Ukrainian nationalism: an image is worth a thousand words

The Pope and Netanyahu Debate the Language Jesus Spoke

Toward the end of his visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority this weekend, Pope Francis and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed the language Jesus spoke.

“Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew,” Netanyahu told Francis according to quotes reported by Reuters.

“He was speaking Aramaic,” the pope replied with a smile, according to the Associated Press.

“He spoke Aramaic, and he also knew Hebrew,” Netanyahu corrected.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/27/the-pope-and-netanyahu-debate-the-language-jesus-spoke/

Best regards,

Mohamed.

What a shame, a general kneeling before foreign politician?! It is humiliating for any country, but, well… “Glory to the heroes!”, as you said. There was a time, when military people had their honour. I wonder if the regular Ukrainian troops saw this picture. What do they think of that? Maybe I’m naive, but I hope some of them still have their pride.

-from Poland. I would like to assure you, that in Poland there also are people, who are trying to find the truth, which is being hiddean from us with the “help” of mass media.

http://coub.com/view/1uz2g

Jen Psaki: EU exports gas to Russia

Re: Pope Francis

Please note he was not part of Argentine’s dirty war.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303867.htm

http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-francis-argentina-dirty-war-840378-Mar2013/

Many of the accusation about Pope Francis came out during the conclave that took place after John Paul’s death as a way to discredit Bergolio who at the time was a front-runner leading up to the conclave.

Jesus is a fictional character.

The Greeks used that name (Jesus=Iesous=888) or (Christos=1480) to teach allegorically the sheepeole about the sun.

Check out this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Christ-Sun-God-Cosmology/dp/0835606961

@Bic: please take this sentence:

“А на фотографии, которую вы видите, запечатлен ключевой момент принятия в козаки славетного лицаря пана Джона Теффта, доброго баптиста и посла США на Украине.”

Then try google translate:

“And on the photo you can see, the key moment was captured adoption Cossacks slavetnogo Litsarev Pan John Tefft, a good Baptist and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine.”

Now try Yandex translate:

“And the pictures that you see, captured the key moment of the Cossacks slavetnogo of lizara Mr. John Tefft, a good Baptist, and the US Ambassador in Ukraine.”

In pain English: “the picture shows the moment when the famous knight and lord, Mr. John Tefft, a kind Baptist, and Ambassador to the Ukraien is declared a Cossack.

Cheers,

The Saker

PS: I will gladly admit that my sources are from the Russian press and that they might be biased. Maybe Tefft was giving the sword to a kneeling Ukie general? Still, even in that case the photo speaks a thousand words.

@ Anonymous 8 May, 2014 18:59
If we are to believe that Jesus was a fictional character, how come simple people that were once cowed by the establishment had a drastic change of heart and risked their lives, family and earthly possessions to go out all over the known world in Asia and Europe to spread the good news of the Gospel?

the article actually says normally when a person is not born a cossack but is initiated into the cossacks. He is supposed to be kneeling and receiving the sword, thereafter he must kiss the sword and thereafter a cossack “gently’ whips each shoulder. But in this instance this alludes to the ukrainians being servants/ obedient serfs to whom they are giving the sword. – the usa. Also the article refers to the civilian being the lowest ranking personnel of his”office” – whereas the general is the top of his “office”

Denis Pushilin, the chairman of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), announced on Wednesday that the entity was making an official application for accession to the Russian Federation. The document will now be sent to President Vladimir Putin’s office.

Pushilin said that after the referendum in which a majority of the Donetsk region had voted for sovereignity, Ukrainian troops had occupied part of the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Moreover scores of victims in recent fighting, counted in thousands, mean that the Donetsk People’s Republic is calling on Russia to help to stop “the war and genocide.”

The application for accession by the Donetsk People’s Republic is the second such document sent by the DPR to President Putin. According to Denis Pushilin, the previous one was not filled in properly and didn’t reach Putin, but the second is now signed and should be considered as an official application for accession.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSKlPW226o

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSKlPW226o]Ukraine: DPR applies for accession to Russian Federation – YouTube[/url]

@ The Saker

Thanks for your reply in reference to that post elsewhere accusing you of lying.

I’ve posted your reply on that forum and suggested that an apology is due to you.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Fighting-Continues-in-Donetsk-Separatist-militants-suffer-heavy-losses-in-east?pid=8203442#pid8203442

Much appreciated. I’ll try not to bring any more of that here.

Very grateful for your blog here and the work you do.

– Bic

Why do wars start? Greed. And fear. And both these emotions are concerned with power and money. That’s all. And they work away, until some accident – or contrivance, although people are seldom clever enough to be able to contrive exactly – set them off into war. Then the justifications – liberty, patriotism, compassion, indignation, religion even – come into play. But they aren’t reasons. Money and power, they’re what count.

Of course liberty, patriotism, compassion etc matter. Nothing matters more.

But money and power are what count.

This link might seem somewhat distant from the subject of the post but who knows, maybe by the time he gets to Russia the ambassador will have slimmed down a little and be able to himself kneel with appropriate humility?

I am posting this in support of Saker’s position on the matter. As I understand it, (no economist, I) the US is surreptitiously forking out billions to buy back dollars.

That’s scary to us living here, and it is definitely unsustainable. We are in for hard times, and that soon. But I think what it means is that Putin is indeed gradually gaining ground, so even if east Ukranians must endure (and my prayers are with them) the horrors of maniacal fratricide, the signs are pointing to a last gasp of empire.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/28/american-foreign-policy-the-dollar-and-putins-pivot/

Sorry. I should have posted the last comment under the Nasrallah speech.

Hi, Where-Wolf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Etymology_and_meaning
“Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, safeness and peace.[20] In a religious context it means “voluntary submission to God”.[21][22] Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb of which Islām is the infinitive. Believers demonstrate submission to God by serving God, following his commands, and rejecting polytheism. The word sometimes has distinct connotations in its various occurrences in the Qur’an. In some verses, there is stress on the quality of Islam as an internal conviction: “Whomsoever God desires to guide, He opens his heart to Islam.”[23]

Other verses connect Islām and dīn (usually translated as “religion”): “Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion.”[24] Still others describe Islam as an action of returning to God—more than just a verbal affirmation of faith.[25] In the Hadith of Gabriel, islām is presented as one part of a triad that includes imān (faith), and ihsān (excellence), where islām is defined theologically as Tawhid, historically by asserting that Muhammad is messenger of God, and doctrinally by mandating five basic and fundamental pillars of practice.[26][27]”

is coorect.

Does anyone know what the voter turnout was on the 25th [Ukrainian ‘election’]?

The floodgates are open now, and a daily deluge of dead civilians and defenders will steadily swell in numbers. The puppet will take no prisoners. The puppet master is tangled in too many wires.

The people will bleed and die, as they always do.

Saker:

I just watched the Frontline report on Ukraine and Syria. It’s report on Ukraine ignored the role of the US and Poland in subverting the elected government and put all the blame for the shooting of the Maidan demonstrators on the (then) government. It whitewashed the role of Bandera by saying that they fought the Nazis and Russians. It showed an interview with someone (face covered) saying that the Russians had agents crossing the border giving directions and money (very convenient that he can’t be identified).

It could only have deliberately ignored all evidence that contradicted its anti-Russian slant.

I hope you review it.

Saker, I hope you don’t mind re-posting my comment from last night. This is something that has been bothering me for a while. Hopefully, my fellow commenters will offer their opinions.

@ Daniel Rich
“CNN has been in my moral dustbin for quite a while now”

I pretty much gave up on CNN long time ago as well. However, I still watch Fareed Zakaria’s GPS from time to time on Sundays. I am not sure what to make of this guy. He is clearly an intellectual and definitely understands more than he is allowed to broadcast. His covering of Russia in the current crisis is very disappointing though. He tried to bring Stephen Cohen on one of his programs three months ago, but got suspended (this is my guess) after that for a couple of weeks. Perhaps, this is my wishful thinking. What do you think of him?

Я

@Daniel Rich @ 23:36

“What to make ” of Zakaria ?? Well let me relay this to you from his own mouth. When asked in some corporate media survey what the greatest possible danger facing the world in the 21st century will be, he said “anti Americanism”….When he spoke of his wonderful, marvelous, magical and above all “exceptional” experience of emigrating to the US he shared a treasured memory of being inspired to emmigrate (to exceptional land) by watching episodes of “Dalls” and “Dynasty”, being broadcast to the masses of India. One must assume America has been one big episode of Dynasty for Mr. Zakaria..except for this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186806/Fareed-Zakaria-Time-reporter-CNN-host-suspended-month-plagiarizing-New-Yorker.html

@The Pope and Netanyahu Debate the Language Jesus Spoke

Isn’t that clear that Jesus, like many others in the region and time were multilingual? What language did he speak with Pilate? What language did the Saducees spoke with Pilate? Who have written the Greek manuscripts found in Cave 7 at Qumran mingled with Hebrew and Aramaic ones?

This article 100% INCORRECT!!

The event took place in june 2013 in Kherson (how was the weather in November 2013??) and Tefft was GIVING and not receiving the sword!

2 links to proof this:
http://khersonline.net/13539-ameritkanskomu-poslu-v-hersone-vruchili-kazackuyu-sablyu.html

http://usembassykyiv.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/john-paul-jones-american-cossack/

Hard to believe this is November 2013, given the high position of the sun in the sky and lush greenery in the background. Looks more like summer, unless its somewhere tropical. If so, then the rest of the story can also be questioned… Although in any case I admit the idea of a general kneeling to present a sword to a foreign official is absurd beyond belief.

There is none so obedient as he who is fully compromised.

“Dimplomats” have consistently been subject to influence from their hosts through the suppression of knowledge of various actions such as a predeliction for small boys or girls, money, etc – what some may deem transgressive behaviour, which for some have special frisson.

Typically US Ambassadors “buy” their positions in one way or another, and hence they tend to be particularly attracted to consumption and power.

So the practices that Oscar @ 0710 desribes and the image shows are not particularly unusual.

Where-Wolf said…

“This is directed at anyone who speaks Arabic or has good knowledge of Islam. Maybe you’re still out there Mohamed.

I have heard that the word Islam sometimes means submission.

Is this true? Or is it an intentional mistranslation meant to confuse English speakers?”

Dear Friend Where-Wolf,

Arabic is a very higher language than English. Arabic roots are mostly 3 letters, some are 4 letter roots and rarely 2 letters roots. From this 3 letters roots with both 3 short vowels and 3 same long vowels, about 200 to 250 words are made. Arabic has more than 240 sounds. Where as, English has 5 vowels and very few sounds. Due to vowels differences, Mohammad is written many different ways in English, so are other words too in English.

Also, in Arabic from verb nouns are made by inserting a letter “m’ in front of verb. Thus, the root SLM can be made into 200 to 250 words with short and long vowels.

The word iSLaM is a verb, which means “to bow”, “to sumbmit”. The question is “bow or submit” to whom? Now if one put a letter “M” in front of iSLaM, it becomes a noun, MiSLaM or MuSLiM. A MuSLiM is someone who iSLaM (bows) to the Will of God, the Supreme Will.

We all bow or submit our will to the Supreme Will. So, everyone is a MuSLiM. Either, we bow our will willingly or unwillingly, but we all bow (submit). If we bow (submit) our will willingly to the Supreme Will, then our will is in SaLaaM (in peace) with the Supreme Will. If not, our will is not in peace with His Will.

BTW, this is the language Jesus and his displaces had discourse with each other.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Я said…

“I pretty much gave up on CNN long time ago as well. However, I still watch Fareed Zakaria’s GPS from time to time on Sundays….. Perhaps, this is my wishful thinking. What do you think of him?”

Dear Friend Я,

I thought that you are smarter than that to realize that anyone owned by CNN is a CNN.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Yesterdays dessert for Russian speakers lightly carmelised by the BBC.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/bbseva/bbseva_20140528-1500a.mp3

BBC reports that a helicopter carrying a General in charge of liaison between army special forces and the national guard was
shot down. Well, someone has good intelligence as well as good aim. That is one way to take care of the generals who kneel to foreign influences. But in this mess who knows by whom and why he was assassinated.

@WizOz: My point was to remind that Greek was a language spoken on a par with Aramaic by the palestinian population (Jews and non_Jews alike), at least in the Galilee of the Gentiles, where Jesus was from and where he started his mission. Anyhow the Gospels were originally written in Greek and translated in Aramaic later.

I always believed that Christ spoke mostly in Greek for two reasons: this is the language of three out of four Gospels and Greek words have been used from the Apostolic times to describe spiritual categories. There might be a way in Aramaic to differentiate between “nous” “psyche” and “pneuma” but I don’t see why there would be one. Ever heard of Aramaic philosophy? Me neither. Christian theology is clearly “anchored” in Greek philosophical categories even if the Fathers often re-defined them to serve their own purposes. So why would it be different for the Founder of Christianity?

It’s just a guess though. I surely cannot prove that.

Kind regards,

The Saker

@Christ spoke mostly in Greek

That’s right. His Sermon on the Mountain was delivered in the Galilee of the Gentiles, where very likely Matthew transcribed it verbatim. Another reason is that He came to proclaim the Good News of the Kingdom of God: (κηρύσσων τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς βασιλείας τοῦ θεοῦ), to all mankind (And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature – καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· Πορευθέντες εἰς τὸν κόσμον ἅπαντα κηρύξατε τὸ εὐαγγέλιον πάσῃ τῇ κτίσει) (Mark 1:14, 16:15)

The thesis that the Gospels were written in Aramaic or Hebrew or God knows what “semitic” dialect is part of the deliberate attempt to portray Jesus as an exclusively “Jewish” rabbi, who came to announce the restoration of the “glorious” exclusively Jewish kingdom of David and Solomon. Therefore the canonical Gospels (Greek) could not have been but “corruptions” of the “real” intentions and words of Jesus, written in a conveniently “disappeared” original i. e. Aramaic “Injil”. The thesis of the Aramaic originals goes in tandem with the push for the Masoretic text as the authoritative one.

VINEYARDSAKER: said…,

“I always believed that Christ spoke mostly in Greek for two reasons: this is the language of three out of four Gospels and Greek words have been used from the Apostolic times to describe spiritual categories.”

Dear Saker,

Most resident of Galilee spoke Aramaic and not Greek. Remember, even Aramaic speaking Arabs (Semites) are considered Gentiles. Therefore, you must have seen the movie called, “The Passion of the Christ”. Mel Gibson is still till today being fried by Hasbara for this movie.

Pope Paul Jone II considered the movie to be historically accurate and in that movie Jesus only spoke Aramaic and not a word of Greek. Even to the Masters, and he had to be translated from Aramaic.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Nora said…,

“I is confuzzled — what a hodge-podge! How on earth did you decide which language to use just to say hello to someone on the street?”

Excellent, Nora as usual.

I believe you must have seen The Passion of Christ by Mel Gibson.

The Masters (Colonizers) were few, and those served the Masters were few. However, most of the resident spoke Aramaic to each other. Mostly residents were Gentiles (Arab Semites) and very few Jews. Hebrew was a dead language by then.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Nora Said…,

“The true peasants spoke their native tongue (yes, Aramaic, certainly not Hebrew), while the more sophisticated ones used Greek but also knew Aramaic. So I’m guessing when Jesus spoke to the people, like The Sermon On The Mount, he’d use their language, but being also God, he clearly could use any language he wished, and may very well have used Greek ideas and/or language to express them.”

Excellent about the general population and Jesus being God can speak any language. But I am not able to properly convey what I am saying.

Jesus discourse to his disciples and general population was in Aramaic and not in Greek. Therefore:

1. The original Gospels should have been in Aramaic.

2. But, instead the originals Gospels are in transliterated Greek. Therefore, the original discourse is not original and lost in translation.

3. Even the original TaNaKh is transliterated into Septuagint.

4. Thus, the complete Bible, both NT and OT are nothing but original, as they are both transliterated.

5. And then, they are further transliterated into English, German, Russian and so forth.

Sorry to be so rude, but I hope you catch my drift.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Dearest Nora,

Jesus came for the masses, for the true peasants and he spoke their native tongue Aramaic to them. Jesus didn’t exclusively come for the Master (Colonizers) and the more sophisticated ones who used Greek but also knew Aramaic.

Thus, Aramaic was the language of the day and not Greek.

Even when Jesus is put to the cross, he speaks Aramaic to the Father and not Greek.

Mathews 27:46 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, eli, eli, lama sabachthani?”

Mark 15:34 “eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani?”

Jesus could have spoken to Father in Greek as they both knew and understood Greek, but Jesus choose Aramaic for the masses (the true peasants).

Best regards,

Mohamed.

@Mohamed:“eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani?”

I do not have the time to join you in your interesting conversation, but I have to tell you, with all due respect, that you are missing the importance of the use of specific expressions in specific languages in the Scripture. Some texts, such as the Book of Daniel, have specific passages written in a different language and Christ Himself, sometimes uses an apparently common expression, such as the Son of Man, which directly points to a *specific* scripture written in a different language to indicate a reference to *specific* notion. As I said, I don’t have the time to go into all that here, but I would caution you against the Protestant notion that the Scripture is self-explanatory as it is not, quite to the contrary. Even well translated into a modern language the books of the New and, even more so, Old Testament are *extremely* hard to understand without the proper cultural and historical context. This is why some sophomoric “researchers” find apparent “contradictions” in the Scripture or why they simply completely misunderstand what it says.
I am personally absolutely convinced that it is simply *IMPOSSIBLE* to understand the Scripture without the *absolutely indispensable* Patristic commentary to it. Without such an indispensable commentary people always end up like the Protestant denominations: an infinite amount of mutually contradictory “explanations” and an infinite amount of “denominations” all as confused and all clueless as each other.
My 2cts.
Kind regards,
The Saker

Dearest Nora,

1. Why doesn’t the original contains, if the discourse was in Aramaic, then the written should have been in Aramaic. If the discourse was in Greek, then the written should have been in Greek. Why not the original Gospels contains both the languages?

2. Why do we only have 4 words of Jesus in Aramaic in the Original Greek Gospels?

Now, let us look at the 4 words of Jesus in Aramaic:

Mathews 27:46 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, eli, eli, lama sabachthani?”

Mark 15:34 “eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani?”

The correct written usage should have been:

“elohi, elohi, lama sabachthani?”

In Mark’s written usage we are missing the letter “h”. It is not the letter “h” but the letter “closed t” for a feminine noun, which is pronounced as “h”.

For example, the feminine suggestive name “Laylah”, “Layla”, “Lailah”, “Laila” …..

In Mathews’ written version we are missing both the short vowel “o or a” and the letter “h” too.

In spoken Hebrew and Arabic, short vowels are pronounced, but not written in Old, old Arabic (Hebrew) and not written in Modern Arabic till today. The complete TaNaKh (OT) didn’t contain the short vowels, and these were inserted in TaNaKh from the Holy Quran during 12th to 15th century.

Now the literal translation of “elohi, elohi, lama sabachthani?”

Literal Translation: god my god my when forsaken you me

Notes:

1. There are no capital letters in Semitic languages.

2. There are no commas and periods in Semitic languages, the verses are continuous and for commas “and” is used.

3. The nouns are possessive pronouns and possessive nouns.

4. The verbs are similar too, meaning being possessive.

5. Four words of Jesus in Aramaic are translated into eight in English. You can see how efficient the language is.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Dearest Saker,

In the end it all boils down to old age argument that it is “inspired”.

To Orthodox, it is their Church which is inspired. To Catholics, it is their Church which is inspired and to each of the Protestants denomination, it is each of their denomination which is inspired.

The above is, we are only talking about the Christians. Then add to it, the Muslims, the Jews, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Zoroastrians ans so forth.

So how about that each of us are correct and on the right path and workshop God in our own way, provided we are Good in our deeds and not Evil in our deeds.

God being Unconditional Mercy and Eternal Mercy, those with good deeds will inherit the Heaven. Those with somewhat bad deeds, will be allowed to enter Heaven from Hell, provided they have properly repented to God (Eternal Mercy) in Hell and God has accepted their repentance.

It is our deeds that matters, not our intentions.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

,Dearest Saker,

I am truly amazed how marvelous host you are and how open minded and kind person you are.

I am eternally indebted to you, to give me such an leeway on your blog.

Elohim (swt) and Jesus (as), to give you and your entire family good in this life and good in afterlife.

Amen Rabbi,

Mohamed.

BTW, both Muslims’ Scripture and Sunnah of Mohammad (saws) are corrupt too! Maybe, now Mindfriedo will also call me a Jew too for calling a spade a spade! lol, my dearest friend WizOz has already claimed that. :)

WizOz said….,

“What you call the “original Gospel” never existed. It is a misrepresentation of the word “euanghelion” which means the Good News, which certainly was verbal, in Aramaic for Aramaic audiences, in Greek for Greek audiences. The Gospels as books describing the deeds of Jesus were written in Greeek.”

Dearest Friend WizOz,

Where to start and where to finish with you. Next you will claim that Abb (father) in Hebrew/Arabic is from Greek Abbot, forgetting what Abraham means. Just like you are claiming that “Good News” is from Greek. Do you know what the real meaning of Nabi (Navi) and Naba? Yes, the “Good News” was verbal because Jesus (as) was Nabi and he used to Naba people.

But you keep forgetting that Jesus was a simple Semite. He was not a while skin, blue eyes, blond dude. He was more than a simple Nabi and he was a Rosool too. Where is Jesus Risala?

And, BTW since Jesus was a Semite this Risala of Jesus should be in Aramaic and not Greek. Yes, the Naba is in Greek and called, “Good News” from Semitic language Nabi (Naba).

You consider that all the Catholics and Protestants will go to Hell, forget the Muslims. Sister like Nora, who is either Catholic or Protestant will burn in Hell, just because she is not Orthodox Christian.

BTW, New International Version (NIV) or New International Bible (NIB) has put complete Jesus Divinity into footnotes. In next printing about 50 years from now, it will be out of footnotes too.

As Nora mentioned, now the Christians in West don’t believe in Jesus Resurrection.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

P.S. We are God’s Children and God owns us. We don’t own God, and God doesn’t get involved in petty fights of His Children, just like any mother and father.

My friend Mahomed,

You will be a passed master at dodging questions. You commit a well known fallacy used in disputes, called Ignoratio elenchi. The nature of the fallacy consists in substituting for a certain issue another which is more or less closely related to it, and arguing the substituted issue. My contention was that: “THE WORD evanghelion IS GREEK: εὐαγγέλιον, euangelion (eu- “good”, -angelion “message”). And that the Aramaic word being (ܐܘܢܓܠܝܘܢ ewang’eliyawn) it is clear that they use for your “Naba” the Greek word. Why? The Arabic word Injil is its turn derived from the Greek word Εὐαγγέλιον (euangelion). Why the Arabs use the same Greek word?

Instead you start reproaching me that: “you keep forgetting that Jesus was a simple Semite. He was not a while skin, blue eyes, blond dude”.

Now your affirmation is not based on anything than, I suspect, the brutish “reconstruction” of Jesus face popularized by the BBC series Son of God wherefrom you took the “olive-coloured”. This is utter non-sense, in keeping with the theories of “Jesus the Jew” and even with the second century anti-Christian philosopher Celsus who wrote that Jesus was “ugly and small”.

The real appearance of Jesus is not in doubt. The icons, as we know, are based on the image of Shroud of Turin, on the so-called Abgar icon, on written traditions like The Letter of Lentulus:

“A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick”.

You would tell me that these are inventions of the white people (racists, of course). How about this:

Sahih Muslim Book 001, Hadith Number 0325
“Chapter : Pertaining to Jesus son of Mary and al-Masib al-Dajjil.

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I saw near the Ka’bah a man of fair complexion with straight hair, placing his hands on two persons. Water was flowing from his head or it was trickling from his head. I asked: Who is he? They said: He is Jesus son of Mary or al-Masih son of Mary”.