By Prof. Slobodan Antonic, Department of Sociology, University of Belgrade (Translated for the Saker Blog)
“Vatican hatred” is not a quote from a publication on the Croatian genocide against Serbs between 1941−1945. It is a phrase used by the three-time Pulitzer Prize winner Thornton Wilder in his novel “The Bridge of San Luis Rey,” to describe a hatred that is strong, deep, persistent, and cruel.
Of course, not everyone in the Vatican hates, nor are all haters Catholics. However, nations belonging to the cultural domain of Eastern Christianity are sometimes genuinely amazed by the depth and intensity of hatred emanating from influential Western ideologues, some powerful institutions, and numerous “voluntary executors” of various extermination projects. Formally they also are European and Christian, but they belong to a slightly different tradition and culture.
Serbs got a taste of it several times in the 20th century. They face it even today. An example is writer and Nobel Prize winner Herta Miller, Romanian-German novelist, who said publicly what most Germans think about Serbs when she endorsed the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. And Germany, at least while Serbia’s current president was prime minister, was said to be our main Western friend. What are our enemies like then?
Serbs, at least when it comes to Eastern Europe, are not the only target of Western hatred. There are, of course, also the Russians. As one American woman of Serbian origin correctly remarked while watching TV over there, “the enemies of the Western world have been stable and unchanged for 30 years: Serbia and Russia. Terrible Orthodox Serbs who, in terror, slaughtered a huge number of peaceful democratic Muslims and no less terrible Russian communists who destroyed democracy and freedom in Chechnya.”
Entire scholarly monographs on the West’s hatred of Russia have been written, and three of them have been translated in our country: “Russophobia: Two Paths to the Same Abyss” (translated in 1993) by Igor Šafarević; “Russophobia” (translated by 2016) by Giulietto Chiesa; and “Russia and the West – a Thousand Years of War: Russophobia from Charlemagne to the Ukrainian Crisis” (translated in 2017) by Guy Methane.
The word “Russophobia” is in the title of all three books. That word can be misleading. Phobias are irrational and unjustified fears, like being scared of a mouse when it jumps on a table (musophobia), even though it is a creature that will not eat us or bite our leg. However, in the case of Russia, it is not a matter of phobia, but of deep and constant hatred – a good example was recently given by James Jatras:
“Moscow could return Crimea to Ukraine, escort Kiev troops to Donbas on a red carpet, and hang Bashar Assad on a flagpole in Damascus. Sanctions imposed by Washington on Moscow would remain, and even gradually intensify. See how long it took us to get rid of the Jackson-Venik law (a law that limited trade relations with the USSR, passed in 1974 and repealed only in 2012). The Russophobic impulse that controls American policy does not come from what the Russians do, but from who they are: Russia delenda est!”
Now, in Serbia, we have a newly-published book that talks about Russia hatred in our country. It is “Russophobia among Serbs 1878−2017″, by Dejan Mirović. Where did the Serbs get this from, given that the Russians helped us get rid of the Turks and rebuild a state, that because of us in 1914 they went to war with Austria-Hungary (and Germany), that in 1944 they helped us get rid of German Nazism, and that today they defend our claim to Kosovo, sometimes better than official Belgrade?
The first source of Russophobia in Serbia, in the last two centuries, is certainly the trickling down of anti-Russianism from the West. Serbia is perceived in the West as a small, Balkan Russia”, a traditional Russian stronghold in the Balkans. That is why all anti-Russian strategic projects allocate significant funds to suppress Russia’s popularity in Serbia, primarily through open anti-Russian propaganda.
Another source of anti-Russianism is the ideology of the local elite, which wants to “modernize” Serbia, but by Westernizing it. That elite, which existed in the 19th and 20th centuries, just as it exists today, wants Serbia to take over not only Western technology but also Western institutions, Western culture, and even the Western frame of mind (“Protestant spirit”). Since the model that Serbia should strive for can only be Western countries – France or Britain in the 19th century, and the EU today – Russia must be portrayed in the worst light, as it could not be a model for anything – not even in art, culture, or religion.
The third source of anti-Russianism in our country, during the last two centuries, were different political interests and different particular interests of the ruling elites of Serbia (Yugoslavia) and Russia (USSR). For example, in the 19th century, Russia wanted to take Constantinople. That is why the Bulgarians who inhabit the eastern Balkans – which could be considered the gates of Istanbul – were more important to her than the Serbs, who were geographically further away, in the west. The Russians, therefore, preferred Bulgarians at the time, supporting a Greater Bulgaria rather than a Greater Serbia. Thus, they endangered Serbian interests not only in Macedonia, but also in south-eastern Serbia. This was the real background of a certain coldness that developed in the policy of Serbian kings Milan and Aleksandar Obrenović towards Russia (a policy given a personal stamp in the “secret convention” concluded between Serbian Prince Milan and Austro-Hungary).
Another example of divergent interests is certainly the Titoist period, 1948−1989. Tito and his associates, after 1948, in fear for the survival of their regime, cruelly persecuted not only Sovietophiles but also Russophiles. A 20-year-old student, Vera Cenic, was tortured for two years (1950-1951) in the Goli Otok concentration camp only because she frequented the Soviet Cultural Center to watch Russian films, loved Russian literature and kept a diary in which she expressed her intimate reservations toward the official policy of keeping a distance from Russia.
Radivoj Berbakov was sentenced in 1980 to two and a half years in prison, which he served in the Sremska Mitrovica prison, for “enemy propaganda.” That consisted, among other things, of being “biased in favor of Russian art and literature, in the sense of exaggerating the merits of art and literature in the USSR,” which fits in with his statement that he “loves Russians and that no one can forbid him to love them.”
Of course, the Titoist nomenklature knew that a political upheaval in Yugoslavia would lead to Titoists losing not only power but also their personal freedom. That is why, at that time, as Mirović shows us in his book, a significant part of the public in Serbia was being soaked not only with anti-Soviet but also outright anti-Russian propaganda and ideology.
When it comes to today’s anti-Russianism in Serbia, its basic source is a combination of the first and second factors. As a result, contemporary anti-Russian manifestations here range from the unconscious absorption of Western ideological and propaganda clichés, to unabashed Russian hatred articulated by pro-Atlanticist, self-hating Serbs.
As an example, a truly dark, threatening and dangerous “Vatican hatred,” of the kind that Thornton Wilder was alluding to, erupts regularly in the texts of some of the columnists of the Western-financed Belgrade daily “Danas”. There, we can read that “Tsarist Russia dragged Serbia into the First World War”, and also that “Russians” took part in the 2003 assassination of the then prime minister Zoran Djindjic, on the spurious premise that “the assassination of the Prime Minister was the first step in returning Serbia to the Soviet orbit.”
In Serbia, according to this view, there is a “quisling attitude towards Russia”, that is, in our country there is a “Russian network” with “extremist groups under the obvious control of Serbian and Russian security services”. The line propounded by these circles is that “Putin’s Russia is robbing us of the remnants of European sovereignty and identity, economic potential and common sense”, warning that an “evolution from Serbian chauvinism to quisling Putinism” is taking place in Serbia.
Their buzzwords are that “Putin’s regime recognizes men as oligarchs and men, and women as either whores or grandmothers”, that “the boss in Moscow is pressuring Serbia to deviate from the democratic international order”, and that for Serbia “EU integration is a priority”.
There is also in Serbia “anti-Russian incitement propaganda,” with preposterous allegations that “half of the ministers seem to have been smuggled in from the Donetsk Republic”. The alleged concept of “Greater Serbia” was initially the object of their disdain. Now they have come up with the idea that Serbia is “in danger of becoming a Russian province”. Serbs are being told that reliance on Russia “destroys our democratic institutions and introduces us to dirty sources of financial capital,” ultimately leading Serbs to “pathological Sovietophilia”, and also enabling “treacherous conduct on the part of government organs, and even circles within the Serbian Orthodox Church”.
Of course, no other privatization project in Serbia but that of NIS has been denounced as questionable for those ideologues. The only problem they see in the area of privatization is the sale of the formerly state-owned petroleum enterprise, NIS, to Russian interests. And there is also the alleged “Putin spy center”, a Russian Emergency Situations outpost located in the city of Nis, accused of “nurturing criminal traditions and destroying fragile democracies in the region.”
The Russophobic lobby maintains that in Serbia “since 2004, the media under the supervision of each government have been preparing public opinion not only for new conflicts with neighbors, but also for World War III, which we will fight on the side of Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela”. The author of this particular diatribe goes on to wonder “how Vučić can possibly position Serbia in the victorious camp in the emerging international conflict.”
Russia and China are, according to this lobby, “factors of world disorder” because, as they absurdly argue, “the annual total of victims of state-party terror in Russia and China is almost equal to the victims of Mauthausen”. Hence, if Belgrade – which according to them is a “stinking sh##hole” opts to side with Russia, “Serbia will remain as the Balkan GDR”.
Don´t you feel a terrible, deep hatred in these words, not only towards Russia but also towards Serbia – just because Serbia is also Slavic, nationalistic, Orthodox and strives to march to its own drummer?
That hatred is unleased primarily in order to turn Serbs into someone else: Western “Protestants” and “citizens”, more precisely a consumerist crowd that lives in a territory, not a country, and which tomorrow can be replaced by some other, more “modern” and “politically correct” population.
Eruptions of such hatred are necessary in order to mould the “Serbian-European”, whose brain is crushed and the terrible “little Russian” within him is torn out. There is no doubt that this is the ultimate goal of Atlanticist policy in the Balkans. But that cannot happen without enthronement in the Serbian society of the equivalent of “Vatican hatred” – deep, systematic and cruel.
It is important to be able to recognize that hatred. It is contrary not only to our essential interests, but also to our civilizational identity that makes us special as a people and as a culture. The general public rejects it intuitively. But in the context of the announced “international conflict” – which will allegedly finally “separate the wheat from the chaff” – it serves as an early announcement of totalitarian repression against each and every one of us who loves his country and thinks for himself.
So each of us must take the risk of falling victim to “Vatican hatred”. Even you who are reading this text, dear reader.
This is interesting analysis, but not particularly objective image that someone not living in Serbia might get by reading this.
Russo-phobia in Serbia? Come on, who really read “Danas” in Serbia? Not more than 10% of hard-core “2-nd Serbian’s” ex-communist successors. And Slobodan Antonic who’s passion is to study this specific group located in narrow center area of Belgrade.
Russo-phobia has not chance in current Vucic’s Serbia. The fact that his child was attending Russian school in Belgrade is not much by itself but actually tells much more. In average, media space in Serbia is probably single most pro-Russian media space in the world (after Russia).
Much bigger problem in Serbia, from my point of view is our non-critical way of thinking – now that Russia finally confronted west in Ukraine, we like to think of it as a revenge for what west did to us. We just love to think of Russians as of our brothers.
While in reality average Russian does not have a clue about Serbia, our history and people (maybe after action in Ukraine and our refusal to impose sanctions, Serbia got some stronger media coverage but it does not change much).
What I do not like in Slobodan’s article is that he completely omitted latest history, since 90’ties while explaining “different political interests and different particular interests of the ruling elites”.
I think of it as much more important factor in Russo-Serbian relationships. Russian policy towards Serbia is in many ways consistent from 90-ties time of Yeltsin and Chernomyrdin until present days. Current Russia does not see Serbia much different than it did during 2nd half of 19th century, and Putin never gave us the reason to believe that we have in any way special treatment, not even in ex-YU environment.
The fact is that Russia did vote to impose sanctions to Serbia (short Yugoslavia at that time) and we do not owe anything to her. That fact will not save us from very bad situation if we do impose sanctions to Russia now.
International politics are based on interests and Serbia is not even close in Russian focus now, as it was not during last 40+ years.
And Russia is the future. Period.
What I am afraid of is that our own illusion about some special brotherhood and meaning of Serbs for Russia, might hurt us in near future.
And no, there is no significant Russo-phobia in Serbia, not from what I see.
I’m confident that Serbia has a sweetheart energy deal with Russia and this alone is most beneficial when competing with regional interests for market share.
Still I’d hope it’s not only the Serbian elites who enjoy the economic benefits, all the while dreaming of a menage a troi with a faux western utopia
You are right that Serbian-Russian history is not well known among the average Russian, and little is ever said about Serbia in the Russian media. However most Russians are aware of at least the moral support it has always received from a small nation deep inside Europe.
I don’t have any way to back this statement up but I believe the reason why so little is mentioned of Serbia in Russia almost to a point of purposeful, systemic blackout even when there are Russian flag wielding, pro Russian marches in Belgrade is because Russia doesn’t want a target on Serbias back. All of their dealings and meetings are backdoor and out of media spotlight. Serbia is surrounded by hostile territory and I think not much is expected of Serbia by Russia and not much is requested of it because of what it endured at the hands of NATO and Russia carries guilt for that. But I do believe that Serbia will somehow be used as a tool by Russia to bring an end to NATO.
@ LEV
yes, thank you for this observation, it makes sense not to raise attention about Serbia from Russian side considering very fragile environment and path Serbia is passing trough last decades (centuries).
From my point of view, it is perfectly reasonable an rationale from Russian side not to involve and be very careful with Serbia in recent and current geo-political power distribution.
With western “penetration” further to EAST and coming as close to Russia as currently in Ukraine, any confrontation with west on Balkans/Serbia space would be irrational form Russian side + possibly very harmful for Serbs.
Considering the policy of “maximum results with minimum resources” that Russia demonstrated in Syria and currently in Ukraine, the strength of Russia during last few decades, combined with history, and unpredictable nature of Serbs, I believe the only possible behavior towards Serbia from Russian side would be to keep “polite” distance.
On the top of that, I would say (this time I don’t have any way to back this statement) that some people creating Russian policies do not like to be reminded of Serbia. When Putin visited Belgrade in 2019, confronted with about 100K people in front of Saint Sava Church and managed to say only Хвала за пријатељство, many were dissapointed. I’d say we did put him in very uncomfortable position.
Anyway, the way I see things, there is nothing irrational or unexpected from Russian side regarding her policy about Serbia.
The problem is our own perception of ourselves that might lead us to same kind of trouble as it did on 27th of March 1941.
One has to understand that Serbia is not that united as it might seam from the outside view. Sandžak and Vojvodina, might be another Kosovo waiting to happen and Republika Srpska to follow the suit from the neighbourhood.
Swapping territories is not something Serbia is not unfamiliar, as in rumours about Preševo Valley swap, with but it’s a question does West Balkan needs another war to “fix things once for all” by killing another few hundreds of thousands Slavs and millions of refugees flee regardless who lose or win the war.
Russian volunteers have fought for Serbia’s cause in 90s in Croatia and Bosnia and if nothing Vučić has to allow his dogs of war to help SMO troops or Donbas militants.
Ajde ne seri siptarcino!
Come on, don’t be silly!
First and above all, BalkanS and its inhabitants are just a PIECE of a puzzle.
Not nearly as important as we were led to believe.
The whole planet has been under Anglo-Saxon subjugation, since 1492.
Vladimir the Great and Heroic people of RF have began to liberate humanity, from 530 years of pure TERROR by their vassals and satraps.
Humanity (88%) vs. Unified Nazi hordes (125), will prevail, like founders of American experiment did in 1776. American, Americans were warned about importance of PRESERVING and SAVING their Republic.
Dying, losing territories, soul and identity of Nationhood and Statehood for someone else’s interest is not a winning combination.Хвала аутору.
Wow! What an excellent addendum and corrective to the article, i&o.
The article gave me an overview into the forces at work in Serbian society, but your correction sharply focused that image.
Thanks a lot. Maybe you could expand your comments into a comprehensive piece.
All of the Western border states to Russia are being subjected to relentless, overt and subtle propaganda campaigns and it will be very important to track the effects which this is having on your society.
For me, Serbian society has been a direct victim of the empire and as such, has seen the iron hand behind the velvet curtain, as it were. As such I instinctively trust their opinions on matters of empire above those of the countries which have been only entertained by the variety program, and refused to learn from Serbia’s bitter but very instructive lesson.
Serbia of course is not alone as a victim, but in Europe, until Russia just took that role, it was, and much should have been learned by Europeans from that.
@ chris
Great advantage of Serbia is in a fact that we experienced western brutality and perfidy in so many examples and for so long time.
Serbs have a reflex not to trust anything coming from west, and that reflex being more than justified.
Only since recently, NATO aggression on Serbia was openly named that way in Serbian media. Before it was labeled as “NATO operation”. This change came from official government narrative, previous governments did not dare to notice that emperor is naked.
I am pretty sure that there is no country in Europe with so balanced approach in media regarding current Russo-Ukrainian conflict and also regarding western diabolic policies dating last 20 years or so. This matches the fact that Serbia is the only country in Europe refusing to impose sanctions to Russia. I am proud of our government – Vucic for this, pretty much as Hungarians can be proud of Orban.
Serbian society might be most advanced society in Europe at this time in terms of being completely aware of current historical moment and its background.
Before recent events in Ukraine, I considered Serbia being semi-colony, in contrary to other Balkan countries that were and still are full colonies of the west. Our position and recent NATO aggression gave space to our government to raise a had a little bit higher, building relations with Russia and China and be independent in some decisions, the way west did not like. This was not full sovereignty as there were many things we were not able to decide for ourselves and compromises our government had to make.
Lately, with issues about sanctions, and also during covid crisis I can see some patterns of real sovereignty trough resisting open pressure and not aligning open blackmail requests.
This however will not help us much in near future – our geopolitical and geographical position ensure that west will pacify us pretty soon. When exactly, depends of ongoing events in Ukraine, Mediterranean and Middle East.
There is so many space and many available ways to destabilize Serbia from outside – Crna Gora, Kosovo i Metohija, Bosna, and from inside also.
5th column in Serbia – political entities that were in power before Vucic, and aligned with western media are useless in attempts to destabilize Serbia. Vucic can wipe the floor with them, already proved during last 5 or so years. It is stupid to play on western card in Serbia, everyone knows what follows them, we’ve already been there. This fact is reflected in election results, as great majority in Serbia see Vucic as opposed to west although he is playing subtle game on the edge of the knife all the time, but his results are too obvious.
6th column is a strength, I see destabilization potential of this group in Serbia. These are groups believing they love their country and being patriots, while attacking the government that has obvious results in re-gaining sovereignty in economy, military and diplomacy field. This moment that can not be worse – Serbia extremely need stability in the time of threat то its own existence.
Anyway, I expect serious attempts of destabilization of Serbia soon. The attack vector might be trough creating crisis on current Serbian border involving Serbs being endangered, most probably in Montenegro (other candidates are Bosnia and Kosovo and Metohija).
@in&out
Wow! An excellent answer once again I/o ! Yeah, excellent in comprehension and understanding of the powers at work but scary in the prospects it unveils.
Without being Serbian or in Serbia, every thing you’ve said makes perfect sense to me, and I’m really happy to hear that your society is really awake to the forces at work against Russia, and by association against Serbia and every un-submissive country; it’s certainly a lot more than in any other Western country has managed to figure out.
And I know that things look pretty bleak right now, but these guys are beginning to look a lot like drunken sailors, and that can’t go on for too much longer.
Good luck to you and to your country, and to us all as well.
All you need to do is to educate people about the true history. Day by day, patiently, mirroring the effort of a creek “fighting” with a hard rock. Perseverance against strenght. Word against the sword, etc ………
I was shocked comparing what I witnessed in MSM TV in the 90s (there was no internet at the time) with hard core evidences revealed decades later how the war in former Yugoslavia erupted, why and who were to be blamed.
“The weight of the Chains”……..Few years ago while searching sth I came across this documentary. Fantastic piece of information, especially for all brainwashed by MSM propaganda. Many of you might be surprised who was the ultimate instigator for this war…..please check out from 47’52” of the attached linked (and spare only a minute or two, though I recommend watching the entire movie)………History does not repeat itself, but it often rhymes……”Internet” may forgive, but will not forget (especially depleted uranium missiles affecting new generations)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIwzWgOuBE
Boris Malagursky has done several videos which provide a truer picture of the wars in the former Yugoslavia and also has done some reporting with RT Times. Back then the main stream media was essentially the same creating false stories of rape camps, concentration camps and trying to make Milosevic look like Hitler. The same script is being used against Russia who has been better prepared to whether the storm. Yugoslavia was economically decimated but militarily initially won the war. However, the different Serb factions were not fully united, did not agree to various peace plans while the Croats and Bosnians strengthened in numbers, training and support from NATO. In this case, time was against the Yugoslav state and the so called western countries accelerated the recognition of Croatia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina knowing full well that it would result in the Serbian minorities revolting.
The wars of the former Yugoslavia have been frozen with non sustainable agreements in Kosovo with UN resolution 1244 and the Dayton Accords in Bosnia and Herzegovina which is essentially being overseen by a High Commissioner . The last High Commissioner Schmidt was supposed to be approved by the UN Security Council, it was bypassed. So he is illegitimate even under the Dayton Accords.
Montenegro and Northern Macedonia are small banana republics that have large Albanian populations that can be used to destabilize both countries.
Serbia only recently has started to recover from the wars militarily and economically. Croatia is essentially getting handouts from the EU and most of it’s economy is driven from Tourism. Slovenia economically has surpassed all the former Yugoslav countries but still has territorial disputes with Croatia.
Don’t underestimate that phenomenon. Look at Ukraine, 5% of them made all this mess. Also, at the very beginning of the WW2 in Croatia were only few hundred of Ustasha but two months later there was well organized system of killing Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in the most monsterous way the world ever seen. In specific circumstances even smallest minority can make really big shit.
Who bombed Serbia for 6 weeks in 1999? Russia, or NATO? So this right here tells you who is Serbia’s true enemy.
Remember, Russia from 1991 to 2000 was a weak nation led by a drunken pro-US stooge who should’ve done more for Serbs back then. If Putin was around at that time, I’m sure he would not tolerate the abuse Serbia has gotten. It is important to note the degree of US control and malign influence upon the actions of the Russian government in the 1990s. It is more correct to view any Russian shortcomings toward Serbia during that time as US inspired, not as a result of independent Russian policy. I remember seeing a news story back in 1999 that Russians signed up as volunteers to fight in Serbia, but Yeltsin, at the insistence of the US, EU and NATO prohibited them. Russia’s policy during that time wasn’t really its own, so Serbs must realize this.
I agree Edward but there were plenty of Russian volunteers fighting particularly in Bosnian and the Duma led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky was firmly trying to support Serbia. The main problem was that the Russian army was in a shambles. They were literally selling military equipment on the black market in order to support themselves.
The Russian Army made a bold move by sending an armor division to Pristina , Kosovo under the cover of night and they were welcomed as liberators. The Tank commanders barely had enough fuel and food for the journey. Under UN resolution 1244, part of the KFOR peacekeeping unit should have included Russian units for one of the sectors. British General Jackson essentially threatened the Russian force out of Pristina , Hungary and Romania closed the borders for any Russian reinforcements. That Russian armor division pulled out in complete disgrace, Putin has never forgotten that incident.
Not even a few months later, Serbian civilians were ethnically cleansed as the Yugoslav army pulled out and no Russian peacekeepers were on the ground, only NATO allowing the Albanian KLA terrorist units to roam free.
It was longer than 6 weeks – it was 78 days, so that’s 11 weeks and a day. NATO started bombing the last week of March and didn’t stop until a week and a half into June.
Interestingly, your comment is full of ambivalence. In a way, it is a very good example of just the phenomenon Professor Antonic is discussing :).
Perhaps due to a rather direct translation, the terms “autoshauvinsm” and “the second Serbia”, the main topics of his contemporary writings, may not be clear to a non-serbian reader. But perhaps the main prerequisite for an understanding of the text is that he is addressing just those phenomena, existing mainly in Belgrade, actually even more narrowly, the center of Belgrade (the interior of the circular tram line No. 2), not in Serbia at large. That fact that every single news outlet in Serbia is foreign (western) owned is not even mentioned in this particular text because this article is just of one of the many he has written, and he does not want to repeat things which to serbian readers are well known. To a foreign reader this very fact would explain a lot.
@in&out,
Russophobia is the official narrative at NATO’s N1, Nova SS, b92, official state broadcaster RTS and more or less subtle at Pink Media narco-gay circus and other so-called “Vucic” media.
Professor Slobodan Antonic is a doyen in the field of sociology and a great patriot who once was on the other , so-called liberal side which he abandoned after realising that the fight of the neo-liberals (gay fascists) against traditionalism is not a struggle for a more democratic society but a part of the good vs evil story where the gay fascists are anything but the good side. His book Power and Sexuality: Sociology of the Gay Movement shines the light on the hidden agenda of the Satanic political gay movement.
Professor Antonic continuously warns Serbs that their lackluster treatment of the memory of the innocent victims, especially children, senselessly slaughtered by Croats and Muslim Nazis of Bosnia and NATO narco-human-trafficking entity created in temporally occupied Kosovo and Methohija may lead to new sufferings and genocide.
It is worth to note that the previous parliament completely dominated by our pro-Albanian president Vucic’s party (some 95% of the members of that parliament were installed by Vucic and his minions) refused to back up the vote for a Memorial of Genocide committed against the Serbs in Croatia from 1941-45 in December of 2021.
@Original Marko
N1and Nova S – Petreus media and CNN branch in Serbia, so what else to expect than clean Russo-phobia.
My statement is that not more than 10% of people in Serbia regularly follow these channels.
As for B92 and RTS, these are not Russo-phobic, this statement does not stand for true. Just compare former 2 TV channels with later 2.
B92 once neo-liberal flagship of 2nd Serbia and Democratic party has in the meantime created a significant turn and has much more balanced policy regarding internal and external politics. As regarding current ongoing affairs in Ukraine and about Russia, there is no way you can call it Russo-phobic. This is also true for RTS national television.
The fact that RTS does not present things the way you and I see it by following Telegram channels, Cirilica and, yes B92 , and that they are pretty shy to openly slam west is not a sign of Russo-phobia. I never saw anything looking like openly hate towards Russia on RTS, the way N1 does.
I would define RTS as pretty censored for anything openly supporting nationalist, patriotic and pro Russian stance (these 3 are very different things) and in the same time trying to balance and censor the opposite, so not look openly – pro western, although they are. I am very unsatisfied with RTS, but it is not Russo-phobic.
I also do not see sublte- Russo phobia at PINK though I admit rarely watching it.
As for “Vucic” media not sure what that would be in TV media space, I do not read newspapers or follow any such media on internet, where I understand what you mean by that.
So, Russo-phobic are only the first two, which is expected as being CNN branch in Serbia.
All of above written should be correct unless one consider Russo-phobic every independent pro-Serbian position, especially in a part where it does not match pro-Russian position. Although Russians have been and are our friends and ally there were few things, situations in history and nowadays where Russian and Serbian interests does not match, you will agree.
IMO this analysis is juvenile. Most westerners these days are effectively atheist (as are probably most Russians).
The Catholic/Orthodox rivalry that burns with the power of 1000 suns is between Poles and Russians, and in my experience Russians hate Poles as much as the reverse.
I wouldn’t say most Westerners are atheist, in the sense they made a logical-rational “deeply scientific” analysis and got there. I think Westerners are more nihilistic, agnostic, hedonist, which in times of difficulty (economic crisis, for instance) makes people opportunistic.
What I mean to say is: a hard-hearted atheist will not support whatever the “progressive Vatican” or American Christian Zionism says about Russia (when they whip up Russophobia) but the average nihilistic Westerner will, for the sake of preserving his/her life standards.
Hardcore atheists at least have principles, they believe in non-believing, they won’t change in that, but the average nihilistic Westerner will simply support Russophobia because there’s less stuff in the market (and that’s entirely the EU fault, but telling them makes little difference).
The average Westerner supports Russophobia because that’s what the people on the boob tube tell them, point blank.
@ Ivy
American Christian Zionism says about Russia?
Unless one understands the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 about Gog and Magog one will never really come to grips with the Russophobia and Germaphobia. I grew up being told that these two nations represent the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel and with the bloodshed of two world wars with the rise of Stalin who hated everything religion and Hitler and then the rise of the Iron Curtain and such it seemed very accurate to believe that nonsense. A nonsense that still holds sway. Even Dr. Cantelon which I have quoted from his books quite extensively here on this blog even he mentioned Russia thusly:
from page 121
“Time and again America sought to reduce her military strength and atomic weaponry. But they found that the formula did not work. It was impossible to disarm for peace.
On the evening of Tuesday, May 27, 1969, I went to the postbox in front of our Washington home, and picked up the Newspaper, The Evening Star. the entire back page was devoted to an article by Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird and others, entitled, THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT HOW MANY U.S. SENATORS ARE BEING TRICKED BY RUSSIA.
The subtitles were equally startling:
Russia is racing to a five to one first strike nuclear superiority over America. Here is how they tricked America into letting it happen…and how they are now tricking many U.S. Senators into leaving us defenseless.
and this juicy nugget of nonsense from page 141-142:
“Little do the atheistic armies of Russia realize as they march toward Palestine, that they are marching toward their own destruction. Lucifer’s reign as Prince of this World is about to end. His time has finally run out. The prophet Ezekiel tells how God views this final act and says,
Thus saith the Lord God; in that day when my people of Israel dwell safely, shalt thou not know it? and thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts–a great company, and a mighty army: And thou shalt come against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; in shall be in the latter days. Ezekiel38:14-16
Two verses later, the prophet describes God’s fury and in verse 22, he tells of the fire from heaven that destroys the armies of Russia and her allies.
Now Cantelon was no Christian Zionist, was Oxford trained and was an advisor to the President of the US etc etc. He passed away at the turn of the millennium.
But this is how strong this belief held sway and still does in the West and it has to stop. I should know i wrote the book on the subject Lies, all Lies!! It was required of me by God.
Russia, Russia and Germany, what these two nations have suffered in the 20th Century wow!!!!
to be anticlerical does not mean to be atheist
Do not confuse either the “religious institution” and the man and his sermon
https://rusvesna.su/news/1653491670
@ Ulfr
Thank you immensely for the link you provided. A remarkable speech indeed.
(On Telegram: https://t.me/rusvesnasu/19150 )
“a hard-hearted atheist ”
Why do you believe athiests are hard hearted?
Quote: “atheists at least have principles, they believe in non-believing”.
Incorrect!
Atheists simply acknowledge that there is insufficient evidence to support god-belief ~ (it’s not about Actively non-believing).
The atheist foolishly closes his eyes to the world of evidence around him and then confidently asserts, “I can’t see a thing. Therefore, there must not be anything to see.”
I don’t think it has to do with the faith of each one. The Vatican’s hatred of the Orthodox Church, that is, the Slavs in general and the Russians in particular, has been embedded in the DNA of the West for more than a thousand years, literally by blood and fire, in such a way that time has lost the original reason for it, but it was incorporated into the collective unconscious of its elites.
(To this must be added that chauvinist Judaism or Zionism has never managed to penetrate as deeply into orthodoxy as it has into Protestantism and the Vatican).
The Western Roman Empire disappeared in the middle of the first millennium of our era and with it its Christian institutionality. So, from my point of view, the Vatican or Papacy is a heresy built by or from Charlemagne, and that tried to impose its earthly authority about the Christian church of the East, direct heir to the apostolic tradition, which does not accept. (The Eastern Roman Empire that lasted a thousand years more, with its Christian institutionality (Orthodoxy))
There is increasing evidence that the crusades were more about hiding the true roots of Christianity and its traditions (such as the “jihadis” in Syria and Iraq) and so the attack on Muslims and the “holy land” was the pretext to destroy the orthodox church…
Here in Canada I had the pleasure of meeting through work an expat Russian Vladimir and i learned his wife went to school with Putin, and her sister was actually in the same classes with Putin. To make a long story short Vladimir simply told me they would never return to Russia period! Why is because in his own words their all Bully’s. To that I replied who isn’t given what I and others went through in our own ways growing up here in Canada. This then brings me to an essay by a Rolo Slavisky and a warning one will not be happy to read what he has to say!
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/05/17/the-generational-divide-in-eastern-europe-the-bariga-generation/
If ever a generation needed the Gospel of Christ it is certainly the first generation that grew up during and after the fall of communism.
I am a little confused with Slobodan’s portrayal that Russophobia existed in the 19 and 20th century and under Tito’s regime. I disagree. Tsar Nicholas Romanov had a very close relationship with the Karadjeordjevic monarchy of Yugoslavia. Tsar Nicholas used to send his Navy officers to Montenegro for training. That relationship was close even within Catholic Croatia. Stephan Radić , leader of the Croatian Peasant party travelled to Russia extensively while leading anti Austro Hungary demonstrations. As for Tito’s Yugoslavia , even though they were not part of the Warsaw Pact, they were connected economically. In fact, many Yugoslav companies especially in the textile industry traded with Moscow.
As for King Milan Obrenović , this was more of a rivalry with the Karadgeordgevic dynasty. King Milan Obrenović was educated in Austria and implemented a very strong banking system in Serbia. So you could argue that the later Obrenović rulers had a more friendlier relations with the UK and Austro-Hungary. So friendly in fact that King Milan Obrenović may be the illegitimate father of Winston Churchill.
Catholic Croatia
Always living in inter conflict between Slavic identity and Catholic religious identity
People around Croatia think that Croats are very religious Catholics.
I think it is exaggeration. They are religious to some level but not that much as other people think.
@ Sarajevo man
I remember visiting Zagreb and her magnificent cathedral and was awestruck. More awe inspiring was as I walked about the city I stopped to watch a young girl stop in front of a statue of Mary in some alcove near city centre and couldn’t help but watch as she paid her respects and crossed herself etc in front of it. I always questioned this Mary this and Mary that but as I stood there Watching her faith and love I mumbled to myself well better that than selling one’s body on a street corner yes?
But you are correct we all make compromises. It is why God said back in Isaiah the need to test and purify us because our actions and character reflect upon God and He will not allow His glory to be defamed. That is why written over many churches are the words Ichabod!! God left the house I’m afraid.
And why few understand this?
I would nt label this article as plain BS but there are a few questions.
Is a western Christian of the gospel area -usually in northern, northwestern regions of Europe- so less a hater of russia than a Catholic one? Hard to swallow.
And are south and central american catholic majorities – counted by the hundreds of millions, in any way more susceptible or Russia hating than the North American ones? Of course not, quite to the contrary.
If the author knows nothing of History someone must tell him that catholic influence has suddenly or progressively died in the west from the shakes of 1789 to 1848 in a tectonic way up to our days.
I would similarly ask where the author gets the idea that Herta Miller’s actions and opinions reflect “what most Germans think about Serbs”.
There may be a religious group with deep seated hatred against Russians, that is particularly powerful in the West right now, but it sure as hell isn’t Catholics.
No, actually Catholic part of world does not have strong Russophobia.
Without having completed my own survey, I definitely agree, Sarajevo Man, it doesn’t seem quite right that Russophobia has really trickled down to the masses in any country. I don’t mean to say that the relentless propaganda could’t eventually produce this result, but to date, this seems to be a phenomenon at work only in the ecosystem of the ubiquitous propaganda sphere.
@sarajevo
I agree. Removed – breaks site rules. Mod.
The Catholic stance against Russians for 1.5 centuries was sadly correct: that they entertained as a people and then were the first country to act on a grave error that still poisons the world doing incalculable harm to the souls of billions. Not the revolution itself but its core ideology that man alone is primary and that he alone is saviour of his own destiny. It was the total expression of the errors proposed by Marx (man’s systems are sufficient) , Mills (man is an economic animal) and Darwin (led to a will to power) in 1854 and voted for by Russians first in an election.
Certainly the Russians paid most heavily for that error, but the effect of that trios thinking flowed from Russia into every corner of the globe and has bloomed into every kind of evil. The Russians started this.
Also in 1854 Mary appeared in Lourdes. ‘I am from heaven.’ she announced, as the direct counterpoint to the errors of those three men. In 1917 as the revolution against God unfolded she appeared again at Fatima and mentioned the errors of Russia which Catholics have specifically interpreted to relate to the contemporary bourgeois democratic February revolution that deposed the divinely appointed tsar and took control of all details of human existence.
Neither the Catholic Church nor its people hold an anti slav ideology, although it is to many of our great embarrassment and shame that the institution has become enthralled to the very evil a century earlier it condemned, namely globalist desire to dictate all facets of human existence.
In the late 70’s it was Pope Paul vi who welcomed the Russian patriarch to the Vatican as the first act of his papacy, his great goal being to begin the healing of the great rift of the 700’s. The patriarch was poisoned and died in the popes arms and PP IV was likewise poisoned two weeks later.
Since 1920’s we Catholics have prayed at the end of Mass for the reconversion of Russia in a prayer instituted by the Pope. It was removed in the liturgical revolution we have suffered since the 60s.
What is remarkable is that under Putin our prayer has been answered. Her faith is blossoming as ours comes under exactly the same mechanism for achieving political human demonic absolute power that consumed Russia.
So perhaps shelve this kind of article and rather pray for your Catholic brothers as we suffer humiliation after humiliation.
It’s not ‘may be’. It is, full stop.
They just hate the fact that Putin slapped the chips out of their hands before they got to cash them in.
Serbian elite never been pro-Russian
People predominantly are and Church but elite NO, always been pro western
Obrenovic dynasty was pro German, Karadjordjevic dynasty Pro French and pro British
Milosevic was just pro Milosevic, after him elites were not pro Russian at all. Vucic sitting on two chairs … he must be excused because he is under enormous pressure from the West but Russia cannot trust him
Conflict between Yugoslavia and USSR has nothing to do with Vatican. It was conflict between communists. Conflict between two strong personalities, Stalin and Tito.
Until 1948 Yugoslavia and Tito were the most extreme Soviet allies and very radical
Tito did not want Soviet hegemony and the first conflict was because of Greece. Stalin had to abandon Greek partisans and Tito did not agree with that… Tito saw that as betrayal of communist internationalism. The rest is history
Vatican influence is overblown … Vatican today is close to nothing
Orthodox world is very pro American today. And elites in those countries are very anti Russian
Great outlook Slobo, great job!
Nek’ si im rek’o jarane, I’ve heard “Vatican” references to old “threat” from middle ages and it’s about strength of Venice and Dubrovnik Republic times and their religions influence towards lands of Herceg Stjepan in 13th century. Another version is “Latin or Latini” used in Eastern Herzegovina since times.
Western problem with Russia does not have anything with Vatican.
Maybe in the distant past but not today.
The most russophobic countries are Protestant ones but it does not have anything with Protestant Christianity.
It is Western and American and British imperialism. And Russia is great obstacle to their global hegemony.
And that is main reason for their hatred toward Russia and lately toward China
Not any religion.
I agree 100%.
In fact, despite this article being called “Vatican hatred”, it’s mainly pointed at “Protestants” and not a single representative of the actual Vatican is cited.
“Russophobia” from Catholics, nowadays, is negligible in comparison to what comes from US/UK/Nato/Zion.
A lot of Orthodox people are just projecting their past idiosyncrasies into the present.
Both British and American imperialism have everything to do with Protestantism.
I think we are missing the context that the term “Vatican Hatred” means in this article. I don’t think he is talking about the Vatican hating Russia (though they probably do hate Russia) today. But comes from the old meaning of a strong implacable hatred for something. As in “a hatred that is eternal” or “his hatred was as strong as Vatican hatred”.
Léo Ferré sings “Monsieur tout blanc” = pope Pius XII, telling denunciation of the silent complicity of Catholic papacy in the repression and genocide perpetrated by the Nazis during the Second World War.
https://youtu.be/9DLHPFVi2j4
“It is contrary not only to our essential interests, but also to our civilizational identity that makes us special as a people and as a culture.”
You describe a deep Slav/Slavic world that many of us are unfamiliar with. I don’t think there is hatred of either Slavs or Russians. Other Slavs have no hate for Russians. The Serbian president described how pro-Russia his country is. You are almost describing something like so-called antisemitism (anti-judaism in reality, the false term part of the problem). Nobody hates the Russian people in the U.S. Maybe a few fools only.
I picked this quote because I notice the following: The Russians are not honored for their “civilizational identity” as proud Russians probably wish were the case (I admire Russia). They see the world of the “papacy” which they associate with “Western civilization” as maybe the spoiler responsible for this “hate” which doesn’t exist. Beware of internal or imagined or assumed problems conceived to placate some national or even ethnic frustration.
From the deepest desires often come the deadliest hate.
Socrates
An excellent explanation of West Balkan’s conundrum. Great words and thoughts Slobo.
Prof. Antonic, hvala for the citation.
Perhaps of interest, some more texture on western Russophobia and Serbophobia (maybe Hellenophobia too) as an expression of anti-Orthodox cultural prejudice: “Pravoslavophobia.”
Already visible 25 years ago: https://www.unz.com/print/Chronicles-1997feb-00043/
Vatican is a solid participant in the Klaus Schwab’s WEF global rule. Their ultimate European wet dream – from the times of the Romans till today – has been to conquer and grab all the resources in Russia/Central Asia, and since the former happens to follow Orthodox Christianity, Vatican’s stances with respect to those who follow Orthodox Christianity fits in place.
Ódio do Vaticano e russofobia?
Todas as ações praticadas pelo Ocidente contra a Rússia e Sérvia, foram perpetradas pelos anglicanos.
Os países católicos Portugal, Espanha, Itália são simpáticos a Russos e Sérvios
Yes, but Vatican is a very active participant in the WEF agendas and the dollar status. People in the Mediterranean are friendly and usually get along with others easily, unlike the Anglozionist smart cookies that always seek world domination. They got this bad habit perhaps from the time they went to India or when they set foot in the Americas. There’s a long history to that.
The Roman-Catholic Church in Vatican collects from their churches money – usually about 20 % from the money they collect from people.
So no wonder, that the Roman-Catholic Church wants more money.
Also, as I am a born Roman-Catholic I know that children get “ingrained in their psyche” hates to other religions right from childhood. Nowadays maybe not so direct as in my childhood however, still present. The Roman-Catholic Church is one point in our culture that has no stop to subdue other cultures. I still personally regard it as a very dangerous religion, as it rejects other cultures and dismisses the diversity of life when it comes to people/countries.
Hopefully more and more Catholics dismiss this religion as a church as it is too much bound on money.
“Russia and the West – a Thousand Years of War: Russophobia from Charlemagne to the Ukrainian Crisis” (translated in 2017) by Guy Methane
should by
Guy Mettan.
Can the original text please be corrected?
Guy Mettan was the editor of the Tribune de Genève, founder of the Geneva Press Club. His previous publication has launched a smear campaign against him for his pro-Russia stance. We need to support him by at least spelling his name correctly.
Let me give few comments on first part of article, which is more general and not focused on particular political situation in Serbia.
Deep, cruel and systematic “Vatican” hatred is a fact. It exists everywhere in Catholic and also Protestant West (I live in Slovenia) but in quite different degrees. We should not generalize. While its target can be all “eastern” countries, it is also a fact that Russia and its perceived “satellites” (Serbia, now also Belarus) have special place as targets of that hatred. That tells us (maybe fortunately) that is is not a religious and cultural “thing” anymore (that much) but motivation for flaming of hatred is mostly geopolitical. Banal example: it is unbelievable what kind of treatment Djoković gets sometimes in the West; as if he was a street bum, and not articulate, funny and intelligent tennis superstar.
What to do? How do I know? But in any case – Russians: keep doing your thing! Keep changing geopolitical structure of the world!
He is uncharismatic, that’s all. The sports media is respectful to him. The Russian boxer Bivol recently won a championship fight. There was only admiration expressed for him everywhere, i.e., on youtube comments by all kinds of people.
“Deep, cruel and systematic ‘Vatican’ hatred is a fact. It exists everywhere in Catholic and also Protestant West (I live in Slovenia) but in quite different degrees.”
I hope you read my first comment above. The late senator McCain fell a trap into when he described Russia as a “garage” with a lot of oil. All because ‘America’ is so great, you see. “Pushing others down to pull oneself up.” We know it happens. Other nations would brag about inventing the Internet. Not the United States! It is humble in that special way. It is braggadocious about being the “freest” nation in the world. It is conceited in that false way. Such patriots haven’t lived elsewhere, so they don’t know (there are other places where it’s like the American “libertarian dream”). Besides, you can’t be the freest if there are so many backstabbers you can’t say this word and you can’t say that word either, etc.
Bad news for some: The papacy has been a humble power in all respects always. It has always been #1 in its size. There has never been any other Christian Church remotely as influential and large. It may have been easy for it to never stoop to worry or obsess about or hate a smaller power like the Eastern Orthodox churches. Let’s not confuse irritation with hatred. Have we ever seen a proud, in a good sense, number 2 or 3 or 4 that fell into obsessing about and even hating a #1? Do you think that doesn’t happen in the religious world but only in other ones (rhetorical question)? Is it what has happened to some Orthodox ones who hate the papacy for “hating” them? If not that, I don’t know. The Catholics maybe get closer to “hating” the Protestants; the Eastern Orthodox ones they hardly ever think about. The Catholic church may see the Protestants as the main bad ‘competition,’ not the Russian Orthodox church or the Coptic Church or the Greek church. (This is even easy to visualize.) The Catholic church burned a lot of people to death, so it has hated. The Fatima virgin story is odd: “Let’s go save Russia so there can be peace and heaven comes” (sort of what it’s like). There’s no hate in it. To find hate in it, one would have to exempt all the people and get into the world of spirits that is capable of such things with hatred as the motive.
Correction: Third paragraph. “The late senator McCain fell into a trap…” (because I read it more than once and still came out like that).
Tranquilocomp, thank you for reply. I have to qualify my comment on “Vatican hate”. I notice such things especially in “borderland” countries between East and West. Ukraine, Poland, Croatia. It was historically a thing ìn Austro Hungary due to territorial conflict with Serbia. That is probably much less present in Romanic countries.
That makes sense. Thanks. Sure, it must be mixed up with politics as you indicate.
The Vatican is filled with stolen art and treasure from the Eastern Orthodox peoples that was stolen during the Crusades. The Catholics were destroying and looting Eastern Orthodox cities, not Islamic cities. At the time those cities had been built by the Eastern Christians and their predecessors. The Catholics didn’t steal from the Protestants like it did from the Orthodox.
What Novak Djokovic received from the west is partly his fault. He not only loves the country of Serbia but the entire former Yugoslavia people. He has the opportunity as a high profile tennis player to make a difference , namely to not to participate in Wimbledon for the banning of Russian and Belarus athletes.
Need Djokovic be reminded that one of the best Yugoslav national football teams were banned from the world Cup and European Cups between 1992-94. Russian and Belarus players have been banned by Wimbledon and against ATP rules.
However, Djokovic does not want to give up the huge purse available at Wimbledon. If that is the case, he should not be singing Serbian and Kosovo national songs because he already made his choice on earth, he chose material over spiritual, you can’t have both.
So Russian athletes didn’t give up any of the sports tournaments and games while Yugoslavia/Serbia was under sanctions? And unlike Russia, Serbia didn’t go along with the sanctions and the kangaroo/political court at the Hague (ICTY). Russia voted positively for those while it abstained from the NATO bombing of Bosnian Serbs in 1994 and 1995.
Well, you know the answer to that question, namely the American puppet Yeltsin was in power. You do realize he bombed his own parliament the Duma, so he gave no second thought about Serbia. He abandoned the Serbs in Kosovo who only needed political support , but instead got a stark warning from Viktor Chernomyrdin that they would be wiped off the map by NATO. Primakov did support Milosevic but he was from the old guard as far as Yeltsin was concerned.
The main reason for actual Russophobia in the West and it’s Balkan vasal states:
The modern secular West hates Russia, because it has returned to normal Christianity. The West hates Hungary and Poland for the same reason. Poland is probably the most stupid nation in Europe. Do they fight Russia out of their diabolic Russophobia or is it to direct EU eyes away from Poland towards Russia? Poland is a disgrace and a threat for normal Christianity in Europe.
The best outcome of the crisis in Ukraine for Serbia is a serious weakening of NATO, USA and EU.
A Germany weaking itself to the point of beeing unable to finance the EU, this means less EU support for all the enemies of Serbia. Serbia is on the right side of history in the actual battle between East and West.
Let us remember that at the origin of Western contempt for non-white European peoples is Pope Rodrigo Borgia alias Alexander the Sixth with his famous “kill, enslave and rob non-whites” that unleashed the genocide of the conquests and the current racism that governs the
One should keep in mind what happened during the World Championship Football in 2018. Lots and lots of western football fans visited Russia for the first time. All of them were amazed by the fact how they were received: friendly, joyfully, without a single trace of hatred.
In 2018 the MSM media were already for four years in a row occupied with infesting an anti-Russia hatred-adversity into their dwindling readership. But this abysmal media campaign proved to be ineffective & fake as soon as people from European countries met Russians from face to face.
‘Russophobia’ is an ideological media invention, a pseudo-religion that intends to fill the void of lost faith. After the First World War many Germans lost faith in the Lutheran & Catholic churches because of the questionable role played by these churches before & during the Great War. The spiritual void that came into being after 1918 was filled by a range of newborn ideologies, that waged war on other (Communist cells against Freikorps gangs) in Germany’s streets. The Nazi ideology prevailed because A.H. keenly withheld himself from criticising the churches, in sharp contrast with the fierce anti-church hate-mongering spread by the communists. Instead, A.H. professed a never-seen-before virulent hatred against the Jews, the gypsies and the Slavonic nations (Hitler personally hated the Czech more than the Jews). By means of this ideological funneling of hatred against ‘non-Germans’, Hitler was able to prevail over the Communist Spartakists in the early Twenties and to build up the NSDAP party in Germany. The NSDAP party and the Catholic church (with its centralist leadership residing in the Vatican) always maintained between each other an ambivalent truce, a kind of non-agression pact. In this manner both ideologies were able to exist next to each other.
At present the ideological firepower of the Catholic church is on the brink of total extinguishment. Therefore it is weird to recall the past, when there historically still may have existed ‘Vatican hatred’. This flogging of a dead horse smacks of ideological delusion. Instead the resurrection of Goebbels hate-ideology that tries to funnel hatred against a non-western mythical subject. It exposes how the US & EU leadership is desperately trying to rally their supporters behind them in opposition to the non-western myth of ‘Russia’ (or ‘Putin’) .
But just like the football supporters of 2018, who were completely surprised by the fact how different real Russia & real president Putin are from the concocted media myths, one ought to keep clear from mixing up reality and myth. The Nazi ideology prospered thanks to consciously mixing up reality and myth. That’s why the world is in need of denazification.
Those vermin who write these hateful anti-Russian screeds are the ones who want to take Serbia down into a state of degenerate western culture with its wokenesss, lgbt promotion, and surrender of sovereignty. These people are sick in the head. The last 30 years has done nothing to make them reflect on anything? They are cheap shills for a monstrous system which has caused more wars and misery than anything else in, or round Europe. Serbia’s integration with the degenerate western world of today would be a mistake that would ruin the country. and who is actually sponsoring these fetid writers? By their incessant projectins and flipping the facts upside down, I’d say some shitty NATO or EU outfit.
I did post a mildly critical comment, mostly not so, but it was rejected because the owner and editors of this site have a deep seated hatred of Catholics. Ive read it from sakers pen too many times.
See ya.
The West has hated the Orthodox for over 1000 years . That was one reason they sacked Constantinople in 1204, even when the Pope wanted the Crusaders to fight the invading Muslims. They were jealous of its power, enlightenment and riches. Why would anything change now?
Britain was an empire for at most 150 years, US seems to be on track for less than a 100. Germany never so , and France less than maybe twenty. Yet the Byzantine Greeks ruled for over 1000 years and the Russians over 500 . The Western Europeans hate this with a passion , but the Catholics are fooled and used as tools by the Protestants. Ie UK and the US.
One has only to read Huntington’s “Clash of a civilisations” -which has become admitted doctrine in the US to see the plan. In short; war with Islam to radicalise all Christians, especially those who are in the Middle East and who are mainly Orthodox and Coptic.Then destroy Orthodox nations via the Vatican in league with Protestant powers . Then marginalise all the world and have only the Protestant Two and a Half (my coinage) rule all the world. Ie US/UK/Germany. This in effect has already occurred with the EU under German rule and as deputy for the US.
Do not be surprised if the Catholic and Protestant West do and more and worse to the Orthodox , or the world in general. It is not only blind hatred and stupidity. All it takes is one person who is smart , who will also cause us all to go to Hell in a hand – basket. Why ? It is called Game Theory. It doesn’t matter if I cause the bear or lion to escape from the cage and chase us both in the forest, as long as think I can outrun you either due to my athletic ability or me deliberately slashing your Achilles Heel before sprinting off.
Someone, somewhere may be clever or misanthropic enough to push others-usually more stupid- to act rashly to cause pain to the whole world , even themselves , but almost certainly because they think they will be the last ones standing, and will have all the spoils to themselves. You don’t need to be a genius to work out who is pushing the EU and the rest of the world into war ; because their elite think, and want , to be those last ones . Let me just say that nation has caused even its most sick to hate “socialised “ medicine and daily has news stories of it eating its own children .
Russia must continue ; to survive itself , but more importantly for me and others, to take the West back to at least the days of Welfare Capitalism and the Mixed Economy . Those were what made the West a shining example to all in those good days before the American Disease of Globalisation, Privatisation, Americanisation, Outsourcing ,Just in Time and Consumerism were all foisted upon us by those who didn’t know better after all. Russia must win …
The Orthodox are not going themselves any favours. Patriarchate Bartholomew of Istanbul has condemned Russian actions against Ukraine and has even attacked Russian Patriarchate Kirill indirectly. Most of the other Patriarchate have followed suit except for Serbian Patriarchate Porfirije who has only called for peace.
It’s because western agents have gotten to them, if they were not planted puppets of the west in the first place.
Like all elite universities, Belgrade University teaches treason. Just impressionable children taught by bored, unimportant professors swimming in a lifetime of stupidity. Ideas to speak about in cafes to show how smart you are until you grow up – one hopes. Russophobia is taught there.
Professor Slobodan Antonic his anti-Catholic introduction is free to say very soft, you shoot at close range. I thought the sniper was Antonio Gramsci, not Thornton Wilder.
Reading this is sad. As a Catholic I know that my Catholic family and friends fully support Russia in the Ukraine/NATO conflict. We also condemned the bombing of Serbia and a few of us joined the protests against the bombing. A few members of my family— Irish-American— even bought Russian flags for their homes.
The trad Catholics on Gab are almost unanimously behind Russia.
High-raking Catholic prelates like Vatican diplomat for 50 years, Msgr. Carlo Maria Viganò, wrote one of the strongest defenses of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (https://www.marcotosatti.com/2022/03/07/declaration-of-msgr-carlo-maria-vigano-on-the-russia-ukraine-crisis/). Bishop Richard Williamson has also strongly supported Russia.
And a few weeks ago even Pope Francis relented and acknowledged NATO was behind instigating the conflict in Ukraine.
“The road to hell is paved with the skulls of erring priests, with bishops as their signposts.”— St. John Chrysostom
Agree with you wholeheartedly.
@LordBaldric: “….and in my experience Russians hate Poles as much as the reverse.” With due respect for you experience, I would rather say Russians DESPISE Poles – and rightly so
n tsarist Russia, among upper classes, Poles and even remote Polish ancestry were highly regarded. Among разночинцы not so much. As for 1914, some ten per cent Russian Imperial Army officers’ corps consisted of Poles and they won more than their fair share of the георгиевская лента in the subsequent war (as well as in all earlier Russian wars).
One of the main themes of Soviet propaganda after the lost Polish-Soviet War was deep hatred against Poles (Polish spies, Polish saboteurs, etc., etc.). Unfortunately, this hatred remanins firmly embedded in minds of post-Soviet Russians.
As an American who grew up in multi-ethnic New Jersey, immersed in both Protestant and Catholic cultures, friends with many priests and ministers, and as one who has lived overseas for many years in a variety of cultures, mainly Muslim and Buddhist, I must say that my first-time exposure to Eastern Orthodox manias at the Saker has been eye-opening–apart from sectarian cults, uniquely feverish and parochial. I can only offer this as antidote: https://t.me/intelslava/29975
Endlich wird es ausgesprochen: Der Vatikan – mit seinen Jesuiten und Maltesern – ist das Übel dieser Welt.
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Google-translate from mod:
It is finally pronounced: the Vatican – with its Jesuits and Maltese – is the evil of this world.
America’s tendency to hate Russians, Serbians, (and others) long after any possible justification has disappeared is not due to any inborn hatred but rather to an inability to change opinions.
American society promotes learning by rote and represses rational thinking in every way possible.
They don’t want intelligent people, they want obedient sheeple.
But sheeple can’t change opinions.
It would only cause confusion to allow former enemies to ever become friends.
Once identified as “bad guys” they must always remain “bad guys”.
Otherwise the sky will fall.
I really enjoyed watching and hearing British Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson and I want to share it with all of you. In the video you will see and hear him fiercely defending ( even praising!) Putin and Russia’s position.
This is in front of his Catholic congregation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3IJYYQHoNY
Sir: I have enjoyed your blog, but you have made a great error. It is not a “Vatican” hatred, but a “Vatinian” hatred, which is a reference to a Roman senator. (I just finished rereading the book, and although at this time I do not have it in front of me, I verified that the passage was “a Vatinian hatred,” not “a Vatican hatred.”