous thread Ukie doubleplusgooddoublethink , “stated he intends to replace the “high-level military” commanders whose troops had fled the battlefield”
At this writing, 12:45 EDT NYC, the home page online article is still up–
{Ukraine accuses Russia of ‘open aggression’
KIEV/MOSCOW – Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko accused Russia of “direct and open aggression” which he said had radically changed the battlefield balance as Kiev’s forces suffer major reverses in the war with pro-Moscow separatists. Full Article }
BUT, several attempts to read the Full article one sees this:
Page Not Foundhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/01/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GS10C20140901
An excerpt from article [cut and paste] earlier posted in my comment:
“(Reuters) – [ as] Kiev’s forces suffer major reverses in the war with pro-Moscow separatists. Ukraine’s military said its forces had been ordered to pull back from a vital airport in the east of the country, near the city of Luhansk, where they had been battling a Russian tank battalion. Poroshenko said in a speech there would be high-level personnel changes in the Ukrainian armed forces, whose troops fled a new rebel advance in the south which Kiev’s Western allies say has been backed up by Russian armoured columns. ”
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NAF, Carry on to Odessa. God speed.
AM
I’m curious where the story originally came from. My guess is western msm using Kiev or other ZPC provided distortions. RT unfortunately often uses dubious western media sources for their material which inevitably turn out to have issued falsehoods. This has been an ongoing problem in Russian media which incorporates zionists within the staff, though, obviously not nearly so bad as in western media where zionist run the show completely.
вот так
Beginning @ 12:34 east coast USA time:
Retweeted by Gleb Bazov
@rougek68 I agree. It was a nice trial balloon from NR/RF to make West reveal their hand. No compromise possible. @gbazov
Gleb Bazov @gbazov
Best kind of insider trading? It’s when you make events. Today, #Russian stocks jumped 1.6% on news of the “political unity” proposal to UA.
Gleb Bazov @gbazov
So, back to insider trading. Provided you have sufficient wealth, it is relatively easy to buy some disinfo in mass media. Fill in the rest.
VladTheFluffy says:
Dear Saker
I must admit that my jaw has been sweeping the floor since that piece of nonsense first emerged. Thanks for confirming that this is horsesh*t, it’s aching quite badly now. Since this is such ridiculous horsesh*t it could only have come from the State (of lunacy) Department. I’ll bet they even had trouble getting Jen Psicki and Marie Barff to keep a straight face over this one.
The thought that Novorussia could ever accept being part of Banderastan after the misery and death the latter has heaped on it, and with such evil venemous intent, is so far beyond belief as to make me check whether someone had dropped a Mickey Finn composed of LSD in my cornflakes. Even were the DNR leaders to try to accomplish such a thing, I can’t imagine that the NAF would take more than two minutes to put them up against a wall and shoot them. It would take someone on very strange substances to think that the Novorussians would surrender their weapons and trust a Bandero government with their security now, at least not for the next thousand years. I would have thought that there was a strong and justified feeling in the NAF that they should reduce every city and large town in Western Ukraine, and its infrastructure, to powder.
The only explanation my mind could accept was that the DNR leaders were going to play the US’ game and offer a deal that they knew the enemy couldn’t possibly accept in their wildest dreams, in order to say “Well, we tried to negotiate, look who’s the intransigent party …”. I’ll stick to my thought that the only acceptable result is East of the Dniepr being the extent of Novorussia. Porkoshenko and the West can have the wheatfields and the lunatics.
I must admit that I was rather taken aback by this news and could not believe it to be true. Who is it representing Novorossiya here???
I smell a setup.
So far, Novorossians are doing evrything right, and Ukies evrything wrong. If I was rooting for the Ukrainian side, just by observing events I’d have to assume that every member of the Ukrainian government is a Russian agent. It’s quite remarkable.
To say that Russians and Novorossians are composing one of the most exquisite geopolitical spectacles ever played would still be an understatment.
Obviously, if the trend – NAF gaining in strenth, UAF collapsing – continues, it’s hard see how Ukraine can hold on on its Black Sea coast for more than six more months.
Gleb Bazov @gbazov [@ about 10:30 am USA east coast time]
#ALL – I thought we all learned. Alas, it appears not. STOP THE PANIC. Junta will never accept the proposal. It’s just negotiations tactics.
Gleb Bazov @gbazov [@ about 10:30 am USA east coast time]
…It’s just tactics, so they can later say – look at what we offered! And they refused. It’s classic game theory approach.
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Could please someone tell me why do you negotiate at all, then?
You imply that they know the Junta (their employers) is not going to accept anything short of raping and robbing you (they should also know that whatever deal with that kind of scum is not worth the ink consumed to write it), so…… what is the point in negotiations?
Admittedly, I’m not an expert in game theory, but I would guess that every theory must contain a bit of logic.
So, in essence you are shitting us.
Earlier this morning you wrote that “At talks in the Belarusian capital, the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics have urged Kiev to acknowledge their autonomy within Ukraine, but said they wish to remain an integral part of the country. LNR and DNR representatives urged the Ukrainian government to end their military operation in the country’s east so that parliamentary and local elections can take place freely. “The president, government and [parliament] Verkhovna Rada should accept… decrees granting immediate recovery from the humanitarian catastrophe, acknowledging the special status of the territories under the control of the People’s Republics, creating conditions – first of all stopping the ‘anti-terror’ operations – for free elections of local authorities and MPs,” the document with the republics’ position reads. The document also calls on Kiev to guarantee “the right to use the Russian language at an official level on the territories of the People’s Republics.”
You are parroting the Kremlin’s propaganda, as it is transmitted by RT in this case, without checking any facts.
No word on the Lavrov “unconditional ceasefire” proposal now that the novorussians are winning.
No word on the Putin’s call for “inclusive negotiations inside Ukraine, not granting statehood to Novorossiya, the union of Donetsk and Luhansk republics in the east of the country” as per his spokesman.
Mumbled words on the Strelkov case and his apparent sellout by Russia.
So, what’s the deal here?
johnny peterson @JPexsquaddie 1 hr
“Aidar” battalion had allegedly committed an armed robbery. http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/123030 … … NAZI volunteer battalions show what they R=CRIMINALS
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@gbazov While Aidar NAZI battalion is robbing banks in Ukraine nothing is reported or said!
Thank God. Phew, that is great news.
I thought it was a ploy, to have Kiev reject the 9 points and thus allowing them to say we tried.
But glad there’s no such deal on the table.
RE:“… their DU armored tanks area a lot more durable than all the tanks in the Ukraine theater, which seem to go up like roman candles when hit…”
I forgot to mention the most serious and dangerous actions of using DU. When a tank gets hit, the DU sandwiched between 2 steel plates releases a cloud of uranium dust into the air. Any infantry that passes through the area in the next few days has a very high chance of having kids with 3 eyes.
DU penetration is by the same way, it burns through armor platting. Nothing else even comes close. But the land around the bullet is contaminated for hundreds of years. See Basra in Iraq for kids with 4 eyes.
A10’s fire DU ammo and so does the M1..
The US and EU cares SHT about the places they destroy. If Russia had done this to gronzy, it would be uninhabitable. Cases of cancer in Iraq are 50-100 TIMES normal.. Falluja is radioactive. UN/WHO still says its normal to see kids that look like ogers and one eyes to show up.
Its very very sad to see such misery..
Whats worse is to see how US servicemen who were in the midst of this are also affected. Since the US government says DU is safe, you cant get disability. Yet the proof says otherwise…
Although Russia does use DU, they have come out and said that it causes environmental damage. I think they stopped using DU in almost all cases..
And yes a DU based tandem warhead can blow up an M1.. Just like the T72 you see on col cassad.. The top flies up 50 feet into the air.. But the crew is not harmed at all.. minor injuries requiring some bandaids.. according centcom.
Oh yea, Russia also has some kind of bullet that can go right through an M1 like high caliber bullets go through bullet proof glass.. Seems info is classified by both US and Russia.. Iraqwar had a photo of the neat little hole in an M1 tank that went straight through both sides.. But then nothing on it.
The new Prime Minister DND Alexander Zakharchenko told in an exclusive interview with TV channel “Zvezda” on the progress in the offensive militias. According to him, everything is going well, from the Ukrainian army has already released Elenovka, Lubawka, Andreevka and many other localities under Donetsk. Zakharchenko said that one of the reasons successful offensive – the morale of the soldiers DND and depressive mood in the Ukrainian army.
“The mood is elated, the onset we have been waiting for. And they have full depression, demoralization battalions. People don’t realize that they are fighting. They see how they shoot, how they betray. Desire to fight in the Ukrainian army is almost gone,” said Zakharchenko.
Prime DND said that Ukrainian law enforcers are not averse to capture civilians, often women and children militias. Also, according to Zakharchenko, about 60% of the Ukrainian military is a regular army, recruits, 40% of mercenaries and volunteers.
“The regular troops with respect. We believe that the army always does his duty. As shown, this is the most humane units that do not kill prisoners, not beat them to the state of the corpse,” said Zakharchenko.
The Prime Minister said DND and how soon in Donetsk will be restored to normal life. Preparations for the winter season is already underway. Those people who furnace heating, will provide coal. Also there is a census of the whole boiler, which will be able to start the heating season. According to Zakharchenko, the beginning of the school year in Donetsk transferred on 1 October. He was confident that by this time the city is completely released, and its inhabitants will be safe.
Wouldn’t it be funny if everybody here was a paid intel troll?
You know… the CIA talking to the NSA talking to the FSB talking to the FBI talking to Mossad etc. etc.
It’s not so unlikely. Once you’re online you’re connected to the matrix. Even those of us who are perfectly sincere provide data which is plugged into unbelievably sophisticated algorythms running on unbelievably powerful supercomputers generating shockingly accurate data which is cross referenced with multiple streams of other shockingly accurate data generated in both conceivable and inconceivable ways. The theory of gross incompetence at every level of government is in many ways comforting but it’s basically wrong. It’s not that the people who work in the intel business are so brilliant but rather accurate information is more a matter of trial and error. Sooner or later the doofi who run stuff will have exhausted all wrong answers and come up with what is correct, at least for themselves. So it goes in the world of earth, air, fire and water.
I often wonder if it’s the supposedly stupid people who are actually the smartest of all. Why get bogged down in this despiritualizing illusion when there are plenty of other equally despiritualizing but far more pleasant illusions of which to partake?
Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of dismantling this beast so long as we remain attached to it like gnats on a furry rodent. If I were to offer my most sincere advice to everyone it would be to unplug and focus on fixing the things over which you exercise control. Start by listing and then confronting each of your many addictions and I don’t just mean the obvious addictions to substances or negative behaviours. I mean everything that you do, your every behaviour is basically an addiction. We are attached to our attachments and all of them detract from the spiritual goal which in a better world would be our only important concern.
This is another way of saying that basically we’re fucked. In all of our willing we are willing that which takes us further and further from a state of grace which by definition must be a state of unwilling. You will never die because you were never really alive. It is and always will be just a powerful illusion. At this moment I am wishing a vortex would open up before me and I could step out of this mad house and become something else.
Do you — any of you, understand the reality of what we are confronting? Even when things are manifesting according to our purest and most ardent desire for justice and truth we are entirely deceived. A demiurge is gathering itself and we are completely unable to unwill it. I would do anything to conjure a meaningful Resistance but I can’t even do it within myself. Why is it so?
Time is short and we need a messiah. We need one and want one but already we know he will surely be false. Every single one of us is somewhere on a list. Sooner or later our number will be called. The only way to get off that list is to destroy everything that sustains it. Or else we should dig our own grave and wait patiently to be shot. Whenever I see pictures of large groups of people lining up to be slaughtered I wonder why all of them don’t just rush the guards and at least go down fighting. What is the point of inheriting the earth if it’s six feet under? That cruel proverb must surely have been writen as satire.
Part II
Today I think I understand why people don’t go down fighting. It is because they know it is already much too late. I’m not yet willing to admit we’re there but I’m sure the moment of no return is directly upon us. Even if I could compose a call to arms of Shakespearean proportions it wouldn’t be enough.
So in all seriousness, Mr. Vladimir Putin, please nuke London, UK. If you could do it during a joint meeting of G7 and EU heads of state that would be perfect. They deserve it anyway and probably the lesson would carry us for at least another six or seven decades.
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O glorious Monday. Worthy foe. I have defeated you again.
Hans de Vreij @hdevreij 19 mins
Der Spiegel (Germany) quotes a high-ranking #NATO source and writes that #Ukraine has lost the war http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-nato-haelt-niederlage-fuer-kiew-fuer-sicher-a-989308.html …
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-nato-haelt-niederlage-fuer-kiew-fuer-sicher-a-989308.html
May we carry on with our BBQ?
Yes, but
No sosugaes,
6 NATO officers instead
https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_15181%2Fc84bb788aaa42c5da6
Hell with Ukies, and its allies !
anon said -quote “This has been an ongoing problem in Russian media which incorporates zionists within the staff, though, obviously not nearly so bad as in western media where zionist run the show completely.
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no that is not the problem. the problem is that Rt employs english spy journalists who root for english plotting against russia.
nothing to do with zionists. english are very good in transferring blame on other races.
Против кого сражается Донбасс!
Who the Donbass is fighting with!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202632339076965&set=a.1617571086472.151758.1452215322&type=1
Good.
The Russians and LPR and DPR are generating contradictory information.
But Russia still made an offer for peace.
And Porky won’t be allowed to accept it.
The Empire needs cover for Iraq.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who led the drive for a tougher EU response, said on Monday that Moscow’s behaviour in Ukraine must not go unanswered, even if sanctions hurt the German economy, heavily dependent on imported Russian gas.
“I have said that (sanctions) can have an impact, also for German companies,” Merkel told a news conference in Berlin. “But I have to say there is also an impact when you are allowed to move borders in Europe and attack other countries with your troops,” she said. “Accepting Russia’s behaviour is not an option. And therefore it was necessary to prepare further sanctions.”
Oh wow I was wrong, The anon who made the statement, merkel is the nazi bitch thats the problem was correct after all. I got kicked in the teeth sort off.. This came straight from left flank..
Thanks for clearing this up Saker.
Some great comments and links on this site as well.
Also, I have noticed writers like Pepe Escobar and Dr. Paul Craig Roberts are referencing this site in some of their articles. I also see references and posts on globalresearch.ca and by Prof. Chossudovsky. The recent and sarcastically hillarious post by Orlov has bee circulating as well.
It is good to know we are not alone in this world of post-Orwellian doublethink.
It’s a bit early out here in Pacific time, but I’ll be toasting you all and the NAF this afternoon
Cheers y’all!
If parts of Ukraine rise up and throw out the Nazi’s and form their own Peoples Republics. They could then request to join the Union of Peoples Republics.
Before panicking, everyone should read carefully the so called proposals of DNR and LNR – they are actually a brutal slap in the face of Banderastan Nazis. If Porkyshenko squealed even a word about the possibility to negotiate on these “terms and conditions”, the lunatics he pretends to rule over would tear him to pieces.
– Unconditional amnesty to all in Donbass, including NAF, and release of political prisoners?!
– De facto recognition of DNR and LNR armes forces?!
– Power to appoint prosecutors and judges?!
You could almost hear the sardonic laughter these propositions have been written with. Brilliant. Check and mate.
I’m still smiling. :)))
Vladimir from Bulgaria
Once I saw the comment about Russian stocks going up I thought “AHA!”, I was quite puzzled on the announcement. Probably additional motives for whoever planted this dis/misinfo, but I would assume money as a major motivating factor. I don’t think this story is quite over yet.
How can you tell whether Russia has invaded Ukraine?
http://cluborlov.blogspot.in/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-has.html
Here’s a unique URL of a clip of Colonel Cassad’s just posted 06:07 gruesome video of battle remains that begins at 04:10 with the US $100 bills:
http://youtu.be/2QeAU9EnNZ4?t=4m10s
This fits the Obama-Kerry method of propaganda – make the claim, get it disseminated, and damn the reality. The statement becomes the reality. For example:
Libya: Gaddafi attacks his citizens. WRONG – never corrected
Syria: Regime responsible for poison gas attack. WRONG – never corrected
Ukraine MH 17: Resistance/Rusians responsible. WRONG – never corrected.
The motto is: If we say it, then it’s real.
As an Irish Republican, I dread using phrases like “no surrender” and “never, never, never” but in the case of DPR/LPR, they have to adopt that sort of attitude in the face of globalist fascists who want to see the ethnic Russian peoples dead, enslaved or outright removed from Novorossiyan lands. There simply cannot be surrender to the viciousness of the Kiev junta.
Hi Saker,
Thanks for dealing with this blog to you and the ”Teams”…
I’d like to raise a few questions which are not discussed over the blogs I’m following.
We know CIA agents are at work with the SBU in Kiev to deal with Novorrossia, but we don’t know exactly what their role is, except from propaganda? I guess they have an operational role aswell but to what level? With what level of Control over the national army and punitive battalions? What is the nature of the relations between oligarchs suck as Komo…? To summarise: how much do they account responsible for the desorganisation and bad strategy of the so called regular army?
I would be glad if you have this kind of information. Thanks again.
Jullien, France.
What are the relations between oligarcs such as Komo..and CIA/SBU?
Euronacista Donald Tusk and his grandfather from the Nazi SS Josef Tusk
http://www.stalo-se.cz/?p=21028
Včera byl předsedou Rady Evropy, tzv. evropským prezidentem instalován Polák Donald Tusk. Děd Donalda Josef měl být důstojníkem SS, viz foto, a měl se v Polsku podílet na nacistických zvěrstvech. Dnes je Polsko nejagresivnějším státem v Evropské unii, které chce po vzoru nacistického Německa napadnout Rusko a vyhlásit mu válku. Proto nikoho neudiví, že prezidentem Evropské unie je nacistický pohrobek a Kačer Donald z Polska.
Donetsk Militia Captured Ukrainian Files w Important War Crimes Info (names, targets) – Eng Subs
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/01/donetsk-militia-captured-ukrainian-files-w-important-war-crimes-info-names-targets-eng-subs/
If you wonder why false information appears in russian media, is because there are fifth column elements in it, although there is awareness in Russian about those fifth columns.
See this link for clarification
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/01/russia-ukraine-putin-poroshenko/14921287/
The Moscow-based news agency RT said the statement was initially interpreted as the rebels seeking autonomy within Ukraine while wishing to remain part of it.
However, Donetsk Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told RT that the statement was about “the common security space of Ukraine, Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, about post-war reconstruction of the economic, cultural, and social connections with Ukraine, and also about the fact that the (republics) wouldn’t lay claim to other Ukrainian territories.”
The standard of Russian journalism, at least in English, is rather low. Seems like they depend on the western propaganda for their sources.
Another exquisite moment of Russian propaganda war: create chaos, retreat, save lives and take new territory with one well-timed, fake news story. Check out the Syncretic Studies blog, it has accurately predicted every phase of the conflict, and explained publically and without apology the exact strategy of the Russian Federation, which is conducting a brilliant multi-dimensional campaign of warfare. The next phase may involve the promotion of ‘communism’ in Odessa and Kharkiv – that tactic could also draw in elements from mainstream Ukraine to the NAF cause. Ukraine will not escape its Soviet legacy – and the reconciliation of Russia’s White and Red ideologies is happening in front of us. What a great time to be alive, as we witness the destruction of the neofascist US, EU, NATO. All support and respect to the NAF!
– from the USA
OBVIOUSLY- but Putin’s highest ranking spokesperson SPECIFICALLY chose to speak directly to the mainstream media of the West and sell the lie that Russia expected Kiev to keep control of Novorussia. Why? Because the press would be essentially FORCED to report this fake position widely, helping the more Russia friendly nations at Blair’s NATO meeting in Cardiff argue against immediate NATO action in Ukraine and Finland.
Russia’s diplomatic manoeuvring would be perfect if the Demons in charge of the West were not so remorseless and powerful.
Saddam, Gaddafi, the Taliban and Assad also engaged in excellent diplomatic manoeuvres prior to the USA shrugging its shoulders, saying “we can do what we want”, and taking them down with ZERO legal justification.
Not that the West will be taking out Russia- the intended outcome of this game is very different. World War if possible (via this route)- maximum demonisation of Russia if not, in readiness for Word War via a different route.
Did you know, for instance, that the regimes of Saudi Arabia, Israel and Egypt enjoy Putin’s absolute support? Three foul, evil regimes created by the West for the worst reasons, and yet Russia has the most excellent diplomatic relationship with each of them.
Russia plays too many games whose rules have been crafted entirely by the West. And Russia fools itself, like a drunk at the early stage of a rigged game of poker, that it plays better than those that set up the game in the first place.
Russia could NEVER have let Crimea go, nor allowed NATO to establish its bases in East Ukraine. Those responsible for the original neo-Nazi coup in Kiev KNEW THIS as the most axiomatic fact of the whole plot. Putin was NEVER expected to lose Crimea nor East Ukraine. So ask yourselves this… What were the monsters REALLY after.
Too many of you here are so excited about our (staggering) victory, you forget the original question. And as you do so, the monsters grin in absolute victory.
The people in power in the West are universally HOWLING their outrage at Russia (not for winning- which was a foregone conclusion when the monsters began the plot). The BINDING sentiment becomes “something must be done about Russia”. And that sentiment was the first desired outcome of the plot.
Tony Blair originally wanted to become the first President of the United States of Europe, and build a European army. Neither plan worked out (rare Blair failures). Blair settled for a rapid expansion of the EU and another route to his army of Europe. NATO’s main order of business this week is the creation of a de facto Army of Europe.
At the same time, Blair will ensure no European nation is allowed to remain independent. They will have to declare either for the Russian Federation, or NATO/EU. You can see where this is going.
Wow mind boggling if true.
On top of the Kiev Nazi’s insane desire to ethnically cleanse Donbass, is the hitherto unmentioned, but crucially important fact that the Uzhivska gas field alone, (under Donetsk and Kharkhov Oblasts ) contains enough gas at today’s ‘cubic metre prices’, to pay the US National Debt between 90 to 200 times over.!
US national debt stands at a colossal 18 trillion.(approx) The Uzhivska field gas assets (at today’s prices) and depending on recoverable yields, total revenue is estimated at between 1,600 to 3,000… TRILLION US Dollars!
Eastern Ukraine has other similarly massive gas deposits, and of course, no-one ever estimates the Grand Ukrainski Totals in print .This is presumably for reasons of national secrecy and security, and of course ‘loose lips sink ships’ and ‘for God’s sake, don’t let them know what the hell we’re up to!’
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/30/ukraine-putting-politics-back-in-the-driving-seat/
Canada wants the gas!
Canada is not just interested in Ukraine because of all the Western Ukrainian immigrants. Here is why I Canada is part of the western team of Israel,Canada, France, United Kingdom and the US (I-Can-FUKUS)
EVALUATION OF NATURAL GAS RESERVES AND RESOURCES IN UKRAINE AS OF 31ST DECEMBER, 2012 (157 pages)
http://serinusenergy.com/uploads/Kulczyk-Oil-Ventures-Reserves-Evaluation-2012.pdf
3 vitale issues that is of outmoust importance and this is.
Independence.
Independence.
Independence.
Anything else is divertion and to give in for Other forces that is playing along with You, and will grabb your god given rights to your own lannd.
V.I.Putin is a fullblown Jew, and never trust them, because despite the rethoric, the Russians is equally afraid of this will be like a contagious desees, that could spread across the Russian main land, witch the Duma have labale anyone talking about Their own people as Foreign backe Terrorists.
I know of people from My tribe, the Skoltic(noutzlarac) people. is fighting for their lifes against ending up and disapearing into the Russian prison systems.
Right now, dying of in Bantustans, plase ther to die, and to silence us, forever, and gess WHOM “owns” our land right now, the Norilsk comgl. corp lead by Jews, and run by Jews.
And they can do what they want, with the blessings of Putin and the Duma.
Dont go for anything lesser than full independence, anything else os to loose, dont compromise, thats a fallacy of terms and in the end, you one change the scum in charge, take this land as it was intended to be, YOURS and for the future of YOUR people.
I dont trust them at all, nor their “suport” it have a price, witch comes later.
I dont either truts the RT, at all, its like that Rusel Brand, a allwed lighting rod, for the MSM to say something, but in the rest of his “capagne” he is in 100% insyk with the agenda of the Wesern NeoCons and Zionazis.
I use terms that makes people afraid of saying, even more afraid of by sheer thinking, selfimposed censure.
I am beyound that, and I fight for MY people, but like the Palestinians, we have the same problem, but in our case, we are doomed and sentenced to die, with the curtecy of Putin and Co.
RT is a divertion tactic, and nothing else.
I can ripp them apart on severall ocations but have left them be, since I know that in the end, they reveil them selfs anyway, as they have done lately, regading the other issues as AGW and so on, the hall mark of the present Rule of poilicys and so on.
And I have like Palestina, NewRussia as a redline, and I watch whom sayes what, and belive me, this exposes them all, in the end, moust of them, never bites the hand that feeds them.
I dont like the latest slide outwrd into narratives that isnt about total indendence.
Not at all.
NEVER forgett that inthe end, Russia and the west, fights for the recouress, and in this batle, WE loose all the time, the label of the front door may change, but the regime is the same, only with full ind. can YOU controll the welth in your own land.
NEVER lett it go again.
Never.
peace
“The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”
― G.K. Chesterton
dublinsmick, if the Ukrainian gas gets burned, the Ukraine and the world will have greater problems even than thermo-nuclear war, from anthropogenic climate destabilisation, to contend with. The current global political chaos, driven by the USA’s habitual insane aggressiveness, is masking, probably deliberately, the accelerating global ecological collapse. I imagine that the global elites see this crisis of crises as a good means to cull a few billion ‘useless eaters’.
brave cabbage, the Russia Fifth Columnists are all we see in the West. One would get the impression from listening to these vermin (my apologies to rats and cockroaches for the odious comparison) that Putin is feared and hated in Russia, too, is a ‘dictator’ and suppresses ‘Free Speech’, is a ‘new Stalin or Hitler’ or ‘worse than Hitler’??. It is made even more ludicrous as well as filthy when one surveys the total uniformity of opinion in the Western MSM, the 100% Groupthink and Newspeak and the rabid suppression of unfortunate facts and unacceptable Comments from readers.
Alien Tech, the NSA revelations made it plain that the USA was watching Merkel, and all its ‘allies’ (ie stooge, translating from the gibberish)very closely. The Israelis do likewise. No doubt her life has not been one of unsullied ‘vertue’. I imagine that the power of the Zio-American Reich rests on a good deal of blackmail, coercion and good old threats. Perhaps they simply said go along or we’ll kill you.
Just my opinion here but the process was never hijacked by the USA who has little or no interests in Ukraine. The mistakes made by the Ukrainian govt after the revolution were its own. I would say that Russian had far more direct intervention in Ukraine than USA and sensibly so because Ukraine is on its border.
Michael Collins, the lies are standard Western propaganda techniques. The Big Lie, recommended by Herr Hitler himself. The lie repeated until it gets accepted as truth, as recommended by his good buddy, Herr Goebbels, and the Israeli technique of ‘Lie today-forget tomorrow’. Lies are the very meat and milk of Western discourse these days, the public too stupid, ignorant, smugly self-satisfied and morally obtunded to give a damn.
“So in all seriousness, Mr. Vladimir Putin, please nuke London, UK. If you could do it during a joint meeting of G7 and EU heads of state that would be perfect”
AMEN!
Most sensible advice to Russia.
“So in all seriousness, Mr. Vladimir Putin, please nuke London, UK. If you could do it during a joint meeting of G7 and EU heads of state that would be perfect”
AMEN!
Most sensible advice to Russia.
Fear not AM, we have been archiving the ‘wire” articles as they get published and updated via the CBC to the greatest extent possible and then posting them along with screenshots usually the following day. Since we have not finished todays archiving mission which included the one you mentioned as one of the midday updates but cannot be sure if the CBC version is identical since they seem to massaged them for domestic consumption.
it appears as if, based upon the time-stamp of your comment, the article was in the tweeking process.
We have located 2 cached versions of the article that reflect different titles and time-stamps.
To make it a bit easier to view and/or review, we posted them both via Pastebin. Below you’ll find it along with the direct g**gle cache url in case the cached version gets scrubbed along the way.
http://pastebin.com/SFJFy8MR
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Ukraine accuses Russia of ‘open aggression’ as rebels advance
By Pavel Polityuk and Polina Devitt
KIEV/MOSCOW Mon Sep 1, 2014 6:11am EDT
9 Comments
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HWKZzPZyPwMJ:http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/01/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GS10C20140901
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Ukraine accuses Russia of “undisguised aggression” as rebels advance
By Pavel Polityuk and Polina Devitt
KIEV/MOSCOW Mon Sep 1, 2014 3:05pm EDT
41 Comments
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tTsVkrGusUAJ:http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/01/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GS10C20140901
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Hope that helps a bit. :)
DumpHarper!
Off topic, but there may be useful information about Strelkov here:
http://vk.com/strelkov_info
This is from BradCabana’s Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/BradCabana
Novorussia should continie the struggle and take all territories on the eastern side of the dneiper.. The seat of government should be the part of Kiev on the eastern bank of the river. The rest of the Ukraine should be balkanized. Once that happens, Novorussia should take odessa. Nip the evil in the bud.
Your article is NOT quite 100% truthful.
1. Russia does want Ukraine as a buffer against the aggressive West. Russia of course does want Ukraine under its influence.
2. If Russia wanted a prosperous Ukraine, then why wasn’t Ukraine prosperous before while it was with Russia?
3. With USA announcing war games at the West Ukraine in Sept 16 I do believe Americans are indeed crazy enough to start WWIII simply because their so called “free market” economy is about to totally collapse(Eu’s too).
Speaking of how fake Reuters is, they still have their so called “report” claiming Russia was not able to sign a deal with China for the gas.
It appears that Putin and Poroshenko have made a deal for a permanent ceasefire.When I heard that, I was reminded of the expression “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”.Since we don’t know yet the details I can’t be sure .But if its a ceasefire in place, its an absolute disaster for Novorossia.The only ceasefire that would make any sense,and that only barely.Would make the Ukie’s withdraw from the territory in the pockets to behind outside of our lines.And withdraw their artillery from striking distance of the cities.We had momentum ,and were beating them, destroying their forces.Stopping that gives them time to regroup,and reinforce their troops and supplies.We know we can’t trust any agreement make with the junta.So why put ourselves in that situation.If we now negotiate any kind of permanent settlement. It will at best be for the two Oblasts only.And at worst only for the smaller area we control of them.There is no way Poroshenko could survive if he agreed to formally cede Ukraine’s claims to Crimea.So Russia wouldn’t even gain security for Crimea.Only by defeating the junta and liberating,at least all of Novorossia.And hopefully all Ukraine can Russia and the people of the South and East be safe.With the junta still in power.They will claim they have “defeated” Russia by this agreement.And use that to further build their anti-Russian nationalism.We might gain rights for Russian (temporarily)in the two Oblasts.But they will de-russianize the rest of Ukraine.Turning the whole area Russophobic.They will station enough troops and junta loyalist forces throughout the area to stop any other uprising.And since we know we can’t trust them or the West.It wouldn’t surprise me if they try for some sort of a NATO association in the near future.As I said,I see it as a total disaster if it’s true.
The only positive I can see,is if its only a trick.If its meant to only hold until the NATO summit is over.And for the EU to back off on the new sanctions for now.And as soon as that is done,it falls apart and the fighting continues. We know they won’t be able to control their volunteer neo-nazis,so it falling apart is almost certain at one point or the other.But unless we totally rid the land of the junta regime.We have lost Ukraine as a brother state.