The Second Nagorno-Karabakh war ended, but the hard times for the Armenians do not seem to be nearing end anytime soon.
On December 10th, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan gifted Azerbaijan with the great honor of hosting him as a special guest at Baku’s “Victory Parade”. Turkish and Azerbaijani troops accompanied by various equipment, including those captured from Armenians, marched through the Azerbaijani capital as the Sultan-in-Chief and his Pasha gave speeches from the tribune. In all, from all what was said at the Baku parade, Armenia should likely prepare for a new war immediately.
Aliyev emphasized the importance of the Turkish-Azerbaijani alliance and claimed that “Yerevan, Zangezur, Sevan are” the “historical lands” of the Turkic people, while Erdogan commemorated Ismail Enver Pasha and members of the Islamic Army of the Caucasus. Enver Pasha was one of the principal perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide, of the Assyrian Genocide and of the Greek Genocide.
On top of this, the Turkish leader routinely said that the Armenians are the source of the instability in the region and even blamed the Western militarism. Somehow, Mr. Erdogan forgot that Ankara is one of the founding NATO states and a part of that same militarism. Nonetheless, admitting the facts is not the strong side of the modern Turkish diplomacy.
Turkish media are already setting ground for the new escalation with Yerevan by depicting large Armenian territories as a part of Azerbaijan. For example, Turkey’s TGRT Haber showed the entire chunk between Azerbaijan mainland and its Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic in this way adding the title: “Armenia has no money. Let’s give Zangezur”. The title referred to claims of Azerbaijan that Armenia must pay a $50bn ”compensation’ for what Baku calls ‘crimes against the Azerbaijani nation’ in Karabakh. So, now, Turkish and Azerbaijani media promote the idea that Armenia should pay this ‘compensation’ with some territories.
And these claims do not limit to Armenia, but likely extend to the entire Caucasus. The Islamic Army of the Caucasus promoted by Erdogan during the parade was the pan-Turkic, Ottoman effort to capture the region, including the south of modern Russia, exploiting the civil war that started in the Russian Empire in 1917.
Mr. Enver Pasha also had bad relations and notable ideological differences with Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of the modern Turkey that appeared after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and was in fact in the foreign opposition to Ataturk. The decision of Erdogan to promote this figure on the highest level in Baku indicates that the modern Turkish leadership is moving away from the legacy of Ataturk, including the concept of secular state. The Erdogan-led Turkey has been shifting towards the Neo-Ottomanism accompanied by pan-Turkic and Islamist ideas. This format of the official ideology lefts Erdogan little freedom to maneuver on the international scene and pushes Ankara towards further military adventures.
Erdogan is behaving like he was Mehmed the second and like it’s the 14th century. He has obviously set Turkey on a dangerous heading with such precarious rhetoric.
What danger? I doubt Iran can fight a war on another front. And Russia has all but given Turkey the green light to do whatever they want.
Israel and the US are obviously behind Turkey 110%.
As part of his speech, Erdogan also recited some old Turkic poem, with the implication that Media Atropatene, which the Turks call Azerbaijan, belongs to the Turks, in addition to their outrageous claims over Armenia.
For those who are not familiar with Middle Eastern history, Armenia has been around as a country for a very long time, long before the first Turks rode out of Mongolia. Armenia under Arsacid Parthian rule was the first country in the world to adopt Christianity as their state religion in 301 AD. They were already a very civilized people when the Turks were drinking horse blood mixed with horse milk and riding for rape and glory.
Russian betrayal of Armenia is a tremendous crime, in my opinion. Anyone who chooses the Turks over the Armenians needs to have their head examined. The Armenians are a lovely people. The Turks are really, really not.
To me, this means that Russian leadership has no morals. And all they understand is profit. It is profitable for them to sell out their formal ally to the Turks. End of story.
And now Russia is taking part in NATO drills. A real dream come true for them, I’m sure. It is clear that all Russia wants is to join the club. To be part of “the West” and not be treated like Asians or brown people or whatever.
If Iran was not stretched so very thin, and under perpetual sanctions and constant threat of nuclear annihilation, the Iranians would be in Armenia, spitting in the face of the Turks. And sadly, I think Iran, with its very limited resources, will probably soon be in Armenia, fighting on yet another front.
Armenia may well be the next Yemen.
If only Russia had some sense, or some courage.
Hello
Why is it that Russia betrayed Armenia?
– When Russia was attacked (economically, plane shot down), did Armenia send soldiers? Aid? Did it attack Turkey? Didn’t it vote in the same guy who lost this war?
-When Nagorno Karabakh was attacked, did Armenia send her Army to defend Armenians? Did it recognize NK like Russia did for Crimea?
It is tiring to hear people that support a cause complain that a bigger ally isn’t committing their full forces just so they can continue supporting corrupt or incompetent leaders that do nothing to secure their own country.
We hear the same about Syria being bombed by Israel. Why isn’t Russia shooting down Israeli planes? Answer me this: Why isn’t Syria shooting missiles at Israel in retaliation? If Hezbollah can shoot at Israeli cruisers and territories, so can Syria.
I am not even talking about a Russia’s geo-strategic interests with Turkey or Israel, I am talking about countries putting at least the same amount of effort that you request Russia to do for them.
I say this respectfully, as someone who is neither Russian nor Armenian, who is contemplating the horror that will be unleashed on the region whether Turkey wins or fails in its current endeavors.
Regards
Armenia has a fifth column government in office right now. A government which was brought to power through the same kind of facebook/Cambridge Analytica election meddling which brought Trump and Bolsonaro and others to power in their respective countries.
A major part of such election meddling is the media. The government we have in Iran right now, was brought to power through the same kind of media campaign. The Rouhani government actually voted last week to not enrich Uranium up to 20% as per the relevant clauses in the JCPOA. He was overruled by the Parliament, and then by the Guardian Council.
The Rouhani government has been pushing for no retaliation for the murder of Fakhrizadeh. They actually literally say that we should be good and behave ourselves, so we can make a deal with Biden. They just want to bend the knee.
Pashinyan is like Rouhani. A spineless traitor who just wants to bend the knee, and who was elected because the ziomedia told people to vote for him.
Where was Russia, the stronger power, to protect Armenia from global Zionism?
The Gharebagh war was just a show. The war had already been won before the first shots were even fired. What occurred in Artsakh was just a formality. Armenia handed over the territory to the Turks, while Russia watched. And NATO/global Zionism walked away with a corridor from Turkey to the Caspian.
Look mate, it was very stupid of Russia to allow this. Iran couldn’t get involved, because a war between Iran and Turkey is exactly what global Zionism wants. Russia should have gotten involved, because Turkey won’t go to war against Russia. Russia could have kept the status quo. But they allowed Turkey, and by extension NATO, to make inroads in the Caucasus-Caspian region, which is as insane as allowing, nay, enabling the Zionist regime to bomb Syria.
First of all, I am sure that the Sepah, Hezbollah and Syria are doing everything they can to make life difficult for the Zionist regime. Or let’s not say difficult. It’s a full on nightmare. Imagine trying to run a country surrounded by Hamas, Hezbollah, and now the IRGC and the Syrian army.
“An order for 6 systems was signed in 2010. Syrian crews underwent training in Russia and some of the S-300 components were delivered to Syria in 2013. Later, due to the weapons trade embargo against Syria and on request of Israel the deliveries were halted.”
Syria cannot buy S-400s either because the Zionist regime “requests” so, which is what we call sanctions. And Russia shuts down its S-400s when the Zionist regime violates Syrian airspace. The question is not why doesn’t Syria strike back, Syria does not want to fight a full scale war with Israel, Syria just wants to protect and secure its airspace. The real question is, wtf is Russia doing not selling air defenses to Syria? And what’s more, because of sanctions imposed by global Zionism and the US.
Allowing, and even enabling Israeli and Turkish adventurism in the region is insane. Why is Russia acting against its own interest to please global Zionism?
Why does Russia abide by US sanctions against Iran and Syria? Why is Russia complicit in the blockade of Yemen? Why does Russia condone the murderous Zionist regime?
I think you should at the very least grant the same clemency to Russia that you granted Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. They are doing what they can. It’s also not easy to help someone who doesn’t help themselves, and even actively working against you.
But if you want to better understand Russia’s arms sales stance when it deals with the whole region, look up information about how Assad (the father) used to send old tanks out in the open to get destroyed in Lebanon so that they get replaced for free by the USSR, or how Egypt gave brand new Soviet tanks to Israel for analysis, or how Egypt also jailed or killed “communist” engineers after building the great Dam, or how Syria persecuted the Lebanese communist party that was fighting Israel in the 90s to clear the way to control Lebanon itself, and many more such examples.
I think Russia looks for its interests. If you are Russian, you can criticize Putin and suggest better strategies. If you are not Russian, work on building your country economically and defense-wise and stop looking for others to blame.
Respectfully!
“Why does Russia abide by US sanctions against Iran and Syria? Why is Russia complicit in the blockade of Yemen? Why does Russia condone the murderous Zionist regime?”
Basically because the Zionist regime is full of Russians, though they are Russians who generally don’t like the mother country. Russia moves in mysterious ways and allowing NATO to pick off bits of its neighbouring countries whenever it feels like, is certainly mysterious.
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do not be offensive word. Bolsonaro’s rise to power was due to the sheer amount of corruption promoted by former president Lula, the most corrupt brazilian politician of all times. Around US$100B of national budget, according to the most conservative analysis, was used to pump up Lula’s party (PT) campaigns (the video footage of PT’s members carrying money int underware, suitcases, boxes etc are available in Youtube), not to mention the money spent to support allieds throughout the world (Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, North Korea, Angola, even Palestinean’s groups) instead to provide basic services to its own people.
Who is against Bolsonaro? The usual suspects. I live in Brazil. There are no systematic destruction of Amazon, nor persecution of gays, nor any kind genocide policies whatsoever.
Reagrding the so called “global zionist” you sound like a … offending. Probably that’s what you are. Probably you follow the most false prophet in History.
Jamshyd
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It seems a bit biased that this fellow’s comment got published even though it had to be repeatedly censored. And the part about the Amazon deforestation is clearly nonsense, as is the accusations against Lula, who was put in jail because he is anti-imperialist and anti-West.
So, profanity and nonsense. Not part of moderation policy?
And meanwhile, many times, my comments have not been published, even though they contained nothing that goes against the moderation policy.
And BTW, “Reagrding the so called “global zionist” you sound like a … offending. Probably that’s what you are. Probably you follow the most false prophet in History.”
This whole paragraph ought to have been removed, in my opinion. Even though the offending term was censored, the insult is still crystal clear.
Cheers
Does not just apply to you or there would only be on commentator (yourself) in the Saker queue. We normally send onto saker about 3-5% of comments. He has just recently asked us to extra vigilant about personal attack/disrespect as he felt that the comments contained too many of this style. mod
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Alright, fair enough.
Just one thing.
“And BTW, “Reagrding the so called “global zionist” you sound like a … offending. Probably that’s what you are. Probably you follow the most false prophet in History.””
“I would suggest that you keep your personal opinion about other commentators to yourself.”
So, this ^ only applies to me, then?
All lies without real links, hence why the case against Lula fell apart despite Moro’s persecution and why he was freed from prison. Because you Brazilian right wingers never had case, and nothing screams corruption and incompetence then Latino right wing, look at how they where voted out in places like Mexico, Argentina and Bolivia. Oh and no, under Lula was when Brazil spent most on the basic needs for its own people, so much so that the oligarchs knew that he could have one the las presidential vote.
The fact that you don’t believe in against all the evidence that there is systematic destruction of the Amazon, shows that you are either deluded or are right-wing propagandist. Also what does Brazil have to do with the topic of Armenia and Azerbaijan, what a pointless post.
Brazilian here. I don’t usually comment, but can’t resist the urge. All these claims are blatant lies. The idea that Brazil was sending money to Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, North Korea (!!!), Angola and Palestine is ludicrous!
”It is tiring to hear people that support a cause complain that a bigger ally isn’t committing their full forces just so they can continue supporting corrupt or incompetent leaders that do nothing to secure their own country.”
Very true. And we get the full picture when these people keep complaining and making all kinds of defeatist noises of doom and gloom even in the midst of victory such as in Belarus. Personally, my take on Armenia is that it gladly chose a Sorosyata to lead the country and got exactly what Soros (and Erdogan) had in store for it. It’s quite conspicuous how these displays of wanton public idiocy are rewarded by really ugly results and the absence of any help to the gullible electorate once it has played its part.
nave and Nussiminen,
Do you know what life is like for Palestinians, under occupation? Do you know what life is like in Gaza? You know, never knowing when the soldiers are coming to kill your children, never knowing when the next airstrike will destroy your house, dragging your 80 year old grandmother’s body out of the rubble after an airstrike destroyed your house, etc.
How does that make you feel?
Do you understand that the people who are capable of doing that to innocent human beings in Palestine, are capable of doing it to anyone?
How will it make you feel if in 10 years they do the same thing to Russia? I know you know that they have a special hate for Russia, just like they have a special hate for Iran.
Not confronting them, which is what the world is doing, is a horrendous mistake.
I am sorry that you find my criticism of your country and Putin offensive. Please, be realistic. Nationalism and patriotism are fine, but one must also be a critical thinker.
Russian support for the Zionist regime is a disgrace.
Again why should Russia help those who don’t want to help themselves, nothing more complicated then that. As opposed to your long winded tiresome and defeatist rants.
“Again why should Russia help those who don’t want to help themselves, nothing more complicated then that.”
How does Russia not selling air defenses to Syria equate to Syria not helping itself?
Do you mean to say that Syria must bend the knee to the Zionist regime, when you say “help themselves”?
In case you hadn’t noticed, the resistance is beating the Zionist pseudo-state.
I’m writing from my native Sweden; not Russia. The Zionist Entity along with its ”code of conduct” have been on my hate-list for well over 40 years and still are.
”How will it make you feel if in 10 years they do the same thing to Russia? I know you know that they have a special hate for Russia, just like they have a special hate for Iran.”
For all their burning hatred of Russia and Iran, they won’t be able to make their dreams come true there. Palestine was given to them through the good offices of colonial-imperialist diplomacy where the oppressed peoples (of any region) have no say, not even formally. Russia and Iran are blessed with political independence and, crucially, with leaderships understanding what they are up against — the contrast to Armenia speaks for itself. And it becomes quite impertinent to single out Russia as an accomplice of Zionism against the backdrop of her immensely popular support to Syria, giving the ”Judeo-Christian-Takfiri” gentry quite a few well-founded reasons to dislike Russia.
Getting back on topic: Armenia collapsed under its ”dexterous handling” by Soros, Erdogan, Pashinyan, and Armenia’s own deluded majority population. It was a Maidan putsch which, just like Ukraine’s, served to throw the country right into the sewer for all the world to see. By contrast, Belarus held its ground.
Bottom line: National leadership matters. And its quality is, unless it has been forced upon the country by conspiracy from within or from without, a reflection of the moral fibre of the citizenry itself. The better for Russia, Belarus, and Iran. The worse for Armenia, Ukraine, Israel, and the crumbling West.
“I’m writing from my native Sweden; not Russia. The Zionist Entity along with its ”code of conduct” have been on my hate-list for well over 40 years and still are.”
I’ve been to Sweden. Lovely place, lovely people. From your name I would have assumed you are Finnish.
Well then, the Zionist entity has been on your shitlist longer than I have been alive.
“For all their burning hatred of Russia and Iran, they won’t be able to make their dreams come true there.”
I disagree. I think you are greatly underestimating global Zionism. Their globalist agenda, and their campaign of global terrorism, global lockdowns, and forced vaccinations on the horizon all point to the fact that to them, we are all Palestinians.
“Russia and Iran are blessed with political independence.. ”
And here is the crux of the matter. If Russia is politically independent, then why does Israel decide that Russia cannot sell air defenses to Syria?
Nussiminen, my dear man, I am no more anti-Russia than I am anti-Iran. And I am not a defeatist. You keep mentioning the name of Soros. Soros is not an individual with an independent policy. He is a lieutenant of global Zionism. And now Armenia, like Serbia and Ukraine and Brazil, and many other places, is fully under the Zionist thumb.
I still maintain that Russia should not have allowed Turkish adventurism on behalf of global Zionism in the Caucasus region. It was a mistake. A mistake which will be paid for in due time, first by Iran, and eventually Russia itself.
And I think it is a mistake to despise the Armenians and the Ukrainians, and others who have fallen under the spell of global Zionism and their ziomedia brainwashing. I empathize with them, and even pity them: they have been lied to so much, that they don’t even know what’s true anymore. I mean, look at the Brazilian fellow here who claims Lula da Silva was a bad guy, and Bolsonaro is not ethnically cleansing the Amazonian natives and clearing the whole rainforest, all so global Zionism can access the resources buried under the jungle.
The Zionists are not just a threat to Palestinians. When the Turks lay false claims to Armenian land, it is the Zionist hand at work. When Bolsonaro says that Amazonian natives have no rights because they are not Brazilian, and then goes on to launch a campaign of extermination against them all, again it is the Zionist hand at work.
And when Israeli citizens are caught running a major child prostitution ring in Colombia, catering to foreigners, it is just a reflection of how they treat the Palestinians. Or when a group of Israelis gang rape an 18 year old British tourist in Cyprus, and then Israeli lawyers show up and threaten the poor girl, forcing her to withdraw her complaint, and then countersuing her, it is just another case of Zionist mentality, treating everyone like Palestinians.
You don’t have to wait 10 years, mate. They are already oppressing everyone and treating them like they treat the Palestinians.
Kind regards.
Dear Jamshyd
Yes, I do know the plight of the Palestinian, probably from closer range than you. And I do know what is is to be bombed, to run to shelter. Neither of these gives my argument more weight or authority. You can be oppressed and still wrong. And like I said previously, I am not Russian.
One issue with the oppressed of the world is that they tend to romanticize global politics. What I am trying to convince you of is that it’s only politics and interests. “You must not speak of us … as cousins, still less as brothers; we are neither….” as Woodrow Wilson told the English.
I believe it was the USA ambassador to Lebanon or Syria that once stated: Everywhere I go, dignitaries I meet tell me what they want, what they need. Except in Arab countries, where they tell me what America needs and about America’s interest. (Not a precise quote, but you get my point).
Don’t expect Russia to work by your logic or emotions. Don’t expect Russia’s interests to fully align with yours. Work on your own country. Make it resilient. Identify its weaknesses….if you dare.
“What I am trying to convince you of is that it’s only politics and interests.”
Then convince me how it is in Russia’s best interest for NATO to have a corridor from Turkey to the Caspian.
I understand what you are saying, mate. But for me, politics is not separate from morality. I believe in doing what’s right, not what appears to be in one’s best interest at the moment.
“Don’t expect Russia to work by your logic or emotions. Don’t expect Russia’s interests to fully align with yours.”
I am here berating Russia for doing what I think is the wrong thing, ie. aligning themselves with global Zionism because it appears to be in their best interest right now under so much pressure from the West.
Only time will tell whether Russia will come to regret cooperating with the Zionists, or not.
“Work on your own country. Make it resilient. Identify its weaknesses….if you dare.”
That is good advice, except I have no country. Or rather, I have many countries. Or perhaps I should say that the whole world is my country. Either way, I choose to look at things from the Iranian perspective, because Iran is the only country that is resisting global Zionism, and is thriving, not in spite of the struggle against the Zionists, but because of it. Iranian objection to Zionism is purely moral, and does not stem from any historical animosity like the issues between Russians and Jews, or Europeans and Jews.
Iran has been home to Jews since Shalmaneser V exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews to Iran in 722 BC after the destruction of the North Kingdom of Israel. Cyrus the Persian is the only non-Jew to be called a Messiah by the Jews. Iran had very friendly relations with Israel up to 1979.
Iran chose to stand against the morally objectionable Zionists, even though it did not appear to be in Iran’s best interest. On the eve of the revolution, Iran was nothing, completely irrelevant. Today Iran is well on its way to becoming a global power. So, I would say doing the right thing payed off.
Now, my question is, why does Russia not condone the actions of the Zionist pseudo-state? A rhetorical question. The answer is that global Zionism is very powerful, and it appears to be in Russia’s best interest to cooperate with them, and not make an enemy of the most powerful polity in the history of mankind.
But if Iran is thriving under sanctions, and has expanded its influence all across the Middle East because of its anti-Zionist resistance, then what is Russia afraid of?
If Russia kicks out all the Jewish billionaires that it hosts, takes back their wealth and nationalizes it, and declares the Zionist regime illegitimate, there is nothing they can do to Russia, especially with Iran and the resistance as allies.
And so we reach my long winded point: Russia is compromised, just like every other country in the world that is not openly anti-Zionist.
Russia turning against the Zionists is one of their major nightmares. And I know that the Russian people, like the Serbs and the Swedes, are very anti-Zionist. So, how do you explain that Russia’s largest commercial bank is owned by a Jew? Or that Russia’s largest steel producer is owned by a Jew? Or that Russia’s second largest gas company is owned by a Jew, if Russia is not compromised?
And how can Russia not be compromised when it is crawling with Jewish billionaires, half of whom are dual Israeli citizens, with their hands in every sector of the Russian economy?
The Zionists promise imperial power, and through imperialist hosts, they expand their own power. Putin has made a deal with them. After the West falls, Russia will rise to take its place, and it will be very good for Russia in the short term, I’m sure.
Was the USA not the best country in the world for a few decades? So shall Russia, under the auspices of global Zionism. But the Zionist system is parasitic. Eventually Russia will be exhausted just like the USA.
So, interest, eh? It is very shortsighted and naive to believe that cooperation with global Zionism is in one’s interest, which is why rarely does anyone cooperate with them willingly. They get cooperation through blackmail and extortion and brainwashing and election manipulation.
I stand by my point. Russia is making a mistake cooperating with Zionists.
Cheers
“ Russian betrayal of Armenia is a tremendous crime, in my opinion.”
Russia did not betray Armenia because Armenia was never attacked it was the disputed territory in NGK. To my knowledge Russia clearly explained that it would protect Armenia if it’s security was to be threatened. Russia has no obligation to protect Armenia outside of it’s territory.
On the other hand what have Armenia done to help it’s compatriots in the NGK, besides showing an incredible incompetence on all levels throughout this short but ver bloody war?
Pashinyan was promoting the interests of Soros and the global swamp ever since he was installed as the pm in 2018 by the same, instead of the interests of Armenia and it’s people. You can’t go dancing tango with the devil and run back to Russia asking for help when it gets rough and ugly.
I see on many forums that people are unfairly blaming Russia for what happened in NGK, and I really can’t understand why? Because Russia have no obligation to defend anyone unless its a member of the CSTO and if that country’s security is threatened or if a country or an ally outside of that treaty specifically ask Russia for help like in Syria.
Look mate, as far as I’m concerned, Armenia was a province of Russia, since the treaty of Turkmenchay in 1828 was signed between the Turkic Qajars and the Russian Empire. The territory was basically sold to Russia.
This is not about Russia protecting some foreign aliens. This is about Russia protecting an old province, and bringing it back home.
Of course global Zionism has turned Armenians against Russia. Divide and conquer is all they know. I say Russia betrayed Armenia, as I would say of Iran if it allowed the Kurds, the provinces of Kurdistan and Kermanshah, to be taken away and turned against Iran, to be later used against Iran and led to destruction.
Russia lost Armenia. This is a huge loss, mate. I know, because we lost Armenia, and the rest of the Caucasus in the 1820s, and feel the loss very sorely still.
Again why help those who can’t help themselves or would spit at those who where their benefactors, your long rant just cheap excuses, rather then admit you are wrong with what you are posting.
“Again why help those who can’t help themselves or would spit at those who where their benefactors..”
What does this mean? Iran and Russia have very friendly relations. So do Syria and Russia. Who or what are you talking about?
Now that you mention spitting in one’s benefactor’s face, where would the Jews be today without Cyrus the Persian, who delivered them from slavery in Babylon and rebuilt their temple and sent them home with their pockets full of gold?
“..your long rant just cheap excuses..”
My long rant, or your short attention span? Cheap excuses, or bitter truths? It’s all relative, eh mate?
“..rather then admit you are wrong with what you are posting.”
Perhaps you would like to be more specific? What am I wrong about?
Your wrong, why can’t you admit Armenia screwed up big time, they did not fully support NK, they did recognize its independence or declared it part of Armenia, and again brings in to power a pro-western Russophobe government. Again why should Russia jump to an ungrateful like Armenia with open arms, Armenia should be grateful, it got what it did from Russia in the first place.
Also Russia would directly intervene despite all this, if the Turks and Azeris where so stupid to turn hot air rhetoric in to reality, if the invaded Armenia proper. You still can’t answer why Russia needs to intervene in every stupid decision one these idiotic former Soviet republics gets itself in, at all times. If its so important to you or Iran then you got to war against the Azeri or Turks, otherwise what you are peddling is cheap excuses, that are of no help or insight.
Listen mate, the Kurds hate Iran, and they are a very ungrateful bunch. Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan are absolute shitholes, whereas Iranian Kurdistan is on par with every other Iranian province, and the standard of life is much higher than Iraqi or Syrian Kurdistan. And yet the Kurds are so thoroughly brainwashed by the ziomedia that they want to leave Iran and set up a landlocked country surrounded by enemies that they have made for themselves, because they are counting on Zionist support.
The Kurds are ungrateful idiots. Should Iran allow Turkey or NATO to take Kurdistan?
And secondly, Turkey and Azerbaijan will not go to war against Russia. That is the whole point. Russia could have stopped this thing without war. Iran would have had to go to war.
And last but not least, NATO now has a corridor from Turkey to the Caspian. Do you understand? This is about more than Armenia.
Only when Catherine the Great brought the Serbian regiments of Hussars to Little Russia (who escape Habsburg monarhy while did not wont to become catholics), did Tatars flee to Crimea. How could Russia not do to much after so many years with such a large army, and the Serbian guerrillas made them fled? When you ask the Cossacks where the black and red color on their hats comes from, they know. Russians, Poles fe don’t.
You see…..when you pretend to be western you allways play interests card. Nothing personal. When you dont have free people, then you can’t expect them to be freedom fighters. Unless someone is directly threatening them, attacking them. Slaws including Russians are not brought up to be fighters. That is why Prussians sad they allways react late. When they have to. Arie means plowman. Only when they have to, than become warriors. Before that, they are farmers looking their own business. Dont care about politics to much. Someone long time ago took their freedom. After serfdom under no Russians came the international proletarians, then Western bourgeois rules. What do you expect from the Russians with a Putin in front who once offered us to become part of NATO, but was discarded? Look, how much Europeans are their role models, the elites always try to imitate them. You find the same so called “sleeping elites” who cares about their own pocket in Serbia.
Jamshyd….I’m sure. It is clear that all Russia wants is to join the club. To be part of “the West” and not be treated like Asians or brown people or whatever.”
All Slavs are complex with it. They give a certain number of workers every year, like once they gave slaves to the Masters. Their state services handed over the entire industry to west, today they work in the warehouses of western assembly companies located in their countries. It is good if they arrived in production from the eighties. Young people are enchanted by money and western medi, social platforms while at the same time they falsely present themselves as believers in God. Maybe in Mammon on a dollar bill. For the Slavs, you must know, the Messiah is the one who comes from the west. As they like to say … who coped and managed something. They are not interested in the principles of the struggle for freedom. Especially after been deceived with ideals and principles of communism. Small combination thinking. Probably because of such a mentality, the Holly Roman Empire gave them name Sclaves, that was only later on turn into the Slavs, in the time of national awakening. They will go to war when ordered, not before that. Maybe you could rather express your anger on elites who know very well the psyche of these people.
Dear Djole,
While your English is a bit jumbled, your message is spot on – that’s why I’ll repeat it. The Slavs will never be free until they free themselves from the mental yoke and inferiority complex vis-a-vis the West. I hope that’s what you meant.
Let us scream until their ears bleed!
djole,
You might as well be describing Iranians, mate. Iranians are so stupid, all I hear nowadays is how everyone wants to go to Europe to be the first to get covid vaccines.
Iranians are so stupid, the majority of them say they will not take an Iranian, Russian, or Chinese vaccine; the only vaccine they will take is one that comes from the West.
Iranians are so stupid, that Iran has become the plastic surgery capital of the world, because everyone in Iran is getting rhinoplasty to make their noses look like Western people. And this includes men too, not just women!
Iranians are so stupid, they actually want all of Iran’s industries to collapse so that Western companies can come and take over, just so they can work for a Western company.
Iranians are so stupid, they wish they had to work like everyone in the West, because it looks so cool on TV. (Please note, Iranians in Iran do NOT work. Everyone is just sitting around sipping tea all day and chatting, wherever you go, because Iran is the last free country where people are not robot slave laborers. If Iranians actually worked, Iran wouldn’t be such a shit show with Zionist puppet Rouhani going all out to sign Iran up to the FATF. ffs.)
Iranians are so stupid, they steal and embezzle from their own country, and take their stolen wealth to the West, where they end up losing it all. Then they return to Iran, steal some more, and take it right back to their Western “superiors.”
The inferiority complex is not limited to Slavs. Everyone in the world has been brainwashed to believe that Western people and Western culture are somehow superior.
If I told you half the stuff that goes on in Iran, you would be aghast at how deranged and idiotic Iranians are. I’d have to make a book of it.
The only advantage Iranians have is that the Iranian plateau is one of the most inhospitable places on earth, and it breeds very tough assholes. And the sanctions have turned Iran into a full on warrior culture.
I don’t mean to say that Iranians are physically fighting each other all the time, they are not. Rather, everything is a battle in Iran. In the line at the bakery, if you are not aggressive as hell, you will never get your turn. On the roads in Iran, if you don’t drive like a psychotic maniac, you will be eaten alive. God forbid, you have some business at a government office; you have to show up ready to fight to the death.
In Iran, everyone is always trying to scam you, swindle you or steal from you. You can’t trust anyone. You must always be on your toes. The more aggressive, ruthless and cunning you are here, the further you get. If you behave like a “civilized” European in Iran, you will always finish last.
The sanctions have turned Iran into a rogue pirate nation, down to the last individual. In the international context, this “rogue warrior pirate” mentality is how Iranians get around sanctions and all the endless injustices against Iran.
Iran is hell. Iran is, hands down, one of the worst countries in the world to live in. But Iranians can outfight anyone, and the Zionists can kill Iranians and assassinate them, but they will never overcome them.
Iranians are the worst shits in the world, in my opinion, and while most of them are fools, the ones that are not complete idiots are truly formidable, one man armies.
It is not a coincidence that Iran is the only country in the world standing up to the Zionists, who I would say are probably the second worst shits in the world.
Cheers
You are right of course – the whole world has been poisoned. The problem is that the countries like Russia, Iran and China have pretensions at independence etc. and this is not possible without shedding the inferiority. Western slaves such as Australia are free to wallow in their second-class status (if that).
What you are describing is the primary accumulation phase of capitalism – red in tooth and claw. I hope it doesn’t last much longer. And I’d be a bit more generous – few countries get to experience what Iran (or Russia) has and live to tell the tale.
“Western slaves such as Australia are free to wallow in their second-class status (if that).”
Hmm.. If Iran is hell, which it absolutely is, no doubt about it, then I would say that Australia is heaven.
A young educated professional in Iran can earn up to, the equivalent of, 400-500 USD a month, which is a decent wage for an employee. A farmhand’s wage is equal to 80-100 USD a month.
On the other hand, a young educated professional in Australia averages 100,000 AUD per annum before tax. And minimum wage is 19-20 AUD per hour.
Young Australians travel the world, while young Iranians watch their lives go by, wasted in futile strife with their fellows, fighting over scraps. Even if young Iranians could afford to travel abroad, travel restrictions would still hinder them.
Young Australians buy homes as easy as 1-2-3, via bank mortgages, beautiful homes that young Iranians can only see on TV. The price of a home in Iran is now absolutely beyond the reach of the working classes, and there are no Jewish money-lenders here giving mortgages.
Australians are not second class, in my opinion. The Australian standard of living makes the US look like a third world shithole. Granted, Australians are the Zionists’ favorite people, but all Western people enjoy more or less the same level of privileged existence.
For an Iranian born in the decades after the revolution, which we call the burnt generation, there is little comfort in knowing that “few countries get to experience what Iran (or Russia) has and live to tell the tale.” — it is no comfort at all.
The oldest members of the burnt generation of Iran are now entering their 40s. Their youth was
completely wasted in a war-torn sanctioned country with zero opportunities.
How do you reckon that Australians are second class? And if they are, what nation in the world is first class? And what does that make Iranians? Last class?
In fairness, I cannot expect all Iranians to espouse ancient Iranian ideals of poverty and misery and Dervishism/asceticism. But perhaps the burnt generation would not have burned if they were not seeking Western ideals.
In the West, you work as a slave, and you get to live in a society with civilized people who follow the law, you get a relatively decent wage and standard of living, and you get a few good years of comfortable mediocrity before you are old and decrepit and tossed into a retirement home to die.
In Iran, you are free to soar, if you can cut it. But there are no guarantees, and nobody follows the law, not even government employees or the courts. Practically nothing is regulated, everything is up for grabs, an absolute free for all. Many people make the chaos work for them. But many can’t, and they live and survive by the sheer grace of the government, or God, or whatever inexplicable magic is keeping Iran afloat against all odds.
I’ll only address one point – the Australians spent most of their brief history being in awe of England (look at “cultural cringe” on Wikipedia). Although Australia is full of Irish etc. they all identified with the “mother country” wanting to be accepted as a first-class nation by their betters. This never happened but once Britain lost its prestige after the fall of Singapore, the Australians started shifting their allegiance to the US. The inferiority complex is such that they are prepared to harm their economy and future in general only to spite China on behalf of their Western betters. Iran is nothing like that.
This is pure psychology (psychopathy) and I’d expect you to be aware of it.
I understand what you are saying.
But my question is, is it better to live in a beautiful country, surrounded by beautiful happy people, who are always smiling at each other, and respect each other, and are sane and rational civilized law abiding people that you can trust, in exchange for giving up political independence, or is it better to live in a country that has been absolutely trashed, surrounded by angry people who are always frowning, have no respect for each other or each other’s property, are absolutely criminally insane — the whole lot of them — who have no respect for the law and are really not trustworthy at all, but with political independence?
If Australia were to nationalize its natural resources, which are staggering in quantity, which is all being plundered by foreign globalist interests right now, everyone in Australia would be a king. Australia would become so wealthy that stories of its prosperity would live on for ages as myths.
But if they were to take back their resources, global Zionism would send someone like Saddam to invade them immediately. Sanctions and arms embargos would follow, while the Saddam is provided with unlimited support, even chemical weapons. The war will last years. Australia will be destroyed.
If Australia survives the war, then sanctions will be increased and intensified, a campaign of lies will be started by the media, telling the Australian people that they were very rich before the revolution, but that they are poor now because their leaders are corrupt, not because of war and sanctions.
Then they will start wars all around Australia, forcing Australia to get involved, making sure that Australia’s resources are wasted in war, and the Australian people feel no tangible benefits from their revolution.
Then the media will say that Australian leaders waste money on proxy wars instead of feeding the Australian people. Australians will naturally start to hate and resent their government, their country, each other, etc.
Global Zionism cannot allow even one free, independent country to exist. If they do, everyone will want freedom and independence.
If natural resources are not nationalized in a country, ie. if the natural resources don’t pay for all the expenses of the country, like government, healthcare, education, etc, and instead private corporations take all the resources, it means the country is not sovereign.
If a government gives away natural resources to transnational corporations, and then charges its own citizens taxes, that is a corrupt government, which is in all likelihood dominated by global Zionism.
Independence means a constant struggle against powerful globalist forces. Merciless, inhumane forces. I would not wish this on Australia or any country. I would not wish what we currently have in Iran on anyone.
Sorry, but are you saying that Iran was better off under Shah? Many people argue so – nominally strong middle class, happy citizens aligned with the hegemon, acceptance by the West, pop music, technology etc. I’m just not quite sure what is it that you’d like to see.
I think you should look and other suffering nations (e.g. China, Vietnam) who endured decades or centuries only to emerge on the other side – strong AND independent. I’m not sure if there is a better way.
No, I am not arguing that. That is what the ziomedia is arguing.
As I have said before, Iran was completely irrelevant before the revolution.
China and Vietnam are independent? Independent of the West? Or independent of transnational corporations?
The Sultan of Swing is definitely on a mission from celestial powers; too crazy for anyone except Mr Putin to possibly understand.. He is called “friend Recep” by the Russians..
The main thing is that the sanctions have begun, by Europe & NATO ally USA, which was always going to be the lever used against Turkey..
It is anti-climactic, really, like finally stopping Al Capone for income taxes..
Right now, what global Zionism wants from Turkey is for it to go to war against Iran. The sanctions against Turkey are not punishment for wrong-doing, they are as you say, leverage to force Turkey to comply with whatever is being demanded of it.
When Erdogan refused to confront Iranian forces in Syria, global Zionism staged a coup against him in 2016, which failed, but did not fail to deliver the message.
Cheers
Yes, Erdoğan has subtly insulted Iran recently. I am sure the US and Israel are pleased. I wouldn’t be the least surprised if they hadn’t planted the idea in his brain, if it wasn’t there already. If Erdoğan continues to play with fire, he and Turkey are going to get badly burnt.
Erdoğan’s Ottoman hero is Selim the Grim (Selim I, 1512-20). Selim was responsible for significantly enlarging the Ottoman Empire, particularly towards the East. So perhaps Erdoğan is dreaming of following his idol. That, with the MHP (ultra nationalists) support, may be pushing him further than the Turkish people are likely to support.
Of course, the mdedia belongs to Erdoğan’s cronies and supporters, so the propaganda will be whatever Erdoğan wants to push. So far, aside from Syria, Erdoğan and his advisors have chosen foreign policy pushes that seem quite justifiable from supporting Libya’s legitimate governent, to questioning the justice of Greece’s over extension of its Mediterranean claims, and now supporting the just claims of Azerbaijan.
However, he may be running out of legitimate claims from the Ataturkist point of view, at least. Approximately half the nation tends to respect Ataturks principles, and many of Erdoğan’s own supporters would prefer more attention to improving the economy than taking on unjustifiable questionable and costly adventures similar to Syria. Erdoğan will have to tread carefully or he may try the patience not only of his opponents but many of his supporters.
For the love of god Southfront, give it up already.
The conflict is over with a victor and vanquished clearly established.
Azeri nation are rightfully celebrating their new reality while the Armenians are locked in a chaotic search for their failings.
It is normal for both sides to celebrate and mourn at heightened levels
Turkish soldiers have joined in the victory march not beacause of any sense of superiority but because the Azeries were waving the Turkish flag long before this happened.
The new reality will be a bitter pill for the Armenians but as history has shown, it will not be a fatal one. They will learnt to live with it and as Erdogan said in the very victory parade, there is still an opportunity for ALL in the region to live and prosper if certain militant ideolegies are jettisoned.
As for for this imaginary kingdom Southfront thinks TUR is seeking, perhaps Armenia should not be parroting their desire for the ‘Treaty of Serves” to be revived.
Armenia’s Defense Minister Davit Tonoyan is probably the best indicator of the modern ARM mindset when he said on April 1, 2019 in New York ”new territories in the event of a new war”
But, no Southfront, you go ahead and keep TUR bashing, it raises your integrity levels to new lows
Ted
No need to attack South Front. Just express your opinion. They are entitled to theirs as well. And the rest of us like to read their musings.
The Azeris and the Turks are now making territorial claims on Yerevan…how is that “rightfully celebrating”?
https://mirrorspectator.com/2020/12/11/at-baku-victory-parade-with-erdogan-aliyev-calls-yerevan-zangezur-sevan-historical-azerbaijani-lands-erdogan-praises-enver-pasha/
They do not have any right to Yerevan or any other city in Armenia.
Let’s be honest: Even their claim on NK is tenuous one : A Soviet Admin border that became a national border overnight devoid of any historical or ethnic roots. So much for “international law”…
As for Erdogan bringing up Enver Pasha, who was responsible for the Armenian genocide, this is a new low even for a thug like him.
I recently read an article about Kennedy and the Cuban missile crisis. When the Soviet Union withdrew its missiles, Kennedy was adamant that the media should not portray it as a triumph for him over Khrushchev. In those day I guess, politicians still had some class in victory..
As for your reference to the treaty of Sevres, which liberated the oppressed from genocidal ccolonialism, I say: it was way too kind for those backward obscurantist Ottoman murderers.
Genocide is a means to an end for Erdogan, not only for more land and power but as a trade off with USA and Israel. As long Erdogan continues with this genocide, NATO will creep ever closer to surround Russia and gain direct access to the Caspain sea while halting China’s New Silk Road and Israel will gain a larger foothold and base to attack Iran. Erdogan is a fool to believe that NATO and Israel wont destroy him once their objective is achieved but since when has Erdogan shown to the world and his masters he is anything else but a puppet with a taste for genocide
Let’s not be ridiculous. Erdoğan has not committed any genocide, or even come close. It is true that should he be willing working with the US and Israel, he is likely to feel a knife in the back when they have finished with him, but he has his own dreams, so is not likely to care much what the US and Israel want when that conflicts with his objectives.
The Azeris and the Turks are now making territorial claims on Yerevan…how is that “rightfully celebrating”?
https://mirrorspectator.com/2020/12/11/at-baku-victory-parade-with-erdogan-aliyev-calls-yerevan-zangezur-sevan-historical-azerbaijani-lands-erdogan-praises-enver-pasha/
They do not have any right to Yerevan or any other city in Armenia.
Let’s be honest: Even their claim on NK is tenuous one : A Soviet Admin border that became a national border overnight devoid of any historical or ethnic roots. So much for “international law”…
As for Erdogan bringing up Enver Pasha, who was responsible for the Armenian genocide, this is a new low even for a thug like him.
I recently read an article about Kennedy and the Cuban missile crisis. When the Soviet Union withdrew its missiles, Kennedy was adamant that the media should not portray it as a triumph for him over Khrushchev. In those day I guess, politicians still had some class in victory..
As for your reference to the treaty of Sevres, which liberated the oppressed from genocidal colonialism, I say: it was way too kind for those backward obscurantist Ottoman murderers.
The Armenian “genocide” is more propaganda from the West and the Orthodox world, than reality. It is largely WWI propaganda with no historical evidence supporting, but a lot of political parliaments appeasing their Armenian populations and exhibiting the racist views towards Muslims and Turks.
The main purpose of the Armenian genocide myth, similar to the exaggeration of the massacre of Belgians by Germany, was to get the US people to support the US govenment’s entering the war. It is interesting that we see and recognize the same sort of propaganda being deployed against the West’s enemies today (at least on this site), but can’t seem to get it that the Europeans weren’t any better then, than now. Demonizing the enemy has a long history in Wartime, and often carries over as racism beyond.
Propaganda. I pity you.
Well done, you are nicely aligning two ultimate genocidal regimes and old allies – The Turks and the Germans.
Even German military and journalists documented some of the genocide of Armenians (though their government was generally pro-Ottoman/Turk). Plus the fact that Armenian towns disappeared of the map, the huge population movement and that so many of the surviving Armenians settled in other countries due to that shows something major and violent was happening.
Now, you are just delusional or are Turk in denial there Blue Dotterel. One canèt take poster like you seriously if you deny the evidence of the Armenian genocide.
Relax! Erivan/Yerevan was indeed a majority Muslim province until the 20th Century. It was actually given by the Azerbaijani Musavat to the Armenians on the understanding that Karabakh would remain Azeri when the 2 republics emerged from the Tsarist ruins on 28 May 1918. The Dashnaks went back on that deal if they ever had any intention of honouring it. Aliyev has no intention of taking any part of Armenia. Azerbaijan will be engaged in a 20 year reconstruction and repopulation of Karabakh involving resettling over 500,000. That is enough work to be done. If the Armenians gave them Zangezour of course it would be gratefully accepted since it would link Nakhchivan with Azerbaijan. But there’s no intention of taking it by force. Good relations with Russia and Mr. Putin are a priority.
Yerevan was part of the Erivan Khanate in the 18th century which was indeed Muslim- a province of Iran. Nothing to do with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan was historically always only a province of Russia or Iran. The first independent Azerbaijan dates from 1918 only.
Erdogan has a supreme sense of smell only matched — most fortunately — by that of the Russian government. Whenever a country/region is being ruled by corrupt, greedy Sorosyata (little piglets of Soros), be sure to have Erdogan taking advantage of you with gusto. He dealt most tenaciously with the Euro-trash having them solve the Syrian refugee problem for him, and now he similarly treats the imbecile Pashinyan to his heart’s content.
So here Erdogan shows his reverence for Enver Pasha in order to really ”drive home the message” to the vanquished. I wouldn’t put it past him to give a ”backhanded compliment” to the Bulgarians as well who seem to have conveniently forgotten who liberated them from whose yoke in the 19th century.
Erdogan is going to end up in a ditch or maybe have a ‘heart attack’ or be found with his mistress OD’d on drugs. Let’s be honest it would suit the Americans and the Russians.
Tass
12 DEC, 15:47Updated at: 16:48 Russia to deliver humanitarian aid to Karabakh in 54 railroad cars – Emergencies Ministry The Russian Emergencies Ministry will send 54 railroad cars with humanitarian aid MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS/. Russia’s Emergencies Ministry will deliver 1,200 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Nagorno-Karabakh by railway, the ministry’s press service told TASS on Saturday. “The Russian Emergencies Ministry will send 54 railroad cars with humanitarian aid for the civilian population. The [aid] will be dispatched from eight Russian cities. The cargo contains construction products, generators, fire tank trucks and household supplies. The total weight is 1,200 tonnes,” the press service said. The Emergencies Ministry pointed out that aid would be shipped from Moscow, Ulyanovsk, Ivanov, Ufa and other Russian cities. The humanitarian aid deliveries are carried out in accordance with instructions of the Russian president and government.
This pains me because I actually like the Azeri people and it is a shame that their government is entertaining this Megalomaniac Erdogan and his dreams of a Neo Ottoman Empire. I hope Russia condemns this and lets Ankara and Baku know that this is not acceptable. God bless and God save Hayastan!
Tried to sift through the quagmire of comments at the bottom of this article on the Southfront website. Not worth it. I’ve come to appreciate the comment policy and moderation at the Vineyard. Here you can actually learn something, while on Disqus it’s just a war of words, constant bickering.
You gotta wonder when the day will come that Erdog meets his doom. His fingers are in every pie these days. Syria, Iraq, Libya (perhaps Egypt too), Greece, Yemen, Azerbaijan and now borderline Iran. What would happen (other than NATO involvement) if all of these countries (excluding Russia) decided to teach him a permanent lesson? Could he survive it? Would Russia get involved in a strong manner if Armenia were to be attacked on both sides? Would Iran jump in? I keep expecting an assassination attempt on him sooner or later. I’m hoping for sooner.
”What would happen (other than NATO involvement) if all of these countries (excluding Russia) decided to teach him a permanent lesson?”
Ain’t gonna happen. Erdogan is way beyond their abilities, and he knows it. He correctly sees them as greedy, arrogant, incompetent fools throwing hissy fits at Russia and China. The only possible exception would be if Erdogan in a state of utter contempt and megalomania were to tamper with the Zionist Entity and ”its right to exist”, in which case ”The International Community” would be instantly galvanized against ”the rogue Anti-Semite Erdogan”.
Sorry but I gotta chuckle.
‘Told you so’ is very fitting right now.
And the parrots arent giving excuses for Erdogan anymore. LOL.
But hey, it’s Putin (and Iran too) , giving Turkey a seat at the Caspian sea stakeholder’s table – this was agreed in Astana, during the Syrian deal.
So, Erdogan is trying to make the Turkish controlled branch of the BRI. And Putin and Iran are counting on the West to stop it (the West is trying to stop everything and anything BRI). LOL. What twisted alliances.
Not happening, the international treaty only recognized Azeri claim within with in Azerbaijan. Yerevan being capital of Armenia, being in Armenia proper would mean a direct attack in to said country. Therefore triggering the threadbare but still defense treaty between Armenia and Russia to kick in, against both Azerbaijan and Turkey. While Erdogan Turkey maybe that delusional, ie it would be the end of Turkey in said war. I’m sure despite the rhetoric, Aliyev’s Azerbaijan is more then content to have what got in the last conflict. He knows participating in whatever Neo-Ottoman fantasy campaign in the Caucus region would invite disaster to his country. At this point articles like this and their reactive posters are just engaging in fear porn.
Hi there. I have one simple message to all commentators on this site, as well as Internet in Global sense: Stick to facts and acts. Avoid euphemisms. Don’t use other peoples labels to explain yourself. Don’t throw mud around whenever you don’t understand his/her point. Ask questions.
There are no Jews, Muslims, Catholics, etc. This planet is only populated with fools and ones that suffer from them.
Try to understand, things are never as they look like. Scepticism is virtue.
Stay calm, think and ask. Brain is not a joint, can’t be dislocated.