If it is, Ukraine is over. The Junta will be blownup, Odessa and Mariupol will be freed and there will be war crimes trials run by Moscow.
NATO will get want it wants and what it truly fears. The RF military will demonstrate that Ukraine was the stupidest scheme.
To save the little strip of Transnistria, Ukraine will fall. There is no “other way”.
If NATO turns lose Romania and Moldova, they will lose most of their militaries.
Next?
I see these nations lining up to be smashed one after the other. I believe all the snap drills and training sessions of the Russian military indicate an enormous force will hit Ukraine when it moves.
And Putin, probably, will call the clowns the West calls leaders to tell them to keep their troops and planes in their barracks and hangars or they will lose them in place.
There will be no half-measures. Ukraine will cease to exist as a nation. Some small region over in Lvov will be marked off as Banderstan. And the nightmare will be over.
I’m not quite sure which side of Ukraine they’re on…it looks to me like its the wrong side….west….oh boy. How will this tiny republic survive, unless the Junta is disintegrated. Poof…like the twin trade towers. https://youtu.be/H2dI-yRkFXY
Moldova will be crushed by Romania soon (if US puppetmaster gives them green light). So then Pridnestrovie will be on correct side of map, slose to Ukraine – of course only if Russia frees UA from nazi-junta.
But as you see Kremlin does not really take care even of Donbass…Crmea was strategic and is back home and that seems to be enough.
For the believers of Putin´s clever plan – you should remember that also Hitler and Saddam had some “clever” plans.
It that happens the count down of Putin in power will begin.The Russian people won’t tolerate him in office if he deserts Russians.So no,that won’t happen.If Moldova and Ukraine attack Transnistria it will be the end of Moldova as a state.If Romania joins them they will get the lesson (only harsher that Georgia got).If NATO starts WW3 they will disappear from history.And possibly the whole world as well.
Oh no, the protection of more than 8 mil. Russians in Donbass are not worth a military deployment of Russian army but the 500,000 Transnistrian Russians are? Moscow will not start WW3 because of them. If they do not care about some 8,000 dead civilians of Novorossia they surely will not care about citizens of Pridnestrovia.
I see a lot of hate against Moldova and Romania. I used to sympathize with the Russian side until recently, but after this attitude, I have no choice but turn against you, warmongers and imperialists !!!
Before you start killing Moldavians and Romanians, give them a chance by learning the history of the place from a non-soviet and non-bolshevik perspective:
If your support of Russia is based on them allowing Moldova and Romania to attack Transnistria,and commit aggression.Then I guess Russia will need to manage without your support.
Come on, don’t tell me that it wasn’t funny to find out that you and I both are currently preparing to attack Transnistria. I suppose that Stalin thought the same in the summer of 1941 as he was amassing hundreds of thousands men just across the Danube. Why, but he was defending…Transnistria, right?
I keep hearing this stuff — and it’s western propaganda trying to get Russia to go to war. That’s a war which would have cost a lot more than 8,000 lives in Donbas, and many more in all of Ukraine.
Your sarcasm is not appropriate, and neither is the shallowness of that argument.
(Why is it that it’s an anonymous poster that writes this stuff? I have to wonder where they are coming from.)
This issue is far less complicated than in Donbass.This is very much like South Ossetia.Russia has a clear commitment.And this, as the video showed is a pure act of aggression.Russia can’t be seen to just set and do nothing as their troops are attacked.
If Russian troops are attack then I fully expect Russia to defend them however necessary. The core issue is not how they will be seen by the west or Ukraine, though, but by their responsibilities to the troops and to agreements.
This is not the same situation as engaging in war in Donbas — although it may come to that if the empire keeps pushing. It won’t be a decision reached by what anyone but the Russians think, rationally, however: they won’t be goaded into it by propaganda.
“… It that happens the count down of Putin in power will begin …”,
is probably true. But while the former does indeed logically follow from the latter, I am not so sure that irrationality won’t prevail (or, perhaps, that we really don’t know who is/are making the decisions). Here one has in mind the non-intervention in Malorussia at about the time of the Crimean move, when there was even legislation to back it (now is too late; add the broken promises to the people there). All the elaborate semi-official contrived “apologias” (BS) “after the fact” notwithstanding. Who knows what has been transpiring behind those walls and what will be.
I’m not sure on the “broken promises” part. I have always thought it was a mistake not to have intervened then (I still do).But unless there were some promises that we haven’t heard of.I don’t recall they were promised anything.In fact from the very first Russia has said Ukraine needed Federalization,but not dismemberment.I think,rightly or wrongly,they have been consistent on that.And any change from that, has only come from the pull of events on the ground.Russia has had to have been dragged, kicking and screaming, to view it differently.
I was referring to the public televised and videotaped promise Putin made at that time, everyone heard and saw it – I did and you must have – that he would not allow any massacre of the people there. Then came the horrible crimes over the Novorussians, the Odessa massacre, and … nothing happened. On the contrary. Even the emergency law that had allowed the incursion into “Ukraine” was rescinded. Shaking hands with the Kiev “partners” commenced.
“Voentorg” my foot. How “clever” … keep it smoldering, do nothing (“How can you say that?! :-{{ ) but keep the appearance of doing something, while “apologists” galore…
I’m not defending his policy in Novorossia (At least I hope not.I disagreed with it from the start).But I think what he said was ambiguous.The fascists haven’t succeeded in their plans (yet).So whether it was because of his support.Or because he hasn’t stopped aid to the NAF,who can say for certain.I don’t think (personally) that he has done enough.But I also understand the argument (even if I disagree) that some say,that he is doing the right think.I have several unshakable beliefs.The junta must be destroyed,and all the former Ukraine freed from fascism.Novorossia must be allowed independence,or total autonomy,in its entirety. And Russia’s security assured against a NATO threat.How those are accomplished is open to question.The needed results are not open for questioning for me.
Retreat everywhere .(Novorussija-Syria-Delivery S300 to Iran -Transistria -Mistal ship delivery-support to Kiev junta with discount gas ,not demand the paymed of 3 bil $ from Kiev)
for reconciliation with WEST with any cost.It seems that sanctions to persons (oligharhs -coverments members and not to country )worked.
The empirer is naked .Putin cant or does not want to clean up the fifth column from Kremlin and the USA knows this and start to atack and humiliate Russia everywhere(like FIFA case in Swizerland)
Only hope patriotic and no corupt army oficials to take control in Kremlin and kick out all the corupt mafia.(For those naivs who will say about democracy ,This is not δημοκρατια*(Greek angient greek democracy)but a aglozionist corupt politikal system in order to make first British and now USA empire.
To take Russia from where it was in 1999 to where it is now, just one man – one man. To challenge the largest, strongest military the world has ever known.
To disarm that military without a nuclear Armageddon where hundreds of millions of people will die.
Even if he does not succeed, there is very few in history who could have accomplished what he has done so far.
Great report, lots of information very nicely presented. I feel like we have the entire cultural and social (and military) picture now. That undeclared war with Moldova was horrific, it looks like. I’m struck by the leader of that day shown on TV of the time, he reminded me of Zakharchenko – is this the essence of Russian people, that the hour always produces the man (and woman), and there’s always going to be someone to fill the shoes of whoever dies, until the last Russian left standing? I think so.
Great thanks to Anna Afanasyeva, and to Vox Populi for the subs (and Saker for staying up late, again, no doubt).
“If you don’t want to feed a foreign army you’d better feed your own”
Beautiful statement. They’re not afraid. It can be a repeat of the last time, as they’ve seen their experience repeated now in Donbass. They’ll fight to the last Russian. What fools the enemy are, from Kiev to London to DC to Tel Aviv – eventually to lose everything, and to die with such horrifying and damnable crimes on their souls.
This Pridnestrovia story worries me deeply. Just a slither of land surrounded on both sides by infinitely larger (it’s not just Ukraine and Moldova, but Ukraine+Moldova+Romania) powers ruled by scum.
The AZ Empire definitely has plans on Pridnestrovia if need be.
Considering the ludicrous story about Ukriane being invaded from Transnistria I wonder if that ditch is not more about keeping people want to flee in Ukraine than invaders out.
Present Transnistria story is just a feign designed to shift Russia’s focus from Novorossiya and Syria, same as the FIFA smoke screen but it also has potential bonus for anti Putin propaganda about him betraying the concept of “Russian world”.
Rus has opened a criminal case against AFU perpetrators of Gorlovka shelling-right to prosecute against acts committed against Russian citizens –so if anything happens in Trans. they might follow this route too, and it might be much more evident that NATO is more openly and directly declaring itself as an agressor so Rus can respond……
Transnistria: Thanks for the info and especially the maps. To second guess what Russia will have to do to finally secure the safety of the people living here while dealing with a wider war which is going on at this moment, is difficult. Sometimes in war one has to make strategic moves which look distasteful. It is best to keep things as principled as possible because it is easier to keep people’s morale up when there is more to the fight than kill or be killed.
euroepan border assistance mission- to ukraine moldova transdniestria and later included romania 2006/2007 just before the 2007 eu enlargement.
EU have been in moldova transdnistria and ukraine since last day of 2005.
EU are headquartered in Odessa.
There have been summer schools and Europeanisation curriculum in most universities in the former ukraine including in Donetsk.
Well done report.
Is that ‘having to build a wall’ a leftover from WWII, when the fence didn’t set you free?
Will the Russians come and save them?
Is this the bait the Bear must take?
If it is, Ukraine is over. The Junta will be blownup, Odessa and Mariupol will be freed and there will be war crimes trials run by Moscow.
NATO will get want it wants and what it truly fears. The RF military will demonstrate that Ukraine was the stupidest scheme.
To save the little strip of Transnistria, Ukraine will fall. There is no “other way”.
If NATO turns lose Romania and Moldova, they will lose most of their militaries.
Next?
I see these nations lining up to be smashed one after the other. I believe all the snap drills and training sessions of the Russian military indicate an enormous force will hit Ukraine when it moves.
And Putin, probably, will call the clowns the West calls leaders to tell them to keep their troops and planes in their barracks and hangars or they will lose them in place.
There will be no half-measures. Ukraine will cease to exist as a nation. Some small region over in Lvov will be marked off as Banderstan. And the nightmare will be over.
I can hope. It will be justice delivered.
Now I want to move to Transnistria…I’d never even heard of it before coming to Saker’s.
I’m not quite sure which side of Ukraine they’re on…it looks to me like its the wrong side….west….oh boy. How will this tiny republic survive, unless the Junta is disintegrated. Poof…like the twin trade towers. https://youtu.be/H2dI-yRkFXY
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Ann
Transnistria is close to the city of Odessa. Here is a larger scale map.
Moldova will be crushed by Romania soon (if US puppetmaster gives them green light). So then Pridnestrovie will be on correct side of map, slose to Ukraine – of course only if Russia frees UA from nazi-junta.
But as you see Kremlin does not really take care even of Donbass…Crmea was strategic and is back home and that seems to be enough.
For the believers of Putin´s clever plan – you should remember that also Hitler and Saddam had some “clever” plans.
It that happens the count down of Putin in power will begin.The Russian people won’t tolerate him in office if he deserts Russians.So no,that won’t happen.If Moldova and Ukraine attack Transnistria it will be the end of Moldova as a state.If Romania joins them they will get the lesson (only harsher that Georgia got).If NATO starts WW3 they will disappear from history.And possibly the whole world as well.
Oh no, the protection of more than 8 mil. Russians in Donbass are not worth a military deployment of Russian army but the 500,000 Transnistrian Russians are? Moscow will not start WW3 because of them. If they do not care about some 8,000 dead civilians of Novorossia they surely will not care about citizens of Pridnestrovia.
I see a lot of hate against Moldova and Romania. I used to sympathize with the Russian side until recently, but after this attitude, I have no choice but turn against you, warmongers and imperialists !!!
Before you start killing Moldavians and Romanians, give them a chance by learning the history of the place from a non-soviet and non-bolshevik perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XMEgBJXi_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLB1CJD9VSM
If your support of Russia is based on them allowing Moldova and Romania to attack Transnistria,and commit aggression.Then I guess Russia will need to manage without your support.
Come on, don’t tell me that it wasn’t funny to find out that you and I both are currently preparing to attack Transnistria. I suppose that Stalin thought the same in the summer of 1941 as he was amassing hundreds of thousands men just across the Danube. Why, but he was defending…Transnistria, right?
The Transnistria area was never a part of Romania,and only became part of the MSSR after Moldova was united with it by Stalin.
Wrong. Right after Stalin stole Hotin and Budjak from Bessarabia.
I keep hearing this stuff — and it’s western propaganda trying to get Russia to go to war. That’s a war which would have cost a lot more than 8,000 lives in Donbas, and many more in all of Ukraine.
Your sarcasm is not appropriate, and neither is the shallowness of that argument.
(Why is it that it’s an anonymous poster that writes this stuff? I have to wonder where they are coming from.)
This issue is far less complicated than in Donbass.This is very much like South Ossetia.Russia has a clear commitment.And this, as the video showed is a pure act of aggression.Russia can’t be seen to just set and do nothing as their troops are attacked.
If Russian troops are attack then I fully expect Russia to defend them however necessary. The core issue is not how they will be seen by the west or Ukraine, though, but by their responsibilities to the troops and to agreements.
This is not the same situation as engaging in war in Donbas — although it may come to that if the empire keeps pushing. It won’t be a decision reached by what anyone but the Russians think, rationally, however: they won’t be goaded into it by propaganda.
@ Uncle Bob 1
“… So no, that won’t happen …”
One can only hope your prediction turns correct.
“… It that happens the count down of Putin in power will begin …”,
is probably true. But while the former does indeed logically follow from the latter, I am not so sure that irrationality won’t prevail (or, perhaps, that we really don’t know who is/are making the decisions). Here one has in mind the non-intervention in Malorussia at about the time of the Crimean move, when there was even legislation to back it (now is too late; add the broken promises to the people there). All the elaborate semi-official contrived “apologias” (BS) “after the fact” notwithstanding. Who knows what has been transpiring behind those walls and what will be.
I’m not sure on the “broken promises” part. I have always thought it was a mistake not to have intervened then (I still do).But unless there were some promises that we haven’t heard of.I don’t recall they were promised anything.In fact from the very first Russia has said Ukraine needed Federalization,but not dismemberment.I think,rightly or wrongly,they have been consistent on that.And any change from that, has only come from the pull of events on the ground.Russia has had to have been dragged, kicking and screaming, to view it differently.
@ Uncle Bob 1
“… I’m not sure on the “broken promises” part …”
I was referring to the public televised and videotaped promise Putin made at that time, everyone heard and saw it – I did and you must have – that he would not allow any massacre of the people there. Then came the horrible crimes over the Novorussians, the Odessa massacre, and … nothing happened. On the contrary. Even the emergency law that had allowed the incursion into “Ukraine” was rescinded. Shaking hands with the Kiev “partners” commenced.
“Voentorg” my foot. How “clever” … keep it smoldering, do nothing (“How can you say that?! :-{{ ) but keep the appearance of doing something, while “apologists” galore…
I’m not defending his policy in Novorossia (At least I hope not.I disagreed with it from the start).But I think what he said was ambiguous.The fascists haven’t succeeded in their plans (yet).So whether it was because of his support.Or because he hasn’t stopped aid to the NAF,who can say for certain.I don’t think (personally) that he has done enough.But I also understand the argument (even if I disagree) that some say,that he is doing the right think.I have several unshakable beliefs.The junta must be destroyed,and all the former Ukraine freed from fascism.Novorossia must be allowed independence,or total autonomy,in its entirety. And Russia’s security assured against a NATO threat.How those are accomplished is open to question.The needed results are not open for questioning for me.
ok thanks BT…wow…scarily small and vulnerable…except for their army…armed to the teeth it looks like
Retreat everywhere .(Novorussija-Syria-Delivery S300 to Iran -Transistria -Mistal ship delivery-support to Kiev junta with discount gas ,not demand the paymed of 3 bil $ from Kiev)
for reconciliation with WEST with any cost.It seems that sanctions to persons (oligharhs -coverments members and not to country )worked.
The empirer is naked .Putin cant or does not want to clean up the fifth column from Kremlin and the USA knows this and start to atack and humiliate Russia everywhere(like FIFA case in Swizerland)
Only hope patriotic and no corupt army oficials to take control in Kremlin and kick out all the corupt mafia.(For those naivs who will say about democracy ,This is not δημοκρατια*(Greek angient greek democracy)but a aglozionist corupt politikal system in order to make first British and now USA empire.
To take Russia from where it was in 1999 to where it is now, just one man – one man. To challenge the largest, strongest military the world has ever known.
To disarm that military without a nuclear Armageddon where hundreds of millions of people will die.
Even if he does not succeed, there is very few in history who could have accomplished what he has done so far.
Great report, lots of information very nicely presented. I feel like we have the entire cultural and social (and military) picture now. That undeclared war with Moldova was horrific, it looks like. I’m struck by the leader of that day shown on TV of the time, he reminded me of Zakharchenko – is this the essence of Russian people, that the hour always produces the man (and woman), and there’s always going to be someone to fill the shoes of whoever dies, until the last Russian left standing? I think so.
Great thanks to Anna Afanasyeva, and to Vox Populi for the subs (and Saker for staying up late, again, no doubt).
“If you don’t want to feed a foreign army you’d better feed your own”
Beautiful statement. They’re not afraid. It can be a repeat of the last time, as they’ve seen their experience repeated now in Donbass. They’ll fight to the last Russian. What fools the enemy are, from Kiev to London to DC to Tel Aviv – eventually to lose everything, and to die with such horrifying and damnable crimes on their souls.
This Pridnestrovia story worries me deeply. Just a slither of land surrounded on both sides by infinitely larger (it’s not just Ukraine and Moldova, but Ukraine+Moldova+Romania) powers ruled by scum.
The AZ Empire definitely has plans on Pridnestrovia if need be.
Considering the ludicrous story about Ukriane being invaded from Transnistria I wonder if that ditch is not more about keeping people want to flee in Ukraine than invaders out.
Present Transnistria story is just a feign designed to shift Russia’s focus from Novorossiya and Syria, same as the FIFA smoke screen but it also has potential bonus for anti Putin propaganda about him betraying the concept of “Russian world”.
Rus has opened a criminal case against AFU perpetrators of Gorlovka shelling-right to prosecute against acts committed against Russian citizens –so if anything happens in Trans. they might follow this route too, and it might be much more evident that NATO is more openly and directly declaring itself as an agressor so Rus can respond……
Russian prosecution cases have been opened for all the atrocities for one year. Nothing, Nada, Niente.
Maybe, one day, if, when, perhaps.
Justice is long time waiting.
Transnistria: Thanks for the info and especially the maps. To second guess what Russia will have to do to finally secure the safety of the people living here while dealing with a wider war which is going on at this moment, is difficult. Sometimes in war one has to make strategic moves which look distasteful. It is best to keep things as principled as possible because it is easier to keep people’s morale up when there is more to the fight than kill or be killed.
look into EUBAM.org
euroepan border assistance mission- to ukraine moldova transdniestria and later included romania 2006/2007 just before the 2007 eu enlargement.
EU have been in moldova transdnistria and ukraine since last day of 2005.
EU are headquartered in Odessa.
There have been summer schools and Europeanisation curriculum in most universities in the former ukraine including in Donetsk.