Ahead of his visit to Italy, Vladimir Putin gave an interview to the newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.
President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Good evening.
Luciano Fontana: Good evening, Mr President. First of all, we would like to thank you for giving us this important opportunity to interview you today.
Vladimir Putin: It is my pleasure.
Luciano Fontana: My name is Luciano Fontana. I am the new head of Il Corriere della Sera, and here with me is my colleague, Paolo Valentino, who worked for a long time in Russia and even married a Russian woman.
Vladimir Putin: You are the new head of the newspaper?
Luciano Fontana: Yes, it has only been a month.
Vladimir Putin: Congratulations you on the appointment.
Luciano Fontana: Thank you very much, Mr Putin.
I would like to start with a question concerning Russian-Italian relations. This relationship has always been close and privileged, both in the economic and political spheres. However, it has been somewhat marred by the crisis in Ukraine and the sanctions.
Could the recent visit by Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi to Russia and your upcoming visit to Milan somehow change this trend, and if so, what is needed for that?
Vladimir Putin: First, I firmly believe that Russia was not responsible for the deterioration in relations between our country and the EU states. This was not our choice; it was dictated to us by our partners. It was not we who introduced restrictions on trade and economic activities. Rather, we were the target and we had to respond with retaliatory, protective measures.
But the relationship between Russia and Italy has, indeed, always been privileged, both in politics and the economy. For instance, in recent years, that is, in the last couple of years, trade between our countries increased elevenfold, from what I believe was $4.2 billion – we make calculations in US dollars – to over $48 billion, nearly $49 billion.
There are 400 Italian companies operating in Russia. We are cooperating actively in the energy sector, in an array of fields. Italy is the third largest consumer of our energy resources. We also have many joint high technology projects: in the space and aircraft industries, and in many other sectors. Russian regions are working very closely with Italy. Last year, almost a million Russian tourists, about 900,000, visited Italy. And while there, they spent over a billion euro.
We have always enjoyed trust-based relations in the political sphere as well. The establishment of the Russia-NATO Council was Italy’s initiative – Silvio Berlusconi was Prime Minister at the time. This advisory working body no doubt became an important factor of security in Europe. In this regard, Italy has always contributed greatly to the development of the dialogue between Russia and Europe, and NATO as a whole. Not to mention our special cultural and humanitarian cooperation.
All this, of course, lays the foundation for a special relationship between our countries. And the incumbent Prime Minister’s visit to Russia sent a very important message showing that Italy is willing to develop these relations. It is only natural that this does not go unnoticed either by the Government of the Russian Federation or by the public.
We are, of course, ready to reciprocate and go further in expanding our cooperation as long as our Italian partners are willing to do the same. I hope that my upcoming visit to Milan will help in this respect.
Interview to the Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.
Luciano Fontana: I would like to satisfy my curiosity and ask you one more question about Italy.
You have known several chairmen of the Italian Council of Ministers – Romano Prodi, Silvio Berlusconi, Massimo D’Alema and Matteo Renzi. With whom did you find that you understood each other best? And how much, in your opinion, does the existence of a personal relationship – like the one you had with Silvio Berlusconi – contribute to good relations between countries?
Vladimir Putin: No matter what posts we occupy or what our jobs are, we are still human, and personal trust is certainly a very important factor in our work, in building relations on the interstate level. One of the people you have just mentioned once told me, “You must be the only person (meaning I was the only person) – who has a friendly relationship with both Berlusconi and Prodi.” I can tell you that it was not difficult for me, I still don’t find it difficult, and I can tell you why. My Italian partners have always put the interests of Italy, of the Italian people, first and believed that in order to serve the interests of their country, including economic and political interests, they must maintain friendly relations with Russia. We have always understood and felt that.
This has been the key element underlying our good relations. I have always sensed a truly sincere interest in building interstate relations irrespective of the domestic political situation. I would like to say in this regard that the attitude people in Russia have developed towards Italy does not depend on which political party is in power.
Paolo Valentino: Mr President, you are coming to Milan for the celebration of the Russia Day at the Universal Exhibition EXPO 2015. The core theme of this year’s exhibition is “Feeding the Planet, Energy for Life.” What is Russia’s contribution to this cause? What does this effort mean for relations between states?
Vladimir Putin: This is one of the major challenges that humanity is facing today. So I can and must acknowledge that the Italian organisers chose one of the key themes for the exhibition.
The world’s population is growing. According to experts, it will reach 9 billion people by 2050. But even today, according to the same sources, to the UN, 850 million people all over the planet are under‑nourished or starving, and 100 million of them are children. So, there is no doubt that this is one of the key issues of our time. Many other issues, seemingly unrelated, will depend on how we deal with it. I am talking about instability among other things, that is political instability of entire regions, terrorism, and so on. All these problems are interrelated. The surge of illegal migration that has hit Italy and Europe today is among these resulting problems. I would like to repeat that, in my view, the organisers did the right thing pointing out the need to address this issue.
As for Russia’s contribution, we channel over $200 million into this through UN programmes. Many countries around the world receive necessary support and assistance under these programmes using Russian resources.
We pay significant attention to the development of agriculture in our country. Notwithstanding all the difficulties that the development of Russian economy faces today, our agricultural sector, the sector of agricultural production, has been growing steadily – last year the growth was around 3.4‑3.5 percent. In the first quarter of the current year, the growth stayed at the same level, exceeding 3 percent, at 3.4 percent. Russia is now the third largest grain exporter in the world. Last year, we had a record harvest of grain crops, one of the largest in recent years – 105.3 million tonnes. Finally, Russia has an enormous potential in this sphere. I think that we have the largest area of arable land in the world and the biggest fresh water reserves, since Russia is the biggest country in the world in terms of territory.
Paolo Valentino: Thank you, Mr Putin.
When we were talking about the shadow cast on our relations, you said that it was not your choice, and there is an opinion that Russia feels betrayed, abandoned by Europe, like a lover abandoned by his mistress. What are the problems in our relations today? Do you think that Europe has been too dependent on the United States in the Ukrainian crisis? What do you expect from Europe in relation to the sanctions? I may have asked too many questions at once.
Vladimir Putin: You have certainly asked a lot of questions, with an Italian flair. (Laughs)
First, about the mistress. In this kind of a relationship with a woman, that is, if you assume no obligations, you have no right to claim any obligations from your partner.
We have never viewed Europe as a mistress. I am quite serious now. We have always proposed a serious relationship. But now I have the impression that Europe has actually been trying to establish material‑based relations with us, and solely for its own gain. There is the notorious Third Energy Package and the denial of access for our nuclear energy products to the European market despite all the existing agreements. There is reluctance to acknowledge the legitimacy of our actions and reluctance to cooperate with integration associations in the territory of the former Soviet Union. I am referring to the Customs Union, which we created and which has now grown into the Eurasian Economic Union.
Because it is all right when integration takes place in Europe, but if we do the same in the territory of the former Soviet Union, they try to explain it by Russia’s desire to restore an empire. I don’t understand the reasons for such an approach.
You see, all of us, including me, have been talking for a long time about the need to establish a common economic space stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok. In fact, French President Charles de Gaulle said something similar a lot earlier than me. Today nobody objects to it, everybody says: yes, we should aspire to this.
But what is happening in practice? For example, the Baltic States have joined the European Union. Good, no problem. But today we are being told that these countries, which are part of the energy system of the former Soviet Union and Russia, they must join the European Union’s energy system. We ask: Are there any problems with energy supply or with something else? Why is it necessary? – No, there are no problems, but we have decided that it will be better this way.
What does this mean for us in practical terms? It means that we will be forced to build additional generating capacities in some western regions in Russia. Since electricity transmission lines went through the Baltic States to some Russian regions and vice versa, all of them will now be switched over to Europe, and we will have to build new transmission lines in our country to ensure electricity supply. This will cost us about 2‑2.5 billion euro.
Now let’s look at the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement. It does not require that Ukraine becomes part of the European energy system, but it is considered possible. If this happens, we will have to spend not 2‑2.5 billion but, probably, about 8‑10 billion euro for the same purpose. The question is: why is this necessary if we believe in building a common economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok? What is the objective of the European Union’s Eastern Partnership? Is it to integrate the whole former Soviet Union into a single space with Europe, I repeat for the third time, from Lisbon to Vladivostok, or to cut something off and establish a new border between modern Russia and the western territories including, say, Ukraine and Moldova?
Let me tell you something else now, and you can decide for yourselves what to publish and what to leave out.
What are the roots of the Ukrainian crisis? Its cause seems to be completely disproportionate to what has become an utter tragedy today claiming many lives in southeast Ukraine. What sparked the crisis? Former President Viktor Yanukovych said that he needed to think about signing Ukraine’s Association Agreement with the EU, possibly make some changes and hold consultations with Russia, its major trade and economic partner. In this connection or under this pretext riots broke out in Kiev. They were actively supported both by our European and American partners. Then a coup d’état followed – a totally anti-constitutional act. The new authorities announced that they were going to sign the Association Agreement but would delay its implementation until January 1, 2016. The question is: what was the coup d’état for? Why did they need to escalate the situation to a civil war? The result is exactly the same.
What is more, at the end of 2013 we were ready to give Ukraine $15 billion as a state loan supported by a further $5 billion via commercial banks; plus we already gave it $3 billion during the year and promised to cut gas prices by half if they paid regularly. We were not at all against Ukraine signing an Association Agreement with the European Union. But, of course, we wanted to participate in the final decisions, meaning that Ukraine was then and is still now, today, a member of the CIS free trade area, and we have mutual obligations as its members.
How is it possible to completely ignore this, to treat it with utter disrespect? I simply cannot understand that. The result that we have – a coup d’état, a civil war, hundreds of lives lost, devastated economy and social sphere, a four-year $17.5 billion loan promised to Ukraine by the IMF and complete disintegration of economic ties with Russia. But Russian and Ukrainian economies are very deeply interconnected.
The European Union unilaterally removed its customs duties for Ukraine. However, the volume of Ukraine’s sales to the European market did not grow. Why not? Because there is nothing to sell. There is no demand in the European market for Ukrainian products, either in terms of quality or price, in addition to the products that were already sold before.
We have a market for Ukraine, but many ties have been severed unilaterally by the Ukrainian side. For example, all engines for our combat helicopters came from Ukraine. Now deliveries have stopped. We have already built one plant in St Petersburg and another plant will be completed this year, but the production of these engines in Ukraine will be shut down because Italy, France or Germany don’t need and will never need such engines. It is impossible for Ukraine to divert its production in any way; it will need billions in investment to do this.
I don’t understand why this was done. I have asked many of my colleagues, including in Europe and America, about it.
During interview to Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.
Paolo Valentino: And what do they answer?
Vladimir Putin: The situation got out of control.
You know, I would like to tell you and your readers one thing. Last year, on February 21, President Yanukovych and the Ukrainian opposition signed an agreement on how to proceed, how to organise political life in the country, and on the need to hold early elections. They should have worked to implement this agreement, especially since three European foreign ministers signed this agreement as guarantors of its implementation.
If those colleagues were used for the sake of appearances and they were not in control of the situation on the ground, which was in fact in the hands of the US ambassador or a CIA resident, they should have said: “You know, we did not agree to a coups d’etat, so we will not support you; you should go and hold elections instead.”
The same could be said about our American partners. Let’s assume that they also lost control of the situation. But if America and Europe had said to those who had taken these unconstitutional actions: ”If you come to power in such a way, we will not support you under any circumstances; you must hold elections and win them” – (by the way, they had a 100‑percent chance of a victory, everybody knows that), the situation would have developed in a completely different way.
So, I believe that this crisis was created deliberately and it is the result of our partner’s unprofessional actions. And the coverage of this process has been absolutely unacceptable. I would like to emphasise once more: this was not our choice, we did not seek it, we are simply forced to respond to what is happening.
In conclusion – forgive me for this protracted monologue – I would like to say that it is not that we feel deceived or treated unfairly. This is not the point. The point is that relationships should be built on a long‑term basis not in the atmosphere of confrontation, but in the spirit of cooperation.
Paolo Valentino: You say the situation got out of control. But is it not the right moment for Russia to seize the initiative, to find a way to engage its American and European partners in the search of solution to the situation, to show that it is ready to address this problem?
Vladimir Putin: That is exactly what we are doing. I think that today the document we agreed upon in Minsk, called Minsk‑II, is the best agreement and perhaps the only unequivocal solution to this problem. We would never have agreed upon it if we had not considered it to be right, just and feasible.
On our part, we take every effort, and will continue to do so, in order to influence the authorities of the unrecognised self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics. But not everything depends on us. Our European and US partners should exert influence on the current Kiev administration. We do not have the power, as Europe and the United States do, to convince Kiev to carry out everything that was agreed on in Minsk.
I can tell you what needs to be done; maybe I will anticipate your next question. The key aspect of the political settlement was to create conditions for this joint work, but it was essential to stop the hostilities, to pull back heavy weaponry. On the whole, this has been done. Unfortunately, there is still shooting occasionally and there are casualties, but there are no large‑scale hostilities, the sides have been separated. It is time to begin implementing the Minsk Agreements.
Specifically, there needs to be a constitutional reform to ensure the autonomous rights of the unrecognised republics. The Kiev authorities do not want to call it autonomy, they prefer different terms, such as decentralisation. Our European partners, those very partners who wrote the corresponding clause in the Minsk Agreements, explained what should be understood as decentralisation. It gives them the right to speak their language, to have their own cultural identity and engage in cross‑border trade – nothing special, nothing beyond the civilised understanding of ethnic minorities’ rights in any European country.
A law should be adopted on municipal elections in these territories and a law on amnesty. All this should be done, as the Minsk Agreements read, in coordination with Donetsk People’s Republic and Lugansk People’s Republic, with these territories.
The problem is that the current Kiev authorities don’t even want to sit down to talks with them. And there is nothing we can do about it. Only our European and American partners can influence this situation. There is no need to threaten us with sanctions. We have nothing to do with this, this is not our position. We seek to ensure the implementation of the Minsk Agreements.
It is essential to launch economic and social rehabilitation of these territories. What has happened there, exactly? The current Kiev authorities have simply cut them off from the rest of the country. They discontinued all social payments – pensions, benefits; they cut off the banking system, made regular energy supply impossible, and so on. So you see, there is a humanitarian disaster in those regions. And everybody is pretending that nothing is wrong.
Our European colleagues have taken on certain obligations, in particular they promised to help restore the banking system in these territories. Finally, since we are talking about what can or must be done, and by whom, I believe that the European Union could surely provide greater financial assistance to Ukraine. These are the main points.
I would like to stress that Russia is interested in and will strive to ensure the full and unconditional implementation of the Minsk Agreements, and I don’t believe there is any other way to settle this conflict today.
Incidentally, the leaders of the self-proclaimed republics have publicly stated that under certain conditions – meaning the implementation of the Minsk Agreements – they are ready to consider themselves part of the Ukrainian state. This is a fundamental issue. I think this position should be viewed as a sound precondition for the start of substantial negotiations.
Paolo Valentino: So you are saying that it is out of the question for the Crimean scenario to be repeated in eastern Ukraine?
Vladimir Putin: You know, the Crimean scenario does not reflect Russia’s position; it reflects the position of the people who live in Crimea.
All our actions, including those with the use of force, were aimed not at tearing away this territory from Ukraine but at giving the people living there an opportunity to express their opinion on how they want to live their lives.
I would like to stress this once again, as I have said many times before: if Kosovo Albanians were allowed this, why is it prohibited to Russians, Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars living in Crimea? And by the way, the decision on Kosovo’s independence was made exclusively by the Kosovo Parliament, whereas Crimea held a region-wide referendum. I think that a conscientious observer could not but see that people voted almost unanimously for reunification with Russia.
I would like to ask those who do not want to recognise it: if our opponents call themselves democrats, I would like to ask what exactly democracy means. As far as I know, democracy is the rule of the people, or the rule based on the will of the people. So, the solution of the Crimean issue is based on the will of the people of the Crimea.
In Donetsk and Lugansk people voted for independence, and the situation there is different. But the main thing, something we must always bear in mind, is that we should always respect the feelings and the choice of the people. And if somebody wants these territories to remain part of Ukraine, they should prove to those people that their lives would be better, more comfortable and safer within a unified state; that they would be able to provide for themselves and ensure their children’s future within this state. But it is impossible to convince these people by means of weapons. These issues, issues of this kind can only be resolved by peaceful means.
Interview to the Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.
Paolo Valentino: Speaking of peace, the countries that used to be parties to the Warsaw Treaty and today are NATO countries, such as the Baltic states and Poland, feel threatened by Russia. NATO has decided to create special forces to address these concerns. My question is whether the West is right in its determination to restrain “the Russian bear”, and why does Russia continue to speak in such a contentious tone?
Vladimir Putin: Russia does not speak with anyone in a contentious tone, and in such matters, to quote a political figure from the past, Otto von Bismarck, it is not discussions but the potential that counts.
What does the actual potential show? US military spending is higher than that of all countries in the world taken together. The aggregate military spending of NATO countries is 10 times, note – 10 times higher than that of the Russian Federation. Russia has virtually no bases abroad. We have the remnants of our armed forces (since Soviet times) in Tajikistan, on the border with Afghanistan, which is an area where the terrorist threat is particularly high. The same role is played by our airbase in Kyrgyzstan; it is also aimed at addressing the terrorist threat and was set up at the request of the Kyrgyz authorities after a terrorist attack perpetrated by terrorists from Afghanistan on Kyrgyzstan.
We have kept since Soviet times a military unit at a base in Armenia. It plays a certain stabilising role in the region, but it is not targeted against anyone. We have dismantled our bases in various regions of the world, including Cuba, Vietnam, and so on. This means that our policy in this respect is not global, offensive or aggressive.
I invite you to publish the world map in your newspaper and to mark all the US military bases on it. You will see the difference.
Sometimes I am asked about our airplanes flying somewhere far, over the Atlantic Ocean. Patrolling by strategic airplanes in remote regions was carried out only by the Soviet Union and the United States during the Cold War. In the early 1990s, we, the new, modern Russia, stopped these flights, but our American friends continued to fly along our borders. Why? Some years ago, we resumed these flights. And you want to say that we have been aggressive?
American submarines are on permanent alert off the Norwegian coast; they are equipped with missiles that can reach Moscow in 17 minutes. But we dismantled all of our bases in Cuba a long time ago, even the non-strategic ones. And you would call us aggressive?
You yourself have mentioned NATO’s expansion to the east. As for us, we are not expanding anywhere; it is NATO infrastructure, including military infrastructure, that is moving towards our borders. Is this a manifestation of our aggression?
Finally, the United States unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which was to a large extent the cornerstone of the entire international security system. Anti-missile systems, bases and radars are located in the European territory or in the sea, e.g. in the Mediterranean Sea, and in Alaska. We have said many times that this undermines international security. Do you think this is a display of our aggression as well?
Everything we do is just a response to the threats emerging against us. Besides, what we do is limited in scope and scale, which are, however, sufficient to ensure Russia’s security. Or did someone expect Russia to disarm unilaterally?
I have proposed to our American partners not to withdraw from the treaty unilaterally, but to create an ABM system together, the three of us: Russia, the United States and Europe. But this proposal was declined. We said at the time: ”Well, this is an expensive system, its efficiency is not proven, but to ensure the strategic balance we will develop our strategic offensive potential, we will develop systems of overpowering anti-ballistic defence. And I have to say that we have made significant strides in this area.
As for some countries’ concerns about Russia’s possible aggressive actions, I think that only an insane person and only in a dream can imagine that Russia would suddenly attack NATO. I think some countries are simply taking advantage of people’s fears with regard to Russia. They just want to play the role of front-line countries that should receive some supplementary military, economic, financial or some other aid. Therefore, it is pointless to support this idea; it is absolutely groundless. But some may be interested in fostering such fears. I can only make a conjecture.
For example, the Americans do not want Russia’s rapprochement with Europe. I am not asserting this, it is just a hypothesis. Let’s suppose that the United States would like to maintain its leadership in the Atlantic community. It needs an external threat, an external enemy to ensure this leadership. Iran is clearly not enough – this threat is not very scary or big enough. Who can be frightening? And then suddenly this crisis unfolds in Ukraine. Russia is forced to respond. Perhaps, it was engineered on purpose, I don’t know. But it was not our doing.
Let me tell you something – there is no need to fear Russia. The world has changed so drastically that people with some common sense cannot even imagine such a large-scale military conflict today. We have other things to think about, I assure you.
Paolo Valentino: But you cooperate with the United States on Iran, and John Kerry’s visit sent yet another message in this regard. Or am I wrong?
Vladimir Putin: You are right – it did. We are cooperating not only on the Iranian nuclear programme, but on other serious issues as well. Despite America’s withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, our arms control dialogue continues.
We are not just partners; I would say we are allies in addressing the issues related to non‑proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. We are undoubtedly allies in the fight against terrorism. There are some other areas of collaboration as well. The central theme of Expo Milano, which you mentioned earlier, is yet another example of our joint work. Indeed, there are plenty of issues that we continue to tackle jointly.
Paolo Valentino: Mr Putin, on May 9, Russiamarked the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory, which liberated both your country and the entire Europe from Nazism. No other country paid as bloody a price for this victory as Russia. However, there were no Western leaders standing next to you on Red Square. Il Corriere della Sera published Silvio Berlusconi’s letter criticising those leaders for their absence. I have two related questions.
Do you think that by their absence they showed disrespect for the Russian people? What does the memory of the Great Patriotic War mean to the Russian identity today?
Vladimir Putin: It is not a matter of identity. Identity is built on culture, language and history. This war is a tragic page in our history. When we mark such days, festive but also sad given the number of lives lost in that war, we think about the generation that made our freedom and independence possible, about those who triumphed over Nazism. We also think about the fact that no one has the right to forget this tragedy, first of all, because we must think about how to avoid the repetition of anything like that in the future. These are not just words; it is not an unfounded fear.
Today, we hear some people say that there was no such thing as the holocaust, for instance. We are witnessing attempts to glorify the Nazis and their collaborators. This is part of our life today. Today’s terrorism in all its various manifestations is very much like Nazism; in fact, there is hardly any difference between the two.
As for the colleagues you have mentioned, it is their personal choice, of course, whether to come to Moscow to join in the celebrations or not. I think that they failed to see past the current complexity in international relations to something far more important that is linked not only to the past, but also to the need to fight for our common future.
They made their choice, but this day is, first and foremost, our holiday. You see, there were veterans from quite a number of countries in Moscow: from the United States, Great Britain, Poland and other European countries. In fact, it is these people who are the true heroes of this day, and this was very important to us. During those celebrations, we did not honour only those who fought Nazism in the Soviet Union; we also remembered the Resistance fighters in Germany itself, in France and in Italy. We remember all of them and pay tribute to all the people who did not spare themselves in the fight against Nazism.
Certainly, we understand only too well that it was the Soviet Union that made the decisive contribution into the Victory and suffered the most severe losses in the fight against Nazism. It is more than just a military victory to us, it is a moral victory. You see, virtually every family lost someone in the war. How can we forget this? It is impossible.
Paolo Valentino: There are a few more quick questions left.
Vladimir Putin: I hope they are quick indeed.
During interview to Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.
Luciano Fontana: You are a very popular leader in Russia, but in other countries and even in your own country you are often called authoritarian. Why is it so difficult to be part of the opposition in Russia?
Vladimir Putin: What is so difficult about it? If the opposition proves that it can tackle the challenges faced by a district, a region or the whole country, then, I think, people will always notice it.
The number of parties in our country has multiplied, in recent years we liberalised the process of establishing a political party and taking it to a regional and national level. It is all about their competence and ability to work with the electorate, to work with people.
Paolo Valentino: Then why are members of the opposition so rarely interviewed by the main Russian TV channels?
Vladimir Putin: I think if they have something interesting to say, they will be interviewed more often.
As for political competition, we know that various means are used against political rivals. Just take a look at the most recent history of Italy.
Paolo Valentino: Mr President, Greece is facing huge difficulties in its relations with Europe. If Greece leaves the eurozone, will Russia be ready to offer it political and economical assistance?
Vladimir Putin: We are building our relations with Greece irrespective of whether it is an EU, eurozone or NATO member. We have very close historical and good partnership relations with Greece, which is why it is up to the Greek people to make a sovereign decision as to which union and zone to be part of. But we don’t know what will happen in the future, so it would be wrong or even harmful for both Greek and European economies if we, as the saying goes, try to read the tea leaves.
For an economy like Greece there are certain difficulties brought about by the common European rules. They cannot devalue the drachma because they don’t have it, they are strictly pegged to the euro currency. Their boundaries are fully open for European goods, which gives a distinct advantage to the export-oriented economies. Common decisions are made concerning such sectors as agriculture and fishery, where Greece could have certain competitive advantages but there are limits as well.
Another sector where it has an advantage is tourism, of course, but it applies to the Schengen area and there are also some limits. We have a visa-free arrangement with Turkey and 5 million Russian tourists visited this country last year, while less than one million tourists visited Greece, around 300,000, as far as I know. However, Greece receives concessional loans, financial support from the European treasury, and it has access to the European labour market. There are also other benefits of being part of the European family.
It is not up to us here in Russia to decide what is more beneficial and preferable for Greece. Once again, it is up to the Greek people to make a sovereign decision in dialogue with their main European partners.
Paolo Valentino: I would like to ask the last two small questions.
Vladimir Putin: Are we going to stay here until morning?
Paolo Valentino: We can see four Russian emperors here, in this room. Which historical figure inspires you the most?
Vladimir Putin: You know, people ask me this question a lot. I prefer to dodge it since the answer can give rise to various interpretations. (Laughs)
So I will put it like this: I try not to idolise anybody. I try, or rather, I am guided by the interests of the Russian people in my work, taking into account everything that has been previously accumulated and the conditions we are living in today, and I try to get a glimpse of the way we should build our life, economy and policy – first and foremost, our domestic policy – as well as our foreign policy in the medium and long-term strategic perspective.
There are many good examples in both Russian and European history, as well as in world history. But all those people lived and worked in certain conditions. The most important thing is to be honest with yourself and with the people who have entrusted you with this work.
Luciano Fontana: One last question. What is your biggest regret in life? What do you consider a mistake that you would never want to make again?
Vladimir Putin: I will be quite frank with you. I cannot recollect anything of the kind. By the grace of God, I have nothing to regret in my life.
Question: You are a happy person.
Vladimir Putin: I am, thank God.
source: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/49629
Could you bold Putin’s name ? This interview is hard to read.
Excellence personified!….. Obama,Clintons,Bushes,b-liar….oops Blair, and all other scumbags….eat it and die!
Not a teleprompter in sight!
Absolutely. If everything were proper and right in the world, this is the man who would and should be getting standing ovations from our American Congress, not some Ukrainian sycophant who thinks nothing of awarding medals to self-declared fascists firing grads at civilian quarters and cheering their deaths.
THIS is a statesman.
Putin is the kind of man other men want as a buddy. He’s real. He has a clear mind. He has a sense of humor. He’s not full of himself. He knows where he’s going. He loves his people. He’s a standup guy. He can’t be bullied. He’s a rugged individual. He loves animals and abhors criminals. He’s been a good father. He’s a patriot. He’s a fast thinker. He’s a good communicator. He says what he means. He means what he says. He’s generous. He’s polite. He’s responsible.
Those attributes used to be what Americans cherished as ideal qualities.
The last public American with qualities like these is Clint Eastwood. Alas, the highest office he held was Mayor of Carmel, California.
Certainly, not a single person in public service has any two of these qualities.
In fact, none of them meet the first sentence criterion.
The representatives of America are anathema to me. I envy the Russian people.
Clint Eastwood has shown he is “full of himself” by numerous actions while mayor of Carmel.
Very few people ever rise to become true Statesmen–less than a handful every century. I can’t think of anyone born in the Outlaw Empire having such qualities–British North America, yes, prior to 1776, but none after.
What ills befallen Carmel?
‘Former Mayor of Carmel
It has been over 20 years since Clint Eastwood, also known to his fans as “Dirty Harry,” was mayor of the City of Carmel-by-the-Sea, but visitors still ask “Is Clint Eastwood still the mayor?” referring to his one term that ran from 1986 to 1988. His campaign slogan was “Bringing the Community Together,” and he stressed his desire to build bridges between the business community and the residential community. His strategy worked and though he enjoyed his experience, he did not to run for a second term’. http://www.carmelcalifornia.com/fun-facts-about-carmel.htm
Thanks for printing this full interview it is good to read the whole of a conversation from beginning to end.
Not the chopped up version that ends up in the western media.
Nothing controversial said nothing offensive just the straight forward facts.
(About the US) We are undoubtedly allies in the fight against terrorism. —Putin
Putin is a smart man, however I find it disconcerting that he promotes the hoax which is six million dead. The whole depiction of WWII as some black and white struggle of good and evil is a complete and utter farce, the Soviet Union was in the throes of a Zionist run cabal of Bolshevik murderers, my grandfather lost both siblings to these monsters in Siberian camps during Stalin’s cleansing of the educated class. I find myself seething at the nostalgia that surrounds Bolshevik Russia under Stalin, whose rein of terror condemned millions to misery, suffering and death. As General Patton remarked, the Allies defeated the wrong enemy, the myth of evil Nazi’s is a larger than life extravaganza, but the reality was far from what we now perceive.
The Saker likes to refer to Nazi this and Nazi that, but in doing so he’s just reinforcing the mythology that was created in the cultural laboratories of the Zionist goblins. Lamp shades of human skin, shrunken heads, gas chambers with doors that are not even sealed, human soap, and on and on and on, all scientifically and irrefutably debunked. It’s a fact that the eastern European countries were more racially radical than the Germans ever were, what we now see as white supremacy and the using of swastika’s in the Ukraine, Russia and elsewhere is a CIA created monster that has nothing at all do to with National Socialism as it existed in Germany, and is largely populated with ork level intelligence, the result of a general state of human ignorance.
After WWII 95-96% of all US and British POW’s in Germany were alive and able to return home, on the other hand the open field starvation camps created by the allies killed more than 1.5 million German soldiers and refugees. The good guy Allies even corralled millions of eastern Europeans who fled the onslaught of the Communists and shipped them back east in freight cars to be massacred by Stalin’s gremlins. We talk about the ‘war crime’s’ of the Germans, yet it was the allies who on every occasion hold the title for most civilians killed in single day events, Dresden which some estimate to be over 100,000 killed, not to mention the other firebombed German cities, but also Nagasaki, and Hiroshima.
“There were no more than 4 million Jews living in German-occupied territory. As the German army advanced, the Jews fled rather than be captured. On June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that 3,375,000 Jewish “holocaust survivors” had applied for reparations. Now, if we subtract 3,375,000 from 4,000,000, that leaves 625,000 unaccounted for.” – Unknown online source.
Is the above quote true? Can we see how many ‘survivors’ applied for reparations? Surely the German government has the numbers. And for how long must reparations continue? Indefinitely, for even the children of the ‘survivors’? The whole situation is an utter farce.
I find it sad that modern day Russia uses the mythology of the Nazi bogeyman, a Zionist construct, and considers the USA as an ally in the ‘war on terror’!? The US and its network of affiliates in Britain, Israel, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere created, funded and nurture the entire terror complex! Can Putin be so stupid? Is he and Russia so embedded into the western financial scheme that he cannot but play the fool?
Thank you for your comment, the myths have to be seen through to understand the trueth of the reasons for the war against NAZI Germany. It was to do with independent monetary and sovereign money systems implemented in Germany. Not unlike why Libya has been decimated more recently and why there is the march to war now against Russia and China.
WW2 was a holocaust but not in the way it is propagandised by Hollywood. In this I agree with Putin but I doubt it would he accepted in the mainstream. After being raised in a 5 eye country and dragged to the museum to see such warped exhibits of said lamp shades and soap, I have come to realise the B.S. that it all is.
Stalin and his regime were partners in the myth and only towards the end of the war when Stalin discovered the structures that the Western Financial Oligarchs were setting up did he rebel and lead the Soviets down a different path. The lagacy of which reveberates today and is nicely covered in Oliver Stones series on American History.
This current drum beat for war is the last move of a desperate system to chorale the world into the arms of the Western Financial Oligarchic system. A New Techno Feudalistic World Order.
May it die a million deaths without the bloodshed that is being schemed by the Money Cult.
People never seem to look at the real reasons for WW2. The things that Hitler did. I don’t mean the addict after he lost his mind but the man before who pulled Germany out of the death spiral it was on. Which is why I have a hard time believing the things they say about him. He seemed to hate jews but had jews working for him just like the US hates Muslims but also work for uncle sam. But if he was after jews like they make it out to be in the middle of a war of extinction, Then Germany would have lost the war far sooner.. No one can keep the things they say he did secret no matter what. Lots of atrocities were committed by all but nothing like the national effort that would have gone in to root out spies at every level of society. We already know the nazi’s terminated any undesirables and they include mostly anyone else except themselves. But I highly doubt they put that much effort to root them out when rooting out spies and saboteurs were far more urgent. Even looking at things logically, I never seen anyone equate WW2 with the financial path Germany was on. You would think Iraq getting invaded after switching their oil sales into the euro, Libya after trying to start an African union monitory union based on gold etc and still.. But Iraq and Libya was on the mend with the west when they were invaded. Libya had just paid like 5 bil in damages for a crime the Iranians did in retaliation for what the US did to them. And Syria and Afghanistan for pipelines etc.. Its the $$$ stupid..
Sure dude, like Hitler was the best guy ever, the Germans ran around Europe planting flowers and there were no Jews (nor any other nationalities) killed, actually they were the Nazis. You got it all correct, while millions of witnesses and loads of real physical proof are simply to be ignored. Because you say so (of course backed only by your fantasy).
God how I hate these nazi-brainwashed revisionist idiots. For fwck’s sake, you’re talking to people whose grandfathers fought in that war. And to people like me who fought the grandsons of the same nazis in the next war. I DO actually take such stupid lies as a personal insult.
Go back to the s**thole you came from.
The term Nazi was never used by the Germans, it was a derogative term created by the western media empire. The idea that Hitler was some satanic incarnation is a total fabrication, he was leading his German people out of the economic and moral slums they had fallen into under the Zionist powers, he created, in the face of Zionist opposition, the greatest economic miracle in modern times. Hitler was a demagogue, but he was first and foremost a German fighting for Germany, Austria at the time welcomed the German ‘invasion’, many on the eastern front welcomed the Germans considering it a vast improvement over the brutal Bolsheviks.
When I read comments like those from T2015, I lament for humanity, these simple minded automatons that see everything in black and white are the front line in the war against intelligent debate. Hitler was the leader of a nation who like any other leader had strengths and weaknesses, I know some may need a kindergarten view of the world but the complexity of reality inevitably confounds these simpletons.
Also, the millions of witnesses that are mentioned, what witnesses are we talking about? The millions of Jews that miraculously survived the ‘death’ camps? Whose families are now on the dole for generations untold? Does anyone think there is any incentive to claiming survival of a Nazi death camp? What existed was POW camps, and camps for what were considered subversives (and yes many Jews fell into this category), there was no extermination plan, there never was, and like any war some camps were better or worse than others, conditions in these camps deteriorated terribly near the end of the war as supplies dwindled.
What most do not know is that the Germans executed 6 or 7 commanding officers for their criminal behaviour while the head of these camps, and this was while Germany was engaged in war. How many Allied commanding officers faced the same sentence for their deliberate abuse and murder of German POW’s?
The whole “Germans tried to exterminate the Jews” story is a canard, from 1933 to 1941 the Germans working in agreement with the Zionists were transferring Jews to Palestine, even allowing the Jews to use their wealth to purchase German goods which they could than sell in Palestine to regain their economic standing. The ‘six million dead’ lie was floated after WWI as well by the Zionists, but the lie was too easily refuted at that time, so it was put on ice.
So T2015s grandfather fought the ‘Nazi’s’, and my grandfather’s family was slaughtered by the Bolsheviks in Russia, whose Red Army earlier overwhelmed the White Army due to financing from the Jews on Wall Street, and created a 40 year reign of terror. I would have much rather had seen Russia ruled by Russians (White Army) rather than a legion of radical Bolshevik Jews who tried their best to destroy the Russian culture. I sincerely believe that if the White Army had been triumphant there never would have been a war between Germany and Russia, it never would have happened.
The end game has always been to keep Russia from joining in brotherhood with Germany, that is the biggest fear of the Zionists, and tools like T2015, and the constant Nazi this and Nazi that only creates an aura of separation that allows this divide to remain. The Germans have been vilified enough, they have been bombarded for 70 years with a constant and unending guilt complex (and no I am not German), enough is enough already.
The quote below pretty much sums up the complete spiritual defeat of the German people:
“We won this war with atrocity propaganda…and now we will start more than ever! We will continue this atrocity propaganda, we will increase it until nobody will accept one good word from the Germans anymore, until everything is destroyed which might have upheld them sympathies in other countries, and until they will be so confused that they dont know what to do anymore. When this is reached, when they begin to pollute their own nest, and this not reluctantly but with hasty willingness to obey the winners, only then the victory is complete. It will never be definite. The reeducation demands thorough, steadfast nurture like and English lawn. Only one moment of inattention and the weed will break through, this ineradicable weed of historic truth.”
– Sefton Delmer, former British chief propagandist after the capitulation in 1945 to the German expert on international law Prof. Grimm.
@Angelo
what a stupid denial story. Not a single source, plenty of whitewash and excuses.
What existed was POW camps, and camps for what were considered subversives
I grew up knowing at least 8 women who had the tattooed numbers on their arms from having been in camps – not POWs any of them. I knew an 11 year old boy – not a subversive. People at the time knew the camps were for extermination. No details of how, but they knew the Jews taken away would be killed. That is why some people risked their lives setting up escape networks, forging documents, “adopting” children to get them to safety. My mother was one of those people. She knew in 1941 it was no holiday camp they’re being sent to. It was not British propaganda, it was REAL.
From 1933 to 1941 wealthy Jews were allowed to sell their goods and hand over most of it as bribes or “fees: to be allowed to leave Germany. Then needed to deposit 1000 POUNDS to go to Palestine – a fortune in those days. Obviously the less well off did not have this choice. That was several million people.
Every camp still active at the end was liberated, every one had skeletons still alive in them, who all told what had happened. Different things at different camps. They were not going to tell made up stories about gas chambers when the liberators would have immediately noticed there aren’t any. There were. People living near crematoria knew about those, too. The Germans demolished some, too, and moved prisoners out, when they knew they’d have to retreat. There are aerial photos of some such installations, missing a few months later when the Red Army got there.
The 6 million figure grew to that over the years, from about 3 million, which was originally based on estimates of missing populations. Perhaps there was some double counting, too.
But if something did not happen to 6 million people, if it “only” happened to 3 million, or 2.8 million, it STILL HAPPENED and you can’t say it did not. Many millions were taken because of who they were (Jews or Roma or disabled or homosexual or alleged to be one of these) and KILLED. From Germany, Austria, Hungary and Czechoslovakia, mostly put into camps, there gassed or shot, or starved and worked to death, with a bit of disease and torture thrown in.
Further east they were more likely just slaughtered on the spot or during enforced marches — hacked to pieces by local helpers like Stepan Bandera, or methodically shot, after having to dig the trench that was to be their graves. Gassing and crematoria were introduced to speed up the “processing” (one man could only shoot about 450 a day) and reduce the problem of what to do with so many bodies (ashes take less space).
So, your family thought the Germans were better than the Bolsheviks. Does that mean they were angels? had not done anything bad to other people? Isn’t that like saying X cannot have murdered his wife because he once saved a drowning child?
The Germans have been vilified enough, they have been bombarded for 70 years with a constant and unending guilt complex (and no I am not German), enough is enough already.. WRONG. Nobody is blaming today’s German people at all. Everyone knows this happened 70+ years ago. Everyone knows many people did not know of it at the time, and many who knew or suspected were themselves too terrorised to do anything about it. Meanwhile many who were not German did know about it, and took part in it voluntarily, including personally butchering people; again Bandera and others like him come to mind.
The Holocaust was not caused by the German people.l It was caused by the Nazi system – a fascist ideology that one people is the best, others are subhuman and therefore should be exterminated, and everyone else should shut up or get beaten up or disappeared. If you deny the Holocaust happened, make excuses for why it didn’t “really” happen, then all you do is blind yourself to how it started. So you can’t see it when it is starting up again. And can’t stop it before it gets to the stage where just whispering against it can get you shot in the street (and even the police are too scared of the death squads to even investigate).
You are out of it. You’re not living there anymore. Aren’t you lucky. The people living there, where all this DID happen, are seeing it starting again. Different target “subhumans” this time. But the same system,. same ideology, same methods. It is not the pretty flags with the nice zig-zag emblems they are worried about. It is the DEATH SQUADS that have been given a free hand by the government they worry about…. squads which in some places are the official police. They can do what they like, and the people have no one to turn to for protection or justice.
75 years ago communication was slow, you just had a newspaper and a radio station. Today there’s internet, live-streaming video from the battle field. So no excuse for only seeing the “official” version of events.
So tell me, Angelo, after you said this:
The whole “Germans tried to exterminate the Jews” story is a canard,
what’s your opinion about Ukraine today? is the Government trying to exterminate the people of Donbass? or is that a canard, too? do you have excuses ready to roll off your tongue for the government here, too?
@ Kat Kan
So you know of 8 people with tattoos that were in the camps, what I find quite interesting is that any of them were alive at all considering the great killing machine which was the German Reich.
Of course there were escape routes being set up, most Jews were no longer welcome in Germany under the National Socialists, they were stripped of their positions, and were considered as a rule subversives simply for their role in the liberal demise of the German culture, I’m not saying I agree with it, but that was the situation at the time. The Jews had no future in Germany under the National Socialists, they had no choice but to leave, and how many wanted to be interred in camps? To equate this need to flee with mass executions has no basis in fact. The plan was mass deportation.
You think wealthy Jews wanted to go to Palestine? That’s a good one, Palestine was not exactly a paradise for the emigres of the time. Wealthy Jews fled to America, Switzerland, not Palestine, unless of course they were the radical type with a penchant for war with the ‘primitive natives’ of the area which they have terrorized mercilessly to this day.
Yes, there were many deaths caused by malnutrition and disease in the camps at the end of the war, supplies to the camps had been largely cut off, the rail lines had mostly been destroyed, this in no way suggests mass extermination. If you still believe in the gas chambers hoax than you obviously have not researched the topic AT ALL. Gassing is one of the least efficient means of large scale execution – there were no gas chambers, none. There were delousing showers, and small crematoriums 10-12 ovens at most for processing the dead, nowhere near the facilities needed to cremate millions of bodies.
As I said, some of the worst offenders for ‘racial purity’ were those in eastern Europe, it seems to be some type of virus of the eastern European culture to want to exterminate your neighbor, and western Ukraine seemed as bad as any, these blood thirsty goblins simply used the situation of WWII to carry our their own retributions, it in fact had little to do with National Socialism or Germany, these were independent actors carrying out their own agenda using the war as a cloak.
My Russian ‘family’, which consists of my grandfather, was the sole survivor of his family (2 brothers killed, a sister missing, 4 cousins killed, parents missing) chose to flee Russia, he escaped a concentration camp with a friend he made in the camps and managed after 8 months to make it to Germany where he worked as a crane operator before emigrating to Canada where he worked on locomotives for CN Rail. He hated Stalin, he hated what had become of Russia, I remember being a small boy and thinking “sheesh, what a racist guy!”, because he would often state that the Jews were filth, he said they destroyed his country. It wasn’t until decades later that I finally understood what the hell he was talking about.
How is it that a renowned award winning author like Alexander Solzhenitsyn can’t get his last book into publication in the west? Answer me that question Kat Kan. It seems to me that you’ve got a head full of propaganda, and I think its layered so thick you’ll never be free from it.
If the German people are not still being held to account for what happened 70 years ago why are they still paying reparations? Why are they forced to attend holocaust memorials and museums in grade school every year. Is it so they won’t do it again? Why would they do it again? Is it to make sure it happens ‘never again’ as they like to say? The German youth of today are constantly reminded of what their ancestors did, it’s a cultural phenomena in fact to make them remember at all times. This type of treatment of an event (real or not) is unprecedented in history, are there any other human tragic events that are treated in the same manner?
I am not a National Socialist sympathizer, I don’t have to be to recognize that the black and white story we’ve been sold since grade school is an elaborate propaganda campaign that is multifaceted in its long term aims.
The situation in the eastern Ukraine I elaborated on in a comment above, the racial radicals in the Ukraine are goblins of the west, the same west whose propaganda you have swallowed wholesale. The irony of your outlook Kat Kan is therefor a sight to behold.
Get real, Angelo, about 6000 were found alive just in Auschwitz alone, you KNOW some survived; they were kept to work in many camps.
The point I’m making is I personally knew people who were there. My parents helped others keep out of there. Everyone KNEW what was happening, at the time. It is not a later western media invention.
So, you grew up in Canada. No big disaster happened there. In Europe there were wars, losses, destructions, everywhere. And they DO hold memorial services for them every year, even many decades later. Even for disasters where miners died. Other countries hold memorials for earthquakes, floods, forest fires. You are living in a place that is safe and has no history like this. Oh yes, Canada, Halifax, a munitions ship blew up in harbour in 1917, destroying half the town and killing (they think) 1950 people, not all bodies were found. YES they have several memorials and an annual remembrance service that thousands attend.
Today’s Ukrainian “goblins” you call them, are direct descendants (literally, sons and grandsons) of wartime Ukrainian nationalists. They and their activities are very well documented in contemporary documents. A lot of it has been written up by themselves, they are proud of it, so it’s not a western media invention.
So then, tell me, what were these terrors the Bolsheviks did? and what years are you talking about? and please also tell me where your knowledge/evidence is from, apart from western media/textbooks? (and you discount what I know from my mother, so what you got from your grandfather doesn’t count either, ok?).
There is a Holocaust remembrance day (and a memorial) in many other countries too, not just Germany.
@ Kat Kan
Auschwitz was a work camp, the prisoners were made to work in the armament factories, no gas chambers at Auschwitz at all, just delousing rooms (lice was rampant in the camps). Workers cannot work if they are being systematically killed off, or starved to death. This was not an extermination camp. As I said in previous comments, there were certain commanding officers that were put to death for mistreating prisoners, the goal was production, not mass extermination, and of course many prisoners died by the end of the war, the camps had no supplies any more, the infrastructure was gone.
Were there atrocities that occurred at the hands of the Reich? Of course! But they were in no way reflective of human extermination programs, this is mythology, mythology that most people simply regurgitate without ever doing ONE shred of investigation, and watching Schindler’s List, or one of the other hundred plus ‘Holocaust’ films, does not amount to investigation.
Despite this holocaust narrative being a fiction, especially in terms of the numbers of dead popularly reported the atrocities committed by the Reich through their allied partners on the eastern front particularly were often times horrendous and quite vile, many of their camps in the east were indeed documented to engage in the use of human guinea pigs in trials with various chemicals, and radioactive substances which they inflicted on not just adults but in many cases children as young as six years of age. In some camps mass graves have been found with the bodies of over 10,000 women and children. Some people tried to excuse these horrific events as retaliation for the firebombing of German civilians.
Meanwhile the same things were occurring in allied countries, notably Canada where aboriginal children were used in the same way, as guinea pigs for chemical experimentation, so there really is no delineation as to who was good and who was not, the whole war was a grotesque feature of human traits at their worst. Despite the arguments and counter arguments that the Germans treated prisoners better (some did, others did not), or whether the allies treated their prisoners better (most did not), the end result was human suffering on a scale that the world had likely never seen.
What constitutes an annual memorial service is nothing compared to the religion which has been built up around the Jewish holocaust, to suggest this is simply an absurdity, the holocaust has become an industry in and of itself, it has surely proven to be the golden calf that Moses warned against.
That I live in Canada has no bearing whatsoever with anything, as if the geography of my residence precludes my experience of hardship, which in some backhand way you are attempting to infer (and of course you will deny). Your circular reasoning is not persuasive in the least, you can state over and over the same things but the facts remain as a citadel, and time is slowly revealing the truth.
I’ve already discussed the Ukrainian nationalists, I’m not sure what point you are attempting to make by repeating it to me, yes I know what is happening in the Ukraine, and it makes me sick.
As far as the Jewish Bolshevik atrocities, I’ll let you do the research yourself, I’m not interested in trying to educate you on the matter.
Angelo
I am not looking for Bolshevik atrocities. I am trying to find out what actions you referred to as 40 years of terror that your grandfather escaped from (and why after 40 years?). I’d like to see you laying out a description of what you consider terror, after your several lengthy statements about what you do not consider planned extermination. Meanwhile you could look at some of the plans Goebbels wrote for getting rid of Jews. I’ll give you a link to an article by fellow denier David Irving http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n1p-2_Irving.html . The first half is big-noting himself for finding some diaries. Read starting from the sub-heading “Boycotts.”
@ Kat Kan
I am currently reading with interest those revelations from Dr. Göbbels’ diary that you linked below (at 11:26 UTC).
In the meantime, you might wish to view the entire Ursula Haverbeck March 2015 TV interview on the topic, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM , a mere 49 minutes with good English subtitles. Perhaps you could provide us with your informed view on its details.
“Incidentally”, as of Friday 3 June 2015, because of this interview, the brave 86 year old Mrs. Haverbeck is facing five years in prison – merely for providing her perspective on the so-called “holocaust”, while not inciting any hatred, but protesting the abominable German laws that prohibit anyone to express any doubt about the officially accepted narrative on the alleged event!
“Ursula Haverbeck is now facing criminal hate speech charges after debating how many Jews died in the Holocaust on national television. The debate was aired on German public television and broadcast all over Europe. It was the first time anyone has been allowed to question the official holocaust death toll on German television.
Police stormed and ransacked her home along with the homes of three of her supporters. Prosecutors are preparing the charges. She will face five years in prison if convicted.”
http://carolynyeager.net/ursula-haverbeck-criminally-charged
http://www.mt.de/lokales/regionales/20476803_Hausdurchsuchung-bei-Holocaust-Leugnerin-Ursula-Haverbeck-in-Vlotho.html
(etc.)
Karl
they are turning fascist again. A lot of governments are turning fascist again. Tightening up wwhat you can say and where. Squeezing public assembly. More power to the police, nobody to complain to, except them,. if they abuse it, even to the point of death. More extra-judicial killings, more “authorities” with powers to bully you.
A no-deny law sort of made sense in the first few years, to avoid violent protests by the people who had done it. The Nazis. But not really necessary, as most of them got rescued. The scientists all went to the USA, the spies and enforcers to USA and Canada and UK; the lower SS all over South America. Nice safe well-off countries, where their children were brought up with the same attitudes, and worked their way into today’s governments. And worse, into today’s UNIVERSITIES where they are the “experts” on what happened in the war, defining it for everyone wit their bias. . While the ordinary people, the harmless ones, didn’t have a roof over their heads for 2 years, and further millions of them perished from hunger and disease; the Marshall Plan was for building industry, not housing.
People are starting to wake up. It is a huge step when a TV station even considers such a program., I hope they keep pushing the story and get enough public interest/protests to make sure she gets a fair trial. A free good lawyer would help too.
You obviously have zero idea about Germans or Germany in general. Feel free to ask, I live there.
Germany pays exactly zero reparations today. They did have to pay those from the WW1, which was completed a couple of years ago. There are no payments whatsoever today, all those have ended with german unification and the 2+4 treaty.
My german (ex-)stepfather still keeps the insignia and the military ID from his father along with some Hitler pictures etc. from back then. He is still proud of his uncle, who actually took part in the mass-murder in Yugoslavia in Kragujevac – he even visited the site there in order to see what his uncle was involved in back then (5000 children massacred as a retaliation for 50 dead Nazis). And there are still many Germans ticking like that, while the rest would be very easy to move that way.
To put it short, you are full of it and talking pure nonsense. Eff off.
Sorry dude but the only thing I can tell you is that you simply live in some la-la fantasy land. Go and read at least some basic history books if nothing else. Talk to veterans. Go visit some relevant places.
Praising Hitler as some kind of savior is utterly disgusting and outright crazy. I won’t even bother refuting all the crazy nonsense above, trolls like you are simply not worth the effort.
One advice: go spread your stupid nazi propaganda elsewhere. Here you’re just making a fool of yourself. There are way too many people here from the countries where nazis practiced mass-murder back then and who know it from their parents or grandparents and loads of REAL, PHYSICAL proof. Or people like me, who had to fight the grandchildren of those nazis and got their countries raped and destroyed in the process.
@T2015
I know plenty about Germany, a country whose been under allied occupation since WWII, a castrated nation who cannot even think for itself anymore. You say reparations are done? Yeah good one, last payment made in 2010 right? This is a business, a kosher business and it won’t end. Germany is paying more reparations to the tune of 1 billion dollars to Israeli based groups between 2014 and 2017 as agreed in 2012-2013. Once that installment is done another negotiation will take place a couple years later for more survivor groups that fell through the ‘cracks’. Now Greece wants reparations as well. Who else next? Italy when they suffer another financial crisis?
The real physical proof is what I am discussing, not some fiction that was created as a narrative for a century of payouts and worldwide sympathy for one bloody tribe. Today supremacists in eastern Europe are no different than soccer hooligans, they simply latch onto an idea, as its been presented to them and they run with it, to support their ideologies of hate, and many of them receive support from your allied friends in America.
Germany tows the line today on Russia.
That is not “proof” let aone anything physical, that’s just thoughtless cut-and-paste from some nazi revisionist blogs which don’t even mention any real sources.
Germany is an occupied country, that is the only true thing you wrote. Same as most of the countries in the american sphere of influence, which renders that irrelevant. Show me one truly independent, non-occupied country besides maybe Russia to a certain extent – there simply are none left! They got bombed away like Lybia or Yugoslavia. China is a US-owned colony, Iran is MI6 playing the bad cop ever since the coup they funnily call a “revolution”.
Reparations for WWONE are paid off, read more carefully. As for the WW2, I don’t even know of any. Also Helmut Kohl’s former advisor recently said in the interview that the german government rejected making a new constitution after the unification, because that would make them eligible to pay reparations, like those that Greece wants. That is a purely german creation. Germans are not stupid and despite being occupied they try to keep their house and their assets as safe as possible.
Italy was by the way the creator of fascism and if anything, they should pay reparations to their victims in Yugoslavia. I hope that was sarcasm and not ignorance above.
As for extortion, of course americans do that, but in a very subtle way – huge price subsidies for german products sold overseas (which mostly cost half as much in the USA including logistics and import duties etc., cars are a good example) and of course hosting all those military bases and 70k+ soldiers, paid by the german taxpayer.
@ T2015
I haven’t cut and pasted anything other than quotes which are in quotation marks. As regards the reparations maybe instead of calling them WWII reparations I should just call them Holocaust reparations, which totals roughly 95 billion that Germany has paid since 1952. Another agreement has a new round of payments until 2017, all of this is accessible online if you care to look. Germany will be paying Israel for a long time to come, mark my words, its a business, and you’re paying for it.
I already stated that the atrocities in eastern Europe were terrible, and I never suggested there was a shortage of atrocities on BOTH sides. The Bolsheviks were as bad or worse than anyone on the eastern front, I do not discount the millions of dead on all sides, the racial hatred in the Balkans in particular was not specifically a feature of National Socialism, the war was used as a cloak and excuse to commit crimes of retribution for all sorts of historical grudges. The turmoil in the Balkans predates Hitler, and continued on afterwards. To isolate the cause of these historical disputes as ‘Nazism’ is sophomoric and simplistic, something the west promotes.
The issue at hand is the Shoah, the so called privileged status of the Jewish holocaust as the only event worth remembering, where in the United States in particular WWII equates to – Pearl Harbor, Americans won the war, and the Holocaust. The problem is the Germans were no worse than the Allies during the war, it was in fact the Allies that rebuffed Hitlers repeated attempts at peace, in fact had Britain not declared war after the incursion into Poland (Hitlers Ukraine) than I don’t believe there would have been a war at all, but Germany’s attempt to remove the Jews from power made the war inevitable, since Britain has for centuries been a Zionist stronghold.
The physical proof of gas chamber is non-existent, you only show your utter ignorance of the topic to suggest they do. Have you honestly done any research into it? Honestly now, real research, not just what you’ve been told, or heard on TV?
People seem to like to move the goal posts when it suits their needs, I am talking about a lie, namely that the German Reich planned the mass extermination of the Jews, which they carried out, ‘successfully’ liquidating 6 million. This never happened. You than make reference to all the other ethnicities that died in large numbers! As if I ever contended that there were no massacres, or pogroms, or deaths, perhaps you just can’t read properly?
And please if you might provide some insight into your claim that Iran is an MI6 state, I’d love some background.
You really should research history better.It seems your hatred of Jewish Communists (non-Zionist BTW) blinds you to anything that might cast Jews in a human cast.Here is the Jewish population of pre-war Europe:
” In 1933, approximately 9.5 million Jews lived in Europe, comprising 1.7% of the total European population. This number represented more than 60 percent of the world’s Jewish population at that time, estimated at 15.3 million.
The majority of Jews in prewar Europe resided in eastern Europe. The largest Jewish communities in this area were in Poland, with about 3,000,000 Jews (9.5%); the European part of the Soviet Union, with 2,525,000 (3.4%); and Romania, with 756,000 (4.2%). The Jewish population in the three Baltic states totaled 255,000: 95,600 in Latvia, 155,000 in Lithuania, and 4,560 in Estonia. Here, Jews comprised 4.9%, 7.6%, and 0.4% of each country’s population, respectively, and 5% of the region’s total population.
In prewar central Europe, the largest Jewish community was in Germany, with about 525,000 members (0.75% of the total German population). This was followed by Hungary with 445,000 (5.1%), Czechoslovakia with 357,000 (2.4%), and Austria with 191,000, most of whom resided in the capital city of Vienna (2.8%).
In western Europe the largest Jewish communities were in Great Britain, with 300,000 Jews (0.65%); France, with 250,000 (0.6%); and the Netherlands, with 156,000 (1.8%). Additionally, 60,000 Jews (0.7%) lived in Belgium, 4,000 (0.02%) in Spain, and 1,200 (0.02%) in Portugal. Close to 16,000 Jews lived in Scandinavia, including 6,700 (0.11%) in Sweden, 5,700 (0.15%) in Denmark, 1,800 (0.05%) in Finland, and 1,400 (0.05%) in Norway. In southern Europe, Greece had the largest Jewish population, with about 73,000 Jews (1.2%).
There were also significant Jewish communities in Yugoslavia (68,000, or 0.49%), Italy (48,000, or 0.11%), and Bulgaria (48,500, or 0.8%). 200 Jews (0.02%) lived in Albania.”
And here is post-war:
“According to the American Jewish Yearbook, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million. In 1933, 60 percent of all Jews lived in Europe. In 1950, most Jews (51 percent) lived in the Americas (North and South combined), while only a third of the world’s Jewish population lived in Europe.
The Jewish communities of eastern Europe were devastated. In 1933, Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe, numbering over three million. By 1950, the Jewish population of Poland was reduced to about 45,000. The Soviet Union had the largest remaining Jewish population, with some two million Jews. Romania’s Jewish population was nearly 757,000 in 1930 and fell to approximately 280,000 (1950). Most of these demographic losses were due to the Holocaust, the rest to postwar emigration from Europe.
The Jewish population of central Europe was also devastated. Germany had a Jewish population of 565,000 in 1933 and just 37,000 in 1950. Hungary had 445,000 in 1933 and 190,000 in 1950. Czechoslovakia’s Jewish population was reduced from about 357,000 in 1933 to 17,000 in 1950 and Austria’s from about 250,000 to just 18,000.
In western Europe, the largest Jewish communities remained in Great Britain, with approximately 450,000 Jews (300,000 in 1933) and France, with 235,000 (225,000 in 1933). In southern Europe, the Jewish population fell dramatically: in Greece from about 100,000 in 1933 to just 7,000 in 1950; in Yugoslavia from about 70,000 to 3,500; in Italy from about 48,000 to 35,000; and in Bulgaria from 50,000 in 1933 to just 6,500 in 1950 (the reduction in the Bulgarian Jewish population resulted from postwar emigration). The demographic focus of European Jewry thus shifted from eastern to western Europe.”
You are right on one point though.The 6 million figure is not right.Most historians think that a low of 3,900,000 to a high of 4,900,000 is the correct figure.The difference in totals is made up by the confusion in numbers that escaped during the war.As well as those fleeing right after the war.Jewish Zionist groups started rounding the figures up to gain more support for establishing an Israel.So we now have had 70 years of the “6 million” being embedded in popular parlance.My own guess is 4.5 is probably a close figure for the deaths.But really that doesn’t even matter.Just as with Novorossians,or Palestinians,1 murdered person is too many,of whatever ethnicity or religion.
It is beyond my understanding why people that support nazism/fascism show up here.Surely they know that the Russians (including Novorossians) who suffered so horribly from Hitler won’t agree with them.Even if they are anti-Jewish as well, masquerading as anti-zionists. I can,as a student of History,see the appeal to many of the nazi/fascist ideology on a traumatized post-WW1 Europe.Many saw some of the nazi/fascist early achievements as “positive”.But the “negatives” that went with it (war,racism,human rights abuses,mass murders) far out-weighted any “positives” that some saw in it.And as we see in today’s Ukraine,they still do.
Did you calculate the number of jews in the world? Were 3 million of them missing? They did create a brand new country after all.. If you look at the world map you can clearly see the lack of Christians in a wide area that are missing when the golden hordes roamed the place. You can also see that no new Christian countries were created or dense Christian populations coming up in new areas. The Christian populations even of areas not invaded are still rather small and non existant in those areas under their control.
I know they built a gas chamber and show it to visitors.. You are not allowed to ask questions. I don’t really care about history books.. If you know US history, you know its all lies. Why should any others be different?
T2015,
In recent weeks and months alone, tons of new material on WWII has been published on the internet, drawing a more realistic picture, with more depth, richer colors and broader scope… Incredible interesting stuff!
The kinder-garden version of the Nazi’s crimes against the Jews is just that – kinder-garden stuff. Every historian knows it is a joke. The re-evaluation of the history of WWII is absolutely essential for the understanding of our current world.
The fascist US-Reich, for example, was born in the last months of WWII. The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the firebombing of Dresden and many other German cities were its founding act! Total global hegemony, its goal!
If you look back at the last 70 years with this mind, light after light pops up in your head and everything starts making sense. And simultaneously you realize: Hitler’s Reich was an abomination, but nothing compared to the real monster, the US-Reich.
I could care less about Jews specifically, also I’m not talking only about german nazis.
Let’s talk about those many millions of NON-JEWS who got massacred in nazi camps, be it in Croatia or say Poland, Lithuania or whatever. Just in my country over a million were exterminated in camps and that was some 50km from where I was born. You can be sure that I know quite a few survivors personally, I also visited those places and I know the consequences first-hand. There were and still are many witnesses from both the surviver side as well as the nazi side.
Can’t beat that with some funny books written many decades later by some unrelated foreigners. That’s useless junk.
Firstly it is illegal to question the number of dead from the Holocaust in Switzerland as well as in 14 other European countries.
What does this mean?
The six million dead in the Holocaust was an estimate. Individual names adding up to the figure do not exist. This means there was some form of actuarial estimation being done.
Reparation payments were made based on these estimates.
Germany paid in excess of 68 billion in reparations to the Jewish victims of the nazi era. It represents about one weeks foreign holiday spending in a year for the German population.
That the victims of the nazis were numerous, that they suffered, were tortured and many died is irrefutable. There is no question of Germany asking for a refund if the estimates were “wrong”.
Ingeborg Hecht, wrote an autobiography, “Als unsichtbare Mauern wuchsen”, ISBN 978-3-926174-57-4, describing her experiences in Nazi Germany, where she referred to various German legislation that destroyed the Jewish community, step by step. Some facts are indisputable. Nazi Germany was a criminal government.
There is still a need to maintain a certain discourse around the drama of the Jewish people. What is actually the truth is not of interest to the elites. Certain messages are still promoted. Most people are ignorant of the contradictions. The laws impose silence to discuss the contradictions.
An actuary or committee of actuaries choose a value based on statistical estimates. This gives us a Gaussian distribution, a bell curve. If done properly, the median value, will be the most likely value, with the least error.
Errors are both positive and negative. From the two opposing ideology sides we should expect what as an outcome?
There should be groups or individuals promoting a higher value in about equal number as for those promoting a lower value.
Is this what you see?
@ Geneva Observer
A scientific approach would be the most we could ask for, just a proper accounting of all things that took place during WWII, including the sufferings of those that fall outside the Holocaust narrative. I don’t believe historical research should be banned, or made illegal, the stifling of research is a serious impediment to human social evolution.
Stalin’s Red Armies committed several mass executions of those fleeing refugees from eastern Europe that were sent back by the Allies in a treacherous deception, yet there is no mention of these episodes in the one sided telling of history. Also of the willful bombing by the Allies of non military targets. In this vein I asked myself a question, “Did the Americans ever pay reparations for their unnecessary atomic bombing of Hiroshimi and Nagasaki?” I found this rather astute answer on Yahoo Answers:
“War reparations are never paid by the winners. This has rarely if ever occurred in the history of the human race. Reparations are part of the spoils of war paid by the losers. See source below.
In a similar manner the winners are rarely if ever tried for war crimes, and if tried are rarely convicted or penalized. Only the losers stand trial and execution for war crimes. Victor’s justice is as constant as war itself.
Most Americans believe the slaughter of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki can be justified by forcing the surrender of the Japanese government, thus saving lives that would have been lost in the invasion. By this logic, the Boston Massacre could have been justified by the British if it had resulted in the surrender of the American colonies to British rule, thus saving the lives of thousands of British soldiers. Or the slaughter of civilians in My Lai by the US Army during the Vietnam War could have been justified if it had resulted in the surrender of North Vietnam, again saving thousands of lives on both sides. The burning of Atlanta and Sherman’s March during the American Civil War is a great example of using violence against civilians and their property to shorten a war, although many Americans, particularly Southerners, have deep resentment against these acts. There are as many other potential examples as there are wars. For example, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany used the same argument to advocate the slaughter of French civilians in WW1. He never got the opportunity to carry out his policy, but the logic is precisely the same as Hiroshima. If he did it and succeeded he would have been considered a victorious hero; if he did it and failed he would have been executed as a war criminal. Might makes right.
There are two logical outcomes stemming from the dropping of the atomic bombs on civilians. Either it is an accepted war tactic that can be used by all, or it is a special case where only America is privileged to do it.
History will provide the ultimate verdict in a few hundred years. The Romans thought they were right to slaugther the civilians of Carthage during the Third Punic War, the British thought they were right to colonize and exploit weaker nations, the Americans thought they were right to enslave Africans. All of these views were overtuned by history long after they occurred.” – LA Triguy
Angelo,
“Putin is a smart man, however I find it disconcerting that he promotes the hoax which is six million dead.”
So you would like him to have to cope with all the stuff David Irving and
Zundel and many others have had to put up with?
He doesn’t need any more problems at the moment.
There are many many politicians, celebs etc who ‘toe the line’
because they’ve seen the ‘aggro’ others have undergone.
One round at a time in the boxing match eh?
No, just don’t mention it at all, better left unsaid, why promote the myth unless he still shares the delusion, perhaps he is pandering to the hidden powers for some semblance of acceptance, which he appears to still be seeking.
“Can Putin be so stupid? Is he and Russia so embedded into the western financial scheme that he cannot but play the fool?”
Cassious Clay had a stragedy called ‘rope a dope’.
Seemed to work too,
Perhaps oldnik007, I’m still of the opinion that he seeks acceptance, perhaps he doesn’t fully recognize the depth of the Talmudic hate directed toward the Christian world.
The alternative however is almost a repeat of WWII, Putin invades Ukraine (Hitler invades Poland) and the world blows the conflict into an international incident of the highest importance – as if the Ukraine, or Poland back in the 40’s mattered at all. There is an obvious attempt to create a world conflict. I concede Putin is doing well to keep that reality from manifesting. Germany did not expect a World War for their move into Poland, they simply wanted to free the German people in the former (pre-Versailles) city of Danzig from Polish radicals who were executing the German population. The resemblance to what is now occurring in the DPR and LPR is fairly astounding. The propaganda is similar, the issue of eastern Ukraine being formerly Russian just like Danzig being formerly German, the racial radicals killing civilians, all of it is a mirror image.
I do thus understand the very fine line Putin walks, but to me he seems to pander for acceptance to those who will NEVER accept him, as if he holds some hope that the Zionists will see the light. The other big question is his constant, and I mean constant, reference to the war on terror and his assumption of the US being some sort of ally, this one escapes me entirely.
I’m willing to bet that you deny being an animal, since you attempt to refute everything else. Ah….., of course, you’re a robot!!
Interesting comments. I do not think that Putin is so naive thinking that he may ever be accepted by the “Elite” as an equal ally. I think he is aware that this will never happen. They (the “elite”) wants him only if he surrenders himself and Russias enormous resources to be plunder. Last example was the penalty imposed to Russia to pay 50 billion dollar (not sure if correct amount) to Chodorkovsy by the tribunal in Holland. My guess is Putin behaves quite diplomatic in order to buy time because he is aware that Russia is “the target” right now. I would not be surprised of murder attempts against him from now on anything can happen.
Angelo, you sound like Yats when he asserted that USSR invaded Germany and Ukraine in WW2.
“Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has amazed the world with his knowledge of history: in his interview with the German TV channel ARD, the politician said that “all of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion into Ukraine and Germany,” referring to the Second World War.”
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html#ixzz3cS6wcUBK
What a sad shame you got yourself in over here, up from ‘zionazing’ thing all the way to Holocaust denial. That was established by enough timely artifacts and archive documents. Liberating Soviet troops, who saw it, had even higher estimate than the one currently accepted. Only the 5 crematoriums at Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn 4500-4800 per day to the tune of 2.8 mln total; accepted figure is 1.1 mln –just in that camp.
Know one survivor myself. Another one, a relative.
@ Kat Kan
Thank you for the link, I read it all the way through, many interesting historical insights to be sure. That being said, there is no reference to an extermination program on the part of the Germans, deportation yes, sometimes callously so, but no planned extermination. That being said, and this historian basically reinforces my research, most the the massacres of Jews happened in eastern Europe by rabidly anti-Jewish local populations. Here is a quote from the link you provided:
“Here I want to mention something that I’m always very adamant about. Although we revisionists say that gas chambers didn’t exist, and that the “factories of death” didn’t exist, there is no doubt in my mind that on the Eastern front large numbers of Jews were massacred, by criminals with guns – SS men, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, whatever – to get rid of them. They were made to line up next to pits or ditches, and then shot. The eyewitness accounts I’ve seen of this are genuine and reliable.”
And another quote,
“During a visit to the Eastern front in November 1941, Goebbels toured the German-occupied Baltic states – Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. On this occasion as well, he viewed the ghettos. In Lithuania he spent a whole afternoon touring the Jewish ghetto in Kaunas (Kovno), and wrote disapproving passages in his diary about what he found there. As he records, Goebbels was also told that the Jews in the Baltic states had been massacred on a colossal scale, not by the Germans but by the Lithuanians and Latvians themselves, even as the German troops arrived, in revenge for what the Jews had done to them during the year of Bolshevik terror following the Soviet Russian takeover in June 1940.”
So lets be clear here, many Jews were killed in callous fashion, I do not dispute this at all, several hundred thousand Jews perished in the Baltic states, but this is no way suggests a systematic system of extermination set forth by the National Socialists. Hitlers goal all the way into 1943 (when it became no longer feasible) was to deport the Jews to Madagascar of all places.
And another curious insight into Hitlers opposition to the infamous anti-Jewish riots of ‘Crystal Night” on November 7, 1938. A view shared by Hitlers personal assistant at the time where he cries out, “What have they done!”.
“Goebbels had to issue this second order calling off the Aktionen because, as we now know (a member of Hitler’s private staff confirmed it to me), Hitler was furious when he heard, during the night, about the anti-Jewish outbreaks. Throughout the night, telephone calls came in reporting synagogues blazing across Germany. Hitler sent for Himmler and asked: “What the hell is going on here, Reichsführer?” Himmler replied: “Send for Goebbels, he knows.” Hitler summoned Goebbels and raked him over the coals. The following morning Goebbels wrote in his diary: “I went to see the Führer at 11 o’clock, and we discussed what to do next.” You can just imagine what kind of conversation took place between Hitler and Goebbels. Of course, Goebbels isn’t going to write in his diary “the Führer called me a bloody idiot for having started what I did last night” – that’s not the kind of diary he kept. Instead, he wrote a one-line entry to remind himself that he did have to go to see the Führer. What he did next was to issue the November 10 order calling for an immediate stop to all the anti-Jewish Aktionen.”
Angelo
large numbers of Jews were massacred, by criminals with guns – SS men, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, whatever –
Some of these incidents there are photos of, and/or mass graves were later found. The Ukrainians were very well documented — grandfathers of today’s Galician “Right Sector” death squads. Both spiritually and literally, and I think one Deputy in the Rada. is grandson of a well-known one, if I remember his boasting right. Their talk of “subhumans” and their methods are identical.
It’s a mistake to think the Nazis were against Jews specifically. They were after ridding themselves of everyone “subhuman” everyone not “them”, pure Aryan and superior. This is why Roma, gays and disabled were taken as well. Jews were a convenient target, as they were a visible minority group available in large numbers in all European countries Germany expanded into. So far in Ukraine they’ve stopped at “Russians” and there are a lot of those. Their oligarchs pay well so it doesn’t matter that they are Jews; in fact being rich and paying well they are honorary “one of us” same as Goebbels regarded some Jews who’d been useful to him in his earlier life.
Anyway those wartime butchers begat the ones marauding today, and that is what the Russians are fighting, and won’t feel safe until they are somehow gone. Very certainly this time, in this place, you can’t say there is no planned extermination — they’ve announced it often enough in plain words on national television (President, Prime Minister, Security minister, various others).
Incidentally for “genocide” it’s not necessary to kill every single person. It is enough to drive them out, burn them out, starve them out, and they are doing all of these, in measured amounts that won’t finally attract international condemnation. Five civilians a day they can get away with, demolishing a whole school with phosphorus bombs and killing 210 children at once even the West might notice.
“I went to see the Führer at 11 o’clock, and we discussed what to do next.” sounds like a damage control meeting. Why? At that stage there could have been civil unrest (including others joining in, for killing or looting) which they could not handle. And again perception. With the slow communication of those times, it would be days before the outside world knew about it, if at all. It would look like random hooliganism. So, I’m saying, Hitler being unhappy about Kristallnacht may have been for the timing or PR angle rather than the event itself.
Just imagine, again in the current Ukrainian context — in Odessa they burned alive around 46 people and got away with claiming they did it themselves by throwing molotov cocktails. Imagine if something similar happened in 8 cities at the same time — there goes the excuse, it looks planned and they get the blame (at the VERY least for not policing it properly).
@ Kat Kan
The point is this, Hitler did not want the Jews in power, but he also did not want to create a situation of violence, the whole ‘Crystal Night’ event had nothing at all to do with him, he knew nothing of it, it was the reaction of certain party members call to retribution for the murder of a Reich official by a Jewish anti-Germany partisan. When Hitler found out about the events of that night he was furious, he wanted an orderly exit of the Jewish ‘problem’ via deportation.
What is happening in the Ukraine is nearly identical to what happened to the Germans in Danzig, where the Polish were massacring the German population forcing Hitler to invade in order to evacuate the city. This ‘invasion’ was used as the pretext for WWII. If Putin ‘invaded’ Odessa, DPR, LPR would it create a justification in the minds of the Zionist controlled west to initiate WWIII? In the age of nuclear weapons maybe not, but Russia would be made the World Pariah on par with the myth of Satan’s minion Hitler. You do know that much of the western world sees Putin as a new Hitler type figure right?
You might also be surprised to know, according to some western sources, that Crimea is in military lock down, and under strict curfew as we speak, the people there live in complete terror…..Qaddafi was also a Satan’s minion, when he wasn’t bombing his own people he was scheming new terror attacks against the free world….Nasrallah is also a Satan’s minion, he seeks to destroy Israel and help Iran wipe it off the map…..
Angelo. I am about to declare you a western troll. Seriously. “According to some sources” without even putting a link??????????
Why the heck would Crimea be under military lockdown?
Go read Colonel Cassad, he lives there and blogs very freely about what goes on. We have an excellent and reliable regular contributor on this blog, too, he’d EMAIL Saker if there was something like that going on.
What TERROR would the people be under? GET REAL,. think about what you say before you say it. “Putin is Hitler” is a MAJOR stupid TROLL meme. If that is the kind of media you read, and you have no intention of learning to be critical in your reading, what the heck are you doing on THIS BLOG? We’re doing you the courtesy of holding a proper discussion with you, and you come up with rubbish like that?
Put the LINKS and then READ what you put and see if any of it makes any sense.
You obviously don’t recognize sarcasm when you see it! Take a break Kat Kan, we are essentially on the same page as regards Ukraine, but please read that comment again in context with what I have written previously about the US and the Zionists, I thought the humor would be self evident. I know Crimea is much happier now….
Cheers
And it goes onto Google and someone finds it and takes it seriously. Some things are not funny. We see (or at least I do) the exact opposite of truth being printed every day in “reliable” places, and thousands or millions of people believe it. I don’t have time to hunt for sarcasm. Learn to put a smiley :) like that. For all I know some lying idiot HAS published something like that. That was pure troll statement and I am empowered to kill trolls. Don’t risk it, please.
It wasn’t a troll statement at all, it was tongue in cheek, I think it would be quite obvious to most readers considering what was written previous, do you not see the parallels with modern propaganda and what I’ve been describing during all these comments of what actually occurred during WWII? Crimea in lock down – Putin as the new Hitler – Nasrallah/Hezbollah as Satan’s minion’s, these ARE the western narratives, as transmitted by the Zionist run media, the same media that sells the religion of the holocaust which you so willingly accept.
I don’t have taboo research topics Kat Kan, I let the facts speak and the truth leads me where it may. Signing off for now.
Angelo
you can read this tomorrow. Read back to my earlier post., I am not “so willingly accepting” something from the zioinist media. I told you: what I know is PRE=MEDIA. Personal information from before the media came into it. Not the exact numbers, of course; nobody will ever know those. It is time to look for them though, and from the “Bolshevik terror” side, too.
Or perhaps we could start on this end, the easy end, and start insisting on correct accounting for today’s deaths from today’s atrocities. Maybe that will put an end to them, and give us a breather to dig up old documents. The witnesses are all gone now, close enough; now they can start reading diaries and letters without breach of privacy. But it needs to be done with no agenda other than factual inquiry.
Danzig was a “Free City” at the time (a protectorate of the League of Nations) not under Polish rule.They had free elections there and the nazi party actually controlled the territory with the most votes.There were no “Polish massacres” of Danzigers there.There are books in libraries printed by the League of Nations before the war about Danzig.I read one of them in our University.
As to the “Kristallnacht” events.Hitler and some other nazis were upset for three reasons.One was the bad PR in the World because of it.Two,was the reaction of the German people themselves.Most opposed it,and stood in horrified silence watching it.Some were seen crying from behind their windows seeing the roundups of Jews in the streets.And three was that all those buildings destroyed were insured by German insurance companies.And they would have to pay off on the policies.The nazis solved reason three by ordering the insurance companies to pay the claims to the German state instead of the Jewish business owners.
@ Mike 101
If they were burning lets say 4500 hundred bodies per day, and the average human body of between 120-150 lbs requires about 350-400 cubic feet of natural gas to cremate (1000 BTU/ Cu FT) or 356000 BTU at an efficiency rate of about 40% – 45% (for a crematorium of the time) it would require the equivalent of 1.6 million cubic feet of natural gas, or 1.6 billion BTU per day, or the equivalent of 569 million cubic feet of natural gas per year at just the one camp, just for the crematoriums, never mind running the munition factories. That is the equivalent of 8% of the state of Vermont’s yearly natural gas usage! And what type of fuel source where they using at the camps to run the crematoriums, can you please tell me?
The terms holocaust denial and antisemitic have little real meaning to me, what we call the Jews today are (mostly) not Semitic, and there was no planned extermination of the Jewish people where 6 million died.
I am sure you got those figures off a website somewhere. OK, if they initially take only those who can’t work, you’re talking children or sick people, so cut the weight down to 90 or 100 lbs, and even less for later starved nearly-dead ones. They did them in bulk which vastly reduces fuel needs. They did not do 4500 a day, many as you say were killed by other means in other places; he’s just saying the prime capacity was there.
Planned extermination there WAS — I gave you an approximate definition of genocide up above. They were selected on criteria (being Jewish being the major category), deprived of all belongings, deported to camps where they were overworked and underfed on purpose, the “unfit” killed. It was extermination and it was planned, efficiently and in detail, and done systematically for several years wherever they found category populations. The total dead 6 million is definitely high, it would have been half of that for all categories; not all were gassed or cremated, but then nobody ever said they were, this was only introduced half way through sorry I don’t recall the precise date.
But arguing about the exact numbers is ridiculous. It’s not a difference between 10 million or 10 individuals. It’s between 6 million or 3 million, or maybe just 2.8 million,. it is STILL genocide.
Enough of this big diversion waste of time. I hope you see a glimmer of why the Donbass people don’t want to live in one country with today’s Nazis. Dig around the internet if you want to know more about the old ones.
With all due respect Kat Kan, you are attempting to move the goal posts. I am not questioning genocide, which can be described as any number of dead in reality, what I am saying is that a Shoah of six million did not occur. Remember the Zionists floated this EXACT story and number (six million) 40 years earlier, the newspaper clippings exist, can you not understand this?
The numbers of cremated stated above are the revised lower figures, as they are currently suggested, these are what you will find as the current numbers of dead just at Auschwitz, as stated by Jewish holocaust organizations.
I am not arguing exact numbers, I am simply pointing out a lie that has been used for long term political gain, which I feel has unjustly condemned the Germans to generational guilt and reparation.
The actual Jewish dead is likely around 500,000 to 600,000, most of which occurred in the Baltic’s. Yes a terrible figure all the same, but not so much so that it should stand head and shoulders above the genocide of the Russia people under Stalin, or the German civilians under allied bombing where literally tens of millions died. There was no German extermination program, and Auschwitz could not physically process that many bodies by any stretch of the imagination, it simply was an impossibility. There was no infrastructure to do it, not even a fraction.
I think it is you who must do more research into the matter Kat Kan, and as an aside, I don’t think the BTU requirements go down for bulk processing….
Excellent reading this chain of comments. Thank you to all for your various points.
As a lay political and economics historian and student of media and propaganda, much of my personal research backs up Angelo’s conclusions…. particularly the similarities between 1939 Poland and the Donbass. In March 2014 I was sincerely worried that Putin would follow Hitler in taking the bait.
70 years of intensive holocaust propaganda is very hard to overcome, even for those that think themselves immune to it and hence are critical of everything the MSM promotes.
I am in no way glorifying Hitler or the National Socialists, nothing is EVER black and white (although hollywood and the mainstream media will tell you otherwise). There are shades of grey in ALL people, even history’s most heroic figures, Putin included.
The smoking gun for any discerning student of politics/propaganda/history is the ‘holocaust denier’ laws that pervade most countries. These laws in themselves expose the historic reality.
Didn’t Clint Eastood direct that recent American propaganda Movie glorifying wars?
Also didn’t he endorse Mit Romney as he spoke to a chair?
Exactly Markus. He is a card holding member of the us military controlled zio-hollywood propaganda syndicate. Glorifying amerikan exceptionalism. A fellow war monger. A psuedo tough guy who can only dream of being a man equal to Putin. The brainwashing of the vast majority of the amerikan populace is complete.
@ Markus,
Right you are. Here is Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair. Weeeeirdo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgj7b7hZXs
Me too! My consolation is that, what the Russians will achieve against the empire, will be for the good of all, even for those who cannot fight for themselves. President Putin is the only leader on the world stage at this moment, one of those we used to have in the West centuries ago.
Clint Eastwood is outstanding, both as an actor and as a director. The movies he directs, they’re never black &white… And there is that, the rest is landscape!
Quite pathetic that Americans when proposing a “stand up guy” can only offer up an actor of all things. Don’t you realise actors are in the business of fiction? Clint Eastwood pretends to be other people. My god americans are so bound up in a fictional televised world view that they no longer differentiate it from reality. In fact they do but they give the fiction more credence. DOH!!
The last public American with qualities like these is Clint Eastwood. Alas, the highest office he held was Mayor of Carmel, California.
That is hilarious. Eastwood, a pathetic, gutless, soulless coward, promoting both war crimes and police state fascism, promoting the worst of the American failure, has “qualities”. The sod has the “qualities” of a “charles manson”, he’s just more clever at promoting his disgusting fascism behind the Hollywood protection racket, rather than individually recruiting people to go out and murder people. Look at the support for war crimes and the police brutality that is predominant in American politics today. Eastwood has been a major PR factor facilitating this. In fact, it’s been his job all along.
Back in the early 90’s I had a lady friend of whom had a long time friendship with another family that consisted of several sisters. One of these was then a moderately successful model. She, the model, was with a couple of friends at eastwood’s restaurant in Carmel, when “the god” himself strode up them and tried to pick her up. She turned him down cold, described the freak as being in person quite a disgusting creature. All full of himself, and all ego, typical of the things pushed to the fore in zionazi Hollywood.. He was also “happily married” to Sandra Locke at that time. Apparently Locke eventually divorced “mr self-appointed lady’s man” after she got tired of multiple examples of these sorts of escapades. Eastwood is typical hypocritical Hollywood scum of the very lowest order.
Not only does he do the “hey, I’ll further your career if you bed me” scam, he screws over everybody who works for him. He also slandered those who didn’t want to work with him. His smearing of John Houston in “White Hunter Black Heart” being an example.
Earlier, the sod so messed up “The Eiger Sanction”, the author of the work specifically ridiculed his professional inadequacy in a sequel novel, Shibumi. :D
Also, remember, this is the slimeball who made “American Sniper”, glorifying US military war criminals in the same way he glorified US police abuse in his very zionazi funded “Dirty Harry” series of police state supporting film propaganda pieces.
As for eastwood’s “mayor of Carmel” stint, praising that sort of fascist pindo corruption, that’s a sick joke. Eastwood kept up the corruption in the tried and true American pie local way, the way “arnold” did it state wide. He got elected because the previous regime was pathetically corrupt, as most USA local politico scum are. Once in he was the same thing, only on steroids. Eastwood is a very good example of what is wrong with the pindo psyche. Very, very seriously wrong. And why the zios have it so easy to manipulate their pet pindos.
He’s also a mysogonist; he gave roles to Sondra Locke in 6 movies, all of them demeaning roles, playing nasty immoral women. The roles were just another way of putting her down. Then conspired with Warner Bros to not give her other work. He never married her but DID talk her into two abortions. I was happy to see her find the strength to keep away from him eventually.
He’s also a mysogonist; he gave roles to Sondra Locke in 6 movies, all of them demeaning roles, playing nasty immoral women.
No doubt, I cant think of any film the sod made that did not relegate women to some sort of negative stereotype. Women are evil, us zio-queen plugs are the way to go pretty much lays out the perverted PR the things propagate.
BT…you’re hysterical…you certainly say it like you see it….I agree.
‘Eastwood secretly agreed to reimburse the studio for any damages incurred by her films. That secret deal undermined Locke’s credibility’ – http://www.eonline.com/news/33559/eastwood-s-ex-lover-says-he-torpedoed-her-career
But he looked great in “The Eiger Sanction”. And did his own stunts.
Clint Eastwood with the same qualities of Putin? huh?
I cannot fathom Putin the Great doing this rambling/gibberish nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgj7b7hZXs
Putin is a concise and clear speaker. Serious and trustworthy. Clint Eastwood is an actor always acting and he talks gibberish in front of cameras.
“They do not understand and they talk gibberish”
–Putin speaking about American politicians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wQOVD1jwII
It would be interesting to know how much of this interview was published in Italy. Il Corriere della Sera is a regional–Milan–publication with a circulation @350,000. Putin continues to call the EU and its Outlaw dominatrix out for the situation they created, while again explaining that the Crimean people’s choice was as democratic as one can get. Hard to tell, but perhaps Putin’s getting a bit aggravated having to repeat his answers to the same questions again and again–the challenges he proposed seem to be evidence of his angst.
almost spit out my coffe at ” outlaw dominatrix “! I envision Hillary holding a whip whilst wearing a leather outfit complete with… proboscis. ** shiver **
Our dominatrix was sent to us by the French and sits in New York harbor, spiked crown and all! I’ve seen some great art depicting “Lady Liberty” as a vile, blood-drenched, perverted, pornographic vamp enticing the unknowing to their doom. I wish that statue had never been built because it more than anything fueled the twin mythical concepts of American Exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny within metropole’s popular culture. It was great to see its head lying on the beach in the first Planet of the Apes films.
il Corriere Della Sera has published the full interview with President Putin. Also the video is posted on the on line edition
Thanks John. I presume you mean in print and online, too, yes? Ah to be in Milan at a café on a bright Sunday morning!
Dear The Saker,
That is what you call a leader.
Unlike that useless cupboard hiding Harper. I think this puts Canada’s G7 position into question – how the heck did they get their place? and who is he to decide if Russia is let back in or not (not that Russia/Putin is interested)?:
http://sputniknews.com/world/20150606/1023027418.html
Its like that Abbot idiot in Australia – the way they speak to people is appalling. How VVP holds his calm and tongue is admirable – he is so above these idiots running the Western nations – none of them can hold a candle to him. Russia has been gifted with a great leader.
Rgds,
Veritas
I read this interview earlier today in Russian. Putin answering questions is a great read as always. Amazing, isn’t it, that a potitician’s interview can be such a good read?
Aren’t we lucky that we have him?
Putin will sell the rope with which westerns will hang Russia.
Billions of dollars for the regime who declared war on the “Russians”
The Russian elite continues to play along with the Kiev regime, sometimes taking a strange and inexplicable decisions in respect of the main anti-Russian outpost of Pindostan in Europe. As announced senior Vice-President of VTB Bank, Mikhail Yakunin, the financial institution intends to capitalize their foreign subsidiaries. For these purposes it is planned to spend more than $500m. The main intrigue is the presence in the list of beneficiaries of the Ukrainian subsidiaries of VTB. What financial injections from the Russian “parent” structures they can count, is still unknown. However, in the early years of the Bank’s representatives spoke about the plans of recapitalization in the amount of up to 4b UAH (about $265m at the current exchange rate). Recall that VTB, although a commercial Bank, has dominant state participation, with a controlling stake of 60.9%. Thus, if the bankers forgot about the geopolitical realities of confrontation of Russia with the West in Ukraine, their immoderate financial ardor could at any time of cooling from the Government House on Krasnopresnenskaya Embankment.
The ambiguity of the situation is exacerbated by several circumstances. First, VTB at the end of last year increased the capitalization of the Russian authorities at the expense of budgetary funds. We can assume that some of that will go to Ukraine. In other words, our taxpayers are indirectly forced to sponsor a regime whose members refer to Russians only as “Colorados” and the “quilted jackets.” Not to mention the fact that no one can be sure that in terms of the total militarization of Ukraine, the Ukrainian “daughter” of VTB’s liquidity does not “flow” in a direct way to finance the slaughter in Donbass. It is worth mentioning that the Russian budget, which was converted into a deficit, does not suffer from excess liquidity. So the amount given to VTB would support afloat the Russian economy and the living standards of its own citizens. The business motivation of the specified step is also not tenable. Last year the total losses of VTB group in Ukraine exceeded 40b roubles. And in general, to invest in pre-default, “junk-rated” Ukraine is anout as “reasonable” as investing in a “black hole.” Even the political sponsors of the Maidan regime, Pindostan and the IMF, don’t want to do it.
However, as follows from the statement of the head of VTB, Andrey Kostin, not everything is measured by money. It turns out the Russian bankers are prone to mysterious bouts of altruism against an aggressive neighbor. Kostin explained:
This important decision is made primarily for the development of our business in Ukraine and to ensure the financial stability of this country. Without a strong and reliable Russian banks, which play a dominant role in lending to Ukrainian business and the economy in general, impossible long-term and sustainable development of Ukraine.
In principle, this case could be considered as a separate kurtosis, if other companies controlled by the Russian state did not commit similar steps against Ukraine. In particular, on Jun 4, Russian energy Minister Alexander Novak said that our country may extend Ukraine a discount on gas at the expense of customs duties until the end of this year, and not just in the third quarter. Moreover, as it became known, at the end of June a decision will be made about the possibility of the Ukrainian side additional discount on gas. As a result, the price of Russian gas for Ukraine could fall below current $385.5/thousand cubic meters. This “attraction of unprecedented generosity” produces a particularly shocking impression on the background of the total amount of debt that Jun 4 was voiced by the head of the concern, Mr Miller. He explained:
The total debt of Ukraine in connection with penalties “take or pay” is today $29.477b, of which $2.604b of the debt of Ukraine for gas supplies in 2013-2014, plus penalties. $200m of the total is debt for gas supplies in the Donbass.
You should pay attention to the fact that Gazprom’s “generosity”, for some reason, does not apply to Russian consumers. Wholesale gas prices for the population will grow by 7.5% from Jul 1. In the opinion of the doctor of economic sciences Nikita Krichevsky, the recapitalization of the Ukrainian subsidiaries of VTB is a forced measure. Here follows an excerpt from our interview with him:
A: This is done to subsidiaries, according to Ukrainian legislation, revoked license. They are struggling with the implementation of regulations concerning loans. As you know, in 2014, VTB has suffered significant losses from their activities in Ukraine. However, this applies to all banks operating in Ukraine. When you have a collapsing economy, and the industrial output fell by 21% during the first three months, GDP falls when there are problems with the conversion (due to the imposed by the national Bank of Ukraine of the new rules), like it or not, you will go in minus.
Q: Why our banking business does not run out of the country, where he not only suffers continuous losses at constant attachment, but is under threat of nationalization?
A: If our banks will find a buyer for their Ukrainian assets, they will certainly be gone. In the current context “daughter” VTB to buy no one wants. And if anyone dares, they will offer a penny. If they can find a more appropriate option, our banks will leave no doubt. In the country there is no money, no economic activity, no nothing. Everything is falling apart, exchange rates, at least three.
Q: And what is inexplicable pliability of the Russian authorities in the gas issue? Gazprom provides Naftogaz one discount after another. If this does not show much zeal in terms of recovering the accumulated debt.
A: I think it’s a great policy. Namely, the desire to please the West, to support his belief in our negotiability.
But there is another view. By refusing to apply strict measures in the economic sphere in relation to Ukraine, the authorities of which hung on Russia the label of “aggressor state”, Moscow discredits itself, says Professor of international Finance international relations, doctor of economic Sciences Valentin Katasonov. Here follows an excerpt from our interview with him:
A: All our positions appear to be up for rent. The actions of our ruling elites are difficult to explain, even abstracting from the geopolitical interests of Russia, from the fact that the Ukrainian regime, on the order received from Pindostan of course, actually triggered the sanctions and the persecution of the Russian Federation, and today in a shameless way disrupts the Minsk agreement by means of continued attacks, and announces the blockade of Donbass. Moreover, recently Poroshenko signed a decree on the admission of foreign troops into the territory of “independent” Ukraine, including the temporary deployment of nuclear weapons. From my point of view, such passivity on our part, reminiscent of the notorious “silence of the lambs,” could be costly for Russia in the near future. In the summer of 2014, I talked about the fact that we need to withdraw Russian banking institutions and all Russian assets generally from the territory of Ukraine. Even then, they were under a “sword of Damocles” of nationalization. On the other hand, it was clear that Ukraine is going to default. In such circumstances, banks just can’t make a profit. The outflow of funds from bank deposits in Russia is much slower than in Ukraine.
Q: Is our authorities was not clear that the “daughter” of VTB and Sberbank will become hostages in the economic war, the objects of political manipulation?
A: It was obvious even to the layperson. In such a situation, to transfer additional funds to Ukraine in order to recapitalise is a strange decision, to put it mildly. Moreover, VTB and Sberbank last year caused a stir by taking part in the underwriting of Ukraine’s so-called “military bonds,” to finance the “ATO.” That is, in fact, they have agreed to sell to investors and to the population, the military loan bonds of Ukraine. As for capitalization, it means not just sponsoring a regime hostile to Russia but also new losses, financial losses, for the Russian banks.
Q: In expert circles there is an opinion that, thus, saved money for our entrepreneurs in Ukraine…
A: It’s hard to say who will be the main beneficiary, when the Ukrainian subsidiaries of Russian banks will have additional funds. The “Windows” Russian “daughters” will have a long line. And who will be first, second or third, it is difficult to say. I do not exclude that among them there may be individuals and legal entities associated with Russian business. But Ukrainian oligarchs will get something too, sure. Another option: a branch of Russian banks will provide loans to the Kiev regime.
Q: At what expense will be announced recapitalization?
A: It is clear, at the expense of any VTB recently received from the state a lot of money. At the beginning of the current year on a subordinated Deposit in VTB placed 100bn roubles from the NWF. It is not excluded that the Bank can also go for the recapitalization of its Ukrainian subsidiaries. So the deputies from the Communist Party are preparing legislation for the nationalization of the savings Bank.
Q: is not a state Bank, notwithstanding the legal form of OJSC? In the sense that the control packet of shares, and therefore have the final say when making decisions belongs to the state.
A: The savings Bank is an independent financial institution. Its founder and majority shareholder is the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. While the latter has independent status and is not required to report to the government. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Sberbank is going to be done in Ukraine something similar.
Q: Given that Russia is the main creditor of Kiev, which is not just threatening to charge us a penalty for joining the Crimea in the amount of $50b, and has already filed a lawsuit in the ECHR, what can explain this strange policy of forgiveness?
A: I have no choice but to shrug. Give an example, we could require from Ukraine early redemption of the bond loan for £3b in March. Because at this time the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine has published data showing that the country’s debt has crossed the “red line” spelled out in the agreement, of 70% of GDP. It is the notorious condition which gives us the right to early recovery of $3b. And we do not enjoy this right. Instead of “thank you,” we receive constant spitting from Kiev. The result fell short. Poroshenko signed a moratorium on the payment of foreign debts. And the Minister of Finance of Ukraine Natalie Jaresko says that our loan is not sovereign but private. Therefore, it is subject to restructuring. In other words, you do not need to observe the terms specified in the agreement. It is obvious that the more we make concessions, the more impudent our neighbor becomes. Apparently, our elite is the “offshore aristocracy” which is controllable from abroad. This explains the inexplicable and paradoxical initiatives that are contrary to the national interests of Russia. Instead of completely pointless to discuss the amnesty law fugitive capital, the President should only sign a decree on de-offshorisation of the Russian economy. Those who are brought their capital outside the Russian jurisdiction, given a time limit of one month for re-registration of offshore companies, which recorded these assets. Unfortunately, this is not happening.
Q: In your opinion, why?
A: This proves once again that our ruling class is paralysed by a “fifth column.” As the largest creditor of Ukraine, in our hands the future of a regime aggressively adjusted towards us. The “controlling stake” in the “corporation” which is called “Ukraine” belongs to us. And only the lack of political will in Moscow allows Ms Jaresko to negotiate debt restructuring (that is, in fact, about salvation from default) with a group of private creditors from the investment Fund Franklin Templeton. These guys own only $7b to $8b of Ukrainian debt. While we, according to conservative estimates, own tens of billions of dollars. Another thing is that these debts (including both state-owned and private companies and banks) need to be consolidated. These requirements should be transferred into the hands of the state to control them. From our President at the end of last year I heard that loans of Russian banks to Ukrainian legal entities, alone, amount to billions of dollars.
Q: Maybe our authorities come to their senses, when Europeans and Kiev will begin to arrest the assets and property of the Russian Federation abroad, as in the “case of Yukos” and the more recent actions of the ECHR in the Crimea?
A: I think that the first arrests and confiscations are not far off. Just on the eve of the G7 summit in Germany, was held a meeting of the “financial seven.” It discussed the issue of preventing the financing of terrorism. It is clear that to the cynical Western politicians, it means nothing to bring Russia under the article of “country sponsoring terrorism.” We already hung the label of “aggressor” and a threat to international security. I always repeat the formula: “there would be assets, and the article is there.” It is not only “financing of terrorism” but also “money laundering” and “corruption.”
Q: Then one can understand the passivity of the authorities. With biased position of the West, which supports the anti-Kiev regime, we still get nothing. But if to provoke an “exchange of assets”, then Russia will be in the red. Since they are not only in Ukraine but also in the Western world (and much more). But, excuse me, but why should the state (not even private) displays to the delight of potential expropriators new money? Why give the new discounts for gas?
A: It seems that Gazprom is struggling to maintain its share on the European market. And Ukraine after the EU vetoed workarounds delivery of “blue fuel” remains the main transit country of Russian gas to the countries of Central and Eastern Europe. I can assume that Alexey Miller fears of failure of the tripartite talks on gas. For continuing the flow of gas to the EU, which plays to Ukraine, our ready to make any concessions. The problem is that those who are negotiating, late all the time. Instead of steps to calculate our opponents several moves ahead, they all the time are drawn to the tail of reactive and act on the situation. And Russia remains in loss.
Byzantines,
yours is an important post – it describes the root of the problem.
It is a class war.
It is not the “Empire’s war on Russia”.
It has been obvious from the start of the troubles that the West’s main weapon is what Brzezinski mentioned “Whose elites are they? If they have $500 billion in the West, are they yours?” So Russia can’t really take a hard line unless there is a purge or some other technique to prevent a coup or destabilization.
A conference was recently held on lessons to be learnt from the war, and one of the speakers said this:
“The number of billionaires per unit of GDP. In the first place Ukraine. In second place – Russia. And only then, by a wide margin, all the rest. Name the country where salary professor – ten times less than the salary of Members of Parliament.”
With such an oligarch-dominated economy/country, it has been awfully hard for Russia to fight the Western oligarchs.
Byzantines on June 06, 2015 · at 7:45 pm UTC
Putin will sell the rope with which westerns will hang Russia.
Billions of dollars for the regime who declared war on the “Russians”
The more clever websayanim don’t just post the “Putin is is Hitler” zio-faggotry they do on zio-msn sites, they make use of the zionazi think tank rmarketing/psychological manipulation research and work, to undermine by posting long screeds of nonsense that reinforce the zionazi “Putin is Hitler” and “selling us out” nonsense, without actually making that self-exposing claim relevant beyond mere zionazi claims. This is a typical websayanim technique to subvert support for those the zionazis want to destroy.
BT again I agree with you…I read that sentence in Byzantine’s comment and looked at the length of it and thought to myself…”either this guy has an axe to grind or he’s a troll”. What a bore.
I didn’t even bother to read it!!!
Are you sure that Aglozionist really want to topples Putin?Is Putin that afraind most the Russian elit?Or the most that afraid is one” russian Hugo Chávez”and Putin is theyr tool to stop the spring of russian nation?
@BT – you haven’t addressed the point:
“Paul II on June 07, 2015 · at 3:03 am UTC
It has been obvious from the start of the troubles that the West’s main weapon is what Brzezinski mentioned “Whose elites are they? If they have $500 billion in the West, are they yours?” So Russia can’t really take a hard line unless there is a purge or some other technique to prevent a coup or destabilization.“
Too soft for my taste…
For example, when talking about Kosovo, he should have said that the so-called Albanian independence was the result of an unparalleled military aggression against a single country contrary to all the international laws, but not some decision by a terrorist-complacent so-called parliament. Moreover, the Kosovo territory was ethnically cleansed afterwards of all non-Albanians, including over 250,000 Serbs, who were never allowed to go back.
It would have been comparable to something like this: if Russia (& other 18 countries) attacked the Ukraine & bombed it for 78 days until it agreed to give up the Crimea, & then expelled all non-Russians from it — including the ever-spoken-of 250,000 Crimean Tatars. Then the Crimean parliament votes for the Crimean independence (no referendum needed!).
In other words, we [Russians] got a long way to cover to get to the point where you stand before you can throw any criticism at us so arrogantly. Yet, our actions–if you’ve noticed–suggest quite the opposite. But apparently, we’re talking into the wind!
Dear president Putin, please call a spade spade.
The link to Byzintines comment is here https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/svpressa.ru/economy/article/124341/
I thought this was a great interview but soon after reading it I also read that Russia is playing bathtub War Games with the Egyptian Navy. I understand Russia needs allies and joint exercises with the BRICS nations would be appropriate but supporting and propping up this bloody Junta reeks of the same duplicity that the West uses to support the Junta in Ukraine.
BRICS need “user friendly” and stable keeper of Suez. It is very important for China maritime silk way. Egypt junta is “lesser evil” here. Not comparable with Ukraine. But, anyway, Russia respect both junta as people elected.
You got it wrong. The egyptian government of Mr. Sissi has REMOVED the western-led junta and freed Egypt from the british “moslem brotherhood” dictatorship. It is by all means a popular government with overwhelming support of the people.
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Agreed! The world would be a better place if Byzantines would go get a real job somewhere and stop this awful trolling. Doesn’t he know that the worse he trolls with lies and distortions, the more he shows the bleeding heart of the enemy, which is filled with fear and terror because truth is winning?
The enemy has no real weapon to use except treachery. And treachery cannot live in the light.
So, Grieved, how about rebutting his arguments?
How about starting with showing us counter arguments to his comment on no of Billionaires to GDP with Ukraine No.1 followed by Russia?
Or his summation that this is not a war of East vs West but a Class War? The Economic Oligarchs against Humanity be it Eastern or Western??
Pertinant questions that should be discussed not just dismissed in a simple the poster is a Troll reply.
Spot on they are always ready to comment with long prepared scripts, repeating the same anti putin anti russian mantra.
They are both trolls and create a negative atmosphere that’s subverts discussion.
The moderators for some reason have not noticed. Look at other sites where they post especially Byzantine there is an agenda here that should not be ignored.,
I loved this interview. First, because it is a joy to hear Putin’s thinking. Second, because this can only be parsed in terms of the “information war”, so called, combined I suppose with Russia’s rapprochement with Europe, which has never ceased. I see Russia as the grand winner in this particular session. Is this the gradual prying open of doors in the EU that were pretending to be shut out of fear of the US murderous psychopath?
Sunshine emanates from this interview. I feel sorry for those who can’t see this shining light, or who because of their employment with the enemy can’t afford to write comments in favor of this light, but in either case who must strive for darkness. And it’s a shame they come here to comment. The darkness they try to bring is only their own suffering, nothing to do with the real world.
Saker team, thanks for this great interview.
I completely agree. Many, many thanks, Saker, for this important translation.
For those wishing to find something to savor in the West, may I recommend “The Russians are Coming”. In 1966 this movie was made. It received two Golden Globe awards, well deserved. These were all American actors, and certainly they goofed it up plenty in their portrayal of a Russian submarine crew. But equally, and tellingly for us, they goofed up the American side of things as well, so it is a wonderful critique of cold war aspirations, something that is behind Putin’s careful and calmly humorous demeanor. It’s a loving movie – love for the craft of comedic acting and for the underlying message of the piece.
A very bad sense of priorities, which only extreme wealth can instill in a human being, has led to the accumulation of power here in the Us of A. It is based on a belief that war is profitable, all sorts of versions of snake oil too, and the devil take the hindmost. In my mind, this false belief will be the undoing of the system built upon it, and playing for time as Putin is doing is the only sensible course of action. It frustrates those who want an excuse to ship arms, move tanks, sell snake oil. Just as all that Corexit was not unprofitably disposed of but dumped (at somebody’s profit) into the Gulf of Mexico, so too, the genetically modified crap no sane country wants has to be sold off like the student debt and all other toxic waste that should never have been manufactured in the first place. To the cry that ‘we don’t make anything any more’ the answer is, oh yes, we make stuff, but the stuff that is being made nobody in their right mind wants. It has to stop.
Again to my mind, all of these entities seeking profit where there is none should be forced to decommission, deprogram, separate out the poisons they are trying to pass off as viable products – the actual, physical stuff, as well as the financial nonsense. The factory farms should be clamped down on, broken up along with all the Too Big To Fails. We might start having a real country again.
As Us of A movies go, the cup half empty is “Citizen Kane.” The cup half full (and it’s a wonderful half) is “The Russians are Coming.” Thank you, Saker, for helping us see the Us of R. It goes without saying, enormous thanks to Vladimir Putin as well.
Yes, great and reassuring interview.
If only we had such a clear thinker and voice of reason in DC.
Katherine
How many western political leaders would be able to provide this sort of detailed information in an interview? This shows the difference between between the zionazi quislings in the west (gay zionists “where’s the party” mostly), who barely can count the number of toes they have, when quizzed, and the leadership in Russia. One doesn’t have to agree with everything Putin says, but it is obvious the man is no western leader type and is a man who actually does his homework.
Ralph Nader. But then he’s Lebanese. Only politician I tried to get elected president. Ross Perot and Ron Paul also knew how to use their brains. But those sorts of independent men are by definition anathema to the Deep State. Bernie Sanders has wisdom and I believe is unafraid, but will he be able to break through the media blackout? But these are all old men. Elizabeth Warren is the best of the younger true progressives. If Rand Paul wasn’t so mixed up, he could become the leader of a Populist movement. The elections are in 17 months; a lot can happen–Biden might become president then run for it himself.
Here’s a link to a review of yesterday’s Sanders’s political rally that will give those unexposed to him an idea of what he’s about, http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/06/07/sanders-call-political-revolution-about-mass-movement-not-me
Please note the several truisms he mentions about the political realities within the Metropole. Also note the jaded comments from people afflicted with anomie. While international pressure is helpful, ultimately the Outlaw Empire can only be defeated from within by its own citizenry–a state of affairs that’s existed since the 1880s.
So you think having an Israeli citizen, Bernie Sanders, as our president is a great idea or that ‘Bomb Iran’ Lizzie Warren will lead us to the Peoples Paradise? Depending on the simplistic ‘ Cult of the Leader’ who will save us myth just leads us further into the black hole of anomie.
Good questions and great answers…
I can’t think of any other world leader able to give such detailed and concise answers to unscripted questions. This isn’t the first interview he has given that has impressed me. The only one that comes close would be Ron Paul, but unfortunatly he is retired now. I wonder what Putin’s IQ is?
A lot of people on another site are saying that Putin is weak, self serving. On the question of the Crimea scenario a commentator sees him as “He means it was a one off (helping Crimea), and now he’s crawling in the dirt like a worm for forgiveness from the West. Sickening!”
A lot of people think he has ‘sold out’ to the West and is trying to be appeasing. What are others thoughts.
I personally think Putin is saying one thing in public to be diplomatic and thinks another in private and will help the people of Donbass when push comes to shove – or I hope he will step up to the plate even if it means total devastation sadly.
It is very confusing. Why call the US partners and allies. They hate you and Russia and want to see your total destruction. Does he get that at all?
Putin has been consistent in all his statements on this crisis.
Those that think otherwise can’t read.
What is putin supposed to call US and the west? He is a president not a street thug.
It is interesting how many methods are employed to distort people’s thinking create anti putin atmosphere.
The neo cons will have many people joining their side without thinking.
He’s been consistent all right – just like the Grand Old Duke of York (Duma, Duma – give me the power…no, no I meant I don’t want the power):
Oh, The grand old Duke of York,
He had ten thousand men;
He marched them up to the top of the hill,
And he marched them down again.
And when they were up, they were up,
And when they were down, they were down,
And when they were only half-way up,
They were neither up nor down”
It’s a f’ing class war.
What does not make any sense, and never has, is Putin’s consistent argument that Russia and the US share the same fight against terror. The entire war on terror is a grand illusion, terrorism itself is very real and it is funded and organized in large part from Langley. I cannot comprehend Putin’s constant reference to the shared war on terror, its one of those sticking points that seriously makes me question his true position. Afghanistan is right on his doorstep, does Putin not recognize that the US army is basically a huge drug running operation there? Opium production is at record levels, how is that? Putin has already stated that the US provided assistance to Chechen radicals, yet he plays like they are working together to fight terror….Something is very amiss.
@ Angelo
A few years back my car broke down, the bearings were completely gone, etc. Before actually replacing the damn parts, I drove the screeching thing “as is” for a few days, making light of the situation by saying to a friend of mine: “You see, if I now treat the car gently, with compassion and understanding, the car will eventually respond with good will – and heal entirely all by itself!”
I was kidding, of course. The problem with Putin is that he believes it…
Mich,
“They hate you and Russia and want to see your total destruction. Does he get that at all?”
Who (or what?) are you refering to in that sentence as ‘They’ ?
In a way he (Putin) is speaking for the Russian people, (he has said as much)
but as in Ukraine, he is speaking to the non-committed propagandised
ordinary folk.
In my view he is also speaking to ordinary peope in the USA and the west
as well.
The ‘message’ is multi layered, He probably knows full well that the
government types AND THEIR HANDLERS will only listen in order to
try to gain some short term ‘advantage’.
Whereas his stragedy, as far as I can discern it, is long term. It is stated
for all to see in his speeches and definately in the commentaries
and analyses all over the place, except of course the usual BS
media.
PEACE
Putin is a trained lawyer. Like any lawyer doing his job, everything he says in public is carefully calculated. He is trained to know exactly what effect his words will create. It’s lawyer stuff. Any lawyers out there who can explain his public rhetoric better to the readers?
Great interview by V.V.P.also the eastwood interlude was very entertaining,.Thanks to all concerned.
I wonder when the Russians will rehabilitate the Volga Republic. Throughout history, Russia benefitted most from its German immigrants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNz0J4oNvM
Putin speaks softly and carries a big stick. Someday, his face will adorn Mt. Russiamore.
When the russian leader repeatedly praised God in his speech , in the supposedly ‘communist’ country and evil nation …. and the western leaders all indulged in atheism , materialism and perversions , then i know we are at the end of the world … the end times is here..
The time of america’s judgment is near , and the foolish american Christians all asleep at the watchtowers , lulled by the riches and hedonistic living in america…
Revelation 18
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
7 Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;[c]
I will never mourn.’
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
addenum :
America have been riding the ‘christian’ thing as if it is a true Christian Country.. in fact, it is using the ‘christianity’ as their public face / mask.. in fact it served the opposite / the anti christ , which we all nowadays beginning to see the mask of false christianity slipping and we got the glimpse of the real face of america behind the mask…
a nation created from genocide and thievery of native lands , a greedy insatiable nation , the hindermost nation , the little horn that boasted, where every merchant in the world sold their products to ..
i began to wonder did american christians never open the bible ? so many verse in bible indicates that america is the babylon of the last days… which in one hour and one day will be destroyed by fire..
“For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans (New Babylon), THAT BITTER AND HASTY NATION, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not their’s
(Habakkuk 1:6)”.
“And BABYLON, THE GLORY OF KINGDOMS, the beauty of the Chaldee’s excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19).”
“Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: BEHOLD, THE HINDER-MOST OF THE NATIONS shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.” Jeremiah 50:12
“Babylon hath been a GOLDEN CUP IN THE LORD’S HAND, that made all the earth drunken:
the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.” (Jeremiah 51:7)
“How is THE HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! (Jeremiah 50:23).”
http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2009/01/our-american-babylon
“To the God who marks every sparrow that falls, everything matters. God is infinite and his capacity for concern is inexhaustible. To propose that He cares more about one people than another is both unseemly and theologically incoherent. To God .. the Kingdom of Denmark “matters” as much as the United States of America. ” American Exceptionalism and delusions
@ Kat Kan
Concerning your “… The scientists all went to the USA, the spies and enforcers to USA and Canada and UK …” in an earlier post.
It is true that at the end of WWII very many members of the German Nazi establishment got “adopted” by the U.S. government – in particular the core of Nazi intelligence services, as well as scientists, and others. The ensuing “Cold War” definitely took precedence over other considerations, but Americans being quite “pragmatic”* people, this was quite normal for them.
One might find paradoxic the fact that on one hand the U.S. has nurtured Nazis, while on the other we see its Jewry dominating all the important aspects of its public life – all three branches of the government, academia, financial institutions, corporations. The very tenses used in the preceding sentence might perhaps provide a partial resolution, namely, that the first occurred at an earlier period, while the second is a more recent phenomenon, the blurred time divide being somewhere at the dissolution of USSR. My own long observation from within the academia (concerning this second, at least) seems to be in accord with that interpretation.
Add to this the fact that Nazis and the Jews appear to be getting along quite nicely ruling today’s Kiev. With America’s blessing, of course.
—
[* The term signifies far more than just being practical. Ultimately a reflection of America’s exceedingly narrow roots in “business”, “pragmatism” has been identified by their philosopher William James, and can be very roughly described as a world-view where the truth itself is defined as “whatever works in practice”. Contrary to popular belief, it is classified as an idealistic, not materialistic philosophy. An observant continental European newcomer would perceive it as a certain general detachment from reality of the indigenes, that they do not have their feet quite firmly planted on the ground.]
Interview with Putin was well done.
The debates about no holocaust, yes there was a holocaust; seems rather silly.
My father fought on the Southern Front, two weeks after 22 June 1941.
The division that he was in, was courageously competent.
Stalin renamed it: The 5th Guards Attack (Shock) Army group.
Later in 1941, they were transferred to the front-line defence of Moscow.
After the Wehrmacht was stopped at Moscow, this army group was transferred to the South. To the Kharkov defence-line.
Here the Soviets were badly defeated.
Father, a junior officer was captured. Immediately he removed all officer insignia.
Each day in the POW camp (nothing like Stalag 17), men were lined up on raised platforms, and had to drop their trousers.
All circumcised men were taken away. It didn’t matter if the person was a Muslim, or had the procedure for medical reasons. All were taken away, and executed.
This happened every day.
Father knew that due to harsh treatment, starvation diet; that he would die there unless he escaped.
On the seventh night, he crawled through the rows of barbed wire, eluding the search lights, and then ran non-stop for hours.
He headed for home. Which was 1,000 kilometres to the South.
It took him 3 months, walking at night, through enemy-occupied territory, to reach home. It was also occupied.
His father had been a White Guards Colonel, executed in 1929, when Stalin decided to rid the country of old-order engineers and officers.
The execution documents saved my father and his family.
They were permitted to become refugees, moving West.
Father died in late-2010. He was almost 91.
After the war he continually suffered from PTSD (which he never consciously realised).
Part of which were the very strong feelings of guilt for having survived.
All his Army friends died during the war.
He, and they, were sappers. People with short life-spans in wartime conditions.
Jews, Roma & “sub-human” Slavs were killed in POW camps and extermination camps, such as Auschwitz II–Birkenau. Some survived in Auschwitz III, the I.G. Farben camp.
Soviet Bolsheviks were a cruel murderous lot. Killed tens of millions.
Nazi Germans, and their cohorts, killed tens of millions.
Today, Galician Nazis want to kill their “perceived” enemies.
Don’t understand how today’s Polish people can forgive the Western Ukrainians for murdering 100,000 Poles in Volhynia during WWII.
As Australia’s greatest folk-hero, Ned Kelly, said: “Such is life.”
@T2015 on June 07, 2015 · at 9:38 am UTC wrote the following nonsense:
“You got it wrong. The egyptian government of Mr. Sissi has REMOVED the western-led junta and freed Egypt from the british “moslem brotherhood” dictatorship. It is by all means a popular government with overwhelming support of the people”
Clearly Mr.T2015, u know as much about what happened in Egypt as u do about WWII, Stalinism, NS, etc.
Just to be clear; I absolutely dislike the Moslem brotherhood and know where they come from. Having said that, they WON the elections in Egypt without a shadow of doubt. A coup backed by the nice people of Saudi Arabia, the pre-iron age kingdom of nihilism, overthrew Morsi and installed Sissi(what a name!) in power. Needless to say, KSA does not like the moslem brothers. So now Egypt has a secular dictator backed by the wahaabis of the KSA and NO, SIssi does not enjoy the majority support.
@Angelo
Great posts Angelo, you are clearly well informed, contrary to the many brainwashed self-righteous fools who have attacked you in this thread. Thank you for your courage to speak out.
I should add that I’ve seen in this space(Mr.Sakers blog) amongst others(including alternative leftist/liberal western ones) all manner of spin to whitewash, downplay or justify the numerous and much more well documented crimes, a lot of it commited during peacetime, by the Lenin/Stalin regimes. Colonel General Dmitri Volkogonov, Stalins biographer, states Stalin was a ‘monster’ with no equal in history.
Your detractors do nothing but repeat the tired old lies about the alleged holocau$t – which is shielded from scrutiny by police and law in many countries – to the tired old lies about WWII, that is; the victors version of it. They are such fanatics they cannot even understand the old adage that correctly states history is written by the victors, obviously used to advance their agenda.
This, btw, advancing what he perceives as the best for Russia is the reason Putin – and I like him a lot, great statesman who towers above the teleprompter reader in DC and his euro vassals – continues to promote WWII lies and downplay the crimes of the Lenin/Stalin era.
More on that later.
Regarding the holocaust, despite being under terrible censorship, holocaust revisionist researchers have already completely defeated the official dossier at the intellectual level. This remains unknown only bc of said censorship.
One of the first revisionist pioneers was the leftist Frenchman Paul Rassinier, who helped create a resistence movement during wwii and also helped Jews. He ended up arrested by the Gestapo in 43 and spent the rest of the war in the concentration camps of Buchenwald and Dora, where he nearly perished. Disturbed by the many lies told re the camps he began to investigate more deeply and wrote several articles and books on the subject. He stated: “With regard to gas chambers, the almost endless procession of false witnesses and of falsified documents to which I have invited the reader’s attention during this long study, proves, nevertheless, only one thing: never at any moment did the responsible authorities of the Third Reich intend to order — or, in fact, order — the extermination of the Jews in this or any other manner. Did such exterminations take place without orders? This question has haunted me for 15 years.”
Since then much more research, carried out under the most difficult conditions, have pretty much torn the centerpiece of the holo – the gas chamber myth – to pieces. There were no ‘extermination camps’, there were concentration camps, transit camps, forced labor camps, etc.
If the Nazis had actually been trying to kill every Jew in Europe, why are there so many “survivors”? Israeli demographer Sergio Della Pergola wrote in his report to the Israeli government there were still 1,092,000 of them alive in 2003!!
For those simpletons who believe the so called holocaust is so very well documented, let’s take a look at a few points mentioned by Dr.R.Faurisson during the conference which took place in Teheran, 06:
– In 1951 the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)\.
– In 1960 Martin Broszat, a member of the Institute of Contemporary History in Munich, wrote: “Neither at Dachau, nor at Bergen-Belsen, nor at Buchenwald were any Jews or other detainees gassed” (“Keine Vergasung in Dachau”, Die Zeit, August 19, 1960, p. 16)\.
Remark: This sudden and unexplained concession is significant. At the Nuremberg trial the only homicidal gas chamber that the accusation ventured to show in a film had been that of Dachau, and the testimonies telling of alleged homicidal gassings in the three above-mentioned camps had been numerous. M. Broszat thus implicitly acknowledged that those testimonies were false. He did not tell us in what respect they were false. Nor did he tell us in what respect other such testimonies relating, for example, to Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka, Sobibor or Belzec should, for their part, go on being deemed reliable.
– In 1968 the Jewish historian Olga Wormser-Migot, in her thesis on Le Système concentrationnaire nazi, 1933-1945, (Paris, Presses universitaires de France), gave an ample exposition of what she called “the problem of the gas chambers” (p. 541-544). She voiced her scepticism as to the worth of some well-known witnesses’ accounts attesting to the existence of gas chambers in camps such as Mauthausen or Ravensbrück. On Auschwitz-I she was categorical: that camp where, still today, tourists visit an alleged gas chamber was, in reality, “without any gas chamber” (p. 157)\.
– In August 1986 Michel de Boüard, himself deported during the war as a résistant, professor of history and Dean of letters at the University of Caen (Normandy), member of the Institut de France and former head of the Commission d’histoire de la déportation within the official Comité d’histoire de la deuxième guerre mondiale, declared that, all told, “the dossier is rotten”. He specified that the dossier in question, that of the history of the German concentration camp system, was “rotten” due to, in his own words, “a huge amount of made-up stories, inaccuracies stubbornly repeated — particularly where numbers are concerned — amalgamations and generalisations”. Alluding to the revisionists’ studies, he added that there were “on the other side, very carefully done critical studies demonstrating the inanity of those exaggerations” (Ouest-France of August 2nd and 3rd, 1986, p. 6)\.
– In 1988 Arno Mayer, an American professor of Jewish origin teaching contemporary European history at Princeton University, wrote on the subject of the Nazi gas chambers: “Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable” (The “Final Solution” in History, New York, Pantheon Books, p. 362)\.
– In 1996 the leftwing French historian Jacques Baynac, a staunch antirevisionist since 1978, ended up admitting, after due consideration, that there was no evidence of the Nazi gas chambers’ existence. One could not fail to note, wrote Baynac, “the absence of documents, traces or other material evidence” (Le Nouveau Quotidien de Lausanne [Switzerland], September 2, 1996, p. 16, and September 3, 1996, p. 14). But he said that he carried on believing in the existence of those magical gas chambers\.
Remark: All in all, J. Baynac says: “There is no evidence but I believe”, whereas a revisionist thinks: “There is no evidence, therefore I refuse to believe and it is my duty to dispute.”
– In 2000, at the end of her book Histoire du négationnisme en France (Paris, Gallimard), Valérie Igounet published a long text by Jean-Claude Pressac at the end of which the latter, who had been one of the revisionists’ most determined opponents, signed a veritable act of surrender. In effect, taking up the words of professor Michel de Boüard, he stated that the dossier on the concentration camp system was “rotten”, and irremediably so. He wrote asking: “Can things be put back on an even keel?” and answered: “It is too late”. He added: “The current form, albeit triumphant, of the presentation of the camp universe is doomed”. He finished by surmising that everything that had been invented around sufferings all too real was bound “for the rubbish bins of history” (p. 651-652).
Read the entire article here:
http://codoh.com/library/document/99/
Some more from P.Grubach:
However the ‘testimony’ of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss, who was tortured, has been described by holo bigwig C.browning[in a footnote] as unreliable.
In fact his confession is pure nonsense and has so been demonstrated.
Two good books to begin to understand what the ‘other’ side has been saying, the holocaust revisionists, would be:
-Lectures on the Holocaust—Controversial Issues Cross Examined
Can be even downloaded for free:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15
The Gas Chamber of Sherlock Holmes: And Other Writings on the Holocaust, Revisionism, and Historical Understanding
http://www.amazon.com/The-Chamber-Sherlock-Holmes-Understanding/dp/1616583479