I recently learned this lesson the hard way, so let me begin with a few caveats: I don’t know where this footage was taken, I don’t know when it was taken, and I don’t know by whom it was taken. It is identified on YouTube as “Interview with Chechens in Donetsk”. Except for the only flag I see on the video seems to be a South Ossetian one. And since both the Chechen and Ossetian languages are very different from Russian, I don’t understand a word of what they say. All I did see is the words “Vostok Battalion” on one of the vans written in Russian. Now, after all these caveats, here is what I want you all to see:
Look carefully at the woman in red at the corner of the street who is watching as each APC passes her. Do can you see what she is doing?
She is blessing each APC with an Orthodox blessing even though she probably knows that these are mostly Muslims.
So here you have it my Islam-haters and defenders of “Christendom” against the “Islamic threat”: a Russian Orthodox woman is blessing Muslim men (Chechens are Muslims and while Ossetians can be Muslim or Orthodox, but the men on the video look Muslim to be, at least judging by their beards). Muslim men who have left their faraway country to cross Russia to defend Orthodox Russians outside Russia. When was the last time that the so-called “Christendom” came to the defense of Russia, the Russian people or the Orthodox anywhere??
I take no joy in that, believe me, but the historical record is clear: sadly, what is was call “Christendom” in the past (and by some today) or what is called the “West” or even the “Judeo-Christian civilization” (??) has always been against Russia and against Orthodoxy, even though even today they still deny this vehemently.
Sure, Russia did have wars against Muslim states, but with the exception of the Ottomans, these were not religious wars. It is also true that Russia did engage in imperialistic expansion towards the south, especially in the Caucasus and Central Asia (there were no Chechen or Tadjik invasions of Russia to repel – Russia invaded them).
And, of course, there was the abomination of the two Chechen wars recently for which, I sincerely believe, both nations share the blame, responsibility and even shame. And yet today, Chechens (including, I am sure, many former insurgents) are fighting in Novorussia. Why? Because on a deep level we – Russians and Muslims in or near Russia – belong to the same “civilizational realm”. Just like Central Asia or the huge Siberian expanses, the Caucasus is part of a multi-national and multi-ethnic civilization which history has forged, sometimes in peace, sometimes through wars, but which was a reality in the Russian Empire, during the Soviet Union and which today is slowly re-constituting a “Eurasian Union”. This Eurasian Union will always have a strong Islamic component to it and the Wahabis are wasting their time and money when they try to bring the local Muslims under their influence and make them agents for the AngloZionists (like they are trying today with the Crimean Tatars). They will always get some initial results, but they are bound to fail because you cannot roll-back or ignore history.
In a paradoxical way, the AngloZionist aggression against Russia (and China on the other side of the Eurasian landmass) seems to be creating a “reactive consolidation” of the Eurasian Union. If not for the (US sponsored) wars in Chechnia and in South Ossetia, would we ever have seen this woman blessing Muslim soldiers going to the front? I doubt it.
One more thing: poor Ukie death squads. I can just about imagine their horror when they will realize that instead of defenseless civilians, they are facing battle-hardened Chechen and Ossetian warriors. Man, I wish these guys would capture Liashko, just to see how he would behave in their company…
Kind regards to all,
The Saker
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VladTheFluffy says:
Saker
Thanks for the interesting video.
Whilst immensely grateful to the Chechens and South Ossetians for their generosity and bravery in being prepared to fight for Novorussia, isn’t it rather shameful that there is a need for them to come. I hope the younger Novorussian men who have fled across the border to play on their Playstations see this and feel ashamed enough to not just let these men fight and die for Novorussia, but to find their backbone and come back to do so as well.
Job 1 = kill Nazis. But there will come a time when all must live together again. This is a problem that Russians will solve over time. At this point I’m starting to feel sorry for the poor UA people. Sorry that so many of them will have to die but even more sorry that they have been driven to this horrible situation by the coincidence of historical legacy and the final crisis of fascist capitalism. Maybe now as an American, I’m beginning to understand the depths of how Russians and Ukrainians really feel right now.
In the midst of the scorching deserts of Karbala and the deadly thirst, Hussain and his valiant 72 followers stood like a GREAT WALL against the hypocrites. Amongst these heroes is the young Vahab ibn Abdullah ibn Hubab Kalbi (as), a CHRISTIAN who fought for Hussain (as)
Before fighting Vahab addresses the Syrian army
Vahab to the commander of Yazid’s army, Shimr (la): I swear by God, Jesus Christ is eager and waiting to see Hussain in the Heavens. I swear by the God of the Sun and the Moon, of the sea and the rain, I have come to give my sweet life for Hussain
Yazid’s Commander Shimr (la): Is there no Muslim that Hussain seeks help of a Christian?
After Vahab (as) is martyred
Yazid’s Commander Shimr(la): Crucify him like a Christian till we decide what to do with his corpse
Yazid (la) to his Commander Ibn Saad(la): It is good we have killed this Christian, now we can tell people Hussain’s followers are not Muslim
Ibn Saad (la) to Shimr (la): Stop playing around, cut off his head and give it to his mother
Ibn Saad’s (la) soldier flings the head of Vahab towards his Mother: This head is a gift from Omar Ibn Saad for the mother of Vahab
Vahab’s mother then walks back with her son’s head and flings it at Shimr: In our way it is not right to take back what we have given as sacrifice for God
Till this day Muslim’s send their salams on him and will continue to do so till qayama “As Salam alal Ashabal Hussain (as)” “Our Salams to You oh Companions of Hussain.”
Mindfriedo
@amongst these heroes is the young Vahab ibn Abdullah ibn Hubab Kalbi (as), a CHRISTIAN who fought for Hussain (as)
Very interesting. Ok, I should have asked you a long time ago: which is the best biography of Hussain in English? Is there one which is written by a pious Shia scholar but written for the ignorant or the non-Muslim reader?
The other topics is the battle of Kerbala. I would like to really understand its circumstances and meaning.
Can you reccommend some books? Ideally, are there any available as an ebooks?
How about a “Shia Islam for non-Muslims” in ebook format?
Kind regards,
The Saker
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English have always sidedwith Muslim ottoman agianst catholic and orthodox chriastanity in Europe.
Englis use Muslims as patsy for doing terrorism on their behalf as Taliban And ISIS are doing_both British creation.
Time to sort out parasite England be eliminated from any ability to do more mischief.
If anyone is interested in an easy Western introduction to Islam by way of the personal life and original tone etc then try Martin Lings.
http://www.amazon.com/Muhammad-Life-Based-Earliest-Sources/dp/1594771537
http://www.islamicbulletin.comwww.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/prophet/muhammad_martin_Lings.pdf
There are no Sunnis or Shias in Islam. Unfortunately we have been fighting among ourselves for so long that we have forgotten our ways.
Muslims are not the enemies of Russians or anyone, if Chechnyan fighters are fighting for the new Russia and to protect its people then it is honorable and Islamic.
British and other empires and nations are not the only ones who used Muslims, we Muslims are easily manipulated as we are hot blooded when it comes to our religion, that is no secret and it has always been that way, we are easily provoked over our faith, rightly or wrongly.
I pray for peace in all regions of the world, from Russia to middle east. I recently came back from Ukraine, saw Odessa and Kiev and it was sad to see Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Kiev, they looked afraid.
I hope Russian people and their leaders realize now that Islam is not their enemy, never was and never will be as it is against Islamic principles to be aggressive or force anyone to submit to Islam, there is no compulsion in my religion. Muslims who follow the true path know this and that includes Shia and Sunni. We have to bring people together and celebrate our differences, not turn on each other.
Khan
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Hi
These are three links:
Makhtal Al Husayn, Maqtal or Makhtal means a place where killing/executions take place.
It will tell you about Karbala:
http://www.al-islam.org/maqtal-al-husayn-abd-al-razzaq-al-muqarram
This is a link to the Nahjul Balagha, second only to the Quran to Shia Muslims. I asked a Syrian Friend, a Sunni Muslim, to explain the words to me, Nahjul Balagha (Peak of Eloquence). He explained in this way. He said suppose you have to write a sentence without the vowel “E” or “A” in English. Cause he could not find any vowel in English which is as important as “Alif” in Arabic. He said “I am a native Arabic speaker and if you ask me to write a sentence without Alif, I will find it near impossible. But there is an entire Khutba/Sermon of Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) without Alif.” He said that defines what it means “Nahjul Balagha.” Eloquence or Command of Language to that degree. Non Arabic readers of the Quran rely on indentations to read the Quran. Those were added by Ali.
http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons
This last is a small, incomplete biography of Ali (as). Since Shia of Ali means partisan of Ali, it makes sense to know him, where interesting stories are concerned, He was the only man to be born inside the Kaba:
http://www.al-islam.org/articles/life-commander-faithful-ali-ibn-abu-talib
I will email you links to ebooks later.
You will find some differences in certain traditions/hadeses/life stories of Muhammad where Sunnis and Shias are concerned. And there in lies the rub.
mindfriedo
Well, here I am crying again, but it’s a different kind of crying this time. I don’t think I have ever felt the weight of history in quite this way before: it’s one thing to recognize and feel deeply the sins of my own country, but to experience the intense inferiority and utter wrongness of one thousand years of Western civilization — Christian, “Judeo-Christian”, all the stuff we were brought up to consider superior… Just watching that woman and reflecting on all we have done and are doing at this very moment, how comfortable we are with ignorance and blind hatred — there aren’t any words, there just aren’t.
I find it very strange that Putin’s visit to Latin America is not getting any media coverage. He is doing a seriously phenomenal job there.
P.S This video and the right up about it made me feel really good. THANK YOU !
They sound like Ossetian not Chechen. Giving their flag is also Ossetian, they are not Muslims. They are Christians. However, for all intents and purposes, it’s still great to see Donbass gets help it needs.
@Nora: reflecting on all we have done
Careful here! I do not believe in collective responsibility nor do I believe in inherited sin. *YOU*, Nora, did nothing of the kind. The “we” that you refer to really does not exist. There is fine line here: IF you endorse an imperial religion or IF you defend “Western Christiandom” or IF you believe that the USA has a “mission” – then you become part of the collective ‘we’ which is responsible. But if you do NOT do that, and you clearly are not, then I don’t see any reason at all for you to be ashamed of anything. Let me take an example.
One day, as a young teenager I was exploring the option of becoming member of a Russian political party called the NTS. I spoke with one of the leaders and I asked him what difference joining would make. He told me this:”if you join the NTS, you accept responsibility for this party’s past, present and future”. It was easy for me – I refused (and never joined any party in my life). IF I had joined, I would have taken the moral responsibility for what this party did in the past, and I did not like that one bit. So since I did not, I don’t feel that guilt.
I have family members who made choices which I do not approve of. I therefore feel no guilt for them. And I have family members who have made choices which I do approve of. If I get challenged about that and told that these choices resulted in consequences XYZ, then I guess that would make me co-responsable.
So please, dear Nora, don’t cry and don’t feel shame. We are all humans first and foremost, and we struggle not against a country or a race, but against evil, often in the form of ideologies. Surely you would not blame an Israeli for what is being done in Gaza just because he/she is Israeli? I sill have very good Ukrainian friends (from western Ukraine, mind you, who speak a typical western Ukrainian at home) whom I love. Do they have to answer for Poroshenko? Do I have to answer for the piece of shit Eltsin? Do the British have to answer for the British Empire or for the “City” even though they had nothing to do with it?
Let me put your mind at ease about the West and tell you one huge truth:
99.99% of the help I got with this blog comes from WESTERN people. Yup. And I never got ANY help from Russia. Ever. I got more help from Africa then from Russia. And even though I am an Orthodox Christian, I got some of the most generous assistance from Muslims. Some of whom are born WASPs.
We are what we chose to be, and your choices are, as far as I know, honorable and beautiful. Please don’t feel any form of collective guilt. That would be so unfair to you.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Anonymus said…
I find it very strange that Putin’s visit to Latin America is not getting any media coverage. He is doing a seriously phenomenal job there.
In fact there is media coverage, at least in one of the most read spanish newspaper(one of the western propaganda), El Pais, you can find there a lot of biased coverage of Putin’s visit to Cuba, Nicaragua and Argentina.
Saker:
When was the last time that the so-called “Christendom” came to the defense of Russia, the Russian people or the Orthodox anywhere??
You may disagree with this, but I would suggest the last time that Christendom came to the defense of the Orthodox people was in the First Crusade, which as we all know was quickly corrupted from its alleged official aim of assisting the Romanian Empire regain the losses of Mazinkert and restoring the Holy Land to Christendom, roughly around the time that the Crusaders conquered Edessa and made it their personal fief instead of restoring it to Constantinople. I say this because I am not sure that the help given the Greek (Roman) uprising in the 1800’s counts considering the resulting Anglo-Masonic influence on it and the break-up of the Constantinople Patriarchate and the unity of the Rumelian Orthodox people, eventually resulting in multiple fratricidal wars and the expulsion of half the Greek nation from its ancestral land.
Christendom/the West has never (as near as I can recall from my Russian history class) come to the defense of Russia or the Russian people. Rather, there has been uniform indifference (Mongol invasion) or outright hostility (Teutonic Knights expanding beyond the Baltics towards Novogorod, Lithuanian, Polish and Swedish wars against Russia, Napoleonic Invasion, Crimean War, abrogation of the Peace of Berlin, World War I, sending the Communist revolutionaries in 1917, World War II, Cold War, Yeltsin the Puppet).
@Andrew:I would suggest the last time that Christendom came to the defense of the Orthodox people was in the First Crusade
This may well be true, it is hard to judge a full millennium later. I have to tell you that your honest answer elicits a great deal of admiration for your intellectual honesty from me.
@Nora: here is a telling example: simply by accepting the historical truth and by saying so, Andrew completely frees himself from any kind of “collective responsibility” (he is a western Latin Christian) from the facts which he describes. This is one of the many ways the “truth shall make us free” – in this case, free from any accusation of collective guilt.
Dear Andrew, I wish your fellow Latin Christians had your wisdom as that would go a long way towards achieving a sincere and real peace (not unity, God forbid!) between our religions. Unlike you, those Latin Christians (like “Armenian Catholic”) who deny the facts of history become, in the eyes of the Orthodox, moral accomplices of these actions and, therefore, our objective enemies. But that need not be so, and I thank you for the truth you spoke. You give me hope.
Thank you!
The Saker
“VINEYARDSAKER: said…,
How about a “Shia Islam for non-Muslims” in ebook format?”
Dearest Saker,
I haven’t seen a good book on Shia Islam. And, I want to write one. I will start this project, hopefully in a year’s time.
I will need your help, with Mindfriedo and Nora when the time comes.
When you move to your new server, I would like to make a request to you. Let me write a kind of SITREP on how the Christians have helped my family, and why I believe in America’s Exceptionalism, like sister AGS does.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Uchaschisya Uchaschisyevich,
Latin America is only there for the Media when the poor and oppressed come pouring over the Southern Border. Then, Americans are supposed to embrace the blowback from our oppressive policies that keep the poor down and the oligarchs in the countries in power.
Putin is doing business with some Latin American nations. He is bringing economic hope and partnership. China, too, is making inroads in Latin America.
The Elite in America use the disposed they create to break the American middle class and create enmity with the emigrants. Then they vilify anyone who wants the border closed and the rule of law for immigration to be enforced.
It is a huge market for Russian products and services. And many of the nations are ripe for a change in their relationship with the Hegemon. Putin is filling a vacuum.
Notice is taken at the highest level. And the usual ‘Red Menace’ will be the knee jerk warning when they want to alert the voters. (More money for the MIC). The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming—it always works as a bogeyman.
Saker and Nora:
Careful here! I do not believe in collective responsibility nor do I believe in inherited sin. *YOU*, Nora, did nothing of the kind. The “we” that you refer to really does not exist. There is fine line here: IF you endorse an imperial religion or IF you defend “Western Christiandom” or IF you believe that the USA has a “mission” – then you become part of the collective ‘we’ which is responsible.
The “we” only exists to the extent that you decide to ally yourself to the Gnostic-Masonic conspirators who rule the West and have subtly undermined almost every nation and organized religion through recruitment of locals to their anti-Christian cause going back to the time of their earliest international formation in the guise of the Knights Templar.
This cult has gone under many names – Paulicians, Bogomils, Albigensians, Cathars, Templars, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, Illuminati, Communists, Nazis, but at the core, its the same Antichrist ideology and mystery religion, and in their wake always follows rebellions, wars, usury, impoverishment, slavery, prisons, and death.
Dearest Saker,
I see that Mindfriedo has posted the link for Nahjul Balagha. It is the concept of God that differentiate the Shia from the Sunni.
Imam Ali (as) small sermon 1 about the “Oneness of God” and his long sermon 185 about “Oneness of God”.
Before, there were any Sunnis, they were different groups. The Muʿtazilah who preserved the Greek/Roman Philosophers works debated Imam Ali (as) sermon to death. The debated Creation vs. Non-Creation. Imam Ali (as) went one step higher that it is Existence vs Non-Existence.
Any how the Muʿtazilah came to the conclusion that God doesn’t exist. They were heavily persecuted by the Ash’arites. The few remaining Muʿtazilah then become Shia. However, after that the Sunni closed the doors to Religion Debate.
Here is part of Imam Ali (as) First Sermon from Nahjul Balagha:
“Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking earth with rocks.
The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute.
Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and whoever recognises His like regards Him two; and whoever regards Him as two recognises parts for Him; and whoever recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and whoever mistook Him pointed at Him; and whoever pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and whoever admitted limitations for Him numbered Him. Whoever said: ‘In what is He?’, held that He is contained; and whoever said: ‘On what is He?’, held He is not on something else.
He is a Being, but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence.”
You can see Imam Ali (as) is saying to deny Attributes to God. This is what the Muʿtazilah didn’t understand that how come Imam Ali (as) is denying the Attributes to God, which are mentioned 99 of them in the Holy Quran.
I will post the link to Sermon 184 later.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
I earlier put up the link to the first interview on Gleb’s blog.
This is another interview of this brave woman who testifies to the crucification and torture death of a three year old boy and the dragging to death behind a tank of the boy’s mother.
Translation by Gleb.
Eye Witness to Executions
Watch the video, read the translation, and send this out to the world. Tell the world what is going on in the name of “Democracy” in Ukraine.
This is an account that inspires, despite the horrific actions it describes:
http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/slavyansk-refugee-remembers-brutal-execution/
Just one more confirmation that Ukraine no longer exists.
“mindfriedo said…,
I will email you links to ebooks later.”
Salam Mindfriedo,
Can you please post the links in this thread too, so that I and others can benefit from it.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
What a wonderful indicator this video is of the realisation that I’ve tried for ten years to hammer into the thick heads of my Mozzy-hating co-religionists—high octane Mel Gibson, Latin, pre-60’s Catholics, “Immutable truth, no heretics and no perverts!”
Islam is finished. It is history.
Post-Muslim societies are MODERN, with burgeoning middle classes able to maintain modern weapons systems. This is why the Empire targeted them, because they accumulated the ability to defend their national sovereignty.
In the 60’s, we had never heard of Islamic militancy, strictly a US/UK creation against intolerably Christian Russia. “Sharia law” merely veils or “justifies” the total violence of organised crime routinely deployed by AngloZion.
If they are Chechens, I am skeptical that they are there for purely altruistic reasons. Strelkov has announced that the militia will be paid around $800/month, and Chechens love to fight. So it might just be a marriage of convenience. Either way, they are much better off having them fight on the DPR side.
Civilians Pay a Price for Gains of Ukraine Forces
NY Times Russian speaking correspondent.
This touched me. Such courage. Such love. If the front line comes to me, I will greet it with ferocious compassion.
@EVERYBODY as was predictable, disillusioned, cynical and otherwise skeptical minds are now pointing out that these Chechens are being paid. Folks, if that was the real motivator, where do you think these Chechens would make most money – with Novorussians, or with Americans? Also, if their combat skills, they could sit on safe and comfy jobs inside (now peaceful) Chechnia and not risk being killed in the Donbass. Because paid or not paid, they know they will be fighting an enemy with 1:10 to 1:100 force ratios, with the bad guys having full control of the airspace, plenty of armor and a massive superiority in artillery. And believe me, the Chechens know *exactly* what that means because they ALL know what Shamanov did to the Chechen insurgency (of course, Shamanov has real warriors on his side, not the ugly Nazi clowns of the Right Sector). Then this also begs the question of how many Chechens there are fighting on the Ukie side? As far as I know, not a single one reported so far. Even though the Ukie crazies of the UPA-UNSO fought on the side of the Wahabis during the Chechen wars.
I find it sad that in our days nobody can even imagine another motive beyond profit. But that is not a reflection of the Chechen people, only one of those who automatically ascribe a venal motive to them.
The Saker
“Mrs. Kirchner has accused Western leaders of hypocrisy over Crimea: She said they refused to acknowledge the result of a referendum in Crimea, in which people voted to join Russia, but they did not complain about a similar vote held last year in which residents of a British-controlled archipelago that is claimed by Argentina chose to remain British.”
NY Times
Don’t believe I’ve seen this music video posted here before.
Вставай, Новороссия! (Arise, Novorossia!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv8mCXpqbUw
Автор: Мария Четырина
Категория: Медиа
Опубликовано: 09 Май 2014
Исполнение: группа 2МО
Музыка: Четырин Сергей
Текст: Четырина Мария, Четырин Сергей
Вокал: Кучерук Олег
Вставайте, народы! Горят небосводы!
Вставай НоворОссия! Вставай в полный рост!
На Юго-Востоке оковы мы сбросим!
В нас в каждом – Россия! В нас в каждом – блок-пост!
Проснись, НоворОссия! Вставай, моя Родина!
Во имя былых побед врагам дать ответ!
За дедов с медалями, для внуков восстали мы,
Чтоб не было стыдно нам в глаза им смотреть.
Беснуются демоны под нашими стенами,
Их падшие идолы в грязи и в крови.
И мнят себя правыми, но подлость – их правило!
Так выбросим вместе их с родимой земли!
Славянских сынов своих навеки запомнили!
Они жизни отдали для Русской весны.
Не просто погибли вы, а Долг свой исполнили
И стали героями Священной войны!
(Yandex trans)
Author: Maria Caterina
Category: Media
Published: May 09 2014
Design: the group MO
Music: Chetyrin Sergey
Text: Caterina Maria, Chetyrin Sergey
Vocals: Kucheruk Oleg
Get up, people! Burn the firmaments!
Get Up New Russia! Get in the full height!
In the South-East chains will drop out of us!
In the us each – Russia! In the us each block post!
Wake Up, The New Russia! Get up, my Motherland!
In the name of past victories enemies to answer!
For grandfathers with medals for grandchildren rebelled we,
So as not to be ashamed of us in the eye they look.
Mad demons outside our walls,
Their fallen idols in dirt and blood.
And they imagine themselves to be right, but the meanness of their rule!
So throw away together with their native land!
Slavic sons forever remembered!
They lives for Russian spring.
Not just killed you, and your Duty fulfilled
And became heroes of the Holy war!
вот так
Shi’a by Allama Tabatabai – good introduction –
http://www.najaf.org/english/book/28/
Hmm parallels with Israel are increasing.
US supported Settler colony in the process of dispossession
dehumanization of enemy (likening of enemy to insects, rats)
a predilection for using heavy weaponry and phosphorus(particularly impressive) indiscriminately against civilian populations
Discussions of a wall to protect security against a hated enemy
But now do we see something more interesting the linkage of Israel to the Ukraine by (some)Moslems?
I suspect that the balance of forces up to the evacuation of Slavyansk corresponds somewhat to the balance of forces before Israel invaded Lebanon but after Slaviansk the balance of forces resembles The failed Israeli advance to the Latifah in 2006, where allegedly Iranian sourced anti tank missiles played a dominant role in destroying Israeli armoured spearheads, (ie in the past it was a case of trundling a few Merkhavas up to Beirut and parking it in the main square) but 2006 was a step change because the tanks which formed these spearheads became themselves vulnerable meaning that the assaults would need to be more infantry led. I might be making too much of this but to me when that Grad went into action on Friday it struck me as being a qualitative event. And given the reprisal of the Nazi play book by Poroshenko, the purely cosmetic president, who can’t even rhetorise that Nazi dirt can be transformed for media consumption into something apparently sweeter, I suddenly feel a bit more optimistic
Could it have something to do with this:
http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-return-of-george-orwell-and-big-brothers-war-on-palestine-ukraine-and-truth ? Maybe the Chechens are planted as spies and a Trojan Horse in the pro-Riussian forces in Ukraine?
on Karbala / Imam Husayn (AS) see:
http://www.al-islam.org/imam-husayns-revolution-analytical-review-yusuf-fadhl
on Imam Ali (AS) – the first Imam after the Prophet (pbuh) see: the voice of human justice (by a Christian Lebanese – George Jordac
http://www.maaref-foundation.com/english/library/pro_ahl/imam01_ali/human_voice/
Saker:
I find it sad that in our days nobody can even imagine another motive beyond profit.
Nobody is a strong word. I know many people like myself who either rejected the allure of riches or took but a small taste and spit it out before focusing their life on something more worthwhile.
For me, it was when in college I by chance ran into the recruiters from JP Morgan, where I had a friend who was a Vice President. He was a good man, but he had warned me how corrupting Wall Street is, and how he struggled to maintain Christian ethics in his business dealings. I talked to the recruiters, and listened to them essentially beg me to apply so they could hire me, but I turned them down telling them that my interests lay in actualy being an engineer and building things to make society a better place. I am still an engineer, while my friend was corrupted and is now in litigation with the SEC over fraud charges and misappropriation of client money. Very sad, but he chose to swim with the sharks and then to become one.
Another friend worked at Goldman Sachs for a few years before seeing the light. She resigned and decided to become an elementary school teacher.
Yet another friend worked at Merrill Lynch for some years, enjoying the high life of seemingly endless money and $30,000 monthly credit card bills that were paid in full every month thanks to her 7 figure salary. Then one day she surprisingly became pregnant (she thought she was infertile), and quickly realized there were more important things in life than her career, which she left behind with incredible relief once free of the pursuit of the dollar.
Those who come to Novorossiya are not doing it for the money, but for the words of the Gospel in St. John 15.13. What could possibly compare ones life with a few thousand dollars that might pass to your family upon your death?
Larchmonter445 said…
The terrible interview about the child crucified and the mother dragged to death:-
Aggravated murder is what the Partizans did routinely seventy years ago—those Partisans whom Goy hating websites today proudly own as Jewish. But that was okay then “because of what they did to us.”
So, first thing the Ossetians can thrill to do is kill out the Nazis, right? But would that not be a tad anti-semitic?
There is a significant Muslim minority in South Ossetia and while I don’t think the whole column consisted of Muslims the men in the car at the beginning were. I definitely heard one of them say ‘Salaam’.
Saker,
You are most kind and I both appreciate your caring and do understand the points you are making. It’s taken me a while to pin down where and how I differ from you but I think it stems from both my experience as an American and knowledge of this country’s history. My mixed ancestry includes people who lost their entire world unfairly and through no fault of their own, and also people who benefitted greatly from the “rising tide” of stolen land and labor on which this country’s great wealth was based even though they were personally involved in none of it. The wealth of this country — the reason we attracted so many immigrants — was based on slavery, not just that they picked the cotton but that they themselves were by far our greatest financial holding. Very few Americans owned slaves, but every single American, past and present, has benefitted from it. I can’t undo any of this, but I do feel a responsibility to do what I can now to right some of the wrongs still being done — not particularly because I’m an Indian but because I’m an American and I personally have derived great benefits that are in many cases still being denied to people whose ancestors’ stolen land or labor provided that wealth. To me, that’s the only fair way to deal with the past.
Now, as for the present: I learned about Nazi Germany in school before it was called the Holocaust and the lesson we were taught was that it is the responsibility of every citizen to at least try to stop the evils done by one’s country. So yes, I do blame any Israeli who is not actively opposed to what’s being done in Gaza. Yes, I do. And I vote and pay taxes so I’m paying for the American guns and American people who decide how and where they’re going to be used even though I really have no voice in any of it. But again, I do think it’s my moral responsibility to try my best somehow to stop it: if I don’t, then I’m giving at least tacit permission to the horrors we are now committing. That’s a big part of why this blog matters so much to me.
Your comments to Andrew and to me demonstrate the true depth of your Christianity and there is a huge lesson in that but I think there’s also something to be said for trying to make amends for the past by applying the Golden Rule and fighting ongoing injustice in the present as well as trying to prevent any more injustice in the future.
Does that make any sense?
Paypal is working fine, saker. People can donate through Paypal but yes, they have to have a PayPal account and must log in, or through credit cards directly.
Would suggest ppl who find it too much send cash in mail?
God bless all Muslims who are brave to fight for an honorable cause, wherever it may be.
-from Canada
@EVERYBODY as was predictable, disillusioned, cynical and otherwise skeptical minds are now pointing out that these Chechens are being paid. Folks, if that was the real motivator, where do you think these Chechens would make most money – with Novorussians, or with Americans?
Somebody has answered him in my name, thanks Saker.
People cannot understand on behalf of NATO that the Chechens-Muslims are the best Russian tribe.
Andrew — That’s a really interesting synopsis. Thank you. I learn so much on this blog.
Nora — Bless you. It’s difficult to not feel overwhelmed and disillusioned that what one believed noble and upright was not. “Do not be overcome by evil — but overcome evil with good.” You are a good woman. And you are not guilty for “collective” sins. “Innocence and Truth overcome guilt and error.” Rather than drowning in the guilt of past beliefs — I remember Christ’s command to “go, and sin no more”. Waking-up was my first step toward forgiveness and redemption. And I am OH SO GRATEFUL for waking-up from the dead.
Dearest Mohammed — You are a love. A good and generous soul. Perhaps it was only my view of the qualities I held dear which was exceptional. But if being exceptional means killing innocent humanity — then I’ll gladly drop all claims to “exceptionalism” — and be grateful to take my place with mankind. My tribe. Humanity.
Saker: Christ comes with the fan in hand to separate the tares from the wheat. The harvest is now.
In the nineteenth century most historians regarded Russia as part of Europe but it is now becoming increasingly clear that Russia is another civilization quite separate from Western Civilization.
Both of these civilizations are descended from Classical Civilization, but the connection with this predecessor was made so differently that two quite different traditions came into existence.
Russian traditions were derived from Byzantium directly; Western traditions were derived from the more moderate Classical Civilization indirectly, having passed through the Dark Ages when there was no state or government in the West.
Russian civilization was created from three sources originally: (1) the Slav people, (2) Viking invaders from the north, and (3) the Byzantine tradition from the south…
http://real-world-news.org/bk-quigley/03.html
Another paradigm I want to establish is a difference between two kinds of civilizations, which means a difference between two kinds of governments in them.
Asiatic civilizations, which I call Class B Civilizations, generally do not attempt to deal with individuals or with the problems of individuals; they leave interpersonal relationships to the local or kinship community.
Class A Civilizations include Classical Civilization, our own Western Civilization, or the first Chinese or Sinic Civilization, whose dates are 1800 B.C. to 400 A.D.
In Class A Civilizations, although the civilization begins as an area of common culture made up of communities, there is a long term trend to destroy and break down those communities…
Of the four civilizations which came out of Classical Antiquity’s wreckage, two, Islamic and Byzantine, clearly are Class B Civilizations, that is, they continued to work for communities…
http://www.carrollquigley.net/Lectures/The-State-of-Communities-AD-976-1576.htm
Donetsk -graphic video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lVavDFnn-o
View and weep.
Two thing.
They probably fight for money.
She probably doesn’t know they are muslims.
But these guys looks really tough.
There is no such thing as a “Judeo-Christian civilization ??”
It is a term used since 1945, I guess as part of propaganda.
proof :
http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=judeo-christian&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cjudeo%20-%20christian%3B%2Cc0
I am an amateur student of Islam, but I think prophet Muhammad was supported by a Christian slave mentioned in the Quran and I think the name of the slave was Omar. The only Christian mentioned in the Quran, as I remember it. I am not referring to Omar, who, only a few decades after the death of the prophet, built a magnificent grand Mosque in Jerusalem in the 690s. He was of another and greater caliber. I hope our Muslim friends can clarify this matter.
During WW1, the Germans could not understand why many Muslims fought for Russia and called the Tzar “Little father”. Russia has been misunderstood for centuries.
“Little father” is an expression older than we think. In old Gothic, the name of Attila, the Hun, means Little Father, some linguists say.
The Goths used to inhabit parts of presentday Ukraine. They don’t exist as a people anymore, but a small remnant supposedly survived until the 18th century and then was absorb by their neighbours. They must have offspring all over the country, including in Novorossiya. That, the Tatars and the birth of the rich Orthodox Rus culture, the craddle of Russia, make this civil war a war between brothers. The civil war is the most cruel of all wars. Father against son, brother against brother, as in the US civil war. We are related, but kept apart from each other. I can imagine the tears of Heaven over this foolishness. So also with the conflicts between Muslims, Christians and Jews. It has to stop and I, as a Christian, expect Heavenly intervention in the end. If I say the Sun will rise in the West eventually, perhaps that makes sense to some of you.
URGENT! 1 shell from ukranian territory ended up in city of Donetsk (small russian city with a similar name)in Rostov region, Russia. House destroyed, man died, two wounded. Coudn’t find anything on english, sorry. http://lifenews.ru/news/136482
Russia has gone through two baptisms of cultural influence both separate from that of Western civilization, that have helped make it so distinct. The first is as the descendant of the Byzantine Empire, but the second, and equally important is its defeat and reforging in the fires of the Golden Horde. While Kievan Rus was a “national” Orthodox kingdom, it was Muscovy after the Horde that truly became an empire, sharing the Mongol custom of tolerance of religions and loyal multi-confessionality under the proto-“state”. Thus Russia has ever since been a multiethnic and multiconfessional Empire and has never undergone the Western “Enlightenment” process of creating a “nation-state” with all of the genocide and ethnic cleansing that coincided with the institutions of Modernity in Europe.
This unique Eurasian civilization which rose, followed its own path to Modernity, stumbled and fell a fair bit, and is now rising again – is exemplified at its best with traditional Sufi Muslim Chechens and Ossetians fighting for their Orthodox Christian brothers. The Patriarch has remarked on at least two occasions that the Orthodox Church in many ways, including values and spirituality, can be seen as having more in common with the Traditional Sufi Muslims of “the Russian world” than with Western Christianity.
Someone can’t stand the fact that Russia will not be provoked: Man killed, two injured, by Ukrainian shelling on Russian territory.
Anonymous Islam student,
take a look at YouTube, Tom Holland’s Islam the Untold Story, Channel 4, of a couple of years ago.
“Muhammad” never wrote the Qur’an, but a very highly educated Christianity-hater did! It is not even a name, but probably a title like “the Christ.” The reference did not appear until 80 years after some bloke’s reputed death in 622. Islam is/was a stupefying fraud to justify the most powerful echelon of organised crime. But now it is history, thank the just good God.
Oleg Nikitin said…13 July, 2014 07:25
“URGENT! 1 shell from ukranian territory ended up in city of Donetsk (small russian city with a similar name)in Rostov region, Russia. House destroyed, man died, two wounded. Coudn’t find anything on english, sorry.” http://lifenews.ru/news/136482
That explains why porkshank decided not to go to Rio, after first saying he was. He knew ahead of time this provocation was planned and needed to be in the Ukraine when it did. The Russians had already warned further attacks were not going to be tolerated any more, so the ZPC/NWO fascists continued them.
Russia vows tough measures against Ukraine in wake of shooting incident in Rostov region – Foreign Ministry”
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_13/Russia-vows-tough-measures-against-Ukraine-in-wake-of-shooting-incident-in-Rostov-region-Foreign-Ministry-3676/
“Russia is considering a tough response in the wake of a shooting incident in its southern Rostov region where a shell fired from the Ukrainian side of the border hit a house, killing one person, Deputy Foreign Miniser Grigory Karasin said on Sunday.
“We are investigating the incident. It’s a sign of a dangerous rise in tension on the border. This is a qualitatively higher degree of danger to our citizens… Therefore, our demarches will be tough and precise. But first, we need to clarify all the circumstances of the incident,” the diplomat said.
On Sunday morning, one person was killed and two others were wounded after shells fired from the Ukrainian side hit several houses in the town of Donetsk in Russia’s southern Rostov region bordering on Ukraine…”
My guess if the Russians retaliate, the ZPC/NWO fascists will pretend they know nuttin’ about Ukraine’s attack and claim Russia is attacking Ukraine out of the blue. Like they did after sending in the Georgian army to terrorise South Ossetia.
вот так
Рогозин: Киев предпочитает разбомбить сирот во имя евромайдана (Rogozin: Kyiv prefers to bomb orphans in the name of euromayday)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/13/695330.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/13/695330.html
“The Ombudsman of Ukraine Valeriya Lutkovska, apparently, wants to Ukrainian orphans “bombed for humanitarian purposes”, said the Vice-Premier of Russia Dmitry Rogozin.
“The Ombudsman of Ukraine, probably, considers, that orphans better to bomb for humanitarian purposes and in the name of the great ideas of euromayday, and then, God forbid, will grow and will join the ranks of Colorado and quilted jackets,” – stated Rogozin in Facebook.
Let’s remind, the Ombudsman Valeria Lutkovska sent to the first Deputy Director-head of the border service of FSB of Russia Vladimir Kulikovo open letter, which stated that Kiev urges Russia not to let on Russian territory Ukrainian orphans coming from the East of Ukraine…”
вот так
Poroshenko attempts to reclaim the Crimea:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=692214454158878&fref=nf
Paul Rigby, UK
And the BBC has to vomit a bit more too: Negative views of Russia and Putin on the rise globally.
Every single Expat I’ve talked to in town, fully disagrees with the above statement.
Bull biscuits, that’s what it is. More white noise, more propaganda. This and what’s going on in Gaza make me sick to my stomach and I feel rather helpless actually…
Long time ago, say a hundred years ago, the British believed, that there was a British race etc.
See the old British literature.
Today we know that there is only one race, called human race.
Today America calls herself and her vassals, the West or the Western civilization. There is only one civilization and it is human civilization.
There is no Russian, British, Italian or Arab mathematics.
There is only one mathematics and it belongs to all mankind.
Anglo-Saxons are dividing people in order to rule with them.
Unfortunately, today we have situation that Russia which is a Slav nation is more welcomed in Argentina than among other Slav-European nations.
People must know it is thanks to Anglo-Saxon world.
Croat and Russophile
@ Andrew 13 July, 2014 01:58
“…to the extent that you decide to ally yourself to the Gnostic-Masonic conspirators who rule the West and have subtly undermined almost every nation and organized religion“
I’m interested in your opinion.
Do you consider these conspirator’s must be both Gnostic and Masonic [i.e that the two cannot be separated] ?
or can the conspirator be Masonic only ?
Do you believe that, unless a man’s sin is forgiven by Christ’s sacrifice, his soul is hell bound ?
To be sure, is the Gnosticism you refer to:
“a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit.“
Oleg Nikitin
the news is covered by ruvr in English and other languages.
According to the same ruvr, no reaction even this time. The Russians will start an enquiry…
Rockerduck
More ooopsies
Yesterday I posted evidence of Kolomoisky’s use of tactical air conditioning units. These weapons of mass ventilation are spreading. It seems like someone has used them to take out a couple of branches of Kolomoisky’s own Privat Bank in Odessa. My sympathies go to anyone still holding money in that bank.
Sanctuary One 06:35
The Ukrainian ATO doing what it does best. Murdering women and children at long range.
Poor, poor people.
PayPal working from the UK.
Keep up your sterling work, Saker.
This could be the straw that broke the Russian back?
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July 13, 2014
14:10
Shelling of Russian territory from Ukraine may have irreversible consequences – Foreign Ministry
13:53
Three Ukrainian shells shot at Russia’s Donetsk
13:45
SHELLING OF RUSSIAN TERRITORY FROM UKRAINIAN SIDE IS INDICATION OF DANGEROUS ESCALATION OF TENSION IN BORDER AREA AND MAY HAVE IRREVERSIBLE CONSEQUENCES – RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
13:43
RUSSIA CONSIDERS SHELLING ANOTHER AGGRESSIVE ACT OF UKRAINE AGAINST SOVEREIGN TERRITORY AND CITIZENS OF RUSSIA – FOREIGN MINISTRY
13:41
UKRAINE’S CHARGE D’AFFAIRS SUMMONED TO RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY WHERE RESOLUTE PROTEST WAS EXPRESSED OVER SHELLING OF RUSSIAN TERRITORY AND DEATH OF RUSSIAN CITIZEN – MINISTRY
12:58
Shelling of Russian territory from Ukraine causing loss of life will not be left unanswered – senior diplomat
@NAY-SAYERS:
I am getting quite a few comments (presently resting in /dev/null) which range from a lecture on the ethno-linguistic differences between Chechens and Ossetian to the usual “she don’t know these are not Russians”. To these nay-sayers I reply:
I am quite aware of the difference between Chechens and Ossetians, thank you. I even pointed out my doubts on this account by saying that while the video identified these men as Chechens, the only flag I saw was a South Ossetian one. In fact, the only common feature I pointed out is that they are formidable fighters. I stand by that.
As for the woman blessing them, unless you assume that she is illiterate, she can quite clearly read “БАТАЛЬОН ВОСТОК” on the vehicles and that means “Battalion East” a *very* well-known name, especially in Novorussia today since that battalion happens to be commanded by Khodakovskii. Of course, next you are going to say that if she is not illiterate, then she must be ignorant and know not “east of what” or that many/most men from that battalion are Chechens and/or Ossetians. Again, Donetsk is not the USA and people there now where Chechnia and Ossetia are on a map. I promise you. They even know a little something about the people living there.
I suppose that next some smart-ass will tell me that the woman is blind, or that this footage was taken in Tskhinval in 2008.
I am tired of that nonsense. So from now on, I will pass that kind of empty and illiterate comments to my pal /dev/null.
The Saker
Il Discobolo.
Out of theme: just a joke, in this hard times:
Putin will be at the 2014 football world championship in Brazil, where the final match will be between Argentina and Germany. Putin visited the previous days Argentina and a meeting is foreseen in Brazil with the German Cancellor.
He will see the match together with both the Cancellor of Germany Angela Merkel and the Argentina President Cristina Fernandez de Kircher.
Asked by a reporter which team he would wish will win, Putin, after thinking a bit, answered:
“Telling that could be more dangerous for me than a decision to military intervene in Ukraine…”
@rob
No, it will be not the straw: http://youtu.be/9cQ2ddv4qQU
LOL!
I surmise my latest comment was part of the “nay-sayers” deleted batch but I take exception with the “empty and illiterate” qualification.
I think my comment was very well formulated and went well beyond the dismissal of the “blessing woman” and unto the real core of problems with religion.
I am not too surprised because I witnessed many times that when religious die-hards get hit on a nerve their highly proclaimed “honesty” swiftly evaporates.
Of course I do not expect you to publish this, I am only talking to you and to your “conscience” :-)
I know this off topic, but even though the usual massacres in Palestine are echoed in the media and are condemned in unison by Western and global left, contrary to what happens with the Ukraine, I bring you this, if you find it interesting.
You get up on a Sunday morning, leisurely breakfast, you are reading about today, and suddenly, nausea …..
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184699.html
More nausea….
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184726.html
Even when war is hell on earth, in the midst of hell, beauty emerges, the essence of the human being, help, assist, protect …
Solidarity, internationalism of these “souls without borders” deserve such a long and beautiful life like Gert Hoffmann:
http://www.diariodelaire.com/2014/07/adios-gert-hoffmann-brigadista.html
“AGS said…,
Dearest Mohammed — You are a love. A good and generous soul. Perhaps it was only my view of the qualities I held dear which was exceptional. But if being exceptional means killing innocent humanity — then I’ll gladly drop all claims to “exceptionalism” — and be grateful to take my place with mankind. My tribe. Humanity.”
Dearest Sister AGS,
You are very kind and thank you for your generosity. I will write the SITREP or whatever it is called provided I am not giving away my location. However, if my book ever comes out, it surely will contain it.
As said above by the Christian student of Islam, that yes when Islam was in its infancy, one of the Christian’s King provided security for Prophet Mohammad (saws), so that he can preach his religion without hindrance and with security.
Holy Quran says, the Christians are the closet to Islam. The Christians have True Love of God in them.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“It would be very unpleasant if we were forced to take sides,” Nikolic said. “That would even divide Serbia. Many people in Serbia are Russophiles, while others accept western civilization as a better foundation for their life.”
http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/international-news/11195-serbia-to-avoid-sides-in-ukraine-crisis-president-says.html
I am from ex-Yugoslavia.
In the period from 1945-1991
in ex-Yugoslavia there was far stronger influence from so called the West than Russia.
Tito had far greater number of friends in the western capitals than Moscow.
Yugoslavia was broken due to the Anglo-Saxon machinations.
Serbs were the most influenced and powerful nation in ex-Yugoslavia. They had done very little or nothing for increasing friendship between Yugoslavia and Russia ( SSSR ).
it was due to material greed on the side of the Serbian ruling class.
For example:
Israel has built monument to Red Army, for Belgrade at that time, it would be anathema.
Many people will not like what I say, but it is true.
Serbs, in the last hundred years
liked Russia only so much as they cold benefit from Russia.
In the period 1945-1991 Serbs could have done far more for Russia than what they had done.
VladTheFluffy says:
Nora
” … it’s one thing to recognize and feel deeply the sins of my own country …”
Perhaps it’s better to realise that it isn’t your country. It’s one that you happened to be born and raised in, and happen to live in. It belongs to, and is run by, a small group of profoundly evil people who would gladly welcome Himmler and Heydrich as their own.
You may think instead that it’s your “culture”, but that’s one that, again, you were raised and indoctrinated in. It seems clear that you have distanced yourself from the “USA,USA,USA” pack animals and made the choice to join the human beings. For that act of personal choice, I for one congratulate you for that difficult act of courage.
“Nora said….,
Now, as for the present: I learned about Nazi Germany in school before it was called the Holocaust and the lesson we were taught was that it is the responsibility of every citizen to at least try to stop the evils done by one’s country. So yes, I do blame any Israeli who is not actively opposed to what’s being done in Gaza. Yes, I do. And I vote and pay taxes so I’m paying for the American guns and American people who decide how and where they’re going to be used even though I really have no voice in any of it. But again, I do think it’s my moral responsibility to try my best somehow to stop it: if I don’t, then I’m giving at least tacit permission to the horrors we are now committing. That’s a big part of why this blog matters so much to me.”
Dearest Sister,
How is Mr. Nora, please give my regards to him.
1. You are created in God’s Image. If His Image is Good, then you are Good, no matter what someone else says.
2. If God is Just, then you are responsible for your own acts and deeds. A Christian soul goes through life with guilt, guilt of Adam’s sins. Guilt of Hitler’s sins. Guilt of Israel sins.
3. If God is Love, Unconditional Mercy, Eternal Mercy, then on Judgement Day, a Just God will ensure that He is not being Petty. Majority of us are destined for PARADISE. Don’t believe in Dante’s Inferno.
4. Render unto Caesar what is due to him. You are not morally responsible, as you are powerless.
5. Don’t believe in Milton’s Paradise Lost. Who is this Greek/Roman character called Lord Lucifer? Seems like some Zeus Mythology. There is no such thing either in Judaism nor in Islam. God is in Perfect Harmony and He is not in Perpetual Wars.
6. Last but not least, God Plans and satan (adversary) plans, and Who Is The Best of Planner?
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Saker and Nora, (Re. collective guilt)
The topic is much more complicated than just saying there is no such thing as collective guilt. Simply refraining from endorsing the crimes of one’s government is probably insufficient to keep most consciences at ease, especially if you are a fully participating member of the society (you have a job, you pay taxes etc). Maybe if you drop out of the system altogether and become a homeless beggar you might have more of a case in just shrugging the whole thing off as something you have nothing to do with.
We all want to actively confront in some way those crimes which are being done in our name, even if our name is only a microscopic part of it.
Expressing one’s outrage in writing and disseminating it is already better than just shrugging it off and pretend nothing is happening just because “I can do nothing about it anyway”.
There are other, more radical means to express one’s rage or desaagreement, but they carry a real risk of physical harm and other kinds of harms. The repressive apparatus has become monstruous in the West, especially in the US. In that respect, try to think of the Maidan images (which the western media amazingly portrayed as “restrained protesters”) and try to think how American security forces would have handled that kind of protesting.
In the end, it is a deal one strikes with one’s own conscience. I am not particularly proud of my level of involvent. I am painfully aware of my laziness, my cowardice, and the fact that I limit my disagreement to some daily online comments and tweets. I suppose it’s better than playing golf and shrugging, but not by a lot.