Interesting interview, but they completely miss the point on non-white immigration into countries that have traditionally been white ethno states.
Whatever negative attitudes against non-white immigration is not driven by Israel’s ethnocentric mentality “catching on”, but is a reaction to open border policies installed by JEWS who have gained a disproportionate level of control and influence in traditionally white/Anglo countries.
JEWS have always been at the forefront of the push for open borders in all white countries they control, while demanding a pure ethno state for themselves.
Max Blumenthal has obviously been studying white nationalist thought but he’s got it backwards: only in Israel do the political elites believe in the ethnostate and believe that government should serve the interests of the definitive ethnic group that defines the nation.
Throughout the rest of the Zionist dominated western world elites are intolerant of ethnonationalism and are huge supporters of multiculturalism (which should more appropriately be called multi-racialism). That’s why they are rushing to accelerate the demographic displacement of their majority population through unrestrained third world immigration — even in the midst of a recession and pervasive unemployment!
Also, Blumenthal is grossly overstating the alliance between nationalist movements and Israel. Brevik, notwithstanding, most white nationalists hate Israel because they are aware of the pivotal role of Jews in accelerating the demographic displacement of whites and in facillitating cultural and intellectual movements which promote promote the hatred and delegitimisation of western values, religion, beliefs, and people.
All of these movements are endlessly touted in the Jewish controlled msm and academia. Take NPR as an example. When was the last time you ever heard criticism of multiculturalism anywhere on NPR or in the msm? Such talk is simply not tolerated. Nor is criticism of Jews or of minorities. The only collective group that is singled out for derision is whites and white Christians — especially white men whom academia always dehumanizes with the moniker “white male” rather than “white man”.
@Anonymous & Nationalist: considering that categories such as “white” or “Jew” have no basis in reality it is rather amusing to see the kind of nonsense you can come up with when you use them. “Faith based racism?”. The other funny thing is that somebody could seriously identify himself as a “White nationalist” even though “White” is a meaningless word and “nationalist” is a concept which only appeared in the 19th century. Bottom line: racial/ethnic “white” “nationalists” are an exact copy of the other crazy racial/ethnic group out there, the Zionists, and even though they hate each other, the operate with the exact same (nonsensical) categories.
And when truly intelligent folks like Blumenthal or Sands attempt to educate “nationalists” about the facts of life, the latter simply dismiss them as “Jews”.
As I have said many times: ain’t no such thing as an intelligent racist.
>And when truly intelligent folks like Blumenthal or Sands attempt to educate “nationalists” about the facts of life, the latter simply dismiss them as “Jews”.
Forgive this “dumb racist”, but at which point in my comment do I accuse Mr Blumenthal or Mr Sands of being “Jews”?
>considering that categories such as “white” or “Jew” have no basis in reality
Well, I could tell right away Glenn Greenwald is Jewish just by looking his photo. His Wikipedia page confirms my observation was spot on.
@Anonymous:Forgive this “dumb racist”, but at which point in my comment do I accuse Mr Blumenthal or Mr Sands of being “Jews”?
Actually, you “accuse” Jews of being Jews :-) As you do with Mr. Greenwald whom you identify as a Jew based on a photo. All of that being a breathtaking example of stupidity and ignorance because if you had traveled in countries such as Italy or Greece you would have seen plenty of Jew-look-alikes while if you travel to Israel you would see plenty Jew who do not look Jewish at all. Which, of course, makes sense. Since there is no such thing as a “Jew” anyway, its an invented nation, it would make sense that it would not have a distinguishing characteristic making it possible to identify it.
And, therefore, when you ask me whether I have ever seen “a Jew” I can only answer by saying that I have seen people calling themselves Jews and I have seen people called Jews by others, but whether in either case I was actually beholding the sight of a “real” Jew is impossible to ascertain simply because that category – Jew – has no basis in reality.
BTW – I think that one of the things which inevitably makes racists dumb is all the time and effort they put into operating with nonsensical categories while totally removing their awareness from the real world. Just like spending your life in Disneyland will make you dumb, spending your life in “Raceland” also will cripple your intellect.
Being a Christian, on the other hand, is an identity wholly derived from culturally determined mythologies.
Jew may be primarily a social construct, as is being an American or being Catholic, but what matters is that being a Jew is an identity — whether you approve of that identity or not. Jews think of themselves as a distinct people with distinctly different interests and who harbor huge grudges against the civilizations amongst whom they dwelled.
And when truly intelligent folks like Blumenthal or Sands attempt to educate “nationalists” about the facts of life, the latter simply dismiss them as “Jews”.
No one is dismissing Blumenthal as merely a Jew, but the fact is he is grossly exagerating the links between Jews and the European New Right. All the talk of Blumenthal’s intelligence and your callow criticism of white nationalist intellgence is pure ad hominem. In other words it is a logical fallacy. Your appeal to imagined intelligence of your interlocuturs has no bearing whatsoever on the question of whether Blumenthal’s claim is correct.
European nationalists and white nationalists have always regarded Jews as a people with an alien identity and persistent historical grievances against Whites. That’s true regardless of what you imagine to be true of anyone’s inteligence.
As for adhering to simplistic mantras like “ain’t no such thing as an intelligent racist” you can believe it if you choose, but know that your belief simply cannot substantiated by facts.
@Nationalist: look, no offense intended, proving to you that a category like “White race” is meaningless would simply bore me out of my mind. I will just say this: Yes, there are obviously differences between human (not only skin color, but even psychological differences), and yes, DNA plays a key role in determining many of those differences. But to speak of “white race” or, “continental race” means absolutely nothing. Its lumping Siberian Russians, with the Sicilians and the Irish and if you think of Black race its even worse, since not only would you lump Ethiopians with Bushmen, but you would have to even consider Tamils and Australian aborigines. This is such a load of crap that it cannot sustain even a cursory interaction with the real world.
As for the category “Jew” it has a meaning in a tribal sense – a tribe being something you can join or leave, and which usually forms around certain values or leaders. And it can mean something if you refer to Rabbinical Judaism, which is basically the modern version of the sect of the Pharisees so well described in the New Testament. Some people speak of “Judaics” when referring to the religion. Fine by me. But, and in categorical opposition to what the Zionists and/or Judaics fancy themselves, there is not such thing as an ethnic Jew. At least not in the sense that would like that putative Jew to the Jews with lived in Palestine up to 70AD and, really, later as Professor Sands demonstrates: the contemporary group closest to the New Testament Jews are, surprise surprise, the Palestinians who have even more genetic material in common with those New Testament Jews than the Sephardi Jews and massively more than the Ashkenaz Jews who are mostly Turkic in their genetic makeup.
Anyway – read Shlomo Sand’s “The Invention of the Jewish People” or listen to one of his lectures on YouTube.
I never considered Jews to be any different from whites either until I came to understand that THEY DO see “white Europeans” as a race and THEMSELVES a distinctly separate race/tribe.
Have they not maintained a culture of separateness? Have they not refused to integrate with their host population for thousands of years? Have they not historically turned viciously on their host when it suits their tribal interests?
However when a white guy criticize them as a race/tribe (their world view not ours), he’s a “racist”.
I’d personally wager that if “they” who see themselves as separate and distinct (call them “Jews” or whatever you like) and view “whites” as a race, not only different from Jews, but also blacks, Asians, Arabs, etc and as a distinct enemy group, had not gained MAJOR control over..
1. Western banking systems (via the Federal Reserve and central banks) 2. TV broadcasting and print media, Hollywood major PR firms, etc 3. Major Corporations 4. Political systems (via campaign donations and various methods of extortion) 5. Legal Systems 6. Think Tanks 7. Education 8. Churches and other social institutions
(This is not mentioning white collar crime, espionage, the pornography industry, illegal sex trade and other black market actives etc…)
.. and were not highly committed to using their immense power towards promoting ..
1. The Destruction of Christianity 2. Multiculturalism and Open Border policy 3. The destruction of the Family Unit (the cornerstone of “whites”/”Anglos”/”Christian” culture) 4. Revisionism of Mainstream History 5. Hate Speech Laws 6. Economic Recessions and Depressions 7. Gun control (confiscation of “the enemy’s” guns and ability to fight back) 8. Most wars including false flag events to get us into wars in the Middle East, wars that we are expected to fight 9. Promotion of cultural degeneracy and the destruction of “white culture”
.. then most “dumb racists” could care less about the difference between a white man and a Jew
But in a way you’re right, we are indeed quite stupid for being fooled into believing that Jews view us in the same way we view them and are compatible with our interests, culture and way of life.
@Anonymous00:37: This might surprise you, but I agree with *everything* you wrote. Your description of the Jewish *tribe* is absolutely correct. But nowhere in your argument do you call them a race or an ethnicity and, therefore, there is nothing in what you wrote which is racist in any way. Now, of course, the ADL would go absolutely apeshit and call you a horrible “racist and antisemite” (notice how they always want to make it sound like “racist” is bad, but “antisemite” is even worse?), but that is because *they* are racists and full of shit, like all racists are.
Again, I see not a single world in what you are saying which could be called “racist”. But let me ask you this: do you believe that one can be born in a “Jewish” family (however defined) and *NOT* participate in what you describe? Is it possible to be like Gilad Atzmon or Norman Finkelstein and refuse to join the “Jewish tribe”? If your reply is “yes” – then you are not a racist. If your reply is “no” – then you are a racist. Does that make sense?
As Gilad Atzmon repeats it over and over and over, Jews are not a race, but Jews are racist. The question for us is can we fight their ideology WITHOUT falling into the same intellectual fallacy of thinking of them as a race?
Finally, by not being racist and be reaffirming our common humanity we can be far more vehement in our denunciation of the Jewish tribal ideology because we can begin by proclaiming that every single person has a *choice* and that there is therefore no excuse for making the *choice* to join the racist Jewish tribe.
Does that explain my point of view better? Does it make sense to you?
“As Gilad Atzmon repeats it over and over and over, Jews are not a race, but Jews are racist. The question for us is can we fight their ideology WITHOUT falling into the same intellectual fallacy of thinking of them as a race?”
I don’t know if you had a chance to watch all four parts of this interview but you may find it noteworthy that Max Blumenthal cites his interest in white nationalist thought and, ironically, specifically names Gilad Atzmon as a “classical antisemite” in the fourth part of this series.
Ironically, Gilad Atzmon also has been studying white nationalist thought and its critique of Jewish political and cultural influence. He cites Kevin MacDonald (with the requisite disclaimers, of course) occasionally and even reposted this crude propaganda piece that delves into the unspoken nation-wrecking agenda and hatred that underlie multi-culturalism and the promotion of mass immigration by hordes of peoples who do not identify with the culture of lands they are settling into:
Interesting interview, but they completely miss the point on non-white immigration into countries that have traditionally been white ethno states.
Whatever negative attitudes against non-white immigration is not driven by Israel’s ethnocentric mentality “catching on”, but is a reaction to open border policies installed by JEWS who have gained a disproportionate level of control and influence in traditionally white/Anglo countries.
JEWS have always been at the forefront of the push for open borders in all white countries they control, while demanding a pure ethno state for themselves.
Max Blumenthal has obviously been studying white nationalist thought but he’s got it backwards: only in Israel do the political elites believe in the ethnostate and believe that government should serve the interests of the definitive ethnic group that defines the nation.
Throughout the rest of the Zionist dominated western world elites are intolerant of ethnonationalism and are huge supporters of multiculturalism (which should more appropriately be called multi-racialism). That’s why they are rushing to accelerate the demographic displacement of their majority population through unrestrained third world immigration — even in the midst of a recession and pervasive unemployment!
Also, Blumenthal is grossly overstating the alliance between nationalist movements and Israel. Brevik, notwithstanding, most white nationalists hate Israel because they are aware of the pivotal role of Jews in accelerating the demographic displacement of whites and in facillitating cultural and intellectual movements which promote promote the hatred and delegitimisation of western values, religion, beliefs, and people.
All of these movements are endlessly touted in the Jewish controlled msm and academia. Take NPR as an example. When was the last time you ever heard criticism of multiculturalism anywhere on NPR or in the msm? Such talk is simply not tolerated. Nor is criticism of Jews or of minorities. The only collective group that is singled out for derision is whites and white Christians — especially white men whom academia always dehumanizes with the moniker “white male” rather than “white man”.
@Anonymous & Nationalist: considering that categories such as “white” or “Jew” have no basis in reality it is rather amusing to see the kind of nonsense you can come up with when you use them. “Faith based racism?”. The other funny thing is that somebody could seriously identify himself as a “White nationalist” even though “White” is a meaningless word and “nationalist” is a concept which only appeared in the 19th century. Bottom line: racial/ethnic “white” “nationalists” are an exact copy of the other crazy racial/ethnic group out there, the Zionists, and even though they hate each other, the operate with the exact same (nonsensical) categories.
And when truly intelligent folks like Blumenthal or Sands attempt to educate “nationalists” about the facts of life, the latter simply dismiss them as “Jews”.
As I have said many times: ain’t no such thing as an intelligent racist.
Cheers,
The Saker
>And when truly intelligent folks like Blumenthal or Sands attempt to educate “nationalists” about the facts of life, the latter simply dismiss them as “Jews”.
Forgive this “dumb racist”, but at which point in my comment do I accuse Mr Blumenthal or Mr Sands of being “Jews”?
>considering that categories such as “white” or “Jew” have no basis in reality
Well, I could tell right away Glenn Greenwald is Jewish just by looking his photo. His Wikipedia page confirms my observation was spot on.
Here’s his picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glenn_greenwald_portrait.jpg
Have you not seen a Jew before?
@Anonymous:Forgive this “dumb racist”, but at which point in my comment do I accuse Mr Blumenthal or Mr Sands of being “Jews”?
Actually, you “accuse” Jews of being Jews :-) As you do with Mr. Greenwald whom you identify as a Jew based on a photo. All of that being a breathtaking example of stupidity and ignorance because if you had traveled in countries such as Italy or Greece you would have seen plenty of Jew-look-alikes while if you travel to Israel you would see plenty Jew who do not look Jewish at all. Which, of course, makes sense. Since there is no such thing as a “Jew” anyway, its an invented nation, it would make sense that it would not have a distinguishing characteristic making it possible to identify it.
And, therefore, when you ask me whether I have ever seen “a Jew” I can only answer by saying that I have seen people calling themselves Jews and I have seen people called Jews by others, but whether in either case I was actually beholding the sight of a “real” Jew is impossible to ascertain simply because that category – Jew – has no basis in reality.
BTW – I think that one of the things which inevitably makes racists dumb is all the time and effort they put into operating with nonsensical categories while totally removing their awareness from the real world. Just like spending your life in Disneyland will make you dumb, spending your life in “Raceland” also will cripple your intellect.
Cheers!
Enough with this silly casuistry about a “basis in reality”. White is a biologically determined category. Race is real and is genetically determined:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pNn3gOELAg
Being a Christian, on the other hand, is an identity wholly derived from culturally determined mythologies.
Jew may be primarily a social construct, as is being an American or being Catholic, but what matters is that being a Jew is an identity — whether you approve of that identity or not. Jews think of themselves as a distinct people with distinctly different interests and who harbor huge grudges against the civilizations amongst whom they dwelled.
And when truly intelligent folks like Blumenthal or Sands attempt to educate “nationalists” about the facts of life, the latter simply dismiss them as “Jews”.
No one is dismissing Blumenthal as merely a Jew, but the fact is he is grossly exagerating the links between Jews and the European New Right. All the talk of Blumenthal’s intelligence and your callow criticism of white nationalist intellgence is pure ad hominem. In other words it is a logical fallacy. Your appeal to imagined intelligence of your interlocuturs has no bearing whatsoever on the question of whether Blumenthal’s claim is correct.
European nationalists and white nationalists have always regarded Jews as a people with an alien identity and persistent historical grievances against Whites. That’s true regardless of what you imagine to be true of anyone’s inteligence.
As for adhering to simplistic mantras like “ain’t no such thing as an intelligent racist” you can believe it if you choose, but know that your belief simply cannot substantiated by facts.
Kind Regards,
Nationalist
@Nationalist: look, no offense intended, proving to you that a category like “White race” is meaningless would simply bore me out of my mind. I will just say this: Yes, there are obviously differences between human (not only skin color, but even psychological differences), and yes, DNA plays a key role in determining many of those differences. But to speak of “white race” or, “continental race” means absolutely nothing. Its lumping Siberian Russians, with the Sicilians and the Irish and if you think of Black race its even worse, since not only would you lump Ethiopians with Bushmen, but you would have to even consider Tamils and Australian aborigines. This is such a load of crap that it cannot sustain even a cursory interaction with the real world.
As for the category “Jew” it has a meaning in a tribal sense – a tribe being something you can join or leave, and which usually forms around certain values or leaders. And it can mean something if you refer to Rabbinical Judaism, which is basically the modern version of the sect of the Pharisees so well described in the New Testament. Some people speak of “Judaics” when referring to the religion. Fine by me. But, and in categorical opposition to what the Zionists and/or Judaics fancy themselves, there is not such thing as an ethnic Jew. At least not in the sense that would like that putative Jew to the Jews with lived in Palestine up to 70AD and, really, later as Professor Sands demonstrates: the contemporary group closest to the New Testament Jews are, surprise surprise, the Palestinians who have even more genetic material in common with those New Testament Jews than the Sephardi Jews and massively more than the Ashkenaz Jews who are mostly Turkic in their genetic makeup.
Anyway – read Shlomo Sand’s “The Invention of the Jewish People” or listen to one of his lectures on YouTube.
The Saker
I never considered Jews to be any different from whites either until I came to understand that THEY DO see “white Europeans” as a race and THEMSELVES a distinctly separate race/tribe.
Have they not maintained a culture of separateness?
Have they not refused to integrate with their host population for thousands of years?
Have they not historically turned viciously on their host when it suits their tribal interests?
However when a white guy criticize them as a race/tribe (their world view not ours), he’s a “racist”.
I’d personally wager that if “they” who see themselves as separate and distinct (call them “Jews” or whatever you like) and view “whites” as a race, not only different from Jews, but also blacks, Asians, Arabs, etc and as a distinct enemy group, had not gained MAJOR control over..
1. Western banking systems (via the Federal Reserve and central banks)
2. TV broadcasting and print media, Hollywood major PR firms, etc
3. Major Corporations
4. Political systems (via campaign donations and various methods of extortion)
5. Legal Systems
6. Think Tanks
7. Education
8. Churches and other social institutions
(This is not mentioning white collar crime, espionage, the pornography industry, illegal sex trade and other black market actives etc…)
.. and were not highly committed to using their immense power towards promoting ..
1. The Destruction of Christianity
2. Multiculturalism and Open Border policy
3. The destruction of the Family Unit (the cornerstone of “whites”/”Anglos”/”Christian” culture)
4. Revisionism of Mainstream History
5. Hate Speech Laws
6. Economic Recessions and Depressions
7. Gun control (confiscation of “the enemy’s” guns and ability to fight back)
8. Most wars including false flag events to get us into wars in the Middle East, wars that we are expected to fight
9. Promotion of cultural degeneracy and the destruction of “white culture”
.. then most “dumb racists” could care less about the difference between a white man and a Jew
But in a way you’re right, we are indeed quite stupid for being fooled into believing that Jews view us in the same way we view them and are compatible with our interests, culture and way of life.
@Anonymous00:37: This might surprise you, but I agree with *everything* you wrote. Your description of the Jewish *tribe* is absolutely correct. But nowhere in your argument do you call them a race or an ethnicity and, therefore, there is nothing in what you wrote which is racist in any way. Now, of course, the ADL would go absolutely apeshit and call you a horrible “racist and antisemite” (notice how they always want to make it sound like “racist” is bad, but “antisemite” is even worse?), but that is because *they* are racists and full of shit, like all racists are.
Again, I see not a single world in what you are saying which could be called “racist”. But let me ask you this: do you believe that one can be born in a “Jewish” family (however defined) and *NOT* participate in what you describe? Is it possible to be like Gilad Atzmon or Norman Finkelstein and refuse to join the “Jewish tribe”? If your reply is “yes” – then you are not a racist. If your reply is “no” – then you are a racist. Does that make sense?
As Gilad Atzmon repeats it over and over and over, Jews are not a race, but Jews are racist. The question for us is can we fight their ideology WITHOUT falling into the same intellectual fallacy of thinking of them as a race?
Finally, by not being racist and be reaffirming our common humanity we can be far more vehement in our denunciation of the Jewish tribal ideology because we can begin by proclaiming that every single person has a *choice* and that there is therefore no excuse for making the *choice* to join the racist Jewish tribe.
Does that explain my point of view better? Does it make sense to you?
Cheers,
The Saker
“As Gilad Atzmon repeats it over and over and over, Jews are not a race, but Jews are racist. The question for us is can we fight their ideology WITHOUT falling into the same intellectual fallacy of thinking of them as a race?”
I don’t know if you had a chance to watch all four parts of this interview but you may find it noteworthy that Max Blumenthal cites his interest in white nationalist thought and, ironically, specifically names Gilad Atzmon as a “classical antisemite” in the fourth part of this series.
You can read Gilad Atzmon’s reply here:
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/max-blumenthal-on-anti-semitism-neo-fascists-and-gilad-atzmo.html
Ironically, Gilad Atzmon also has been studying white nationalist thought and its critique of Jewish political and cultural influence. He cites Kevin MacDonald (with the requisite disclaimers, of course) occasionally and even reposted this crude propaganda piece that delves into the unspoken nation-wrecking agenda and hatred that underlie multi-culturalism and the promotion of mass immigration by hordes of peoples who do not identify with the culture of lands they are settling into:
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/how-whites-took-over-america-1.html